The Blazor Show Thursday 03/20/2025

News, Politics, Sports

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Oh wow wow.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Greetings episode for Glazier this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the cloudy and very chile first day of
spring in central Ohio. It's how it always goes, isn't it.
Forty four is not much of a high temperature, but
that's where we are right now. The number eight two
one nine eight eighty six a two one WTV. And
if you feel compelled to jump in at any point,
feel free to do so. And if I can get
you on the air with me, I most definitely will.

(00:33):
A whole bunch of stuff to cover today. I mean,
you got to cram it all in there to the
next few hours, and I'm going to do my best
to do that for you. Something I missed earlier today,
well it wasn't out there when I was trying to
put things together. But Columbus suing the Trump administration or
jumping in on a lawsuit with other municipalities, I guess
that are suing the Trump administration and because they're being

(00:54):
denied some money. Ohio Department of Natural Resources and notified
the city that they were not going to be able
to provide a grand a half million dollar grand for
the all important work of working on the tree canopies
around the city. I'm sorry, I'm just I'm pausing there
so that everyone with a big giant crater in front

(01:14):
of their house in the City of Columbus right now,
where they haven't patched a pothole can laugh about the
lawsuit over the tree canopies. Just saying food pantry. I
was brought across last night. Somebody said, hey, this food
pantry needs some help. The city and the county are
not responding and funding, and they're scared after all these years,
they're going to have to close their doors.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
But you know, we got the tree canopies, man.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Priorities, priorities, priorities, and of course the semi factor.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
We once again, City of Columbus has to you.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Know, jump in there and make it look like they are,
you know, more than the City of Columbus, more than
more than just you know, a town always trying to
make themselves prominent by by looking as if they actually
have some place in the national news cosmos. I've been

(02:09):
ever since they, you know, the city jumped in and said, well,
you we won't allow city travel to Arizona or that
whole Arizona deportation thing and just be Columbus. Just be Columbus.
Can we not do that? Is that such a problem
to just be Columbus? Be a really good Columbus, But
just be Columbus. That's all I'm asking. A member of

(02:33):
Congress disappear, Zach, Did you hear about this? A member
Congress disappeared just and was gone, and nobody apparently noticed,
including the like twenty five hundred people in the the
DC Press corpt. Nobody noticed.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, I know, I've been reading about it right before
we got on the air.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's a bit it's a bit ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's a sad, sad situation, to paraphrase Elton John. But this,
this member of Congress from Texas apparently was suffering from
the effects of dementia and and stopped showing up. The

(03:15):
publication that brought this out, the Dallas Express. They've got
about ten people on staff. It's the website down there
in Texas, about ten people on staff. The Press Corp
In DC didn't catch it, but the Dallas Express caught it. Now,

(03:35):
this is this is a very odd story. Follow me here, Okay,
this well known, you know, recognized leader in Congress. They
call her one of the most powerful GOP members in
the Congress went home, you know that they take their

(04:01):
little breaks, went home and just didn't come back. There
wasn't enough to go on except for the fact that
she wasn't there. So the idea carried over was winter.
Idea carried over into the new year. And these folks
at this little website down there in Texas started investigating more.

(04:27):
They were able to reach the Fort Worth Republican Party
to get the story, and the guy who runs a
website said, yeah, I checked in. I called. I saw
that she hadn't cast a vote since early July. What followed,
according to this guy, was what he called journalistic shoe leather.

(04:50):
He actually just went to work and acted like a
reporter in order to get the story. And Granger, by
the way, is the congresswoman's name. Found the office in
the district that she had all but abandoned, something they
confirmed to the property manager. He said, I started making

(05:11):
some calls. Sure enough, we were tipped off about where
she was. The tip for months she had been living
in an assisted living facility in Texas that also includes
memory care. So they sent a reporter out to this
facility and they said, we fully expected him just basically

(05:32):
escort him out, but no, they sent a representative out
and they acknowledged it. This story broke in December, shortly
after or shortly before Granger's long planned retirement. It was
confirmed several days later by her son, who acknowledged dementia
issues in an interview he did with the Dallas Morning News.
As the news ricochet around the political world, a Texas

(05:54):
website with an editorial staff of ten was credited with
this massive scoop, giving that the US Capital is one
of the few buildings in America were reporting Corps has
been totally hasn't been totally devastated. It was a confounding miss.
The Congresswoman Granger of Texas, missing for months, was found.

(06:19):
They had a little event where she came back last November.
Wasn't to vote or do anything congressional. It was a
little by bye event for her and Mike Johnson spoke
at this event. Stee Scalise spoke at this event. Democrat
Rosa Delaro, and Nita Lowie or maybe it's Lowi spoke

(06:43):
at this event. Nobody mentioned anything about about Granger not
being there for months, still an elected official, she had
reappeared for not for an important vote for this sendoff. Now,
this isn't this isn't Doge material, This isn't billions of

(07:06):
dollars being you know, spent covertly. This isn't slush funds,
This isn't kickbacks, bribery, nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
This is just about people being people.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And if if the entire Congress and the entire Press
Corps can allow a member to just disappear without somebody noticing,
saying something, doing something seriously, that raises an eyebrow about

(07:41):
everything I thought about Washington, DC. I mean, there's a
lot of stuff there. I don't like, a lot of
people I don't like, but I didn't think they were stupid.
I'm a little flabbergasted by if somebody in this building
wasn't here for months. I think I think at least
one person in the building would notice. I've got social

(08:05):
media people. If they reply to stuff, or their commenting
on stuff, or they post on stuff, and then suddenly
they're gone.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I notice.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I used to have some callers that just stopped calling disappeared.
I don't a guy named Percy. Percy used to call
me all the time and personally was hard to unstam
Whenna call because he had to unstam. But I still
always enjoyed talking to the guy, and he used to
because of the way I am. He used to call

(08:36):
all Chuck, you Capital America, Man, Capital America.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
And Percy just disappeared.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Cade used to call what I was working nights here
at WTVN many years ago.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
He was from my French Guyana, I believe it was.
And we used to, you know, play around with French
crap while we were It was fun. Kate disappeared. I
noticed this stuff, and these are just phone callers on
a radio show and social media presence. I noticed this.
How can you not notice a missing member of Congress?

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Zach?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
If you wake up in the morning and you look
in bed and you notice you're not there, won't you notice?

Speaker 4 (09:18):
I would imagine, so, yeah, hey, I'm looking.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Where'd I go?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I don't say, I just I'm kind of speechless about
this story because I don't even know what to think
about this being able to happen. You hear stories now
and then about you know, an elderly person or whatever
passing away and they didn't have family, they didn't have friends,
Nobody goes to check on them, and they're sitting in
a chair in their apartment for months before the mailman
bothers to go, hey, that's too much mail, stack it up. Okay, okay,

(09:47):
that's tragic, but at least it makes sense. How does
a member of Congress disappear and nobody notices? I don't
get it.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I would imagine they're does she not have an assistant?
Or I figured her son or somebody would go, hey,
we might be retiring, or is there something they were
trying to hide.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm not saying anything. It's just there's so much there
to try to dissect. It's impossible.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm yeah, I'm a little.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's just bizarre. It's yeah, it's hard to grasp this story.
It really is a couple of days ago. Was it
a couple of days? Or yesterday over on my beloved
West Side where the Brings Trump got robbed, That was
a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Was it a couple of days?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Now they've got pictures, security camera pictures now from the
carry out. The guy was in the carry out before
he robbed the Brings truck. Yeah, dude, just turn yourself in.
This is like your senior portrait. There's no way there's
no way. Somebody's not going to look at it and go,
oh yeah, I know him, A very very good, clear

(10:50):
picture of the guy. I don't know why it took
them two days to get it out there, but i'll
tell you the cajones on top of the stoopidity to do.
When's the last time you heard about an armored truck
getting robbed? It's been a long time. And I don't
know if he took more than one bag or not.
It may have just been one bag of cash, but

(11:11):
still still, that's a lot. State of Minnesota state senator
resigning amid allegations involving some kind of undercover operation and
and and prostitution.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Man.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
People come on, and this teacher that Zach sent me
this morning out of Indiana, who once again defies my
theory about good looking female teachers, because the last two
Zach has sent me have not.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Fit that bill one of them.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I know.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I know I'm not much to look at, but buddy.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I would look at you before I looked at this one.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay, fair, do you have that in front of you
because I don't have the I don't have her name
here in front of me, but she's she was a teacher.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
And here's what she's accused of doing.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
She's accused of having forcing these teen boys to have
a group relations with her while wearing Halloween masks. And oh,
I'm not done yet. It gets weirder. And she also

(12:18):
had charges already coming against her because she had a
woman who was living with her that she was allegedly
helping get back on her feet, who had a young son,
and she was buying the young son all kinds of gifts,
and he said that she was giving him shrooms and
weed and having him drink and and so there were

(12:38):
charges pending because of that, and now there's I think
ten more charges because of the kids in the class,
if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, Britney Fortonberry.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Forton Berry, she forced him to wear scream masks.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
If you've ever seen those movies.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
If I was having relations with her, I might look
like that without the mask. I'm just saying, she's not here.
Is the dumbest part of this whole story. When confronted
with her actions, this woman does not say I am.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Sorry, I did it.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I apologize for doing it. It was you know what
she and you know what? She says, She's sorry she
lost all that weight because apparently she says, I wouldn't
have done this if I still had one hundred and
fifty pounds on me. Really, I lost weight, So I'm

(13:35):
a pervert.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Really does weight gain and weight loss have anything to
do with being a perfect.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I'm about to find out. Oh my gosh, No, that's craziness.
She's blaming her perversion, her nastiness, her abuse of these
children on losing weight.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
We are so so very missed Boris.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
And the Mark Blazer Show on sixty ten WTVN.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Three thirty eight Chick that was in four Blazer this afternoon,
my number eight two one nine eight eighty six eight
two one WTV. And you know, sometimes you don't need
scientific evidence, you don't need surveys, you don't need government
grants funding programs at universities. You just look look at
what's in front of you and you come to your
own conclusions. ABC six First Warning Weather Chief Meteorologist Marshall

(14:30):
McPeak has returned and it's cold there you have.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
It back to you, I see you, How are you?

Speaker 5 (14:38):
Ugh?

Speaker 7 (14:39):
It has it has been a wild first day of spring.
What is happening? It's supposed to be Chuck Douglas weather
out there now.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
It was until spring arrived.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
Yeah, so we were in the seventies yesterday. Our high
is going to go into the books for today as
like sixty two to sixty four because that's about where
we were at midnight, and it hasn't been nearly that
warm all day, so the temperatures were falling overnight, but
that becomes the high for the day. So this afternoon
we've spent most of it in the forties. The wind

(15:12):
has really not been helpful, and now we're gonna drop
to twenty nine for the overnight load tonight, which, to
be perfectly honest, is not that far off average, but
there it is.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Though it's very Unamerican.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
It's just so unpatriotic.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Twying to me from the soil right now. You're freaking
me out, man, because they don't know what to do.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
Well.

Speaker 7 (15:33):
So I noticed there was like random daffodil leaves coming
up in the yard. I'm like, Okay, did the squirrels
transplant that somewhere? Did they like dig it up from
somewhere and like move it over here?

Speaker 6 (15:47):
But yeah, the dafts are up. We've got some areas
that have flowers already.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I hope it's cold now until it gets warm finally,
because if we do this up and down stuff, we're
gonna end up losing a lot of flowers in the
gardens that look tear will come, you know, April.

Speaker 7 (16:02):
So I worry about my magnolia tree, right, I mean,
they get zapped really early, so you know, if they're lucky,
it'll warm up a little bit and they bloom and
they're gorgeous and it's fantastic. But in the last six
eight years it's really been. It blooms, it's gorgeous, it's fantastic,
zap and it lasts for like two days and it's

(16:23):
they're gone.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
They get they get done by the frost.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
So this week we have a couple of days that
are probably going to be cold enough that your dafts
and and if your tulips are up, they'll be fine.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
They can deal with this. The crocus can deal with this.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
We have not seen any reports of Forsythia blooming yet,
which is a little surprising given how warm it's been.
But you know, we're still waiting for that to happen.
And the three signific the three snows after that, so
that's still on the calendar. Twenty nine overnight tonight. We
need fifty three tomorrow and then fifty two on Saturday.

(17:00):
Saturday looks like we can have a few showers in
the morning, the afternoon looks okay, and rain on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Marshall, I appreciate you. I'm not joking about that. Forsythia's acts.
But make a note, see we can get a Forcythia
for Channel six. Put it out in front of the building,
because hey, they've got the Oscary camera. They had to
have a Forsythia camera too. I'm just saying we are
at forty five right now at Georgevere weather Station, News
radio six ten WTV, and whether it is powered by
the basement, doctor, I empowered by nothing but caffee. And

(17:25):
that's that's really all I need. City of Columbus, last
few days, that man, we've been a kind of a circus.
We've had two police officers injured in two different traffic
accidents over the last three days. We had a shooting
of a kid on Dana Avenue and Franklinton had a
shooting of a kid on Dresden Street up there in
the in the London area. We had a what was
it a stabbing in southwest Columbus. We had somebody drove

(17:49):
themselves into the hospital over night last night, dubbed and shot,
but don't have any idea where they were shot, what happened,
or what the story is there. And I'm sure you
know this all happened with weapons use in thirty round magazines,
because that's what Columbus doesn't like.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
However, there is as much as.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I make fun of the stupidity of that law, there
is a hole in a gun law which I believe
is specific to the city of Columbus. Just made aware
of it today, and I'm actually in favor of toughening
this one up. The host of on Target from LPD
Firearms Arrange every Saturday at noon is Eric Delbert. Eric's

(18:28):
joining me right now on the Legacy Retirement Group dot
com phone lines. And Eric, when you told me about this,
I thought, well, how the heck did they miss this?

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Well check we say that, well, glad to be with
you and glad to talk to you. But I mean,
it seems so often that we say just that, how
do they miss it? Partly because they don't have people
that are Second Amendment supporters and so forth in the
conversations when these things get put into place, and so
this one we kind of stumbled upon it ourselves and

(18:56):
talking to some officers and some detective with CPD. There
is something that can be done that's just not being
done at the moment.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
The law as it stands right now requires that you
or me or Zach as the father or our mates
as the mother, if we have a firearm, we must
keep it secured in the home and away from the children.

Speaker 9 (19:20):
So what kind of came about is this is kind
of wrapped into the thirty round magazine band proposal that
got put into place last year and then has by
a judge has been put on delay because of an injunction.
The conversation got restarted because last week the Supreme Court
heard some arguments around this, and so one of the

(19:43):
things that came out of that was this negligent storage
of firearms that was put in this law. And so
it's not in place today. But this is what the
city of Columbus would like and the way it reads,
and this is why the lawful gun owners are so
up in arms about it, is that it reads that
no person should negligently store or leave a fire firearm

(20:04):
in a manner or location in the person's residence where
the person knows that it's reasonable to believe a minor
mind have access to it. So to you and I,
that's kind of common sense, safe responsible gun owners, We're
going to lock that firearm up if it's not in
our immediate possession. But the City of Columbus wanted to
put this out there and as a statue as a law.

(20:27):
The problem is is that when you read this, a
good lawful gun owner who maybe has taught his or
her children to be safe, responsible gun owners themselves, if
an officer was at a residence and maybe saw an
unsecured firearm and knew there was children in the house,
they could be charged with negligently you know, not having

(20:48):
that firearm stored, even though nothing ever happened. When we
checked into it a little bit more, we discovered that
the Ohio on endangering children and this is where you
really want to go after some of these parents and
people who will leave a gun around and the charge
children harm themselves. It's missing something And that's when I

(21:12):
was mentioning it to today. The way the state statue
reads today is it says no person who is a
parent guardian or custodian can do something to harm children.
And what's happening, And this is where when I talk
to detectives. Is like in the city of Columbus and
in the suburbs, when when a boyfriend, for instance, goes

(21:35):
over to you know, girlfriend's house, leaves the firearm out,
a child takes that firearm and does harm to himself
or to someone else, they can't charge them with endangering
children because that boyfriend is legally not the parent or
the guardian. That's the part of the law that needs changed,
because then we have some teeth to be able to go.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
After these people.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
And then Columbus, in their attempt to clean that up,
go back to the Columbus version which is on hiatus
right now while they work this out in court. But
the Columbus language to and do this slowly because I'm
going to pick this apart on two different ocasions too.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
So the Columbus language as a reason ALWA says, no
person shall negligently store or leave a firearm in a
manner or location in the person's residence.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Stop.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
What about in my car? What about in my garage?
What about in the backyard? What about the maintaining that
the residence only is protected under this ordinance is stupid.

Speaker 9 (22:32):
Go ahead, Well, exactly, it says where the person knows
or reasonably should know, a miner is able to gain
access to the firearm. So the other part is is
as it's written in the Columbus law, it's only a
misdemeanor of the fourth degree if something shall happen the
endangering Children's statue, if that was changed to cover some

(22:56):
of these other cases, like we think it should, it's
a misdemeanor of the first degree. It has a little
more impact, and we should be able to go back
and charge you know, a boyfriend if they left the
firearm around, or whoever the case may be, a friend visiting.
You know, in today's environment, they can't charge that person
for endangering children. And that's what the detectives oftentimes are

(23:19):
frustrated about.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
It's it's kind of sad that.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I hate to use the word stupid, but you almost
have to be stupid here, you and I are. We've
got like an IQ between the two of us of seven,
and we see the holes in this.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
This is Swiss cheese stuff. This is so obvious.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
On one hand, at the state level, if you're not
mom or dad, or you're not your residence, you're not
responsible for throwing your gun on the sofa when you
come in to say hey. And then the other if
it's not your residence but it's in the car, you
throw a pistol under the seat with this city ordinance,
and kids get in the back seat and grab the
pistol from under the seat. Hey, that's actually not against

(23:58):
the ordinance because it's sufis resident. This is just Swiss
cheese legislation and chuck.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
It all goes back to let's bring law abiding gun
owners into the conversation. We have, you know, a different
perspective on it. This is the world we live in.
We have a retail store. We're intimately involved in this
arena and in this industry. Yet we are never asked
to comment on these things. And it's done in some
office where they don't know exactly what's going on, and

(24:26):
they put something out there, and maybe they had good intentions,
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they
had good intentions that this was going to help protect
some of the children out there, but it's written poorly
and at the end of the day, it totally divides
people who otherwise would be for something like this because
they read it and they say, geez, I call an
officer over to take a report about something and they

(24:48):
see a firearm. They could be charged for that, which
is totally not the intention.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Of the law.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
If I'd even beef it up, honestly, and you know
how I am man, I'm absolute second Amendment. But you know,
like the guy with the pit bulls attacking the children.
Let's say you get cited for that misdemeanor for having
a gun, and all the things line up and you
can be sighted for it, so you get that misdemeanor citation.
And then again you leave a gun out and a

(25:15):
child gets it, and maybe that child, I don't know,
shoes out the window, shoots somebody passing by the house
or whatever. I think that should be up. You are
criminally complicit at that point in the felonious assault of
another human being because you didn't follow the law. I'm
not saying persecute the law abiding. I'm saying persecute the
illegal idiot people out there that do stuff and don't care.

Speaker 9 (25:38):
You're absolutely right, Chuck. And so often it seems that
the one who leaves that firearm around. It comes back
and they were someone who shouldn't have been owning a
firearm at all. Anyway, They have a weapon under a
disability as we call it. So, I mean we need
to crack down if we want to see change in
the street. We need to get serious about some of
these things. And lawful gun owners are willing to support

(26:00):
stuff that makes sense, that's going to impact the change.
We just don't seem to have the seat at the table.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
This is the kind of stuff he talks about every
week Saturdays at noon on Target on LPE. Firearms Arranged
nine ninety nine Bethel Road. Always a good show. You
can listen to it on the station. You can listen
to it on sixth NAETV, in dot com on iHeartMedia
dot com or Rightheartradio dot com and up.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
He's probably carried by a couple of television networks at
this point. Anything already planned for this Saturday, Any big
stuff you want to tell.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Me about actually kind of a good one. We are having.
Lisa Rantalove with ABC six is gonna join us, and
she is going to join us to talk about the
story she did this week about juvenile the juvenile justice
system and a particular case where the juvenile was out
and he was shooting at officers and come to find
out he had been arrested on some I think robbery

(26:52):
charges just in December, and a month later he's out
shooting at our officers on the street. So she's gonna
jump on with us and tell us a little bit
about that investigation.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
You beat me to the punch on that one. I
actually sent her a note this morning about that story
and several others, because I think she does great work
over her. I told her I'd love to get her
in the studio and just have a conversation about all
these all these goofy things she has to go out
there and cover with a straight face because they have
to make her crazy.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Yes, right, well, Chuck, there's there's an open seat this week.
You know, you have an invite.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I know, but you quit bringing snacks so I'll see.

Speaker 9 (27:21):
Hey, I'm not going to say it on air, but
there is a new coffee and donut shop opening up
in our complex tomorrow, so there will be snacks.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Oh really, Okay, Well, now you may have done something
for me there, Eric Gilbert, thanks very much, buddy, Get
out there and be safe this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I just you know, like I say, I'm absolute Second
Amendment right kind of guy, but stupid.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's stupid and stupid deserves to pay a price.

Speaker 10 (27:47):
Show.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's four oh seven. I'm sucking that said xaping. I
hope you're a you're enjoying this wonderful first day of
spring in a in a needle autumn. So the way
I answer what it feels like, it's it looks like
I feel like it's late October, early.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
November, forty four degrees, cloudy skies. But that's okay, that's okay,
it's big. We will recover.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It will eventually be warm again, sun will shine again,
grass will be green again, and we'll complain about it
being too hot again. That's just the way we roll
here in central Ohio. Coming up this hour, I've got
Greg glasson on the way from Buckeye Institute just to
kind of give us a heads up and the quick
details on this new discussion slash debate in the state

(28:35):
of Ohio regarding property taxes. I will tell you up front,
I have I've always had a problem with property taxes.
Now I know that we use it as a catch
all to fund everything mental health services, seniors services, schools especially.

(28:55):
It's it's overburdened. It's an overburdened concept.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
My issue, my.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Problem with the concept of property taxes is that I
personally don't think it's right that you must pay the
government a fee every year simply for the right of
owning something. You're not requiring the government to do anything.

(29:31):
They're not maintaining it for you. The government doesn't cut
your grass. The government doesn't come out and scrub your
patio furniture for you in the spring. The government has
nothing to do with your property, and yet you must
pay them money every year simply for the right to
own something. And that is why, in my mind, property

(29:54):
taxes are one of the most Unamerican things about America.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
I totally agree with you, but all I'm hearing from
you right now is you want to be more like
China because they don't have property tax over there. So
that's what you're going for is do.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
They have property over there?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I mean, can you outside of outside of being government
or you know, a big corporate head beholding the government,
can can the average Joe or whatever own property in China?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
I mean, yes, yes, yes, but.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
It's a communist country. So I just figured that, you.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Know, we're trying to march us towards that, and I
just wanted everybody to know that's kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
You are not at all, not at all.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I believe absolutely in in you know, paying the bills.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I think we should pay the bills, but I don't
think that property taxes should be the catch all. I
also don't think that these you know, special tax districts,
tax increment financing TIFFs as they called him, are acceptable.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
There need to be limits placed on that.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
If you want to inspire new construction, you want to
give the builders a break so that perhaps they can
give the buyers a break. We can get people into
new homes, new condos, new business properties, whatever. And you
want to you know, reduce property taxes for a period
of time, Okay, I can see it. But when that reduction,

(31:18):
when you go out and you know, buy yourself a new,
brand spanking new one point eight million dollar condo and
pay a couple of one hundred dollars in property taxes,
When somebody living in the Sanford and Sun of States
is paying twenty four hundred dollars. That's wrong. That's wrong,
And especially when you're talking about ten years, fifteen years

(31:41):
that they will have to only pay a couple of
hundred dollars in property taxes. If you want to do
you know, two years, five years, okay, but ten fifteen years, No, No,
that's ridiculous, especially in residential cases. Now, in corporate cases,

(32:02):
you want to reduce, you know, corporate property tax in
order to get the corporation to come there. All right,
let's talk about it. Let's I'm good with this, but
but there must be accountability, which means there must be
negotiations from a position of strength to negotiate what these

(32:24):
tax breaks will be. Well, we want to build a factory,
and we want a tax abatement of eighty percent on
that property.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
All right, all right, we'll do eighty percent.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
We will do that eighty percent if you bring in
at least a thousand jobs. We will bring in one
thousand jobs within two years, two years and one day later.
If there are not a thousand jobs brought in, you
owe those taxes and you lose that tax discount. You
will either do what you say. Too often, there's no

(32:58):
follow up no follow up. Builders come in, they want you.
We put these limitation texts on what we will and
won't do, but then they do it as soon as
you're not looking, as soon as the city inspector as
it looking, as soon as say health commissioners. They do
what they want to do, get away with it, and
nobody follows up to say, hey, no, no, this wasn't
our agreement. We are we're we are too timid when

(33:24):
we should be brazen, and we are too brazen when
we should sit down and shut up. That's pretty much
the definition of Columbus, Ohio. Or maybe that's just me.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
A two one nine eighty six.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
If you had any property tax thoughts, feel free A
two one w TV and John you're on the Legacy
Retirement Group dot com phone line.

Speaker 11 (33:42):
Ty, Hey, chick uh, you know the biggest problem I
have with property tax because pardon me, you know it's
existed for centuries, probably even millennium. But the thing I
hate about it is I would be I'm being treated
like a piggy bank by people living in apartments or

(34:05):
renting homes and stuff. I would not have as much
trouble with property taxes if the only people who voted
on property taxes were property owners? Because I fund the library,
I fund the fire department. Now I understand apartment renters.
You know, they pay property tax through their rent and

(34:25):
all that stuff. But you know, property taxes go up
and bang, I'm hit just like that. And a lot
of times people rent, let's say in our township over
here near Dayton, They'll run a couple of years and
then moved Cincinnati or maybe moved to Columbus or whatever.
So you know, as a property owner, as somebody who's

(34:46):
actually going to be here a while, I think I
should have to say on what kind of property taxes
I'm paying? Am not somebody who doesn't have a stake
in the game.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, And as you say, usually renters, the landlord's going
to pass that on to their tenants. That's you know,
that's kind of the nature. So they are paying it
even if it's not called a tax. Here's here's it.
I'm going to do Devil's Advocate on you, John. Once
you condition who can vote on something, Oh my gosh,
there's Pandora's box there. Now, you got to be a

(35:17):
property owner. You got to speak English, you gotta do Hey,
you know, we got rid of all the poll taxes
and u and testing and everything in the name of
civil rights and equality. If if you suggest something like that,
you will be every ist in the book.

Speaker 11 (35:33):
And that is true because then the next thing that
will come up will be income tax. Because you may
not live in Columbus, but you're probably working in Columbus
in paying city income tax. Oh yes, so you should
have a say in how that income tax is done
because you're paying it, but you're being not being represented.
And I think me personally, I'm pretty close to libertarian.

(35:58):
I think personally, the people for you something, you should
pay for it.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
There there you go, a usage tax, a consumption tax.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
A sales tax.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm good with all that because something is happening in
order to create the tax. But when you're getting tax
simply for existing, that goes against my grain. John, thanks
very much for driving it. I appreciate you. Eight two
one nine eight eighty six A two n WTV and
ed you're on the Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone lines.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Hi.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
Hey, the property tax for for schools has already been
declared unconstitutional four times.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Many years ago, and the state legislature still has not
managed to figure that out yep. And I'm wondering, and
I've actually put this to a few members of the legislay,
how long until you think you're charged with contempt as
a body because the court has put the orders in
front of you, you continue to not comply. How long
until the body is charged?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Nothing's going to happen now.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
You know it won't either. But it's a legitimate question
even though it has no answer. Yeah, I just and
you know, as I said, ad property tax is the
cash cow. You can't keep adding to the list of
things funded by property tax, and they do every time
there's a new issue, a new program, a new library

(37:21):
to be built, a new senior citizens program that needs
to be funded, mental health services, and they keep throwing
that under property taxes. And it's just it's I don't know.
It is a burden on people who have achieved. Frankly,
if you if you manage to go out and buy
a home, you're gonna get penalized for that.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
It just doesn't seem right.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
No.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
And the thing of it is, with the government season
all lands within the United States in nineteen thirteen, that
means all we have our owner's rights to the property.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
We don't actually own it.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Ed, Amen, thank you very much for bringing that up.
A two one WTV and is my number, Jase, and
you're on sixt.

Speaker 12 (38:02):
Well, thanks for ed clearing that up. And when you
further helped clear it up, I knew I was somewhat
correct that that property taxes to fund schools had been
ruled unconstitutional. And I'll take it a step further on this,
this property ownership. There really is no such thing as
as property ownership when we look at this property tax situation.

(38:24):
I have worked really, really really hard, my wife and
I and and and and thank god, later this year,
we're going to have our mortgage paid off. Okay, it's
a great feeling, but I live in a ridiculous one
of these disgusting Western Franklin County sickening over taxed school districts.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I know where you are. I try to sell houses
out there all the time.

Speaker 12 (38:48):
So when I get my mortgage paid off, now I've
got the privilege of paying distinct in school taxes one
thousand dollars a month for my property.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
That oh my gosh, Chuck, it's.

Speaker 12 (39:02):
We're over twelve grand a year with this latest stinking
levee that these fools voted on so and passed. So
I get the privilege of continuing to rent the property
that I have paid. I have worked my fingers to
the bone to pay my mortgage off later this year
to the tune of one thousand dollars a month is
what I'm going to continue paying property taxes. So I

(39:24):
don't know how to fix it, but like you said,
some sort of a use tax, flat tax. I told
my wife the other day, I would rather pay one
thousand dollars a year for license plates on my car.
You know, some way to capture everybody, you know, to
share in this burden, because I know there's a lot
of people out there that aren't paying their fair share

(39:46):
somehow in property taxes, but are driving way better vehicles
than I am. So maybe we can somehow capture it
by And I don't know, I'm not smart enough, but
all I know is we do not and never will
truly own my own our property. Because what happens if
I if I say screw this, I'm going to quit
paying my property tax. Yeah, I'm gonna get a lean
slapped on me sheriff sale, and then there will be

(40:08):
a big war at my property when they come to
try to take it over. But you know is what
it is you.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
You've been surprised, Jason, how often it comes up for
me as a realtor when I I've got a house
and I've got a reasonable seller. This, here's what I
want for my house, Here's what I want to clear
after say, great, you know what your house is worth,
what you want out of it. I can achieve this
for you. I can get you that bottom line. You'd
be surprised how many times you all those taxes are
just too high. That's going to make the mortgage payment
too high. The taxes should not be to the point

(40:35):
where they're going to make the house unaffordable at its
selling price.

Speaker 12 (40:39):
That's crazy, and Chuck, it's forcing my wife and I
out of out of Franklin County where we're looking to move.
I love where I live. I love everything about where
I live. We live out in the country, but we're
just we're it's it's stupid. I am an idiot for
paying a thousand dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's yeah, that's absolutely no. Are you over sixty No?

Speaker 5 (41:00):
No.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
In my early fifties, okay, I was gonna say make
sure you're taking taking that homestead. Make sure you're taking
the owner occupant, make sure you can take any credit
you can possibly take.

Speaker 12 (41:08):
But that doesn't help that much. I have a very
good friend of mine who does the homestead acting, and
it doesn't. I mean, it'll save you enough to go buy,
you know, two dozen eggs to the tune of twenty
dollars a dozen eggs, you know, but yeah, but it's
not that big of a saving when it's frustrating.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
When the time comes, maybe you and I wind up
crossing paths.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
You never know.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
But yeah, let's let's hope those taxes get get it
a little more reasonable out there, buddy, thanks for the
call very much. Here Chuck A nine eighty six, a
two one WTV and is anover I just you know,
the the discussions going on at the state level now
they're going to start, hopefully, hopefully restructuring the way property
taxes are figured around the state, not just here in

(41:49):
Franklin County. And Greg Lawson from Buckeye Institute will join
me in the second half hour just to kind of
update this on where that is and how it's going
to progress hopefully, you know, to benefit us. But it's
got to be right it's got to be right. The
the ten year and fifteen year and eight ninety percent
abatements for people buying luxury properties when when you know

(42:11):
John and Joan Public are out here struggling for their
single family home to try to maintain taxes there, and
you know the million dollar condo gets a couple of
hundred dollars a year in taxes.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Now, I'm sorry, not right.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
It's an on your Time Blazer Show podcasts on six'
TEN wtvn dot. Com may you bring up? Taxes you
get people all fired. UP i guess that's what it
is out. There it's a property. Toe oh, yeah get
me my. Phone then you're standing, by AND i appreciate.
You the numbers eight two to one ninety eight six
eight two ONE Wtv and it's a, quagmire to say

(42:46):
the very very Least i've. Got i've Got Greg lawson
From Buckeye institute scheduled to call in here in a
couple of minutes just to update this on what kind
of negotiations and preparations are going on in the attempt
to modify our property tax choice here in the state Of.
Ohio as well As State Senator Steve huffman standing by
on the line as. Well it fills in from his.
Perspective right, now we've got to get YOUR abc six

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but that's WHAT i have to deal.

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Welcome, YEAH i. KNOW i was looking at your extended
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so that's. Good, well let's. Hope so let's hope for.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
That we Will actually the ninety day forecast For April
May june does look like it may actually be above
average temperature, wise but our part of the Lower Great
lakes looks like it may be.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
Also wetter than.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
Average so we'll see how the jet stream sets up
and whether that'll actually play.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Out today was the.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
Equinox so in, theory we have equal day and equal,
night twelve hours of. Each but you look at the
sunrise and sunset and you, say but, wait those are
eleven minutes.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Different what is?

Speaker 7 (43:56):
Happening and it all comes down to the way that
we measure the sunrise and. Sunset we don't measure it
from the middle of the sun's. Disc so if the
sun is just at the, horizon the, top very portion
of it first, appears that's what we call. Sunrise and
when the last part of it just disappears between below

(44:18):
the horizon at, sunset that's the. Moment so instead of
the middle of the, sun it's the, edge and that's
what makes it. Different so we don't actually have equal,
day equal night on the.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
Equinox go up with.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
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Speaker 8 (44:36):
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Speaker 7 (44:38):
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Speaker 1 (44:38):
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in the.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Morning thank You. Marshall we're at forty five right. Now
it's your severe weather, Station news radio six to TEN.

Speaker 10 (44:58):
Wtv and, hey you, know AS i said at the
very beginning of the, hour the whole property tax state
and it's you, know center around griping about it doesn't
do anything but fixing.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
It fixing it might make a few of us. HAPPY
i might even grow a little hair back on my
head just to celebrate if we ever come to a
conclusion on how to make it. Better the trouble, is
it is so convoluted at this. POINT i don't. KNOW
i don't know how to do. IT i, mean, it's you,
know kind of the doze, situation if you. Will you

(45:30):
got to break a lot of eggs to make this,
omelet and so many things have been piled on that
property tax horse's back that.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You got to figure out how to.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Distribute them before you could even talk about minimizing or
eliminating the property. Tax Buckeye institute is working on. That
they are actually in testimony right, NOW i guess before
the legislature as we're trying to rework the property tax
situation here in the state Of. Ohio greg lawsonppreciate. YOU
i haven't talked to you in so long until this.
AFTERNOON i appreciate you making a few minutes just to

(46:04):
kind of update this this.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Afternoon, absolutely thanks for having me. On i'm really grateful
for a chance to talk about. This and, boy you
nailed it on the head when you said it's very
complicated and it's very long. Term this is a real.
Challenge it's the merge of the course not just of
a few, years but quite, frankly over the course of several.
Decades and so there's no easy, solution no silver bullet

(46:25):
that can be. Done BUT i have to say that
The General assembly In columbus is beginning to wake up
to that, reality and there are individual pieces of legislation
that are starting to pop up that will address, this
or at least start to address, IT i should. Say
AND i think that is a remarkable achievement Because i've
been talking about a lot of this for, years and

(46:47):
until the pain point, arise it's very hard for legislators
and policy makers to really get their head around it
and to start to want to talk about it until
they have.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
To gregor you're walking into a favorable. AUDIENCE i, mean
do you feel like this is one of those things
where everybody's finally, Exiting, okay let's work, together or is
the first step going to BE i need to convince
you people to listen to.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
ME i think that there is an open door. NOW
i think that these property tax, spikes you, know you're
hearing the stories of the of the fixed income seniors
who have paid off their mortgage and might be losing their.
Home you're hearing stories of young families that are looking
to get a starter. Home they just can't do. It,
obviously not just because of the, pricing although that's part of,

(47:29):
it but they recognize that these, taxes the property, taxes
are just putting them completely out of the. Market and
so you, know their legislators are hearing this back in their.
Districts they know it's a. Problem it's the thing that
they're hearing probably more about than almost anything else when
they go back. Home so there is a receptivity to
different ideas, now more receptivity honestly Than i've heard in.

(47:51):
Years AND i think that's a good. Thing. NOW i
don't think that they necessarily know everything that they need
to do to fix these. CHALLENGES a couple of new
legislators that have come into this kind of freshman class
of new legislators that are starting to really sort of
address this and introduce legislation to tackle some of the
individual levy problems we have In. Ohio AND i think

(48:13):
that is. AWESOME i think that is absolutely. ESSENTIAL i
kind of put, IT i kind of look at it this.
Way you really have sort of your short term issue
and your long term issue their short term, pain and
if you don't do something about the short term, pain
you're going to have a problem with those those senior
citizens or those starter, families the people who are suffering
right here and right. Now and so you're trying to figure, out,

(48:36):
well what do we do to sort of at least
put a band date on for right. Now that's that's
one group of, issues and then the longer term issue
is how do we fix this in the long term
so that we can do more than just slap the
band date on that we can actually start to solve
the underlying. Condition because you had a just a perfect storm.
Happened you Had biden inflation happen historic, levels you, know

(48:59):
forty and forty plus, here since we had inflation at
that level we're talking of late, seventies early, eighties and
so that is certainly a contributor to the problem we
face with the property tax. Spikes but the other problem
Is ohio just had a lot of structural problems and
how local government. Operates we have a lot of local.
Government we have three over thirty nine hundred that's, right
three nine hundred different taxing jurisdictions In, ohio from school

(49:23):
districts to, townships to soil and water conservation, districts things
people don't even ever think, about but taken tax and
so we have just tons of, entities tons of taxes
that have just been layering on top of themselves for
literally decades and getting worse every single. Year, well that,
problem that structural, problem met disinflation, problem and it made

(49:47):
us have a complete disaster of a situation.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Emerge the idea that these MUNICIPALITIES i was grousing about
that earlier, too in order to recruit, business in order
to spur, development they keep giving away taxes and it
bugs me to no. End these developers come in and
the few that do want to build residential, developments they
managed to get ten year fifteen year tax increment. Financing

(50:12):
they're not paying property. Taxes or you've got people going
into The arena district build their million and a half
dollar condo and they're paying a couple of hundred bucks
a year in property. Taxes people who do build new,
homes if they don't have that property tax, Abatement, know
you build that, home you're making your payments the first.
Year the taxes on that first year's mortgage payment are

(50:32):
figured on the vacant lot that was there the year.
Before there needs to be a mandatory disclosure that when
you build a new, property your taxes are going from
two fifty a year to thirty five hundred a year
at least in your new suburban. Home but they're not
ready for. That and when you don't disclose that and
people aren't ready for, it you end up with a
bunch of foreclosures because my mortgage payments suddenly went up

(50:54):
three hundred dollars a, month and we go right back
to the hell that we were in in two thousand,
three two thousand and.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Seven, WELL i think you've got it right on the head.
Again one of the things That i've been saying for
a while is we need to put some parameters around
how we do these local tax. Statements this economic development
sort of mentality that we have In. OHIO i kind
of tongue in cheek call it bribe and, grow because you,
KNOW i call it that because that's kind of what you're.

(51:22):
Doing you're sort of you're carving somebody out of the tax.
Base you're making them not pay, taxes which means that
everybody who doesn't get that special break has to pick up,
flack you, know and that's part of the. Problem there's
that's so one of the things we're gonna have to
do is we're gonna have to put some limits on
this because a lot of times these tax, breaks, TOO
i might, add are, about, hey we're gonna we're gonna

(51:42):
move jobs from the city over here or the village
over here to the city on the other side of the.
Street this happens a, lot so you're not actually getting
new jobs in the. Region you're really just moving jobs
from one jurisdiction to. Another and part of the reason
we do that In ohio is because we have m
disciplay income, tax which is kind of a rarity across
the country Where ohio is very different and how it

(52:04):
does that municipal income. Tax so what happened is you
abate properties and you pick up the revenue off of
the jobs that you do pick up during the. Daytime
so you have people who may not even live in
your city but work there during the. Day you get
income tax from. That so that's why the cities oftentimes
will do. It but when they do, that what it
does it diffuses the cost onto other taxpayers who are

(52:27):
having to go to the levee more often because other
government services aren't being made whole when they carved somebody
out of the tax base for the property of tax
and so this is a major problem that contributes to
some of the PROBLEMS i was talking about, before plus
all of these different, levees and WHAT i testified on
yesterday and actually The house went ahead and they voted
out a committee and put it on the floor yesterday

(52:47):
and voted it out is a good Package house built
twenty eight and it basically gets rid of what are
called replacement, levees which you, KNOW i won't go down
the rabbit hole and well what it, is but essentially
it's kind of a misleading type of levy that a
lot of taxpayers get confuse by and don't realize that
when they vote for, this they're actually putting for a tax,
increase even though it's not obvious that it's a tax.

(53:09):
Increase is they think they're probably doing what's called a,
renewal which raises the same amount of, money but that's
actually not what a replacement levy. Is and so what
we've been saying and the general symbol at least The
house so far has agreed is, no if you want new,
money you need to do a renewal and then ask
for new money with new with a new. Request that's
what you should. Do you should be transparent to taxpayers

(53:30):
and that's what you're. Seeking and so this was one small,
step but it's one of those things that we have
to do to kind of clean up the clutter of
how we do local government and local government taxation here In.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Ohio Greg lawson's with The Buck Guye. Institute how do
people follow the, progress keep updates coming at them and
all that? Stuff web, pages social? Media what's the best?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Way?

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Yeah absolutely, well first of a welcome to the Website
Buckeye institute dot. Org that's our main, website has all of.
It and then we can also follow us ON x
Or twitter or whatever you want to call, it and
it's at The Buck. Eye and THEN I nst so
short For institute The BUCKEYE I nst ON. X those
are probably the two best ways to check out what

(54:12):
we've got going on both at the State house and
then with other policy research that we're doing to try
to Make ohio a better for your.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
STATE i appreciate you being on with me this, afternoon
AND i appreciate the work you're, Doing, greg and you'll
probably hear from me quite a bit again because this is.
Important we've got we talked this. Afternoon we've got to
stimulate not just the, economy but the, people because ultimately
the people stimulate the. Economy we need the good, news
we need the adrenal and, flow we need the legislation
that encourages us to feel like we've got some freedom

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and some ability to carve our own path.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Again that's what's going to make us.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Work thanks so.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Much we'll talk to you very very. Soon