March 1, 2025 • 5 mins
Laws to keep firearms out of the wrong hands come into effect today.
The Government is expanding firearms prohibition orders to cover gangs and other high-risk offenders.
Courts are now allowed to grant and FPO on the basis of gang affiliation to a crime, keeping guns out of the hands of guns.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks'd
be laws.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
To keep firearms out of the wrong hands coming to
effect today. The government is expanding firearms prohibition orders to
cover gangs and other high risk offenders.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Courts will now be allowed to grant an FPO that's
a firearms private prohibition order on.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The basis of gang affiliation to a crime and keeping
guns out of the hands of hands of gangs. And
Minister of Police Mitchell joins me, Now, good afternoon. Hey,
just quickly, did I see something about you going in
some MANU champs?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I was down at the Vibeuct yesterday for the Money
worel Chance final and and I was kind of put
on the spot in sidey.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Do you want to give it a go? You know what?
I thought, that's a great opportunity. Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I see the image of you.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It looks like you're going and you've only take You've
got your suit, you've got your suit pants on.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Obviously tolls you you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Can't do the undease togs togs unders.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
No, definitely not, definitely not had to be the clothes
I've got rid of the shoes and everything.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
But you I went old styles.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I did the old style, you know, back in our day,
with the old knee up to the.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Cham the bomb. It was a lot of fun. It's
it's a great event.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
And yeah, so anyway, congratulations, well done on you these
farms proyhim fish and order.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The changes that are looking at what are you looking
to fix?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
It went strong enough, so I was very clear about it.
We're in opposition in the in the previous government took
this legislation through. I said, you need to have a
warrant search power so that police can actually enforce it.
The whole purpose of was to keep firearms or legal
farms off our streets and out of the hands of
game members. And to do that, the police need to
have a have search powers that they can stop and
(01:52):
actually search them. So that's one other thing that's been added.
You Actually you've covered it very well in your opening
comments when you said that it expands to qualifying criteria
so that judges now can apply it more to associates
and people involved with organized criminal offended?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Is that like? Is that so often?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know, the older gang members have got these prohibition orders,
they get the younger guys who seem to be cleaner
to get the you know, get a license or something,
and they therefore get sort of second our access.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Is that what you're trying to fix?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, look, that's something that they look The older game
members absolutely realize that our laws are much weaker when
it relates in relation to youth and juvenile offending. So
they'll often get the ones that are prospect, you know,
wanting to join the gangs to go out there and
actually commit the offenses. That probably relates a bit to
the firearms as well. Although a lot of these gang
(02:44):
members they like to be armed up. They like to
have these firearms. It's a big part of the way
they operate, the way they intimidate people and threaten people.
And we know this far too many in circulation, and
certainly there's been far too many firearms related in sin
so that our police have to deal with and expose
out the public to harm.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Do you think, I mean, will it cynically speaking, will
it make any difference because they're not interested in laws
and licenses and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I think it will make a difference because you remember
when last year, you know, I had a whole lot
of commentators coming out and telling me how the gang
legislation wasn't going to work. Well, the three months into it,
we see the amount offenses, the prosecutions, the compliance, the
very very high levels of compliance from the gangs. And
it's been a great piece of legislation to give the
police more powers to be able to roll over the
top of them and actually police them and give the
(03:33):
public a sense that our police and our control in
the streets and not the gangs. And this legislation is
very similar. It's a very very useful tool for police
to continue to put pressure on the gangs.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Does it enable them to sort of get in their
faces a bit more in terms of their own private
residences and check that they're behaving or what are the
I mean and balancing that between the civil liberties aspects
of life.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And look we've still got very firm checks and balances
in place to make.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Sure that the powers are used properly.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And our police services world class and they've got a
long long history of using powers and actually powers for search,
you know, and responsibly. But we have good measures in
place with the I p c A there obviously, and
even as part of this legislation is that are constable
(04:19):
wanting to use and execute a wantless search power. We
are practical has to check with a you know, the
chaining command and in line n c O or sergeant
in terms.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Of the reason for bringing these orders about. Is this
from your own observations or is this sort of feedback
from the front line police or your police commissioner.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
He'll be loving this as well. He's getting right into
his job, isn't he.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Absolutely, it's probably a combination of all those things. I mean,
you know, you don't have to be a you know,
a brain surgeon to have seen over the last five
or six years just how the gangs in New Zealand
have grown, how they have been operating with impunity. They've
been taken over public roads, intimidating people, Lots and lots
of gang related violent crime involving guns. You know, we
(05:04):
remember we had that pet which of you know, over
twenty drive by shootings in South Auckland related to the
theft of a gang pitch. You know, we've had we
had a podokey taken over, we had crime mental township
taken over by a game. So you know, we've been
really clear that we're going to cremp down on that
the police are doing an outstanding job and these powers
are just additional powers for them to continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Excellent. Hey Mark, I really appreciate your time this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Thanks HEV.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I look forward to the full, the full and
genuine talks.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
We might we might both have to go do it
next year with some board short Sigland set, I'll.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Have a crack.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, you know I'd want to leave. I would
want to leave the smallest imprint. I guess that's the thing,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, let's do it. I'm going to remind you fish year.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Mate that as minister. Please Mark Matchey for more from
the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Listen live to news Talks it'd be weekends from three pm,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks'd
be laws.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
To keep firearms out of the wrong hands coming to
effect today. The government is expanding firearms prohibition orders to
cover gangs and other high risk offenders.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Courts will now be allowed to grant an FPO that's
a firearms private prohibition order on.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The basis of gang affiliation to a crime and keeping
guns out of the hands of hands of gangs. And
Minister of Police Mitchell joins me, Now, good afternoon. Hey,
just quickly, did I see something about you going in
some MANU champs?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I was down at the Vibeuct yesterday for the Money
worel Chance final and and I was kind of put
on the spot in sidey.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Do you want to give it a go? You know what?
I thought, that's a great opportunity. Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I see the image of you.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It looks like you're going and you've only take You've
got your suit, you've got your suit pants on.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Obviously tolls you you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Can't do the undease togs togs unders.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
No, definitely not, definitely not had to be the clothes
I've got rid of the shoes and everything.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
But you I went old styles.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I did the old style, you know, back in our day,
with the old knee up to the.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Cham the bomb. It was a lot of fun. It's
it's a great event.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
And yeah, so anyway, congratulations, well done on you these
farms proyhim fish and order.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The changes that are looking at what are you looking
to fix?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
It went strong enough, so I was very clear about it.
We're in opposition in the in the previous government took
this legislation through. I said, you need to have a
warrant search power so that police can actually enforce it.
The whole purpose of was to keep firearms or legal
farms off our streets and out of the hands of
game members. And to do that, the police need to
have a have search powers that they can stop and
(01:52):
actually search them. So that's one other thing that's been added.
You Actually you've covered it very well in your opening
comments when you said that it expands to qualifying criteria
so that judges now can apply it more to associates
and people involved with organized criminal offended?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Is that like? Is that so often?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know, the older gang members have got these prohibition orders,
they get the younger guys who seem to be cleaner
to get the you know, get a license or something,
and they therefore get sort of second our access.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Is that what you're trying to fix?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, look, that's something that they look The older game
members absolutely realize that our laws are much weaker when
it relates in relation to youth and juvenile offending. So
they'll often get the ones that are prospect, you know,
wanting to join the gangs to go out there and
actually commit the offenses. That probably relates a bit to
the firearms as well. Although a lot of these gang
(02:44):
members they like to be armed up. They like to
have these firearms. It's a big part of the way
they operate, the way they intimidate people and threaten people.
And we know this far too many in circulation, and
certainly there's been far too many firearms related in sin
so that our police have to deal with and expose
out the public to harm.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Do you think, I mean, will it cynically speaking, will
it make any difference because they're not interested in laws
and licenses and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I think it will make a difference because you remember
when last year, you know, I had a whole lot
of commentators coming out and telling me how the gang
legislation wasn't going to work. Well, the three months into it,
we see the amount offenses, the prosecutions, the compliance, the
very very high levels of compliance from the gangs. And
it's been a great piece of legislation to give the
police more powers to be able to roll over the
top of them and actually police them and give the
(03:33):
public a sense that our police and our control in
the streets and not the gangs. And this legislation is
very similar. It's a very very useful tool for police
to continue to put pressure on the gangs.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Does it enable them to sort of get in their
faces a bit more in terms of their own private
residences and check that they're behaving or what are the
I mean and balancing that between the civil liberties aspects
of life.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And look we've still got very firm checks and balances
in place to make.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Sure that the powers are used properly.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And our police services world class and they've got a
long long history of using powers and actually powers for search,
you know, and responsibly. But we have good measures in
place with the I p c A there obviously, and
even as part of this legislation is that are constable
(04:19):
wanting to use and execute a wantless search power. We
are practical has to check with a you know, the
chaining command and in line n c O or sergeant
in terms.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Of the reason for bringing these orders about. Is this
from your own observations or is this sort of feedback
from the front line police or your police commissioner.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
He'll be loving this as well. He's getting right into
his job, isn't he.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Absolutely, it's probably a combination of all those things. I mean,
you know, you don't have to be a you know,
a brain surgeon to have seen over the last five
or six years just how the gangs in New Zealand
have grown, how they have been operating with impunity. They've
been taken over public roads, intimidating people, Lots and lots
of gang related violent crime involving guns. You know, we
(05:04):
remember we had that pet which of you know, over
twenty drive by shootings in South Auckland related to the
theft of a gang pitch. You know, we've had we
had a podokey taken over, we had crime mental township
taken over by a game. So you know, we've been
really clear that we're going to cremp down on that
the police are doing an outstanding job and these powers
are just additional powers for them to continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Excellent. Hey Mark, I really appreciate your time this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Thanks HEV.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I look forward to the full, the full and
genuine talks.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
We might we might both have to go do it
next year with some board short Sigland set, I'll.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Have a crack.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, you know I'd want to leave. I would
want to leave the smallest imprint. I guess that's the thing,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, let's do it. I'm going to remind you fish year.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Mate that as minister. Please Mark Matchey for more from
the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Listen live to news Talks it'd be weekends from three pm,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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