The Third Narrative

The Third Narrative, exploring life beyond black and white thinking. Join Noa in intimate conversations with guests whose lives embrace complexity and openness with courage and love, offering fresh perspectives on today’s most divided topics and the space that exists in-between and beyond.

Episodes

Episode 07 - Partnership Vs. Coexistence

March 5, 2026 • 69 mins

“Coexistence” keeps the lines intact; partnership redraws them. In a conversation spanning Israel/Palestine and Aotearoa, Luai Haj invites us to imagine partnership beyond tolerance, reflecting on what happens when well-intentioned allies resist relinquishing control, and why listening may be the most radical political act of all.

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Episode 06 - Tamati

January 29, 2026 • 59 mins

A programme first broadcast on Fresh FM, the Top of the South's Community Access Media Station.

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Episode 05 - Allan Heta-Cleaver

January 15, 2026 • 44 mins

Allan Heta-Cleaver is a Māori takatāpui healer, Koro, father, and partner. Drawing from lived experience across sex work, contemporary mirimiri, and body-based healing, Allan speaks to the body as a site of connection and relation, through memory, aroha, and transformation. In this conversation, he weaves sexuality and spirituality, Māori and Pākehā worlds, pain and pleasure, embodying a Third Narrative that refuses binaries and ce...

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Episode 04 - Paul

December 18, 2025 • 57 mins

Three years after leaving Gloriavale, Paul speaks openly about the ongoing work of deconstructing, choosing, and rebuilding belief systems, an intentional, self-authored journey. An observer, deep thinker, and loving father, he reflects on what it means to move from a tightly defined life into one that is evolving and truly his own.

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Episode 03 - Jen Bennett, Third Space Aotearoa

November 27, 2025 • 42 mins

In this episode, Jen Bennett—educational leader turned Tiriti educator and facilitator—reflects with Noa on the responsibilities and possibilities of being tauiwi in Aotearoa. Together they unpack connection to place, partnership with tangata whenua, the work of equity, and the evolving journeys of parenting and identity.

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Episode 02 - Loui Haj

November 13, 2025 • 34 mins

A conversation with Loui Haj, a 60-year-old Arab citizen of Israel and Hebrew-language poet who chooses to live within a “Third Narrative”—one grounded in nuance, universal ethics, and shared humanity. From his home in Acre, Loui reflects on identity, inherited pain, and his commitment to building bridges between Arabs and Jews.

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Episode 01 - Adi Ronen Argov

October 30, 2025 • 42 mins

In this episode of The Third Narrative, Noa speaks with Adi — a psychologist, activist, and founder of The Daily File, a living archive documenting the human cost of ongoing conflicts in the Middle East. Together they explore compassion, courage, and what it means to hold complexity and hope amid trauma and division.

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Episodes

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Episode 05 - Allan Heta-Cleaver

Episode 04 - Paul

Episode 03 - Jen Bennett, Third Space Aotearoa

Episode 02 - Loui Haj

Episode 01 - Adi Ronen Argov

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