The Third Narrative

The Third Narrative, exploring life beyond black and white thinking. Join Noa in intimate conversations with guests whose lives embrace complexity and openness with courage and love, offering fresh perspectives on today’s most divided topics and the space that exists in-between and beyond.

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Epsiode 08 - When coming out saved my faith

March 19, 2026 • 74 mins

What happens when coming out doesn’t destroy faith, but saves it? In this deeply honest conversation, Sara reflects on growing up in a fundamentalist Christian world, wrestling with theology, queerness, marriage, motherhood, and mental health, and slowly finding a God who felt less like judgment and more like home. This is a powerful episode about spiritual survival, self-trust, and building spaces where young people can belo...

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Episode 07 - Partnership Vs. Coexistence

March 5, 2026 • 69 mins

Another deep dive with Loui Haj, exploring why true partnership means shared power (not “coexistence”), and why even well-intentioned allies need to learn listening without guiding—offering. Thought-provoking parallels for Aotearoa about true partnership, who gets to set the terms, and what it really costs to relinquish control of the national narrative.

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Episode 06 - Tamati

January 29, 2026 • 59 mins

Polyamory, Consensual non-monogamy, and other ways to do love. In this episode Tāmati shares with Noa his perspective of relationships and relating, commitment to others and Self, and what is a life-giving relationship.

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Episode 05 - Allan Heta-Cleaver

January 15, 2026 • 44 mins

Allan Heta-Cleaver is a Māori takatāpui healer, Koro, father, and partner. Drawing from lived experience across sex work, contemporary mirimiri, and body-based healing, Allan speaks to the body as a site of connection and relation, through memory, aroha, and transformation. In this conversation, he weaves sexuality and spirituality, Māori and Pākehā worlds, pain and pleasure, embodying a Third Narrative that refuses binaries and ce...

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Episode 04 - Paul

December 18, 2025 • 57 mins

Three years after leaving Gloriavale, Paul speaks openly about the ongoing work of deconstructing, choosing, and rebuilding belief systems, an intentional, self-authored journey. An observer, deep thinker, and loving father, he reflects on what it means to move from a tightly defined life into one that is evolving and truly his own.

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Episode 03 - Jen Bennett, Third Space Aotearoa

November 27, 2025 • 42 mins

In this episode, Jen Bennett—educational leader turned Tiriti educator and facilitator—reflects with Noa on the responsibilities and possibilities of being tauiwi in Aotearoa. Together they unpack connection to place, partnership with tangata whenua, the work of equity, and the evolving journeys of parenting and identity.

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Episode 02 - Loui Haj

November 13, 2025 • 34 mins

A conversation with Loui Haj, a 60-year-old Arab citizen of Israel and Hebrew-language poet who chooses to live within a “Third Narrative”—one grounded in nuance, universal ethics, and shared humanity. From his home in Acre, Loui reflects on identity, inherited pain, and his commitment to building bridges between Arabs and Jews.

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Episode 01 - Adi Ronen Argov

October 30, 2025 • 42 mins

In this episode of The Third Narrative, Noa speaks with Adi — a psychologist, activist, and founder of The Daily File, a living archive documenting the human cost of ongoing conflicts in the Middle East. Together they explore compassion, courage, and what it means to hold complexity and hope amid trauma and division.

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The Third Narrative

Episodes

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Episode 06 - Tamati

Episode 05 - Allan Heta-Cleaver

Episode 04 - Paul

Episode 03 - Jen Bennett, Third Space Aotearoa

Episode 02 - Loui Haj

Episode 01 - Adi Ronen Argov

Popular Podcasts

Epsiode 08 - When coming out saved my faith

Episode 07 - Partnership Vs. Coexistence