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January 27, 2025 43 mins

A special episode from the Lausanne Movement Archives

 

‘Mission’, ‘evangelism’, ‘dialogue’, ‘salvation’, and ‘conversion’—as Christians, we hear these words often, but over time their meanings can become muddled and distorted. 

How can we return to a biblical definition of these terms? 

John Stott’s fresh biblical perspective, given at the 1974 International Congress on World Evangelization, reminds us that the best way to renew our gospel zeal is to return to the source.

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Nothing hinders evangelism today more than the widespread loss of confidence in the truth, relevance, and power of the gospel. 2 00:00:09,349.9999999999 --> 00:00:13,200 God's good news is Jesus.

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.031230813Jesus is the heart and soul of the gospel A very warm welcome to the Lausanne Movement Podcast. 4 00:00:24,191.031230813 --> 00:00:28,581.031230813 For those who have a passion to accelerate global mission together. 5 00:00:28,869.840506754 --> 00:00:39,439.839506754 I'm your host, Jason Watson, and over the course of the next few weeks, we're going to be diving into the Lausanne Movement audio archives and presenting you with talks from the very first Lausanne Congress. 6 00:00:39,857.164134311 --> 00:00:44,107.164134311 Last week, we had the opportunity to hear from the convener of the first Congress, Dr. 7 00:00:44,117.164134311 --> 00:00:44,807.164134311 Billy Graham. 8 00:00:45,197.164134311 --> 00:00:50,737.164134311 And today we have the opportunity to hear from the chief architect of the Lausanne covenant, Dr. 9 00:00:50,737.164134311 --> 00:00:54,567.163134311 John Stott on the biblical basis of evangelism. 10 00:00:54,999.516222817 --> 00:01:05,89.516222817 Today, we stand on the shoulders of these two great evangelical leaders, and it's wonderful that we have the opportunity to continue to learn from them 50 years later. 11 00:01:05,528.618105361 --> 00:01:09,268.618105361 So I want to invite you to grab your headphones and let's hear from Dr. 12 00:01:09,268.619105361 --> 00:01:10,418.618105361 John Stott. 13 00:01:13,959.517179203 --> 00:01:19,769.517179203 Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the Reverend John Stott. 14 00:01:20,387.622178777 --> 00:01:23,357.622178777 I'm grateful to Bishop Thester for his kind introduction. 15 00:01:23,777.622178777 --> 00:01:28,277.622178777 Though I did not, altogether, recognize myself in the pictures. 16 00:01:29,624.702895723 --> 00:01:45,354.70289572 It may seem crazy, in a cross cultural congress like this, that I should begin my address by quoting from those two peculiarly English characters of fiction, Alice in Wonderland and Humpty Dumpty. 17 00:01:46,108.03622906 --> 00:01:49,398.03622906 For it is more than possible that some of you have never heard of them. 18 00:01:49,840.93573069 --> 00:01:50,670.93573069 Never mind. 19 00:01:51,175.93573069 --> 00:01:55,245.93573069 I still think you will appreciate this part of their conversation. 20 00:01:57,75.93573069 --> 00:02:09,145.93473069 "When I use a word', said Humpty Dumpty in a rather scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.' 21 00:02:10,255.93473069 --> 00:02:15,895.93573069 'The question is', said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean different things.' 22 00:02:17,10.93573069 --> 00:02:22,590.93573069 'The question is', said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be the master, that is all." 23 00:02:23,920.93573069 --> 00:02:30,540.93473069 Now the issue between Alice and Humpty Dumpty was whether men can manipulate the meaning of words. 24 00:02:31,410.93473069 --> 00:02:35,800.93573069 Or whether words have an autonomy which cannot be infringed. 25 00:02:36,690.93573069 --> 00:02:38,680.93573069 And this is still a contemporary issue. 26 00:02:39,360.93573069 --> 00:02:44,848.81470187 The modern church sometimes seems like a kind of theological wonderland. 27 00:02:45,653.81570187 --> 00:02:55,673.81570187 in which numerous "Humpty Dumpties" enjoy playing with biblical words and making them mean what they want them to mean. 28 00:02:56,780.48236853 --> 00:03:04,790.48236853 My task this morning is to take a cluster of five related words which are in the forefront of current debate. 29 00:03:05,770.48236853 --> 00:03:17,235.48236853 The word Mission, Evangelism, Dialogue, Salvation, and Conversion, and attempt to define these words biblically. 30 00:03:19,205.48236853 --> 00:03:21,795.48236853 Now please do not misunderstand my purpose. 31 00:03:22,505.48236853 --> 00:03:37,105.48136853 I do not propose to put up a few ecumenical skittles in order to knock them down with some well aimed evangelical balls so that we can all applaud our easy victory. 32 00:03:38,808.81570187 --> 00:03:44,308.81570187 Mind you, I believe that some ecumenical thinking is mistaken. 33 00:03:45,578.81570187 --> 00:03:52,818.81570187 But then frankly, I believe that some of our evangelical formulations are mistaken also. 34 00:03:54,696.96871631 --> 00:04:02,956.96971631 Many ecumenical Christians seem hardly to have begun to learn to live under the authority of Scripture. 35 00:04:04,16.96971631 --> 00:04:06,226.96971631 We, evangelicals, think we have. 36 00:04:06,846.96971631 --> 00:04:22,596.96871631 And there is no doubt we sincerely want to, but at times we are very selective in our submission and the traditions of the evangelical elders sometimes are more to culture than to scripture. 37 00:04:23,872.96617084 --> 00:04:28,972.96617084 So I hope in my message this morning to strike a note of evangelical repentance. 38 00:04:30,496.53778802 --> 00:04:40,376.53778802 Indeed, I hope that throughout this Congress there will be more evangelical penitence than evangelical triumphalism. 39 00:04:41,763.20445469 --> 00:04:52,503.20445469 Both our profession and our performance as evangelicals are far from perfect, and we have some important lessons to learn from our ecumenical critics. 40 00:04:53,263.20445469 --> 00:04:58,403.20445469 Some of their rejection of our position is not a repudiation of biblical truth. 41 00:04:59,358.20445469 --> 00:05:05,158.20445469 But rather of our evangelical caricatures of biblical truth. 42 00:05:06,384.87112136 --> 00:05:10,784.87012136 So I shall try to define biblical evangelism according to scripture. 43 00:05:11,684.87112136 --> 00:05:21,784.87112136 And so bring both ecumenical thinking and evangelical thinking to the same independent and objective biblical test. 44 00:05:22,704.87112136 --> 00:05:25,14.87012136 And if both sides are willing for this. 45 00:05:25,784.87112136 --> 00:05:33,244.87112136 Then neither of us need copy, Humpty Dumpty, and twist words to suit our own pleasure. 46 00:05:34,301.53778802 --> 00:05:36,131.53778802 The first word is Mission. 47 00:05:37,529.51073632 --> 00:05:43,699.51173632 In the past, it was taken for granted that mission and evangelism were more or less synonymous. 48 00:05:44,762.84506965 --> 00:06:00,137.84506965 Recently, however, the word mission has come to be used in a wider and more general sense To include evangelism, but not to be identical with it, and I see no reason why we should resist this development. 49 00:06:00,927.84506965 --> 00:06:07,677.84406965 Mission is an activity of God arising out of the very nature of God. 50 00:06:08,527.84506965 --> 00:06:15,207.84506965 The living God of the Bible is ascending God, which is the meaning of mission. 51 00:06:16,408.64845182 --> 00:06:19,68.64845182 He sent the prophets to Israel. 52 00:06:19,818.64845182 --> 00:06:22,268.64845182 He sent his son into the world. 53 00:06:23,241.98178515 --> 00:06:27,611.98178515 His son sent out the apostles and the Seventy and the Church. 54 00:06:28,931.98078515 --> 00:06:34,441.98178515 He also sent the Spirit to the church and he sends him into our hearts today. 55 00:06:35,631.98178515 --> 00:06:42,477.63536642 So, the mission of the church arises from the mission of God and is to be modeled on it. 56 00:06:43,97.63536642 --> 00:06:48,587.63536642 As the Father sent me, Jesus said, so I send you. 57 00:06:49,257.63536642 --> 00:06:57,87.63536642 So if we are to understand the nature of the Church's mission, we have to understand the nature of the Son's mission. 58 00:06:58,7.63436642 --> 00:06:59,947.63536642 And that is in two particular respects. 59 00:06:59,957.63536642 --> 00:07:04,177.63536642 First, He sends us into the world. 60 00:07:04,837.63536642 --> 00:07:06,607.63536642 For He was sent into the world. 61 00:07:07,37.63536642 --> 00:07:10,207.63536642 And enter the world He did. 62 00:07:11,172.63536642 --> 00:07:21,332.63536642 He did not touch down like a visitor from outer space, or arrive like an alien bringing his own alien culture with him. 63 00:07:22,462.63536642 --> 00:07:30,322.63536642 He took to himself our humanity, our flesh and blood, and our human culture. 64 00:07:31,652.63536642 --> 00:07:39,692.63536642 Jesus actually became one of us, and he experienced our frailty, our suffering, and our temptation. 65 00:07:40,192.63536642 --> 00:07:44,572.63536642 He even bore our sin and died our death. 66 00:07:45,503.85550968 --> 00:07:58,393.85550968 And now he sends us into the world as he was sent into the world, to identify with others as he identified with us, and to become vulnerable as he did. 67 00:07:58,973.85550968 --> 00:08:12,518.85550968 Surely, brothers and sisters, it is one of our most characteristic evangelical failures that we seldom take seriously this principle of the Incarnation. 68 00:08:13,535.52217635 --> 00:08:30,255.52217635 It comes more natural to us to shout the gospel at people from a distance, than to involve ourselves deeply in their lives, to think ourselves into their problems and into their culture, and to feel with them in their pains. 69 00:08:32,775.60065104 --> 00:08:38,855.60065104 Secondly, Christ sends us into the world to serve, for he came into the world to serve. 70 00:08:40,35.60065104 --> 00:08:43,675.60065104 He didn't just come to seek and to save, not just to preach. 71 00:08:44,155.60065104 --> 00:08:46,505.60065104 He came, generally, to serve. 72 00:08:47,245.59965104 --> 00:08:48,355.60065104 He said so. 73 00:08:49,315.59965104 --> 00:08:57,155.59965104 He said "The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve," and to give his life a ransom for many. 74 00:08:57,735.59965104 --> 00:09:01,225.60065104 What was unique about him was that he gave his life as a ransom. 75 00:09:01,855.60065104 --> 00:09:08,345.59965104 But this supreme atoning sacrifice was the climax of a life of service. 76 00:09:09,755.60065104 --> 00:09:15,485.59965104 And in his public ministry, he proclaimed the Kingdom of God and he taught its implications. 77 00:09:16,95.60065104 --> 00:09:18,645.60065104 He fed hungry mouths. 78 00:09:18,795.60065104 --> 00:09:21,185.60065104 He washed dirty feet. 79 00:09:21,775.60065104 --> 00:09:31,845.60065104 He healed the sick, He comforted the sad, He raised the dead, He gave Himself in selfless service to other people. 80 00:09:32,405.60065104 --> 00:09:39,895.60065104 And now He tells us that as the Father sent Him into the world, He sends us. 81 00:09:40,745.60065104 --> 00:09:46,275.60065104 And therefore, our mission, like His, must be one of service. 82 00:09:47,60.8638782 --> 00:09:49,130.8638782 He emptied Himself of status. 83 00:09:50,45.8638782 --> 00:09:54,875.8638782 And he took the form of a servant, and so, brethren, must we. 84 00:09:55,665.8638782 --> 00:10:04,535.8638782 Jesus supplies us with a perfect model of service, and he sends his church into the world to be a servant church. 85 00:10:05,45.8628782 --> 00:10:22,305.8638782 Don't we need to recover this biblical emphasis? In many of our attitudes and enterprises, we, especially those of us who come from Europe and North America, have tended to be more bosses than servants. 86 00:10:24,115.8638782 --> 00:10:33,65.8638782 But I suggest that it is in our servant role that we can find the right synthesis between evangelism and social action. 87 00:10:33,880.8638782 --> 00:10:43,780.8638782 For both evangelism and social action are authentic expressions of that service which we are sent into the world to give. 88 00:10:44,990.8628782 --> 00:11:08,452.92353123 How then, someone may ask, are we to reconcile this concept of mission as service with the great commission of the risen Lord? I dare to say, at the beginning of this Congress, that we That we sometimes give the Great Commission too prominent a place in our Christian thinking. 89 00:11:10,112.92353123 --> 00:11:12,652.92353123 I beg you not to misunderstand me. 90 00:11:13,592.92253123 --> 00:11:24,712.92353123 I believe as strongly as anybody here that the whole church is under obligation to obey the Lord's Commission, to take the gospel to all the nations. 91 00:11:25,707.92353123 --> 00:11:32,757.92353123 but I'm also concerned that we should not regard it as the only instruction that Jesus gave us. 92 00:11:33,877.92353123 --> 00:11:35,947.92353123 He also quoted Leviticus 19. 93 00:11:36,7.92353123 --> 00:11:41,247.92353123 18, "you shall love your neighbor as yourself", and he called it the second and great commandment. 94 00:11:41,647.92253123 --> 00:11:48,367.92353123 Second in importance only to the first commandment to love God with all our being. 95 00:11:50,57.92353123 --> 00:11:51,987.92353123 Here, then, are two instructions. 96 00:11:52,797.92353123 --> 00:11:59,367.92353123 A great commandment to love our neighbor, and a great commission to go and make disciples. 97 00:11:59,697.92353123 --> 00:12:10,137.92453123 What is the relation between the two? Some of us have thought that they were identical, so that if we share the gospel with somebody, we've completed our responsibility to love him. 98 00:12:11,57.92353123 --> 00:12:20,97.92353123 But no, the great commission neither explains the great commandment, nor exhausts it, nor supersedes it. 99 00:12:21,442.92353123 --> 00:12:28,442.92353123 What it does is to add to the command of neighbor love and neighbor service a new and Christian dimension. 100 00:12:29,152.92353123 --> 00:12:33,642.92253123 So that if we love our neighbor, we shall without doubt tell him the good news of Jesus. 101 00:12:34,432.92353123 --> 00:12:40,557.82353123 But equally, truly, love for our neighbor will not stop there. 102 00:12:41,641.16115263 --> 00:12:50,30.53710376 So the reason for our acceptance of social responsibility is not in order to give the gospel a credibility that it would otherwise lack. 103 00:12:50,460.53710376 --> 00:12:53,990.53610376 It is simple, uncomplicated compassion. 104 00:12:54,700.53610376 --> 00:12:58,290.53610376 Love does not need to justify itself. 105 00:12:59,50.53610376 --> 00:13:05,900.53610376 Love simply expresses itself in service wherever it sees need. 106 00:13:07,725.53710376 --> 00:13:14,95.53710376 Mission, then, is not a word for everything the church does, including, for example, worship. 107 00:13:14,375.53710376 --> 00:13:19,335.53710376 The phrase "church is mission" sounds fine, but it's an overstatement. 108 00:13:20,455.53610376 --> 00:13:24,245.53710376 Nor does mission cover everything that God does in the world. 109 00:13:24,750.53710376 --> 00:13:38,710.53710376 For God is the creator, and God is active in other ways, in providence, in common grace, and in judgment, quite apart from the mission purposes for which he sends his son and his spirit and his church. 110 00:13:39,460.53710376 --> 00:13:48,0.53710376 No, mission describes everything which God sends the church into the world to do. 111 00:13:49,340.53710376 --> 00:13:55,760.53710376 So mission embraces the church's double vocation to be both the salt of the earth and the light of the world. 112 00:13:56,190.53710376 --> 00:14:00,270.53610376 For Christ sends the church into the earth to be its salt. 113 00:14:01,220.53710376 --> 00:14:05,30.53710376 And he sends the church into the world to be its light. 114 00:14:05,850.53610376 --> 00:14:08,400.53710376 And both are included in mission. 115 00:14:09,960.53710376 --> 00:14:11,90.53710376 Now the second word. 116 00:14:13,80.53710376 --> 00:14:14,830.53710376 The second word is Evangelism. 117 00:14:15,490.53710376 --> 00:14:18,130.53610376 And it is an essential part of the church's mission. 118 00:14:18,210.53610376 --> 00:14:28,455.53710376 But what is it? Well, "euangelizamai" means to bring or to announce the euangelion, the good news. 119 00:14:29,265.53710376 --> 00:14:39,425.53710376 Once or twice in the New Testament it's used of secular news items, as when Timothy brought Paul the good news of the Thessalonians loyalty to him. 120 00:14:40,425.53710376 --> 00:14:48,55.53710376 But the regular use of the verb relates to the Christian good news and it is to the spread of the Christian good news. 121 00:14:48,365.53710376 --> 00:14:51,15.53710376 That evangelism relates. 122 00:14:51,175.53710376 --> 00:14:53,515.53710376 And this fact has an important consequence. 123 00:14:54,425.53710376 --> 00:15:04,855.53710376 Evangelism must not be defined in terms of its results, because this is not how it is used in the New Testament. 124 00:15:05,962.20277043 --> 00:15:08,624.24307043 Occasionally, the verb is used absolutely. 125 00:15:08,624.24307043 --> 00:15:15,192.20377043 For example, "there they evangelized", Acts 14:7, meaning there they preached the gospel. 126 00:15:16,317.20377043 --> 00:15:17,917.20377043 Usually something is added. 127 00:15:18,417.20377043 --> 00:15:24,847.20377043 Either the message preached there, they evangelized the word, the message. 128 00:15:25,117.20377043 --> 00:15:27,227.20277043 Or sometimes the people evangelized. 129 00:15:27,537.20377043 --> 00:15:29,927.20277043 The apostles evangelized the villages. 130 00:15:30,297.20377043 --> 00:15:34,867.10377043 And Philip evangelized the towns. 131 00:15:34,867.20377043 --> 00:15:44,447.20377043 Now, there is no mention in these passages whether the word which was evangelized was believed, or whether the inhabitants of the towns and the villages were converted. 132 00:15:44,702.30377043 --> 00:15:54,782.20277043 To evangelize, in biblical usage, does not mean to win converts, as it often does when we use the word. 133 00:15:55,272.20377043 --> 00:16:01,762.20377043 Evangelism is the announcement of the good news, irrespective of the results. 134 00:16:03,170.53710376 --> 00:16:03,680.53710376 Now, Dr. 135 00:16:03,680.53710376 --> 00:16:21,270.53710376 Packer, in his book Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God has just criticized the famous definition of evangelism, that to evangelize is so to present Christ Jesus in the part of the spirit that men shall come to put their trust in God through him. 136 00:16:22,140.53710376 --> 00:16:25,890.53710376 But he says this is to define evangelism in terms of success. 137 00:16:26,510.53710376 --> 00:16:33,300.53710376 To evangelize in biblical terms is not so to preach that something happens. 138 00:16:34,330.53710376 --> 00:16:37,740.53710376 Now, again, my beloved brethren, don't misunderstand me. 139 00:16:37,860.53710376 --> 00:16:41,270.5361038 We earnestly desire that something will happen. 140 00:16:41,800.5361038 --> 00:16:44,890.5371038 That people will respond and that they will believe. 141 00:16:45,460.5371038 --> 00:16:51,220.5371038 And that is why we not only proclaim Christ, but we persuade men. 142 00:16:52,25.5371038 --> 00:16:54,995.5371038 And we plead with them to be reconciled to God. 143 00:16:55,495.5371038 --> 00:17:04,915.5371038 But at the same time, we must not confuse an objective, what we want to happen, with a consequence, what actually does happen. 144 00:17:06,945.5371038 --> 00:17:19,425.5371038 And the World Congress on Evangelism at Berlin correctly declared that evangelism is the proclamation of the gospel with the purpose of persuading sinners to put their trust in Christ. 145 00:17:20,530.5371038 --> 00:17:30,530.5371038 If we want to be biblically accurate, we must insist that the essence of evangelism lies in the faithful proclamation of the gospel. 146 00:17:31,190.5371038 --> 00:17:41,720.5371038 It is with a view to persuasion, indeed, but it is still evangelism whether in fact men are persuaded to embrace it or not. 147 00:17:43,300.5371038 --> 00:17:48,450.5371038 Instead, evangelism must be defined in terms of the message. 148 00:17:50,555.5371038 --> 00:17:55,175.5371038 Therefore, biblical evangelism necessitates the biblical evangel. 149 00:17:55,565.5371038 --> 00:18:05,65.5371038 And nothing hinders evangelism today more than the widespread loss of confidence in the truth, relevance, and power of the gospel. 150 00:18:06,55.5371038 --> 00:18:13,115.5371038 And despite all the rich diversity of its formulation in the New Testament, there is only one New Testament gospel. 151 00:18:13,315.5371038 --> 00:18:18,725.5371038 And in a single word, God's good news is Jesus. 152 00:18:19,695.5371038 --> 00:18:29,765.5371038 Jesus is the heart and soul of the gospel, and that's why Philip told the Ethiopians simply the good news of Jesus. 153 00:18:30,765.5361038 --> 00:18:40,315.5371038 But how did the apostles present Jesus? I suggest to you that the good news of the New Testament contains at least four elements. 154 00:18:40,955.5371038 --> 00:18:48,115.5371038 And first: there were the gospel events, primarily the death and resurrection of Jesus. 155 00:18:48,785.5371038 --> 00:18:59,285.5371038 Sometimes, the apostles began with a reference to the life and ministry of the man Jesus, and usually they went on to his enthronement as Lord and his return as Judge. 156 00:18:59,505.5371038 --> 00:19:02,535.5371038 But their message focused upon his death and resurrection. 157 00:19:03,375.5371038 --> 00:19:12,345.5371038 Moreover, they didn't proclaim these as non theological history, as some people say, just you killed him but God raised him. 158 00:19:12,545.5371038 --> 00:19:15,545.4371038 No, they already had a doctrine of both. 159 00:19:16,745.5371038 --> 00:19:31,665.5371038 His death was according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, and the cross they deliberately called a tree to indicate the divine curse for sin under which he died. 160 00:19:32,545.5371038 --> 00:19:42,485.5361038 While the resurrection was a divine vindication, snatching him from the place of a curse to the place of honor and authority at the right hand of God. 161 00:19:42,845.5371038 --> 00:19:44,765.5371038 The gospel events. 162 00:19:45,605.5361038 --> 00:19:47,425.5371038 Second: the gospel witnesses. 163 00:19:48,895.5371038 --> 00:19:58,635.5371038 That is, the apostles proclaimed the death and resurrection of Jesus, both according to the scriptures of the Old Testament and according to the evidence of their own eyes. 164 00:19:58,855.5371038 --> 00:20:02,315.5371038 "We are witnesses of these things", they said. 165 00:20:03,275.5371038 --> 00:20:11,565.5371038 So today you and I have no liberty to preach Christ crucified and risen according to our own fancy or according to our own experience. 166 00:20:12,565.5371038 --> 00:20:16,605.5371038 The only Christ there is to preach is the biblical Christ. 167 00:20:16,745.6371038 --> 00:20:26,455.5361038 Christ, the objective historical Jesus, attested by the joint witness of the prophets of the Old Testament and the apostles of the New. 168 00:20:26,715.5361038 --> 00:20:29,485.5371038 And our witness is secondary to theirs. 169 00:20:29,485.6371038 --> 00:20:32,845.5361038 The Gospel witnesses. 170 00:20:33,635.5361038 --> 00:20:35,275.5371038 Thirdly: the Gospel promises. 171 00:20:36,115.5371038 --> 00:20:42,565.5371038 The Good News concerns not just the historic Jesus, but the contemporary Christ. 172 00:20:43,375.5371038 --> 00:20:49,945.5371038 Not just what he once did in death and resurrection, but what he now offers as a result. 173 00:20:50,35.5371038 --> 00:20:58,695.5371038 And what is this? According to Peter, it is the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. 174 00:20:59,965.5361038 --> 00:21:09,715.5371038 Salvation is more than this, but it certainly is not less than the remission of past guilt and the gift of an entirely new life of freedom. 175 00:21:10,240.5371038 --> 00:21:13,670.5371038 Through the regenerating and indwelling spirit. 176 00:21:14,950.5371038 --> 00:21:17,920.5371038 The gospel promises. 177 00:21:18,200.5371038 --> 00:21:22,930.5371038 Fourthly: the gospel demands repentance and faith. 178 00:21:24,400.5371038 --> 00:21:29,720.5371038 And Peter added, "Be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ." 179 00:21:30,270.5371038 --> 00:21:38,470.4371038 The apostles certainly never had a mechanical view of baptism, but they always set it in its context of repentance and faith. 180 00:21:38,470.6371038 --> 00:21:48,740.5371038 And they were required to submit to baptism in the very name of Jesus, whom they had previously repudiated and killed. 181 00:21:49,600.5371038 --> 00:21:59,320.5371038 So whatever baptism signifies, it certainly was and is a token of, public token, of repentance and faith in Jesus. 182 00:22:00,640.5371038 --> 00:22:13,95.5371038 Now it's true of course that salvation is by grace alone and through faith alone, but this saving faith is a total, penitent, submissive commitment to Jesus. 183 00:22:14,195.5361038 --> 00:22:21,475.5361038 And it would have been inconceivable to the apostles that people could believe in Jesus as Savior and not submit to Him as Lord. 184 00:22:21,785.5371038 --> 00:22:28,235.5371038 You can't chop Jesus Christ up into bits and then respond only to one of the bits. 185 00:22:29,170.5371038 --> 00:22:37,540.5371038 The object of our saving faith is the whole and undivided person of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. 186 00:22:38,703.5745632 --> 00:22:42,303.5745632 So what is evangelism? It's sharing the good news of Jesus. 187 00:22:43,333.5745632 --> 00:22:48,453.5745632 The Jesus we announce is the one who died for our sins and was raised from the dead. 188 00:22:48,853.5745632 --> 00:22:52,243.5745632 According to the scriptures of the Old Testament and the New Testament. 189 00:22:52,928.5745632 --> 00:23:04,278.5745632 And on the basis of his death and resurrection, he offers forgiveness and the gift of the Spirit to all those who repent and believe and are baptized. 190 00:23:05,378.5745632 --> 00:23:05,978.5745632 Mission. 191 00:23:06,978.5745632 --> 00:23:08,48.5745632 Evangelism. 192 00:23:08,298.5745632 --> 00:23:10,948.5745632 My third word is dialogue. 193 00:23:12,898.5745632 --> 00:23:25,633.5745632 Is there any room in the proclamation of the good news for dialogue? During the past decade or two, the concept of dialogue with men of other faiths has become the ecumenical fashion. 194 00:23:26,503.5745632 --> 00:23:31,533.5745632 And we evangelicals have tended to react very sharply against it. 195 00:23:32,533.5745632 --> 00:23:43,303.5745632 Is our negative reaction justified? Well, our main fear is that the uniqueness and the finality of Christ. 196 00:23:43,678.5745632 --> 00:23:47,528.5745632 Tends to be muted by those who are calling the church to dialogue. 197 00:23:48,268.5745632 --> 00:23:56,328.5745632 For then, evangelism gives way to syncretism, and the proclamation of the truth is replaced by a common search for truth. 198 00:23:58,179.1163203 --> 00:24:02,339.1153203 And the most extreme ecumenical statement I've read of this is by Professor J. 199 00:24:02,339.1163203 --> 00:24:02,539.1158203 G. 200 00:24:02,539.1158203 --> 00:24:08,269.1163203 Davis of Birmingham, who says that "openness is a prerequisite of dialogue". 201 00:24:08,639.1163203 --> 00:24:22,859.1163203 So he says, "if I engage in dialogue with a Buddhist The Buddhists may come to accept Jesus as Lord, or I may come to accept the authority of the Buddha, or we may both end up as agnostics." 202 00:24:23,869.1163203 --> 00:24:28,209.1163203 And he says, "unless we are open to those possibilities, there's no dialogue." 203 00:24:28,909.1153203 --> 00:24:30,229.1153203 Well, that's ludicrous. 204 00:24:31,699.1153203 --> 00:24:36,319.1153203 No evangelical Christian could accept this kind of uncommitted openness. 205 00:24:37,284.1163203 --> 00:24:47,584.1163203 If we enter into dialogue with a non Christian, we enter it as committed men, unashamedly committed to Jesus Christ. 206 00:24:48,504.1163203 --> 00:24:54,124.1163203 The paragraph on dialogue in the Uppsala report expressed this point very well. 207 00:24:55,24.1173203 --> 00:25:06,609.1163203 It said "a Christian's dialogue With a non Christian implies neither a denial of the uniqueness of Christ nor any loss of his own commitment to Christ." 208 00:25:08,29.1163203 --> 00:25:14,99.1153203 Why then should Christians engage in dialogue with non Christians? Well here are some words from Mexico 63. 209 00:25:16,269.1163203 --> 00:25:23,809.1163203 "True dialogue with a man of another faith requires a concern both for the gospel and for the other man. 210 00:25:24,409.1163203 --> 00:25:27,839.1163203 Without the first, dialogue becomes a pleasant conversation. 211 00:25:28,819.1163203 --> 00:25:34,309.1163203 Without the second, it becomes irrelevant, unconvincing, or arrogant." 212 00:25:36,19.1163203 --> 00:25:43,539.1163203 So a genuinely Christian approach to others must be human, personal, relevant, and humble. 213 00:25:44,479.1163203 --> 00:25:50,989.0163203 And it's these Christian qualities which I fear is sometimes missing in our evangelical evangelism. 214 00:25:52,199.1163203 --> 00:26:05,789.1153203 Brethren, we often give the impression to other people of being glib and brash, and our critics accuse us of a wide variety of horrid attitudes like paternalism and imperialism. 215 00:26:07,445.7829869 --> 00:26:33,253.3280931 If dialogue is a serious conversation in which we're prepared to listen as well as speak is it not an indispensable aspect of truly Christian evangelism? The gospel is invariable in its substance, but the way we approach people and the way we explain things to them is bound to vary, unless we're totally lacking in sensitivity. 216 00:26:34,993.3280931 --> 00:26:41,463.3290931 "Dialogue", writes Canon Max Warren, "is in its very essence an attempt at mutual listening. 217 00:26:42,193.3290931 --> 00:26:48,963.3290931 Listening in order to understand, and understanding is its reward." 218 00:26:50,468.3290931 --> 00:27:03,216.5109113 So dialogue becomes a token of Christian humility and love, because it indicates our resolve to rid our minds of the prejudices and the caricatures that we may entertain of the other man. 219 00:27:04,221.9644567 --> 00:27:15,751.9644567 Our resolve is to struggle to listen through his ears and to see through his eyes, so as to grasp what prevents him from hearing the gospel and seeing Jesus. 220 00:27:16,661.9654567 --> 00:27:21,341.9654567 Our resolve is to sympathize with him in his doubts and in his fears. 221 00:27:23,21.9654567 --> 00:27:32,631.9654567 Once again, it's the challenge of the Incarnation to renounce evangelism by inflexible slogans. 222 00:27:33,561.9654567 --> 00:27:40,301.9654567 And instead to involve ourselves sensitively in the real dilemmas of men. 223 00:27:41,916.5109113 --> 00:27:44,86.5109113 That brings me to the fourth word, Salvation. 224 00:27:44,978.7836385 --> 00:27:48,288.7836385 Because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. 225 00:27:49,58.7836385 --> 00:27:54,688.7836385 Many people we know are embarrassed by salvation words, and others say they are meaningless today. 226 00:27:55,442.406809 --> 00:28:02,672.405809 So there are not wanting those in the contemporary church determined to translate the word salvation into a more modern idiom. 227 00:28:02,912.405809 --> 00:28:08,962.406809 Which is fine and necessary, provided we remain loyal to the biblical revelation. 228 00:28:10,652.406809 --> 00:28:15,712.406809 Because a translation is one thing, it's the old message in new words. 229 00:28:16,292.406809 --> 00:28:20,152.406809 A fresh composition is something quite different. 230 00:28:21,299.0724757 --> 00:28:28,909.0734757 Firstly then, some people say that salvation means psychophysical health or wholeness. 231 00:28:29,674.0734757 --> 00:28:37,394.0734757 They point out that Jesus said to the woman with the issue of blood, to blind Bartimaeus and a leprosy sufferer, your faith has saved you. 232 00:28:38,34.0734757 --> 00:28:43,214.0734757 Which, in each case, the King James Version translates, "your faith has made you whole". 233 00:28:44,321.345203 --> 00:28:52,81.346203 But we need to know that the same salvation words are used in the Gospels of deliverance from drowning and from death. 234 00:28:53,314.14107 --> 00:29:08,804.14107 Are we then to argue from these uses of the verb that to save, or the salvation that Christ offers is a composite rescue from physical ills of all kinds, including disease and drowning and death. 235 00:29:09,954.14007 --> 00:29:10,664.14007 No. 236 00:29:11,484.14107 --> 00:29:16,704.14007 Salvation by faith in Christ crucified and risen is moral, not material. 237 00:29:17,284.14007 --> 00:29:20,374.14007 It's a deliverance from sin, not from harm. 238 00:29:20,374.14007 --> 00:29:38,114.14107 And the reason Jesus said your faith has saved you to both categories, is that his works of physical rescue from disease, death, and drowning were intentional signs of his salvation and were understood by the early church to be such. 239 00:29:39,684.14107 --> 00:30:09,729.14107 Now in saying this, I do not deny that disease and death are alien intrusions into God's world, nor that God heals, nor that new life in Christ can bring a new physical and emotional well being, nor as psychosomatic conditions due to stress and resentment are cured, nor do I deny that at the consummation of all things, when we're given new bodies and we enter a new society, we shall be rid of disease and death forever. 240 00:30:10,815.8067367 --> 00:30:20,675.8077367 What I am saying is that the salvation offered in and through Jesus Christ today is not a complete psychophysical wholeness. 241 00:30:21,755.8077367 --> 00:30:26,905.8077367 And to maintain that it is, is to anticipate the resurrection. 242 00:30:28,125.8077367 --> 00:30:35,325.8077367 Secondly, others are saying that salvation means, or at least includes, socio political liberation. 243 00:30:35,785.8067367 --> 00:30:40,445.8077367 Not now health for the individual, but justice for the community. 244 00:30:41,605.8077367 --> 00:30:47,585.8077367 At Uppsala, 68, the goal of mission was defined in terms of humanisation. 245 00:30:48,515.8077367 --> 00:31:01,800.615582 After Uppsala in 1970, it was said that "God's salvation of mankind in Christ encompasses the development of all men's faith and institutions and structures." 246 00:31:03,560.615582 --> 00:31:09,920.615582 At Bangkok, it was emphasized that "God's liberating power changes persons and structures." 247 00:31:10,855.615582 --> 00:31:21,276.8836056 And therefore they said "we see the struggles for economic justice, political freedom, cultural renewal as elements in the total liberation of the world through the mission of God." 248 00:31:22,77.7926965 --> 00:31:28,867.7926965 Humanization, development, wholeness, liberation, justice. 249 00:31:30,12.7926965 --> 00:31:38,202.7926965 Now let me say at once that all these are not only desirable goals, but Christians should be actively involved in pursuing them. 250 00:31:38,572.7926965 --> 00:31:46,682.7926965 And we evangelicals have often been guilty of opting out of our social and political responsibilities. 251 00:31:46,912.7916965 --> 00:31:50,722.7926965 And we are to blame for this neglect. 252 00:31:50,992.7926965 --> 00:31:52,242.7926965 We should repent of it. 253 00:31:52,772.7926965 --> 00:31:56,262.7926965 And we should not be afraid to challenge ourselves and others. 254 00:31:56,682.7926965 --> 00:32:15,942.7926965 that God may be calling many more Christians than hear his call to immerse themselves in the secular world of politics and economics and sociology and race relations and preventive medicine and development and a host of other such spheres for Christ. 255 00:32:17,12.7926965 --> 00:32:25,812.7926965 But, these things do not constitute the salvation which God is offering the world in and through Christ. 256 00:32:26,937.7926965 --> 00:32:47,667.7926965 They may be included in the mission of God insofar as Christians are giving themselves to serve in those fields, but to call 'social activism' evangelism, or to call 'socio political liberation' salvation, this is to be guilty of a gross theological confusion. 257 00:32:49,267.7926965 --> 00:32:52,247.7926965 It is to mix what Scripture keeps distinct. 258 00:32:52,787.7926965 --> 00:32:56,57.7926965 Namely, God the Creator and God the Redeemer. 259 00:32:56,587.7926965 --> 00:33:10,857.7916965 The God of creation and the God of the covenants, justice and justification, common grace and saving grace, the reformation of society and the regeneration of the individual. 260 00:33:11,911.1260298 --> 00:33:26,461.1260298 Thirdly, if biblical salvation is neither psychophysical wholeness nor sociopolitical liberation, it is a personal freedom from sin and its consequences. 261 00:33:28,61.1260298 --> 00:33:31,651.1260298 Now freedom is as popular a word today as salvation is unpopular. 262 00:33:31,971.1260298 --> 00:33:36,191.1250298 And it's unfortunate that many people think of freedom in negative terms. 263 00:33:36,571.1250298 --> 00:33:44,1.1260298 And one of the Christian's best contributions to the debate about freedom is to insist that we think of it positively. 264 00:33:44,601.1260298 --> 00:33:50,241.1260298 In terms not just of what we're set free from, but of what we're set free for. 265 00:33:50,881.1260298 --> 00:33:56,851.1260298 Let me touch briefly on the three tenses of salvation. 266 00:33:58,91.1260298 --> 00:34:06,481.1260298 Firstly, we have been saved from the wrath of God and the just judgment of God upon our sins. 267 00:34:06,491.1270298 --> 00:34:07,991.1250298 That's justification. 268 00:34:08,641.1260298 --> 00:34:09,651.1250298 But it doesn't stop there. 269 00:34:11,441.1250298 --> 00:34:15,221.1260298 To justification is added adoption into the family of God. 270 00:34:15,731.1260298 --> 00:34:17,951.1260298 We were slaves under the curse of the law. 271 00:34:18,1.1260298 --> 00:34:19,471.1260298 We become sons. 272 00:34:19,651.1260298 --> 00:34:29,361.1260298 We enjoy a new freedom of happy access to God as our Father, and the Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we're the free children of God. 273 00:34:30,597.7926965 --> 00:34:32,877.7916965 Secondly, we are being served. 274 00:34:33,517.7926965 --> 00:34:40,307.7926965 Gradually but surely the indwelling Spirit is liberating us from the bondage of our own self centeredness. 275 00:34:42,352.7926965 --> 00:34:44,882.7926965 But again, we need to emphasize the positive. 276 00:34:44,982.7926965 --> 00:34:50,502.7926965 What for? In order to give ourselves in the service of God and man. 277 00:34:50,952.7926965 --> 00:34:53,432.7926965 We exchange one slavery for another. 278 00:34:53,842.7926965 --> 00:34:56,412.7916965 We were the slaves of sin and of self. 279 00:34:57,42.7926965 --> 00:35:00,292.7916965 But we've become the willing slaves of God. 280 00:35:00,532.7916965 --> 00:35:04,492.7916965 And your slaves as well, for Jesus sake. 281 00:35:06,32.7916965 --> 00:35:19,382.7926965 And we should emphasize more than we often do, we That we cannot claim to be saved from self if we do not then abandon ourselves in the selfless service of God and man. 282 00:35:19,852.7916965 --> 00:35:22,742.7926965 Thirdly, our final salvation lies in the future. 283 00:35:24,182.7916965 --> 00:35:36,22.7906965 It's not only that we shall be delivered from the wrath to come, but also from the whole process of decay in creation and from all evil, whether in ourselves or in society. 284 00:35:37,192.7926965 --> 00:35:39,52.7926965 For we're going to get new bodies. 285 00:35:39,792.7926965 --> 00:35:42,362.7926965 There's going to be a new heaven and a new earth. 286 00:35:43,52.7926965 --> 00:35:53,412.7926965 And then we shall experience, and the whole creation too, what Paul calls 'the liberty of the glory of the children of God.' 287 00:35:53,752.7926965 --> 00:36:04,482.7926965 So you see, brethren, that in each phase of salvation, Scripture lays its emphasis not just on our rescue from wrath, from self, from decay. 288 00:36:05,337.7926965 --> 00:36:26,957.7926965 But on the freedom that such rescue will bring, freedom to approach God as our father, freedom to give ourselves in service, and finally the freedom of glory when rid of all the limitations of our flesh and blood existence, we can devote ourselves without reserve to the service of God and each other. 289 00:36:27,887.7926965 --> 00:36:30,317.7926965 Are we saved? Yes. 290 00:36:30,827.7926965 --> 00:36:32,507.7926965 And we rejoice. 291 00:36:33,727.7926965 --> 00:36:36,277.7926965 Are we saved? No. 292 00:36:37,357.7926965 --> 00:36:44,817.7926965 And in this body and in this society we groan inwardly as we wait for the consummation. 293 00:36:44,877.7926965 --> 00:36:49,127.7926965 We rejoice and we groan. 294 00:36:50,467.7916965 --> 00:37:01,837.7916965 And this is the paradoxical experience of Christians who have been saved and are being saved and at the same time are not yet saved. 295 00:37:03,442.7926965 --> 00:37:14,202.7926965 And it brings me fifth and lastly to the word Conversion, which indicates that the announcement of the good news of salvation requires a response. 296 00:37:15,932.7926965 --> 00:37:27,142.7926965 We must reject as hopelessly unbiblical the notion that all men have already been saved by Christ and that the only function of evangelism is to acquaint the ignorant with this good news. 297 00:37:28,532.7916965 --> 00:37:29,262.7916965 No, no. 298 00:37:29,262.8916965 --> 00:37:29,397.6926965 No, no. 299 00:37:29,877.7926965 --> 00:37:40,97.7926965 The God who reconciled us through Jesus Christ to himself now bids us beg people on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 300 00:37:41,197.7926965 --> 00:37:57,602.8440891 And what validity would such an appeal have if those who hear it are already reconciled to God, but simply do not know it? If God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, we must be in Christ by faith in order to receive the reconciliation. 301 00:37:58,607.8440891 --> 00:38:04,147.8440891 It is impossible to be a Biblical Christian and a Universalist simultaneously. 302 00:38:05,185.160249 --> 00:38:14,895.160249 We may, and I think we should, preserve a certain humble and reverent agnosticism about the precise nature of hell, as about the precise nature of heaven. 303 00:38:15,105.159249 --> 00:38:17,665.159249 Both are beyond our finite understanding. 304 00:38:18,445.159249 --> 00:38:26,175.160249 But clear and dogmatic we must be that hell is an awful and eternal reality. 305 00:38:27,660.160249 --> 00:38:32,210.160249 It is not dogmatism that is unbecoming in speaking about the fact of hell. 306 00:38:33,80.160249 --> 00:38:35,960.160249 It is glibness and frivolity. 307 00:38:36,790.160249 --> 00:38:50,10.3375852 How can we even think about hell without tears? If then a response to the gospel is necessary, this response is conversion, and it means to turn. 308 00:38:50,845.3375852 --> 00:38:58,695.3375852 In secular Greek it is used to turn round or to return from one place to another, and theologically it has the same meaning. 309 00:38:59,165.3375852 --> 00:39:06,535.3365852 To turn from sin and idols, which is repentance, and to turn to God and Christ, which is faith. 310 00:39:07,85.3365852 --> 00:39:12,535.3375852 So the biblical equation is that repentance plus faith equals conversion. 311 00:39:14,315.3375852 --> 00:39:18,115.3375852 And as we consider this, I issue three warnings. 312 00:39:18,486.8195659 --> 00:39:22,506.8195659 First, conversion is not a work that man can do by himself. 313 00:39:23,206.8195659 --> 00:39:30,884.545757 Repentance and faith are not only the duty of men, but in Scripture they're also the gifts of God. 314 00:39:31,694.545757 --> 00:39:37,164.545757 Secondly, conversion is not the renunciation of all our inherited culture. 315 00:39:38,714.544757 --> 00:39:39,814.545757 Conversion involves repentance. 316 00:39:41,39.545757 --> 00:39:45,848.8085257 But we need to specify what it is that we are called upon to renounce. 317 00:39:46,157.7200903 --> 00:39:54,577.7200903 Sometimes we seem to expect the convert to step right out of his former culture into a Christian subculture which is totally distinctive. 318 00:39:54,787.7200903 --> 00:39:59,627.7200903 Sometimes we even expect him to withdraw from the real world altogether. 319 00:40:00,557.7200903 --> 00:40:05,437.7200903 Conversion shouldn't take the Christian out of the world, but send him back into it. 320 00:40:06,487.7200903 --> 00:40:08,547.7200903 The same person in the same world. 321 00:40:09,652.7200903 --> 00:40:14,32.7200903 And yet a new person with new convictions and new standards. 322 00:40:14,312.7200903 --> 00:40:22,962.7190903 Jesus says, Come! And immediately adds, Go! Go back into the world from which you have come. 323 00:40:23,822.7200903 --> 00:40:28,782.7200903 And in both East and West, it's vital for us to distinguish between scripture and culture. 324 00:40:29,572.7200903 --> 00:40:35,752.7200903 And between those things in culture that are evil and must be renounced, and those things are good and can be returned. 325 00:40:37,142.7200903 --> 00:40:51,942.7200903 In the West, according to the authors of the book God's Lively People, we seem to expect new converts to abandon their contemporary behavior and adopt a new lifestyle, which turns out to be not new at all, but very old. 326 00:40:52,22.7200903 --> 00:40:57,762.7200903 I quote, "the new Christian has to learn the old hymns and appreciate them. 327 00:40:58,42.7200903 --> 00:41:00,42.7200903 He has to learn the language of the pulpit. 328 00:41:00,542.7200903 --> 00:41:04,422.7200903 He has to share in some conservative political opinions. 329 00:41:04,947.7200903 --> 00:41:07,727.7200903 He has to dress a bit old fashioned. 330 00:41:08,457.7200903 --> 00:41:16,557.7200903 In brief, he has to step back two generations and undergo what one may call a painful cultural circumcision." 331 00:41:17,613.843702 --> 00:41:27,673.843702 And in the third world too, and wherever a non Christian religion dominates a country's culture, we need great wisdom to discern between what can be retained and what must be renounced. 332 00:41:28,618.843702 --> 00:41:30,68.843702 We cannot agree with Dr. 333 00:41:30,108.843702 --> 00:41:30,318.843702 M. 334 00:41:30,318.843702 --> 00:41:30,498.843702 M. 335 00:41:30,538.843702 --> 00:41:37,548.843702 Thomas call for a Christ centered fellowship of faith and ethics in the Hindu religious community. 336 00:41:38,548.843702 --> 00:41:50,598.843702 And Bishop Leslie Newbegin is right to call this proposal quite unrealistic and to insist that a man who is religiously, culturally, and socially part of the Hindu community is a Hindu. 337 00:41:51,532.4791703 --> 00:41:53,922.4791703 But I think we can agree with Bishop Kenneth Craig. 338 00:41:54,792.4791703 --> 00:42:04,532.4791703 Who, against a Muslim rather than a Hindu background, writes, Baptism does not properly understood de- culturalize the new believer. 339 00:42:05,62.4781703 --> 00:42:07,312.4791703 It end- churches him. 340 00:42:08,723.5171436 --> 00:42:10,573.5161436 And thirdly, conversion is not the end. 341 00:42:10,633.5171436 --> 00:42:16,3.5171436 It's the beginning of a new life of membership of the church and involvement in the world. 342 00:42:16,133.5171436 --> 00:42:16,963.5171436 So I finish. 343 00:42:17,553.5171436 --> 00:42:20,403.5171436 This is the nature of biblical evangelism. 344 00:42:21,63.5171436 --> 00:42:25,753.5171436 It's part of God's mission, through God's church, in God's world. 345 00:42:26,243.5171436 --> 00:42:32,363.5171436 It's the spreading of the exciting good news of Jesus, crucified, risen and reigning. 346 00:42:33,93.5171436 --> 00:42:43,563.5171436 It includes the kind of dialogue in which we listen humbly and sensitively in order to understand the other person and learn how to present Christ to him meaningfully. 347 00:42:44,693.5171436 --> 00:42:56,623.5171436 It is the offer on the ground of the work of Christ of a salvation that is both a present possession and a future prospect, both a liberation from self and a liberation for God and man. 348 00:42:57,213.5171436 --> 00:43:05,53.5171436 And it invites, no, it demands a total response of repentance and faith called conversion. 349 00:43:06,463.5171436 --> 00:43:15,283.5171436 The beginning of an altogether new life in Christ, in the Church, and in the world. 350 00:43:16,393.5171436 --> 00:43:16,973.5171436 Hallelujah. 351 00:43:18,947.9810856 --> 00:43:22,337.9810856 But I hope that you enjoyed this episode of the Lausanne Movement Podcast. 352 00:43:22,697.9810856 --> 00:43:29,117.9810856 If you liked this episode, why don't you take a moment to give us a rating and review? And give us a shout out on social media. 353 00:43:29,797.9810856 --> 00:43:37,787.9810856 next week, we'll be back with another episode that we hope will inspire you to accelerate global mission within your own space. 354 00:43:38,507.9810856 --> 00:43:39,467.9810856 Until next week.
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