March 10, 2025 • 45 mins
Relive the highlights of our Nicolas Cage movie deep dive in this special compilation episode!
We're revisiting the best (and weirdest) bits from our discussions on films like Vampire's Kiss, Face Off, the infamous Wicker Man remake, and the surprisingly moving Pig.
Expect peak "coming of cage" moments, our takes on Nicolas Cage's filmography, his two-headed snake, and vampire theories. Perfect for die-hard Nic Cage fans or anyone curious about a podcast covering Nicolas Cage films.
Get ready for laughs, insights (questionable), and all the Cage rage you can handle!
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Right, we're back. It's a brand new theme. It is.
(00:01):
It's a brand new season.
Mhm.
It's a brand new year.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. It's 2025, Sarah.
Well,
for the listener.
Yeah.
We're still in the thick of um build up to Christmas technically, but yeah, by the time this goes out, that's crazy.
Yes, I know.
We're so organized.
Well, I know. I couldn't be more excited for this one. I'll be honest with you. Uh I think at the end of our last main episode. What was it? Almost famous. You coined a phrase from coming of age to coming of cage.
Yeah.
So, we've got eight Nicholas Cage movies to go through.
Which is like what 0.2% of his filmography.
It was It was so hard to get it down to eight.
Yeah, I bet.
There are a few that I I was considering which we'll probably go through in a rap show in 8 nine weeks time.
Well, we've already covered two Nick Cage films unintentionally.
Yeah. Which were
uh Dream Scenario.
(00:22):
Yeah.
And Conair. Both your seasons.
Oh, they were both. You're right. So, at the end of this season, we would have covered 10 Nicholas Cage films in total.
All chosen by you.
Yeah. Brilliant.
You're sitting there in your Nicholas and the Cages fake band t-shirt as well.
My new favorite appearal.
Apparel.
Apparel.
Apparel.
Yeah. T-shirt never coming off.
Never.
This is remaining on my person. at all times.
Oh, that's going to get stinky.
No, cuz I'm going to buy multiple of the same t-shirt and just have each like wash one and then wear one and then wash one and wear one.
You're going to be that guy.
Yeah, I'm going to be the guy that wears Nicholas and the Cages band t-shirt guy
until you find a better Nicholas Cage t-shirt.
I don't think Have you seen this Nicholas Cage t-shirt?
Looking at it right now.
I don't think you can improve upon this.
(00:43):
It is perfection. Yeah, you're correct.
Um, it Yeah, it was super difficult. to whittle it down to eight just eight movies. Uh today we're covering Vampires Kiss from 1988.
Oh, we sure are.
Uh so I thought we would start with that one because I I had an idea of doing this one in chronological order uh in terms of when the movie was was released.
Never done that before,
but I thought it would be appropriate and fun to do it for an actor season. It's our first also our first actor season.
Haven't done that before. Little bit different.
Mhm.
So yeah, I I've been going through his filmography for the last couple of weeks and managed to get it down to eight. If you want to see that full lineup, then it's available on our Patreon as a free member. You don't have to be a paid member, but it's if you want to see it, it's over there.
But we'd like you more if you were.
Well, yeah, of course. We'd like you more if you paid us.
Not not that there's any sort of favoritism going on, but if there were.
Yeah.
Okay. So, this one is first because this is chronological and this is 1988.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1988.
But what made you choose the film itself?
Before we get our teeth stuck into the movie.
Oh, see what you did there.
I'm going to attempt to on each episode find three facts about Nicholas Cage. Confirm that they are actually correct. Hopefully from the horse's mouth.
Okay.
Uh in this case, the horse being Nicholas
(01:04):
himself. Yeah.
Yeah.
I imagine that's quite difficult to do because there must be so much floating around. That's absolute bollocks but sounds like it could be true.
Yeah.
And the inverse must be true as well. Like there must be so much that's wildly nonsensical but is actual fact.
Yeah. It's going to be one like if you did a would I lie to you and you did three Nicholas Cage facts. Impossible.
Impossible to tell which one's which. Which one's true and which one's fake. Um so yeah, I'm going to try and find 24 facts that are actual facts and not just internet nonsense.
Okay.
Three per episode. So I've got three here for bought this one just to get us going. Now, a lot of it I imagine if you're a film fan, you probably know a lot of these already, but just to sort of wet our cage
wet our whistles.
Cage whistles.
So, you know, Nicholas Cage is a coppler.
Yep.
Um, he changed his name from Coppella to cage. Do you know why he did that?
Um, because he went forward in time and saw Megalopouloolis and thought, I don't want to be associated with this bag of s***. and then went back in time and changed his name.
Yes, that's exactly why. Is it? Am I right?
That's exactly why. Yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah.
So, he went to high school with Paulie Shaw. You say
he went to high school with Pauly Shaw. Yeah. And they were neighbors in Las Vegas during the pandemic. So, can you
(01:25):
Oh my god.
Can you imagine the parties, can't you? Pauly Shaw and Nicholas Cage.
I No, I'm not imagining parties.
What are you imagining then?
I'm imagining the two of them just running around the streets yelling things whilst wearing dressing gowns. We the Joo.
Yeah.
And I'll be back.
No. Wheezing the
which incidentally was a working one of our um before we chose the name Shooter Hostage. We the Juice was one of the titles that we were like maybe we'll call ourselves Weez in the Juice.
I'm kind of glad we s*** canned that in hindsight.
Oh yeah.
Yeah. A little bit.
Oh, I would have been happy with it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with our name now, but like we in the Juice,
it was fun.
We'd have to say here. Welcome to Weeze in the Juice all the time. It's such a bizarre word. People think you're crazy.
Yeah.
What's your podcast called? Oh, we in the Juice.
What's that about?
What does that mean?
Couldn't tell you. Okay, so Neighbors during the pandemic. Interesting. God, can you imagine if they had to like isolate together? I would say they would both go insane, but we might already be there.
(01:46):
I'd watch that show.
Oh, yeah. Sure.
That's like I'm I'm not a fan of reality TV. However,
if you pitched something like that, I'm all in. If you'd told me in 1996 when I just watched The Rock for the 37th time that in 30 years time you're going to think that Nicholas Cage is more insane than Paulie Shaw. I thought you were insane.
Yeah,
honestly because
Pauly Shaw is really boring.
Yeah, probably. So, I got one more I got one more fact for you and you you again you probably know this, but he once owned and may still own Haven't confirmed that. But he once owned a two-headed snake.
I did not know that. A live two-headed snake or like a taxiderermy one?
No. A real live breathing two-headed snake.
You know, when you said all of this stuff is coming from the horse's mouth. Do we know that he's not trolling us?
We can't be certain. I I just have to take him at face value.
I Okay. Yeah.
But the the the interesting is such an interesting guy and you'll understand like if you're going to pick an actor to choose and talk about eight of their movies. There's so much to talk about with this guy, but
oh no, I get it.
He um with the snake thing, he said that he had a dream about a two-headed eagle and the very next day someone called him saying that they know someone that is selling a two-headed snake. So the cage was like, "Kiss me, I will take that two-headed snake off your ass." And I I just I love the idea of someone going I've got a two-headed snake. Knowing the one that wants to buy one and the person going, "Yeah, I know a guy."
I mean, a two-headed eagle is the natural predator of a two-headed snake. So, what does that all mean?
I I don't know.
Don't think too hard about it. We have a ways to go yet. Don't burn out on that question.
Okay,
we'll get to everything eventually. There'll be like season 396 when it's just you talking to me except I'm a brain in a jar being voiced by AI.
(02:07):
You'll be a brain in a jar being voiced by AI.
You'll be a daughter old man.
No, I'll be a digital version of myself. I
like Black Mirror style.
I'll still be alive, but I plan to upload my consciousness um as it is to to the cloud and then you'll be able to podcast with my digital version and I can just play Gran Turismo.
Oh, what?
That's my plan. I'm training it. And I'm
I don't like this.
So I still have to work.
Yeah.
What?
Well, I'm doing the the the leg work now, so I don't have to work later. Think of it as a pension.
But like a digital consciousness pension.
A digital pension.
Yeah. He once publicly denied being a vampire, which this fact might have made more sense in our previous episode.
Yes. In hindsight,
but I didn't want to spoil that movie. So do you remember that photo of Nicholas Cage that was Uh, it wasn't of Nicholas Cage. Or maybe it was. Depends on which conspiracy theory you buy.
Oh, the really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was a time traveler or something.
Well, I think that was some of the um
I heard that one.
I There was a picture of a man from 1870 and it looked like Nicholas Cage. You look at it. Yeah, it does look like Nicholas Cage. Um, it was originally posted on eBay apparently with the heading Nicholas Cage is a vampire. And I don't know if you'd pay this, but the asking price was a million quid for this photo.
(02:28):
No, I don't have a million quid.
If you had a million quid?
No.
Exactly. Because you're not a moron.
No. And it's clearly fake.
I don't think you
I just I don't I'm not going to pay any money for a photo of a random man that isn't Nicholas Gage.
But the description said it's Nicholas Gage.
Oh, well, you can't lie on eBay.
Do you want to I've written down the um the description that was on eBay as well, right? You ready for this?
Oh, I don't know.
Personally, I believe it's him.
Okay, then I'm convinced.
Take my million quid. Um, personally, I believe it's him and that he is some sort of walking undead/vampire, etc.,
etc. I mean, well, yeah, you don't you don't want to pigeon hole yourself. You don't want to claim that he's definitely a vampire.
No,
you've got to leave a little bit of ambiguity.
If you say undead and vampire, you could be, oh, is it zombie? Is he a ghost?
Just some sort of reanimated corpse.
Yeah. Or is he etc. Is he something that we don't know about etc. They covered all bases with that description and that's why it's smart.
Did they sell it is my question?
(02:49):
No.
Oh.
Personally, I believe it's him and that he is some sort of walking undead/vampire, etc. who quickens. Someone's been watching Highlander.
Okay. Slash reinvents himself once every 75 years or so. Like a lot of reading into this like
they've created an entire law.
Exactly. And I love that. Um, and it also said 150 years from now, he might be a politician, the leader of a cult, or a talk show host.
I'm going to say leader of a cult. He should be a leader of a cult now. I'd join it.
Well, it depends what the initiation is. Actually,
the initi the initiation is to watch The Rock every day for a year.
Oh, no. I'm out.
Okay. So, Cage later went on Letterman and said it was fake. And I quote, "You can't take pictures of vampires. Oh my god. Oh my god. Is he a comedy genius?
Yeah, he is a genius. He's definitely a genius.
Of all the things he could have said. I love that.
He's not wrong though.
No.
And as a vampire, he would know that.
Yeah, of course.
It's a double bluff.
It is. Yeah.
We're back
again. Another Nicholas Cage movie.
(03:10):
I can't believe it's only the third.
It's only the third. Yeah, we're this week we're taking our faces off. Oh, we've already taken What you didn't know or what I didn't tell you actually, Sarah, is to prepare for the show. What I did is when you're asleep, I made you sleep deeper with some drugs and I cut your face off and I cut mine off and I swapped our faces and our voices and I'm actually you. I'm actually Sarah and you're actually Dan.
This is so confusing. I feel like I would know that. I'm looking at you right now and you look like Dan. Yeah, because I've done the surgery.
But my brain is telling me that I am Sarah. So,
but that's what that's your brain tricking you because your eyes are the the windows of your soul.
This is such b*******.
Straight out of the gate talking nonsense.
Watch this movie and they explain everything perfectly via science.
I I don't know if they explained it perfectly by science.
Didn't you believe Color?
No.
And when he was telling him about taking faces off and doing haircuts,
I didn't buy it for a second. Not even when they 3D printed that ear for Gavin Bellson.
Gavin Bellson. I didn't know it was Gavin Bellson.
We're getting way too far ahead of ourselves.
Yeah, you're right.
But yeah, I think Face Off is is is peak cage for me. In 1997 is probably I was like this guy
cuz he's a bit he's a bit safer in in The Rock. He's a bit he's a very unique character and it's interesting to watch, but he's
it's it's Nicholas Cage at like a five.
Yeah.
Whereas this is almost full 10. Yeah. Yeah. And and I don't know who I would have put opposite him other than John Travolta. I I can't think of anyone else that could have done that.
(03:31):
No. But as much as I dislike John I can't even say his goddamn name.
G Travolta. Gonda.
As much as I dislike the man, I he is good in this.
Yeah.
I will.
He's He's a lot.
I'll reluctantly concede that point. Um,
I can see I could see if it gets on your nerves, gets on your wig. I can understand that cuz it's a lot. But I think that's what this movie is though. This movie is just a lot. That's what they could have called it if they hadn't called it face off.
I think the biggest hurdle that I have is I really dislike his face.
Yeah.
And you see you see it a lot.
You're in luck.
I'm not cuz they put it on someone else.
They ruin both people by associating with both of them. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I I don't have an answer to that question. I can't think of one person who would have done it better.
No, he's enormous.
I love the the fact in this there's that line that's like, "Oh, the height difference is negligible." Yeah,
there's a good two inches between them.
I think you're right. I think they're pretty uh different heights in real life
and they have wildly different teeth. They didn't swap the teeth. This his wife didn't even notice that his smile had changed.
Well, she didn't notice that his Dick had changed either.
That's a really good point.
(03:52):
Did it change?
Did they swap dicks?
Did they swap dick? They should have called it dick swap.
Dick off.
Dick.
Wingard.
Nobody's confusing that with a hockey movie.
Oh, wingard, if you're listening, there's your idea. Get on it.
Yeah, this is Face Off, too. We've written it for you.
Get a move on.
Towards the the latter part of that sequence, we get introduced to Lieutenant Dan. And now he's got legs.
Kevin. Commander Kevin Dunn.
Kevin Dunn. There's someone in the cast that Kevin
Yeah.
Yeah. So, there's a story actually that there was a hotel room, really swanky hotel room booked for Kevin Dunn. Um, and the actor Kevin Dunn sort of went up and got settled into it and then got yeetated out when it was revealed it was actually for the character of Kevin Dunn, right?
It was for second build Gary Sice.
So, Gary Senise kicked him out, did he?
Um, I don't know if he personally did it, but yeah,
there was there was some confusion. over those names.
Well, what happened is he went to the UPM and went get that f***** out my room. Um, Gary Senise. When's the last time you watched a new Gary Senise movie?
I don't know. I do you know what? I was thinking about that as we were watching it and the only thing I could think of him having been in I I'm going to say recently and I'm going to really embarrass myself
(04:13):
of my cement.
No, but I do f****** love that.
I watched that a bunch when I was in high school and we actually read the Steinbeck book.
Same. I think I think it was uh obligation at school in our generation. I think you had to.
Oh, we didn't have to. I went and rented it on VHS from the library like a big f****** nerd.
Well, mine was mandated. So, you know, but
Good. Maybe. Good.
It is. It is good. It was one of those days where like, "Oh, we got to watch this." Oh, it was right, actually. Yes.
Um, but yeah, he was in one of the CSIs. I want to say like CSI New York.
There's a New York, is there?
Oh, there's a CSI everywhere. It's like a CSI Graves End. I don't know.
I don't think there is.
CSI Clactton.
CSI Jwick.
That's on every day of the year.
CSI Wigan.
CSI hole.
I mean, they could there's there's a lot of room there. Um, but yeah, when I say recent, I'm sure that's like probably going back close to 20 years now. So, I don't know. Is he still acting? I I guess
did he retire?
Maybe he's just maybe he's doing theater. Maybe he's retired or semi-retired or does bits and pieces. But he's definitely I feel like in the '9s he was everything. Every time he popped up in the movie I remember me and my mom would go, "Lieutenant Dad.
Welcome to episode number
(04:34):
69."
69.
Yeah, 69 this one.
And you chose the The Wicker Man remake for episode 69.
The Wicker What do you mean remake?
Don't do that.
Is it Is this a remake?
Don't do that. We've seen the original together at the cinema. This won't fly with me.
s***, I forgot about that. When What year was the original? Was it 73 or
It was 73.
Okay. I'm sure we'll mention the original The Hicker Man at some point.
Can we talk about that instead? In fact,
you um we No, because Nicholas Cage wasn't in the original The Hicker Man, was he? How is Edwood wood?
I suppose.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Loads.
Edward Woodwood could chuck wood chug.
Could
sweet chuck.
Knuckle puck.
You've always got to bring things back to police academy somehow.
(04:55):
Yeah,
no matter what.
I've got like eggs just firmly cemented in my brain constantly. Um, listen, let me begin this show by extending an extremely heartfelt apology to you, Sarah.
Mh. And to you, the listener, I'm very sorry.
I don't accept.
If you if you are completely insane and for some reason you watch the movies before we release our episodes on them, I'm really sorry that you've had to suffer watching the Hicker Man. Um, but equally, you know, you don't have to. There's no one's holding a gun to your head. No one's holding a bees to your head, are they?
Holding bees to your head.
Not the bees. Um, we'll talk about that.
We will.
We will. Um, yeah, Nicholas Cage season. We're in the second half of our Nicholas Cage, my Nicholas Cage season now. And why did I choose the Hicker Man, I hear you ask.
I don't know. Please, please elaborate.
Uh, honestly, it I was just curious. I've never seen this before.
You know the saying, don't you?
No.
Curiosity killed the cat.
Well, luckily, I am not a cat.
And I am still alive for now. Or maybe I'm dead. I don't know.
Maybe you expired during the making during the watching of that movie and you just don't know it.
Yeah, it's possible, I guess. Maybe I my brain exploded or something. I had a stroke.
Um, yeah. So, I'm very sorry if you had to watch The Wicker Man. I'm I was just dead curious about this movie because it's definitely one that's in the Zeitgeist that a lot of people know, a lot of people people reference as a really terrible movie and probably one of the worst remakes people would would say about it. Um, I don't know if I would go that far, but we'll get into that.
I believe it's got a 3.8 on IMDb and about 15% on Ron Tomatoes.
(05:16):
No,
which I think is more than Madame Web.
I think this is better than Madame Web.
I know what I'd rather watch.
The Wicker Man.
Yeah.
Yeah, without a doubt.
At least there's more unintentional hilarity in The Wicker Man. Is it unintentional though?
Yes. I don't care what they say. Look, we'll get to it, but yes, it was unintentional. You can't convince me otherwise.
When you say they to which you refer
I am referring to Nicholas Cage himself, the man himself and director Neil Lebout.
Neil Lebout
is it Lebout?
I don't know. I've never heard of him before this movie.
Never heard of him.
No, I know that he directed that thing with Samuel Jackson. That's about it.
What thing?
I don't know. The Avengers Infinity War. or whatever it was. No, it was um it was the one where isn't I don't I haven't seen this movie.
Oh, no.
So, please don't come for me. But isn't it the one where Samuel Jackson plays a racist?
Wait, what?
(05:37):
I think it's called Lake View Terrace. He's a police officer. I know that because on a poster he's wearing
Is that the plot of that movie that he's a racist?
I You're making me doubt myself now. Yes. Let's go with Yes.
Against who? white people. I guess
you can't be racist to white people.
I'm not saying you can, but I'm saying that might be the premise of that movie. And I could be wrong.
Samuel Jackson hates white people.
Understandable, honestly.
Yeah, I get it. Um, but I didn't know that. I had never heard of Neil Lebout uh until we watched this movie and I went back on Letterbox, looked at his credits and thought, "Oh, that's the thing with Samuel Jackson. I think he's a racist in that movie. Right.
That was the that was the the extent of my research for this episode. So
that was it. Wow.
The rest the rest is on you, I'm afraid.
I mean, he used to be like quite an edgy filmmaker. I remember. Yeah. Like I remember sort of late 90s, early 2000s when he was making stuff like In the Company of Men and Nurse Betty, both of which I sort of read about in Empire magazine at the time and
sort of sounded quite asserbic and black, you know, black comedy is like a little bit dark. Have you seen those?
Um, I've seen in The Company of Men. I don't think I ever watched Nurse Betty.
All right. I've never heard of those. Not seen it.
Okay. But yeah, got a fair bit of buzz when they came out, I believe. But now he's sort of just making straight to streaming garbage like House of Darkness and Fear the Night.
Oh, what other generic titles you can think of?
Exactly. House of Darkness. I have actually seen
of course. Yeah,
I watched that when you weren't here. It was
(05:58):
It was a really s***** um kind of single location horror film with Justin Long and his partner Kate Wsworth.
Of course, Justin Long's in it.
Yeah,
cuz a crappy movie. Who should we get? Long. Long will do it. Except from
some decent stuff, too.
Yeah, Barbarian
and Idiocracy.
Is he in that?
Yeah.
I
Why come you don't get a tattoo?
I've only seen that once. I saw it I think couple of years maybe after it came out and thought this is ridiculous.
We don't need to watch it. anymore. We're living it.
Well, that's the point. Now, I'm curious to go back to it and go, "Oh, this could be a documentary."
Yeah. They didn't go far enough.
Yeah. Oh, precisely. Mike Judge is a genius.
Terry Cruz president had better hair than the current one. That's for sure.
I'd vote for Terry Cruz.
Yeah. Me, too.
Yeah. I'd never heard of Neil Lebout. I'll be honest with you.
We can say Neil Lebout's a Canadian if you want. We can say it the Canadian way.
(06:19):
Neil Leoot.
Neil Lebout.
What am I saying? Neil Lebout.
No, that's what I was saying. What am I saying?
Leoot.
What's the difference? That's the same, isn't it?
Boot and
uh it's the U bit.
Yeah.
Right. All right. Well, who cares? I'm never going to watch another one of his movies.
Okay. Maybe I'll program program one into another lineup just to piss you off.
Just uh as a like a form of revenge for making you watch this one.
Yeah.
Oh, I'm already working on my revenge for my next uh my next theme. Don't you worry.
We were just talking about that before we started recording. So, that will be fun.
But that's for one of us.
That's away. That's That's 11, isn't it? That'll be season 11.
Yeah, this is nine.
This is nine. We've still got to do f****** 10 yet.
Yes.
Um, which I can't wait for.
(06:40):
I can't wait for 10.
Yeah, I know.
I know. But that's even that's a while away. We've still got to get through the Wicker Man and three other Nicholas Cage movies.
Well, come on then.
What? Come on. What do you mean?
Let's get to it. It's almost quite nice and one could say respectful that they chose to go with a lot of the original dialogue with some minor changes. is. But I feel like that was a terrible decision. I think they should have updated it. I don't I don't really know why they chose to go with that. I think yeah, if you give it a complete rewrite and bring it up to date, it could have been much better because it sort of felt like they were trying to do what the original did and have people's responses to things be maybe not in keeping with the emotion that the questions were asked in or like they were going for this sort of creepy uncanny vibe, but it just reads as stilted in this movie.
Yeah. And a bit silly.
Yeah.
Um was one of the one of the lines that they reused for the remake, was it, "What's in that bag? Is it a shark?" Was that something that Edward Woodward said in the original?
Honestly, I can't remember. But I would not be at all surprised because that was so strange.
Why would that be your first guess?
It would have been even weirder if they went, "Yeah, how'd you guess?"
Yeah. What was in that bag? It's like a Hessian bag. We never get to see it. We never find out. And that's my biggest problem with this.
I guess that's in the unrated.
Oh, yeah. Maybe. I need to get it. I need to get it.
I don't know why I'm selling this to you.
Do you reckon there's like an like a second sight version of this? Maybe.
Um, I'm going to go no.
Get on it. Second sight. I would like to remake the Bad Lieutenant movie, but I would like it to be with Nicholas Cage. That's not bad. It's not terrible.
I would like him to play a detective that he's addicted to pain medication.
Oh yeah, you're getting better.
(07:01):
I would like to set it in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and vaguely maybe has something to do with the housing crisis of 2008.
You went a bit scouse at the end there.
Did I?
Did I? Maybe Welsh 2008.
I think I will spend this entire
No. God, no.
As Vera Herzog,
please don't do that. Please.
I would like I would like to have many reptiles in this movie.
What? I don't know.
Can we Can we have Dan back in the room, please?
I'm back. Okay.
After being briefly possessed by Vera Herzog, talk inside me for gosh, too long, longer than he's ever been inside me. Um, yeah, Bad Lieutenant and grounding his character I just thought really worked very well for me. But then that's not to say that I couldn't watch another film where someone is just a complete scumbag for seemingly no reasons or perhaps there are reasons that aren't fully explained that are just hinted at maybe. And and that's that's that can be enough as well.
I think it's I think it's definitely a matter of personal taste. for me because
films like Wolf of Wall Street, for example, obviously
masterpiece
across the board, critically acclaimed. Everybody loves it. You think it's a masterpiece. I struggled with it, man.
And I get it. I get it that it's played for laughs. It's a comedy, what have you, but he's such a piece of s***. I don't enjoy watching that.
I don't know. I I think I think I struggle with that for the same reasons I struggled with this. I don't know why that's such a stumbling block for me. And yet, I'll watch horror films where people are murdering teenagers for no good reason and think it's excellent.
Like you say, it's just a matter of taste. Wolf of Wall Street is a really good comparison. Like I I I enjoy that movie and like you say, everybody on the planet apart from you enjoys it.
I look I can fully acknowledge it's a brilliantly made film.
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No, but it's it's the the problem with the movie. Well, there's not a problem with the movie. Let me let me say that now. There's not a problem with the movie. It's fantastically made. It's one of Scorsese's best. It's in his top five. for me easily.
No, my problem with the movie is Jordan Belelffort,
but yes, that but that that's, you know, you're meant to have a problem with him. You're meant to be like, "This is a piece of s***." But it's so f****** crazy and absurd the stuff that happens in it.
It It's kind of entertaining while while you're watching it. But the problem is that a lot of people watched it and went, "I really want to be a trader."
Yeah. A lot of people took the wrong message from that movie.
It's the fight club problem. I want to start a fight club. No, my guy. You didn't watch that movie, did you? And if you did, You didn't understand it, did you?
Well, it's it's the same sort of group of films that that those people always caught on to. American Psycho. Um,
great example. Yeah.
Uh, you've already said Fight Club. What's the other one?
Choke.
Was that Chuck Pelino as well?
That was Sam Rockwell, wasn't it?
Was it?
Yeah. He loves Wanking.
Yeah.
In in the movie. I don't know about Sam Sam Rockwell. Maybe he does. I don't know.
Who doesn't love Wank?
Most people enjoy it, I think. without hands.
Oh, dark.
Um,
but I'm sure there there's a tall replacement for that.
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Yeah. Um,
but yeah, but movies like that, like you say, American Psycho, Fight Club, like there's a bunch of those movies.
The Matrix is another one that they always just people take the wrong message from it.
Oh, don't the f****** Red Pill. Oh my god. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Like, and Twat Face, what's his name?
Andrew Tate.
Yeah, you knew who I was talking about. He the amount of times he he brings up the Matrix.
Yeah.
And I'm I'm so offended by that because what he's referring to as the Matrix is not real for a star, but also you're taking this movie that had really good intentions and it's a f****** great movie.
Mhm.
And you're kind of pissing on it.
Made by two trans women is not, you know, that's worth mentioning.
Yeah.
He he and they do not have the same ideologies. I would hazard a guess.
No. Yeah. I think you're probably right. Yeah,
that's just a good example of pe people taking a property and just completely taking the wrong lessons from it, not really understanding what they're watching.
But it's difficult though, isn't it? Because if you sort of if you accept that once a piece of art is out into the world, everybody gets to draw their own conclusions, everybody gets to to get to take their own read of it,
then who are we to say anybody's doing it wrong. It's really difficult. It's really difficult.
I would say anyone that watches Andrew Tate content unironically.
Yeah. And If you're using it for nefarious purposes, like to to further your own agenda, then that's bad obviously,
but not relevant to Port of Call New Orleans.
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No, I can't imagine anyone's watching this film and going, "Ah, I really want to try some heroin."
Yeah. What a hero this man.
Yes. Yeah.
Look at him accepting his promotion. Dead behind the eyes.
Yeah.
What film are we covering next week, Dan?
Well, next week will be the penultimate. Sadly, we are uh in a tail end of my Nicholas Cage. about it.
I'll be so sad when it's done. But it's the penultimate episode of this season next week and we're jumping ahead again by nearly a decade. We're we're chronological order. You understand? We're doing Mandy, which I believe is 2018.
This is Was this at my request? I did push hard for this one.
Well, there was it was it was this one and there was another one that I think you were kind of hopeful that that we would cover, but I think perhaps we would get that one and maybe We'll talk about it in Manny's show. We'll get that one into another theme. Yeah, I think but but for sure but for sure there were there was an element of
okay, I've made you watch The Rock and pay yourself off in
I'll throw you a bone.
I'll throw you a bone. Um but also like it's a great movie and and I I think I've only seen it once and it's one of those where I was like
it kind of blew me away when I saw it and it's one of those that stayed with me for a long time
and I'm really interested to revisit and see if I have a a same or different experience. Like, it's a it's a very weird movie.
Sure is. Yeah.
But we'll dig into to Mandy next week.
I can't wait. So, Dan
Sarah,
um I I seem to remember at the start of this season you promised us three Nicholas Cage facts each show.
Yeah. You got to call me out on this.
(08:25):
I am going to call you out on this because we haven't had any for a while now.
No, I've got one for you now.
Oh.
Um Nicholas Cage, he was in a movie called Mandy. And that's
I did not know that.
Fascinating.
No, you're right. I'm glad that you mentioned it actually to be fair because yes, I did commit at the start of the season to giving everyone three Nicholas Cage facts per episode, which would have equated to 24 Nicholas Cage facts,
which sounds easy to be honest. He's a very interesting man.
I think it was probably doable, but the problem is that when I committed to that, I was unemployed. And then after a couple of episodes, I all of a sudden got busy as f*** and I had to work. So, I kind of had way less time.
So, what you're saying is you've got commitment issues.
I I've got I've got commitment issues. Yes.
That's troubling to me as your partner.
Um so, I haven't. Yes. That I fell off the wagon on the Nicholas Cage facts. You are absolutely correct. And I can do nothing but apologize for my behavior. Um I am going to seek therapy and address this head on. You know,
I think you should. It's only It's only right.
It's not I'm not I'm not proud of it. Um it was a different time back then. Like I said, I was unemployed. Uh but I hear what you're saying and I'm I think I I will address that head on and try and be a better person and not commit to something I can't fulfill.
That's all we can ask.
And I think I think that makes me a great guy um to admit that. Um um yeah. So I've got no more facts for you unfortunately, but you had uh
with some good ones. Yeah,
it was good while it lasted.
Yeah,
I I tried to do a bit of a dive on this because
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obviously triangles are having seen Beyond the Black Rainbow really prevalent in in Cosmatos work. Um but also in horror films in general and in the kind of pop culture realm and they're often associated with things like the Illuminati,
right?
So I was like, why why the f*** are triangles evil. I decided triangles are evil and I couldn't find any sort of reasoning or general consensus. Um I did read somewhere that sort of the triangle often kind of represents stability. So when you flip it on its head, it kind of represents instability, I guess. And also there were some references to things like the three-pointed shape being the Holy Trinity,
right?
Um but I don't know. I'm stumped.
There's something very arresting about the image of a triangle when it's used correctly. Like I think you mentioned a void earlier. That's when I think of um triangle. I can't believe we're talking about triangles in movies.
But like
well they have that on their hoods, don't they?
Yeah. Uh but like I think just think about that cover and the the t-shirts. You've got the the void t-shirt, haven't you? I did.
Yeah. Oh, you got rid of it. I did. Oh, that's a shame.
Um
but yeah, there's something quite disturbing about it. Like especially if it's like a neon situation happening.
Neon demon there. a big neon triangle on the front.
Yes. Yes. It is weird, isn't it? Like it's I hadn't thought about that before, but it is very unsettling.
Like is it something about 180 like 180° situated? Like do we not like
And what sort of triangle are we talking is triangle? Are we talking toone? Are we talking pyramids?
Toblone are known as being the most evil chocolate.
Yeah. Yeah. Although they did used to follow us on Instagram.
Yes. do.
Yeah, they stopped following us. So,
pricks. Did they figure out we were vegans?
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Yeah, I think so. Yeah,
they're not not even going to buy from us.
No,
we don't want your overro overpriced airport chocolate.
Yeah, it just it just hurts the roof of your mouth when you eat it. Like, it seems like a nice idea. You think that's interesting, that's not a rectangle. Let's put it in my mouth. And then it like and then you get a little like cut in the top of your roof of your mouth and it hurts for like a week and a half
and you regret it. It's like I regret eating that tolerate. the most evil chocolate.
They are. They're s***. And I'm glad they authored this. f*** them. Yeah. Like um the other great triangle movie, Stargate, of course. But the but the triangles in that movie, they're sometimes evil, but sometimes camels live in them or something.
Yeah, that's that's what you took from that movie, was it?
What happened in that All I can remember from that movie is Bunny White.
All I can remember is Kurt Russell's terrible jarhead haircut.
Yeah. Awful.
Great movie, though.
It is a great movie.
We should What? Are we going to get stargazed?
I Let's finish Mandy first, please.
Okay. Okay. Yes. So, we get that. I can't believe that tangent we went on. You bought up triangles, so it's your fault.
Well, I was desperate to know.
Uh, I suppose I owe you an apology.
You do.
I It's been a pretty crazy season.
Mhm.
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Our Nicholas Cage, sorry, my Nicholas Cage season. You always correct me on that.
Um,
yeah. I don't know. Like, we're covering Pig if you haven't guessed already. Like, it's in the description. And it was between this and a few others. Maybe you should have gone for something a bit more upbeat as a final episode cuz this is a little depressing.
A little depressing. Yeah, you could say that.
I mean, I was pretty ruined after we watched it
both times.
Both times. Yeah. Was this was a second watch for both of us, was it?
Yeah. You you uh you blind bought it, didn't you?
I think so. Yeah. I think it's one that sort of snuck up on us and I saw the trailer and I was like Oh, have to buy that.
Yeah.
And yeah, it ruined me and I had exactly the same experience watching it for a second time. So, I don't know, man. I'm going to try really, really hard not to cry in this episode.
When I say like it fully destroyed me.
I'm tearing up now just thinking about it.
Really?
I don't know why. Yeah. This film really really affects me emotionally.
And I'm the one that loves pigs.
I love pigs, too.
You I mean I mean, but pigs are my favorite animal. Like,
yeah,
if I could just easily have a pet pig, I would do it. No question.
I mean, you can have a pet pig, but easily is maybe not part of that equation.
(09:49):
Easily was the key word in description. If it wasn't if it Yeah. Um, 2021, this film, so it's our newest Nicholas Cage movie. Been going in chronological order this time.
It was hard to narrow it down to eight. We'll talk about that more in our rap show perhaps over on our Patreon feed.
Yeah, I'm curious to know what didn't make the cut. Well, everything else.
Yeah.
That he's done.
His entire other filmography.
Yeah. But
God, that's going to be a long show.
Yeah. We look not going to go through every single one of his movies. Just other other ones that I was considering really.
So, what what Dan's saying, you're you're promising to review every single other Nicholas Cage film in the rap show?
No. But what I am promising is that we'll cover another eight when we do Nicholas Cage 2.0.
No. Look, maybe a decade from now.
A decade. from now when he's got another 130 movies out.
Yes, exactly. Assuming I live that long,
there'll probably probably be a The Rock sequel by then.
Probably. Maybe we'll get the Face Off sequel that's been teased for so long.
Yeah, f****** Wingard. Pull your finger out then. What are you doing? So, going to the beginning of the movie, then it begins with Cage living in the forest with the pig and they're looking for truffles and it's the first maybe 10 or 15 minutes it's just those those two just milling about in the forest. I would happily have watched that for an hour and a half. I'm not going to lie.
All right.
I don't know if I could. I was I was getting ready for it to for things to happen. To be honest,
I was digging that. That pig was so cute.
Do you know what the pig was called?
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No. Do you?
No idea.
Oh, I do know that because the budget was so low, as I mentioned earlier, they could not afford a fully trained pig. So, they just had to hire a regular pig. And because of that, and because of the the shoot schedule being only 20 days, Um, it kept biting Nicholas Cage.
Um, and after one particularly nasty bite, he was sort of joking about the things that have happened to him on sets, like, "Oh, he's been lit on fire. All these things have happened." He was like, "But I'm going to die of sepsis from a pig bite, aren't I?"
He wasn't actually on fire for Ghost Rider, was he?
Um, yeah. There was no CGI.
That's That's impressive.
And at the end of Wikman.
Well, yeah.
Um, yeah. So, not a show pig. Oh, interesting. Yes, it is amazing that they managed to get any footage at all with with with an untrained pig.
I know. It was so good though.
So, they just found like a pig just milling about in a forest and went, "Yeah, do you want to be in a movie pig?"
Yeah.
I don't I don't think there was a conversation. I assume
pigs are very clever. You don't know that.
They are very clever. Yeah. They're sort of similar to dogs in intelligence, I believe.
Yeah. Possibly.
Possibly. Your favorite animal. You should know this.
Well, I'm not a pig expert. I just like him. All right. I'm not bored of Nicholas Cage. Like I
I'm not bored of him. I've just got a fatigue. I've had enough for now.
Yeah. Well, that's that's fair.
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He's a lot. He's an intense actor.
I could I I think he's like my second or third most watched actor of all time on Netflix. Samuel Jackson cuz he's been in 10,000 movies.
And then uh Nicholas Cage, I think.
I could believe that.
Yeah.
But yeah, that brings us to the end. coming of cage and it's been a real journey,
hasn't it?
I'm proud that I didn't cry this episode.
Yeah, you did well.
Um, but yeah, you'll be pleased to know that we've now reached the end and we're moving on to something else next season.
What is that something else?
Well, it's season 10 and we thought, didn't we, we thought we would do something a little bit different. We always take it in turns to choose seasons for a start
and we always do eight films a season.
Yes. So, this time we Why don't we
not do that?
Not do that. Yeah. Tune in to find out in in 3 weeks. Um yeah, we thought, let's do a slightly longer season, season 10. So, we're going to do 10 episodes.
Mhm.
We've chosen a theme together. We we agreed on it together and we've chosen five movies each and the theme is flops.
Yeah.
So, I think it's going to be an interesting season because we I think well, we we we've pretty much nailed down what the lineup is, uh, which will be announced on Patreon, our free tier in a couple of weeks.
Y
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um, but it's not to give too much away, but it's going to be probably mostly bad movies. Um,
you say that I I've been this has been an eye openener for me because so many of my favorite movies are on this list.
Yeah,
apparently I have terrible taste.
Well, well, and me, too. There some of my favorite movies are on this list.
Well, and some others. I don't have I picked a good movie. I don't know if I have actually. I think all of mine might be classified class as terrible movies, but I I love some of them. Um but yeah, so we'll be we'll be back in a few weeks for season 10 flops 10 episodes. If you want to see the lineup, be on Patreon in a few weeks. Become a free member. Check it out.
Right, we're back. It's a brand new theme. It is.
(00:01):
It's a brand new season.
Mhm.
It's a brand new year.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. It's 2025, Sarah.
Well,
for the listener.
Yeah.
We're still in the thick of um build up to Christmas technically, but yeah, by the time this goes out, that's crazy.
Yes, I know.
We're so organized.
Well, I know. I couldn't be more excited for this one. I'll be honest with you. Uh I think at the end of our last main episode. What was it? Almost famous. You coined a phrase from coming of age to coming of cage.
Yeah.
So, we've got eight Nicholas Cage movies to go through.
Which is like what 0.2% of his filmography.
It was It was so hard to get it down to eight.
Yeah, I bet.
There are a few that I I was considering which we'll probably go through in a rap show in 8 nine weeks time.
Well, we've already covered two Nick Cage films unintentionally.
Yeah. Which were
uh Dream Scenario.
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Yeah.
And Conair. Both your seasons.
Oh, they were both. You're right. So, at the end of this season, we would have covered 10 Nicholas Cage films in total.
All chosen by you.
Yeah. Brilliant.
You're sitting there in your Nicholas and the Cages fake band t-shirt as well.
My new favorite appearal.
Apparel.
Apparel.
Apparel.
Yeah. T-shirt never coming off.
Never.
This is remaining on my person. at all times.
Oh, that's going to get stinky.
No, cuz I'm going to buy multiple of the same t-shirt and just have each like wash one and then wear one and then wash one and wear one.
You're going to be that guy.
Yeah, I'm going to be the guy that wears Nicholas and the Cages band t-shirt guy
until you find a better Nicholas Cage t-shirt.
I don't think Have you seen this Nicholas Cage t-shirt?
Looking at it right now.
I don't think you can improve upon this.
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It is perfection. Yeah, you're correct.
Um, it Yeah, it was super difficult. to whittle it down to eight just eight movies. Uh today we're covering Vampires Kiss from 1988.
Oh, we sure are.
Uh so I thought we would start with that one because I I had an idea of doing this one in chronological order uh in terms of when the movie was was released.
Never done that before,
but I thought it would be appropriate and fun to do it for an actor season. It's our first also our first actor season.
Haven't done that before. Little bit different.
Mhm.
So yeah, I I've been going through his filmography for the last couple of weeks and managed to get it down to eight. If you want to see that full lineup, then it's available on our Patreon as a free member. You don't have to be a paid member, but it's if you want to see it, it's over there.
But we'd like you more if you were.
Well, yeah, of course. We'd like you more if you paid us.
Not not that there's any sort of favoritism going on, but if there were.
Yeah.
Okay. So, this one is first because this is chronological and this is 1988.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1988.
But what made you choose the film itself?
Before we get our teeth stuck into the movie.
Oh, see what you did there.
I'm going to attempt to on each episode find three facts about Nicholas Cage. Confirm that they are actually correct. Hopefully from the horse's mouth.
Okay.
Uh in this case, the horse being Nicholas
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himself. Yeah.
Yeah.
I imagine that's quite difficult to do because there must be so much floating around. That's absolute bollocks but sounds like it could be true.
Yeah.
And the inverse must be true as well. Like there must be so much that's wildly nonsensical but is actual fact.
Yeah. It's going to be one like if you did a would I lie to you and you did three Nicholas Cage facts. Impossible.
Impossible to tell which one's which. Which one's true and which one's fake. Um so yeah, I'm going to try and find 24 facts that are actual facts and not just internet nonsense.
Okay.
Three per episode. So I've got three here for bought this one just to get us going. Now, a lot of it I imagine if you're a film fan, you probably know a lot of these already, but just to sort of wet our cage
wet our whistles.
Cage whistles.
So, you know, Nicholas Cage is a coppler.
Yep.
Um, he changed his name from Coppella to cage. Do you know why he did that?
Um, because he went forward in time and saw Megalopouloolis and thought, I don't want to be associated with this bag of s***. and then went back in time and changed his name.
Yes, that's exactly why. Is it? Am I right?
That's exactly why. Yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah.
So, he went to high school with Paulie Shaw. You say
he went to high school with Pauly Shaw. Yeah. And they were neighbors in Las Vegas during the pandemic. So, can you
(01:25):
Oh my god.
Can you imagine the parties, can't you? Pauly Shaw and Nicholas Cage.
I No, I'm not imagining parties.
What are you imagining then?
I'm imagining the two of them just running around the streets yelling things whilst wearing dressing gowns. We the Joo.
Yeah.
And I'll be back.
No. Wheezing the
which incidentally was a working one of our um before we chose the name Shooter Hostage. We the Juice was one of the titles that we were like maybe we'll call ourselves Weez in the Juice.
I'm kind of glad we s*** canned that in hindsight.
Oh yeah.
Yeah. A little bit.
Oh, I would have been happy with it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with our name now, but like we in the Juice,
it was fun.
We'd have to say here. Welcome to Weeze in the Juice all the time. It's such a bizarre word. People think you're crazy.
Yeah.
What's your podcast called? Oh, we in the Juice.
What's that about?
What does that mean?
Couldn't tell you. Okay, so Neighbors during the pandemic. Interesting. God, can you imagine if they had to like isolate together? I would say they would both go insane, but we might already be there.
(01:46):
I'd watch that show.
Oh, yeah. Sure.
That's like I'm I'm not a fan of reality TV. However,
if you pitched something like that, I'm all in. If you'd told me in 1996 when I just watched The Rock for the 37th time that in 30 years time you're going to think that Nicholas Cage is more insane than Paulie Shaw. I thought you were insane.
Yeah,
honestly because
Pauly Shaw is really boring.
Yeah, probably. So, I got one more I got one more fact for you and you you again you probably know this, but he once owned and may still own Haven't confirmed that. But he once owned a two-headed snake.
I did not know that. A live two-headed snake or like a taxiderermy one?
No. A real live breathing two-headed snake.
You know, when you said all of this stuff is coming from the horse's mouth. Do we know that he's not trolling us?
We can't be certain. I I just have to take him at face value.
I Okay. Yeah.
But the the the interesting is such an interesting guy and you'll understand like if you're going to pick an actor to choose and talk about eight of their movies. There's so much to talk about with this guy, but
oh no, I get it.
He um with the snake thing, he said that he had a dream about a two-headed eagle and the very next day someone called him saying that they know someone that is selling a two-headed snake. So the cage was like, "Kiss me, I will take that two-headed snake off your ass." And I I just I love the idea of someone going I've got a two-headed snake. Knowing the one that wants to buy one and the person going, "Yeah, I know a guy."
I mean, a two-headed eagle is the natural predator of a two-headed snake. So, what does that all mean?
I I don't know.
Don't think too hard about it. We have a ways to go yet. Don't burn out on that question.
Okay,
we'll get to everything eventually. There'll be like season 396 when it's just you talking to me except I'm a brain in a jar being voiced by AI.
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You'll be a brain in a jar being voiced by AI.
You'll be a daughter old man.
No, I'll be a digital version of myself. I
like Black Mirror style.
I'll still be alive, but I plan to upload my consciousness um as it is to to the cloud and then you'll be able to podcast with my digital version and I can just play Gran Turismo.
Oh, what?
That's my plan. I'm training it. And I'm
I don't like this.
So I still have to work.
Yeah.
What?
Well, I'm doing the the the leg work now, so I don't have to work later. Think of it as a pension.
But like a digital consciousness pension.
A digital pension.
Yeah. He once publicly denied being a vampire, which this fact might have made more sense in our previous episode.
Yes. In hindsight,
but I didn't want to spoil that movie. So do you remember that photo of Nicholas Cage that was Uh, it wasn't of Nicholas Cage. Or maybe it was. Depends on which conspiracy theory you buy.
Oh, the really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was a time traveler or something.
Well, I think that was some of the um
I heard that one.
I There was a picture of a man from 1870 and it looked like Nicholas Cage. You look at it. Yeah, it does look like Nicholas Cage. Um, it was originally posted on eBay apparently with the heading Nicholas Cage is a vampire. And I don't know if you'd pay this, but the asking price was a million quid for this photo.
(02:28):
No, I don't have a million quid.
If you had a million quid?
No.
Exactly. Because you're not a moron.
No. And it's clearly fake.
I don't think you
I just I don't I'm not going to pay any money for a photo of a random man that isn't Nicholas Gage.
But the description said it's Nicholas Gage.
Oh, well, you can't lie on eBay.
Do you want to I've written down the um the description that was on eBay as well, right? You ready for this?
Oh, I don't know.
Personally, I believe it's him.
Okay, then I'm convinced.
Take my million quid. Um, personally, I believe it's him and that he is some sort of walking undead/vampire, etc.,
etc. I mean, well, yeah, you don't you don't want to pigeon hole yourself. You don't want to claim that he's definitely a vampire.
No,
you've got to leave a little bit of ambiguity.
If you say undead and vampire, you could be, oh, is it zombie? Is he a ghost?
Just some sort of reanimated corpse.
Yeah. Or is he etc. Is he something that we don't know about etc. They covered all bases with that description and that's why it's smart.
Did they sell it is my question?
(02:49):
No.
Oh.
Personally, I believe it's him and that he is some sort of walking undead/vampire, etc. who quickens. Someone's been watching Highlander.
Okay. Slash reinvents himself once every 75 years or so. Like a lot of reading into this like
they've created an entire law.
Exactly. And I love that. Um, and it also said 150 years from now, he might be a politician, the leader of a cult, or a talk show host.
I'm going to say leader of a cult. He should be a leader of a cult now. I'd join it.
Well, it depends what the initiation is. Actually,
the initi the initiation is to watch The Rock every day for a year.
Oh, no. I'm out.
Okay. So, Cage later went on Letterman and said it was fake. And I quote, "You can't take pictures of vampires. Oh my god. Oh my god. Is he a comedy genius?
Yeah, he is a genius. He's definitely a genius.
Of all the things he could have said. I love that.
He's not wrong though.
No.
And as a vampire, he would know that.
Yeah, of course.
It's a double bluff.
It is. Yeah.
We're back
again. Another Nicholas Cage movie.
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I can't believe it's only the third.
It's only the third. Yeah, we're this week we're taking our faces off. Oh, we've already taken What you didn't know or what I didn't tell you actually, Sarah, is to prepare for the show. What I did is when you're asleep, I made you sleep deeper with some drugs and I cut your face off and I cut mine off and I swapped our faces and our voices and I'm actually you. I'm actually Sarah and you're actually Dan.
This is so confusing. I feel like I would know that. I'm looking at you right now and you look like Dan. Yeah, because I've done the surgery.
But my brain is telling me that I am Sarah. So,
but that's what that's your brain tricking you because your eyes are the the windows of your soul.
This is such b*******.
Straight out of the gate talking nonsense.
Watch this movie and they explain everything perfectly via science.
I I don't know if they explained it perfectly by science.
Didn't you believe Color?
No.
And when he was telling him about taking faces off and doing haircuts,
I didn't buy it for a second. Not even when they 3D printed that ear for Gavin Bellson.
Gavin Bellson. I didn't know it was Gavin Bellson.
We're getting way too far ahead of ourselves.
Yeah, you're right.
But yeah, I think Face Off is is is peak cage for me. In 1997 is probably I was like this guy
cuz he's a bit he's a bit safer in in The Rock. He's a bit he's a very unique character and it's interesting to watch, but he's
it's it's Nicholas Cage at like a five.
Yeah.
Whereas this is almost full 10. Yeah. Yeah. And and I don't know who I would have put opposite him other than John Travolta. I I can't think of anyone else that could have done that.
(03:31):
No. But as much as I dislike John I can't even say his goddamn name.
G Travolta. Gonda.
As much as I dislike the man, I he is good in this.
Yeah.
I will.
He's He's a lot.
I'll reluctantly concede that point. Um,
I can see I could see if it gets on your nerves, gets on your wig. I can understand that cuz it's a lot. But I think that's what this movie is though. This movie is just a lot. That's what they could have called it if they hadn't called it face off.
I think the biggest hurdle that I have is I really dislike his face.
Yeah.
And you see you see it a lot.
You're in luck.
I'm not cuz they put it on someone else.
They ruin both people by associating with both of them. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I I don't have an answer to that question. I can't think of one person who would have done it better.
No, he's enormous.
I love the the fact in this there's that line that's like, "Oh, the height difference is negligible." Yeah,
there's a good two inches between them.
I think you're right. I think they're pretty uh different heights in real life
and they have wildly different teeth. They didn't swap the teeth. This his wife didn't even notice that his smile had changed.
Well, she didn't notice that his Dick had changed either.
That's a really good point.
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Did it change?
Did they swap dicks?
Did they swap dick? They should have called it dick swap.
Dick off.
Dick.
Wingard.
Nobody's confusing that with a hockey movie.
Oh, wingard, if you're listening, there's your idea. Get on it.
Yeah, this is Face Off, too. We've written it for you.
Get a move on.
Towards the the latter part of that sequence, we get introduced to Lieutenant Dan. And now he's got legs.
Kevin. Commander Kevin Dunn.
Kevin Dunn. There's someone in the cast that Kevin
Yeah.
Yeah. So, there's a story actually that there was a hotel room, really swanky hotel room booked for Kevin Dunn. Um, and the actor Kevin Dunn sort of went up and got settled into it and then got yeetated out when it was revealed it was actually for the character of Kevin Dunn, right?
It was for second build Gary Sice.
So, Gary Senise kicked him out, did he?
Um, I don't know if he personally did it, but yeah,
there was there was some confusion. over those names.
Well, what happened is he went to the UPM and went get that f***** out my room. Um, Gary Senise. When's the last time you watched a new Gary Senise movie?
I don't know. I do you know what? I was thinking about that as we were watching it and the only thing I could think of him having been in I I'm going to say recently and I'm going to really embarrass myself
(04:13):
of my cement.
No, but I do f****** love that.
I watched that a bunch when I was in high school and we actually read the Steinbeck book.
Same. I think I think it was uh obligation at school in our generation. I think you had to.
Oh, we didn't have to. I went and rented it on VHS from the library like a big f****** nerd.
Well, mine was mandated. So, you know, but
Good. Maybe. Good.
It is. It is good. It was one of those days where like, "Oh, we got to watch this." Oh, it was right, actually. Yes.
Um, but yeah, he was in one of the CSIs. I want to say like CSI New York.
There's a New York, is there?
Oh, there's a CSI everywhere. It's like a CSI Graves End. I don't know.
I don't think there is.
CSI Clactton.
CSI Jwick.
That's on every day of the year.
CSI Wigan.
CSI hole.
I mean, they could there's there's a lot of room there. Um, but yeah, when I say recent, I'm sure that's like probably going back close to 20 years now. So, I don't know. Is he still acting? I I guess
did he retire?
Maybe he's just maybe he's doing theater. Maybe he's retired or semi-retired or does bits and pieces. But he's definitely I feel like in the '9s he was everything. Every time he popped up in the movie I remember me and my mom would go, "Lieutenant Dad.
Welcome to episode number
(04:34):
69."
69.
Yeah, 69 this one.
And you chose the The Wicker Man remake for episode 69.
The Wicker What do you mean remake?
Don't do that.
Is it Is this a remake?
Don't do that. We've seen the original together at the cinema. This won't fly with me.
s***, I forgot about that. When What year was the original? Was it 73 or
It was 73.
Okay. I'm sure we'll mention the original The Hicker Man at some point.
Can we talk about that instead? In fact,
you um we No, because Nicholas Cage wasn't in the original The Hicker Man, was he? How is Edwood wood?
I suppose.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Loads.
Edward Woodwood could chuck wood chug.
Could
sweet chuck.
Knuckle puck.
You've always got to bring things back to police academy somehow.
(04:55):
Yeah,
no matter what.
I've got like eggs just firmly cemented in my brain constantly. Um, listen, let me begin this show by extending an extremely heartfelt apology to you, Sarah.
Mh. And to you, the listener, I'm very sorry.
I don't accept.
If you if you are completely insane and for some reason you watch the movies before we release our episodes on them, I'm really sorry that you've had to suffer watching the Hicker Man. Um, but equally, you know, you don't have to. There's no one's holding a gun to your head. No one's holding a bees to your head, are they?
Holding bees to your head.
Not the bees. Um, we'll talk about that.
We will.
We will. Um, yeah, Nicholas Cage season. We're in the second half of our Nicholas Cage, my Nicholas Cage season now. And why did I choose the Hicker Man, I hear you ask.
I don't know. Please, please elaborate.
Uh, honestly, it I was just curious. I've never seen this before.
You know the saying, don't you?
No.
Curiosity killed the cat.
Well, luckily, I am not a cat.
And I am still alive for now. Or maybe I'm dead. I don't know.
Maybe you expired during the making during the watching of that movie and you just don't know it.
Yeah, it's possible, I guess. Maybe I my brain exploded or something. I had a stroke.
Um, yeah. So, I'm very sorry if you had to watch The Wicker Man. I'm I was just dead curious about this movie because it's definitely one that's in the Zeitgeist that a lot of people know, a lot of people people reference as a really terrible movie and probably one of the worst remakes people would would say about it. Um, I don't know if I would go that far, but we'll get into that.
I believe it's got a 3.8 on IMDb and about 15% on Ron Tomatoes.
(05:16):
No,
which I think is more than Madame Web.
I think this is better than Madame Web.
I know what I'd rather watch.
The Wicker Man.
Yeah.
Yeah, without a doubt.
At least there's more unintentional hilarity in The Wicker Man. Is it unintentional though?
Yes. I don't care what they say. Look, we'll get to it, but yes, it was unintentional. You can't convince me otherwise.
When you say they to which you refer
I am referring to Nicholas Cage himself, the man himself and director Neil Lebout.
Neil Lebout
is it Lebout?
I don't know. I've never heard of him before this movie.
Never heard of him.
No, I know that he directed that thing with Samuel Jackson. That's about it.
What thing?
I don't know. The Avengers Infinity War. or whatever it was. No, it was um it was the one where isn't I don't I haven't seen this movie.
Oh, no.
So, please don't come for me. But isn't it the one where Samuel Jackson plays a racist?
Wait, what?
(05:37):
I think it's called Lake View Terrace. He's a police officer. I know that because on a poster he's wearing
Is that the plot of that movie that he's a racist?
I You're making me doubt myself now. Yes. Let's go with Yes.
Against who? white people. I guess
you can't be racist to white people.
I'm not saying you can, but I'm saying that might be the premise of that movie. And I could be wrong.
Samuel Jackson hates white people.
Understandable, honestly.
Yeah, I get it. Um, but I didn't know that. I had never heard of Neil Lebout uh until we watched this movie and I went back on Letterbox, looked at his credits and thought, "Oh, that's the thing with Samuel Jackson. I think he's a racist in that movie. Right.
That was the that was the the extent of my research for this episode. So
that was it. Wow.
The rest the rest is on you, I'm afraid.
I mean, he used to be like quite an edgy filmmaker. I remember. Yeah. Like I remember sort of late 90s, early 2000s when he was making stuff like In the Company of Men and Nurse Betty, both of which I sort of read about in Empire magazine at the time and
sort of sounded quite asserbic and black, you know, black comedy is like a little bit dark. Have you seen those?
Um, I've seen in The Company of Men. I don't think I ever watched Nurse Betty.
All right. I've never heard of those. Not seen it.
Okay. But yeah, got a fair bit of buzz when they came out, I believe. But now he's sort of just making straight to streaming garbage like House of Darkness and Fear the Night.
Oh, what other generic titles you can think of?
Exactly. House of Darkness. I have actually seen
of course. Yeah,
I watched that when you weren't here. It was
(05:58):
It was a really s***** um kind of single location horror film with Justin Long and his partner Kate Wsworth.
Of course, Justin Long's in it.
Yeah,
cuz a crappy movie. Who should we get? Long. Long will do it. Except from
some decent stuff, too.
Yeah, Barbarian
and Idiocracy.
Is he in that?
Yeah.
I
Why come you don't get a tattoo?
I've only seen that once. I saw it I think couple of years maybe after it came out and thought this is ridiculous.
We don't need to watch it. anymore. We're living it.
Well, that's the point. Now, I'm curious to go back to it and go, "Oh, this could be a documentary."
Yeah. They didn't go far enough.
Yeah. Oh, precisely. Mike Judge is a genius.
Terry Cruz president had better hair than the current one. That's for sure.
I'd vote for Terry Cruz.
Yeah. Me, too.
Yeah. I'd never heard of Neil Lebout. I'll be honest with you.
We can say Neil Lebout's a Canadian if you want. We can say it the Canadian way.
(06:19):
Neil Leoot.
Neil Lebout.
What am I saying? Neil Lebout.
No, that's what I was saying. What am I saying?
Leoot.
What's the difference? That's the same, isn't it?
Boot and
uh it's the U bit.
Yeah.
Right. All right. Well, who cares? I'm never going to watch another one of his movies.
Okay. Maybe I'll program program one into another lineup just to piss you off.
Just uh as a like a form of revenge for making you watch this one.
Yeah.
Oh, I'm already working on my revenge for my next uh my next theme. Don't you worry.
We were just talking about that before we started recording. So, that will be fun.
But that's for one of us.
That's away. That's That's 11, isn't it? That'll be season 11.
Yeah, this is nine.
This is nine. We've still got to do f****** 10 yet.
Yes.
Um, which I can't wait for.
(06:40):
I can't wait for 10.
Yeah, I know.
I know. But that's even that's a while away. We've still got to get through the Wicker Man and three other Nicholas Cage movies.
Well, come on then.
What? Come on. What do you mean?
Let's get to it. It's almost quite nice and one could say respectful that they chose to go with a lot of the original dialogue with some minor changes. is. But I feel like that was a terrible decision. I think they should have updated it. I don't I don't really know why they chose to go with that. I think yeah, if you give it a complete rewrite and bring it up to date, it could have been much better because it sort of felt like they were trying to do what the original did and have people's responses to things be maybe not in keeping with the emotion that the questions were asked in or like they were going for this sort of creepy uncanny vibe, but it just reads as stilted in this movie.
Yeah. And a bit silly.
Yeah.
Um was one of the one of the lines that they reused for the remake, was it, "What's in that bag? Is it a shark?" Was that something that Edward Woodward said in the original?
Honestly, I can't remember. But I would not be at all surprised because that was so strange.
Why would that be your first guess?
It would have been even weirder if they went, "Yeah, how'd you guess?"
Yeah. What was in that bag? It's like a Hessian bag. We never get to see it. We never find out. And that's my biggest problem with this.
I guess that's in the unrated.
Oh, yeah. Maybe. I need to get it. I need to get it.
I don't know why I'm selling this to you.
Do you reckon there's like an like a second sight version of this? Maybe.
Um, I'm going to go no.
Get on it. Second sight. I would like to remake the Bad Lieutenant movie, but I would like it to be with Nicholas Cage. That's not bad. It's not terrible.
I would like him to play a detective that he's addicted to pain medication.
Oh yeah, you're getting better.
(07:01):
I would like to set it in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and vaguely maybe has something to do with the housing crisis of 2008.
You went a bit scouse at the end there.
Did I?
Did I? Maybe Welsh 2008.
I think I will spend this entire
No. God, no.
As Vera Herzog,
please don't do that. Please.
I would like I would like to have many reptiles in this movie.
What? I don't know.
Can we Can we have Dan back in the room, please?
I'm back. Okay.
After being briefly possessed by Vera Herzog, talk inside me for gosh, too long, longer than he's ever been inside me. Um, yeah, Bad Lieutenant and grounding his character I just thought really worked very well for me. But then that's not to say that I couldn't watch another film where someone is just a complete scumbag for seemingly no reasons or perhaps there are reasons that aren't fully explained that are just hinted at maybe. And and that's that's that can be enough as well.
I think it's I think it's definitely a matter of personal taste. for me because
films like Wolf of Wall Street, for example, obviously
masterpiece
across the board, critically acclaimed. Everybody loves it. You think it's a masterpiece. I struggled with it, man.
And I get it. I get it that it's played for laughs. It's a comedy, what have you, but he's such a piece of s***. I don't enjoy watching that.
I don't know. I I think I think I struggle with that for the same reasons I struggled with this. I don't know why that's such a stumbling block for me. And yet, I'll watch horror films where people are murdering teenagers for no good reason and think it's excellent.
Like you say, it's just a matter of taste. Wolf of Wall Street is a really good comparison. Like I I I enjoy that movie and like you say, everybody on the planet apart from you enjoys it.
I look I can fully acknowledge it's a brilliantly made film.
(07:22):
No, but it's it's the the problem with the movie. Well, there's not a problem with the movie. Let me let me say that now. There's not a problem with the movie. It's fantastically made. It's one of Scorsese's best. It's in his top five. for me easily.
No, my problem with the movie is Jordan Belelffort,
but yes, that but that that's, you know, you're meant to have a problem with him. You're meant to be like, "This is a piece of s***." But it's so f****** crazy and absurd the stuff that happens in it.
It It's kind of entertaining while while you're watching it. But the problem is that a lot of people watched it and went, "I really want to be a trader."
Yeah. A lot of people took the wrong message from that movie.
It's the fight club problem. I want to start a fight club. No, my guy. You didn't watch that movie, did you? And if you did, You didn't understand it, did you?
Well, it's it's the same sort of group of films that that those people always caught on to. American Psycho. Um,
great example. Yeah.
Uh, you've already said Fight Club. What's the other one?
Choke.
Was that Chuck Pelino as well?
That was Sam Rockwell, wasn't it?
Was it?
Yeah. He loves Wanking.
Yeah.
In in the movie. I don't know about Sam Sam Rockwell. Maybe he does. I don't know.
Who doesn't love Wank?
Most people enjoy it, I think. without hands.
Oh, dark.
Um,
but I'm sure there there's a tall replacement for that.
(07:43):
Yeah. Um,
but yeah, but movies like that, like you say, American Psycho, Fight Club, like there's a bunch of those movies.
The Matrix is another one that they always just people take the wrong message from it.
Oh, don't the f****** Red Pill. Oh my god. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Like, and Twat Face, what's his name?
Andrew Tate.
Yeah, you knew who I was talking about. He the amount of times he he brings up the Matrix.
Yeah.
And I'm I'm so offended by that because what he's referring to as the Matrix is not real for a star, but also you're taking this movie that had really good intentions and it's a f****** great movie.
Mhm.
And you're kind of pissing on it.
Made by two trans women is not, you know, that's worth mentioning.
Yeah.
He he and they do not have the same ideologies. I would hazard a guess.
No. Yeah. I think you're probably right. Yeah,
that's just a good example of pe people taking a property and just completely taking the wrong lessons from it, not really understanding what they're watching.
But it's difficult though, isn't it? Because if you sort of if you accept that once a piece of art is out into the world, everybody gets to draw their own conclusions, everybody gets to to get to take their own read of it,
then who are we to say anybody's doing it wrong. It's really difficult. It's really difficult.
I would say anyone that watches Andrew Tate content unironically.
Yeah. And If you're using it for nefarious purposes, like to to further your own agenda, then that's bad obviously,
but not relevant to Port of Call New Orleans.
(08:04):
No, I can't imagine anyone's watching this film and going, "Ah, I really want to try some heroin."
Yeah. What a hero this man.
Yes. Yeah.
Look at him accepting his promotion. Dead behind the eyes.
Yeah.
What film are we covering next week, Dan?
Well, next week will be the penultimate. Sadly, we are uh in a tail end of my Nicholas Cage. about it.
I'll be so sad when it's done. But it's the penultimate episode of this season next week and we're jumping ahead again by nearly a decade. We're we're chronological order. You understand? We're doing Mandy, which I believe is 2018.
This is Was this at my request? I did push hard for this one.
Well, there was it was it was this one and there was another one that I think you were kind of hopeful that that we would cover, but I think perhaps we would get that one and maybe We'll talk about it in Manny's show. We'll get that one into another theme. Yeah, I think but but for sure but for sure there were there was an element of
okay, I've made you watch The Rock and pay yourself off in
I'll throw you a bone.
I'll throw you a bone. Um but also like it's a great movie and and I I think I've only seen it once and it's one of those where I was like
it kind of blew me away when I saw it and it's one of those that stayed with me for a long time
and I'm really interested to revisit and see if I have a a same or different experience. Like, it's a it's a very weird movie.
Sure is. Yeah.
But we'll dig into to Mandy next week.
I can't wait. So, Dan
Sarah,
um I I seem to remember at the start of this season you promised us three Nicholas Cage facts each show.
Yeah. You got to call me out on this.
(08:25):
I am going to call you out on this because we haven't had any for a while now.
No, I've got one for you now.
Oh.
Um Nicholas Cage, he was in a movie called Mandy. And that's
I did not know that.
Fascinating.
No, you're right. I'm glad that you mentioned it actually to be fair because yes, I did commit at the start of the season to giving everyone three Nicholas Cage facts per episode, which would have equated to 24 Nicholas Cage facts,
which sounds easy to be honest. He's a very interesting man.
I think it was probably doable, but the problem is that when I committed to that, I was unemployed. And then after a couple of episodes, I all of a sudden got busy as f*** and I had to work. So, I kind of had way less time.
So, what you're saying is you've got commitment issues.
I I've got I've got commitment issues. Yes.
That's troubling to me as your partner.
Um so, I haven't. Yes. That I fell off the wagon on the Nicholas Cage facts. You are absolutely correct. And I can do nothing but apologize for my behavior. Um I am going to seek therapy and address this head on. You know,
I think you should. It's only It's only right.
It's not I'm not I'm not proud of it. Um it was a different time back then. Like I said, I was unemployed. Uh but I hear what you're saying and I'm I think I I will address that head on and try and be a better person and not commit to something I can't fulfill.
That's all we can ask.
And I think I think that makes me a great guy um to admit that. Um um yeah. So I've got no more facts for you unfortunately, but you had uh
with some good ones. Yeah,
it was good while it lasted.
Yeah,
I I tried to do a bit of a dive on this because
(08:46):
obviously triangles are having seen Beyond the Black Rainbow really prevalent in in Cosmatos work. Um but also in horror films in general and in the kind of pop culture realm and they're often associated with things like the Illuminati,
right?
So I was like, why why the f*** are triangles evil. I decided triangles are evil and I couldn't find any sort of reasoning or general consensus. Um I did read somewhere that sort of the triangle often kind of represents stability. So when you flip it on its head, it kind of represents instability, I guess. And also there were some references to things like the three-pointed shape being the Holy Trinity,
right?
Um but I don't know. I'm stumped.
There's something very arresting about the image of a triangle when it's used correctly. Like I think you mentioned a void earlier. That's when I think of um triangle. I can't believe we're talking about triangles in movies.
But like
well they have that on their hoods, don't they?
Yeah. Uh but like I think just think about that cover and the the t-shirts. You've got the the void t-shirt, haven't you? I did.
Yeah. Oh, you got rid of it. I did. Oh, that's a shame.
Um
but yeah, there's something quite disturbing about it. Like especially if it's like a neon situation happening.
Neon demon there. a big neon triangle on the front.
Yes. Yes. It is weird, isn't it? Like it's I hadn't thought about that before, but it is very unsettling.
Like is it something about 180 like 180° situated? Like do we not like
And what sort of triangle are we talking is triangle? Are we talking toone? Are we talking pyramids?
Toblone are known as being the most evil chocolate.
Yeah. Yeah. Although they did used to follow us on Instagram.
Yes. do.
Yeah, they stopped following us. So,
pricks. Did they figure out we were vegans?
(09:07):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah,
they're not not even going to buy from us.
No,
we don't want your overro overpriced airport chocolate.
Yeah, it just it just hurts the roof of your mouth when you eat it. Like, it seems like a nice idea. You think that's interesting, that's not a rectangle. Let's put it in my mouth. And then it like and then you get a little like cut in the top of your roof of your mouth and it hurts for like a week and a half
and you regret it. It's like I regret eating that tolerate. the most evil chocolate.
They are. They're s***. And I'm glad they authored this. f*** them. Yeah. Like um the other great triangle movie, Stargate, of course. But the but the triangles in that movie, they're sometimes evil, but sometimes camels live in them or something.
Yeah, that's that's what you took from that movie, was it?
What happened in that All I can remember from that movie is Bunny White.
All I can remember is Kurt Russell's terrible jarhead haircut.
Yeah. Awful.
Great movie, though.
It is a great movie.
We should What? Are we going to get stargazed?
I Let's finish Mandy first, please.
Okay. Okay. Yes. So, we get that. I can't believe that tangent we went on. You bought up triangles, so it's your fault.
Well, I was desperate to know.
Uh, I suppose I owe you an apology.
You do.
I It's been a pretty crazy season.
Mhm.
(09:28):
Our Nicholas Cage, sorry, my Nicholas Cage season. You always correct me on that.
Um,
yeah. I don't know. Like, we're covering Pig if you haven't guessed already. Like, it's in the description. And it was between this and a few others. Maybe you should have gone for something a bit more upbeat as a final episode cuz this is a little depressing.
A little depressing. Yeah, you could say that.
I mean, I was pretty ruined after we watched it
both times.
Both times. Yeah. Was this was a second watch for both of us, was it?
Yeah. You you uh you blind bought it, didn't you?
I think so. Yeah. I think it's one that sort of snuck up on us and I saw the trailer and I was like Oh, have to buy that.
Yeah.
And yeah, it ruined me and I had exactly the same experience watching it for a second time. So, I don't know, man. I'm going to try really, really hard not to cry in this episode.
When I say like it fully destroyed me.
I'm tearing up now just thinking about it.
Really?
I don't know why. Yeah. This film really really affects me emotionally.
And I'm the one that loves pigs.
I love pigs, too.
You I mean I mean, but pigs are my favorite animal. Like,
yeah,
if I could just easily have a pet pig, I would do it. No question.
I mean, you can have a pet pig, but easily is maybe not part of that equation.
(09:49):
Easily was the key word in description. If it wasn't if it Yeah. Um, 2021, this film, so it's our newest Nicholas Cage movie. Been going in chronological order this time.
It was hard to narrow it down to eight. We'll talk about that more in our rap show perhaps over on our Patreon feed.
Yeah, I'm curious to know what didn't make the cut. Well, everything else.
Yeah.
That he's done.
His entire other filmography.
Yeah. But
God, that's going to be a long show.
Yeah. We look not going to go through every single one of his movies. Just other other ones that I was considering really.
So, what what Dan's saying, you're you're promising to review every single other Nicholas Cage film in the rap show?
No. But what I am promising is that we'll cover another eight when we do Nicholas Cage 2.0.
No. Look, maybe a decade from now.
A decade. from now when he's got another 130 movies out.
Yes, exactly. Assuming I live that long,
there'll probably probably be a The Rock sequel by then.
Probably. Maybe we'll get the Face Off sequel that's been teased for so long.
Yeah, f****** Wingard. Pull your finger out then. What are you doing? So, going to the beginning of the movie, then it begins with Cage living in the forest with the pig and they're looking for truffles and it's the first maybe 10 or 15 minutes it's just those those two just milling about in the forest. I would happily have watched that for an hour and a half. I'm not going to lie.
All right.
I don't know if I could. I was I was getting ready for it to for things to happen. To be honest,
I was digging that. That pig was so cute.
Do you know what the pig was called?
(10:10):
No. Do you?
No idea.
Oh, I do know that because the budget was so low, as I mentioned earlier, they could not afford a fully trained pig. So, they just had to hire a regular pig. And because of that, and because of the the shoot schedule being only 20 days, Um, it kept biting Nicholas Cage.
Um, and after one particularly nasty bite, he was sort of joking about the things that have happened to him on sets, like, "Oh, he's been lit on fire. All these things have happened." He was like, "But I'm going to die of sepsis from a pig bite, aren't I?"
He wasn't actually on fire for Ghost Rider, was he?
Um, yeah. There was no CGI.
That's That's impressive.
And at the end of Wikman.
Well, yeah.
Um, yeah. So, not a show pig. Oh, interesting. Yes, it is amazing that they managed to get any footage at all with with with an untrained pig.
I know. It was so good though.
So, they just found like a pig just milling about in a forest and went, "Yeah, do you want to be in a movie pig?"
Yeah.
I don't I don't think there was a conversation. I assume
pigs are very clever. You don't know that.
They are very clever. Yeah. They're sort of similar to dogs in intelligence, I believe.
Yeah. Possibly.
Possibly. Your favorite animal. You should know this.
Well, I'm not a pig expert. I just like him. All right. I'm not bored of Nicholas Cage. Like I
I'm not bored of him. I've just got a fatigue. I've had enough for now.
Yeah. Well, that's that's fair.
(10:31):
He's a lot. He's an intense actor.
I could I I think he's like my second or third most watched actor of all time on Netflix. Samuel Jackson cuz he's been in 10,000 movies.
And then uh Nicholas Cage, I think.
I could believe that.
Yeah.
But yeah, that brings us to the end. coming of cage and it's been a real journey,
hasn't it?
I'm proud that I didn't cry this episode.
Yeah, you did well.
Um, but yeah, you'll be pleased to know that we've now reached the end and we're moving on to something else next season.
What is that something else?
Well, it's season 10 and we thought, didn't we, we thought we would do something a little bit different. We always take it in turns to choose seasons for a start
and we always do eight films a season.
Yes. So, this time we Why don't we
not do that?
Not do that. Yeah. Tune in to find out in in 3 weeks. Um yeah, we thought, let's do a slightly longer season, season 10. So, we're going to do 10 episodes.
Mhm.
We've chosen a theme together. We we agreed on it together and we've chosen five movies each and the theme is flops.
Yeah.
So, I think it's going to be an interesting season because we I think well, we we we've pretty much nailed down what the lineup is, uh, which will be announced on Patreon, our free tier in a couple of weeks.
Y
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um, but it's not to give too much away, but it's going to be probably mostly bad movies. Um,
you say that I I've been this has been an eye openener for me because so many of my favorite movies are on this list.
Yeah,
apparently I have terrible taste.
Well, well, and me, too. There some of my favorite movies are on this list.
Well, and some others. I don't have I picked a good movie. I don't know if I have actually. I think all of mine might be classified class as terrible movies, but I I love some of them. Um but yeah, so we'll be we'll be back in a few weeks for season 10 flops 10 episodes. If you want to see the lineup, be on Patreon in a few weeks. Become a free member. Check it out.
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