Power, Politics, and Smuggling in Nigeria

Join hosts Dez and Mayowa as they delve into the captivating underworld of smuggling, from Fayawo during the Second World War era to its modern-day implications on Nigerian society. This episode is inspired by Fisayo Soyombo's investigative report on IBD Dende.

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Dahiru Mangal:38.20

Unfolding through an in-depth conversation, unravel the mysteries of "fayawo", a common term used to denote smuggling in Nigeria, understand the roles of powerful figures, and experience the thrill of a fact-or-fiction game about legendary smuggling tales. From the life story of Tom Johnston, a daredevil smuggler involved in an audacious plot linked to Napoleon Bonaparte, to the intriguing ascent of Dahiru Mangal, a political figure alleged to have precipitated the decline of Nigeria's textile industry, this episode is filled with mind-bending revelations.

Embark on a journey with our hosts through the alleys of Nigeria's past, bearing witness to the rise of smuggling empires and their impact on the crumbled textile industry. Gain insights into untold alliances, the ruinous economy effects, and navigate with us through the paradoxical socio-political landscape of Nigeria.

Bringing together striking expose on smuggling scandals, tales of influential figures, personal experiences and a light-hearted banter on adulthood, this episode promises to be an educative and entertaining dive into Nigeria's socio-economic realities.

As we pry open the lid of power dynamics, smuggling, adulting, and scrutinize the actions of Nigerian government on financial platforms such as Binance, get ready for an immersive podcast filled with learning, laughter, and truth. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to comprehend the origins and effects of Nigeria's economic challenges.

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Hi guys. Welcome to the Dirty Lie podcast. My name is Des, and I am here with...
Mayowa, you do. I'm here with Mayowa from Suburge, from Uncultured,
from Cultural Custodian, from Twitter.
From Overnight Success. Mayowa, do you know what I was thinking about on my

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way here? What was it? You hate mushy stuff, though.
Yeah, but go ahead. You hate it, but I was like, you gave me my first press, like written press.
And you're the first person to interview me and
but what i remembered also is you put me on some marooch so
shout out to you we put you on some marooch that was yeah
okay it was a collective decision yeah but you

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were like yeah yeah come and i was super shy to ask and you're like no we got
you well people people love that episode though really yeah because it's funny
i didn't like i mean i think i've listened back to it like recently but it's
like i was i remember some of the things we're talking about that like coming
from a long line of you know stubborn women yes,

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So, thank you for the first time you're on the Dirty Life Podcast.
And we are talking... This is the first time I've been on the Dirty Life Podcast.
Really? Oh, because of you.
There was a time when we were recording in my last house. And I was talking
about something really serious.
Yeah, we were talking about the plane hijack during the BFN role.

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And you just screamed because I was in the hospital.
It was last year. Yes. I think it was in January last year because it was the Arsenal-United game.
And I remember it because I think United were winning 2-1. And then Saka scored
that goal from outside the box. And I remember shouting at him like, fuck off!

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It's very respectful. But okay, so that was your first showing on this one.
Yeah, that was my first show on the day tonight.
But now you're here for real. And today we're going to talk about Fayawo.
Is that how you pronounce that word?
Is it Fayawo? Yeah. yeah yeah yeah i mean
because it's like fia wall yeah yes

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smuggling we're talking about smuggling in history
including nigeria i was i don't
know if this is obvious but i was inspired to do this by
fisayo shiromba's fij report on ibd dende and the you should but more so what

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you need to do is you need to watch the video that shows this guy shouting on
a custom guy. Was it a custom guy or a policeman?
He was shouting on a custom... I saw that, but I didn't watch him.
He was shouting on a customs officer.
Kind of like, how dare you stop my trucks?
Are you surprised? No. But one thing that that video does for me is it does a lot. But first of all.

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You see a whole bunch of trigger normally trigger happy
custom officers or police officers with their guns etc
begging this guy okay like calm down
calm down calm down please calm down and another
thing is he says the ibd dende says in
the video that your boss he basically says
that they're one of the custom bus bosses yeah

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just had his own shipment of smuggled
rice ice delivered through that exact same
border and his own four trucks went so how dare you
stop my own fair enough and then
you also see like and a guy who
was empowered to do his job or felt empowered to
do his job by stopping a shipment being like

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what did i do what did i do he said he's going to kill me what did
i do and you hear the fear in his voice and like
for me just that that video captures a lot
about nigeria personally i think it
captures a lot like even if all these alleged connections
to like more powerful people do not
turn out to be true that video alone shows the porosity of our borders powerful

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people like this is like you know my erisco report right yeah right it's like
chioma alleged that they that they were begging him like Like she was sitting in the headquarters,
in police headquarters in Abuja, and the police were begging him, sorry now.
So for me, I think like, and this is, again, because this is a history podcast,

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like it'll be very interesting to kind of obviously dig into the idea of like state capture.
Because I was having a conversation with someone earlier today and we're talking
about how a lot of things which kind of obviously had like noble intentions.
Yeah. And how like Nigerian factor kind of just kills everything.
Thing so because a lot of times this thing
is not because they're it's not that they are bad ideas or stuff

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it's just because it's it's the story of
nigeria where and in the
context of like obviously state capture because i think it's something that you
look at particularly in the last like maybe in the fourth republic so
post-99 you look at it like i think
from like obviously the traditional rulers that's one
class of what you would say was maybe like traditional

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control which have kind of like been co-opted into like the system and then
it's like yeah all these guys are just in bed with the politicians and then
you also look at like law enforcement and it's like at every level so from hush
puppy and abacari that year to like.

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Yeah, so it's very, and it's crazy because obviously these are things,
it's like when people tell you these things, it's different when it's like you read about it.
But it's different when you literally
are witnessing it happening in real time. Happening in real time.
You know, I think that what you said is interesting. And I always look at the
sad state of some traditional rulers because I do think that we do have some,

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we still have some tier one kings, you know.
And you can see from the behavior yeah
that they have respect their throne themselves
and that they command respect but
it's one of those things that you look back at
when the british came at the end of the day like the
land etc it was owned by the tribal

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rulers like the role that they played
before colonization and in that even the 1940s like
in the colonization shut up kusoka and also the
role they played in agitating for independence like
is so crucial and it's it's it's just weird
to see the things that are becoming embedded in

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our culture and things that we're losing you know a lot of times people
are like oh you know we should be more modern
and whatever but i'm just like bro the things that we're embedding right
now in our culture is the worst things and then the things we're
losing we're losing some value that is actually important.
In terms of lineage in terms of like traditional rulers having
kind of a clear like it's crazy to me

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right that a governor can't come and remove the
emir of can you know it's funny as you were saying that literally i was
thinking i was like that like i was thinking like gandhi
being able to do that was like
the instance where it was just like everyone everyone involved
should have kind of taken a step taking a
step back to be like yo dude like you can't

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like what are they what's exactly are you trying to
do here and then create multiple emirates like
it is honestly as somebody who just and i
don't even think i'm that conservative or
whatever but like i respect history and traditions
and culture like it is actually crazy
to me that ganduji gandolas can you imagine gandolas the current apc national

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chairman had the ability to remove sls and that's the thing because it's like
even if you don't like whether you agree with him or not it's just like there should be a point where.
You know when you're about to cross the Rubicon it's like it's like if you're
about to jump down from the balcony where someone's like guy behave yourself
like just let's call like that at some point yeah like pull back which I think

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is like it's an obvious so the big elephant in the room obviously this happened
under Buhari and as someone,
Buhari obviously being someone from the north who had like.
Who i would assume has an appreciation for like the
traditional throne and you know i'm surprised like
or before that like he never tried to be
like okay you're a dude like i you know one thing

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about buhari for me is i cannot
believe that i can't put any
complex thought on that man like oh this might
not be good for him long term like god
forgive me but he's just you know you're not wrong i
can't put like i can't see that buhari
has made a decision using both sides of his brain like and

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the thing about it one of the most because you know they did
talk about cabal right in buhari government and
i would listen to the statement that they would say you know
el rifai elahi muhammedi tc no matter
what it was even when like el rifai fell
out with the cabal when especially
when the notes are being printed and when he

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the the words he was using like you know they've i
don't know if he said like they had confused or misled the president but for
me i'm just like i feel like every single
member everybody even i think i need to release my episode with galadima next
but everybody who i talked to who had had some type of personal relationship
with Buhari I just feel like they thought well this nigga is not that bright

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so I want to be the puppet master like they all just felt like they could be the puppet master to.
A dull boy it's like the way they talk about it is like the last person in the
room is the person going to convince Buhari of something and you know these
these things that they said he stood in like anti-corruption or whatever it

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just seems like he was unbothered like I don't even did anything Did anything bother him?
It's funny the one thing i was going to say i just remember it was like,
do you remember in 2019 when his wife his brother-in-law
was trying to run for and the funny
the thing is obviously no one like isn't
buhari did not say this to me but what i heard was

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that essentially buhari was like you that he knows what this guy had before
he became president and he knows what he has now you don't do that he essentially
told apc told everyone involved he's like yo guys I don't care about anything
that happens in this election but that guy must lose,

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oh
oh my and I'm like where was he wearing for governor was it at Damawa I don't
remember precisely when,
yeah but I think he didn't I mean
obviously he didn't even win like primaries or anything because they they killed

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that bad idea from the jump but it was just like oh the fact that you know that
guy but harry hated him that much that like he was he got a reaction out of
him he got terrorized out of if something is gonna piss you off it's gonna be your in-laws.

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Okay let's go back to today's topic so firewall
comes from i don't know fire i give
our people forgive me because i'm not one of y'all
but it comes from i believe
second world war era in nigeria
where you had we had food rationing okay
and so people were going hungry and

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as they do during war as they do during war
but you know our food i spoke about this last week in that our food
was being rationed and a lot of our food was also
being taken to the british homeland under the
cover of it's going to like british empire
to the soldiers or to the war effort but apparently some food
was being diverted from nigerian stomachs to

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british stomachs during the second
world war and basically talks about people
who would like drag like climb under crawl under
their fences like on their chests like they would crawl under to try and get
some of the food that was essentially being like smuggled out like the gary
not the gary but you know what i'm saying like you know the staple foods we

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had like rationing we had price controls that's when you get that so basically
like buhari was in control but worse.
But a little worse like they actually was like because a huge problem also is
that first i think over 120,000 Nigerian men went to serve and a lot of women

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started and this was a population boom so this was significant,
and a lot of Nigerian men.
Points really and so you
have women who are taking on a lot more roles like
including like both farming and selling in the
market and they weren't able to make profits
from it because the british literally said this

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is how much you can charge price controls yeah like they
had a severe price control but they also had like severe rationing so
there's a lot going on during that time that's that whole
rise of herbert's my colleague and
etc anyways that's where the term comes
from so today's facts there's been a lot
of lead up to today's facts honestly but i feel

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like people enjoy a leading conversation before
we get to the juicy juice i don't think
you're going to get this wrong is the surprise is the
problem but it's good to have you it's good to
have you on here friend so facts fact one
okay there is a famed english smuggler

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one of britain's most notorious criminals called tom johnson and he was part
of a secret plot to rescue napoleon by submarine which makes Makes him the first
person to invent a submarine.
That's fact one. Fact two. John F. Kennedy Sr.

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Kennedy Sr. That's JFK's daddy.
Was a known smuggler with ties to Al Capone. Which was confirmed by WikiLeaks.
During that era. Right? And fact three.
I'm bringing it home. Have you heard of Daihiro Manga?

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Well, fact three is that the owner or founder of Max Air in Nigeria is an alleged
smuggler who single-handedly destroyed the Nigerian textile industry.
Which one is the lie? That's what I'm supposed to say. Which one is the lie?
The first one is the obvious lie. Oh my God, you got it wrong.

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Really? How?
Wow, I'm so happy. I was like, ooh, how do I play this game when you get it wrong?
That's why I'm pretty sure, like, are correct. No, the thing is that,
like, there's actually no proof that Daddy JFK was a smuggler with ties at Al Capone.

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So... When you say there's no proof, because I've read, like,
so the thing is... We can discuss it. Yeah, yeah.
If he won, like... No, so the thing is, there was a point in my life I was obsessed with the Kennedys.
Okay. So I'm very familiar with... With this story.
Yes so like in terms of because i know that
like joint prohibition he was like a butt legger okay
we'll go into that okay yes so should we actually should

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we go into that first yeah which one do you want to go first
let's go to the first one first because that's the only one i
wasn't familiar with okay this one
is a funny story i think
so it's talking about this secret plot
to rescue Napoleon by submarine just
out of like I wasn't expecting a British man called Tom Johnson to be hanging

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out with Napoleon yeah so this guy lives a very interesting life so let me give
you some background into Tom Johnson the smuggler I don't know why I just said that like that,
but basically he is known as Limington's most famous smuggler he was born in

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1772 and he was brought up as a fisherman by his dad who was a smuggler.
So I don't think he was brought up as a fisherman.
I think he was brought up as a smuggler. I think he was brought up as a smuggler. Family business.
It says that by the age of 12 he had developed formidable skills of seamanship
and he knew the south coast of England. What was the problem with seaman?

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Like, I don't expect this from you. What?
I don't expect this from you, my wife. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
I'll say it. What's the problem, seaman?
Anyways, he knew the south coast of England so well that by 15,
he was piloting his own sea vessels and he was a smuggler himself.

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I'm really happy for you in the era. okay
so we were talking about where were
we semen before nepa
took light anyways this guy by the age of
15 is a serious smuggler and
a lot of sources say that like they

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don't know if this is true or if it's tinned with romanticism because
he becomes this famous yeah you
know smuggling pirate submarine creature whatever but
one source said that he's said to
be over six six feet tall with handsome
clear-cut features dark curly hair and
vivid blue eyes women children dogs and

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horses adored him when children dogs and
horses interesting they're basically saying that he
looked good he smelled good and he became really really rich and he would work
for both the French and the English governments when they were at each other's
throats he did double agent he helped the French and that's how he like gets

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you know into this whole Napoleon thing.
It's also said that he he also spends time in jail first he was taken prisoner
by the French and he languished in French jail.
And then later on, he was taken, he was thrown into fleet prison,
like debtor's prison in England.

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He broke out of every prison. It's said that no prison could hold him for long.
And then what do you want to say now
i just want to say he broke out from every prison i was like
that sounds like a prayer break every chain bro bro that's the type of prayer
i need right now you break out of every prison you break out of it and the current

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prison i'm in right now is the prison of refusing to go to the,
somebody is out here which is crazy because i feel like i was looking at a previous
conversation and we had this i told you that you should climb this skill that other you know.
The worst part is that like i've been climbing the skill

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like literally and it's not triggering you it's not like
i didn't don't know my mental health was all the
way here i thought i was weaker i was like
what is it what is it gonna take what is it gonna
take but i also think it's also a little
bit like an economy thing because my gym
now is like 50 something k but like when i joined i

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joined as a copper and i was paying something like 20
15k or 20k like they're not
increased but i use why you to stay on 20k for like
two years but because i quit the gym for that long if
i go back now i'm paying 55k a month and i
cannot afford that well you spend that on your fashions on your instagram vendors
wow not you coming with sense yes i am going back to the gym so my friend messaged

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me and he was like oh because i've been eating good though i've been trying
so like last two weeks you know low carbs high protein i'm trying to get back on it and.
Veg for every meal and my friend messaged me and he
was like oh so like you know gym gym and
i i snapped that what is your friend what
type of friend no like my actual friend like my actual friend

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and he was like oh so like you know
we're much though because he was like i came back to the gym i was like step
by step at least i'm eating healthy and he was like we're much though and i
said you know there was no light like the things i said to you i was so upset
i was i mean it's like three months from summer so i know i am going to get back in the gym.

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Inshallah okay anyways let's go back to johnston somebody
who obviously did not need a gym because he was a sexy
six foot tall smuggling kingpin who was breaking out
prisons there was a report in 1802
because mind you like he lived a very weird life because he was like a criminal
right but he made so much money and apparently was so charismatic that he would

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hang out with the higher classes of society i know back in the day how class
this dude like yeah not the way we say classes now.
You will not enter Meku.
Unless you went to school abroad. I was going to Meku tonight.
Oh, but you're not... We're recording on a Friday night. I want people to know

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that we are recording on a Friday night. Why do we not...
I mean you don't even you're fine i'm unmarried i'm
actually single like i should be out i should have i
should go out with my girlies do you want to know
i'm a bit triggered because yesterday i went to
make her to drop a friend i'm scared of what you're going
to say yesterday i went to make her

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you're not going to expect this yesterday i went to make her
to drop my friend and i drop
her she's like just come in now just say hi like say
hi to ozzy and i don't know and i was
like i okay okay i go in i say hi to everyone
i'm like okay let me get out of here because it's hot like
i'm not wearing makeup i'm just here to drop out i have work tomorrow whatever

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go outside my car won't
start what happened to me at work club yesterday i
was so
embarrassed because like my car wouldn't start it
wouldn't open i didn't know mine was mine was the the the
key it was just your car key it was actually yeah
so we had like for like 10 minutes in the because we went like went to book

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club for breakfast oh god like because i think we had an errand to run in the
morning so it was just like you know let's just like do breakfast like we're
already on our own road and so we went and then it's like okay let's go home and then.
So i first of all they're like oh it's probably just your car
key nah it was the car battery yeah so

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first i like and at this point like i'm outside
i'm sweating i'm in a panic because i'm like i need to
go home i don't know what i'm going to do i leave my car out here
also because like things be happening on the streets yeah but
i heard a story of like a month ago that the parking lot next to me where they
make you park if you're not a member like some some people's cars were getting

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broken into or something like that so i was just on i was just like i need to
get my car out of here and i don't want to ride an uber this time and i was
like okay let me go back yeah it was at night so i was like okay let me go back
inside see who i can ask for help,
but i'm like panicking i'm like sweaty people
don't have like a jump start and all that shit no but thankfully my cousin was

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there shout out to bobo who you've interviewed actually you interviewed bobo
for shout out to bobo felt republic yeah so shout out to bobo and his driver
who sorted me out and i was able to get home but i was so embarrassed and my
mom was like Like, why are you embarrassed?
It happens to people. I was like, bro, like people... I wasn't embarrassed about
this. I wasn't embarrassed that my car stopped working.
I was embarrassed by how much I was sweating because I was fucking like...

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And then it's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Like I couldn't cool down. Like I was not calm.
It was just... I was like, what is this? What is this? Global warming?
Okay. Okay. So let's talk about Johnston's... One of his prison breaks as written in the newspapers.
By the way, there's so many stories about this guy that we didn't even really know his last name.

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It's spelled differently in newspapers and people's books, whatever.
But okay, Johnston, the notorious smuggler this morning, affected his escape.
Notwithstanding, he was confined in a strong room with a double door.
At the top of each door was a panel instead of glass.
By forcing these out and creeping through them, Johnston was able to reach the

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gallery. From thence, the high wall that surrounds the prison.
There he found a rope ladder which his friend outside had provided for him.
In the evening he arrived in a case and four on the coast near Brighton where
a lugger was in waiting for him, in which he embarked on for Kelly, on his way to Flushing.
He had a severe wound in the thigh which he received in the following manner.

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He had gotten on the top of the
last wall that separated from him and the street, 70 feet from the ground.
A lamp was set in the wall some distance beneath the
place where he was he let himself down so as to fall
astride the bracket and in so doing
a piece of iron caught his thigh above the
knee he ripped his thigh almost to

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the top so anyways he
recovered from his wounds in France so now
let's talk about how this smuggler who I
feel like is maybe the least interesting part of
this episode let's talk about the secret napoleon
part okay everybody knows i don't know if everybody knows
but napoleon was bonaparte what

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what did they there were so many words for him why those nicknames of napoleon
i'll tell them apparently like his height is over exaggerated oh yeah tmt and
i've spoken about this before because somebody like saved his penis what do you mean.
Like that's why they cut it off and they saved it yes I'm like it's in some

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woman's house in America was he packing I.
Was it like your thing where you like i need
to remember because you know honestly i forget sometimes you know
sometimes people come out like talk to me about just like podcast
episodes which makes sense because i did do the episode i
research it but you guys like i forget things sometimes but

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i do think i think napoleon's penis
is like someone like boston or something in someone's
apartment oh i don't have service in your house so i can't check so napoleon
was in in exile on the island of Saint Helena in the middle of the Atlantic
because the British sent him to exile. They didn't want to risk him coming back.

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He was there for six years before he died. But before he died,
it is alleged that Tom Johnson.
This famous smuggler, adventurer and inventor of submarines,
sketched in 1834 this plan to free Napoleon from Saint Helena.
Know oh by the way like i keep saying tom
johnson is british which he is but i feel like it's important to

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clarify that this is an irish man you thought
i was gonna say he was well he was welsh i thought you
were gonna say he was like from wales from wales oh oh
no i want to just clarify that he's
irish because you know how the irish are they're
different friend but basically it says that in 1820 or so there was he was offered

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a sum of 40 000 pounds to rescue the emperor napoleon from exile and he drew
up this submarine look at it.
Doesn't look bad honestly like yeah you
know at this time obviously there were no
like underwater vessels so this is one of the first connotation what drawings

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the plans so he what he literally like invented the submarine yeah but the thing
is that he wasn't the only person so he met this This other guy whose name was, let's see.
Okay. This guy called Fulton, who was an American, I believe.
Okay. And Fulton had planned for, so Fulton is an inventor and he is remembered

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for being, for developing the first practical steamboat.
Okay. And he had spent years in France peddling designs for a submarine.
And he had actually persuaded Napoleon to help him build an experimental craft
called the Natulius in 1800, so this 20 years prior.
And it was tested with apparent success on the Seine.

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And a few years later, he designed a second, more advanced vessel.
And the illustration of that vessel that he designed is similar to the illustrations
of Johnson's submarines.
Marines his own is not a submarine but like the illustrations are very simple
similar similar and apparently after he designed the second.

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Apparently, after he designed the second vessel, the French were not interested.
So he was like, I'm defecting to Britain because I must make my money.
And in 1804, he signed a contract with the British Prime Minister William Pitt
to develop his own system of submarines for warfare.

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And that he would get £100,000 in the event of their success.
Now, it's hard to determine where Fulton and Tom Johnson met.
Like nothing, no historical fact kind of survives to let us know.
They were probably pen pals.
But there are quite a few books, including diaries by French generals,

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books by Tom Fulton's prison mates,
you know and books by like authors
around that time that all speak to this event
so like it definitely so not
definitely happened but you know what i'm saying yeah it's pretty much backed
by sources from that era like it's not like people are just
talking about it 10 15 years down the line it's like

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there's a french general who talks about plants he doesn't name tom
johnson but everything kind of aligns like
the thing is because this guy is a smuggler and criminal and out you
kind of have to like take his word at with a
pinch of salt with a pinch of salt like oh okay because you
know because after he also talks about i was not just supposed
to rescue the emperor but like a an egyptian prince of also reach out you know

(31:47):
like it goes crazy but yeah i would say this is the story i'm not getting that
into it like i'm not gonna describe the the submarine in detail.
But yeah, there was a criminal and there was 100% a plot to rescue Napoleon
via submarine, but then he died from cancer.

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So he never got to rescue Napoleon. He never got to rescue Napoleon. Yeah.
So, yeah. And also, the sources come from both the French side and the British.
Yeah. So it's like, yeah. Interesting.
So now... We've gotten this interesting one out of the way.
Oh, actually, like, I don't know. Now thinking back, like, I feel like this

(32:29):
is more interesting than the Kennedys. But, okay, let's jump to Nigeria.
And then let's end back in my other country. Those are the Tazuni. Okay. continue.
Dahiru Manga what do you know about this man I know he's he was part of the
mythical kapow I know he was he's from Katsina I know that he was,

(32:59):
a prominent PDP sponsor PDP sponsor or Yardua well it seems like it was both,
and he supposedly is responsible for the decline of like textile industry in
nigeria and northern nigeria they call him the man who makes you import ankara,

(33:21):
from china that's crazy
with made in nigeria tag bro that is
absolutely insane the fact that
they fake make it made in nigeria tag it just
like that's deep now yeah like you
know what what you should do now you know like when trump says china you

(33:42):
should just edit that put that in oh my
gosh trump i'm apparently supposed to talk about him on the news tomorrow i
am not gonna why what's he doing i don't know man just like trump biden update
like i i don't care trump wants to win he's probably going to and good luck
to the democrats for creating this situation.

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Daihiru Mangao, founder of MaxLine, started from humble beginnings,
apparently, as a truck driver. That makes sense.
Definitely makes sense. After his former education, according to Naira Metrics,
in this what seems like a PR piece,
he leveraged strategic friendships and associations to secure business contracts

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and grew his empire in different sectors.
Mangal is the chairman and CEO of Max Air Limited and has engaged apparently
in philanthropic acts and infrastructural development programs,
including a cement plant and a power plant construction.
Now, for the rest of this episode, I'm going to preface everything with allegedly.

(34:49):
I'm saying allegedly now, so I don't have to keep saying allegedly later.
Don't worry if you need to say it, I'll help you say it.
Thank you for having my back because if the igp comes to carry me i will drop
your address i will absolutely snitch i am not.
I will want company in the prison cell okay well they won't put us in the same

(35:12):
place that's true they'll put me in my cell they'll put you in my cell so that
means like no matter what i do i'm alone am i you'll make new friends am i friendly
you'll make new friends you don't have a choice in that type of situation.
Am I friendly? For survival.
Chama Okoli, in my report with her, explained what prison was like and the time
she spent in prison for her Facebook post. No.

(35:38):
That dream you don't want to go to. You're going to dream by force.
No, no, no, no, no. I would, no, no, no.
No, that is not for me. you know how
people talk about oh like like gab dammit what's
her name again sawaba that woman um who's like

(35:59):
she was fighting she fought for women's right
to vote in the north okay and she was stabbed she was thrown in prison she's
like often quoted as the most arrested like political prisoner in nigeria whatever
but my own is like how do you go to prison like multiple times especially when
you kind of had like his soft life like y'all forgive me because obviously,

(36:23):
i like softness but even if i didn't
nigerian prison like there was a hole in the ceiling which okay that's not surprising
but that means it was raining on her and she was standing in like filth and
water and like who does that i don't feel like a nigerian prison would be different
from like American prison no no from like NYC camp I mean.

(36:46):
Did you see that they they spend the Comptroller General of Night Correction
went in front of either House of Representatives and spoke about how like we
budget more for our the dogs in the correctional services than for prisoners for food,
That's crazy. I'm not surprised again. So, I'm sure it's worse than NYC.

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No, but, well, it's worse. How big are the prison rooms?
They're not big. Like, because you know you have holding cells,
but then you also have like all these places where they just put through like
tons and tons of tons of people in the same room.
That's what I was trying to clock. Because I want to say NYC camp. But, NYC camp has beds.
No, but those beds, like bro, I might as well be sleeping. But they don't have

(37:31):
beds. I might as well be sleeping on the wood. Okay. Like the mattress was barely
there. There's no bed in Kirikiri.
Unless you're a VIP prisoner, there's no bed. Have you seen pictures of our
prisons? I've been to Kirikiri.
Okay. Well, I haven't been to Kirikiri. I've been to Kirikiri prison.
There's no bed. I've been to Kirikiri a couple of times, but to me,
I didn't see like where they slept. Okay. There's no bed.

(37:51):
Fair enough. So what is on the floor? Like mats? Yeah.
I'm sure like you can get somewhere to buy mats for if you have like family
or something or favor or whatever.
But I don't know. They're on the floor. so is that fun I know there's definitely
no AC but is that fun how would that be fun small ceiling fan is it just how
would that be fun yeah is that even funny is that funny no that wasn't oh they

(38:15):
will now be fun in our prisons.
Okay let's talk about the alleged smuggler Dahir Barrow Manga was born on the
3rd of August 1957 in Katina Katina State to the family of Alhaji Barrow Manga and his mother,
Hajiya Morgjanatsu Mangal. Allegedly.

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He grew up with his family in Katsina and had his early education in Katsina.
Allegedly. He then went to primary school, Katsina Arabic Teachers College, and graduated in 1976.
After which he became a hustler, starting out as a truck driver. Allegedly.
And apparently, fortune smiled on him and he was able to branch off into several businesses.

(39:01):
When did fortune smile on him? So was he just driving the truck?
No, let me tell you something. Sometimes I see Nigerian journalism and I know
we're technically part of Nigerian journalism.
Yeah, but we're not from the brown paper tribe. yeah it just
it's just like what are you talking for like if you say fortune
smiled on him like five times and this person goes from truck

(39:23):
driver to owning mrs oil nigeria plc
please please do something in the middle come
on anyways sahara
reporters has an article called how buhari
rewarded dahir manga smuggling kingpin
whose activities killed nigerian textile textile industry

(39:45):
with national honor which is true yeah because
where are you getting is now con he is a commander of the order of the night
well ccc that actually is apt say c-o-n spell it like just say it con exactly
it makes sense so even even even in buhari's like state of like madness he was still in on the joke.

(40:11):
Dude have you seen bahari laugh before yeah
i have but then it's funny because there's like
a video that's played in my head where like he laughs but then he stops you
know it's like that kanye west like the meme where it's like he's laughing and
then he realizes like that everyone is watching him laugh and then he stops
and then frowns like that's book that's boo boo okay so So the Sahara...

(40:37):
You've seen the... Sahara protests, yeah.
Yeah. So there is a Financial Times journalist called Burgess who published
a book in 2015 about smuggling in Africa. It's called...
The looting machine warlords tycoons smugglers
and the systematic theft of africa's wealth it's
by tom burgess it was published in 2015

(40:59):
and you can find it on amazon kindle
if you have amazon us non-kindle if you have amazon uk for the reason it's not
on kindle in the uk store anyways he talks about there's an article financial
times article that goes into yeah i think there's like Like an extract on it.

(41:20):
Yeah, there's an extract on it, and it talks about Mangal and his activities,
and it's called Nigeria Unraveled.
Now, the very funny thing about this, which I guess is not that funny,
is that I found out about this when I was researching El Rufai.
Yeah, because there's a link to El Rufai. Yeah, in 2005.

(41:42):
Now, Mangal is... Can you be doing your allegedly... Oh, allegedly.
Okay. Okay, so Mangal, the route that he takes is Niger into Nigeria,
border of Katsina. Allegedly.
And in 2005, apparently he was so powerful that they were like,

(42:03):
bro, like, we can't actually stop him. So let's beg him.
Allegedly. So it's alleged that in 2005, Osheng Obasanjo decided to do something
about smuggling. and the damage was causing the textile industry.
So he dispatched Nasir El-Refai. Allegedly. Yes.

(42:24):
Who was a minister from Kaduna at that point, later governor of Kaduna,
to try and get Mangal to clean up his act. Allegedly.
Allegedly. El-Refai told Burgess, who wrote this book, that Mangal asked him,
why does a basundra call me a smuggler?
I just do logistics. sticks. I don't buy any of the goods that are smuggled.

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I'm just providing a service. Allegedly.
And it talks about his smuggling hegemony, and it doesn't just include textiles.
It's alleged that the smuggling capabilities of Mangal, just the amount of fake
Made in Nigeria clothes he was about and bringing in from China.

(43:13):
They would bring it in. Okay, so there's some WikiLeaks on this.
So let me let me go to the wiki leaks on this because it said that so like you have.
Obviously information that was classified but leaked with wiki leaks like i
just like looked on my phone yes and there's an alert there's an alert from

(43:34):
the new york times breaking news a new jersey businessman pleaded guilty to
trying to bribe senator robert menendez by giving his his wife and Mercedes Benz.
And I was just like, this just sounds so Nigerian.
But yeah, back to you. President Tinubu, I just got an alert.
President Tinubu congratulates top fashion designer Folake Akindele on 50th birthday.

(43:59):
This was tweeted by NGR president.
But there's obviously a reason why now. What's the reason? Her former husband is an APC boy. Who?
Fole Koka. No comment.
Because. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they're not together again?

(44:22):
I didn't know. But I know because I saw her name came up in the document.
No, obviously. Crazy.
What did she know? Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Investment promotion. Okay.
I was always... He ain't good now.
Anyway. Anyway, so, yeah. Yeah, so this is one of the unclassified documents.

(44:44):
This is like the U.S. ambassador and U.S. consulate doing all these interviews
and getting all this information.
And they called Dahiru Mangau Yaradua's Mr. Fix-It.
It says, it's alleged that... Every president has one of those.
Yeah, it says alleged that Mangau would take care of anything filthy that Yaradua

(45:06):
needs done in addition to smuggling items for several wealthy Nigerian businessmen
through Niger into Kano.
A Kano business contact corroborated the allegations that a contact,
who I will not name, obviously, even though they leaked his name.
Corroborated the information that was being gathered, observed that Mangao no

(45:30):
longer deals openly in illicit activities since Yaraduwa named him as a special
advisor earlier this month.
So Obasanjo couldn't stop him, but Yaraduwa allegedly could.
It's said that...
Yeah um what's this guy's name bangal had
a warehouse in nigeria

(45:52):
allegedly where you have hundreds of
containers stored and he
would take a flat fee of two million dollars and
not charge you custom duties on
your actual he constituted
himself full customs you know

(46:12):
he said he he constituted himself you know what that reminds
me of what's considered authority no it reminds
me of my interview with bellot okay
where he said mfl constituted himself
the attorney general of the federation he constituted himself
the business and this he even constituted himself the foreign minister
from that his wretched office yeah yeah

(46:35):
i mean so see the word wretched is one
of my favorite words in the english language and one of
the reasons why it particularly like stands out
is like when people use it listen to
like the way like their inflections the way they'll like say it's like it's
such a beautiful word it's delicious yeah it's actually a good it's a good it's

(46:57):
a good in another wiki leaks they refer to mangal as one of the president's besties.
They they call him he said to have benefited from contract with when yaradua
was governor of katsina he's alleged to be one of the wealthiest businessmen
in the north and in katsina itself.

(47:20):
Here they say it's rumored please allegedly again allegedly allegedly to have
a connection with some fundamentalists in the north but i i don't know anything
about out there. That's not what we're talking about today.
Now, I'm sorry, but I need to read this part out.
It has nothing to do with Mangao, but it has to do with an often forgotten attorney

(47:42):
general, Michael Andoka. Oh yeah.
So this is...
This is really, really funny because this is in a US wire and this is going from like...
Oh, God. Let me just read the sentence. That was a terrible...
I'm trying to think. That was a terrible Attorney General. Allegedly.

(48:05):
No, that one, I'm saying it in my chest. I don't even need to fucking...
I don't even know how allegedly...
He's the Attorney General that precedes Baladoke, who I interviewed.
Yeah but because he's the one who was when jonathan
was obviously i guess trying to when all this stuff was happening in yard where
yeah like he was one of the people that was all like he's just like he like

(48:27):
you know like the useful idiot thing like he exemplified it it's like i'm going
to read this line because it talks about how like undercut is one of these people who,
was an advocate for removing efcc chairman
ribadu and now our nsa ribadu you
know this is when everybody was going through trials and tribulations and it

(48:50):
said but this is this is the funniest part so it
basically talks about anduka and he's talking
about efcc etc last night i said if you think of darth vader you think of the
ag i'm dead i'm dead oh my god like i was like yeah no this is random so i feel

(49:11):
like i've gotten a bit distracted but yeah this is this is the whole.
Cabal slash mafia you're talking about if anyone who's
listening to this podcast has not read bella adoke's
book burden of service please buy it read it i
don't you know it's funny on the yard what time the two books are kind of like
really what's it too i mean she got denny's and was really cool i haven't read

(49:34):
that one send it to me but burden of service by bella adoke i can give you a
copy why because you got like 20 i do have like 20 years he signed everyone.
No i don't i don't know i have i didn't open them like i give
them to the listeners of the pod but it's so
funny but the second thing is that i read el
rafai's book which is the accidental public servant yeah

(49:57):
and el rafai is as biting in his book
as he is in his interviews and he's
a shop man this is why
if i see people no i shouldn't say that i mean
but objectively he's sure but what is wrong with me what is wrong
with you but the reason why i say that this

(50:18):
is really funny is because like there's a part where he talks about like
he talks about yadua yadua years like extensively at
his beef with yadua you know they went to the same primary i'm sorry
same secondary school yeah um so they knew each other since they were younger
and he basically says that yadua was dirty and we confuse that with humble that
like he didn't take care of his self like he's supposed to be this rich prince

(50:39):
and he was always looking rough and scruffy and we confused that with humble
we just we just didn't consider the fact that he had bad hygiene.
I'm paraphrasing but i read that part and i was screaming in my house you know
it's so petty i know that is so petty and you know because the ardua is dead
or died people kind of you can't say anything negative about him in the nigerian

(51:03):
public space there's no space for,
I can't speak ill of the dead except it's about Chanyu a southerner but.
You've been inclusive but
that part of the book was so funny I also thoroughly enjoyed Accidental Public
Settlement by Elrify so you guys should read that book but yeah so I found this

(51:25):
story out because allegedly sent Elrify to go and beg this man to stop smuggling
goods into Nigeria and he was like I provide logistics.
I'm just the logistics guy. Like, would you call DHL a cocaine trafficker?
There might be cocaine in their packages, but it's not my business.
So it talks about how Kaduna basically lost their textile industry and not just,

(51:54):
it's not just the industry,
over 300,000 jobs were lost.
That means the economy of the cities were lost.
That means the supporting businesses, like the supporting jobs,
not just the textile industry, but people who are making money for their families,
sending their children to school people who were selling food you

(52:15):
know people in the market the labor force the
guys who were doing logistics drivers who were
taking these materials throughout the country so
this they lost their jobs and it affected the city and
when we look at insecurity today in kaduna and
we look at insecurity in the north we also have to consider the fact
that industries have been killed industries have

(52:37):
died you know it's crazy that we're saying this because like a similar thing
happened in england like in the north like post thatcher
i was like a lot of like the industries just
kind of essentially just went fell apart fell
apart you know and you you
you have people and you know in this article in the book it says that chinese

(52:58):
contraband had chinese contraband had so thoroughly captured the market that
it was impossible for nigerian operations to compete because obviously china
has like cheap labor and they're mass producing and.
Essentially it says that like nigeria became a consignment to the trash can of globalization,

(53:22):
i think the thing i even find crazy about about that thing
is like the fact that it became cheaper to get it
from china than to do it here like yeah but
that kind of makes sense like you know then the chinese construction
companies in nigeria that use slave labor yeah
yeah like what you can't compete against
slave labor and like economies of

(53:42):
scale to that scale like i guess also when you're
smuggling it because the thing is the thing i was thinking about
is like okay not just like obviously the cost
of production but also like the cost of transportation i
mean obviously yeah you're smuggling it into the country but like you're still
going to get it to nigeria from china yeah like so
that's still yeah yeah i

(54:04):
don't know like it's just it's crazy it is and so
it said that during the 1990s chinese factories started copying african designs
opening their own distribution branches and there were 16 factories in china
that were dedicated to churning out textiles with a made in nigeria badge sewn into them.

(54:26):
Crazy. By Niger to... By Niger to go to Naira.
For a time, the Chinese material was of a much lower quality than the Nigerian original.
You know, if you say China, to say bad, like China.
But they said the gap narrowed as Chinese standards rose and obviously their

(54:47):
prices were much lower, which meant they took over the market.
You know, on that point, you reminded me of something. So one time I was trying to buy an AC.
And the guy there was like i didn't want this one because i was like oh it's
from china he said which one would come from china not you being racist not you being racist.

(55:10):
Well that's fair which one to cover but yeah so
it said that manga please allegedly allegedly
allegedly yes thank you acts as a facilitator the
conduit between manufacturer and distributor jupiter managing a
shadow economy that includes the border border
authorities and political elites allegedly he

(55:30):
said that he charges a flat fee of or
not two million dollars sorry that has been exorbitant two million naira in
2013 which is 13 000 per cargo but i mean in this economy those numbers would
be crazy yeah man 13k dollars today is like what that's like 15 m yeah that's

(55:50):
like times 7x in 10 years.
I'm aware I'm suffering. That's why he collected corn. But I will go. Oh my gosh.
In 2008, Manga was estimated to be bringing about a hundred four,
a hundred forty feet shipping containers across the frontier each month.

(56:11):
Question. Would you fly Max Air? I've flown Max Air before.
Oh, you have? Yeah. I think I flew it to Quarra
for a wedding knowing what you
know now would you still fly it if the ticket is 100k and
value jet is 150 because max
is supposed to be safe interesting my answer

(56:32):
is no for listeners because i do stand on business unfortunately
for me standing on business is expensive it's
uncomfortable it's not it's
a harder thing than like doing not standing on
business it's it's literally it's not actually fun like
i feel like people don't understand how unfun it is to
stand on business i'm just required to do it by virtue

(56:54):
of my personality because i have pride and i'm
stubborn so i must stand on business but like
yeah that's how there was a time where i
was in polo i feel like i spoke about this i don't know
when i feel like i've spoken about this recently but i was in polo club and
like bunch of i was like walking past the box and a guy called me in i feel

(57:16):
like he might be listening somebody who knows so the situation anyways he calls
me and he goes uh you know you you're very anti-abc i was like no i'm not.
And then he was like oh this person is i don't know they're like two or three,
apc the lawmakers appointees or whatever in the
room and my friend was there so but it was basically like a bunch of nigger

(57:38):
right and me i was like i was like i'm not anti-apc i'm anti-rubbish if somebody
else is doing rubbish i'll call them out right now you're in power and you guys
are doing a lot of rubbish like and he's just like oh but are you gonna you know like you know you
I like you guys man I don't know about you guys but let's be real like I'm gonna
say what I say I was like do you think I'm gonna say this when I rise I'm not saying it to your face.

(58:01):
I mean if you say it to the rise I was like do you think I'll post something
on my Instagram and not be able to talk about it I'm not that girl like I'm
really not even and the thing about it is I honestly think,
I'm my best version when I'm challenged like if
somebody challenges me or tries to come at me that's actually when my brain wakes

(58:21):
up because sometimes my brain be sleeping but like
it's like my brain knows that we're in
a situation and that's why i started remembering things i didn't know i remember sometimes
i'm in an argument and i use language that i did not know was in my lexicon
my personal pocket of the words i use i was like i say that even or or you know

(58:45):
if you're seeing a guy or something or if I'm dating a guy or not dating a guy
whatever and we're having an argument,
sometimes like the things I see I'm like wow you go school so,
you're quick on your feet I'm quick yeah I know I am I am I am but yeah no I
stand on business and it sucks like I wish
like I just feel like you know sometimes like I don't want to talk about Nigerian

(59:06):
problems at polo club like I know I'm going to but like I actually don't want
to right now because I'm going to wake up and talk about it tomorrow and I wake
up and talk about it the day after and at least that one pays me they are paying me
yeah i'm literally coming here to chill and like i'm obviously going to argue
with you what do you want me to say half of you have collected appointment half
of you are waiting for the appointment what do you want me to say.

(59:29):
Am I supposed to shut up? No, you should tell them how you feel.
And honestly, and then on TikTok, somebody else was like, you know,
after my fashion interview on TikTok, people were abusing me that I have a bad
way with my pockets. And then on...
Bro, then other people were saying, oh, she's unobedient. Other people were
saying, oh, I'm like, everybody, it's the same clip.

(59:52):
Everyone projects what they want to project. You're projecting what you want to project.
And I have peace in knowing that the same clip on different social
media or youtube or whatever it elicits such
a different response that i'm just like oh i'm
cool that's crazy because people yeah people see
what they want to see it's so funny particularly when it's like it's just
so off base but yeah so

(01:00:13):
manga like should we talk i'm not gonna
talk about any connections to anything bad except
for smuggling it says that the
share scale gale of manglas mangal's smuggling operation gave
him sway over nigeria's northern borderlands where
many of the north senior politicians were it's

(01:00:34):
said that so many people were benefiting from the custom service the way it
was that they wanted to keep it like that it was allegedly said by yakubu dogara
who was a member speaker yeah speaker of the national speaker of the house of
Reps in the Nigerian National Assembly,
he chaired an inquiry into the customs service.

(01:00:55):
And according to the writer of this book, when he asked Dogara about Mangal's
role, he suggested that he was at the center of a smuggling operation.
And he goes, some of the perpetrators are well known, even customs knows them,
but they are not empowered to go after them.
He apparently paused and said, the person you have just mentioned is untouchable.

(01:01:20):
Untouchable. That is Mangal.
The number given in the Financial Times is that 325,000 people out of 350,000
who were employed in the Nigerian textile industry lost their jobs.
That is an insane number.

(01:01:41):
And I mean, also an industry that just no longer exists. And that's why we import Ankara.
That's why we import Ankara. That's why we import Ankara. And it's also just
sad because you also think about people who had lives and livelihoods that had,
they were doing valuable work or tangible work.
And like, you look at Kaduna today, and like, Kaduna, like, has dealt with so

(01:02:04):
much insecurity and just all these things.
Than it is you just think about how sometimes you can actually
draw a straight line i mean it's funny
because obviously it kind of links back to where we started but again
that's just like representative of the decline of nigeria
like you can literally just trace it yeah
so from like you go from like obviously state capture to

(01:02:27):
like and all these things are kind of obviously symptomatic of
all those things because it's like now every situation where one
person essentially has wiped out a whole industry and
and he is a con a commander of
the ninja and i think also like you
know we look into this and you see that okay he

(01:02:47):
funded yaraduva as governor as
president a pdp bag as you said he
also has a close relationship with buhari who then
awards him he apparently apparently goes clean
because they're like you're too weak to feel as
if he's jp morgan so he just
goes clean too big to take down right the government is like i have to we have

(01:03:11):
to beg you and like you're just like okay guy you're my friend now enough of
this bad behavior you know what i'm just thinking just imagine the manga when
like in 2007 2006 when it became clear that that Yara was going to be president.
Like, bro, that guy could not, like, that's why he would not have been able,
those are his wildest dreams coming true.

(01:03:32):
Like, you were there just, you know, just in your little corner in Katsina doing your thing.
And all of a sudden, this guy that you've been funding has just,
they're just like, yeah, this guy's going to become a person. It's like, ooh.
As in, there's one of these wires that call him Yardua's best dude, but I don't know.
But it also, there are quite a few wires going through the U.S. Embassy and, like, U.S.

(01:03:52):
Intelligence talking about his closeness with Yardua, especially around the
time Yardua was ill and they were trying to figure it out.
And it said that like random but it said that like a lot of these guys talk
about how rialdo is allegedly like clean but the yardu has wife dirty.
But like that whole cabal time they were saying that because they were essentially

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saying she was the one no but this is proceeding this is actually proceeding the cabal intelligence,
for what i was reading was proceeding the cabal talking about her time when
he was casting a govno which is crazy the other thing i kind of also remember about her was like when,
yarrow was president and she engineered like
three of her daughters to get married to govnos so like

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i just love a forward-thinking woman you know
what like i have no beef with her on that like because
you know something in-law stuff can
get you far man especially in the north like marrying into those

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families it's beneficial family ties
are key bro keeps the legacy keeps the prestige i
was reading this intelligence report about like the cabal yardos
cabal it's so funny knowing what's to come afterwards because
do you like imagine all these guys who are eating good during this era and like
bullying ribadu no like power is so transient that i don't understand why people

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do certain things it's a hubris yeah it's a hubris i think it's like when you're in power you don't think,
You don't think it will end? Yeah, I think people like, yeah,
they don't think it will end.
And obviously it's also like, yeah, you don't think it will end and you lean into it fully.
So, yeah. Who would you say are the members of the Tinubu Kabal,

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if you had to? The Tinubu Kabal? Yeah.
Like, what do you call them? The Lego City Boys crew.
So, the thing with that is, so now, when we say the Tinubu Kabal,
because I don't think it's not like they're not controlling him.
It's different in a way like what they are is like they are brain trust so essentially
it's like leadership by committee and a lot of them i think is kind of cleaner

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like cardi b badger then there's also tony subaya.
Don't know what about tony subaya what tony subaya got
the rights to love island nigeria but he's not
used it since we're following daddy up and down oh
my god is that why they keep saying is coming is
coming is coming it's not coming oh my god it's

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not coming because he's not he's like he's not
his his technical title is
sa what domestic affairs yeah i think
so home or domestic affairs like i heard
he's pulling muscle there man he gots pull muscle now
if he were him you know pull muscle head of domestic affairs
you know how powerful that position is very the other thing

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reminds me of is like when i mean this was
like maybe two years ago when chris is it
chris andy andy uber was debating solido
and essentially i think there was a point where andy was boasting that like
you know he brought solido to avasandra and solido fires back that like you

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didn't bring me shit like you were there laying bed and like because i think
like Like, it was the same, like, title. Title, yeah.
Oh, but Alibaba was powerful. Well, yeah, he was very powerful when Alassane was president.
But, yeah, so if we're saying what the Tinubu Kabal. Yeah. Yeah,
I'll say those guys. I mean, Ribadu, obviously.
What was his close to Tinubu? ST. Oh, yeah. I mean, that one goes without saying.

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First son. First son, yeah. First son. And also, the thing is,
like, first son obviously now empowered all his own people. Yeah.
Honestly like you know shout out to any of y'all if y'all listen to this i know
y'all are my friends or my enemies depending on what i say on my instagram bitch.
Boy no you know what i find it

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interesting now i think as
we're adults to see how things are playing out and
i guess the roles that we play because we're both what the fourth what do you
you call it fourth estate fourth estate i'm finding it very interesting i'm
enjoying what i won't say i'm enjoying myself but i i can feel myself becoming

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more adult in my thinking processes,
but what does that mean.
There's like a stage of adulthood you reach where you
realize that someone is not
adult or intelligent just by virtue of
their age there's a way that you go through childhood like
when you're a teen and you think adults do nothing and then you

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grow past that right and you're like actually no they know things but
then you get to a stage where you meet them in their adulthood and
you say and you're like i have more sense than you don't tell
me what to do and it's not no no no it's not
like it doesn't apply to most people it definitely
doesn't apply for me in like most things
yeah but i no longer have imposter

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syndrome yeah in a way of like.
Being in a room with quote-unquote adults
you know so this is my favorite thing about social media so like
a lot of people that you would have looked at essentially i
was like oh this person's smart or like a lot to them like
you give them their phone they'll cast themselves and they
have and they have like it's like you're like so there's

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some people that just say yeah bro you did that don't think you
might think it was four years ago i've not forgotten so like
i'm not even gonna i think like for me that's that's
one thing it's also i think also just working
in the news or paying more attention to like news or interviews
or asking people questions and i'm like please like explain your thought process
on this right and they explain it in a way that i not only understand but i'm

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like again like i don't think you use both sides of your brain on this one as
you're saying this i'm thinking of i'm forgetting who that guy was the one who
was shouting at you was calling you by your last name oh.
And then like yeah obviously these guys are not used to being asked like it's
a very simple for question what you're saying makes no sense but the thing about

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it is that like sometimes there's there's this pushback on engaging it in just like the,
Like the thing that requires you to use intellect. Like, because there are a
lot of people, and I say this to people all the time, like, what surprises you the most?
And I'm like, I've been surprised by the level of intelligence of a lot of politicians that I've met.
Because some of them are faking it in terms of how, they're not as dumb as they

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portray a lot of them. It is not...
No, continue. It's not like willful ignorance.
It's deliberate misdirection yeah so
it's not like i'm like oh i'm so smart no
i i'm starting to see how smart just some
people are but a lot of times like you think about

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the reasoning for certain things or what motivated certain things
even like policy decisions or statements and
it will be some random ass tweet or some random
ass article like some like what can influence these
these decisions does not have to be so complex like i
think it's because like when i was in school there were just
things that would be so complex that my brain would go like

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when i was doing econ like there's a level there's
a level of like calculation and i'm like no matter how much i look at this i
won't grab the most obvious thing in that regard is like the binance thing like
that it's clear it's just like you there's not that much thought going here
you guys are Do you know I back the federal government on Binance?

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When you say you back, what part do you back? I don't back Bayo Ononaga coming
on BBC and coming on channels and talking about something he has no business talking about.
I back investigating. I back... I don't know what happened with the exec,
so I can't speak on it fully.
But I do believe that when you have... Like, there's too much...

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When you have an opaque financial thing like crypto, which I also use because...
You're partaking in that.
I used to back in the day. No, but it would always be...
Criminals always take advantage of it. And when you think about the criminality
in Nigeria, the insecurity, the terrorism, I think, and I'm giving them the

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benefit of the doubt, mostly because Cardi B has been showing the working.
King and i just don't see cardi b
coming out coming out the person who
said cardi b deserves an award yeah because it's a sweet one
for me but i'm giving them the benefit of the
doubt to think that there is some validity into the statements they've released

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there's some validity into the investigations that they're leading and i'm giving
them that benefit of the doubt because sec is involved and nsa is involved and
cbn is involved and i don't think they're gonna do this especially just based
off of the working they've been showing recently,
I don't think they're going to talk out of their ass on this matter like that.
You're saying that like someone who hasn't watched the Nigerian government in action.

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No, I think the Nigerian government in action is like the other side of it.
It's the sensationalism. It's the 10 billion fans.
All these things that don't exist. All these media aids.
Tinuwe, first of all, needs to clean house. He should take his APC broom and
sweep at At least half of his media aides took the curbs. He has to get rid of some.

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Uddi or Lushev can go. Who's that? All he does is repost what Bayo says or what Adjuri says.
Why is he... We were talking about this Shih-i thing.
And it's also in terms of the power blocks and governments. Because you can't
tell who is here on who's... say so.
That now also just reflects in the the dynamics of like the governors.

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So if you're looking at like the comms part now, okay, Bahia Ononuga is a Sinambu
person who was put there because essentially he worked hard during campaign,
whatever, he's been loyal, whatever.
So it's like, okay, we give this guy. But the real person with power in that
whole situation is a Jewry.
That's the person that has been empowered to be in a position of power.

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So you can tell that obviously someone like Bayo Nonoga has no respect and is
not going to line himself up to being a place where he's reporting to Adjuri.
So essentially, it's almost like all of them are just doing whatever the fuck
they want. But then there's also Ortega, who's running the official...
Ortega, again, is also like... Kazan's a sheyit. That's an ST.

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I think so. So, Otega is bua.
Yeah, but I'm pretty confident the Brazilian Otega there is based off Estes'
recommendation or Estes.
Like, the whole, like, those media guys is really, he's the one that generally
has, like, dictated that.
I feel like this is the problem of coming up on a very unpopular ticket and

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having to please everybody.
I mean, it's the same thing we're seeing with our ministerial list of 40-something
large ministers. I mean, I tweeted something about this this week and I was
like, Like, this is precisely why this government is going to fail.
Because there are two things that I felt like if you look at where legitimacy
kind of like would have played a part in like... Oh, goodwill.

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Yeah, so like... I remember your tweet actually. Yeah, so looking at A,
the subsidy, the rule of subsidy, and then this like RSI report thing.
Yeah. So Tinopu does not have the morale standing.
Because those things, the way they were executed, they were not executed like
someone who wanted to make those things happen. They were executed like someone who.

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Just wants to do things like for the sake of doing things you
cannot as a person you see we're talking about like how
many media aids yeah you cannot talk about trying
to shrink the size of government and have the biggest cabinets
ever in the country's history like where
you're literally the one who was how do they fit into
the room for feck bro like you're literally the one who

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broke up ministries into like three or four tourism
creative economy so and information
like like like so how can
you now come and say yeah you know the government is too big we need to merge
a bunch of agencies oh like we have more
than the united states of america like it's
a losing hand and there's no like you just don't have the legitimacy

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to be able to say those things because your actions have
not allowed you have not earned you that legitimacy so
when you say it everyone is like people want.
To support it because they're like yeah you know this is what we need to
do or this is what but like your actions don't are
not in alignment with someone who feels like those things are important
it feels like you're just essentially doing things that

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have been and you know the thing is it's not even it
wasn't even hard because like buhari was so useless like
if you actually like just came in with
can you remember that era where everybody would say and I was
like okay chill and I didn't say anything especially
when Mephira was taken into

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chains it gave goodwill people were just happy because one thing Mephira did
not have is support but I remember like the first I'm not mentioning any names laughing laughing.
Honestly, I will absolutely give Rubadu your address. I just need you to know.

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But I remember the first time I really felt like doom and sadness is when that
ministerial list came out.
You know, there was like a first list and there was a supplemental list.
Because when I first saw like the essay list, I was like, okay, okay.
I mean, I wasn't like super excited, but I was like, okay, maybe this is the
team they're talking about.

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Some of these people make sense. when i saw the ministerial listing and and
to experience them in real time would you can i just came out and told women
if they take your eye what would we do this was best friend.
You know and that's the person that's looking for your
address huh that's the person that's looking for your address bro
she walked out on you yeah she she

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said some things to me she said some things to
me that scared me for like a little bit but then i was like not
that scared not scared enough not scared enough to not
release this but you know it's there's too
many ministers it's just too many and the
oran's iron report is so detailed there's the
white paper they said bwari did updated white paper last year

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or what and that's what they're implementing but even that
white paper with the updated report did we have as many ministries and
the thing i think they've been silent about is like the loss of jobs there's
no no way you're going to integrate all those like of course it's necessary
though no that's again necessary it's
necessary like it's like the subsidy absolutely needed to happen implementation

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yeah like implementation is fucking daft like done with no sense of like planning
thing anyways i think we have gone completely off topic yeah but i completely enjoy it.
Thank you for coming to the Dirty Lie Podcast. And thank you for inviting me

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and for allowing me to come here. Oh, wow. In an official capacity.
Oh, I just realized we only did two facts.
Yeah, we did the third one. We have to save that.
You know what? Do you want to do that episode? What, JFK? Yeah,
like you do your... Because you say you know a lot about Kennedy.
Yeah, I'm happy. So you can run it. I'm happy. You can run it and I'll come
and learn and I'll come with my just opposition.

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And like I say, I don't need to say allegedly for you. who's going to come for
you of course to Nostra RFK,
RFK is dead oh you RFK Jr. oh my you know who RFK Jr.
Reminds me of is the last thing I think about that Aulo that went to Big Brother.

(01:20:17):
How did we get here my baby how did we get here don't tell me how did we go,
okay from Obafemi me to this how?
I thought you were going to be roasting him because I think he had like not
a thing, he had like a beef thing with Tatcha and obviously Tatcha he's like,

(01:20:41):
who gives a damn about you grandson,
like this isn't going to get my grandson bro anyways,
thank you guys for listening to the Dirty Lie podcast today,
I hope you enjoyed it, I hope you subscribe but you can find mywa at,
mywaidu on twitter yeah mywaidu.xyz

(01:21:04):
website okay and you can find the culture custodian on instagram yeah everywhere
i cannot tell you what his private instagram is i can only tell you that i once
tagged him in a story and i got hate mail for two you know it's crazy i saw
you delete that i like i remember that happened so i saw you put it and then
i saw you delete it and i was like oh yeah they got to you,

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i keep telling you that's my uncle bye guys.