Paul Henry - The Daily Bespoke July 1

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Speaker 1 (01:07):
Busy as the first of July twenty twenty four. Welcome
all you Bespokey Dokies to the Daily Bespoke Podcast, And
we've got a special guest on the show today, none

(01:29):
other than Paul Henry.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
That's right, Paul here, Paul Henry is going to be
coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
He's going to be rocking and soon he's currently with
Jab John O n Bin and then he's going to
be getting and hanging out with us. So we'll be
covered and post it stamps they he's asleep. There'll be
there'll be so many practical jokes played on old old
Paul Henry when he comes on.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Have we got something something?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
We got a little something something?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Well, it was always good to think about what the
first question we're going to ask him. I mean, Paul
Henry himself a very good interviewer, so as he knows
the most important thing of any interview is the opening question.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Wow, I've got some information for you, Jeremy. I know
for a potential fact that he's had his nipples pest
in the past.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Is that is that public knowledge or is that personal
information that he shared at some stage?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Uh, I think it's public. It's in the public realm.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I think it's in the public realm.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Should we google it and see if it's in the
public realm.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Has I mean, do you I wonder how many listeners
right now know that's true.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Or not Henry nipple piercing. If there's anything that comes up,
Oh goodness, gracious, Okay, well that's really through something weird
at me. So it turns out the poor, poor poor Henry.
Paul Henry's some kind of like weird.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
E mail. There's a Paul Henry male. What is that?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Paul Henry is like a sort of a node model,
Paul Henry nipple peerson. M Okay, I got up.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Thanks, say Paul Henry scolded for comments on Hillary's breasts,
Hillary Barry's breasts.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
And I've got Paul Henry on the dick shirt incident,
have you?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
This is this is a good way to do your podcast,
isn't it? So you you do your research on the pot.
So this is a real look behind the curtains on
how how hard we work, isn't it the really look
like how the sausage is crumbled? The sausages crumbled, how's
the cookie is made? I've just googled Paul Henry nipple piercing.

(03:42):
It's come up with Paul Henry reveals why he hates people. Oh,
Paul Henry said, having just walked in on a conversation
about organizations that want them to attend their evening events. Okay,
I kind of get that. How many evening events do
you attend these days? I mean when I first moved
to Auckland, I went to everything. Oh bloody, go to
the opening of an end bloory did oh they used

(04:04):
to go? I mean when I first moved to Aukland,
I surprised there was all these events with free alcohol.
You have them because it was because there aren't really
events in Dunedin, I mean Danneedin. There's a lot of
great things to be said about my hometown, but one
thing is they don't have a lot of openings to
things or events. So if you're sort of running a
bit of a Z grade celebrity thing up in Auckland,
you can drink for free, Like on a Wednesday, there'll

(04:26):
be one, There'll be a Friday. Yeah, you know, you
might piste one on a Saturday.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I don't go to any because I work at nights,
so I really want to get home after I finished
seven chart. But I imagine are there's still as many
going on as they used to be.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
They don't get it. They don't get as well attended
as they used to be. Social media's changed all that.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, that's a good point because I used to be
used to.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Have the event, and the idea was that you have
the event like a bake catcher for celebrities. Yeah, you
take the photos of the celebrities and then on a
Sunday paper.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah that's right.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
But now you can just send the product to the
to the wounder, and the wounder will take a picture
of themselves with the product and then social media and
you don't have to put on free bows.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah. Yeah, so maybe that's what that's about.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I put up I put up a picture of me
because I got sent a product in the weekend.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I did some sales. Do you see that?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
What did you get sent from? This great jacket? Actually?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
And I only put it up because the jacket was
so great that they got sent and so that I
had this jacket here, I know, not that jacket.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
There, I'll show you the jacket.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
There, there's jacket I got seen from Tuesday label such
a great jacket.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Okay, they just randomly sent it here.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, I ran into them at a restaurant, the people
that owned the Great New Zealander Zone that you'll you'll
walk past that shop on ponts Me Rove Tuesday Tuesday, Yeah,
Tuesday label which part of Ponsmi Roads are sort of
around opposite Chapel kind of area. Yeah, great, Great New Zealanders.
But they sent me it and I took a picture

(05:59):
of my self with it and put it on social
So the system works.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Okay, did you put it on your story or did
you put it on your your whatever it's called on
his story on your wall on.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
The story way?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
What do you think is the difference between that and that.
I'm much more story focused these days. Well, story comes
and goes, doesn't it. Yeah, I feel like I feel
like it's a big compment to put an actual picture
out there that hangs out like an old's man's neppy forever.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, I think everyone goes with the stories nowadays.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, everyone goes with Hey, I've gone you know
how hard.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Some people shove.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Some people shove a reel up you mas, She'll shove
a real yah on the met and Jerry and.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I don't have them to do anymore. So I've been
a week. I've gone a week now without it, and interestingly,
my screen time report has come in and last week
I averaged one hour forty seven of screen time a day.
That's down from two hours forty seven, so I'm decreased
by an hour.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Jerry, you hurt my feelings on the weekend. Why because
I sent you a text and I said it was
a picture of the cover of Tripped, the new Norman
Euler book Nazi Germany, the CIA and the Dawn of
the Psychedelic Age, with the comment the blitzed author has
a new book out on acid seems like the kind
of thing that would give you a mess heart on

(07:14):
no response?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
What did you want me to reply? Yes?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Or just a little courtesy, a little a little bit,
a little bit of thinks.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Fine, I did she reply?

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Really, let's see, there's not like a there's not.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And then and then then I also sent you on Sunday,
No Saturday, no reply to the thing I sent you
on Friday because I thought you would get a massive
heart on about that book Tripped.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I was going to follow it up.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
We should get this guy on our podcast, you know,
because that book Blitzed is such a great book. And
now he's got tripped. I'm reading it actually, and it
feels like a bit of an also Raan. It feels
like he's trying to shoehorn acid into the whole a lot,
but a lot of the the you know, those initial
trials with acid. It's interesting he talks about how much
damage has been done to society by how they vilified

(07:58):
acid just to get the hip because they were anti Vietnam,
so they actually Nixon just actually went after acid in
his administration as a way to say that the hippies
were terrible and they're murdering people, and they just made
up these lives because no one's ever really murdered anyone
on acid, and no one was jumping out windows. They
just made this thing to say that the hippies were terrible.

(08:18):
But the damage that's done, and they're seeing now with
research that how much acid can do for mental health,
and you know, all psychedelics, you know, Psylocybin was another
one that they took them all out, and now they're
seeing the.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Value of it.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
But interestingly, the Nazis did a lot of work on
acid around they thought it was a truth serum, and
so what the Americans did at the end of the war.
They just went and swept in and took all the
Nazi experts and gave them jobs. They were quite smart,
like that day they were like, we don't care if
you've been a Nazi, we're going to just forget that.
But if you're a you're good at rockets, you know,

(08:51):
you're good at chemistry, all those kind of things.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
They swept on and got all these guys.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, and it's really interesting because the experiments they were
doing on acid the sea.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh yeah, pretty full.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
I watched a bit of that Nazi docco that's on
Netflix at the moment. Watched the last episode last night,
and Albert Spier, who was the one of the sort
of the pr people and behind the behind the Nazis.
He's one of Hitler's favorites. Yeah, they got on like
a house on fire, those two old Albert. By the

(09:25):
end of it, Albert was going, Hey, this war I
know Albert Shpeer was in charge of the munitions, so
he was like he was organizing all of the munitions
and he said, like about a year out from when
they lost the boy, He's like, we can't win this war.
We're going to lose the war, right, And he sent
her memo to Hitler and that said, I've always been
honest with you. We're going to lose this war. The
German people are gonna have some horrific suffering as a

(09:48):
result of this. I think we have to accept that
we're going to lose and just you know, yeah, and
give up. And as a result, you know, a whole
lot of people will not lose their lives and all
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Hitler was furious.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Hitler was like, there is no way that to and
so Albert Spear and then he said, if you if
I hear anybody saying this, and then came out of
public land said, if anybody says this, I'm going to
kill them, and I'm going any of it. I don't
care what rank they are. I'm going to take them
out and I will take out their family will immediately
be arrested as well. So Albert Spear was was quite
freaked out. Albert Spear has sent another memotim at some

(10:19):
stage saying, I think we need to again, we need
to have a look at this.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
This is the problem when people become dictators. Yeah, he said,
they literally only want to hear one piece of news. Yeah,
and that's what's happened in the end. You know, in
that book Blitz no One, everyone was just saying, sweet ass.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah it was it was not it was not good.
But then interestingly, at the Nuremberg trials sphere Albert Spear
was obviously said, there's this, there's these documents to say
this is, this is I was. I didn't want any
of this crap going on, but they still killed him.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Right, it was like, it doesn't matter you were, you
were in ahats with Hitler. That's bad enough. That's the
way that it goes. Yeah, that's where it goes.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, you're not good at rockets, you're not good at this,
You're not good at that. So we won't the Americans
won't come and save you.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Ye, you're all did, You're you're all dead.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's really interesting in this book, actually, and I take
back what I said about it being a US around books.
I found it really interesting. But it was talking about
Berlin and Germany after the war and just a society
with no government and no rules and just that that's
why the drug trade and there and everything. But it's
interesting it postulates that even though there was no rules
and there was no police, there was no government, that

(11:29):
the Americans were trying to work out what to do.
You got the Russians on one side as well, working
out what they're going to do with Germany.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
And Russians doing terrible stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
But then there's these people writing these letters saying that
in some ways even though basically every crime was on everything,
all everything was black market, everything was crime. But actually,
after a few months it actually found a way that
it actually functioned and the city started functioning without a government.
It was it was quite interesting, and evene was just
because you know, people were like picking up rubble.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
The whole of Berlin.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Had been basically bombed, and so there was just women
out on the streets just trying to pick up rubble
all day. They just pick up rubble and try trying
to build a society. But then you'd you'd have to
basically commit a crime to get any food.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And it was a completely lawless city.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Can you I mentionine that because of course your government's
been completely and utterly removed. Yeah, so you've lost the war.
There's nothing. There's no post office, there's no police, there's
no sanitation department, there's no electrician electricity department.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Everything was fucking gone, and everyone.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Just sort of over a few years had to just go, Okay,
well we probably probably probably shouldn't have been Hitler on
that one.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think I think he might have been a crazy
going on myth. Yeah, so how many Germans?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
I'm just interested because you so the Germans lost? So
they lost five million, five hundred and thirty three thousand,
So five point five million soldiers died and Germany and
World War II. Wow, that's quite a lot out of
a population of forty something million.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, and mostly men.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So you removed five point five million of your men,
or more more than the entire population of New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Total debts between six and a half million and eight
point eight million. Boy, they got completely smashed, and't they
there they go there, Yeah, they backed.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
The wrong guy. There, they did the wrong guy.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
But I mean, there's some people that reckon that most
people in Germany never supported the Nazi Party.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
They were all terrified.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
But you could, you couldn't do anything nless you were
out on the street fully pretending you could get a
knock on the door at your house. So there's some
people said think that their support was never above twenty percent.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Can they say how could people support that crazy dictator
in that crazy regime. And then there's a lot of
interesting podcasts that risters history podcasts looking back and saying
how they white people did because we all asked the questions,
how could you what a horrific regime that is clearly
a racist, horrible regime? And then it like, well, who
was interested? It turns out that teachers, us and young

(14:05):
people particularly were. It was the universal servant supporters of
the Nazi regime.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
It was the universities.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, the universities always have the most extreme opinions, don't they,
And they and often based around hatred.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Ye, the oldies were the oldies went into them because
the oldies had fought in World War One with a
whole lot of Jewish people as well, because they fought
as Germans.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
The oldest were like, hang on a minut, why do
we hate the Jews? I was fighting one, I was
in the trenches.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
I thought we were really angry about this whole Treaty
of Thesai thing that was that was imparted on us.
And there were Jewish people that were fighting with us.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
They're my friends.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
So the oldies were not easily convinced, but the young
people were much more easily commenced. Plus, the propaganda got
to the young people much far easier.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, well you can see propaganda getting to young people.
These days came they went to a little mashi meshi.
Anything you tell them, He'll believe any meshi. Paul Henry's
good as the.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Does he really no shit, So there we go.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
I thought the reason why so many people were into
the Nazi Regimaily Doors was because post World War One
there was a bit of a drug thing going on
and people were upset and they thought everyone was going
crazy and stuff like that. They thought everyone that like
Jimmy was Sally going to come to an end.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
It was in a terrible way a lot of the
reasons why the Nazis could take over, and the Nazis
blamed the Jews for the economic position and the traders
of Vasai, which were the quite quite full on terms
that the winners of World War One, you know, put
on Jimney.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So they say there was not a World War one
and World War two.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
There was just a World War One. Yeah, that went
until nineteen forty five.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, people say that that it's still going because the
lines that were drawn around that time.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
So we've still got the Middle East situation going on
that was that was drawn in the in the nine team.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like, there's people that say, if you look back from
a thousand years in the future, like we do on Rome,
you know, two thousand years or even a thousand years,
when we look back on conflicts, Yeah, people would, people
will probably won't go World one, World War one, World
War two.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I'll just go on it. Ah group map our group
Matt oh, Yeah, fair enough. Just because we were in the.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
In the thick of the whole bloody situation, we're like,
you know, we're like, it's a very actually very different
and is it really very different because it seemed like
it was Germany against France and Belgium and England in
both wars.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, similar finals of the twenty eleven and twenty fifteen
freo for World Cup, but you know, different World Cups.
So I suppose it's the same as the World War.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, but then also the way that Europe was chopped up,
the way that the Balkans was chopped up, the way
that Germany was carved up, the way that the Soviet
Union then took over all of the satellite states and
then but then they've retreated back. Now we've got the
Ukraine thing going on, and of course what happened in
the Middle East where Israel was given its own state. Yeah,
and you just all came out the back of what
was happening in Germany.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
And you've got Biden, although to be fair, he's got
no idea what's going on. But saying that, you know,
Peutin will invade Poland if he's if he doesn't get
stopped in the Ukraine. No, there's no, there's no absolutely to.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Know that much into Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Putin doesn't want Poland. You're trying to get Poland. Poland's
a pretty formidable operation now they're Poland. But anyway, but
that's the same kind of crap, isn't it that you
were hearing back in World War Two?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Poland?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Anyway, Should we take a break and when we come back,
we'll be with Paul Henry and the nipples. First question,
who's going to ask it?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Well?

Speaker 4 (17:29):
I think you should, because don't you know, I feel
like it's your You know him better than I do.
You definitely know him better than I was briefly in
a mansion with him up and I've never been in
a mention with them you know him better.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Wine before we answer this question.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, I got the dates wrong with the cups.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I mean four and I were confused as you were.
That's that's okay, that's good, mesh, it's fine. I just
want to clear that up. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
So, yeah, you got to ask it because you know
him better. First question, Yeah, first question, okay.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
So so is the questions I've been out of the
room sitting up for the interview. Is it just nips pears? Yeah,
your top vibe.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Still he's still?

Speaker 4 (18:11):
And then how your nips he's still pierce nips?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Was that all you came up with? Was that kind
of we got any other questions fro him? Or is
it just around his nups?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I'm want to say Tim's hard as well, because they
shot Traders too and Tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Oh I thought you I thought that was the name
of his partner, Tim's Heart.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
No, they shot so we could ask about tomorrow because
he's because when you think of Paul Henry, you don't
think tomorrow, do you. But he's been down in the
mentioned in tomorrow for like shooting that bloody chaw for.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
They mentioned in tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, Boat, I think there's some stuff there around.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
He's selling his boat, isn't he. I think he's not
selling it anymore. He didn't sell it.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Is it called like Delilah or Lilah or something.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I think the cost of living crisis meant that people
couldn't buy his boat.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Do you know what we've discovered today, Fellas, We've discovered
a mess floor and our new What's what I'm looking
for here? Structure around these interview podcasts? Yeah, if the
guy's late, If the guy's late, we run into some
serious issues around the amount of content, the amount of
discussion we have to have pre shows. I thank god
Paul Henry, he has just walked through.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Okay, Paul Henry's walk through. So should we take a
break and we'll come back with Paul Henry. Okay, I's
not going to get that interview.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Okay, all right, Oh no, the break's happening now, mate.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
We'll come back and then he can walk in. Oh yeah,
and we'll bout it back.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
And he's not quite here. Rud's opening the door for him.
Persy Campbell's there's a welcoming party for him. They're just
laying the red carpet.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I feeling quite nervous about my first question. I don't
think you need to worry about that. I think you
should ask it. Actually, if you want to ask, Yeah,
it's Paul Henry.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I mean would he would he be worried about asking
a question of us?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
No? No, Well what am I doing?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I might like like sugar the medicine by saying, you know,
you know mentioned that we want to come in with
a strong question at the start of the pod.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
No, you can't sugar.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
You're not allowed to sugarcat the medicine straight at No, no, no,
you just got to come straight.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And I think that's the only way to go.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
It comes, it comes, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Ten, Paul Henry's on the.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Welcome where you yes.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yes, please you there and I'll turn your microphone on. Then, Paul,
we're on.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Now We're always going.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
This is our new initiative where the pot is just
going when people arrive. Are you guys the first to
do that or is it happening everywhere?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
We've accidentally done it, so I don't know if we
can claim was just easier than thinking of a beginning.
I have thought of the beginning.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
You still got Pierce Nips never had them. Oh damn it,
this is disappointing.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
So that was a lie on what I like to
you When you said that you had pierce nips.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
No, I think you're misremembering.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, yeah, yeah I had on the first time.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, I had a pierced belly button years ago. But
but no, because apparently No, I don't know if this
is true, but this is what I've been told. One
of the most painful places to have a piercing is
the nipple. Oh yeah, right, that's one of the most painful.
What do you reckon? The bloodiest is that's oh, the

(21:26):
bloodiest eyebrow? No, like, there's one place you can be pierced, which.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Is like, oh, oh the night Albert.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
No, no, don't start pointing you a nether regions because
that doesn't work on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Are we being filmed? I don't think so. Are we?
You never know?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I mean, you're you're dressed, we bothered to come here.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
You're tongue right through your tongue. Yeah, that's the bloodiest one.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I had to have plastic surgery in my tongue. I
was mugged in London and my tongue was blick completely
and half.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Did it bleed like crazy.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Actually, you're right, I bleed like crazy. They had to
sew it up right down the middle and it works now.
But now it's really fat.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
You were mugged in the mouth. Look how fat is tongue?
Is I got anything to do with the Are you
blamed the.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Surgery for that was already big? In fact, the reason
why I but throw it was too big from my
mouth when I got mugged, So you know it was
Actually you can't blame the muggers for that.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's the widest tongue of anything. It was hanging out
like a dog. It's weird, isn't It's conversation has taken it.
Thank you. It's quite shocking. There's conversation has taken a
weird turn. Well, the thing is, what did they take
from you? Mat it's involved in it.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
This was back in the day when iPods. It was
for just of an iPod, and it was.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
They were they were there was a cachet with your eyepods.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
And it was interesting because it was it was sort
of a news story thing that was going that that
that people getting mugged for the iPods. And I've just
been reading about it and I was going, oh, people
aren't getting well.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You were distracted because you were reading.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah. So I was walking down the street and they
actually mugged me for our motorbike. Ah, so they ran
me from behind and then I flipped over and this
was London. It was London, and I thought that I
felt sorry for them because they crashed their bike so
they were idiots, and because someone had leaned over to
get it. They and then and then I got up
briefly and win, you guys are right.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And then.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
And then I fell straight down my face and when
I woke up, I was surrounded by horse police, you know,
police on horses.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Anyway, it was part of a media thing that was
happening then, and I became one in the paper. I
was like the third one that had happened in London.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
They still do a lot of that mugging on on motorbike, yeah,
or even scooter in London. It's not a great way
to go. And they do stabbing that way too. Drive stabbing, yeah,
drive by stabbing, stabbing and then grabbing either or just
a random I mean I don't know the full details.

(23:48):
I imagine it stab grab yeah, but sometimes it's just
stab We had one outside. We've got a place close
to Chelsea Bridge, and Chelsea Bridge is quite at quite
a good place. Were you close to Chelsea brid? Was
the whole tongue thing.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, the whole tongue thing even closer to Yeah, well
it's been great coming in anyway, you're in for Traders too,
so we also have prepared a questioning around that.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh how was tomru you know what it to be
serious for a moment. That was a huge call to
take the production to Timorrow. I mean that that was money.
That was serious money because you know how big the
production is on Traders. But it was well worth it.
I mean, you know, it was almost almost winter. The

(24:34):
place looks like it's surrounded by lies, you know, Canterbury
and winter, you know the low mist that's still crisp air.
And it was almost a castle. And in the mansion
that we were in is called to castle, and it
was castle. It's on it what's the name of the road.
It's on a mount horrible road? Mountain horrible horrible?

Speaker 4 (24:55):
How horrible was Mount horrible that they named it?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
It wasn't like it wasn't even properly a mountain, you know,
it was like a helic so as mountains go, you
know you're okay. So something horrible happened clearly at Mount Home.
I should look, I should research it. No, I can't
be bothered. I'm not going to do it. But this
time I've been asked, why why is it called Mount Horrible?
There must be a reason. It goes way back. This

(25:21):
house that we were in where we filmed, was built
like in the eighteen hundreds, which for New Zealand is
quite a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
What sort of early eighteen hundreds, eighteen sixties, something like that.
I actually think because having.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Been I love eeen hundred is a long time, gave
up the that line of questioning, which is it no idea.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
The house was built in the nineteen eighteen could built
in nineteen ninety nine, nineteen oh one. It's a big
range in building methods and all you're.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
In the wrong centuries building it was because the nineteenth
centuries at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Nineteen, eighteens, yeah, eighteen, yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
In the eighteens, yeah, there were very there's no standing
building in New Zealand that was built in the eighteenth century.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
We just have almost lost everyone now, no, no, no,
surprisingly are you sure?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, you're a big name, Paul. They're holding on there something,
they think they might go somewhere.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
They've never heard a conversation before.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
They're hopeful. Right now, they're in the hopeful stage.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
I can find absolutely nothing on Mount Horrible Road and
why it's called Mount Horrible in New Zealand. I mean,
maybe just people don't see.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
But that fits in with what I said about Canterbury,
you know, and lies and secrets, and that it had
been I want to say ghastly house, but I mean
there were aspects of it that were truly ghastly.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think it makes sense to be in a mention.
I was on Trader season one and that was weird
because we were in chalais So and when I agreed
to do Traders, I mentioned I was going to be
in I was the Haunted House part of it was
one of the things that most attract attracted me to.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
We've nailed that the season. So, hold on, were you
actually staying in Horrible Castle or whatever it's called. No,
surely you were staying in a motel and correct, yeah, okay, correct,
that's possibly more horrible, but you're castle itself. No, But
I know where you're going. I know where you're going,
and I'm sure there were some pretty horrible motels a

(27:17):
long time. These people are there from breakfast through into
well after dinner, and I mean it was spooky. It's
had a weird past, right, like quite a weird past.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
But that's that, to be honest, that's South Canterbury for you.
I mean South Canterbury's got tim itself has got a
fascinating pass and there's an interesting underbelly going on in
tim Ado. I mean, I know that you've been embroiled
in a skinhead.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Gang.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You went to a skinhead gang headquarter us at one.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Stage a road road Night Nomad's no, there was the
Road Nights. Yeah, yeah it was. It wasn't my fault.
I was hitching a ride with a friend. He didn't
tell me that his dad was in the Road Nights
when he said, oh, we can give you a time
from Nelson and I get in this gang car and
I was like terrified. And then they took me said
we're stopping here. And then when we got to Maru

(28:09):
and took me behind like the corrugated iron fence, and
I was now there was like Nazi insignia everywhere, and
I was thinking this is taking a weird turn and
then some this is in the center of Maro, where
were the speed just outside? I think it was was
it was recent I thought it was it was recently.
It was recently up for sale.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Wash Tomka, I think it was that.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, it might have been, but it was recently up
for sale. But then I went in there and I
sat down. I was terrified, and then this this massive
guy came up to me said you want a drink?
And I said no, and he said you're having a
fucking drink?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Massive and what just huge, huge, like a burg scary guy.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And I said yes, I had that drink, and then
I had the drink and then he said you have
another one. Before I knew it, I was this teenager
absolutely freaking wasted in this gang headquarters.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
And we got out alive though, because that's that can
be the beginning of a story that someone else has
to tell because you didn't get out alive. Yeah, that's right.
It felt like it was going that way.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
But then actually halfway through, when I got quite steamed,
I thought this is actually kind of like the Boy Scouts.
There was a sort of lameness to it that came
in later on once night that you were prepared. But yeah,
but once once the alcohol sort of got rid of
like seventy percent of my fear. I was looking around,
going this is kind of just like a cool boy
Scouts got a club room or something.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
But to be fair, when you think of I mean,
the first things that come to my mind are Hitler's tree, skinheads,
the Leashman's that's.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
If you go through that order, yeah, if you go
three things.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Of course, there's the tree that ended up at Timadoo
Boys High that Hitler gave to Jack Lovelock and he
brought it back and he planted it at Timadoo Boys Hi.
It's now flourishing. It's an oak tree.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's so funny.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
A piece of the Third Reich still exists in Timo.
Then of course there's the that maybe that started some
of the Nazi.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Maybe it did. Did they have a plaque for the tree?
They do, because that's a really interesting story that I
didn't know. They didn't know about the tree.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I didn't know about the tree. Yeah, Jack love Lock
when he won and k yeah, yeah, yeah, Hitler gave
him the tree, gave him the seedling. He brought it
back in the school grounds. It's a it's an elm
tree or elm.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
People paint that guy as someone who did no good.
Who's who would have ever thought that?

Speaker 4 (30:21):
That's you know, you think about the laying on of
hands in terms of going back over Popes and Saint
Peter and all. Well, Hitler has laid his hands on
this particular saplin or seedling, whatever it is, and then
he's given it.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
To Jack Lovelock.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Jeff, it's a great, it's a great and then Jack's
gone over to England.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I think Jack died, didn't Jack.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
They didn't know whether it was a suicide or whether
it was an accident, but he ended up falling in
front of the the train in the underground and he
was hit by which is a crazy story as well.
I mean that guy led a very intro Jack love
Lock led a very interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I mean it's I mean, a surprising number of people
do have died that way? Yeah, in London, it's not, yeah, hugely.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
There's always a like, you know, for a guy who
seemed to be quite sort of good gilet walking and running,
he seemed to have had a bit of a shitty there.
But still that tree is sitting there anyway, The Leashman,
Mark and.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
The late Phil. Be honest, that was the least interesting
of the three because they had to be born somewhere,
didn't they.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Like, well, shall we replace them with what's his name
from the ex Jordan?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Luck?

Speaker 1 (31:28):
He was born in Tomorrow, so we could remove them.
Leishman's out or the least. The Mark's trying to sell
his house up in Metcanna at the moment.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Again, that's not interesting.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
It's a good party house. I looked at it in
the papers in the weekend. I thought that's a bloody
good place for her, but for a party.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Do you know? The funny thing here is, so I
come to talk about traitors, right, and it takes a
bit of a turn, which I'm happy to buy into.
But it just keeps turning further and further away. But
we were in Matacana now, so you're selling the benefits
of Mark Leishman's house currently available. Okay, we'll probably move
away from that real estate stuff, but I'll bring it back.

(32:05):
I can bring it back you how comte? No, Okay,
that's the end of that story. Yeah, but that was
good as it's selling house selling. Yeah, and I do.
But just before we leave the tree. It actually doesn't
look particularly evil. I'm looking at a picture of it now.
Can you can you see this? No, Paul, I mean you.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Wouldn't say that that looks inherently third reichi, would you?

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Or, to be honest, even that big.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
No, actually, that's not that big as it's not that
big bus this picture was taken. That's as big as
it's going to get. Because that picture was taken in
two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think it's been heavily perunda over the years. You
just said that you have no idea it was a
crown that did a crown reduction on it early on.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
You can imagine a movement to get that chop down,
though that would be ridiculous. You could imagine surely.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I was just going to say anywhere else but maybe
not tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Which is part of a which is exactly what I'm
saying with the with the that we were talking about,
in the fact that tree does exist, I don't think wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You see now this is all coming to me is
completely new, and don't think for one moment I want
to keep talking about it. But but wouldn't you take
grafts off it? I mean, that's it's a pretty cool yarn. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Well, I think people are concerned that maybe Nazis turn
up if they publicize it too much, that Nazis may
turn up from around the world and try and take
grafts and then try and propagate the tree.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Again and then have a this is a Nazi forest.
This isn't it as a tribute to.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
This is actually this is actually a question actually dovetails
back into Traders too, which I think is this do
you think and this.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Is sort of the current culture.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
It's a question around the current culture as well, because
Traders is a show that leans into the dark side
of life, and it also has quite terrifying challenges. I
remember the season I was on. We were at a
church and went in and it was terrified. All these
people turned around there these masks on. If Andrew Systeman

(34:04):
and Haley Cunningham and known about Hitler's tree, do you
think in the current climate they would have done a
challenge around that tree?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
No, okay, just a could set. You you're getting right
up the end. They've another cult de sect. There can't
be a could set. It wasn't there. But there's no
But I'm not I mean, there's just nothing to expand on.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
No, because what also the other part of it? What
tree based?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
What do you do around a traun and round a tree?
Just run around the tree? You've got to climb Hitler's
I'm desperately trying to think of tree based challenges that
I've seen over the years, and there are surprisingly few
that don't involve chopping them down like an ax. You know,
I've seen challenges involved I know what you do, right,
You'd put all of the contestants in the tree, and

(34:55):
then you'd chop the tree down and it's the last
contestant to get out the tree. Oh, yes, especially if
it's a tree growing on a cliff, right, yes, yeah,
I'll tell you better. Yes, you set fire to the
tree and the last contestant out of the tree gets
the money. That's brilliant. Well you could do.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's a good idea. But also you could play possuming.
You know that thing that they do in Dunedin University.
Everyone climbs a tree and then you drink until you
fall out of the tree because you're so drunk. Oh,
possa possuming.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, you know that idea is going to come in
here and learn anything today, But possible possums.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I think pulls onto something with the burning of the tree.
And after seeing a thing I saw in Japan earlier
on in the air called the fire festival in the
Zaba on Sene, little Japanese town up in the hills
in Nagano, where they create a bonfire and then they
get drunk for five days, and the twenty two year
olds and the forty two year olds get into groups

(35:58):
in the town and the twenty two year olds get
drunk for five days, and then they climb on the
last day, they climb up into the top of the bonfire,
and the forty two year olds come down through the
town with sticks that are caught on fire, and then
they attack the bonfire with these sticks with the twenty
two year olds who are up inside of the bond
that's thirty feet high, this.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Giant it's not going obviously not yet.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
They keep attacking it with sticks, and then there's twenty
two year olds at the bottom whacking the forty two
year olds with the sticks trying to keep them away.
They have to hold onto ropes attached to the bonfire,
and then finally the forty two year olds. It takes
hours overwhelm the twenty two year olds who are completely hammered.
You never people are spewed.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Do they always overwhelm them?

Speaker 4 (36:41):
They do eventually, because they're coming at them from all
angles and they can't stop it. And then it goes
up and at that point the twenty two year olds
have to get the off the top of the bonfire.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's full on and that's the festival. Do they wear
any particular kind of clothing for this, yes, denim overalls.
They all wear them overall. Yeah. And so would you
say there's legitimate risk?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Oh my god, it's the most dangerous thing I've ever
seen in.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Mind, as dangerous as the running of the bulls.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I'd say it's up there, okay, yeah, I mean you've
got people who are so drunk either draghamon and the
drunk people at the top with no barriers or anything.
It's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Its started.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
It started because it's an unlucky They are unlucky ages,
and so the idea is that they're warding off, they're
over And what it does is it proves it's a
coming of age of the twenty two yearls to show
that they're brave and that they can work as a
team against the elders of the group, but then it
shows that the elders eventually overcome them because the elders
have the knowledge and the smarts to Actually it's.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
A very elaborate metaphor. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
But then when questioned, because I asked a couple of people,
I said, is this has anyone ever said maybe this
is a danger in twenty twenty four that this might
be d And the person I was talking to said, no.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, isn't that alt? And I'm on side, you try
and do that in New Zealand a.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Tradition and that they said, you can't apply the rules
of twenty twenty four to a tradition that we started
a one hundred years ago.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
It's a completely differs. Yeah, they don't understand that in
this country country.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I think I might have seen a speech you made
the other day, Paul, where you mentioned safety societies. Didn't
you mention that I might have because the idea that
things are better because they're safe is a really interesting
and sort of depressing idea, isn't.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
It that sized? Yes, every time, it's better if we
sanitize it, because.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I think that actually makes people lose their their adventure
and excitement in life. And every time you restrict someone
there's a danger to it that you're not looking at,
like say, for example, when they were alwering the speeds
to thirty kilometers an hour. Every time you do that,
you make people feel a little less agency and a
little less excited and little less likely to take risks

(38:52):
in other part of their lives. And if society doesn't
have risk, right, then what do we do? We don't
move forward?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
The same thing goes with reward, risk and reward. You know,
you take the reward. Well, what's the point trying any harder?
You know, But this is the whole thing, sanitizing people's lives,
and eventually people literally lose the will to live, Yes, certainly,
the will to live independently.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah, But is there a moment in history where it's
ever been like this? No, and then it's changed around.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's continuum. Yeah, yeah, right, I think so?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Well, so like there's been You don't think there's been
societies like that?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Well, I don't think there's been societies that have been
as risk adverse as we are now that have come
back from that and thrown risk back.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
All right, you can't go back until someone comes in
and just wipes you out because you're.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
So weak, yeah, or you just wipe yourself You're just
you're just basically said, oh, yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Well that's the thing with and if you take this
sort of a more of a micro level FSA, you've
got a kid and you just protect and protect and
more and more and more rules, then that kid ends
up in the basement and you become the monster. You know,
you're trying to protect them from all the dangers in
the world. But the most protective parents are monsters, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Ye were the best example. I mean, there are a
lot of people, as a school of thought that believes,
you know, when your children are young, they should be
out there eating dirt. You know, they should be literally
out there experimenting with all of those things. And obviously
you have a guiding eye on them so that they
don't agitate each other. But you know, if they don't
do that, you've sanitized them physically, and so they have

(40:18):
no immunity to things. I mean, put very basically, what
you're saying is correct. Yeah, wants to live in a
world like that. Maybe that's why they put so many
cones in the center of Auckland, just to make it
a little less safe, a little less predictable.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well, it's interesting because when you look back at my
parents who were never home when I was home from school,
and that was actually excellent parenting, you know, whereas I'm
always home when my kids come home from school.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
There's something to be said from parenting from a distance.
I mean, you know, helicopter parenting, which is really what
we're kind of talking about here. It's clearly you've seen
it happen. You've seen what happens when parents do that.
It uses up a it sucks your imagy as a parent,
because it's very hard to be over at the top
of a child everywhere they go. But also, yeah, you
stop your kids from experimenting your stuff. And everybody learns

(41:03):
their best lessons from their own mistakes.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And from their peers, you know. So everyone's got a
few spare hours a day, so you're out there with
your peers watching them doing stupid things and copying it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, Just to bring it back to Trader's two again
and booze, because I've got a question for you, and
this is from someone that's been inside the game, right
and I was drinking way too much of Paul Henry
branded alcohol before I'd end up up at the conclave,
and I don't think i've told that play out well,
or I don't think I've told anyone this yet. But

(41:39):
I'd arrived in the concave and the cow and I'd
be like, I can't remember anyone's name. I don't know
who I can murder here. I can only murder people
whose names I can remember.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I don't know where to go with that. This feels
like another cul de sect.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Well, this is my suggestion when they asked me what
they should do different, and I said, more time in
the conclave for people to discuss and probably a little
just probably cut the traders off earlier, earlier in the evening.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
You know, you have to be really careful with you know,
for contestants. I don't know if you'd agree with this,
but my observation of it got to be very careful
going in with a strategy. Yes, you know, you see
the people that have researched it, and we had a
lot of that this year because we had a huge
number of people apply and they were real fans of
the format, and they'd watched all the international ones and

(42:31):
they had developed strategies. Some of them have even spoken
to other people about you know, what sort of strategy
works in that and if you're playing this game, and
also as well as second guessing everything that's happening around
you and everyone around you, also second guessing your own
performance based on a strategy that you're trying to play out,
you almost have no chance in this time.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
I understand you've only got real people, not C grade celebrities. Yeah,
because I think that was interesting when I arrived and
I knew everyone that made things.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Not everyone, but yeah, you knew a decent number. And
there's already a huge risk in New Zealand anyway that
you're going to. But you see, that is the risk
when you get people like yourself and the American franchise
only has celebrities yea, so they are all at the
very least aware of each other, yeah, and aware of
each other's personas. And that the great thing this year
is the audience will get to know people fresh as

(43:23):
they get to know each other fresh. Yeah, and that
is quite a joy, and they get into the game
much more quickly.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
My strategy of pretending to be really really thick didn't work,
and because people were like, well, he's not actually that thick,
like I've talked, you know, I know him. You know,
that was a bad strategy, but it would be a
better strategy if no one knew you.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, yeah, if no one knew you.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
But as you said, that wasn't really your strategy. That
was just the fact that you were drunk.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Well, I think getting people and they don't need the
money is also silly, because like you might just want
to go home, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, I mean there are people that do just want
to go home because it's worse than they thought, right,
it's more unpleasant, just basically more unpleasant than they Yeah,
more taxing mentally if you don't know anyone, A lot
of them, yeah, a lot of them. It's just staying
in another day is the main challenge. Yeah, yeah, because
I think even if you go in there thinking, shoot,

(44:15):
I've got, like this time a one and twenty two
chance of winning one hundred thousand dollars, it's not very
many episodes before you're just thinking, I just have to
stay in another day. What can I do just to
make it not be killed and make it through another banishment? Yeah,
and a lot of some of that would be doing. Yeah,
as you say, not your strategy.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
You know, your strategy is terrible, But I think that
what the best strategy you do.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I'll tell it, Tell it now, you tellent now. I
thought about it would be ignore.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
The idea of traders and not traders and just go
to all your friends in the car on the way
up there, because you end up in I don't know
if there's that at this time, but I was in
a car with five people on the way up there.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, five contestants.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
If I just said, doesn't matter which one of us
are traders, were just stay together until until it comes
down to five, you know what I mean, and then
we can go for each other. That would be the
way to do, and just take the whole. It's kind
of playing outside of the game, and take the whole
later on in the piece. That would work at the
beginning when you've got twenty two. Yeah, you don't have
sufficient numbers for that to work.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
And then also you've got to hope that turn around
on you, like they're doing risk when you and you.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Know that thing where people just all of a sudden say,
why did he say that? Why would he say that?
Because one of the One of the big failures is
the overthinking someone sort, do you see the way today
he crossed his legs left over right? Why would he
do that?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
And someone just miss misspeaks. The hardest thing if you're
if you're a traitor, is going into breakfast in the
morning and you have to go.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I bet, I bet, and you come and you go.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Oh, yeah, I guess look at you.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I can't believe you're there on all of a sudden
lying yeah. So you're walking into every way, you're walking.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Into a room and there's like at the start, there's
you know, twenty odd people scaring back at you, and
you basically look around the room and do a little
song and dance, and inside your soul you go, no,
it's believing this.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Surely people are.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Smart enough to see someone that's acting so weirdly. But
then again you realize, you actually realize at that point
that people are only thinking about themselves.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, they don't even you know, the amount they think
about you is so small. No, that's exactly right. And
that's the tricky thing because it's fighting internally. It's that
mind game, you know, with yourself. That's the thing you've
got to try and get on top of which is
easy to say. I mean, you've been in it, but
when you're surrounded by people, and again, it's harder if
you literally know none of them and you know that

(46:34):
you want to have alliances with people and you've chosen
people who are more friendly and more like you maybe,
but that everyone has an equal chance of conspiring against you. Yeah,
it's tricky. Ay, it is tricky.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
And it's tricky because you also forget the cameras are
on and you start having stupid conversations about something and
then halfway through, go, am I being played in this conversation?
Like this person's being really wickedly friendly. They're laughing at
everything I'm doing. I'm even man, I'm really I'm owning
this table or something. Everyone's last.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
One of the great things about the game, you know,
it is a social experiment. Yeah, and I think again
that's enhanced by the fact that people don't know the
backstories of any of these people.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, it's funny when you get out of it, because
like Brodie Kane, when I was on it, and she's
a good friend of mine, she was like, I know,
Matt's a trade or whatever, and she just did this
whole thing, and she celebrated, and she realized if she
had not next to me, yep, then I was going
to bring her, you know, I was. She was someone
who wasn't mixing, and I wanted to. I wanted to
help through because I thought she'd be good. And I
was actually going to bring her in the night before,

(47:34):
but I didn't because I didn't know that Brooke was
good friends with the other guy that was well and
I was drunk in the conclave, and so he brought
him Brock. He really was really clear whatever, and and
so that was so funny when Brody was. When I
was walking out and Brody was celebrated, I was like,
you just you're celebrating your end. And because her whole
theory that she'd put together was true, like she'd actually out,

(47:58):
but out she got so immersed in the game and
playing the game and being vocal and smart, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
She basically banished herself. She basically murdered herself. But there
is an interesting strategy and very few people would ever
consider doing it, where you try and find a trader
not so that you can expose them, but so you
can befriend them and make it clear to them that
you would never ever vote for them, because if you've

(48:26):
got a traitor who definitely won't kill you, you've solved
half of your problem in the entire game.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, no, that's true, But how do you I mean,
the great thing about is you can't if you're a traitor,
You can't say you're a trader to anyone.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
No, on.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Hundreds of thousands of dollars, you'll get done for if
you see out, because if you could.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Then you just go around on a trader. If you don't,
do you know what I thought once? Okay, so this
is interesting because you know, I would sit down and
I would think, because I obviously know everything, and I'm
one of the only people that knows every thing, and
I actually thought, say, I pulled someone aside, one of
the twenty two aside, and I said to them, these

(49:10):
are the traitors. I thought, would that help them win
the game? And the more you think about it, the
more you think, actually, unless they could genuinely convince someone
I'd done that, which they probably couldn't, because why would
I do that? How can they use that information to
their advantage?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
In fact, it would probably back for negatived go off,
and I'd start sucking up to these people, and these
people would go that person's got to go they you
know exactly, or they would go to the round table
and they would say, well, I reckon, it's you you
and you, well that's them dead. Yeah, you know, I
mean it's very hard to know how you could use
that cleverly to your own advantage.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
That is interesting.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, No, it's a complex game. I could only watch
the second half of the season because I didn't real
enjoy watching myself on TV and I felt like I'd
experienced a bit that I was on. Yes, but no,
it's a great game, and we have we've doubled down
in the second series. I mean in so many ways,
like the location, and the location is important because that's
all part of the theater of the mind, but the

(50:12):
location in the games, just in every way, we've doubled down. Yeah,
it was quite luxury last time, mant in my chalet shell. Wah,
So back to the piercings. Are you still rocking the
belly button?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:23):
No, not for many, many, many minutes. Oh, okay, was
it a nineties thing? Do you know? I can't hang on,
let me think I can't quite remember. But you know,
decade two decades ago, maybe that went because do you
know what happens? They sort of start to grow out
sort of. See as I'm saying that to you're now
looking at a completely blank expression coming back at me.

(50:45):
I'm thinking, is that true? But it is true. I
think I'm.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Imagining why it grows out. It grows out because if
things are growing around the belly button, as things tend
to do, you know, around stomachs, as we age, as
we get older, then you is it possible to lose
what's going on? Now?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I think what happens, Well, it started to happen with mine,
unless I was just imagining it that the body just
starts to actually push it away so it gets closed anyway.
So and also got bored, Yeah you got you know
how you do? Yeah? And that therein lies the rub
young people with tattoos. You know, you get bored with
tattoos as well, or for any other reason you don't

(51:21):
want them, and of course they're not as easy to
take to get rid of. No, well, what do you
think about this?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Or what do you think about this? Paul?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
So, like one of our producers out there, mess he's
twenty four, and we've got a part of our show
at the start of this podcast where we go let's
get busy and he got that tattooed on his arm
the other day? Do you think that was a good decision?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Phenomenal mistake? Whereabouts on the arm? And it almost doesn't matter,
but we're actually mash mash. Can you come here, Seecond
and show Paul your let's get busy tattoo to see
when did he have this done last week? So it's
still red and puffy?

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Can you show Paul your let's get busy tattoo?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Oh so it's not your only tattoo? No, I mean, okay,
it's a bit yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Mean it's head in a way, most a whole lot
of other stuff, a lot of other crap.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
What have you got with cards? Cards?

Speaker 4 (52:12):
He used to he was a magician for a while,
disappear he was. He was a magician, so he was.
That's a that's a heart back to your past, isn't it?
As a magician?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
So that's like that that arm is like that's sort
of like the chronicle of your life to date.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
No, you're giving me more credit than I deserved there, Paul,
henry Na just kind of a whole bunch of accumulated
stuff over the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
But I guess it is a chronicle. I don't know
it because you.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Were talking about your pier things earlier before.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
No, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know,
and I'm not even sure. I'm glad we did get
onto it, but but we did, and now I've seen it,
and I well, I mean, I said, the question from
your colleagues was do you think you'll regret it? Yeah? Probably,
I don't think we asked that. Well, it's what I
distilled from what you said. Whatever happens, let's come come.

(53:00):
I know what you said. What you said was that's
probably tattoos. Yeah, oh that's right. We were talking about
piers Oh so technically you're right, we got onto it
from piercings. And I just said it's easier to get
rid of a piercing than a tattoo. Yeah, true that. Yeah,
I've had an ear ps before as well. You know
that grew out like, well, there's an example I've grew out.
See see everything cyclic right back at you.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
But to me, piercings and tattoos are quite different things.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
But yeah, they're often they're often bundled together.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
They're often done in the same establishment. Yeah, they are
often done in the same establishment. Literally literally bundled together
by the people that do them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Well well, well, I feel like I feel like we've
we've covered a lot today, have we ever? I feel
I don't know if we've changed the world.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I don't know if we've was at the aim, because
if that was the aim, we've failed. Well, we might have.
I mean, there's probably a lot of people didn't know
about the Hiller try. Oh no I didn't. Yeah, you're
one of them. So that that sort of and that
you know, it's a takeaway, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, well, that's one of those things. You understand why
not many people know about it because in terms of
Team Adoo, if they're going out there and saying, come
to tim Adoo, We've got Hitler's Tree, you know, it's
not really they're not going to be obviously advertising the fact.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
That they've got Hitler's Tree.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Timo Boys High doesn't really want people cruising through the school.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
They wouldn't. But so it's understandable. Could you almost could
advertise it now? It's it's very cool. I mean, you
don't have to be a Nazi or sympathizer or anything
like that to think that is actually quite cool. As
you said, he held that sapling, Yeah, handled it, handed
it to a great Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's weird

(54:38):
that it's so small though after all those years it
started by evil just quickly, yeah, does it? Well, that's
the thing. Can a tree possess evil?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Apparently like tree tree size all across Nazi Gimmy, it
was about two houses.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Each tree was two meters short. If a house can
a house can possess evil and be evil in itself when.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
We don't know that it can, but if it can.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I can. Sometimes you look at a house and you
can feel evil coming out of a house, and houses
where people to be murdered and things often times.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
But that's coming from within you.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Yes, yeah, But in terms of a tree, because it's renewing,
it's all the time, you know, although the others, yeah,
it's always it's like a human. I mean, the cells
on me are not really I'm not really me anymore.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
No, I'm not. I'm I'm like that axe that the
guy says, it's my favorite axe. That's had nine new
handles and ten new heads exactly.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Yeah, what is there a cell on me that was
my doesn't not one of my original cells still exist?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
I wonder if there's sort of is do we know that?
I think it's like nine years or nine years? Three
thing replaces in nine years, So why don't I feel better?
I'm not replacing as well? So that aging is the
fact effectively replacing every time.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
It's like copying a videotape of a video videotapes, so
as it goes on.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
It it's worse.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
What a shit thing. It's like hangovers, Like, why do
we have to live in a world with hangovers? And
why do we have to live in a world where
we've got this great system where it replaces itself.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I think, although we don't have to live in a
world with hangovers, we used to live in a world
with hangovers.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Actually, I believe that actually a world without hangovers will
be a problem because I would drink even more than
I do now.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's a strong message from God, isn't it. Yeah, it's
like you've had enough, We'll give you this. You had
too much punish, Yeah, we'll give you this that will
feel good, but that you can't feel good all the time.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Well that's the way of the universe, so, isn't it.
And it has to be like that, you have to
go vomp and vomp.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Well, couldn't the Buddhas sort that out? That's true, couldn't
but sort that out? I don't. I hadn't know, especially
not the one from Northland.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Well, Paul Henry, I'm a Buddhist, are you. Yeah, so
we've had your second Buddhist we've had on a row.
We had Jimmy Barnes on the show.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah, this is another takeaway for you. So I need
to look in the book. They don't really do that, No,
we don't. No, he's a Buddhist. And it's an interesting
because I probably put you in a similar mindset to
to to Jimmy Barnes. You know, you've got a lot
going on, You've got you know, any given time, you're
thinking about a lot of things. And that's actually the
people that need meditation. That's often the hardest people. It's

(57:13):
at the people are not a good Buddhist. I mean
I don't meditate for you don't meditate.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
No, I'm not. I'm not like because just like the
philosophies Jimmy Barnes can't even remember them, to be honest,
and they give you words. Oh sorry, Jimmy Barns. He's
Buddhi's I'll just say, I'll just finish that. He's Buddhism hard.
Like he's in with monks, he's like in temples. Okay, okay,
he's like he's he's full on butter. He's full butdher,
he's full Buddher. Yeah. Yeah, I love it what they

(57:37):
do when you and I think maybe if you're a
proper Buddhist, you don't talk about this. Well, no, I
am a proper Buddhist, just not a good Buddhist. They
give you have to take the dow, and when you
take the dow at a temple, they whisper the secret
words to you. Right, you're never allowed to write them down.
And I think there are five secret words, and nobody

(58:01):
knows if there's just five, because you're not allowed to
tell anyone. Right, the only person you can talk to
about your secret words is the monk or the elder
that did the ceremony with you, and the same secret
words for everyone. I'm just saying, you're not listening. Nobody knows.
How would you ever know that This is a genius idea.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
It's a genius The monk would know the person potentially,
and they know what the person needs to know and
how they need to be better.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
And then you'd say certain words and then think.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Oh, these are the universal words for everybody, but actually
that quite specific.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
It might be yeah, well, they might be yeah, yeah,
I what were your words? Became a boddy? Well, you're
not allowed to say Jesus? Am I there anyone listening?

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Well? You can tell us?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Now?

Speaker 3 (58:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Why can I? How can I? Anyway? I can't. You're
happy with them? I actually can't remember? But were you
happy with them at the time? I can't really talk?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Not so.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Isn't it funny? Because I'm not a good Buddhist? But
I'm still I'm there. I'm stopping at that point, you know,
because that's like the most holy thing are your words?
But I can't remember them. The funny thing is my
youngest daughter and I we were enlisted at the same time,
and a couple of days later, she said, I've got

(59:14):
a real problem. And I said, this was much younger
than I've got a real problem. I said, one, what's
the problem? She said, I can't remember all my words. Oh,
and no one can help you.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
But you're not meant to remember them. Who knows you're
not meant to, are you not? No, of course you're
not mean to ask you remember what you remember what
you need? You remember what you need to remember. I
like that the way of the world. And also if
you're not allowed to tell anyone even if you can't
remember them, why doesn't matter. No one's going to know.
Do you remember your words?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Yeah, I reckon. Remembering too many things can sometimes be
a problem. Cautful yeah, well usually not a media but well, well,
this is why all.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Of us are an example of the fact that you
can scrape through.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
You can no to always pretending, just always just surfing,
just above what's going on and just just grasping onto
a few weds here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, you can be in quick starting. That can get
you into trouble. You know when you find for the
last half now you've been going oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then all of a sudden, the bom you put
on the spot yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
And then you get because we were all capable of
Biden type moments. Yeah, where you start a sentence and
then the second half of the sentence you're not sure
at the start of the sentence, yeah, And that's a
terrifying space to be because then you have to make
up the second half of the sentence in a way
that it sounds like you're trying to make a point,
and then you turn it around and you put a
pin on it, and at the end of it you go, actually,

(01:00:36):
that sounded like that was coherent human.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Well become times sometimes if it does, then it isn't
a Joe Biden moment. Do you like stand up?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Well, like watching it? Yeah, yeah, some people. Yeah. I
used to go years and years ago as a foreign
correspondent and I used to go to this and so
I'd go to London quite a bit just to you know,
in between trips is like a hub. And there was
a place where I used to stay and there was
stand up down the road in a pub, and it
was just the most awkward thing I've ever experienced in

(01:01:07):
my life. You know, how you die a little bit
for the person on the stage, and if it's not
good stand up, if it's like a cheap place like
this was. Every night there'd be a couple that were
just woeful and it was so hard to watch that's
what it's like watching Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
We were talking about that. It was it was it
didn't matter what Trump was saying. Even when Trump was speaking,
you were looking at Biden.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Trump didn't matter what he's watching. The strongest Trump's strongest
performance was just him looking to the sign of Biden
where Biden wasn't speaking or trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I was saying that Trump did too much and that
he could have pulled right He could have pulled right back,
which is good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I mean, he pulled back a lot on them. That
was the best debate he's ever been him because he
did pull back so much. But yeah, he could have
pulled back the grave.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Pullback because he was told to pull back, or did
he genuinely pull back because he was quite flabbergasted. Just
good question how he was confused as to how befuddled
Joe Biden was. I mean, Joe Biden was so berfuddled.
And I think that's a good question. I don't think
Trump is the kind of guy that takes advice. If

(01:02:12):
he wouldn't be the kind of guy he is if
you took advice. Maybe it was just spur of the
moment astonishment. From from Trump's point, what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Is quite amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Is everything that CNN did to stitch up Trump really
for Biden agreed to all these terms. Basically no crowd
MIC's off, so there was no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
You know, and it wasn't CNN. It was actually the
Biden Biden camp said this, these are the rules. But
they didn't just said yes to everything. But they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
They didn't take a look out the two shot the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Well because a picture paints a thousand words and you've
got to get and need the microphone on. It was unbelievable.
The lack of blinking got to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I mean, it didn't matter what, as I said before,
it didn't matter what Trump was saying, because I was going,
are you going to fucking blink?

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Do you reckon? Tonic? He was catatorpic, you know, where
he turns his head and something in him says, this
is a good position, and it just stays there and
he's just tuned completely that it's possible that he may even
though he had a shocking you know, clearly, you're just
seeing right into the fact that this is a very
old man who doesn't can't follow any kind of thought pattern.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Do you think he.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Won some sympathy votes from some people who actually but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Can you have sympathy with nuclear code? I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
I wondered about I felt really sorry for him, really
sorry for this old guy that's being exposed on television.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
He should have known what you mean, being.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Exposed like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
That's not where a couple of commentators that said it
was old or abuse. You know, there is that that
aspect to it. But I mean he is where he
is because that's where he wants to be. We can
only assume although his wife, Jill, she seems to be
held bent on him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
By that footage of Jill telling him how good you were,
and she said you answered every question. It was like
she was talking to a two years It was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yeah, that was actually really quite very condescending the way
she was saying it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And yeah, because because you managed to stay upright and
you answered every question. You didn't really answer every question.
You started talking when it was your time. But never
before in a debate have I seen them say you've
got another eighty seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Who's ever stopped?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
But what about all the anti Trump people inside of
the Republican Party, of which there are millions, They must
be thinking, thank god, if we lose this if Trump
does not win this election, I mean, god knows how
he wouldn't. But if he didn't, he will come back
again in another four years. They will never get rid
of him. They've got another four years of him doing

(01:04:36):
what he's doing inside of the republics.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
So what you're saying is that at least this is
the last four years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Wouldn't see and what we know what Trump is, nothing
will really happen. I mean, nothing happened last time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
That's because of the organization, that's because of the United States,
It's because of the founding fathers. Just it's such a
big ship.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
There's not too much there's not too much power. I
mean president has veto powerbously and a lot of power controlling.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
And listen, Joe Caen's been able to run that kind
tree for the last four years than god, anyone could, literally,
anyone could.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Just I thought Trump's point he made in is Really
the next day was actually quite right. He said, I
think they trained Joe practiced too much. He studied too much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
He's got They put too much things and is too
many things in obviously no auto que, no voice. Well,
I think he would have been better if you had
done if Joe Biden had done nothing and just let
his stream of consciousness flow without trying to actually put
some facts in there. And so you're assuming he has
a stream of consciousness. Is it possible for him not
to do the debate? Yes, yeah, but he had to
because he had to. Quite yes, technically, there is no

(01:05:37):
reason why you have to do a debate. But the
reason he was put forward is to quell suspicions and
arguments that he was too senile.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
And do you think it's possible to replace them? Because
I think that puts themselves in a really interesting position,
the Democrats, because a he's still got to be the
president till November. So if you say he's stepping down
because he's not in a good state, does he also
have to step down from being present until November. Well
you would hope that he would make that call, but
but you don't. Karmela, there's a problem. Karmela is the unpopular.

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She's unpopular.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
I'm stepping down not because I'm completely just because I
feel like it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I want to sell hit down. He doesn't have to
step down. He just has to say I'm not going
to run again. Yeah, exactly, I won't run again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
You go, I'm not going to run again because I
think it's become an issue what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
But I'm but I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I'm just going to concentrate really hard on running the
country between now, yeah, yeah, November.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
The weird thing is who would do it? Even who's
going to step in a because they are hiding to
nothing and once they.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Have one, necessarily they're not necessarily. I mean, there is
the school of thought that things you could you could
stand a chimp next to Trump and the chimp would win,
And if you think about it, I mean, it's pretty
level pegging at the moment. That's what I mean. It's
a country full of people desperate for someone they actually
want to vote for. Well, yeah, so you could start

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it's it's any life, I mean to get in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Yeah, Biden's ten percent behind, you know, people on the ticket,
you know in states, you know, so there's there's a
bunch of states where they just don't want Biden, you know,
and so you flip them up to that slimy guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Gavin Usen from from.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
California, awful, awful slimy guy and people commentators are arguing
that he is the most obvious choice and awful guy.
Awful guy he had come in, but he looks like
a president. He does, so he actually comes across very president.
He could actually stand there and people could go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Well, he kind of looks like a president. I could
probably vote for that. At least he looks like one,
you know, whereas Biden looks like a cadovera did you
see at the beginning when he walked in is a
horrible thing to smile at. But he does that thing
where he points where he's been told he has to
go like it's a person. And so when you see

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the beginning of the debate, he walks onto the stage
like a stunt mullet and then all of a sudden,
with a slight smile, points at the podium that he's
got to go work it out. And there's this like
this comfort that he has. That's where I'm walking. That's
probably approximately third steps he went. Speaking of steps, tragic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
No one has struggled with two steps like he did,
like at the end when he went over to shake
the hands of the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Moderator of Jill having to help him down the little
that was I think all.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
The botox and fillers is helping him either, because he
just has no movement in his face at all, and
they've gone crazy on that to make him look younger.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I mean, in this instance, I don't know whether we
can blame, but whether there's anything in their inspiring movement
or not, I don't know. But even not good, even.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
On a basic level, Trump at least knew to look
the way that Biden was on the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah, and so no, you're right that rather looking off,
I think with Biden, it's more, you know, I've I've
made the effort to turn my head in this direction
and I am I'm not going to turn around for anything.
But you know, there was actual empathy at times in
Trump's face. Yeah, and that comes back to what you
were saying. I think, Jerry, I think maybe this did

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come to him at the at the time as a
sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Because I reckon, You're right. I don't think he I
don't think he takes advice from people. I mean he was,
but I don't he does what he wants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, well, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Coming great love on you traders to do I just
walk out with you're still on. Yeah, I probably do
because I walked in while you're on. Yeah, that's quite.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
We're just developing this new technique. So you know, would
we call it a technique? Would we over salent that much?
It's going to be known as the Wells Heath podcasting techniques.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
But we also say goodbye, like off.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
My thanks yeah mate, see chair, thanks all right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, yeah, we're taking picture as well. We are, we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Are yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
So here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Yeah, okay, So we wrote that out of tin for
you for yourself, your own performance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Mm hm three. I think that's not fair. Yeah, but
I'm kind of down on yourself. I just wanted to
go down on myself at the end of the pot.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
I mean, I give the whole thing a five and
a half wide rangeing jet. Yeah, I'll give it a
five and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, and what a professional land bring it back to
his bloody show to advertise it. I got, actually, I
got absolutely ripped a new one by South Pacific Pictures
last time because when we head him on to talk
about Traders one and for a joke, I pretended I
wasn't on it, that's right, And so I got a
communicate that said that was an absolute disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Why were you doing that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
And I said, for a gag, okay, well, Okay, so
I thought this time, you know, I'll make up for
that because I were my friends, these people that that
the producers of that show, and I realized that my
little gag was not nice.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Oh yeah, I realize that. Do you know we're being
over seventy minutes? Seventy Is that like an all time record?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
That might be our longest daily bespoke. It didn't seem
to be mini gaps in it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
The weirdest thing is I normally don't last more than
seventy minutes without going wheeze.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Just I've got a way. That's just it's possibly going
to explode out of me. Were you listening to it, Mash, Yeah,
I was out there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
It's good. Ye was all right? Would you give it
a five? Yeah, I'll give it a five. Yeah. He's
not for you, Paul. I respect him a hell of
a lot. I'll say that, really.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Yeah, but it's not going to help you there by
by criticizing yours.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
No, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
I'm happy for anyone to criticize me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
That's no problem. Don't mind that. I'll tell you what.
I'll give you the I will never just what would
you say, I respect to my know before that, I
don't mind if people criticize me. No, I will never
criticize you. Mesh. Oh you're welcome to I've never had
and I never will. Oh. Thanks, that's nice. I will
criticize you if I feel like I need to. I

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know you will.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Okay, Well, we'd love to hear from you and the
Daily Bespoke that the Conclave of the Met and Jerry podcast.
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I don't know. That's a Biden moment?

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Yeah, alright there, all right, okay there, all right then, alright,
you seem to have been the longest podcast of all time. Alright,
Joe Rogan up on this bitch, all right, see it