July 11, 2024 • 32 mins
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
The twolveth of July twenty twenty four, and this is
the Daily Bespoke podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Have you noticed that there's always these people in your office?
Jerry and I have a direct line of sight to
the notorious pants man's disk in the office. You know
how like some people, No, he's hot, That's not what
you're telling me. No, what I'm saying is, you know
how some people are just so good at not sitting
down behind their disk. Oh you know, there's a couple
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of some people that just run that cutter.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So well, yeah, although, is he actually sitting at his desk?
But he's so tall that it looks like he's standing.
Because when Toddy the O Australian content are also known
as Pixy Campbell Todd Campbell, when he sits at his desk,
when he stands at his desk, he's exactly the same
height as when the notorious pants man Joel Harrison sits
at his desk.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
So, which is amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You sure he's sitting or standing? It just looks like
he's standing.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I mean well, first of all, he stands every time
here's a lady that comes in the room. He's straight,
you know. Oh he's a pantsman, there's no kind of
secret about that. But right now he is actually standing.
Maybe that is something that I should look out for.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, sometimes it's hard to know whether he's sitting or standing.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Sometimes it's hard to know where he's sitting all standing.
We're in the podcast, mate, what time do you call this.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Started? Yeah? What time do you we've done that?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Who did Let's get busy ah.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Jerry, I think we've done that. What time do you
called this? Seriously, what time do you call this?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Apparently it's two minutes into the podcast. I needed to
mate two and a half hour. I needed to go whiz, No,
this is what happens, mate, You can't Well, maybe you
guys should have waited for me. Did you think that,
like two of you are attacking me? But maybe you
guys are the ones in the wrong here.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We didn't have time. As a bullshit, we didn't have time.
We're under immense pressure.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
A lot of feedback around yesterday's podcast, fellas, do we
want to go into any of that ship. We try
and keep business chat for about once a week on
this show. We don't really want to double down on that,
but we have quite a few questions. Do we want
to do this today or do we want to steer
off into.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
A different All those person says, can you helmets please
stop beeping things on the podcast? I only crash my
ute the other day because every time I hear it,
I think it's some kind of pre collision runing. Could
you beat stuff to do?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I beat something yesterday? Yeah? Look three minutes No, that's
not how this works.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, what did you beat?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well, I'm going to turn the MIC's off and then no,
just tell.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Us what you beat and then you can beat it again.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Oh I was going to say, Oh my god, Sorr,
I'm going to beat that again.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm so pleased that you beat that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I have to beat that again, Nail, you know it's Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
So now this is going to be a real problem
because this man is going to crush his vehicle. Okay, team,
So if we could just keep this thing to a minimum,
And as I explained yesterday, I didn't mean to did
you really say I didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Mean did you really say? Okay, don't Jesus saying that.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I wanted to be home early today. I'm gonna have
to sit down for about three hours and beep shit. Okay,
So thanks boys. Well maybe I just maybe I just
beat the like the last ten minutes constantly.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You could leave it in. Oh yeah, leave that. But
what's the worst thing that could happen?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I mean, with a big ken, Jerry, so many bad
things could happen.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You know that there are no broadcasting standards that apply
to this podcast. Really, no, it's on the internet. Are
you sure you can say and do whatever you want
as long as it's not defamatory. Could you and I
don't think saying as defamatory?
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Could you call the podcasts today?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Okay, we'll stop.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yes, it feels like I can feel the pain.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Okay, sorry, I can help you with this.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I can feel the past.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Okay. So what sort of questions did we get your system? One?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Final one?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I know, I'm good, I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I don't need to say I don't need to say it.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Okay, that's it now though, Okay, that's it for you.
No more, Okay, buddy, young fella, all good, said enough,
it's clear I've had my fun. Okay, So once again,
are we going to answer any of these questions we
had about yesterday's business chat or we're going to keep
that to one?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh no, no, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Really a lot of questions about your international warehouses and
stuff like that, the jerry that people were interested in. No,
people were looking at opening up businesses, you know, in
the other areas that are far away from their business
right now, and all that kind of thing, and people
wanted to clarify a few things.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, I thought we were going to get Liam Dan
on the show. So if we don't have Liam Dan
on the show to actually to move this whole business
chat forward, then there's no point in going back.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
We'll get this as I sent yesterday this podcast to
Lim Dan and just thought, I said, hey, like we
talked about this kind of stuff today and he felt like,
and maybe we could go back to him on this.
He felt like, I know, it's crazy. It felt like
there was a load of shit that it was a
load of shit. Yeah, and there was He felt like.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, okay, we got that, but he felt like something
he kind of felt like, well, yeah, what did he
feel like? He felt sixual undertones in there, and he
wasn't super stoked about that. Okay, I don't know what
the hell he's talking about there, But still.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So do you want me to go back to him
and say, mate, don't seen him a podcast? Sounds like
a fucking new problem.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, don't send him that. Don't send them Okay. Just
I know that you've only been in turning on the
show for a couple of years and you don't understand
these things in terms of broadcasting, but as it one
year and then as a person with thirty years broadcasting experience.
Don't send your hosts, sorry, don't send your proposed guests. Yeah, okay,
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the podcast especially not this piece of absolute crap.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well used todas one wasn't a piece of absolute crap.
I was kind of proud of what we produced us TOD.
I thought we did a lot for small businesses right
around the country.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Half of it was beeped.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, just the part where I said, you know, okay,
that part was beeped. What did you say? No, I
didn't say okay, I know you want to Why.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Did you say that?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
All right, you can say it once more, but afterwards
we're going to take a break and we're going to
come back, and then there's no more.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Okay, I don't want to say it. You do want
to say it, mate, I don't. Okay, I've said it enough.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Well, Ruder is mature enough to not say it's actually
I'm mature and it's disgusting.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
But you said it the first time.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So yeah, but I made a very clear snow Rudor
that it slipped out. Well, okay, well now we're okay.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Definitely it would have slipt out.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Makes a good point there, that really makes a fine
point of taking it literally. That's a good point. And
I'm more were enough to be able to take that
one on the chin, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I know, but you'd be you wouldn't be taking
it on the chin. Well, I would be, No, she'd
she'd be taking it on the You wouldn't be taking
on the chin. That would be a disaster.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You know how in other languages you have different sayings
for men and women, you know, like you just pronounce
things differently.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, is that.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
When you need it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
For us?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, this is get in trouble for this. You know
how these are saying for people, you know, taking it
on the chin. Yeah, maybe we should look at introducing
taking it on this for ladies. That can be the ladies.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You need to beat that alternative?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Do I actually have to?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Really because I don't know, so yep, I do have
to beat that. So are you saying that that's not
kind of a smart idea, Like I don't know, you're
going to be stayed for about three hours in a
formal and a formal setting. Oh, like maybe I should
just take that one on the You know, you need
to beat that.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
So are you saying that? Are you misogynistically saying that
you shouldn't say that ladies have to take it on
the chin? Are you being sexist?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
No, I don't mind you like you can choose. But
I was just thinking in terms of like a language.
I think that could be a fun thing to add,
you know, the English the English language doesn't like to
discriminate between men and women, but a lot of other
languages do. And I just think if we start in
the place of you know, men say taking it on
the chin and women say taking it on the that
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would be a fun thing.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You need to pick that. So this is a dumb question.
But inside of French and say Spanish and any other
language that uses.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
What are they called, like it's called genderisms.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, gender for for nouns.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Is there call inside of those countries to not do that?
I can say that it's sexist language, is there or not?
I don't know if there is, I don't know. That's well.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I can imagine also society in twenty twenty four would
find that that's also a relatively transphobic way to look
at things as well, you know what I mean. There's
no option to be in the middle of those two,
or there's no option to be neither or both.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Or no, everything is everything? And say I only know
because I did French at school. I didn't have French,
but definitely there is no Is there a neuter?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
What do you mean like like it covers every one
kind of thing?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Maybe there is, I don't know, there's or lat is
the feminine and lu is the masculine.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Because it very much feels like right if we had
that in English jokes aside, if we were using those
genderisms or whatever you call them, just gender in terms
of our nouns. Yeah, I imagine there would have been
a call bye now to probably cut that out. I
get you, yeah, and maybe rightfully, so I don't I
don't really mind, but you know, I think so are
you seitching it up to?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
No, I'm just having a lot. So there's three simple
SIPs you can find. I'm just having a look at
in terms of the masculine and really every other noun
is any masculine? Oh yeah, okay, that's that's not really
very interesting. Actually do we what's lying? What's but you know,
like certain things like like la finetre, which is a window,
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is a window is feminine? For some reason?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
A window?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Oh, I see what you're saying, oh, look, we'll take
a break and come back and talk more about this,
because this is fascinating stuff. All right, I'm a back.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So all French nouns are either masculine or feminine, with
the balance being fairly even, which is interesting. If noun
gender is a new concept to you, then it may
be tempting for you to think the masculine feminine nouns
are driven by gender. Well, this is sometimes the case.
It isn't guaranteed. Oh, it's true that words like father
and brother, peer and frere are masculine, and mother and sister,
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meyhor and sir are feminine. The gender of a noun
can often be determined by the last letter of the noun. Okay,
So who's my senorita? Senorita is well, that's feminine, okay?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And then signor chechia is that right as well? And
that chee cheek is that a thing like my check check?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I don't know that's Spanish Spanish?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Is I heard someone saying it the other day? What
are they speaking Spanish?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Sish? Okay?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Do they have a Mexican kind of twang on that birch.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Or no.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Mexican twang? On that bitch. Excuse me, Well, I was
just repeating what mess I was just on Google. So, Jerry,
you said you did French, right, So my French isn't
very good. So I've just put a phrase in English
and Google is going to translate it for me. And
I want to see if you can tell me what
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this is in English?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yep, sure.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Again, sirs, your son do you not know what this is? Mate,
any of it at all?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Your sons?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Sorr as you can you?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Can you write it? Can you write it down for me? Yes?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
If you write it down then I'll be translated.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Okay, I'll put it in.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The juy I heard juey which just play but I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Know okay, So I've just put it in the normally
say sue is juy s.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Play on?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I say, yeah, I think that that so ui ons
as breasts? So u it means but a jui is
like that's the is the verb to play?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But so what was the what were breasts? Is your
son susus s is on her breasts? Is what that means?
Soon as jui I'm not so sure about that. It's
not sort of something about playing, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Is there any chance that's something to do with taking is?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Could I know what it is?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
People don't say it if it is that? Okay, Jesus Christ,
really you had to fire that up? Well that was
a fun. Okay, Now I have Do I have to
beat that every time?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Off and seventh for and French? Right? We were doing that,
we weren't filthy?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Well, hang on, do I have to beat out this? Yeah?
Do I have to beat that out?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
I don't think you do, because how many people listening
in front?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I don't think you do.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Okay, So I have to beat out all the times
that you guys said you know. Okay? And now we're
back to beeping in the late parts of this episode.
This is going to be fun.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Can we wrap this up?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I think.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
This podcast?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And you stopped?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
No, I have stopped years.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Ago, Jerry, Okay, it payday today?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It is pay day today. Yes, I got paid leave,
not a lot, but you got paid.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Who's paying you?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Know?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
That is the question? That is the question.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Do they pay you in CDs and like vouchers for
booking and.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I still paid? Yet? That's not fair?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is it sure? It's not?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Are you sure it's paid, one hundred percent is paid.
I know when pay day is coming because my bank
account looks like it looks currently.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I love it when we talk about pay day because
one of the great illusions about radio is that this
is a quite a glamorous job. It's always been one
of my favorite things about this job is people think,
for some reason, it's quite a financially lucrative, lucrative job.
In twenty twelves doing a podcast, I hate to break
it to your people, it isn't.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, we do this for free.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I mean, thirty years of success for free. Just cam
Gun started following me. Who's cam Gun? Do any of you
guys know cam gunn?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Cam Gun? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
What about Hannahliki?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
She sort of following me as well, Oh Hannah.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah. Mash and I were talking about this offia the
other day. Actually, Jerry that quite often people will hear
you work in radio, and they'll use phrases along the
lines of, oh, you must earn the big bucks. You're
not strucks. You're not sure if it's or not.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You've always talking about the radio, But I thought they
always talking about the heyday radio and the sow that
was when people were inning the big Bucks.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah, that that is what it's actually like. Ye was
early two thousands, it was a fruitful little industry.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, well that's right because because radio stations are making
like fifteen million doll like one radio so generating fifteen
million dollars of revenue. This is in the early two thousands. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
I know someone that was working and broadcasting until recently
and now they've moved into pr and events for a
supermarket chain, and they could not believe how much money
they get given to do things for said supermarket chains. Like,
for instance, they had a few managers from a few
stores come up and they were like, oh my gosh,
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we've got quite a bit of money for this event.
Let's put them all up at the Hilton, and why
don't we just why don't we call six sixty and
we'll pay them to come and do a special event.
And she's just so shocked. And if you think about
the price of groceries, that may not shock you.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But yeah, well they do well though, I mean that's
the thing. Those companies do do well, and both food
stuffs and war worth.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, so what are you saying of where doing well
were getting paid more? Is that the is that you motivate.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Is that what you're leaving us there with that we're
in the wrong industry.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah, we've said that for years.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We're in the wrong industry. We know that we're doing
this just because we love it.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You know what you should have done, actually, Jerry, is
the day that I walked into the studio for the
first time. You should have turned me around while the
showers slap me on the ass, sent me on my way,
and said, mate, don't do it to yourself. That's what
you should have done.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
What advice would you give to a young person who's
about to leave school and they're thinking about going into journalism?
Because I had this. I had a young person who's
about to leave school, very talented young person too actually,
and they were thinking about going into journalism. What what
would you say to them?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Do you want a serious answer?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh, man, because this is quite a deep conversation that
we can go into right now, because journalism and broadcasting
is in a very interesting place. I don't know, I
don't know what what did you say to her? Out
of curiosity?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Go and do something else?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Did you?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Actually? Are you sure you want to do this?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
That's sad, it's changed a lot out there because now
journalism is not what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Let's do this. You've got to do it because it's
just something you love. Wan, I really do it.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I think journalists correct me if I'm wrong, but they're used.
It used to come from a place of curiosity for journalists.
They wanted to find out about things, they wanted to
look for things, they wanted to know more about things.
And I don't think that's quite how it works anymore.
There's a lot of people where it does obviously work.
Some people will do it incredibly, a lot of great journalists.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But some people were looking just to fly, oh, get
an audience somehow. But nowadays worth Instagram, the Ladas and
social media, the way is you can get your audience.
You don't have to go through a broadcast to get
to an audience. Yes, so that's changed everything because back
in the days, if you wanted to get some attention,
and you're an attention seeker, which is basically probably why
I got into badcasting, that's why I'm here, if I'm honest,
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then the only way you could get the attention that
you were seeking was to do it through a broadcaster. Well,
now you can get attention on your own little on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, I think that's it's full on. That's a
great question and maybe we should think more about that
and come back and answer it next week. Be good
to talk to many about.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It as well.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I will say this though, jokes aside, is it is
true what we say about the money is after thirty
years of success, like yourself, Jerry, you can obviously start
to make some serious money, but it is worth it
no matter how much you get pay. I will say
that we've got the best job in the world, best
job in the world. And if you want to get
into journalism, because yes you love journalism, yeah, fucking go hard, mate,
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go through caution to the wind.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I say, don't I say don't.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well, that's lovely. I enjoy your weeknything else on that note.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
There from Jerry, gon't do something else, enjoy your week.
There's so many things out there today.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
What did you say she should do?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I said, I don't know, because I don't know what
else you wants to do. But I said, if you
I said, I don't know about journalism.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Yeah, I don't know either, man, I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I work really really hard and get and for people
to hate you and and to not because this is
not really journalism. What we do is not journalism. Of course,
this is just kind of crapping on.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But we did it because if we're going to be honest, though,
it's because we wanted to entertain people from you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That's a different thing, but it's kind of the only
way you can do that. But if you want to
be a journalist, I don't know everyone hates you now.
E un hates journalists. I think you paid much she
hates you. That's pretty sure to speak for people.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
It's probably like back in the day, like a lot
of people at school have been. I'd love to grow
up to be prime minister. No animal, No, yeah, why
would you do that?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's also because you know, people used to be able
to disagree with you. I think if the journalist wrote
something that you didn't agree with, you didn't automatic disliked
them as well. Is it something that I was kind
of thinking, No, I think you did. You did someone
wrote something about you that you about you mate, not
about you. If you wrote something for someone wrote something
about a story and it was kind of had a
slightly left or right angle on it, and if you
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didn't agree with it. I think people used to be
a lot better at being able to go, oh, well,
I just that's not really the top of it, that's
not really my belief. So I'd like to leave that thing.
And then they were all good about that. They didn't
read it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
There's no feedback. Yeah, you read a newspaper, and then
who knows what you read what you didn't read of
that newspaper. You just bought the newspaper, and most people
subscribed to them, so it didn't matter what he'd line.
You ran, and then a subscription stayed. Even occasionally it
would spike if there was a disaster or something happened
that more people bought papers, but most people were subscribed.
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And then who knows how much time each eyeball that
looked at those papers spent on each article. You didn't know.
But nowadays, because it's digital, you can tell what people
click on, how long they click on, and then at
the bottom of the article they can just write a
comment on their keyboard. But just sitting there and all
of a sudden their opinion counts for something. Before that,
the listener's opinion of the reader's opinion didn't count for anything.
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You could write a letter to the editor, which was
then edited by the paper, and they decided the ones
to run and the ones that they didn't want to run,
and it took quite a lot of time. You'd sit down,
you have to write it on a bloody piece of paper,
and then you'd have to post it and all sorts
of stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
It'd be like, you know, twenty five years ago, I
could see a plane going through the sky and it
would leave trails and I could go up to Jerry
and I'm mate, I think fucking trying to get us
with chemicals, and Deery go, that's cool, man, that's awesome,
and Jerry can walk away and that's the end of
the conversation.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
You could also still be friends after that conversation.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Ah. Interesting, good point. But now someone could do that
and go, oh, I know eight hundred people that need
to hear that, and then they send that to eight
hundred people, who then could send that out to possibly
eight eight hundred people, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You taste on an interesting point, though, Jerry. The metrics
have also changed for the Junos, haven't they. It was
once about the story, I guess, and unfortunately, and it's
not really the juno's fault or maybe it is, I
don't know. The goal post changed and the goalpost came
back to what you refered to just before, and that's
click numbers.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, but tabloid papers were always more popular through broadsheets,
interesting game, So that was always and that was always,
but it was going on. It was a balance of
a newspaper between running a little bit of that stuff.
And I mean the Herald has become more and more tabloid.
I mean that's a fact over time.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Going to ask you this, if you were a newspaper
of the sixty seventy eighties and you looked at what
newspapers are now, yeah, I think you'd probably look at
them all and go that's a tabloid.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yea, yeah, they're all totally. I mean you've got papers
like The Guardian and I think Sydney Morning Herald. There's
a few papers around the Australia. There's a few papers
around the place that are still trying New York Times
that are they've got a they've got an angle still
they take a political angle, but they are definitely you
wouldn't describe them as hebloid. But that's just the way
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that people have gone, you know, your headline news and
all that kind of thing. How did we start talking
about this? Sorry, if we got.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Any young juno's, apologies, any young junos do right to us.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Intriguing young jos listening to this.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Would be intrigued to see what kind of what motivates you?
And why are you doing this? Go hard fuck Jerry,
you know, like I am serious. Do give it a
crack because it's worth it.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
And if don't take, don't take that comment in the context.
Go hard fuck Jerry. What.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, Okay, it's not really journalism, though, is it.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
No.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I'm not saying we're I never said that we were journalism. Mate,
there's a couple of fucking dudes sitting near cock and hands. Actually,
can we delete this that one? I feel like there
was actually some wisdom in there.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
No, let's delete it. No.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I want Mesh to work hard for four hours to
find all those beaks that it needs to go about that?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So, Jerry, are you saying that genalists should actually go extinct? Genuinely?
Do you think the world have changed if if we
just got rid of them all?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No? I don't think journalist. I think people should do
what they want. But if someone asked me, I think
people should do whatever they want to do, whatever job
you want to do. But if someone asked you, if
someone asked me, should I, I'd say no, No, I
mean I want to I don't want someone to do it,
and then look back and say, you know, Jerry told
me to do that, and I hated it. You don't
think back to when you were a young upstart and
(25:26):
thought about the reasons why you got into it, for
the likes of poor homes and that kind of thing,
and realized that maybe there might be some people out
there that are thinking the same way. But I didn't
really get into journalism, but I thought you'd mass what
on for. I just know what to do, So I
just sort of found my way laffing around.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Before you know it, you're getting been to have the
backwards by mikey ev It. He's pounding away, not on me. No,
I didn't mean that. That was more like backwards that
you guys know, you guys got to stay, you got
to stop taking it literally. Man.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Well, I don't know with you, I don't know what's
literal and what's not taking shit literally stuff. It's very
hard to know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Do you want me to take it?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Why are you turning on me, Jiary, I'm just because
I feel like it.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Go You're it's friday, end of the week.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Can we end this positively?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Who got a text? An email?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Do you know what we should do? And it's something
that I've looked at thinking about for a while now,
and we should bring it in with Matt next week.
Listen to this goodness and it happens to me often.
If someone's phone vibrates in the studio and it is
visibly heard, whether that's a dang or a vibration, you
therefore fit the right to offer up your phone like
(26:38):
in school, and then another member of the team is
able to read that aloud on the broadcast.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I like this. I like this. This is good stuff.
This is ending on a positive note.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I like this idea.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I mean, my phone's the one that goes off the most.
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I can't tinue your dang off.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I can't do my dang offs, but I can put
it in sleep mode.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Can't you tune your dang off?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
It's because that switch there doesn't turn off.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It's annoying.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, but I can we can sort that. But I
thought there would be a fun little thing to do.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
It's just because we've been asked to clean up the
phone dinging in the studio, and it totally makes it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
It makes sense because it's slightly distracting.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
So maybe we should turn that into content. Every time
we get told off on their show, we tend to
find a way to make it into some kind of
segment that management hates.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So let's do that. Could be it could be career ending.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
But I'm just thinking.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You get a text yep, lovely TOLSI yep. You won't
hear my phone? Dang, oh it's a photo. I claim
my phone. I didn't think my phone.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
What would you do?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
It's part of the reason why I never bloody answer
my phone because I don't have my ring on either.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
How come here always scrolling? Mate?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
That's not from that's not from my phone, daning inge,
it's not hinge?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Are you back on hange again?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I actually I'm off social media. I told you I've
been off for two weeks now.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Hinge is not social media catches.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
You on hand.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Life has changed. It's so much better without social media.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Well, Tulsi's onhnge obviously. Yeah, speaking of.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Hinge, Jerry's of what he thinks proves his list internet
really impressive one hour forty three average time last week,
and that was down thirty six percent since the leading
social Congrats mate.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Thanks very much? Am I am I a happier person? No?
Oh really, no, not really?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You should get it back then you've tried.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
No, I don't, I don't. I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Who's ding was that?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
That was mine?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
What does it say?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Do you really email?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
How this game works?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
This is this is why I had a big old
smile on my face because earlier today off here I
talked to you guys about a rumor that I'd heard,
and you poop pooed me and said, oh, well that
can't be true.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh, have we.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Got a call?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Hang on? Actually this could be interesting. Have we got
a bargo email?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
We probably can't, I hang on.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
This is an awful advocate for the new game. If
we actually can't share.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
This, no, I reckon, we can. I reckon. This is
a proper hot press release. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I mean, no one is going to give a fight?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well we will. And also the amount of time it's
going to take you to hear this podcast. By the
time it's edited, this will come out. So Jerry, because
you haven't seen the news experienced radio boss, well amazing
appointed head of Talk at News Talks. He'd being gold Sport.
That's why Stano is happy.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's a great text. Okay, well email was it as
an email? Isn't that a great game?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Steno was head of that?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
He was, but now he's just going to be head
of radio.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, good.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Actual his actual job.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Okay, Oh like yeah, that's why he's out there smiling
away stoked.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
He's probably known that news for a good month, but
unable to tell anyone.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
All Right, I'm on the pest this weekend, boys ruder.
I'll see tomorrow at the Third League. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
ye see you Jerry tomorrow, not at the ABS game. Yep,
the old Dick is going to be Yep, yep, sweet yep,
Mommy to I'm going to be the nah that's a show.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And then afterwards, because I'm doing a double ender tomorrow,
are you. I'm doing a double ender, so I'm at
the third leg and then I'm at the art the
Glasshouse near Eden Park after the game, come along a.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Lot of stuff. I hope you've got a lozenge.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
I've got a whole packet of lozenges, and I've taken
vocal steroids.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Have you've got a pack of doms in your pocket?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Number?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Don't get a lot of action, mateuse the asshouse?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
What you said?
Speaker 5 (30:33):
No, I've corrected myself. I said, oh, glasshouse. I get
confused sometimes.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Now you ever call ice house asshouse?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean these are mate. This is why you've got
to allow me and on these interviews with big time guests.
I know you think I'm going to embarrass the boys.
I'm not. But I don't miss tricks like this. I
would have missed. I wouldn't have missed over Davies last
week and I would have asked them, did you ever
get called asshouse?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Great question?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Okay, damn it all right? Sometimes you sometimes you miss things,
all right, that's just the way it goes, and broadcasting
it's a great piece of wisdom. Sometimes you miss stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Not after forty years, mate.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
What's it called? It's called it's called going down the
stairs or something. There's some there's some term the Germans
have or the French have or something. But when you're
leaving a situation and you go, damn it. I should
have said it's the going down the stairs ass house.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah, with their song electric poo oh.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Send them right now. Okay they didn't get enough credit there, joke.
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Speaker 4 (01:05):
Have you noticed that there's always these people in your office?
Jerry and I have a direct line of sight to
the notorious pants man's disk in the office. You know
how like some people, No, he's hot, That's not what
you're telling me. No, what I'm saying is, you know
how some people are just so good at not sitting
down behind their disk. Oh you know, there's a couple
(01:27):
of some people that just run that cutter.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So well, yeah, although, is he actually sitting at his desk?
But he's so tall that it looks like he's standing.
Because when Toddy the O Australian content are also known
as Pixy Campbell Todd Campbell, when he sits at his desk,
when he stands at his desk, he's exactly the same
height as when the notorious pants man Joel Harrison sits
at his desk.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
So, which is amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You sure he's sitting or standing? It just looks like
he's standing.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I mean well, first of all, he stands every time
here's a lady that comes in the room. He's straight,
you know. Oh he's a pantsman, there's no kind of
secret about that. But right now he is actually standing.
Maybe that is something that I should look out for.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, sometimes it's hard to know whether he's sitting or standing.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Sometimes it's hard to know where he's sitting all standing.
We're in the podcast, mate, what time do you call this.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Started? Yeah? What time do you we've done that?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Who did Let's get busy ah.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Jerry, I think we've done that. What time do you
called this? Seriously, what time do you call this?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Apparently it's two minutes into the podcast. I needed to
mate two and a half hour. I needed to go whiz, No,
this is what happens, mate, You can't Well, maybe you
guys should have waited for me. Did you think that,
like two of you are attacking me? But maybe you
guys are the ones in the wrong here.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We didn't have time. As a bullshit, we didn't have time.
We're under immense pressure.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
A lot of feedback around yesterday's podcast, fellas, do we
want to go into any of that ship. We try
and keep business chat for about once a week on
this show. We don't really want to double down on that,
but we have quite a few questions. Do we want
to do this today or do we want to steer
off into.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
A different All those person says, can you helmets please
stop beeping things on the podcast? I only crash my
ute the other day because every time I hear it,
I think it's some kind of pre collision runing. Could
you beat stuff to do?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I beat something yesterday? Yeah? Look three minutes No, that's
not how this works.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, what did you beat?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well, I'm going to turn the MIC's off and then no,
just tell.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Us what you beat and then you can beat it again.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Oh I was going to say, Oh my god, Sorr,
I'm going to beat that again.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm so pleased that you beat that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I have to beat that again, Nail, you know it's Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
So now this is going to be a real problem
because this man is going to crush his vehicle. Okay, team,
So if we could just keep this thing to a minimum,
And as I explained yesterday, I didn't mean to did
you really say I didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Mean did you really say? Okay, don't Jesus saying that.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I wanted to be home early today. I'm gonna have
to sit down for about three hours and beep shit. Okay,
So thanks boys. Well maybe I just maybe I just
beat the like the last ten minutes constantly.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You could leave it in. Oh yeah, leave that. But
what's the worst thing that could happen?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I mean, with a big ken, Jerry, so many bad
things could happen.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You know that there are no broadcasting standards that apply
to this podcast. Really, no, it's on the internet. Are
you sure you can say and do whatever you want
as long as it's not defamatory. Could you and I
don't think saying as defamatory?
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Could you call the podcasts today?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Okay, we'll stop.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yes, it feels like I can feel the pain.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Okay, sorry, I can help you with this.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I can feel the past.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Okay. So what sort of questions did we get your system? One?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Final one?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I know, I'm good, I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I don't need to say I don't need to say it.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Okay, that's it now though, Okay, that's it for you.
No more, Okay, buddy, young fella, all good, said enough,
it's clear I've had my fun. Okay, So once again,
are we going to answer any of these questions we
had about yesterday's business chat or we're going to keep
that to one?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh no, no, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Really a lot of questions about your international warehouses and
stuff like that, the jerry that people were interested in. No,
people were looking at opening up businesses, you know, in
the other areas that are far away from their business
right now, and all that kind of thing, and people
wanted to clarify a few things.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, I thought we were going to get Liam Dan
on the show. So if we don't have Liam Dan
on the show to actually to move this whole business
chat forward, then there's no point in going back.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
We'll get this as I sent yesterday this podcast to
Lim Dan and just thought, I said, hey, like we
talked about this kind of stuff today and he felt like,
and maybe we could go back to him on this.
He felt like, I know, it's crazy. It felt like
there was a load of shit that it was a
load of shit. Yeah, and there was He felt like.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, okay, we got that, but he felt like something
he kind of felt like, well, yeah, what did he
feel like? He felt sixual undertones in there, and he
wasn't super stoked about that. Okay, I don't know what
the hell he's talking about there, But still.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So do you want me to go back to him
and say, mate, don't seen him a podcast? Sounds like
a fucking new problem.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, don't send him that. Don't send them Okay. Just
I know that you've only been in turning on the
show for a couple of years and you don't understand
these things in terms of broadcasting, but as it one
year and then as a person with thirty years broadcasting experience.
Don't send your hosts, sorry, don't send your proposed guests. Yeah, okay,
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the podcast especially not this piece of absolute crap.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well used todas one wasn't a piece of absolute crap.
I was kind of proud of what we produced us TOD.
I thought we did a lot for small businesses right
around the country.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Half of it was beeped.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, just the part where I said, you know, okay,
that part was beeped. What did you say? No, I
didn't say okay, I know you want to Why.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Did you say that?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
All right, you can say it once more, but afterwards
we're going to take a break and we're going to
come back, and then there's no more.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Okay, I don't want to say it. You do want
to say it, mate, I don't. Okay, I've said it enough.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Well, Ruder is mature enough to not say it's actually
I'm mature and it's disgusting.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
But you said it the first time.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So yeah, but I made a very clear snow Rudor
that it slipped out. Well, okay, well now we're okay.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Definitely it would have slipt out.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Makes a good point there, that really makes a fine
point of taking it literally. That's a good point. And
I'm more were enough to be able to take that
one on the chin, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I know, but you'd be you wouldn't be taking
it on the chin. Well, I would be, No, she'd
she'd be taking it on the You wouldn't be taking
on the chin. That would be a disaster.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You know how in other languages you have different sayings
for men and women, you know, like you just pronounce
things differently.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, is that.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
When you need it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
For us?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, this is get in trouble for this. You know
how these are saying for people, you know, taking it
on the chin. Yeah, maybe we should look at introducing
taking it on this for ladies. That can be the ladies.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You need to beat that alternative?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Do I actually have to?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Really because I don't know, so yep, I do have
to beat that. So are you saying that that's not
kind of a smart idea, Like I don't know, you're
going to be stayed for about three hours in a
formal and a formal setting. Oh, like maybe I should
just take that one on the You know, you need
to beat that.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
So are you saying that? Are you misogynistically saying that
you shouldn't say that ladies have to take it on
the chin? Are you being sexist?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
No, I don't mind you like you can choose. But
I was just thinking in terms of like a language.
I think that could be a fun thing to add,
you know, the English the English language doesn't like to
discriminate between men and women, but a lot of other
languages do. And I just think if we start in
the place of you know, men say taking it on
the chin and women say taking it on the that
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would be a fun thing.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You need to pick that. So this is a dumb question.
But inside of French and say Spanish and any other
language that uses.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
What are they called, like it's called genderisms.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, gender for for nouns.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Is there call inside of those countries to not do that?
I can say that it's sexist language, is there or not?
I don't know if there is, I don't know. That's well.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I can imagine also society in twenty twenty four would
find that that's also a relatively transphobic way to look
at things as well, you know what I mean. There's
no option to be in the middle of those two,
or there's no option to be neither or both.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Or no, everything is everything? And say I only know
because I did French at school. I didn't have French,
but definitely there is no Is there a neuter?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
What do you mean like like it covers every one
kind of thing?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Maybe there is, I don't know, there's or lat is
the feminine and lu is the masculine.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Because it very much feels like right if we had
that in English jokes aside, if we were using those
genderisms or whatever you call them, just gender in terms
of our nouns. Yeah, I imagine there would have been
a call bye now to probably cut that out. I
get you, yeah, and maybe rightfully, so I don't I
don't really mind, but you know, I think so are
you seitching it up to?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
No, I'm just having a lot. So there's three simple
SIPs you can find. I'm just having a look at
in terms of the masculine and really every other noun
is any masculine? Oh yeah, okay, that's that's not really
very interesting. Actually do we what's lying? What's but you know,
like certain things like like la finetre, which is a window,
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is a window is feminine? For some reason?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
A window?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Oh, I see what you're saying, oh, look, we'll take
a break and come back and talk more about this,
because this is fascinating stuff. All right, I'm a back.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So all French nouns are either masculine or feminine, with
the balance being fairly even, which is interesting. If noun
gender is a new concept to you, then it may
be tempting for you to think the masculine feminine nouns
are driven by gender. Well, this is sometimes the case.
It isn't guaranteed. Oh, it's true that words like father
and brother, peer and frere are masculine, and mother and sister,
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meyhor and sir are feminine. The gender of a noun
can often be determined by the last letter of the noun. Okay,
So who's my senorita? Senorita is well, that's feminine, okay?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And then signor chechia is that right as well? And
that chee cheek is that a thing like my check check?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I don't know that's Spanish Spanish?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Is I heard someone saying it the other day? What
are they speaking Spanish?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Sish? Okay?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Do they have a Mexican kind of twang on that birch.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Or no.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Mexican twang? On that bitch. Excuse me, Well, I was
just repeating what mess I was just on Google. So, Jerry,
you said you did French, right, So my French isn't
very good. So I've just put a phrase in English
and Google is going to translate it for me. And
I want to see if you can tell me what
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this is in English?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yep, sure.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Again, sirs, your son do you not know what this is? Mate,
any of it at all?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Your sons?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Sorr as you can you?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Can you write it? Can you write it down for me? Yes?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
If you write it down then I'll be translated.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Okay, I'll put it in.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The juy I heard juey which just play but I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Know okay, So I've just put it in the normally
say sue is juy s.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Play on?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I say, yeah, I think that that so ui ons
as breasts? So u it means but a jui is
like that's the is the verb to play?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But so what was the what were breasts? Is your
son susus s is on her breasts? Is what that means?
Soon as jui I'm not so sure about that. It's
not sort of something about playing, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Is there any chance that's something to do with taking is?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Could I know what it is?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
People don't say it if it is that? Okay, Jesus Christ,
really you had to fire that up? Well that was
a fun. Okay, Now I have Do I have to
beat that every time?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Off and seventh for and French? Right? We were doing that,
we weren't filthy?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Well, hang on, do I have to beat out this? Yeah?
Do I have to beat that out?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
I don't think you do, because how many people listening
in front?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I don't think you do.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Okay, So I have to beat out all the times
that you guys said you know. Okay? And now we're
back to beeping in the late parts of this episode.
This is going to be fun.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Can we wrap this up?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I think.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
This podcast?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And you stopped?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
No, I have stopped years.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Ago, Jerry, Okay, it payday today?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It is pay day today. Yes, I got paid leave,
not a lot, but you got paid.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Who's paying you?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Know?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
That is the question? That is the question.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Do they pay you in CDs and like vouchers for
booking and.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I still paid? Yet? That's not fair?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is it sure? It's not?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Are you sure it's paid, one hundred percent is paid.
I know when pay day is coming because my bank
account looks like it looks currently.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I love it when we talk about pay day because
one of the great illusions about radio is that this
is a quite a glamorous job. It's always been one
of my favorite things about this job is people think,
for some reason, it's quite a financially lucrative, lucrative job.
In twenty twelves doing a podcast, I hate to break
it to your people, it isn't.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, we do this for free.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I mean, thirty years of success for free. Just cam
Gun started following me. Who's cam Gun? Do any of you
guys know cam gunn?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Cam Gun? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
What about Hannahliki?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
She sort of following me as well, Oh Hannah.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah. Mash and I were talking about this offia the
other day. Actually, Jerry that quite often people will hear
you work in radio, and they'll use phrases along the
lines of, oh, you must earn the big bucks. You're
not strucks. You're not sure if it's or not.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You've always talking about the radio, But I thought they
always talking about the heyday radio and the sow that
was when people were inning the big Bucks.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah, that that is what it's actually like. Ye was
early two thousands, it was a fruitful little industry.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, well that's right because because radio stations are making
like fifteen million doll like one radio so generating fifteen
million dollars of revenue. This is in the early two thousands. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
I know someone that was working and broadcasting until recently
and now they've moved into pr and events for a
supermarket chain, and they could not believe how much money
they get given to do things for said supermarket chains. Like,
for instance, they had a few managers from a few
stores come up and they were like, oh my gosh,
(17:00):
we've got quite a bit of money for this event.
Let's put them all up at the Hilton, and why
don't we just why don't we call six sixty and
we'll pay them to come and do a special event.
And she's just so shocked. And if you think about
the price of groceries, that may not shock you.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But yeah, well they do well though, I mean that's
the thing. Those companies do do well, and both food
stuffs and war worth.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, so what are you saying of where doing well
were getting paid more? Is that the is that you motivate.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Is that what you're leaving us there with that we're
in the wrong industry.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah, we've said that for years.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We're in the wrong industry. We know that we're doing
this just because we love it.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You know what you should have done, actually, Jerry, is
the day that I walked into the studio for the
first time. You should have turned me around while the
showers slap me on the ass, sent me on my way,
and said, mate, don't do it to yourself. That's what
you should have done.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
What advice would you give to a young person who's
about to leave school and they're thinking about going into journalism?
Because I had this. I had a young person who's
about to leave school, very talented young person too actually,
and they were thinking about going into journalism. What what
would you say to them?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Do you want a serious answer?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh, man, because this is quite a deep conversation that
we can go into right now, because journalism and broadcasting
is in a very interesting place. I don't know, I
don't know what what did you say to her? Out
of curiosity?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Go and do something else?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Did you?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Actually? Are you sure you want to do this?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
That's sad, it's changed a lot out there because now
journalism is not what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Let's do this. You've got to do it because it's
just something you love. Wan, I really do it.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I think journalists correct me if I'm wrong, but they're used.
It used to come from a place of curiosity for journalists.
They wanted to find out about things, they wanted to
look for things, they wanted to know more about things.
And I don't think that's quite how it works anymore.
There's a lot of people where it does obviously work.
Some people will do it incredibly, a lot of great journalists.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But some people were looking just to fly, oh, get
an audience somehow. But nowadays worth Instagram, the Ladas and
social media, the way is you can get your audience.
You don't have to go through a broadcast to get
to an audience. Yes, so that's changed everything because back
in the days, if you wanted to get some attention,
and you're an attention seeker, which is basically probably why
I got into badcasting, that's why I'm here, if I'm honest,
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then the only way you could get the attention that
you were seeking was to do it through a broadcaster. Well,
now you can get attention on your own little on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, I think that's it's full on. That's a
great question and maybe we should think more about that
and come back and answer it next week. Be good
to talk to many about.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It as well.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I will say this though, jokes aside, is it is
true what we say about the money is after thirty
years of success, like yourself, Jerry, you can obviously start
to make some serious money, but it is worth it
no matter how much you get pay. I will say
that we've got the best job in the world, best
job in the world. And if you want to get
into journalism, because yes you love journalism, yeah, fucking go hard, mate,
(19:54):
go through caution to the wind.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I say, don't I say don't.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well, that's lovely. I enjoy your weeknything else on that note.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
There from Jerry, gon't do something else, enjoy your week.
There's so many things out there today.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
What did you say she should do?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I said, I don't know, because I don't know what
else you wants to do. But I said, if you
I said, I don't know about journalism.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Yeah, I don't know either, man, I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I work really really hard and get and for people
to hate you and and to not because this is
not really journalism. What we do is not journalism. Of course,
this is just kind of crapping on.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But we did it because if we're going to be honest, though,
it's because we wanted to entertain people from you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That's a different thing, but it's kind of the only
way you can do that. But if you want to
be a journalist, I don't know everyone hates you now.
E un hates journalists. I think you paid much she
hates you. That's pretty sure to speak for people.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
It's probably like back in the day, like a lot
of people at school have been. I'd love to grow
up to be prime minister. No animal, No, yeah, why
would you do that?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's also because you know, people used to be able
to disagree with you. I think if the journalist wrote
something that you didn't agree with, you didn't automatic disliked
them as well. Is it something that I was kind
of thinking, No, I think you did. You did someone
wrote something about you that you about you mate, not
about you. If you wrote something for someone wrote something
about a story and it was kind of had a
slightly left or right angle on it, and if you
(21:16):
didn't agree with it. I think people used to be
a lot better at being able to go, oh, well,
I just that's not really the top of it, that's
not really my belief. So I'd like to leave that thing.
And then they were all good about that. They didn't
read it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
There's no feedback. Yeah, you read a newspaper, and then
who knows what you read what you didn't read of
that newspaper. You just bought the newspaper, and most people
subscribed to them, so it didn't matter what he'd line.
You ran, and then a subscription stayed. Even occasionally it
would spike if there was a disaster or something happened
that more people bought papers, but most people were subscribed.
(21:49):
And then who knows how much time each eyeball that
looked at those papers spent on each article. You didn't know.
But nowadays, because it's digital, you can tell what people
click on, how long they click on, and then at
the bottom of the article they can just write a
comment on their keyboard. But just sitting there and all
of a sudden their opinion counts for something. Before that,
the listener's opinion of the reader's opinion didn't count for anything.
(22:11):
You could write a letter to the editor, which was
then edited by the paper, and they decided the ones
to run and the ones that they didn't want to run,
and it took quite a lot of time. You'd sit down,
you have to write it on a bloody piece of paper,
and then you'd have to post it and all sorts
of stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
It'd be like, you know, twenty five years ago, I
could see a plane going through the sky and it
would leave trails and I could go up to Jerry
and I'm mate, I think fucking trying to get us
with chemicals, and Deery go, that's cool, man, that's awesome,
and Jerry can walk away and that's the end of
the conversation.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
You could also still be friends after that conversation.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Ah. Interesting, good point. But now someone could do that
and go, oh, I know eight hundred people that need
to hear that, and then they send that to eight
hundred people, who then could send that out to possibly
eight eight hundred people, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You taste on an interesting point, though, Jerry. The metrics
have also changed for the Junos, haven't they. It was
once about the story, I guess, and unfortunately, and it's
not really the juno's fault or maybe it is, I
don't know. The goal post changed and the goalpost came
back to what you refered to just before, and that's
click numbers.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, but tabloid papers were always more popular through broadsheets,
interesting game, So that was always and that was always,
but it was going on. It was a balance of
a newspaper between running a little bit of that stuff.
And I mean the Herald has become more and more tabloid.
I mean that's a fact over time.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Going to ask you this, if you were a newspaper
of the sixty seventy eighties and you looked at what
newspapers are now, yeah, I think you'd probably look at
them all and go that's a tabloid.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yea, yeah, they're all totally. I mean you've got papers
like The Guardian and I think Sydney Morning Herald. There's
a few papers around the Australia. There's a few papers
around the place that are still trying New York Times
that are they've got a they've got an angle still
they take a political angle, but they are definitely you
wouldn't describe them as hebloid. But that's just the way
(24:03):
that people have gone, you know, your headline news and
all that kind of thing. How did we start talking
about this? Sorry, if we got.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Any young juno's, apologies, any young junos do right to us.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Intriguing young jos listening to this.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Would be intrigued to see what kind of what motivates you?
And why are you doing this? Go hard fuck Jerry,
you know, like I am serious. Do give it a
crack because it's worth it.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
And if don't take, don't take that comment in the context.
Go hard fuck Jerry. What.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, Okay, it's not really journalism, though, is it.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
No.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I'm not saying we're I never said that we were journalism. Mate,
there's a couple of fucking dudes sitting near cock and hands. Actually,
can we delete this that one? I feel like there
was actually some wisdom in there.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
No, let's delete it. No.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I want Mesh to work hard for four hours to
find all those beaks that it needs to go about that?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So, Jerry, are you saying that genalists should actually go extinct? Genuinely?
Do you think the world have changed if if we
just got rid of them all?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No? I don't think journalist. I think people should do
what they want. But if someone asked me, I think
people should do whatever they want to do, whatever job
you want to do. But if someone asked you, if
someone asked me, should I, I'd say no, No, I
mean I want to I don't want someone to do it,
and then look back and say, you know, Jerry told
me to do that, and I hated it. You don't
think back to when you were a young upstart and
(25:26):
thought about the reasons why you got into it, for
the likes of poor homes and that kind of thing,
and realized that maybe there might be some people out
there that are thinking the same way. But I didn't
really get into journalism, but I thought you'd mass what
on for. I just know what to do, So I
just sort of found my way laffing around.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Before you know it, you're getting been to have the
backwards by mikey ev It. He's pounding away, not on me. No,
I didn't mean that. That was more like backwards that
you guys know, you guys got to stay, you got
to stop taking it literally. Man.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Well, I don't know with you, I don't know what's
literal and what's not taking shit literally stuff. It's very
hard to know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Do you want me to take it?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Why are you turning on me, Jiary, I'm just because
I feel like it.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Go You're it's friday, end of the week.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Can we end this positively?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Who got a text? An email?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Do you know what we should do? And it's something
that I've looked at thinking about for a while now,
and we should bring it in with Matt next week.
Listen to this goodness and it happens to me often.
If someone's phone vibrates in the studio and it is
visibly heard, whether that's a dang or a vibration, you
therefore fit the right to offer up your phone like
(26:38):
in school, and then another member of the team is
able to read that aloud on the broadcast.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I like this. I like this. This is good stuff.
This is ending on a positive note.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I like this idea.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I mean, my phone's the one that goes off the most.
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I can't tinue your dang off.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I can't do my dang offs, but I can put
it in sleep mode.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Can't you tune your dang off?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
It's because that switch there doesn't turn off.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It's annoying.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, but I can we can sort that. But I
thought there would be a fun little thing to do.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
It's just because we've been asked to clean up the
phone dinging in the studio, and it totally makes it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
It makes sense because it's slightly distracting.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
So maybe we should turn that into content. Every time
we get told off on their show, we tend to
find a way to make it into some kind of
segment that management hates.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So let's do that. Could be it could be career ending.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
But I'm just thinking.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You get a text yep, lovely TOLSI yep. You won't
hear my phone? Dang, oh it's a photo. I claim
my phone. I didn't think my phone.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
What would you do?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
It's part of the reason why I never bloody answer
my phone because I don't have my ring on either.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
How come here always scrolling? Mate?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
That's not from that's not from my phone, daning inge,
it's not hinge?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Are you back on hange again?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I actually I'm off social media. I told you I've
been off for two weeks now.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Hinge is not social media catches.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
You on hand.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Life has changed. It's so much better without social media.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Well, Tulsi's onhnge obviously. Yeah, speaking of.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Hinge, Jerry's of what he thinks proves his list internet
really impressive one hour forty three average time last week,
and that was down thirty six percent since the leading
social Congrats mate.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Thanks very much? Am I am I a happier person? No?
Oh really, no, not really?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You should get it back then you've tried.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
No, I don't, I don't. I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Who's ding was that?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
That was mine?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
What does it say?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Do you really email?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
How this game works?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
This is this is why I had a big old
smile on my face because earlier today off here I
talked to you guys about a rumor that I'd heard,
and you poop pooed me and said, oh, well that
can't be true.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh, have we.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Got a call?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Hang on? Actually this could be interesting. Have we got
a bargo email?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
We probably can't, I hang on.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
This is an awful advocate for the new game. If
we actually can't share.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
This, no, I reckon, we can. I reckon. This is
a proper hot press release. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I mean, no one is going to give a fight?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well we will. And also the amount of time it's
going to take you to hear this podcast. By the
time it's edited, this will come out. So Jerry, because
you haven't seen the news experienced radio boss, well amazing
appointed head of Talk at News Talks. He'd being gold Sport.
That's why Stano is happy.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's a great text. Okay, well email was it as
an email? Isn't that a great game?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Steno was head of that?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
He was, but now he's just going to be head
of radio.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, good.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Actual his actual job.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Okay, Oh like yeah, that's why he's out there smiling
away stoked.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
He's probably known that news for a good month, but
unable to tell anyone.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
All Right, I'm on the pest this weekend, boys ruder.
I'll see tomorrow at the Third League. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
ye see you Jerry tomorrow, not at the ABS game. Yep,
the old Dick is going to be Yep, yep, sweet yep,
Mommy to I'm going to be the nah that's a show.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And then afterwards, because I'm doing a double ender tomorrow,
are you. I'm doing a double ender, so I'm at
the third leg and then I'm at the art the
Glasshouse near Eden Park after the game, come along a.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Lot of stuff. I hope you've got a lozenge.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
I've got a whole packet of lozenges, and I've taken
vocal steroids.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Have you've got a pack of doms in your pocket?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Number?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Don't get a lot of action, mateuse the asshouse?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
What you said?
Speaker 5 (30:33):
No, I've corrected myself. I said, oh, glasshouse. I get
confused sometimes.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Now you ever call ice house asshouse?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean these are mate. This is why you've got
to allow me and on these interviews with big time guests.
I know you think I'm going to embarrass the boys.
I'm not. But I don't miss tricks like this. I
would have missed. I wouldn't have missed over Davies last
week and I would have asked them, did you ever
get called asshouse?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Great question?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Okay, damn it all right? Sometimes you sometimes you miss things,
all right, that's just the way it goes, and broadcasting
it's a great piece of wisdom. Sometimes you miss stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Not after forty years, mate.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
What's it called? It's called it's called going down the
stairs or something. There's some there's some term the Germans
have or the French have or something. But when you're
leaving a situation and you go, damn it. I should
have said it's the going down the stairs ass house.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah, with their song electric poo oh.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Send them right now. Okay they didn't get enough credit there, joke.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Hello, I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the
Matt and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast. Right now you can
listen to our Radio Highlights podcast, which you will absolutely
get barred up about anyway. Sit to download, like, subscribe, writer,
review all those great things. It really helps myself and
Jerry and to a lesser extent, mess and ruder. If
you want to discuss anything raised in this pod, check
(31:55):
out the Conclave, a Matt and Jerry Facebook discussion group.
And while I'm plugging stuff, my book, A Lifeless Punishing
Thirteen Ways to Love the Life You've Got is out now.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Get it wherever you get your books, or just.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Google the bastard. Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Bless blessed, blessed. Give them a taste of keiw from me,
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