Rod Arquette Show: U.S. Senate Candidates John Curtis and Brad Wilson; Will Governor Cox Turn Utah Blue?

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Hello you, sah, it isso good to be with you on this
Thank Rod, it's Friday. Ihad a real short week, only worked
a couple of days, so Ican't complain, but it's just great to
be with you as we are happyto join you each and every Monday through
Friday, starting at four o'clock inthe afternoon to help you get home and
hopefully enlighten and entertain you at theat the very same time. So we've

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got we do have a lot toget to today on a Friday, now,
boy, I mean I'm looking aheadit next week. You've got the
primary on Tuesday, You've got thedebate on Thursday. We will have a
jam packed week next week, somake sure you join us on your way
home each and every night for thelatest done everything that's going on in the

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world. Now, as I mentioned, we've got a lot to give away,
I think today, Yes, wehave two more tickets our two pair
of tickets to give away to TuckerCarlson. Of course, Tucker is coming
to Salt Lake City. He'll beat Delta Center on September seventh, Saturday
evening, and he is doing aseries of stops all around the country and
He's lined up some great guests tobe with him at the various stops.

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Megan Kelly will join him, DanBongino will be joining him here in Salt
Lake City on the seventh. GlennBeck will be joining him and should be
a great evening. So we've gottwo pair of tickets to give away,
and we'll do that sometime before theshow wraps up tonight. Here on the
Rod Ark Ken Show, I wantto start off with a couple of observations
today. By the way, you'realways invited to be a part of the

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conversation on this on this show.The number you need to write this down,
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that will put you right into theshow. Quick observation. Joe Biden has

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cleared his calendar. There are nopublic events on Joe Biden's calendar until after
next third, that's the day ofthe debate. With everything that we've got
going on in the world today,Joe Biden is hiding out and sitting down
and prepping for his debate with DonaldTrump on Thursday. Now, for an

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individual like Joe Biden, who hasserved what three and a half years as
President of the United States, eightyears as Vice president of the United States,
how many years in the US Senate, wouldn't you think that he would
have a pretty good idea about whathis policies are. So what are they

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are? They just trying to makesure he gets a little nappy poo every
day so he's rested in the sharpI mean. Now, contrasts that right
now with what Donald Trump is doing. Donald Trump is out on the campaign
trail, and I think he's gota couple of big rallies planned, both
leading up to the debate and afterthe debate. I may be wrong on

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that, but I you know,Donald Trump does not need a whole lot
of prep In my opinion, DonaldTrump knows what he believes in, understands
the policies that he thinks that hethinks they're good for America, and he's
I mean, Donald Trump could gotonight. I mean, if Joe Biden

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called him tonight and said, Donaldlet's go ahead and have the debate tonight.
Donald Trump would be ready. ButI find that to be such a
contrast between these two candidates and thechoice America has to make. I still
have a very hard time in believingthat this race is as close as people

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and the polls say it is.I could be totally wrong on this one,
but you look at Joe Biden,you look at concerns about his age.
The senior moment says he has,and I tell you what you don't.
I think there was observation made today. I think it was Klay Travis
on Clay Show today, and Ithought it was a very good observation in

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which he pointed at you know,there's a lot of debate about why Joe
Biden is you know, went toTrump and said, hey, let's have
debates, but I want one inlate June. Is Joe Biden holding this
debate next Thursday or agreeing to participatein this debate next Tuesday? Not so
much for the Democratic voters, notso much for the independent or the undecided

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voters. Is he holding the debatefor his own Democratic Party? The big
wigs, the money people, themovers and shakers within the Democratic Party and
hoping that his performance will convince themthat heeds their candidate, because I still

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think within the Democratic power structure,the movers and shakers within that part,
they're not overly enthusiastic to see JoeBiden running for the White House again,
simply because of his decline and hiscognitive abilities. So I think this debate
that Joe Biden, and this maybe the reason this was Clay's theory.

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It does make some very good pointsthat Joe Biden has to convince people within
his own party and that power structurewithin his own party that he is fit
to run for office again and serveanother four years. That's what that early
June date is all about, inmy opinion, and I think it's a

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very good observation they have to make. But I just find it interesting in
the contrast of these two candidates asthey get ready to debate. Joe Biden
is holed up. There's nothing onhis public schedule between now and next Thursday.
He'll be getting with people and they'reprobably going to come up try to

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develop a strategy to attack Donald Trump. You know, he cannot, he
cannot call him a convicted felon.I think, did you see the numbers
after after the convictions against Donald Trumpseveral weeks ago. Now, Trump raised
one hundred and forty one million dollarsone hundred and forty one million dollars after

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the act of the former president wasconvicted of thirty four felony. Joe Biden
since then has raised eighty one million. So if he wants to call him
a convicted felon, probably Donald Trumpwould appreciate that because it would raise his
campaign even more money. So wheredo they go? And that's what they're
trying to figure out right now withthe Joe Biden campaign. Do we go

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after him as being a threat todemocracy? You're going to hear that,
I guarantee you are. You.You're going to attack him for being a
convicted felon. You you can attackhim on his economic policies, even though
they will try, you know,and Biden can't run on his own policies.
So what strategy is he going touse? And we're all talk about

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that a little bit later on inthe show with a former member of the
Republican National Committee and get his thoughtson that. But it's you know,
this whole idea of the contrast inthese two these two campaigns. Pretty amazing.
Donald Trump up on stage bouncing aroundDanson as bad as that dance is.
And Joe Biden, I don't knowif you saw the video that's circulating

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today on social media of him gettingoff Air Force one, I believe,
and walking to Marine one, thehelicopter to take him to I believe he's
in Delaware. I think is wherehe is. But I mean I took
him forever to get there. Imean, you know, nothing against Joe
Biden because of his He is eightyone years old, and like I said,

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we all age differently, don't we, And we do. We all
age differently. And I think hehas aged to the point that he shouldn't
be president of the United States anymore. And Oh, I wanted to bring
this up. Ask yourself this question. Does anything work in Joe Biden's America
today? Is anything out there justreally working? I bring that up because

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it was about three years ago JoeBiden rolled out what was called the Broadband
Equity Access and Deployment Program. Itwas called BEAD. He allocated forty two
and a half billion dollars of ourmoney, taxpayer money, to bring high
speed internet access to rural America.Guess what, Not a single home has

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been connected to the network. Soforty two and a half billion dollars to
connect rural America to the internet,right, high speed internet, and not
a single home? What was thatthree years ago? Now, not a
single home has yet been connected tothe network, not a single home.

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So remind you what was it thestory a couple of weeks ago, the
ev chargers, millions, if notbillions of dollars allocated toward that, and
out right now I think five orseven have been built. What's the problem?
Government bureaucracy, red tape, andother aspects of Washington that perfectly illustrate

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why the broadband and the EV chargerissue is a classic tale of government in
action. Do not depend on thegovernment to get anything done in this country
anymore. So forty two point fivebillion dollars of your taxpayer money is sitting
there on a plan to introduce highspeed internet to rural America, and in

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three years, not one poem hasbeen connected to it. All Right,
when we come back, we're goingto talk this hour, sender. Congressman
John Curtis will join US Representative Curtis, of course, running for the US
Senate seat, and Brad Wilson,former Speaker of the House, also a
candidate for that Senate seat. We'lltalk to them in the coming hour right
here on the rod Our Ketcho again. Great to be with you on a

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Friday afternoon eight eight eight five sevenzero eight zero one zero, or on
your cell phone, dial pound twoto fifty and say hey, Ron more
the rod Our Kitcho coming up.All right today, We've got the primary
coming up on Tuesday, and wehave made an effort over the last several
weeks to talk to as many ofthe candidates around the state as we possibly
could, many of them involved inthe state wide races. We're talking about

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the attorney general's race, the racefor governor, of the congressional races,
and of course the race for theUS Senate. Now, yesterday Congressman John
Curtis was in studio. We hada chance to talk with Congressman Stewart about
the campaign, but then we hada power outage and everyone everything went to
hell in a handbasket is they liketo say, And we lost that interview

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and he's agreed to come back onand join us and talk about this campaign.
John, thank you for doing thatand welcome back to the Rod Arquet
Show. Thank you. And you'veactually played into one of the things that
we all think is so funny.Not only did we have that happen yesterday,
but I get called Chris Stewart allthe time. So you meant to
say John Curtis, not Chris Stuart. Did I say Chris Stuart. I'm

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sorry about that, But you knowwhat, Chris and I love this.
It happens more than either one ofus couldn't even really really Yeah, his
last day of Congress when he resignedbecause of his search situation, the Clerk
of the House actually announced that JohnCurtis had resigned. Well, my life,

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and I'll tell you, if I'mgoing to be compared to anybody,
I'll take Christuart. All right,I'll try, I'll try and remain focused.
How does that sound, John?Does that work? Okay, I'll
just call you John. That makesit all easier. John. We talked
about this yesterday. John, youhad originally decided not to get into the
race. A few weeks later,a month or two later, you came
back and said, okay, I'min. What changed your mind? Well,

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first of all, let me justsay I think It shows the difficulty
of these types of decisions. Iremember when I was trying to decide to
run for the house, I toldpeople I would never do it, and
sure enough I found myself in thatrace. And I don't take these decisions
lightly. And my first impression was, hey, you know what, I'm
not going to do that. Butthe more I thought about it, the
more I realized, and the morepeople that approached me and asked me to

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do it. It was just prettyoverwhelming to me how many people asked me
to jump into this race, andat the end of the day, I
just really felt like it was somethingI needed to do. Did you feel
it all, John, Like,well, I've already told him I'm not
going to enter and now I'm doingso. Did that bother you at all
that you would be doing that?It did? Yeah, it did,
and I think that's why the factthat so many people asked me to reconsider

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was kind of what helped me throughthat. But yeah, I don't mind
saying that it was a deal andit was uncomfortable for me, but the
number of people that asked me toreconsider, and then my strong feelings that
it was something I was supposed todo help me get past that. John.
I get a sense out there asI talked to voters, and I
know you've been doing it for severalmonths now, as you've campaigned for this

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position, that voters are angry,John, and there's a bit of a
I want to almost describe it asan anti incumbency mood out there. They
want to kick the bums out andput some new people in. Do you
think that impacts your campaign? Youknow, angry is a good word.
I will also say there's a lackof trust. I think those are kind
of companion motions, if that makessense. And I think there's a lack

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of trust in institutions. I thinkthere's a lack of trust in politicians.
And I think actually that has playedthe opposite as you would say. It's
played in my favor in this race. Because people know who I am,
and the other candidates can and say, hey, if I'm elected, I'll
do this or I'll do that.I have the ability to stand and say
this is what I've actually done,and they can look at my record for

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the last seven years. They seemy voting record, they can see the
type of bills that I've sponsored thatI've passed the types of problems that I've
solved, and so I think inthis environment of anger and lack of trust,
that's actually paid played to my advantage. John, Let's talk about some
of the more interesting aspects of thiscampaign so far. Let's go back to
the debate there a week ago whenright at the end of the debate,

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one of your opponents, Trends Stags, accused you of insider training, and
you fought for a few minutes torespond to that. I know you said
something to him afterwards. What didyou say to him? Well, I
said a couple of things. Thefirst thing is like, I think it
exposed his character, and so Itold him that. I said, I
think that was extremely low blow becausehe had the whole debate, he had

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an entire hour to bring that up. He waited until his closing statement when
he didn't think I could respond,and I just thought that was an exposure
of his character, and so Itold him that. And the reality of
it is that it was not factualall as it came out the next day
in the press. That's not whathappened. And then to somehow refer to
the fact that because I made atrade, because a government grant was given.

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It's kind of like sin, youhave cash in your pocket, you
must have been the guy that robbedthe bank. It's that type of thought
process just didn't make any sense.And so I let him know that,
John, have you in fact benefitedfrom some information you've received in Congress?
That would be insider trading. Thatwould be a felony and I would be
in jail. The answer is no. As a matter of fact, most

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of us that serve there do atpretty strong financial cost. And I don't
mind that. I'm actually happy todo that. But the reality of it
is that everything that we do,everything that we buy, everything we sell,
is reported. There's an entire ethicsdepartment to make sure that that doesn't
happen. From time to time,somebody that does is caught and their sentence

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then they go to jail. AndI mean, I think that's one of
the reasons that I was frustrated withtrend is accusing me of sellony. That's
a serious accusation. You better havesome, you know, some documentation for
that, and he doesn't. John. I know one of the issues that
you've been involved in, as wellas climate change, You've gone to world
forums talking about climate change. Ibelieve I think you feel that, you

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know, conservatives need to come tothe table and get their ideas in when
it comes to climate change. Doyou just do you think that's a risky
approach to take, knowing there aremany conservatives out there who don't like climate
change or don't believe in climate change. Yeah, I think you and I
both know just being a Republican andeven saying the word climate is not really
good for your political career. Butwhat I saw really bothered me. And

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let me tell you what I meanby that. We're on the same trajectory
as Europe. And Europe the environmentalistsaid, hey, nuclear is bad,
shut it down, and so inmany cases they did. In Europe,
the environmentalist said fracking is bad,and so they stopped fracking. And today
they're buying fracked natural gas from anenemy. And one of my assessments of
what happened was that Republicans or conservativesweren't at that table to push back.

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And the reality of it is theideas that conservatives would put forward keep our
prices low, they keep it reliable, they keep us not just energy independent,
but energy dominant. And by theway, they reduce submissions, right,
like the idea that we would putforward do all those things and reduce
submissions. So I don't think there'sany reason that we should be afraid of

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this debate. And when we don'tengage in it, then bad things happen.
And there's no better example than Europe. Final question for you, Johnny,
is there one issue that voters herein the state of Utah when it
comes to the race for the Senateare thinking about and knowing your position on
that issue, why they would votefor you. Yeah? You know,
I'm going to kind of alter thatjust a little bit because they're not thinking

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about it a lot, and onlyto let people realize that the issue of
permitting reform is one of the mostimportant issues in the country right now.
And by that what I mean isyou can't permit almost anything where you're turning
a shovel of dirt because we've gottena track with over regulations. And one
of the things that I'm working onand hope to make substantial progress and even

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in this year a little next yearis changing the dynamics on permitting reform so
that we can use our natural resourceshere in Utah. Our resources are actually
part of the solution. They're notthe problem, and I would just say
that's probably one of the biggest issuesthat they may not necessarily see, but
that's impacting their life in a prettydramatic way. I know you've got a

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few busy days ahead. John.Thank you very much for joining us.
Thanks for coming on live after ourissues we had yesterday. I appreciate it,
John, and good luck with therest of the campaign. All right,
thanks rod all Right, that isUtah Congressman John Curtis. He is
running for the US Senate seat beingvacated by Rodney. All Right, when
we come back after our news update, Brad Wilson, another candidate in the

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Republican primary, will join us andwe'll talk about his campaign as we get
ready to vote on Tuesday. Utah'sTalk Radio one oh five nine KNRS.
Fascinating story about what could happen withthe presidential election in November in the state
of New York. President Biden rightnow is leading former President Trump by single
digits in a head to head matchin New York. That's according to a

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poll released late yesterday. A SienaCollege poll of New York registered voters found
Biden leading Trump by eight points,forty seven to thirty nine. That's a
single digit lead that hasn't happened inthe state of New York for a very
probably since Ronald Reagan won it backin what nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty four
eighty four he did, So it'sinteresting this race is tightening. Even in

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the state of New York. Peopleare saying, you know, he could
tighten things up. He may evenhave an outside chance. We'll have to
wait and see. All right,let's continue to know. With our final
interview, we've been doing a seriesof them concerning the primary coming up on
Tuesday here in the state of Utah. This past week we've been focusing on
the US Senate campaign. Just talkedto John Curtis and joining us now on

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our Newsmaker line to talk about thecampaign is former Utah Speaker of the House
in Candada for the US Senate,Brad Wilson. Brad, how are you
welcome back to the rod R can'tyou? Rod? It is always so
good to be with you, andfascinating news about the New York presidential race,
isn't it. Yeah? I knowit's eight points. It seems like
a large margin. But usually it'smore like fifteen, twenty or twenty five

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points. So obviously mister Trump ismaking some headway in that campaign. Brad,
let's talk about your campaign. You'vebeen campaigning now for several months.
What have you learned out on thecampaign trail as you've interacted with people and
asked them to vote for you?What have you learned? Brad? Yeah,
you know, I've loved it.I've been doing this in one former
fashion since April last year, soover a year and seen every corner of

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this state and met the great peopleof the state where they're at and have
loved it. And you know,I've learned a lot of things. I
think it primarily just deepened my understandingof the different issues that are state faces,
where a Western state, we've gotWestern issues around energy, around land,
around water, and the people ofthis state, you know, in
some ways similar to the people ofNew York, actually are frustrated with these

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liberal policies coming out of Washington,d C. With Washington trying to run
our lives. And I think it'seven more pronounced here in Utah, where
we see the negative implications of what'shappening and people just want government to be
small on taxes low, and theyjust reaffirmed that everywhere I went, and
I've loved it. I gosh,I just love Utah. We have such

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amazing people here and that's why wehave such a great state. Is the
dispute over land issues the biggest issuefacing a lot of people. You've talked
to Brad, you know it manifestsissues, manifests themselves differently. Yeah,
I mean when you're in rural Utah, land in one way, shape or
form is a big issue. Youknow, water is an issue across the

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state. I don't know if everyonerealizes how big of an issue is it
times, but boy, it's becominga bigger issue. But you know,
also there's these other issues that arebeing caused by Washington DC policies and by
liberal Democrats and even some go alongto get along Republicans. With all the
spending in Washington that's created this inflation. People realize that there's no discipline in

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Washington. The people we've sent backthere have failed us, you know,
and if we want different results inWashington, we need to send different people
back there. But it's going tobe interesting to see how this all shakes
out. How have you positioned yourselfbred to voters to explain to them I
can make efforts or take steps inthe right direction to solve some of these
issues. How have you been ableto position yourself in that regard. Yeah,

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well, no one that's running inthe US Center race understands the issues
across Utah as well as I do. I think it comes from my time
as a lawmaker and five years aSpeaker of the House. It's why almost
every Republican sheriff in the state supportingme, why almost every Publican lawmaker in
the state is supporting me. Theyknow that I know the issues. They
know that I'm going to go backand be a conservative fighter for Washington and

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quite frankly, Rod, they knowthat I'm not going to be beholden to
these East Coast liberal super PACs thatare propping up one or more of the
candidates in this race, and I'mgoing to be beholden to the people of
Utah. So that's I think thevalue proposition that I have. Where do
you stand on Donald Trump? Yeah, I support President Trump. I think

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as you were talking on the introabout what's happening in New York, I
mean, it's so clear even tothe people of New York as well as
the people of Utah, that wecan't stand four more years of Biden's policies.
And Trump's not perfect. I thinkwe all recognize that, and at
times I wish you would be moretempered in his use of his social media
and things he says. But froma policy standpoint, I align with him

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almost every time, and the policieswe had under his last administration were good
for our country. And when Utonsare looking at, for example, the
tax cuts that Biden says he wantsto roll back and increase taxes on the
middle class, it's easy to getbehind President Trump when you see that happening.
There were reports that surfaced at theend of May that you had either

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decided not to spend any more moneyon campaign advertising or had cut back on
your advertising spending. Is that trueand if so, why well? We
raised a record amount of money fromUton's in this Senate race in the first
nine months of our campaign and reallyproud of that effort, and without a

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doubt, I am the candidate thathas been supported by more Utons than anyone
else in this race. But oneof the things that I think is a
stark reality Rod about this is ifyou look at liberal green energy super pac
money that's coming into the Senate raceto support Representative Curtis, it's astounding and

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it looks to me like we've gota for sale sign waving over the top
of Utah, that Senate seats inUtah for sale if super PACs want to
come in and support people. Andyou know, it was said that I
was jealous of that. I'm notjealous of that. I'm disgusted by it.
I can't believe that we would havea candidate or any candidates in Utah

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that would be supportive of that andnot denounce that to support a campaign in
the state. These are not intereststhat are aligned with Utah interests. These
are not interests that are aligned withUtah jobs. And so you know,
my decision to how to spend money. We raised a record amount of money,
including a lot of money that Iput into my campaign. But at
some point you run out of money, and so we have a lot of

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momentum that we built up in thespring. We spent a lot of that
money. I think very effectively.We had the best ads of any campaign,
and we're hopeful that the momentum webuilt and all of the support that
we have from lawmakers, commissioners,and everyday utons is going to carry us
into some success next week. Well, what's your final message? You've got
one two or three days, threeor four days now before the vote on

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Tuesday. What's your final message tovoters? Brad? Yeah, Utan's need
and Uton's deserve to have one ofour own that is a strong conservative,
someone that's been a conservative their wholelife, someone that understands Utah values,
understands Utah issues, to go backto Washington and fight against the establishment,

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to fight to get things fixed,to fight to get spending under control,
and to fight to represent Utah inthe way that it's always deserved to be
represented. And there's no one runningin this race that is more capable of
doing that than I am. Andso I'd love to have people support strong
conservative have been my whole life andwant to take the skills and expertise and

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experience I have and put it towork for the amazing people of Utah.
But I just love Brad. Finalquestion for you, speaking of those ads,
I love the ad with the carsthat you have catching up and passing
by. Where was that an SSthree ninety six that you were driving,
because I think my brother had oneof those ones and I wrecked it.
So I wonder what. I wonderwhere you found it, Brad, Well,

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I give you a little secret.So Don Emson, a state senator
from Saint George's got a pretty niceclassic car collection. Okay, but that
was that was a sixty seven.That was a sixty seven Chevelle and it
was fun to drive. I betit was. I bet it was.
Well, Brad, always right havingyou on the show. Good luck with
the vote on Tuesday. Thank you, Thanks, take care all right on

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our newsmaker line. That is BradWilson, former Speaker of the House candidate
for the US Senate here in thestate of Utah. More coming up right
here on the Rod Arca Show andUtah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kan
Arrests. We've been talking a lotabout the debate. What could happen next
week? Everybody is you know howmuch attention is going to be paid to
what Joe Biden says or how heacts? Well? This morning on the

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morning news show on MSNBC Morning Joe, MSNBC political analyst Elite Jordan worked with
the State Department under George Bush's president. See revealed through focus groups what the
public is going to look for andwhat Joe Biden cannot do. He absolutely
cannot have a senior moment at thisdebate. That's what I heard from.

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I was in Wisconsin and Michigan twoweeks ago for a lot of focus groups,
and what I heard from voters Democratswho support Biden is just that they
are going to be watching and theywant to make sure that he's up to
the task. They might still beplanning to vote for him, but if
they, but they still they're uncomfortableabout the age, and it really is
an albatross that is hanging around thiscandidate campaign. All right. That's Elise

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Johnson. She was on MSNBC thismorning and she brought up a point that
I think Clay Travis made earlier today. Why is this debate being held in
June. Well, I go backto the point that Clay made. It's
not being held for independent voters,certainly not being held for Trump supporters.
He is holding this debate early totry and prove to the doubters within his

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own party, people who voted forhim back in twenty twenty and maybe waffling
a little bit in twenty twenty four. He's trying to convince them that he
is fit to run for a secondterm, and that is a very,
very tall task. So, asshe said, they're looking for that senior

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moment. If he has a seniormoment, and it's a ninety minute stand
up debate, now it's not infront of an audience, so he's not
going to be rattled by that.He's got Jake Tapper and Dana Bash buddies
of his who will be asking thequestions, so there'll be softballs toward him.
Donald Trump cannot interrupt him during thedebates because his mic will be muted,

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where I have see how that goes. That'll be interesting to watch.
Knowing Trump, he may walk overand stand next to Biden so he can
use his mic. That would behilarious. But Joe Biden, the Democrats
are still not sure. I thinkthere's some out there. They may say
publicly, even in Utah, Iknow a few Democrats who publicly say,
oh, he's fine, he'll dogreat, But privately, you know they've

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got to be worried. And Ithink that is what you know, as
she pointed out, they're looking tosee if he can get through ninety minutes
of intense debating without having a seniormoment, and if he does, the
American people are then going to startasking themselves, is this guy fit to

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be President of the United States?And already in the mind you know,
in my mind, and I thinkin many of the thoughts that you have,
Joe Biden is I mean, hishealth has just caught up to him.
He's deteriorated fairly rapidly since he waselected and put into office in January
of twenty one, and now they'regoing to see how he does during the

(30:52):
debate. But I go back towhat you know, Clay Travis said,
this debate is more for members ofhis own party to convince them that he
can do it than it is foranybody else out there. We'll have to
wait and see. Well, thereis a columnist here in the state of
Utah. He wrote an article forThe Daily color Less, a national website,
about Spencer Cox and his concern thatanother four years of Spencer Cox in

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Utah could turn blue. We'll getinto that coming up as well. And
your phone call's got a lot totalk about today with you as we head
into the weekend. So great tohave you along for the ride. We
appreciated. And then in the nexthour we'll talk about Joe Biden in his
strategy to convince Americans that the electionof Donald Trump is a threat democracy.

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I laugh every time I say that. All right, let's talk about the
campaign for governor. We had PhilLyman on what was it a couple of
weeks ago. We had a chanceto talk with Phil Lyman about his campaign.
And if you listen to the show, and there are some of you
out there who agree others who disagreewith me on the administration of Spencer Cox,

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and I have a lot of issueswith the governor. We haven't had
him on the show for quite along time, and it's because simply I
don't want him on the show.There's nothing that he and I can agree
on. I think he has donesome things in which I am not happy
about that he has done. Andhe you know, he comes across as
this mister nice guy, but I'veheard from other people that may not be

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the case. And I think,you know, his policies when he got
into office, as he replaced GaryHerbert, a couple of her four years
ago now were extremely liberal, andI think he learned a lesson from that.
Well, let's talk more about that. Joining us on our Newsmaker line
right now is Jared Whitley. Jaredis a columnist. He writes for The

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Daily Caller. He is also theprincipal principal driving force behind Whitley political media.
Jared, how are you thanks forjoining us? You know I read
this article Jared about the fact thatyou feel Spencer Cox, if re elected,
we'll turn Utah blue. You don'tsay a lot of nice things about
Spencer Cox. Why not? Becausehe's duplusinous right He four years ago he

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ran as a conservative. He createdall this literature to show he was a
champion of world Utah and he understoodthe farmers and all this kind of nonsense.
And it's very obvious that he isa wow liberal who wants to cage
to the Democrat Party rather than tolead the Republican party that gave him its

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endorsement four years ago. Jared,I've detected this and I want to see
if you agree with me. WhenSpencer Cox became governor, I think I
agree with you. I think hewent liberal. He went way center left
in my opinion, but he gotsome pushback on that, and as we've
prepared for reelection this November, Ithink he had to pivot to the right

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again. Did you see that takingplace at all? Oh? Absolutely,
absolutely, And I just hope peopledidn't fall for it, right Like,
okay, and I'm going to useanaloga that is maybe a little bit too
far, but stick with me.It's like if you're in an abusive relationship
and someone says, Okay, I'mgoing to leave. I don't want to
be abused by you anymore, andthey say, oh, no, I've

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learned, I'll do better, andit's like, okay, wait, when
if I stick around again and Ibelieve you, when is the abuse going
to start? I mean, thefirst thing you know right away is first
hundred days. He wanted to bringthe EI to the state government. He
wanted the text paers of Utah touse this awful Marxist, racist, terrible
system to try to brainwash us.He did not run on that platform.

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All the things he did he checkedto himself until he was safely on the
other side of an election. Whenhe was at the convention in twenty twenty,
when he got up to give hisremarks and say that we should endorse
him, which the delegates did.He did not share his pronouns at that
point, but he did when hewas talking to a group of vulnerable middle
aged students. So I am notalone and being frustrated with him. I

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think that a lot of the pullingthat's been out there is intended to shape
the public perception resident to reflector,and I am looking forward to celebrating at
least fifty one percent of my fellowRepublicans here in Utah demonstrating on Tuesday they
feel the same way. What doyou think of what happened at the convention?
I mean here you had the governorcome out and you know, he

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got booed. There were people outthere who were expressing their disgust with him,
and he said, you're angry atme, because I'm not angry enough.
I don't think Republicans want an angrygovernor. Do we want a conservative
governor? So his exact words theyused, he copied the language of the
left used to the human I seewith disagree on him. He said,
you hate me that I don't hateas much of you, which, of

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course this All Contribune was happy totake and run with it the headline.
So something that came out a coupledays after the convention was this poll that
I believe I'm tight in my articleby the Utah Foundation, where they found
that sixty two thirds of the statefeel that we're on the wrong track.
If two thirds of the state twothirds say that we're on the wrong track,

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that is not a sign that anincumbent gets to have his back pacid
and told to do another four years. That's assignment he's done something wrong.
Then. The number one issue inthat study and just driving your hands here
at LA is housing affordability. Andbefore Governor Comps took office, we were
in the top five most affordable statesin the country. After his first term,

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we're in the bottom five most unaffordable. The fact that he has mismanageder
stated as badly as he's done,he's lied to us and winds about getting
booed. Come on, Jared,what about the polls though, that do
indicate that he does have a lotof support in this state. At least
that's what the polls indicate. Isit because he comes across as being nice

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and here in Utah voters like nicepoliticians, so it could be it could
be. I think you've got anice up position there. I think his
niceness is a charade. I don'tthink it's nice to let our state become
a sanctuary state and our public schoolsare crowded with the children of legal immigrants.
I don't think it's nice for usto become one of the least affordable

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states in the country. I don'tthink it's nice to cave to the far
left woke transgender ideology, don't Idon't think it's nice to snap Selthi's with
Biden while he's dismantling the United States. I think there's a superficiality in niceness
that can be distracting, but isundergirded by all these terrible policies. There's

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this great quote from from Teddy Roosevelt'sIf the Roosevelt I if you're next time
you're in DC, go visit it, where the President says, if I
have to choose between being righteous orbeing polite, I hope I choose righteous.
Final question for you, I knowGovernor Corks along with the Governor there
of Colorado, being head of theGovernor's Association of been pushing this idea of

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we need to disagree better. Ithink it is very, very patronizing,
and I think it is his wayof telling conservatives to just shut up and
go along. Agree or disagree.Oh, you said it better than I
could. I describe it as atactic that's used by an abuser. Right.
If we're an abusive relationship and youobject to my finding being abused bad,

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then you're reinforcing that. The wholeidea of disagree better is not a
lecture that I will accept from someonelike Governor Cox, who on Twitter called
a special needs kid at BUYU gamea couple of years ago a racist.
A whole that is not disagreeing better. No, it is all right.

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Let's say he wins reelection. Hewins the primary on Tuesday, He's voted
again in November. If he winson Tuesday, most likely he will be
What does the second term of SpencerCox looks like? In your opinion,
Jared, I think the mask willcome up immediately. I think he will
double down on everything that he hasdone. I wouldn't be surprised if he

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switched parties to be honest, ordid I no longer recognize my own party.
I'm an independent type of thing.Jared, thank you for joining us.
Jared Whitley, he is a principalof Whitley Political Media, talking about
Spencer Cox and his concern that SpencerCox is doing everything he can do to
turn Utah blue. All right,all right, I want to talk about

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this because I think Reg and Itried to talk about this a couple of
weeks ago and we just simply ranout of time. One of the big
concerns that a lot of people havehere in the state of Utah, really
around the country. We aren't aloan in this is election integrity. We

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all want to know that when wego to vote this coming Tuesday for the
primary, certainly in the general electionin November, that are our vote is
going to be counted, and thatthe vote, the integrity of the vote
will be solid. We won't haveany questions, we won't have these stories
about hiding ballot boxes, are throwingthem away, or you know, you

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know, it is very important thatthe American people have faith in the election
process. A couple of weeks ago, European several European countries went to the
polls to vote, and the storycame out of there at that time that

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a lot of Europeans are very sickof the socialistic policies of their leaders and
are really making some changes in theirown countries. They're going back to the
someone described it as a populist movementis back in Europe. They're going to
more conservative candidates back there. Butan interesting observation was made. Nobody talked
about this. From what I understand, am not on this is limited.

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From what I understand, they donot use electronic electronic voting systems in Europe.
I may be wrong, but Iunderstand they don't. They use paper
ballots. Now has anyone ever heardof questions being raised about voting in Europe
and the integrity of that voting.They have stuck with paper ballots. They

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do not go and use electronic voting, which is a real concern among a
lot of people here in the stateof Utah and really again around the country.
Last week, Robert F. KennedyJunior said something and he may be
onto something. And that's why Iwant to get your thoughts on this tonight

(41:45):
as we talk about it. Ithink roads Friday, we can talk about
other things as well. But hewas talking about the election. I think
it was in Puerto Rico, andhe said US citizens need to know that
every one of their votes were countedand that elections cannot be hacked. And

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he thinks that if we went backto paper ballots in this country today,
it would restore or take a hugestep in restoring our faith in our elections.
Get rid of all the electronic devices. Let's go back to just filling
out a paper ballot and moving forward. You know, and there have been

(42:34):
concerns about what do they use here? Is it the er voting machine something
like that. You know, atone time the dominion voting machines have come
under attack and to a lot ofpeople are now saying, can we just
go back to vote the way weused to and that is through a paper
ballot. So my question tonight iswe lead into Thank Rod It's Friday.

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Lines are open to you at eighteight eight five seven o eight zero one
one zero. That's one of theissues I want to talk to you about
today. There are other issues outthere as well that you can weigh in
on as we get ready for thedebate, we get ready for the primary.
But what about this idea of returningto paper ballots? May never happen,
but maybe that would be a wayto restore trust in our elections today?

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Would you agree or disagree? Eighteight eight five seven eight zero one
zero triple eight five seven eight zeroone zero or on your cell phone dial
pound two fifty and say hey Rod, your calls. I'm thinking Rod,
as Friday is coming up now.I brought up the issue of paper ballots
before we went to the break becauseRobert F. Kendy has suggested maybe that
is one step that we could taketo restore faith in our elections. And

(43:44):
during the break I looked up whatthey do in Europe. I found that
in France they use the same systemthat has been used for generations paper ballots.
They are cast in person and countedby hand, and they seemed to
do just fine. Is it asolution to our concern about voter integrity or

(44:06):
election integrity here in Utah and aroundthe rest of the country. That another
topic for you to talk about tonighteight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero or on your cell phone dialpound two fifty and say hey Rod.
Let's go right to the phones andwe begin tonight with Warren in Eagle Mountain.
Warren, how are you welcome tothank Rod? Is Friday. Hey,
I'm good Rod, thanks for takinga call. You're welcome. Hey,

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listen, I agree with you.I agree with you one hundred percent.
With Governor Cox, I think he'sgone woke. I don't think he
can make a decision without talking withDeidre Henderson first. And I agree with
you on the paper ballots. Iwant to go back to stand in the
line and chatting with my neighbors untilit's my turn to go up and present
my jarver's license. Warren, whathappened to Cox? Do you think?

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Or was he always like this?We just didn't see it, you know,
I don't know he was like yousaid, he was sold to us
as a mister nice guy. AndI wasn't real happy with Gary, but
you know Gary was still a betterperson than than Cod's has been. All
right, Warren, thank you.Let's go to Jay in Riverton tonight.

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Jay, how are you welcome toThank Rod? It's Friday, doing good.
Thanks. Just with the paper ballots, it's so much easier. You
can have a whole line of peopleand everybody can look at that ballot and
they know what it says. Theyhave machines now that work like Field punch
cards, computers, and you canrun them through over and over and over

(45:36):
again. They aren't hanging chads oranything else. You can have multiple ballot,
ballot issues, you can have multiplecandidates and everything else, and you
have something that anybody can look at, the electronic ones, the numbers,
even if you're a poll watcher.You can watch the numbers and the only
thing you know is that it startedat one and ended up three thousand off

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whatever else. And they say thatthey have a unique number for each one,
and you can't even find your uniquenumber. We have that problem at
this last convention too, Janie.Do we get the results almost as quickly
as we would if we you know, if we continue with the system that
we have now with electronic voting,I mean, could we get the results

(46:20):
fairly quickly using paper ballots? BecauseI think that's what people want for the
most part. They want to voteand know as fast as the again who
won. So could we get theresults quicker using paper ballance? Absolutely,
in fact, sometimes faster. Theelection six years ago when Romney got in,
they even had to stop in themiddle, and the excuse after they

(46:42):
spent between half an hour and fortyfive minutes. They said, Oh,
we just had a couple of wireswe had to rearrange, Like, excuse
me, how does that affect howwe're electing people? But yes, they
can absolutely go as fast or fasterbecause the electronic things take a certain amount
of switching, a certain amount ofprocessing, So the papers go through and

(47:07):
everything else, it's as quick andsometimes quicker. All right, Jay,
thank you very much, and thankyou for your service when it comes to
being an election watcher. LESCo toCottwood Heights and talk with David tonight here
on the rod Our Kitcho and thankyou. Right, it's Friday. Hi
David, how are you? I'mfine? Rod? Thanks? Hey.
I just started pointing out for yearsI was an independent. I didn't want

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to be a joiner of the Democratsor Republicans. But I eventually got smart
enough to realize that the real electionis not in November. Especially for federal
offices and a lot of most ofstate offices. The decision made is made
on who's going to win next weekin the Republican primary, because the Democrats

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not going to win in this state. And so if you're not listed as
Republican, even if you don't wantto be. If your relation is a
Republican, you can see who thecandidates are and and vote on them so
that you can actually make a decision. So I just started to point that
out. Yeah, well, Ithink you agree. This is the state
that is dominated by the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is not strong in

(48:17):
this state. I think if youcompared people who were registered Democrats to people
who are registered Republicans in this state, I think it's like five to one.
That maybe high, maybe low asa matter of fact. So yes,
that's why. And I've talked aboutthis before. This vote coming up
on Tuesday is a very important votefor the people of Utah because most likely

(48:42):
the winners coming out of that Republicanprimary will dominate the vote on November fifth.
So you know, it's up toyou to decide if you're going to
vote, but you know you shouldbecause it is this one is as important
as November other than the fact thatwe have got the presidential candidates on the
ballot at that time. That's whyit's very important for you. All Right,

(49:05):
let's go to uh, let's goto Michael in Cottonwood Heights tonight here
on thank right, it's Friday,Hi, Michael, how are you?
Thanks for joining us, fantastic,thanks for having me. You're welcome.
Question regarding I heard that California receivedbillions of COVID money and New York received

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billions of COVID money, and thatUtah got more COVID money than California and
New York combined. I never heardthat. Where are you hearing that?
Michael? It was on a newsfeed that I read, and I was
shocked to hear that that kind ofmoney was applied for by Utah and that

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and it also said it was Thebig question was where did it go?
Was it accounted for? You know, I'm going to have to check on
that, and I haven't seen storieslike that. I would be amazed if
in fact that's the case. Butit's certainly worth a question worth asking,
isn't it, Michael? If wegot that much money, where to go
it? Sure is? Yeah?Yeah, all right, Michael? Yeah,

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all right, Michael, Thank you. I hadn't heard that, but
we'll check into it and see ifin fact Utah did get more COVID money
than California and New York combined.All right, more coming up, it
is, Thank rod Is Friday andthe phone lines are open to you eight
eight eight five seven O eight zeroone zero, triple eight five seven O
eight zero one zero, or onyour cell phone dial Town, dial pound

(50:34):
two fifty and say hey, Rod, let's go back to the phones.
We talked to you tonight about theissues that are important to you. We
head back to the phones. Let'stalk with John in Francis tonight here on
the Rod. Our can't show John, how are you? Thank you so
much for joining us. Really goodRod, and I hope you are as
well. I am thank you.I in person, had to show my

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ID. It was extremely quick.I was first in line. It took
me just second. It was great. I have a big concern about the
mail in voting system that we havehere in Utah in that it's fraught with
possibilities for voter fraud. I knowof people that tell tell their associates that

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say, oh, I'm not goingto vote. They say, okay,
that's fine, just sign your ballotand give it to me and I'll take
care of those. Oh no,that's not what we want, is a
John. No, that's kind ofwhat happened in that last election with the
Democrats. Yeah, so would yoube in favor of working back toward paper

(51:43):
ballots, though, John, Well, when I went to vote today in
person, basically the computer filled outmy paper ballot for me, put it
in the envelope, and handed itin. So you know, I don't

(52:05):
like it. If it's more convenientfor some people. I think people that
have a medical situation where they can'tvote, or are in the armed forces,
or are going to be absentee,I believe that those should be allowed
to vote absentee or with a pickballot. I believe that the rest of
us should have to show our idto vote. Amen with you on that

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one, John, I agree.Let's go to Maria, who's in Goshen
tonight here on the rod or catchupMaria. How are you? Thank you
so much for joining us. I'mgood, Rock. This is totally off
the subject to whatever it is.But I've been listening to all of the
local news and other news about theWashington murders with us parents and stuff.
Yes, and as a woman,I'm offended on to where they're saying that

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that man that killed his parents isa woman. He's not a woman biologically,
he's not. It offends me andI just kind of wanted to bring
that up, and I know alot of other women, you know,
feel the same way. I wishthey would quit saying woman, it's not
a woman, it's a transgender youknow. You know what I find it?

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You know what I find interesting aboutthis story, Marie, And it's
been a fascinating story to follow downthere in a broader sense, what is
happening with the transgender movement and theviolence that that that people are trans commit.
I mean, there are their storyafter story out there are people shooting
people, they're mad at their parents. Look what happened was it Nashville with
a school shooter there and killing studentsthere? Nobody is talking about the violence

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that is associated with transgenderism, andI think it's an issue that should be
explored. Would you agree. Ithink they're mental, something's not right with
their brain. Yeah, I'm withyou on that one. I know,
I know it sounds rude, butit's true. It's a mental issue.
No, it is. Yeah,it's not rude to say that, Marie.
You're right. I think it isa It is a mental illness that

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needs to be addressed, and thiscountry doesn't want to do that. Back
to the phones, as we go. Let's talk with Aaron in Smithfield tonight
here on thank right as Friday higherin Tyrod. I want to add very
quickly to what the previous college justsaid. There's an organization called able Child,
and it is actually tracking the drugsthat a lot of these mass shooters

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are put on and things like that. So it's really important if you have
an opportunity look up able Child.You know, what I called in about
was the all these violent crimes thatare happening by the illegals in the country.
And I did some stats, andI actually did these a couple of
years ago because I knew as theamount of people coming into the country would

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grow, these issues would come withthem. And Latin America leads the world
in crime and violence. And Ilooked up the stats on rape in the
United States, not the lowest,but forty rates per one hundred thousand in
South America typically, and this variesper country, one hundred and thirty six

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per hundred thousand, And in Brazilthere's a rate every ten minutes of a
woman. Wow. So you know, we really need to understand what we're
bringing in. And I know peoplehere that have gone on and a lot
of people here in Utah have goneto missions in South America, and the
people that I talked to, youknow, they're nice people and everything,

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but they don't have the same valueof life that we do. And we're
importing that into our country at arapid rate, so the price will be
paid. Well, let me sharethis with you, and you may not
have heard this, speaking of thisinformation and all the information you have on
that, there is a report revealingthat within the first five years of the

(55:50):
DOCTA program Right for Illegals, seventynine thousand recipients were released into the United
States. These are people released withguests what criminal records. Nobody had stayed
on top of this, Yeah,nobody. This is a reporting, just
the news, and it said amajority of these illegals were brought into the
country illegally by their parents or otheradults, were between the ages of nineteen

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and twenty two when they were arrested. I mean, eighty thousand doctor recipients
had criminal records. Pretty amazing,isn't it. Aaron? Well, during
the Obama administration, I was theschool board in Pennsylvania and they had the
unaccompanied charge. Oh yeah, Executiveorder and that required every school district to

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bring in anybody that said they wereunder the age of eighteen, regardless of
documentation, immunization, vaccination, oranything. And a handful came to the
north northeast part of Pennsylvania. Theywere all supposedly young men. They all
disappeared within one year, and that'swhen you had all that MS thirteen crime
and stuff up in New England.Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Thank

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you Aaron for that information in whatwe've seen lately. And I this should
come up in the debate, andhopefully if the great moderators of that debate,
Jake Tapper and Dana Bash don't askit, I hope that Donald Trump
is somehow able to bring it up. But look at the murders of young

(57:20):
women in this country by people whoshould not be here. You've got Houston,
You've got New York, the rapeof a child, You've got the
murder in Georgia. I mean,how much more? I mean, we're
inviting these known animals, who areanimals in their own country to now come
into this country and commit whatever Hainusact they want to commit. More coming

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up here on the rod Ar Kentchoand Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
can arrests. Well, let's talkabout the debate next Thursday. Joe Biden
is hunkered down for the next week. He'll be at his campaign headquarters.
I believe he'll be in Delaware meetingwith US campaign staff as they seek to
prep him for his debate with DonaldTrump and what direction will he take.

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He certainly cannot run on his record, even though they claim the Biden administration
and the Democrats all claim the economyis doing much much better, prices are
coming down. None of us believethat. Right now, many people are
thinking that he is going to unleashan attack on Donald Trump and talk about
the fact that Donald Trump is athreat to democracy. Well, joining us

(58:27):
on our Newsmaker line right now totalk more about that is Jim Gilmore.
Jim Gilmour, former governor of theGreat State of Virginia, also former chair
of the Republican National Committee. Jim, great to have you on the show.
Governor. I want to start offby asking you about this strategy,
this threat to democracy strategy that JoeBiden may employ in next week's debate.
Do you think it's the right move? I think it is It may be

(58:51):
end up being a wise strategy ifit's believed, but it's not the service
to the nation for him to bedoing that. The United States Constitution is
intact. There's zero chance that thedemocracy is in any danger whatsoever, And
he does a disservice to the peoplein the United States by asserting something like
that. It's a scare tactic.Where does he come up with this idea

(59:12):
or where are they coming up withthis idea to try? Are they trying
to frighten the American people? Doyou think yes, they're trying to frighten
the American people into voting for PresidentBiden in the election by casting by defining
President and Trump as a threat todemocracy, that is false and it's dangerous
and inappropriate language for president of theUnited States and President Biden should not be

(59:36):
saying these things. Where do theysee Trump being a threat to democracy?
In your opinion, what has hesaid? What has he done? I
mean, we've seen four years ofhim in the White House already. I
didn't see democracy going away during hisadministration. What exactly has he done to
get this label of him being athreat to democracy? Governor, Well,
during the Trump administration, there waszero threat to the Democrat Say Iowa was

(01:00:00):
United States Ambassador to Ossee during thatwhole period of time. The President adhere
to the law and adhered to theforeign policy the United States and defined all
that perfectly appropriately. So we havea track record on President Trump, and
he has not said things like this, But I do believe that President Biden

(01:00:22):
has done some things that can beinterpreted as a threat to democracy. I
think the failure to enforce the immigrationlaws is one. I think that the
insistence on the forgiveness of student debteven though the Supreme Court told him he
can't do it. These are examplesof behavior that President Biden has done that

(01:00:45):
lends the impression of the American peoplethat the law does not matter. But
the law does matter, and thepeople in the United States ought to have
faith in their judicial system and theirrule of law. President Biden is undermining
them by these reckless statements. Governor, If that is the case, and
I totally agree with you on everyone of those points that you make,

(01:01:06):
why aren't Republicans responding when they hearwell, Donald Trump is a threat to
democracy by pointing out the things thatyou just pointed out and said the bigger
threat is not Totald Trump, itactually is Joe Biden. Why are Republicans
hammering that message more often? Well, I feel certain that President Trump will
respond to that in the debate.If President Biden continues this false narrative,

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I think that President Trump will respond. But the reason why it isn't being
discussed so much is because we areactually addressing the substantive issues facing the people
of the United States, and thatis the border being insecure, that illegal
immigrants are flooding across the Southern Balifer, that Fentonol is coming with many of

(01:01:49):
those couriers. The inflation has hita high, and mothers and fathers and
working people everywhere are looking at theinflationary costs of living, the cost of
the as pumped to cost at thegrocery store. That the international security,
which is something I've been talking about. These are serious problems right now,
and President Biden has not done enoughin order to deter the Russians or the

(01:02:13):
Chinese for that matter. I thinkthat the Republicans have more to say than
just fear monitoring, and I thinkwe're going to be more effective for that
reason. Do you fear, though, Governor, that this message may eventually
resonate with the American people as beinga threat to democracy because you have the
media, the democratic controlled media,saying it every day over and over and

(01:02:36):
over again. Certainly a big liesay it over and over again eventually is
believed to be the truth. Soit is vital that we speak out on
this and it makes it clear thatit's just scare tactics and just fear monitoring.
But in the end, at theend of the day, the American
people are not going to be fooledby this kind of nonsense. They're going
to instead focus on the real issuesfacing this presidential campaign, and those of

(01:02:59):
the issues of foreign relations, inflation, crime, and an insecure border.
These are the serious issues. Ithink that it will decide the election this
coming November. Governor Gilmore, Iwant to get your thoughts, your general
thoughts on the rates in general herein just a minute, But I want
to ask you about the debate nextThursday night. What does Donald Trump,
how do you see it shaping up? What does the former president need to

(01:03:22):
do next Thursday. Well, I'vehad a chance to do two presidential debates
myself, including one at the ReaganLibrary, but I've also done numerous debates
at the state level in Virginia.Yeah, prepare for those debates by making
what you understand the issues and theissues that you want to make your themes
in the debate. I believe thatthe standards though that's being put forward,

(01:03:46):
which is that the people are sayingthat President Biden is so infirmed that if
he just makes it through the debateupright, that that's a win for him.
I emphatically disagree with that the peopleof the United States States need to
assess the caliber and quality of theirpresident based upon what he looks like,
what he says, and what hedoes during the debate. And frankly,

(01:04:08):
I think that a president should havea very high standard of success, not
a low bar. Story out today, final question for you, governor.
Story out today showing that Donald Trumphas raised a lot of money since the
convictions were handed down a few weeksago, really outpacing Joe Biden. What
is your general assessment of the racenow that we're less than five months away
from the vote. There's still alot of time to go and a lot

(01:04:31):
of issues that can develop, anda lot of events that can develop between
now and the November election. Butwhat I believe is going on though,
is if you really look at theswing states, if you look at states
now that are becoming swing states,like Virginia for example, which is typically
a Democrat state, which is nowtied. I believe what's really going on

(01:04:51):
is that the people in the UnitedStates are not happy, and I think
that that really is what is drivingthe election. Right now, Let's wait
and see what happens. But ifwe stay on our proper themes and talk
about a forward looking, positive messagefor the future and as it's time for
a change, I believe President Trumpwill woo in re election. On our

(01:05:14):
newsmaker line, the former governor ofVirginia, Jim Gilmour, giving us his
take on the debate between Donald Trumpand Joe Biden. Coming up next Thursday.
All right, more coming up righthere on the rod Ark Kent Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh fivenine. Knrs Well joining us in the
studio right now to talk about theevent. It's Kevin Ireland. Kevin is
the executive director of the Utah AirShow Foundation. Kevin, thanks for being

(01:05:38):
here this afternoon. Kevin, letme ask you. You've got about a
week to go. Are you already. We are ready and excited and we
can't wait till everybody come out andcheck out what we're doing. How big
of a job is to put ona air show like this year? As
well? It takes eighteen months worthof planning to do something like this.
Yeah, it's a large team andwe plan eighteen months almost two years out

(01:05:58):
for some of it. It justtakes that to put it all together.
How do you do things differently everyyear? I mean you do. You
want to bring in new acts,new things that people have never seen.
You have to get really create challenges. Yeah, it's a challenge. You
have to get created because we alsowant the top pilots and there's only so
many so and we don't want torepeat every year, so we really try
hard to bring in new and excitingacts, things people haven't seen, but

(01:06:21):
also top quality. Okay, whatnew will we see this year? Well,
two things we will be see inthis year that we've never had once
called to to Tora. It's areenactment of the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
Yeah, eighteen aircraft in the sky, all World War two era with Pyro.
So it's a thirty minute show reenactingthe bombing of what happened at Pearl

(01:06:43):
Harbor with MiGs in the whole nineyards. So it is an exciting,
exciting show, fun to watch,especially with that many aircraft going in all
different directions in the sky. Maintainingthese World War Two era planes themselves.
How big of a challenge is that? I mean, find parts, if
you have a a part you needto Yeah, that's a great question.
It's a labor of love, certainlyfor these folks that own these aircraft,

(01:07:04):
and they actually sometimes have to maketheir own parts really, but it is
a labor of love. You havethe Commemorative Air Force which is all over
the US, and they have differentorganizations or clubs if you will, in
different states, and they each havetheir own types of aircraft. So there's
Texas and Arizona, Utah has achapter. And then you can contact them

(01:07:27):
and have them bring their specialty aircraftwhatever it is they may have, whether
it's a B twenty five or anF four or a F eighty six or
B seventeen, and they'll come andeither be a static aircraft or they'll fly
as part of a show. Eighteenaircraft in the sky all at eight eight
eight eight eight but I mean eight, that's a lot. It's a lot,

(01:07:49):
and you're gonna be looking all overbecause there's gonna be bombs going off
and flyer and all kinds of funstuff. So it's a great show.
The second one that I think peopleare really going to get a kick out
it is called end Sticks and it'stwo aircraft, a jet truck and tons
of pyro. Wow. And theseare aerobatic aircraft, so they'll be falling

(01:08:09):
and tumbling and diving at each other, and the jet trucks blowing smoke and
fire out of its stacks, andthen bombs are going to be going off
and wall of fire and all thatkinds of fun stuff. So wow,
wow, what I mean, you'vebeen doing this for quite a long time,
over twenty years, ty years you'vebeen doing this. Is there one
thing that people always just love thatthey've got to see every time it comes

(01:08:30):
from? Well, certainly the UnitedStates Air Force Thunderbirds is a huge,
huge hit. I mean, everybodywants to see them, but I think
for the most part, it's justthe chance to see the older aircraft fly.
Now, there's so many people thatlove to see the B fifty two
or the P fifty one Mustang flyacross the sky and it's just spectacular.

(01:08:50):
You get a chance to see andcertainly the new stuff too. As an
example, on Saturday, we havea fly overcoming of a B two bomber.
Wow, that's a rare occurrence andwe don't get that very often,
so people are going to be wowedby that. Yeah, And of course
we have the F thirty five andthose kind of things, so it's it's
really going to be an opportunity forpeople to see a large variety of aircraft.

(01:09:12):
What do you suggest, because youalways get hundreds of thousands of people
show up for these we do theseevents, what do you suggest people do
or how should they come prepared?When should they start showing up? What
are the first The first thing ispublic transit. HU take the front Runner
up. It'll take your right tothe Clearfield station and get on a UTA
bus and i'll take your right tothe flight line. You don't have to
mess with traffic, you don't haveto drive your car. It's easy and

(01:09:36):
it's inexpensive. They're offering special ticketson the front Runner for this very event
both days. Then after that,wear a hat, wear sunscreen. This
simple things. You know, dresscomfortably. We're great comfortable shoes, and
just plan on being there a longtime and enjoying yourself. Pace yourself.
There's lots to see and do.Take your time and enjoy all of it.

(01:09:58):
When people walk around, what dothey see when they walk around?
Oh gosh. We have everything froma play area for the kids to all
different kinds of aircraft. We haverepresentations from people like Boeing and Lockey that
can show you engines and how planesare built. And then we have another
area called STEM City Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics, and it's showing
kids and families how those different aspectsof education fall into building everything from robotics

(01:10:25):
to jet airplanes. We just markedthe eightieth anniversary of DJ We did.
The appreciation I think for the militaryin this country always goes up when we
have events like that. Do yousee that as well? Oh? Absolutely,
I think that's why we have sucha large crowd that comes out to
this particular show. The patriotism,the support and the love they have for

(01:10:45):
their military members and their community andtheir neighborhoods is unmeasured anywhere else. Well,
Kevin, you guys always put ona great show. Good luck.
Next weekend gonna be a lot offun, a lot of fun. It's
going to be warm, Be prepared, drink a lot of water and come
out and have a great time withyour family. Us in studio Kevin Ireland,
the executive director the Utah Air ShowFoundation. They're responsible for the annual

(01:11:05):
Big Air Show at Hill Air ForceBase coming up this coming weekend. By
the way, we have some tickets. If you'd like to win a four
pack of VIP tickets for the airshow, all you do is have to
go to the Utah Airshow dot com. Price is going to be provided by
Hell Air Force Base. You cancheck it all out on our website.

(01:11:25):
You can enter to win those ticketsat knars dot com. All right,
coming up next all our listen backFriday segments right here on Talk Radio one
oh five nine KNRS. Anthony Fauciis out talking to the media again.
He's got a brand new book out, but it seems like almost every day
he's admitting maybe we didn't need todo that, or this idea of social
distancing wasn't based on anything scientific.We just kind of made that up.

(01:11:50):
The mass the closing of schools,well, I think people are getting sick
and tired of this, and they'resaying, Okay, what do we do
with this anymore? Well, earlierwe had spoken with Nicole Russell. She
is a columnist with USA Today,and she wrote about Anthony Fauci and the
nose science behind guidelines, and Iasked Nicole what she makes of all this
new information coming out about what wedid to protect ourselves from COVID nineteen.

(01:12:14):
I think when Americans think about thistime frame, yeah, they originally were
very forgiving. You know, wehad all of these mandates. We had
to lock down, we had toshut schools, we had to close churches,
we had to keep most of ourbusinesses closed except for you know,
the ones they've even necessary. Andso I think at first Americans were really

(01:12:39):
they tried to be understanding. We'dnever seen anything like this before. This
is rather unprecedented. No one knewhow to handle it. I wrote in
my piece that I was afraid enoughthat I kind of wrote a makeshift will
for my kids. Yes, youknow, everyone was afraid to begin with.
But you know, as time movedon pretty quickly with in a few

(01:13:00):
months, we could see that COVIDwas really targeting Unfortunately the elderly population,
they seemed to be getting hit thehardest, and that perhaps locking down the
entire country, including our businesses andour schools, was maybe overreactive. It
was a poor choice for us atthe time. So I think that's the

(01:13:24):
way Americans are looking at it now. And the news that doctor Fauci brought
out last week during his hearings justreally exemplified this more. It made Americans,
I think, all the more madthat their intuition was correct. Americans
did overreact because of what doctor Fauciand the government suggested we do to handle

(01:13:48):
the pandemic Nicole, Why do youthink public health officials like doctor Fauci and
others were afraid to shift and comeback and say, you know, we've
realized we have a great understanding ofthis now it is affecting the elderly.
We are going to shift our strategyand focus more on what we can do
to protect the elderly and other peoplewe've asked to do this, or that

(01:14:10):
we're going to ease up on thoserestrictions. Why were they so afraid to
backtrack or readjust a little bit.That's a great question, I think.
I think even in your question.You point out that is what most people
would would do or would have likedto have seen. I think even if
the administration, led by the CDCand doctor Fauci, would have said,

(01:14:30):
we've gone too far with shutting downtoo soon, we should we should only
quarantine the sick, or quarantine theelderly elderly and not the healthy, maybe
we would have had more patients.I think the reason, the reasons maybe
why they did not backtrack. Ithink there's a couple. I think maybe

(01:14:53):
I think still fear. You know, there were there were people getting sick
and dying, so I don't wantto downplay the fact that people did die
of COVID, and I do thinkthat there was still fear of variations of
COVID and that perhaps maybe if theylet up, there would be a new
variation and then they'd have to clampback down. So I think there was

(01:15:15):
still some ongoing fear, which isunfortunate because fear shouldn't take the place of
science, you know, And that'sbasically what doctor Fauci said during those hearings
is we didn't really have a lotof science to back up the reasons that
we gave everyone for social distancing.The second reason I don't really want to

(01:15:36):
go too deeply into this because Ihave not done a lot of my own
investigative work. But I did geta lot of feedback from readers who suggested
there was quite a bit of moneyto be made on vaccines from you know,
various companies. I'm not suggesting rondoingor you know, blaming anyone yet,

(01:15:59):
but I do say think it's wiseto probably follow the money trail and
see if perhaps there was more goingon than we realized. Nicole, what
about the people in the early stagesof this who were already asking questions and
saying, wait a minute here,this may not be correct, something's wrong
here, we don't buy into thisyet, and they were brutally attacked.

(01:16:21):
I mean, how do you youknow? Is that fair? What needs
to When is someone going to comeout and say we apologize for this,
we did go too far. Yeah, yeah, that's another great question.
I was one of those people.I wrote a piece in The Atlantic a
couple months into COVID saying that weneeded to reopen schools, that it was
just too much for parents to bear. It was too hard on the children

(01:16:45):
to be out of their routines andnot learning. Even in Texas where I
live, we only shut down fora couple of months, and we saw
significant pandemic learning loss in other states, like I mentioned in my piece,
like like New York. We're talkingyears and years of pandemic learning loss.

(01:17:05):
And there were a lot of peoplelike myself and and with people with far
more credibility, far more accolades andPhDs saying, you know, I think
I think maybe we should pause.You know, we don't need to shut
down. I mean, if youremember, there was a time frame where

(01:17:25):
you know, a business like Targetcould stay open because it was deemed essential,
but a mom and pop pizza jointhad to shut down, and I
got I got an email from readerssaying I was one of those business owners
that had to shut down and neverrecovered. So I think, I don't
think that people who were, youknow, trying to raise the alarm and

(01:17:47):
trying to sound that belt, Idon't think they're going to get an apology
if you're waiting. I mean,I think doctor Fauchi kind of had his
chance, and during the hearings hesaid he did he make a few concessions
that he hopes we do things alittle differently next time. I hope we
do too, but I don't thinkyou're going to ever hear wow, I'm

(01:18:10):
really sorry. Here's all your moneyback, Here's all your life savings back
if you lost it running a business. Here's decades worth of pandemic learning loss
back. You know, those arethings we cannot undo, which is why
I think it's so important to rememberthe process of the things that happen,
so that God forbid if something likethis happens again, you know, we

(01:18:33):
don't make these same mistakes. Aspart of our List Back Friday presentation,
our conversation with Nicole Russell, acolumnist with USA Today. More coming up
right here on the rod Ark KentShow and Talk Radio one oh five nine
can Arrests. You know you hearme talk about electric vehicles. I am
not opposed to electric vehicles. Ifsomebody wants to go out and buy an

(01:18:53):
electric vehicle, there are some veryhappy customers out there. I guess.
I've talked to owners of Tesla's.They absolutely love that. I'm not opposed
to it. What I've been opposedto since the Biden administration has taken over
is the fact that they're forcing usto drive electric vehicles. Put it out
in the free market, let itcompete. That's what angers me about that.
But I think there's a lot ofmisinformation out there, including the real

(01:19:15):
cost of electric vehicles. We spokerecently with Jason Isaac, he's a senior
fellow of Life Powered with the TexasPublic Policy Foundation, about the real cost
of evs, and I asked him, was he, in fact surprised when
they did all the research on thecost the real cost of electric vehicle if
he were surprised by the numbers thatcame out. Absolutely? Yes, absolutely,

(01:19:40):
and so was your Senator Lee.And he wrote a letter to the
Comptroller General, the Government Accountability Officejust last months, I think on May
twentieth, twenty four, asking themto investigate why electricity was removed from the
benefits in nineteen ninety four, andthey replace the language with liquid alternative fuels.

(01:20:03):
But the EPA and the National HighwayTransportation Safety Administration, the Department of
Energy continue to give evs a massivemultiplier. What would they would consider a
gallon equivalent? They what this multipliedtimes six point sixty seven And that's what
you get when it's so a teslathat gets one hundred miles per gallon is

(01:20:24):
getting nearly seven hundred miles equivalent credits, and then they're selling those credits to
other automobile manufacturers to make their corporateaverage fuel economy. It's nearly twenty thousand
dollars in additional subsidy per electric vehiclesold. So the benefits that the wealthy

(01:20:45):
are receiving are astronomical. Astronomical becausethat's what most wealthy people are. Most
EV owners are wealthy individuals. Thinkgets over eighty percent of people that make
well over six figures that are buyingthese is a third vehicle, a fancy
golf cart to drive around make shortcommutes on. And here we are crushing
the least among us to subsidize thosewealthy individuals. Jason, what about the

(01:21:09):
mere cost of building the darn things? I mean, is it more expensive
to build one of these things thanit is a typical internal combustion vehicle?
I mean, Ford profits last yearwould have been double. They lost two
billion dollars on their evs. Nowthe losses are tracking over one hundred thousand
dollars per EV sold, and thenyou add in the fifty thousand dollars of

(01:21:32):
credits that we've calculated the twenty thousandthat I mentioned from the corporate average fuel
economy, the federal tax credit ofseventy five hundred, there's a whole bunch
of other credits and subsidies that arein there. That's one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars, and then they're losingover one hundred thousand dollars. And these
costs. These cars cost on averageover sixty thousand dollars, So you're talking

(01:21:54):
expenses that exceeding two hundred thousand dollarsfor an ev Barely any body would be
able to afford them at that cost, and that's why the government has to
step in and so such heavily subsidizethem. But they're losing their minds on
the on these things, and that'swhy they're cutting back their projections. You
know, they Biden administration, sothey wanted to build five hundred thousand stations.

(01:22:15):
They've spent seven point five billion tobuild seven stations. It's just absurd,
and they can't do it because nocompany can meet the DEI requirements that
they have to meet to be ableto build the darn things. Makes a
lot of sense to me. JasonWow yeah, well, you know,
DEI didn't earn it, and apparentlythey didn't earn any electrical certifications, and

(01:22:40):
that's why they have seven stations toshow for seven point five billion dollars,
and the ones they have completed,people are stripping the copper out of them
like that. So let me understand, Jason, the people who buy these
cars, for the most part,are fairly wealthy people. I mean,
you know, you've got to spendsome money to have one of these cars.

(01:23:00):
We're subsidizing them even though they mostlikely could afford them without the subsidies
if they really wanted them. Isthat right, Yeah, that's absolutely yeah,
you're absolutely right. Again, theaverage cost of an EV is over
sixty thousand dollars per vehicle. Thatfar exceeds the cost of the average cost
of internal combustion engine vehicle. Butthen they get all these tax credits and
subsidies, so we are we're subsidizingwealthy and those costs are being passed on

(01:23:24):
to purchasers of internal combustion engines.That's why people are keeping their cars longer
than ever before now because they can'tafford to buy a new car, and
they certainly can't even afford to buya used car because those costs are getting
pushed up because those vehicles are havingto subsidize evs with this crazy corporate average

(01:23:44):
fuel economy federal requirement to improve fueleconomy, and so it's just another market
distorting policy being pushed by the federalgovernment. Well, I was going to
say, Jason, are most Americansrejecting this because they feel it's being shoved
down our throats and that is notthe American way. We don't like doing
things like that. Yeah, forthe first time ever, Tesla had a

(01:24:05):
decline in sales from year over yearat their last reports. Wow, that
they showed up. And that's themost brand loyal ev manufacturer. Most people,
a majority of people that buy anyother brand besides Tesla, when they
go to buy another car, theyreturn to an internal combustion engine. Fortunately

(01:24:26):
for Tesla, they've got brand loyalty. We'll see how long that lasts.
Now they're slashing the prices and theresale value of used evs is going down
significantly, So I don't know ifit's going to hold much longer. But
right now it's just over fifty percentof people that buy a Tesla, they
go back and they buy another Tesla. I want to ask you about that,
because I think they're one or twocompanies. So I see here in

(01:24:46):
Salt Lake, Soody, which areselling used evs. How do they sell?
I mean, do people pick themup? Do they get a good
price for them? Is the pricelower? How do use ev sell?
Well, they are dropping in pricebecause Tesla has lowered the cost of a
new one. And it's one ofthe reasons that Hertz has just taken such
a beating. You know, theyagreed to about one hundred thousands these electric

(01:25:09):
vehicles and immediately said we're going tosell twenty thousand of them. And Tesla
responded by lowering the cost of thenew vehicles, so that means the used
ones even became worthless, if notworthless, But the cost of the used
evs are selling, they're reducing significantly. And part of the problem is that
demands just not there. People haveanxiety about the range. They don't know

(01:25:32):
where they're going to find a chargingplace where if they do find a charging
place, the cables have all beenstripped out, and it doesn't work.
That was a study that the LosAngeles Times did that showed over half of
the stations they visited didn't work.That's pretty If you were in a gasoline
vehicle car and half the stations didn'twork, I'd be getting a little bit
nervous and starting to drive with agas can. Fortunately, for gasoline vehicles

(01:25:55):
that doesn't happen, but for evsit does, and so people are concerned
about that. Yeah, Jess,I want to ask you another question.
Every year they have a big autoshow here in Salt Lake City, and
this year we were at the autoshow. I had a chance to interview
a real insider in the auto industry, and I asked him. He said,
what do you see? What doyou see ahead in twenty twenty four
for evs and hybrids? And hesaid, this is going to be the

(01:26:16):
year of the hybrids. He thinkshybrids are going to catch on your thoughts
on hybrids and the cost of ahybrid versus an EV. Well, so
that's the thing, and hybrid's reallyis where the market should have gone.
Yeah, the government stepped in andstarted offering this crazy multiplier. Even the
chairman of Toyota has come out andsaid that he could build with the components,

(01:26:38):
the materials, the rare earth elements, the critical minerals that go in
one EV he could use and replaceand build sixty six. Hybrid Electric vehicles
that have extended range are more fuelefficient. The cost benefit analysis for a
hybrid is there over an EV.But when you get this market distorting multiplier,
in effect, there's a motivation forthe car companies to build evs even

(01:27:02):
if the demand isn't there. Sowe've got to repeal this corporate average fuel
economy multiplier that they are giving illegallyto EV manufacturers and level the playing fields.
And if you do that, themarket will move dramatically to hybrids.
And that's going to save people moneyat the pump because they're going to be
getting better fuel economy. The carsare more efficient, they won't need to

(01:27:26):
be replacing tires every ten thousand mileslike an EV is, or replacing batteries
every seven years like an EV does. Well, that's amazing. I drove
a hyphe bread for a short timein a vehicle or a car dealer that
I was endorsing. It was amazing. I could go it seemed like forever
before I would ever fill up.It was absolutely amazing. Jason, they're
pretty racing vehicles. Yeah, theyreally are. They're fantastic. We've got

(01:27:47):
one in our family. We've gota couple of compress natural gas vehicles in
our family. So we venture outand try different technology as part of our
Listen Back Friday segment. Jason Isaacwith the Texas Public Policy Foundation,

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