Labrador Retriever, is it the most reliable dog for hunting?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Now here's Doug Pike. All right, here we go. Saturday
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with this audience and that of this station. And no,
I don't speak for gentlemen's clubs. I don't speak for booze.
I really don't. And it's not that I'm a teetotaler
or anything. I don't drink years ago. Two reasons I
don't drink. One, my father was an alcoholic and he

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beat it late in life, and I was so happy
because we had the I don't know, the final ten
twelve years of his life. He was stone sober and
we got along better. But that bothered me when I
was young, obviously, and so that was part of it.
And then I also spend a lot of time tending
bar as a very young man, spending bar or tending

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bar and fishing in equal measure. It seemed like some
weeks in the spring and summer, but I saw so
many people do so many stupid things just because they
drank too much, that I didn't really want to be
involved in all that. So anyway, the long and the
short of it is, I can't honestly right now, I
can't remember the last time I had a drink. But

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in the right circumstances, in the right time, yeah, why not.
It's not a big deal. So anyway, those are just
the two categories are really shy away from things that
are inappropriate for a family audience. That's the broader way
to look at it. And again, not any big deal
if you want to have a margarita or a boy man.
When I was at the paper and traveling to the

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Caribbean a lot, I couldn't wait to get on the ground,
go go to dinner and get my first kouba libra.
Those you got a favorite Melbourne or no, what's that cocktail?
Favorite cocktail? Yeah, cranberry juice all by itself, all bites.

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You know, that's kind drinking long, you know, that's kind
of where I am now too, and I didn't. I'm
not one hundred percent of quitter. And if if the
time is right and the mood is right and the
place is right, yeah I'll tip one with you. But
I just don't do it a lot for all the
reasons I was just talking about. It's just I don't know.
It's just not me anymore. And if it's you, that's fine.
I'm not gonna bother you. You're not out driving drunk,

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that's fine. Anyway, we're way off track here, and we've
got a lot to talk about. I've got three scheduled
interviews this morning, and I may replay. I will replay
either today or tomorrow an interview I had with a
woman from the American Bird Conservancy talking about Galveston Island
and what a great birding destination that is and a

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recognition that the island got for its attention to all
those birds. I see, we've got that taken care of,
that taking care of somewhere in the nine o'clock hour.
By the way, I will eventually get to the waste
management Phoenix open and who's doing what out there, and
I will get to there was something else I wanted

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to talk about oh yet. Well, at nine o'clock straight up,
when we usually would look at that leaderboard, I'm going
to be talking to Chester Moore from from Texas Fishing
Game magazine about some research he's been doing on great
white sharks in the Gulf of Mexico. Now, they're not
they're not pro prowling the first gut at dawn every

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day there, but there have been there. There have been
increasing numbers of and frequency of sightings of great white
in the gulf. Can't tell you why, maybe Chester can.
In the middle of all that, I'm going to interview
Don Martindale, the guy who produces the Fishing Show which
is coming up next week. We'll talk about what he's

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got coming our way in the way of new fishing
and boating gear. And then at eight o'clock, just one
or less than an hour from now, at this point,
I'm going to talk to a guy named Jess Hewitt.
And probably maybe one out of fifty of you have
heard his name even, but Jess is the guy who

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a good twenty to twenty five years ago, may have
even been thirty years ago. Now I might ask him.
He developed a fuel that was it was primarily for
cars and boats that raced for racing engines, zero ethanol,
none of that stuff to gum up engines and whatnot.

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And I actually went to where he made it originally.
I'm not sure where they're manufacturing now, or distilling or
refining or whatever the term would be. It's probably somewhere
out there close to where he was. He was on
the way out on the west side of town, kind
of in the a Leaf area, and he had a
very small little shop there where you could go in

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and buy I think it was one and three or
maybe one in five gallon containers of this stuff. Because
a lot of people also were using it for lawnmowers
and gas powered weed eaters and blowers and all that stuff,
little lawn tractors, all of these things that don't do
well with ethanol laced fuels. And he has been pushing

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and pushing to get this stuff distributed more and more
and even into pumps at some gas stations in there.
I think there are a couple around here that offer
his fuel for boaters, because that's something else you don't
want running through a lot of the boat enginec these days.
So anyway, we'll talk to just and see what's going on.
He's actually down in Miami at my Miami Boat Show,

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and he said, hey, man, if you want to come down,
let me know. And I was so tempted. I was
so tempted to tell Melvin to pack a bag, we're
going to Miami. But I couldn't get him to charter
as a jet. So I tried, Melvin, I really did,
no fooling. I tried, Oh yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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we'll we'll be out of here in the morning and
we'll be down there and we'll do the show live
from Miami. That wouldn't have hurt my feelings at all.
Holy I might have had a cocktail for that. I
might have all right seven one three two one two
five seven nine to email me Doug Pike at iHeartMedia
dot com. Uh, this first hour in in honor of no,

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not in honor of in in recognition of these clouds
lately that had been so fat they just can't get
off the ground aka fog. I'm going to solicit some
of your lost in the Fog stories. I've got mine,
I guarantee it. I'll tell as many as I have

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to to get through this first segment, and maybe even
the second and It's about an even split for me
from between fishing and hunting stories out of the fog
and then just others. There are all these others. Oh yeah,
I have one from middle school in Louisiana that I
might get to hold on la fog. I'll just do that.

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That's La Louisiana, not La Los Angeles. The only two
times I've been to Los Angeles two well, actually three,
but it's always been pretty weather, which is mostly what
they have this morning. By the way, if I have to,
I'll get out my safety sam hat and talk about
being careful in the fog, because, especially now, when there

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are boats that'll do one hundred miles an hour, little
tiny bay boats running in water so shallow that they're
gonna be wade fishermen in there, and you mix that
with fog. Something doing one hundred miles an hour in
the fog and you standing there with a fishing ride
in your hand and no other way to signal somebody,

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there's potential for real problems. And I would hope that
most of the people who drive those boats know to
slow them down in the fog. But I've already heard
far too many horror stories about guys waiting a shoreline
and having a boat in dense, dense fog run by

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so close that they practically probably could have cast into
that boat and this boat doing sixty eighty miles an hour.
You can you can navigate the water way with GPS.
You can know you're in the in the edge of
the channel, at least with GPS. But if you straight

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from that channel, well, even if you're in the channel,
you may hit a I've already got Sam's hat on,
don't Melvin. I'm already safety related. That didn't take long.
I just I just care enough about everybody out there
to make sure that anybody at least in this audience
who's listening, just remembers it's and these are just reminders.
I'm not trying to get anybody to go study a

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course in meteorology and learn why it's foggy and how
it's gonna go away and when it's gonna go away.
But just slow down, and if you're if you're actually
out there wadefishing in the fog, I don't know what
would be the best the best last ditch option. Maybe
a strobe light and just something you can hang around
your neck or put on your cap, A legitimate strobe,

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a pretty powerful strobe. I've got a flashlight at the house.
I guarantee if I turned it on and you were
coming at me in the fog, you'd you'd see that
light long before you'd see me, and maybe you'd go
around me. Hopefully you would. Seven one three two one
two five seven nine. Email on me, Doug pick At,
iHeart meat. This morning really wasn't but just kind of
a I don't know. It was a little bit foggy

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out in my little corner of sugar land, but it
had potential to get worse before it got better, and
it may have by now. I live in a kind
of a slightly low area, if you will, and if
there's any moisture at all in the air, it's gonna
be on my windshield. And it was this morning. And
I don't get out of that little swale for about
a mile. I have to run the intermittent wipers. And

(10:29):
I rolled down the two front windows and then roll
them back up, and that kind of squeegees the water
off of them. But that rear window takes a little while. Sometimes.
It was a couple of days ago. I think it
was that I didn't really get all the moisture off
my windshield until I was up on fifty nine and
that's that's a pretty good ways away from the house.

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It's not bad though, get arounded. Favorite saltwater fog story
for me has to be that epic trout trip that
Cliff Web and I shared it so long long ago,
back when we had We had a lot of hair
and no arthritis back then, no wrinkles either, man not.
It was we couldn't see. Literally, it was an afternoon trip.

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He had made a morning trip down there with us.
I think it was a doctor who and they did
pretty darned well also. But we got back into that
place after having to navigate the ditch out of Corpus
Christie for quite some time and at quite a slow speed.
Just the earliest earliest days of GPS. It still wasn't

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something everybody just trusted outright. So we took our time,
got down into Baffing and went to fishing. And it
was so so foggy you couldn't see the lure hit
the water. Half the time you could. We could cast
farther than we could see, and it was just amazing.
You'd hear the strike and this is back in monophilament days.

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You hear the strike and then you didn't feel it
in the rod for close to a full set, and
then then it was on. You know, we didn't care.
We didn't care. We were catching monster trout almost every
cast on top waters and there, and there were no
other boats that The only boat we actually physically saw
or heard was and we just barely saw it out
at the end of our visibility. When the when the

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clouds had lifted just a little bit, they would come
and go. It was either kind of drizzling or foggy.
And this was in late January, so it was all
so cold. And there was some crabber out there running
his traps and he passed by about a half a
mile away while the fog was up, and then it
dropped back down again. But it was just awesome. I

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would have fished with a bag on top of my
head if I had to down there. I didn't care.
I would have closed my eyes and kept fishing. It
was just that. That's fun to reminisce about that one.
Let me tell you, all right, we're at first break.
I'll take it on time.

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Speaker 3 (13:01):
Back to the Doug Bike Show.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Good morning, How old is that song? Melvin? Let's just
say we went deep and you man, you went deep?

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Lee Woodrow Wilson's tap of his foot, Oh yeah, you sure?
Maybe that's a hen. All right, let me go find
Rick here, Rick, what's up man?

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
I was gonna share with you yesterday did a little
hunt trip yesterday morning.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
And there's a guy been, he's been. He's a big
waterfowl guy. Yeah, and he's been bugging me and bugging
me and bugging me. Take him crow hunting because I'm
always talking about crow hunting. Okay, So I told him,
I said, hey, let's go in the morning, which was
yesterday morning. But I don't have long and I said, I'm, I'm,
I'm I'm gonna put I'm gonna put you on them,

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so you know we're gonna do it. So I said,
they're gonna fly about six twenty five, no other than
six thirty. I can I can start calling them. And
uh So, anyway, we get in position. We'reund a wooded area.
Perfect proceeds in time. Because there's no leaves on the trees,
you can see a little bit, and I'm talking to
big trees. And so you're a waterfowl guy, and you

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you've got a flock of ducks coming in, and once
you shoot the first time, the ninety ninety nine percent
of the rest of them are gonna flare off right.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
They're gonna go up back into that fog, just like airplanes,
like fighter jets.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
Here's the here's the here's the challenge with the crow.
They don't come in in pretty large groups. Yeah, but
they're gonna send a scalp bird then first.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh wow, So you have got to.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
Convince for lack of time here, you have to convince
that scalp bird that this is I'm a little git,
it's all good, and I have a problem over here.
Come on down and convince convince him to get them
over You got to agitate him a little bit. Anyway,
I had him coming and his name is Ronnie.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
I hope he's listening.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
The crow.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
I'm just kidding, Okay, I'm behind the tree because I
know he's you can you can even pull the pug
on a shotgun. They're not a game down for you.
Even put my chilfe and I got behind a tree.
Make sure he did to swing on me, he could
hit me, and he volleted off. Five man man man man,

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and he looked around at me. I looked looked at him,
and you know what I've told him?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
What's that?

Speaker 6 (15:49):
I said, Ronnie, that's probably the best five misses I've
ever seen. I mean, I had I had them down
a low end, them trees, buddy, and say it's coming
after me. But here's a question for anybody listening. And
I'm not on internet, guy, I don't look up nothing.

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Ronnie and I was talking afterwards, and he says, what
is their natural enemy? I said, they who have one
good point. I sit here and watch hawks chase pigeons,
doves and everything. Crows are flying, crows fighting. People want
to go after a croat.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, crows don't run.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
I think I know why.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Huh, crows don't run.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Crows will fight.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, that's what I just said, man, Absolutely they will.
They were pitching a fifth the other day at my house.
There were probably thirty of them in a tree two
houses down and I could barely hear myself talk. And
what are they making that noise for it? I walked
out the back door and there's this hawk just kind
of going back and forth in front of their tree,
and they're like, no, you're not coming in here, dude,
you gotta fight us all.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
If you're gonna fight, well they I can tell you this,
they can buy hard because and I've had them grab
a hold of my snake but before wildered ones, good lord,
and it's kind of hard to kick them off.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
That's impress anyway.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
No, that's that's crow season time, folks.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yes, you know what it reminds me of where they're
kind of having a scout and doing all that. Those
danged cormorants. That's how they work now. Yeah, look at Melvin.
Melvin's flipping out. He said, men, didn't take you long
to get the cormorants, did it? But that's that's what
they do. They see all these little bait fish in
the pond, they know they can't eat them all, so
they go check in with about three hundred of their

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friends and come back. But anyway, that story for another time. Yeah,
those cool a.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
Me, aren't they One last little turn here? Believe it
or not, that scout bird will come in and if
he's if he's a little worri and a little suspicious
of what he's coming to He will fly one hundred
and eighty degrees around and find the sun. And I'm

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telling you, he'll come in from the sun where you can't.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Sing, uh huh, and he'll either flare off and go
away and are he he made jump around and all
studden you've.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Got to fock up and coming in. And they're ready
to get after whatever. Sure they're gonna get after so.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Croser smart birds, there's no question about it. I don't
doubt any of that about them.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Go on go on YouTube and see Google grows doing
funny things. They are, they can they they're very very
intelligent bird.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Oh, no doubt, no doubt. Man, it's great to hear
from you. Yes, sir, be safe out there my audios. Yeah,
Rick Man, that's he's he is. He has the same
affection for crows that I do for cormorants, only I
can't hunt the cormorants, unfortunately, but I would. I would

(19:06):
spend my last nickel on the last twenty two cartridge.
It took me rim fire cartridge to get rid of
the cormorants at that place where I used to like
to fish. I went over there yesterday and did some
I fished for about probably forty forty five minutes, and

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I was moving. I'd sticking, move, stick and move at
some of the most familiar places on that property where
I've caught bass before, and the cormorants, by the way,
virtually none, which I mean there's about a half a
dozen in the same place. I could take you to
them anytime you want to see them, but there aren't

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the hundreds that were there about three four weeks ago
because they wiped out all the shad again. And when
they've gotten to that point and wiped out the shad,
they will wipe out the little bass. And I spent
a good forty five minutes yesterday doing what I used
to always do and what would produce. Oh, in that

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same time I would have probably caught two three years ago,
I would have caught it at least fifteen, maybe eighteen
bass I caught yesterday for catfish on a spinner bait,
for catfish on a spinner bait, and that was it.
Did not get one single hit from anything that even
resembled a large mouth bass. It was terrible, absolutely terrible.

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The Louisiana folk story I was thinking about actually in
recollection in hindsight in middle school. It was a football
game we were going to, and the whole highway had
to be shut down because the wind that had been
expected by the people who were doing a controlled burn

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of sugarcane fields, the wind didn't come around, so all
of that thick, thick, thick, thick smoke had just settled
onto the highway and we were not allowed to get
off the buses. That the whole highway. The whole road
was shut down, and there were cars backed up for
who knows how far in all directions, and we just

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sat there and sat there, and I finally couldn't stand it.
The curiosity in me got the better of me, and
I just insisted that if I didn't get up and
go to the bathroom outside that bus, I wasn't gonna
make it to the next stop or when we were
back to the school or whatever. And they let me
get off the bus. They just said, do not go
past where you can see the lights. And I got

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off the bus. I walked around to the back. I
didn't really have to go, I just wanted to see
how smoky it was. And I stood at the back
of the bus and the lights are on. I took
ten steps back from the bus and turned around and
couldn't see the lights of the bus. If I couldn't hear,
if they'd have shut that bus off and gone and

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everybody had been quiet, then I might have still been
walking around South Louisiana. It was that thick and smoking.
Hardly breathe just couldn't hardly breathe. I had to get
back on the bus just to get some decent air
into my lungs. But it was it was impressive. You
couldn't see uh. Once I got away from that bus.
I could barely see my hand in front of my

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face at arm's length. That was that thick crazy seven
one three two one two five seven ninety Email on
me Dougpike at iHeartMedia dot com. I've had full fog
roll in during wade fishing trips too, and most of
us have and we can remember them finally because nothing happened,
nothing bad happened anyway. But it is a little eerie,

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a little spooky when you you just get out there
and you've got zero reference to the ground. You can't
see the shoreline anymore. You've taken three steps too many,
and then you you got got a strong strike and
you turned a little bit to fight the fish, and
you finish fighting that fish, and you kind of look
up and look around, and you've waited a few steps

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out farther and you can't see the shoreline, and you
can't see your buddies, and you don't know where you are.
It's road funny. One time we got something into a
situation like that, Me and two other guys and we're
just waiting along and we literally kind of spread out
along the shoreline and kept our eye contact on the shoreline,

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and then the fall got a little thicker and we
lost the shoreline and it was like, Hey, where are you? Hey,
where are you? And then one guy goes Marco. We
all knew what that meant. My other buddy goes Polo.
It was good get a little chuckle out of that stuff.

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Fishing trips are made for fun, and anytime you can
poke fun at a friend. Some of my best fishing trips.
I scratched that all of my best fishing trips involve
good clothes fishing friends, or at least the beginnings of good,
strong fishing friendships with people who can laugh about mistakes

(24:13):
in fishing. If you're not if you're not able to laugh,
at yourself as a fisherman, and man, go take up
pickleball or something, because the best fishermen you fish with
will poke and prod and make fun of you and
tease you, but only because they're trying to make you better.
That'll make you a better fisherman, it will. If they're

(24:33):
teasing you about getting a lot of backlashes, you're going
to learn how to cast without making backlashes. If they're
teasing you about setting the hook too early when it's
a really soft bite and the fish don't really want
to hang on to it yet, then you're going to
learn to get better. I don't mind at all. Man.
Joe Dogget and I were the two most competitive guys

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ever when we were fishing a lot together, and we
fished all over the carab we fished all over Mexico
a certainly all up through here, and every time we
got in a boat together from the from the moment
we stepped into that boat or stepped onto the shoreline
of a lake or whatever it was on and we

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were counting. We might not be counting out loud on
who who had the most fish, but if one of
us asked the other, we both knew exactly what the
score was, and we had a blast and I think
we were better fishermen for that. Oh gosh, Holy cow,
we're right at the bottom of the hour. Man, Oh man,
this is this hour's going fast. That boy, that eight

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and nine they're gonna rip through pretty good too, all
those interviews, and then I've got a story here I
want to get to about some illegal white tailed deer smuggling.
That's not the kind of thing you can just you
can stuff into your coat and run out the store
with a live white tailed deer.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
This is Sports Talk seven ninety the Houston sports Fan
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Speaker 3 (26:02):
Contact back to the Doug Fike Show.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Seven thirty seven on Sports SAFT seven to ninety. Man,
you're having to blow the dust off a lot of
a lot of album covers to get to these, Holy cow,
mercy sake. Let's before I go to anything else. I
like to catch phone calls first. I'm gonna start with Kevin.
See what's up, Kevin? What's going on?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Man?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Hey, how you doing this morning? It looks like the
technology's working in here too.

Speaker 8 (26:28):
This is great, Yes, sir, Yeah, I'm looking forward to
hearing Chester in that interview about the Great Whites.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, he's been. He's been digging pretty deep into it.
He when he latches onto something, he does a lot
of research, So I am too. Yeah, I really want
to know what he's finding.

Speaker 8 (26:45):
I've been fortunate enough to be at several of his seminars.
He has a deal he used to put on called
flat Fish University.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
I've been to it twice, and I've heard him speak
on different subjects at the Fishing Show, and I follow
him on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
He's a great guy.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
Sure does a lot of good for the community with
the children's ministry and everything. Hey, what a mainly reason
to call to you about was the Mama's jelly? Yeah,
that I got from River Provisions, the pepper jelly.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I used some of it.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
I sent you an email I took and pan seared
some acky tuna. Oh my god, aready that had the
pepper jelly smeared on both.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Sides of it? I gotta.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
I got a concoction that I'm making a cast iron
skillet with garlic and red onion and butter and oh man,
a few other magic ingredients. And I get that to
a rolling bowl and then I dropped the filats on
for about a minute on each side to where they're.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Still pink in the middle. Oh, man, it was all
I've had to eat so far. Kevin is a banana,
so this ain't helping me at all. Man, Holy, I'm sorry.
That's all right. No, no, no, I'm fine. I'm good
by that. That's okay. I'll just keep thinking about it
till I'll find something to eat. No, that's problem. Right,
We'll go go look at the pictures in that email.
That'll make even hungry. Oh my god. All right, well, yeah,

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thanks for checking in with that. How you like those jellies?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Man?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Love it? That's great.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
Yeah, that's my buddy Brassis River Provisions. Yes, sir, all right, man,
thank you very much for the gift back. Absolutely, I
will Kevin, thanks for the call this morning. Man, all right,
all right, let me.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Go there and go to here. Hey, folk pro, what's up, buddy?

Speaker 9 (28:33):
Man?

Speaker 10 (28:33):
I am I'm pretty tired. I'm in the relaxed mode
this morning.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
A lot of driving lately, haven't you, Yes, sir, we
won't try to get up a day loud to get
to do it today.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
After about five, after about eleven and a half hours
of it, yesterday, I said, you know what I will,
I'll call you what our way to come.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (28:54):
We went to my little I don't know if you
see my post shit, but went to my little favorite
gated lake up.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
There Niche, Texas, and I know how to go well.

Speaker 10 (29:03):
Our personal best last late last summer on schooling fish
was sixty three bass up to had one online.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's like the old fake County days man for me, boy,
I can relate to that. That's so fun too exactly.

Speaker 10 (29:17):
But what I was in press was yesterday, especially after
seeing that Conroe you know that confer Livesco tournament.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
We went out yesterday.

Speaker 10 (29:24):
I turned off my debt finder when I first got
there to check the water temperature, put the cover back
on it, picked up an old Smithwick rogue, Yeah, buddy
Cinco o Cinco and a and a spinner bait and
a hybrid hunter and uh we went to work. At
the end of the day we had sixty two.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Never turned over that truffle, good grief. We pulled into
one bay and.

Speaker 10 (29:49):
Put spot lock on the troll motor and we caught
twenty baths and it was just that first wave you know.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
That moves up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we sat there. It
was like it was like every cast with the road
because stupid. Wow.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Oh you're up to fish probably best fish, crowded.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Four All right, man, those are good, Yeah, those are good,
solid fun fish. It's not like you got a bunch
of eight ten inches in there, you know exactly. We
told off short ones with Carolina Riggs. Try to catch
a bigger fish. We both looked at each other. There's
four thousand bass up there. Why don't leave. I want
to get I want to get. I want to get big.
I don't care about size the da Yeah, just having fun.

(30:28):
That's a fun day. You know, Let's just see how
many we can rack up.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
I got.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I gotta get you over because it's only gonna get better.
So we need Yeah, I need to set aside a
time where I don't have to worry about being back.
You know. I'm just gonna have to take a vacation
day and go knock that out with you.

Speaker 10 (30:44):
Oh, I can take a vacation down on Monday. We'll
figure it out any times.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Okay, Yeah, same here, man, I left nine or ten
days on the table. This year, I'm not doing that
or last year. I'm not doing that. This year yes, sir,
quick fo, I gotta quick for you. Let's go.

Speaker 10 (31:00):
So now we've always hunted with some buddies down in
mtic Order for years, duck hutting, and we always went
out in his McKee craft, a GPS and all that stuff.
I didn't have nobody to take me down there, so
we put my my brain child self put my bass
boat in Chikapan. I don't know if you know where
Chickpan's at. So we put our bass boat in Chickapin. Yeah,
right out to the inner coastal and I'm just looking

(31:22):
at GPS. I told my buddy sitting next to me
to look for boats because it's real foggy.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, buddy, So we're gon, we're gonna run GPS.

Speaker 10 (31:28):
So we come out of chiin Copan into the inner
coastal and I see a light to my left, so
I'm going to go around to the right to run
around this light that I looked to the right and
there's another light and it was a barge. And I
turned that boat in ninety degrees left and laid it
down and I pushed myself off that barge. Oohoo, that
was all. I don't know what my glass would do

(31:50):
hitt and steal point blank. It wouldn't have been funny
you talk about changing your waiters.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, buddy, oh my word, folk bro all right, partner,
holy cat, buddy.

Speaker 10 (32:02):
Yeah, we'll get you up, Baryba, We'll figure something out.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
We'll talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll stay in touch and
you do the same and kind of let's let's talk
this week and figure out today. Sounds good Man Banks, Yeah, audios,
all right, we got lee, Holy cow, where is this
hour going? All right, guitar day, hang on, you are next.
I gotta go to this break.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
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Speaker 2 (32:29):
We'll get that information to them. This is The Doug
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The Doug Pike Show. Thanks for listening. Certainly, do appreciate it.
I hope you're paying attention to all these rejoints, Melvin's
jams and jellies. Toward the end of the show around
nine thirty nine forty five, somewhere in there, somebody, somebody's
gonna win one of these delicious gift baskets from Brass

(32:52):
River Provisions. Anybody who listens, Rick bikes. Actually to his credit,
because he's a pretty much a regular here. He emailed
me last week said, hey, man, can I win that? Sure?
If you can call him be the one Melvin picks
up on, you can do that.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's not a problem at all. So can'd get to
our day? Who was right here right now? What's up dated?

Speaker 11 (33:15):
Hey? Yeah, you remember when I wont that pizza card
from right and the temperature game? Actually I lost, but
you were gracious. Well, yes, it was a trial run.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm not going to beat anybody up just because they
don't know what the temperature is in Amarillo. Who cares?

Speaker 11 (33:30):
No, I'm down here to eight thirty boat lines. But
I got to get back to the house old here
because we're doing finally, we're celebrating Christmas with our son
and his girlfriend. But we got to hit about an
hour and a half from here up towards Austin. We're
going to meet at a restaurant or something, hang out
and see how they're doing. But man, it's beautiful out here,

(33:51):
and it's a lot of boats out here. There was
a lot of boats out here last night.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know, you know it's warm, it's warm in February
and everybody's trying to it outside. Great.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
Yeah, and you remember, I know I heard you say
one time, you're a big fan of the old cartoons,
me and myself. Wasn't there that one with the two
crows heckling jackal?

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Man, yeah, that's great they were.

Speaker 11 (34:16):
Yeah, there's the old clutch cargo we got, the mouths
are moving and yeah, and them guys do some good animation.
But now I was thinking, yeah, that's what I was
going to call. I was calling you to talk to
you about because I just didn't have my glasses on
watching the news when it was on the news about
those guys poked you. But I seem like a picture
of the back of their truck where they had a

(34:37):
bunch of guns over there. And did you get the
old scoop on that yet?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, the illegal white tailed deer smuggling, Yes, I've got
it in front of me as a matter of fact.
And I fact that's what I was going to talk about.
I'll read, I'll read a little bit of this and
you just jump in if you want to it says.
The South Texas deer breeder and his business partner were
caught attempting to smuggle seven deer from a license deer
bread facility in East Texas through Montgomery County to Brazoria

(35:04):
and Duval Counties, where they intended to illegally release the
deer into the wild on private property. Case unfolded. One
of Montgomery County warden conducted a traffic stop and discovered
the illegally possessed deer being transported without required documentation or identification.
It goes on and on and on. Here's here's why

(35:25):
that's such a serious thing. It sounds like all these
guys were transported some deer. So they get a ticket
for that and they get fined. And here's reading straight
from the release again. Dave the deer breeder faced forty
one total charges. Forty one total charges. He pleaded guilty
to three penal code violations in twenty nine deer breeder violations.

(35:50):
His business partner was charged with two penal code violations
in twenty eight deer breeder violations, of which he was convicted.
These guys, there's a lot going on in these things,
and there's so many little subtleties to the laws about
moving deer around this state because of chronic wasting disease,
because of all kinds of different problems they can call it. Yeah, yeah,

(36:13):
and that's that's why they got hammered that way.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
That's big time.

Speaker 11 (36:17):
And then I remember years ago, man, twenty five years ago,
two guys were out here on Lake Conrod, and they
thought they were kitching white bass and they caught twenty
five apiece stripers. Oh lord, yeah, that's not right either,
that does that's not good.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
You start racking stuff up, and the beauty of this
state in so many states now, and I'm one hundred
percent in favor of this. I love it. If you
get caught red handed and you get let's say, you've
got too many catfish or too many white bass, or
too many stripers or whatever, hybrids, anything, saltwater, fresh water, deer, ducks, geese, whatever.

(36:54):
Even if you somehow managed to wiggle out of the
criminal act of having in possession too many of those animals,
you are still civilly liable to the State of Texas
and all of its citizens. That's me, you, Martin, Melvin,
everybody else.

Speaker 11 (37:11):
Yeah, for the.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Value of those animals. Yep, civil restitutions what it's called
in every animal in the state has got a value
placed on its head. If you a ten point deer
is worth more than an eight point buck, a buck
is worth more than a dough. A thirty inch trout's
worth way more than a twelve inch trout. They've got
a sliding scale for all of these things as to

(37:35):
their potential to put smiles on people's faces. Basically, and
you shoot the real animal, it's gonna cost you a
lot of money.

Speaker 11 (37:43):
Then there was another time that I saw on the
news some dudes over there loading up back with a
bit of a truck with red fish man. Good lord,
that's caught them on Sea Wall Boulevard. They pulled them over, yep.
And then when one of the hurricanes came through. Uh,
there was these two boys over there and they're uh

(38:04):
standing at a chain like five foot on foot high
chain leak fence and they're fishing over the fence, and uh,
the news report comes up there with the camera and everything,
and right behind him it says no fishing. Yeah, and
they're fishing during the hurricane. Now what kind of.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Sims Well, yeah, the same same guy fishing hurricane. The
guy fish right in front of no fishing sign.

Speaker 11 (38:29):
So I hear you much. I appreciate it. And hey,
I'm probably gonna uh, let's see, Yeah, we'll be back
this afternoon, and then I gotta go.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
H I gotta go back do.

Speaker 11 (38:40):
Some work in the morning. But then I got I'm
going back to the doctor to let her looked at
my knuckle where I got bit by a craft. She
was laughing so hard at me there, How did you
get bit by a blue crab?

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Don't the tiger man?

Speaker 11 (38:54):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (38:55):
She uh, yeah, it's it's uh.

Speaker 11 (38:58):
She gave me a bunch of infection edicone and some
antibiotic wanting to put on there, and it's it's it's
cleared up, but it's not. It's still a little puffy.
Take an history and see if there's something stuck in there.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Little crab claws are pretty strong, man, they really are.
That's all the muscle inside the shell.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
You realize that, right, Yeah, what do they say?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
What are they?

Speaker 11 (39:19):
What do they say about the snapping turtles, grabs and snakes?
They don't let go to the thunders. Grandpa and Graymall.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Used to tell us that, you know, that's hilarious.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
Okay, all right, letos.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
All right, let me click that down there. Thank you
Melvin for the assist on that. Since I had the
wrong mouse in my hand. It doesn't matter anymore. You've
got me covered once again.

Speaker 9 (39:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
By the way, I mentioned early in the program, And
I'll catch this in one minute, Melvin.

Speaker 11 (39:51):
Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I'm not gonna go deep on this. Yesterday, when I
tried to go catch a bass, just to see if
there were any left anywhere in those lakes, it's warm,
it was over cast. If ever there was a time
to go catch one of those bass, if they still exist,
it was gonna be yesterday afternoon. And I was walking
this one shoreline and I put a picture up on

(40:12):
Facebook this morning. I'm walking this shoreline and I'm just
kind of daydreaming, and I'm watching, just watching the lake
and been there were a bunch of ducks. There were
a bunch of little blue bills on the lake. There
was one redheat out there with them. And there usually
are some widgeons with these ducks that hang out around there,
but I didn't see any of them. But anyway, I'm
not really paying attention. I'm not really paying attention like

(40:35):
I should have been. And I almost had the same
situation when I almost stepped on a cotton mouth, only
this time I came about, and it wasn't It wasn't
like the thing could have gotten me easily. But I
walked up within maybe ten twelve feet anyway of about
eight foot of sleeping alligator just look down. I went,

(41:00):
oh hello, and I just just very quietly I realized, Okay,
shut up, Doug, or youre gonna wake this thing up.
He was just sonning himself, just chilling on the bank.
Didn't move, so I backed away, and then I went
and got my phone out of the golf cart, and
I rolled around in the cart and got up close

(41:20):
to him and got the photo that I got and
the one I put on Facebook, and he still didn't move.
He like, you know, if I have to, I'll eat you,
but I'd prefer that you just leave me alone. But
probably in his mind he might have had one eye
half open, but he looked like he was sleeping. And
I wasn't gonna go pokemon the nose to find out.

(41:41):
I don't mind slapping one on the tail because usually
they'll accelerate out of there, but I this one, I'd
have had a tap on the nose. And I'm not
that brave, and I'm a lot smarter than that too.
On the way out to this break.

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Speaker 2 (42:07):
Now Here's Doug Pike.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Ahi.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Second hour of the program starts right now. Welcome back
Doug Pike Show. On this I have no idea what
the conditions are outside. I've gotten a couple of reports
from people say there's some fog where they are, a
couple of them say there's not any fog where they are.
And so wherever you are, whether it's foggy or not,
thanks for listening. We are going to talk in this
segment to a man or with a man I've known

(42:32):
for at least for the better part of twenty five years,
it might be thirty, and he's pretty much been on
that same mission the entire time. And that man would
be Jess Hewitt, and he is the man who started
hyper Fuels, which offers ethanol free fuel that improves and
protects engines that just don't get along with corn. Welcome back, Jess.

(42:53):
How you been man?

Speaker 12 (42:55):
Is this the famous Dug Pike I'm speaking No, this is.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
The other one. Okay, great, what's going on? You're still
down in Miami.

Speaker 12 (43:04):
I'm not in Miami yet. I'll be there Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Oh okay, okay, and then all week.

Speaker 12 (43:08):
Huh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Good for you. I'm somewhat jealous. I do like it
down there. I'd prefer a little bit north of there,
just from my fishing stuff. But that big boat show
is a hard thing to miss if you're there, And
that's one of those things. It's kind of like, I
don't know, it's bigger than any boat show that I
know of. Would you agree?

Speaker 12 (43:28):
How many boat shows? How many boat shows you have
to attend by riding a bus from stop to stop.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
It's a very good point. Yeah, that's a very good point.
So let's go back to the beginning of hyper fuels.
Enough with their boats. Who cares about that? And when
I came out there to see you had two little
jars out underneath the tree in the sunshine, and you
have that.

Speaker 12 (43:48):
Boy, that was a long time demonstration many times.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, I'll bet you have. And what did it demonstrate?
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 12 (43:56):
Well, it demonstrated the hygroscopic nature of ethanol in our
gasoline and how it's constantly absorbing moisture and then I'm
making a fuel, taken out the ethanol and replacing it
with a different oxygen eight. That's what we call hydrophobic,
which resist moisture, resist water. It will not harm your engine.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, and that's kind of a big deal when you're
talking about very, very expensive internal combustion gency stays, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (44:24):
Some of these engines costs as much as a brand
new corvette, and these guys have three or four on
the back of their boats.

Speaker 11 (44:30):
They don't want to put a bad fuel in.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
There, certainly not. So explain where what your fuel does
in these engines and how effissient it is relative to ethanol,
gas or anything else, and then then we're going to
get into where we can find it.

Speaker 11 (44:47):
That sounds great.

Speaker 12 (44:48):
So we take the same gasoline that you buy with ethanol,
but instead of putting an ethanol, we put in our
hydrophobic oxygenates. We have two formulations right now which are
different than the ones that was using back in twenty sixteen.
We first put this out here in Texas. So these
new oxygenates do quite a few things. They're more powerful

(45:08):
than ethanol, So the first thing you're going to notice
is a better performance. They don't raise the vapor pressure gasoline,
which makes it blow off and you can see the
actual gasoline going.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Into the air.

Speaker 12 (45:21):
They lower the vapor pressure, so less evaporative emissions. Okay,
And number one thing and the best for everybody moisture,
resistance and stable. This is the fuel you can put
in your boat to store and you won't have to
worry about it.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, that's kind of nice. There's all these stabilizers out
there on the market. If you're running your fuels, you
don't need.

Speaker 12 (45:41):
Those be You don't need them unless you're going to
store them for more than three months. The worst part
is if you put ethanol in there. That hygroscopic nature
is going on twenty four to seven. It's always looking
for moisture and that's what creates the corrosive nature of
the fuel. Ethanol by itself is not corrosive. When it
absorbs once year creates acetic acid and that's what eats

(46:03):
through everything in the boy Amen.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I was just telling Melvin during the break, I had
a generator years ago that had to be put up
for a while and I didn't get back to it.
And the next time I started, and this thing was
it didn't have it didn't have three hours on it.
The next time I pulled the starter cord on it, Oh,
I just saw gasoline pouring out the bottom of it,
and I'm made a mistake, all right, Well, yeah, I

(46:26):
learned from that lesson. So anyway, so now fast forward
to now you've got this fuel. Where is it available?

Speaker 12 (46:33):
Well, you know, we first brought it out in Texas,
which was great. It's in all the BUCkies to at
least two dozen marinas here in Texas. Oh good, But
we had to make some changes at the EPA level
to be able to take it out to the rest
of the nation. I made those changes. We're getting it
out to the rest of the nation.

Speaker 11 (46:50):
And I'm very.

Speaker 12 (46:51):
Proud to say that right now with Texas and these
other states. We've got six states right now, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Tennessee, Kentucky.
And this month we're bringing it into New Jersey, New York, Connecticut,
and Maryland. We'll have ten states covered and there's no
stopping us.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Now, Holy megic, that is so so good news to
hear from you, because for the longest time, when you
and I would swap emails, you were just saying, man,
I'm just trying to get it into one more little
BUCkies or I'm trying to get it into one more
state or whatever, and suddenly you're you go, You've gone
big time, Jess. You this is awesome, man. I'm happy.

Speaker 12 (47:31):
Thanks for all your thanks for all your support, and
you said, Jess, tell me when it's at the point
where it's ready to be blown out there to the
rest of the nation. I'm telling you almost at that
point now standing Mike coverage in the East Coast. I mean,
we've had this feel since twenty sixteen, and I know
Texans have a choice of buy the ethanol or buy
the E free. E free is good for me. Massachusetts

(47:54):
has no ethanol free gas name. Connecticut no ethnol pregas linge.
If you want ethanol free there, you've got to by
a hardware store fuel for twenty dollars a gallon.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Buy it on the black market. But what speaking of
buying it, so, what's what's the cost of this relative
to the gas lines At the gas pumps.

Speaker 12 (48:11):
Our premium products sell for about a dollar more than
the ethanol ten percent product doesn't gap the dispenser, so
it's about a dollar more. We've seen this at Bucki's
now for six, seven, eight years, so we're used to
that price difference. There's a reason for it. These these
oxygenates are much more expensive than ethanol.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Sure. Yes, it's not easy to grow other oxygenates as
it is to grow corn, is it.

Speaker 12 (48:38):
Well, these are all from corn.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So oh so you're just you're just fine tuning the
corn to make it work without dragging water in. Huh.

Speaker 12 (48:48):
Well, we're turning our goal towards more sustainability. So that's
what I'm going to be doing in Miami Boat Show.
I'm going to be meeting with the Department of Energy
because they're trying to find what is the sustainable maritime fuel.
I'll be working with them to show them how we
consider our fuel to be more sustainable. It lowers the
overall CO two production by thirty percent, and it gives

(49:11):
you a better performance. Kick so you'll be converting an
entire boat fleet into lower carbon emission vehicles.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Well that's a boy, that's a buzzword around here. Huh
so what it is a buzzword?

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Holy cow. Now, in addition to great for boats, where
else does that fuel come into play and take care
of an engine? Better.

Speaker 12 (49:33):
Well, the surprising thing when we got BUCkies on the formulation,
we thought it would be all boats. But the surprising
part was all the older cars we saw coming in,
so you know, pre seventy six automobiles. They can't take
ethanol in there, no way, they have no way of
protecting that engine from that hygroscopic moisture absorption.

Speaker 11 (49:56):
The other one was the flour wheelers.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah, my good.

Speaker 12 (50:01):
We are about to take the fuel to California. Polaris
is opening a Polarious Razor camp in Glamys Sand Dunes
in California, and we're going to have our fuel right
there for that.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
How about that? Good for man. I'm so happy for you, Jess,
Holy cal you have worked so hard for this and
for so long, and every time it's been you know,
we're still kind of struggling. You sound more upbeat than
I've heard you ever, and I'm really thrilled for you, buddy.

Speaker 12 (50:31):
There's a reason for it, and I've got other things
to be announcing later on this month that are going
to be stupendous. But look, Doug, I could use your
help of your listeners. But they have a gas station
that they go to that they love but doesn't have
ethanol free fuel. Look for that gas station to me,
I'd like to talk to the owners and explain how
we can now supply a regular and a premium to
them so they can sell all ethanol free fuels and

(50:53):
they don't have to compete with the majors, which in
Texas don't even offer ethanol free fuel. So it's a
good way for these small guys to make more money.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
So if somebody wanted to go into the gas station
and say that, what do they say called jess ewittt
look him up?

Speaker 12 (51:07):
They say, well, you can have them go to our website,
which is Pure Fuels, and I spell pure without the
E because E free is good for me. Pure Fuels
come and then send us a note there and we'll
contact that station. If I hook up that station, I'm
gonna give you a free hat and a T shirt
says E free is good for me.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
That's awesome, p U R. If you e l s
dot com Purefuels dot right, jes you thank you about
the ELL so without the first D, it's got the
second D though, correct or not?

Speaker 12 (51:40):
That we still need the fuel, Yeah, yeah, we got to.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Have fuel, but we don't need the E and Pure. Yeah,
it's p U R If you e l S dot com.
And if they can't remember it, they can just email
me and I'll send it to them.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
How's that, hey, Doug, that's great.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, save travels of Miami.

Speaker 12 (51:58):
Man, I'll let you know what happens there.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I mean, if you see some fine cool boat that
you and I can go buy one of those ones
about what six five hundreds on the back or something.

Speaker 11 (52:07):
Like that, I'll try and find that one.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Okay, I'll see you later. Thanks, Jess, Thanks for audios. Man,
what a great guy. He has worked so hard, so
hard to make that work, and I'm thrilled for him,
I really am. I met him first. Gosh, it's been
twenty five thirty years ago, literally, and he was just
out in that little bitty shop out there making racing
fuel for dragsters and race boats and stuff. And now

(52:35):
he's he's got it in most of these Buckies' locations
and in bunch of states. And it's about time too.
It's a really good alternative. All right, We got to
take a break.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Ninety This is Sports Talk seven ninety Houston Sports Online
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Speaker 3 (52:49):
Seven ninety dot com. Back to the Doug Pike Show.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I couldn't get the red light to come on. I
got it now. Welcome back to Doug Pike Show on
Sports Talk seven ninety eight, twenty in the am. Hopefully
whatever fag was around here earlier. It was patchy this morning. Uh.
Some places had a lot, some places had a little,
some places had none. But most of that ought to
be lifted off by now, even though I can't see outside.

(53:15):
All right, Brandon, I promise to go to him first, David.
I'll be right to you. Brandon. What's up, buddy?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Good morning, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
How are you.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I'm doing okay?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
What's on your mind this morning? Buddy?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
We got and they're gonna get into couch getting delivery?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Excellent? Excellent? Who got to pick it out?

Speaker 4 (53:36):
I did it?

Speaker 12 (53:37):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Nice? Good for you. What do you think is gonna
happen in the Super Bowl tomorrow? You think so? You
think they can fight off the chiefs and the refs?
Do you think or not, Brandon, that Patrick Mahomes gets
gets a lot of special treatment or any special treatment?

Speaker 13 (54:00):
No?

Speaker 12 (54:01):
Do you remember what happened when they played us?

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I do sure.

Speaker 12 (54:05):
Single they called the foul and they called Stroud.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, there were there were some issues in that game,
every a lot of their games. Patrick mahoonmes I was
laughing on fifty plus this week, and I think I
even started talking about it maybe last week on this show,
about a new flag that the refs need to carry
for tomorrow. It'll be over. It can be some other
color than yellow. It might be red, might be purple,

(54:33):
might be whatever, probably red, since that's the Chiefs color anyway,
and the penalty will be for roughing the Patrick, and
I think that's about you know it, just no, that's.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
That's the challenge.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Frag Well, that's right. Yeah, we got to have a
different color. Then I can make it whatever color you want,
but it can't be red, Dick, because that is the
challenge flag. You're right, Hey, I got to catch up
with David here. We're going to talk about deer smuggling.
It sounds like so I got to go catch that one, Brandon. Okay,
I talked to you to month. Always a pleasure, my friend.

(55:09):
I'll see you, buddy. Audios. All right, let's get David
in here. Well, David, what's up man?

Speaker 12 (55:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (55:16):
Real quickly, First, so, Doug as you mentioned a pure
fuel earlier Uh, man, you're you're outdoor equipment, you're chainsaws.
Oh yeah, weed eaters and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
That's definitely good for that.

Speaker 14 (55:28):
What I called about, there was a I can find
you can probably find the link that there was a
bus game Wardens pulled a vhicle over come to find
out here in Montgomery County. Uh they were transporting live deer.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
This is the story was talking about.

Speaker 14 (55:46):
Okay, well I turned you on a little bit late,
that's anyway I thought that personally, I thought the fine
was a little light. Get there than money that's involved
in this.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I couldn't agree with you more. And I didn't. I
didn't really get to that part. These guys. They only
got a total of twelve thousand dollars in fines between
the two of them, and they were convicted of fifty
seven deer breeder violations. And I just don't see that,
as you know, the punishment being equal to the crime.

(56:19):
I think I would have had a lot more. I'd
have had a lot higher number in mind for that
blatant in that number of violations.

Speaker 14 (56:27):
Yeah, and probably a little jail time too.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, that wouldn't have hurt my feelings either. They had
fifty seven deer breeder violations, one alcohol and two dangerous
drug violations and find twelve thousand dollars. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (56:41):
Yeah, the other thing too, Doug. They did not, and
I wish they would. They did not identify the facility
where the deer came from. I think they should do
that too.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
You know, I didn't even I didn't. I didn't see
I didn't think about that, but I didn't see it
in here. It just says from a place up there
somewhere and going to take them to a place down
there somewhere. But that's about all they said. They were
going to release them in a high fence place somewhere. Yeah,
that'd be interesting to you because whoever whoever gave them

(57:12):
the deer and whoever was about to receive those deer
knew exactly what was going on. I wonder if there'll
be any charges against those guys.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 14 (57:20):
They should be charged, at least the one that provided
the deer. Absolutely anyway, Yeah, thank.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
You, thank you very much. I was glad to hear
from I'm good glad to hear from you, man. Yeah,
that that's a very good point he makes, And I
didn't even think about this until he mentioned that. But
since there's no mention, and you know what, what may
be what may be happening in that case is that
there are still some things pending with this. They charged

(57:53):
the people who were transporting them, and it was just
fate that those guys got caught. They were pulled over
on a traffic stop, probably speeding or I have no idea,
I may have tail light out. I don't know, but
whatever it was that triggered the traffic stop, and that

(58:13):
traffic stop triggered the discovery of live deer, and that
shouldn't have that were not properly documented, not properly id
none of that stuff, and it just led to this
litany of charges against these guys. It doesn't say their
names in here either, and I don't really I don't

(58:35):
mind that. I don't mind that at all, but it's
still it's still very disturbing that that's all the information
we get on that. Any I'm reading back again. I'm
gonna read from the Parks and Wildlife Departments on release
on this, it says, anytime a white tail deer leaves
a breeding facility, it must be uniquely and permanently identified,

(58:58):
no matter its age breeder Deer that have not been
properly identified, or have had their identification hidden or illegally
changed or removed are commonly referred to as ghost deer.
Can I can see why they're called that. And there's
a quote here from Colonel Ronald vander Roast from TPWD sogrant.

(59:21):
This is the quote, flagrant violations such as intentionally transferring
deer without identifiers hinders Texas's ability to identify the source
of a deer in the event of a disease detection
end quote that that's what we're trying to guard against
is having some deer from somewhere turn up CWD positive

(59:46):
and then not knowing where that deer came from. The
chronic wasting disease is occurring in deer around Texas, and
it has for many years now. But if you can't
figure out where that deer came from, then you have
no way to trace it back to a potential route
that you can take out. There have been thousands of

(01:00:07):
deer that euthanized in Texas because of chronic wasting disease,
and because that there's really no way to stop it.
The outward symptoms don't show up for a long long
time in these deer and the only way to test.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I don't want to get into the weeds on all
this because I could sit here and talk for a
long time on it, and I don't want to do
that right now. But the bottom line is these guys,
I think were they had some slick help in negotiating
that plea and coming down to twelve grand. But who
has six grand apiece for fifty seven conviction on fifty

(01:00:49):
seven deer breeder violations and then the alcohol thing that
gets basically thrown away. They pleaded guilty of that, probably
having a beer as they drove down the highway, and
then two dangerous drug violations. It doesn't say whether that
was dangerous to people or dangerous to animals. Yeah, I
think they they got away basically scott free. That might

(01:01:13):
be kind of like in the days of shrimpers having
major violation problems every time game wardens got on some
of their boats. There was a group of shrimpers, a
formerly very large group of shrimpers in our base systems
that had kind of a slush fund that everybody contributed to,
so that when they did get caught and they did

(01:01:34):
get fined, they didn't have to come out of pocket.
They were basically paying fine insurance amongst themselves, so they
could just go buy new nets, or go buy new whatever,
go buy a new boat. I guess if they had
to to stay in business, that was a long time ago.
I'm glad those times had passed. Speaking of time passing,

(01:01:56):
here we are at at eight thirty already, Holy cow,
we are Sports Talk seven ninety.

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forty somewhere in there, Melvyn? Sound pretty good? Yeah, sounds
pretty good. All right. In this segment, we're going to
talk about my favorite consumer show of the year.

Speaker 12 (01:02:28):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I feel pretty sure I've attended every year it's been
around too, dating all the way back to I think
it was nineteen seventy six. I can't be absolutely certain
I made that one, but I did love to fish
Back then. I had a job I had a car
and I wasn't married, so safe bet. I was there
at the first Houston Fishing Show, which launches its golden

(01:02:50):
anniversary show this Wednesday, at the hands of Don and
Cindy Martindale, and I got Don on the phone right now.
Let me bring him in here. Hey Don Martindale, what's
going on?

Speaker 15 (01:02:59):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Oh Doug, good morning everything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
You know, everything's pretty good around here. I must must concede.
You know, back before even you and Cindy were running
this show, did you or Day or anybody back then
ever think it would last this long?

Speaker 13 (01:03:17):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I mean, you know Dave back then there, he was
always ripping and going and doing toilve different things. So
it was you know, he started it for the fishermen. Yeah,
it's kind of grown grown since then, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Kind of grown kind of that's huge, man, you're filling
up space. Yeah, the fiftieth year, it is indeed golden anniversary. Honestly,
I think it endures because it's it's somewhat unique in
that it brings in a lot of factory people to
It's just it's not just people trying to sell you something.
You can go to this show and talk to the

(01:03:56):
people who were involved with the R and D who
talk to people. You can talk to people who are
involved with the engineering of all of that stuff, and
they can give you the deepest answers you wanted, however
deep you want to go into the weeds on the
technical side of these products, they can get you there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Right without a doubt. Like I said, we do have
a lot of reps there and they'll you know, teach
you how to talk to you about cleaning your real
or what's the best way to you know, to keep
your equipment, or if you've got, you know, a question
on how to fix something or sure where to go
to do it, or whatever it's We've got a lot
of people with a lot of good information.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
It doesn't hurt it all that runs it in early
February when you get little pieces of weather like we've
had the last few days, and nobody can just sit
around and do nothing. You've got to get out and fish, now,
don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Well it gets some anxious you know, this eighty degree
weather we're having right now, that's what everybody's looking at,
looking at their boat and their rods, and so it's
time to go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I broke some stuff out yesterday that I hadn't played
with in a long time. So I'm presuming all that
space is filled up in there, and I wonder if
you maybe you could point out one or two things
you know are coming that everybody in this audience really
needs to see.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Well, basically a lot this year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
We've got a lot of our lure guys that are.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Introducing new lures. Yeah, quite a few really and excited
about that. We've got nine different boat leaders explaining their
boats from you know, skinny water, shallow water boats, and
it's just like everything else, everybody in there is promoting
their Fishing Show special. So it is a good time

(01:05:33):
to get good deals on everything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Load up, man, just load up and talking to the
exhibitors as you got closer and closer to the show,
and especially since after November, what's their pulse on the
coming year after the election and on the way things
seem to be headed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
They're excited about it. It's they see more people coming
in and they're excited about the economy. Yes, so I
think they're they're really looking forward to Don.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Martindale here on the Doug Pike Show, celebrating fifty years
of Fishing Show. You're gonna have any TV set up
so people can watch the super Bowl on Sunday or
should they just be fishermen?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Wells Sunday is to move in day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
No, that's right, that's tomorrow. I'm thinking of next Sunday.
You're right, I know. I'm sorry. No, they don't need
to be seeing that. They just need to be focused
on getting those boats in there. Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
That's what I've said. I'll be there watching the boat rolling. Well,
hopefully we'll be pretty close to be it through by
time to start.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah, I had my whole week missed up right there. Man,
So what's the ladiest from the boat vendor too? They're optimistic,
I would imagine as.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Well, right sure, Like I said, they've all got new
models to display, and they're excited and ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I mean it's it's you know, bring you cash, yeah, really,
bring a lot too. I was just talking to Jess
Hugh at a little while ago from hyper Fuels. It's
a non non ethanol fuel that he manufactures, and we
were talking about outboard engines and I looked up what
it costs to buy yourself a Mercury six hundred triple

(01:07:11):
X Elverado, and I don't know if you know what
it costs, but I do now. Basically, well, this is,
you know, just a one shot deal off the internet,
but nonetheless eighty five grand for an outboard motor.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Well, and you're looking at a lot in the big boats.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
They got four? Sure, why not?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
And the only reason they only have four or five
is because seven won't fit. Oh my, that's crazy. Couple
years yeah, oh yeah, yeah, sooner or later. One of
the things I tell my listeners about your show when
they come to it is to schedule the trip around
a seminar or two that they want to catch. You
get there an hour earlier or so, walk the aisles

(01:07:52):
and grab a drink or a snack, and take a
seat for the seminar, and then get up on fresh
legs and walk some more. What seminars are you have
you got this year that really kind of catch your attention?

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Well, I mean they're they're all to be instructive to
the people. We're not, you know, don't sell them up
there and there. We hope that any seminar you go
to you learn something from our pros and oh, no doubt.
So it's it's uh, it's a learning experience. Basically go

(01:08:25):
up there and you know, see see what the new
tips and all that for where to go and how
to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Basically, I'm gonna be talking to Chester Moore at nine
o'clock about his Great White Sharks are that I'm going
to try and make it for that one. I want
to hear what he's been doing. I really do.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Chester always puts on a good seminar. He's does real well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Yeah, he's been doing them a long time. He has.
He's very good at it. What's going on for the
kids On Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Saturday and Sunday we have the kids clank, which we've
got great people out there and we let the kids
cash and everybody gets a price guys, and uh, you
know it's just too great for the kids and to
bring them into the fishing world basically, and they're excited.
And uh it's at two o'clock on Saturday and Sunday
and uh, just come in and get in line, and

(01:09:14):
you know, everybody gets a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
So yeah, you got people coming in, guides and outfitters
coming in from all over the place. Which are the
pros and that that this audience can see at the
show gets the Long Distance Travel Award.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Oh, we got guys from Alaska to Guatemala to Costa Rica. Uh,
you know, all them down the Gulf Coast. We've got
a California guide, We've got uh, Canada. I mean, you know,
it's it's just you know, it's it's well representative from
from all over the golf down there. So yeah, I

(01:09:49):
guess that's the Golf of America is now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
It's fine by me and as as I try to
talk about every year when we do this. One of
the things that the manufacturers get out of this show
is a lot of times they'll bring in stuff that
they haven't really totally released to the public yet, and
they'll get Texas's opinion on it. They'll get Houston's opinion
because they value the expertise, they value the knowledge that

(01:10:16):
Texas fishermen bring into this show to have exchanges that
they're they're kind of picking our brains too, to see
if we like something before they commit to making a
million of them and selling them all over the country.
It's it's that tight a show. They know they get
something from us, just like we get something from them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Oh sure, without a doubt. I mean, you know, anything
you've got to do with fishing is at the show.
And like I said, you can find if you're quite
curious about something, or you got questions about something, or
you heard of something new coming out. They're just about
somebody there.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
Can answer your questions.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
It's, you know, the more we've been around and all
it's it's you know, it's like a family reunion.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
These people is no kidd and that's a very good
way to put it. Man, the fishing family and it's
a family reunion. All right, Don Martindale, thank you so
much man. Houston fishingshow dot com. That's where you're gonna
find anything and everything you could possibly want to see
about this show. Houston fishingshow dot com. Thank you, Don,

(01:11:19):
for sure my pleasure. Idios. All right, we got to
take a little break. Running a bit late. I'll tell
you what. Let me get Jeff real quick. I want
to make sure that we get his question answered. Jeff.
What's up, buddy?

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Hey Doug you doing it? I'm good.

Speaker 15 (01:11:34):
You helped me a couple of months ago trying to
get my four year old granddaughter into fishing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 15 (01:11:39):
Some pictures and every day oh yeah, yeah, a little
ponds probably what you breeth me deep and it froze up.
I think he killed all the fish. Anyway, I found
another pond and I was I went out because I
wanted to see if there was anything anyfore, I took
her and uh, I this was this morning, and I
called to unfish and I was using a little bitty

(01:12:02):
size eight hooks. Yeah, and where they swallowed them probably
all the way down to their tail. And I felt awful.
But their mouths are real little. I just seed to
go up the size on hooks. What what size hooks
should I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
You don't necessarily need You don't necessarily need to go
up aside? Are you using long shank or short shank hooks?

Speaker 15 (01:12:23):
Short shank?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Get a long shank and mash the barb down those
little things. They'll they'll hang on to. They'll wiggle and
flop and maybe they'll flop off, maybe they won't. But
go ahead and just squish that barb down with a
pair of needle those flyers, and that way, when you
get them up, you can there's some metal that you
can get the end of your needle those flyers on
and just roll it and just slide it right out

(01:12:44):
of their their mouths. Or their gills or wherever it
gets to. I wouldn't go to bigger hooks because you're right,
they're not going to be able to eat whatever's on
that hook. They won't get the hook in their mouth.
But if you go little, I used to use tens
a lot when when the fish were only three or
four inches long. I'd go to long shank tens and
then smash that bar number one to make it easier

(01:13:05):
to move remove fish, and number two to back it
out of my son's feet or hands or wherever he
stuck one if he did. And that way you don't
have to quit fishing and go to the hospital.

Speaker 13 (01:13:15):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:13:16):
Okay, well that long shank I think I'll save save
the table.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, what are you baiting with a little just urgeworms? Okay,
I can save you some time there too. Bring a
couple of slices of bread and just roll into little
dough balls about the size of a beebe or a
little bit bigger, and put that on the end of
that thing and they'll just slurp it right up and
chum too. Use something for chum, get a little little action.

Speaker 15 (01:13:44):
I remember you telling me that like corn.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Corn, corn soak it in about the tables a can
of corn, drain the water, put it in a ziplock bag,
and then add about a tablespoon or two of vanilla extract.
Cheaper the better for both store brand corn and store
ran vanilla extract. The fish don't care, and you can
attract every sunfish from six miles with that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Okay, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I appreciate you. Tear it up. Yeah, thanks man. Bye,
Hope he sends me more pictures. I know we got
to say what Yes, I appreciate that because that was
helpful information. There you go, I learned something new. Just
nows what we do. Yes, man, I have helped so
many little kids catch their first fish. It just and
it just puts a bigger smile on my face. When
they there was a oh, I'll tell you when we

(01:14:31):
get back, we'll have a few minutes. Yeah, let's do it.
We'll take this break. We'll be right back to Doug
Pike Show on Sports Talk seven ninety. Your Rockets and
Astros live here. We are Sports Talk seven ninety. The
conversation continues this as The Doug Pike Show and eight
fifty one on Sports Talk seven ninety, The Dugpike show.
Thank you for listening. Coming up at nine, we're gonna
talk to Chester more about great white sharks. Melvin was

(01:14:53):
quizzing me during the break about hook sizes, and I
gave him a little bit on hook shapes as well.
Long shank, short shank. I call it kl kahli. Some
people call it collie, but it looks like a little boomerang.
And then you go from there to circle hooks, all
of which have tremendous specific application for catching different sized fish,

(01:15:19):
catching using different baits. Some of those are easy to
attach to an artificial lure and take off the treble hooks.
I'm not a huge fan of treble hooks anymore, to
be honest with you, mostly because I don't have any
I don't have any egotistical goal to reach by putting

(01:15:43):
three hooks on a lure six two treble hooks on
a lure versus two single hooks. I'm looking for the fastest,
easiest way to release those fish, and that's why I'm
mashing my barbs down. I talk with Melvin about the
sizes of the hooks, and you're talking about little pan
fish no bigger than your hand. You don't need anything

(01:16:03):
bigger than maybe maybe a six on a good day.
If there are more big ones than little ones, and
if the fish are smaller, go down to an eight
or even a ten, just a teeny tiny little hook
smash that barbed down flat. You might have to find
some flat, flat jawed needlenosed pliers to get that job
done right, or use the flat part of the jaws anyway.

(01:16:26):
But that's gonna make it easier to release the fish,
and it's gonna make it easier to remove a hook
that somehow gets stuck in somebody during the trip. I'm
keep you from having to go to the doctor. As
you get into the keil hooks that we were talking about.
Catfish a little bit bigger thing. It's got a bigger mouth.
You can easily go up to a six or a
four trying to catch them. It just all depends on

(01:16:48):
what you're planning to catch. And just because a bigger
fish might come along doesn't mean you can't catch it
on that four or six hook. Ten to twelve pound catfish,
as long as it gets that hook in its mouth
and it's a strong enough hook to to withstand the
pressure that fish can put on it be fine. A
little fish I caught yesterday, I said a little They

(01:17:10):
were about pound and a half two pound catfish the
ones I caught while I was trying to bass fish
and throwing a cheap spinner bait. They were just tearing
up the wire on that spinner bait. That poor little frame.
Every time I'd get it back, it just looked like
somebody run over it and then run it just through
a I don't know, a grinder or something. I had
to take my plyers and bend that thing back to

(01:17:32):
just into the shape it needed to be to run. True.
It's crazy seven one three two one two five seven ninety.
Email me Dougpike at iHeartMedia dot com. There just there's
so much to learn about fishing, and I hope you
guys will take advantage of these seminars out there at
the Fishing Show when it's going on next week. Not
this week. I don't know how I even thought about that,

(01:17:54):
but next week from Wednesday through Sunday. And by the way,
if you if you live or work close to the
Galleria and can swing by the studios here in the
in the stations are offices. I have some passes out
there at the front desk at reception that are good
for free admission on the weekdays and two bucks a

(01:18:16):
ticket off on the weekend. And if you're like me
and you're gonna go out there on the weekdays and
maybe even go a couple of times, I can save
you a pretty good bunch of money and get you
in there on the weekday, get you in there free,
and so you can buy a couple of lures while
you're out there. Really parlay that into a worthwhile investment.
I saw something yesterday and I almost I'm flash into

(01:18:40):
some garage issues when I said, buy some more lures.
If I bring another lure into the garage, I'm gonna
have to throw one away to make room for it.
But there was a guy who had just this big
wad of old plastic, soft plastic lures, and he was
talking about how a lot of people would just throw
them away, bits and pieces and chunks and lures that

(01:19:01):
just were the one you took off real quick and
landed in the bottom of the boat, and then you
threw it somewhere and you found them later. And now
he's got this big handful and what he does is
melts them down, then throws in a bunch of glitter,
different colors of glitter or whatever, and whatever color that
melted down bunch of plastic becomes, that's his new color

(01:19:22):
that he's gonna throw. He puts them in the mold,
pours it all into the mold, and out pops a
full series of whatever that cool color is. And the
way he talked and the way he hinted at how
it's worked out so far, and he showed the color
that came out of that batch, And man, I wouldn't
mind having a dozen of those in my pocket when

(01:19:44):
I left next time to go bass fishing. So that's
just something else you can put money into in fishing
the bottomless pit as it is. Actually, my garage isn't
a bottomless pit anymore. About thirty percent the space has
been cleared, and I think this afternoon I'm going to

(01:20:05):
go out and clear another ten or fifteen percent at least.
And my mission today will be to throw away every
spool of monofilament line that's been out there for I
don't know, six, eight, ten years, because I'll need it someday.
That's what I said when I put it all out there.

(01:20:25):
But it's been through freezes, hard freezes. It's been through extensive,
just long running stretches of one hundred degree weather. That
stuff's not any good anymore, I know it. I'm gonna
do that. And then there's some lower buckets I need
to go through and purge and purge and purge and

(01:20:47):
purge until I can. I'm going to try to clear
twelve to fifteen feet of space down the side of
the garage today. That right now is just loaded down
with gear, and I'm gonna get it done. We need
to take a little break here, don't we. Let's take
this one out clean too, and then when we get
back into that nine o'clock hour, we're gonna have some

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good things I'll tell you about as far as sponsors go.
A couple of my favorites actually coming up in the
nine o'clock hour, and well, absolutely as you reminded me,
of course, Chester Moore, we're gonna be talking about great
white sharks in the Gulf of Mexico and your odds.
I guess I'll try to get him to pin down
some odds on actually seeing one when you're off shore.

(01:21:28):
Probably not so much inshore. I don't think they'd come
too close. Our other shark species do, and We can
certainly get into that with Chester as well. More than
Doug Pike Show coming up on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Now here's Doug Pike, Hi Kley third hour really starting already,
Holy cow, this one's gone very fast. In this segment,
we are going to talk about something you may not
know about the Gulf of Mexico. And if you're scared
of sharks, that's probably good that you don't know, because
that beautiful body of water is being navigated these days

(01:22:13):
by an increasing number of great white sharks. And with
that I will welcome Chester Moore, editor of Texas Fishing
Game Magazine, Bigfoot Believer through and through, and Great white
Shark researcher. Welcome aboard Chester. Well where'd he go? I didn't? Oh,
I thought you had him? There you are, Chester, Sorry
about that, man.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
There you go, sir?

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
How you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I am doing great, I really am. How long you
been keeping an eye on great white sharks?

Speaker 13 (01:22:39):
You know, I've been obsessed with great white and sharks
since I saw jaws and used to watch John Special.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
So it's been a couple of days, no kidding, man.

Speaker 13 (01:22:48):
And you know, a friend of mine literally twenty years
this year saw great white about fifty six miles out
of Sabine Pass at a rig. He called me on
a satellite phone. Yeah, and I wrote Ourracle for Tide
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Controversial. People said there's new great whites in the goldment.

Speaker 13 (01:23:04):
I had some historical data su and then O Sert
started tagging white sharks with satellite tags in around twenty
fourteen fifteen. They sort of showing up and you know
around like Orange Beach, Alabama, Pama City, Florida. But last
year of the Atlanta White Sharks Conservancy based out of
Cape Cott had tagged one in South Carolina that showed

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up one hundred yards from the beach at South Padre Island.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Ooh, that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Little too close for comfort, man, all.

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
Twenty six hundred pounds of her.

Speaker 13 (01:23:37):
Oh that's a pea leebeth and she made an incredible journey.
So that really got me more motivated. I started a
blog at Gulf Great Whites dot com. There's been a
lot of interest because this is, you know, as scary
as it may sound, to some people, it's actually a
conservation success story.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yeah, yeah, it really is. That's a good, very good point.
Talk about what before we get into the what the
sharks are doing. What data do these satellite tags gather?

Speaker 13 (01:24:01):
So satellite tags gather everything from just you know, their
movement trajectory. They can gather if they were able to
retrieve the info, which is the tricky part.

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
Yea depths the death.

Speaker 13 (01:24:13):
They go, speed areas, they're hanging out and things like that,
and uh, it's really incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Oh where'd you go? Hang tight? Hang tight? Chester? We
lost you for a second there, trying to get you back.
Come back, Chester. We can't hear you. Okay, Yeah, I'm
gonna have to. Chester's gonna or Melbourn's gonna call Chester back.
We lost him somehow. I don't know. I think maybe
the sharks got win that we were we were giving
him up, and that may have been one in his
his wheelhouse somewhere. Tell me when he's back there, Chester,

(01:24:42):
I'm here, Chester, not there, he is calling us, that's
you Chester, Where are you?

Speaker 9 (01:24:48):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Good? Golly, start over, Melvin, We'll get Chester back. Yeah,
get whatever that is on ten, Get it off of there.
I don't know what that there you go, some man,
once you open up these lines, you never know what's
going to happen. I'll get Chester back, that happens. He's
all the way over in probably over there around Beaumont,
somewhere close to it. He's the next East Texas guy,

(01:25:11):
and that I've known for ever since he won like
an up and coming outdoor writer award at the Outdoor
Writers Association of Texas TODW Texas Outdoor Writers Association banquet,
probably thirty years ago, I'm not sure when it was.
He was a very young guy and eager to get

(01:25:33):
into the outdoor communication business and he flat took the
bull by the horns and became one of the best
there is in this business. And I love talking to
him because he does a lot of research on stuff
that I wish I had time to dig deeper into.
You got him, Mayor team up, Melvin. Let's try again, Chester.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Lord, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
I hear you now? Yeah, you just dropped off the
face of the earth for a minute. That's okay, We're back.
So we talked about satellites doing what they do kind
of now, and so what is most striking about how
many or where they're where they are here. What really
pings out at you is something important about great whites
in the Gulf.

Speaker 13 (01:26:14):
Well, what's interesting is these these sharks are we don't
know exactly where they're born, but somewhere up in the Atlantic.
And the thing is they're they're mainly wintering here. Apparently
the trajectory before we killed them all off back in
the day was they would be born somewhere up in
the Atlantic and then they would come winter a lot
of them in the.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
Gulf of Mexico.

Speaker 13 (01:26:34):
But what's interesting is with this one particular sharks showed
it's not just like in the fringe of the Gulf
around the Straits of Florida or somewhere like that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
It's all it's all.

Speaker 13 (01:26:43):
The way over to the Texas coast, and this one
shark leadbath even venture done into Mexico. So the thing
that jumps out of me is the historical range of
the great white was not written about. Even in the
nineteen fifties. There were three caught within a week in
Port of Ransas. Wow is included in the west during
Gulf of Mexico.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Wow, I didn't know about that. Those three being caught
in a week.

Speaker 13 (01:27:04):
Holy cal yep, they thought about fifteen miles off shore
a newspaper, and the newspaper back then called them man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Eaters, which is, of course, yeah, which of course it did.

Speaker 7 (01:27:15):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
That was just oh my word. So talk let's talk
generally about sharks for a second too, and then maybe
swing back to the great whites themselves, talk about their
importance to the ecosystem, because a lot of people are
still under the impression that they're just nothing but evil
and need to be taken out of the water.

Speaker 13 (01:27:33):
Yeah, sharks were truly evil and just you know, eating
machines against people we could never get in the water
and wad fish because they're always sharks around us. Sure,
they're important because they keep the oceanan check. They kill
the sick in the week and the injured, and they
keep you know, game fish population's bait fish population checked.
So it would be like, you know, it'd be like,

(01:27:54):
for example, in Texas if no one if we stopped
white tailed deer hunting. Oh boy, don't and go ahead,
so think about how terrible that would be, right, It
would be so absolutely gosh, we keep it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
The ocean check and keep.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
It cleaned up. Hello, Yeah, we got you now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
I don't know what's going on with this line. It's crazy, man.
I think the sharks are conspiring against Chester.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 13 (01:28:17):
I got here?

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
You got me, I'm here, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Okay, I'm gonna ask you another question then, well, and
are there still problems worldwide with spinning of sharks?

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:28:30):
Finning of starks is a practice that you know, there
is a market in Asia for shark fin soup, okay,
And they run these long lines. You know what a
long line is, Listener's basically miles long throught lines in
the ocean, and a lot of times they would catch
big sharks, cut the fins off and throw them back
in the water. And sharks have low reproductive rates, and
that was also something to contributed a Great white decline

(01:28:52):
was you know, you know, they would get caught in
the finning thing as well. And you're talking about a shark,
a great white that gets sexually mature at thirty years old.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Oh my word, I didn't realize it was that long
for them.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
Yeah, late twenties to thirty things to be the average.

Speaker 13 (01:29:07):
So they have low reproductive rates and because we protected
them starting to ninety seven, also Doug, you'll like this,
the removal of gillnets and striking nets along the coast. Yeah,
that's not so many of the juveniles from being caught.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
And every other shark species as well, not just great whites.
There aren't that many of them here anyway. But yeah,
when you're taking out sharks with gill nets, that's horrible.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
Man, Yeah, exactly. So that's why we're seeing.

Speaker 13 (01:29:31):
One of the reasons we're seeing so many more spinner
sharks and bull sharks and black tips is because of
the conservation practice started by the sport fishing industry.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yep. Yeah, well it was the reason it was started
by the sport fishing industry because we're the only ones
who had skin in the game, so to speak. It
mattered to us that the populations were healthy so we
could enjoy fishing for them. And that's just the same
way with hunting, you know how that works. The people
who have the most to gain or lose are the
ones who are going to be invested. And for people

(01:30:01):
who live in big cities and never really go out
into nature at all, they don't really care, do they.

Speaker 13 (01:30:08):
No, it's the people that actually encounter and experience it,
and most of the time in America that is a
hunter in the terrestrial world or in the ocean.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
A lot of times it is a fisherman.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Yes, indeed it is. I've made my investment. I know
you have, certainly over the years in these regents.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
So your seminar is a week from today actually at one.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
Right, yep, at the Houston Fishing Show. Yes, sir, Yeah,
I'll be talking about oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:30:36):
I'll be talking about great whites and the Gulf, other
large sharks, talking about this conservation comeback, the things that
people can do if they want to keep up with it,
and just talking about sharks in general as well, getting
a better understanding.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
You're talking about some of.

Speaker 13 (01:30:49):
These big camera heads that are being caught, and there
have even been a couple of greenland sharks caught in
the Gulf.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Really holy cow man.

Speaker 13 (01:30:56):
Yeah, so I'm gonna be talking about some really interesting
shark misries.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
Be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
We'll try and make it down there for that when
I really am I want to first of all, I
hadn't shaken your hand along time. You're gonna be at
the show all week or are you.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
Just coming in for the seminar I'm coming in Saturday
and Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
That's okay, sure, all right, I'll try and get down
there and see you, man, I really will. I love
talking about sharks with you, you know I do. And
there's just so much to tell. I'm glad you're gonna
devote that time in that seminar to kind of set
people straight on what's going on out there. And not
to be scared of sharks either. That's that draws me crazy.
I don't want to get in the water. I'm scared
of sharks. Well then just I don't. I don't know

(01:31:32):
what to tell you.

Speaker 13 (01:31:33):
Yeah, you might as well not get anywhere with the
salt in the water, because even in fresh water, you
might run into a bull shark.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Oh man, how far up to Trinity River, all the
way to the dam, And if they could find a
way around the dam, they'd be in Lake Livingson.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Absolutely, So you know, you just got to be editated
and and also just know that you know it takes.

Speaker 13 (01:31:51):
Conservations to supporting conservation centric groups makes a big difference,
even when it comes to sharks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, and sharks, sharks does deserve that protection. They've been
overfished for so long. Chester it's it's a pleasure, man,
it always is. You know, you're welcome here anytime, buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:32:08):
Thanks Doug.

Speaker 5 (01:32:08):
Sorry about the minor shark attack on the line this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Yeah, I think that that might have been what happened.
They're out there biting through they don't want to talk
about all right, man, audios, it's Chester Moore. What a
great guy. I've known him for so long now, like
I said earlier, since he was just a very young
and aspiring outdoor writer, and he's turned into one of
the best. If he latches his teeth into something, he's

(01:32:33):
going to find out exactly what's going on, and he's
he's gonna have answers to questions. He reminds me in
a little way of Ted Nugent, and that if he
makes a statement about something, he's able to back it up.
He can, he can source it. He can give you
the references to make sure that if you want to
challenge him on something, you go look it up and

(01:32:55):
you'll find out, Well, what do you know, Chester was
right about it?

Speaker 15 (01:32:58):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I'll tell you what I'm right about is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Our Sportstock seven ninety Houston Sports where you go with
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Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Doug Well nine nineteen on Sports Talk seven ninety The
Doug Pike Show. Thanks for listening. It's got a photograph
sent from Rick. I want to move that camera just
a teeny bit so I can get my phone in
the right place. There you go, Melbourne. You can still
see my pretty face, right Yep. A little loaded question,
wasn't it. No, I see you. No, don't know who

(01:33:32):
you're talking about. Uh yeah. So Rick sends me this
picture of these four or five arrowheads. I'm not sure
what their origin is, where they came from, or anything,
but they're really good examples and just looking at those
makes me wonder just how hard it must have been
to survive when eating, when getting high protein meat to

(01:33:57):
eat dependent on your ability to pick up a rock
and use other rocks to turn it into an arrowhead
without breaking the point off of it, or without making
it lopsided or wobbly or not easy to affix to
a stick with some little string of leather that you

(01:34:19):
had sliced off of another animal that you'd killed earlier, whatever,
and then making feathers or getting the feathers to put
on the back of the arrow to stabilize it in flight,
and then finding just the right branch and another piece
of long leather that you had to use as a bowstring,
and cobbling all that stuff together, and then sneaking up

(01:34:42):
on an animal and making a shot that ninety nine
point nine percent of humans alive today couldn't make on
a bet. And that's just what they did every day.
It's interesting. And I've had the good fortune to be
able to look through some places along creeks in South
Texas where thousands of years ago, and certainly many hundreds

(01:35:04):
of years ago, people stopped and this is where they
kind of gathered to make arrowheads, and you can find
broken pieces and stuff that were left behind where somebody's
shooting the breeze around a fire, trying to chip something
out of stone, make themselves a scraper or an arrowhead
or whatever, or a spear point and then oops, oh man, yeah,

(01:35:29):
I got distracted and I broke my arrowhead. I have
to start over, and they just drop those pieces and
start over. And when you stumble across stuff like that,
you realize it wasn't easy to do, and not every
attempt was a success, just like in anything else today
that's handmade, no matter how many times you've made it,

(01:35:51):
there's still a chance you might mess up. And it's
just fascinating for me to look at stuff like that
and think of the history that's behind that and the
hardship that those people had just getting from day to
day when they had no weather forecasting. They had no
way to know that even though today it's pretty warm
and you can walk around just in little or nothing

(01:36:15):
on very comfortably, four days later it might be snowing
in fifteen degrees. That's a hard life. We're very blessed
in that regard that we don't. Most of us don't
ever have to endure any such thing. We just don't.
And we're lucky to be living in an age of
what we have here and still have still be able

(01:36:38):
to go hunting and fishing, not in any way, shape
or form like it was done when survival depended on that,
but at least in a way that we can enjoy it.
And it's a little more fun when you've got a
high tech bait caster in your hands than maybe a
throw line wrapped around a stick, but it's still fishing,

(01:37:00):
and it kind of takes us back to our roots.
I think I really do seven two five seven ninety
email me Doug Pike at iHeartMedia dot com. Got that
taken care of, Got that took care of all of this?
That goes over here. Man, We're just we're just plowing along.
I'll go back to fog for a minute. I've got
about well, No, I can go to the tournament. Let's

(01:37:21):
do that. Let's go look at the leaderboard of the
Waste Management Phoenix open if I can get my little
mouse over here, there we go, load up. Please, kind
of curious to see who the made the move yesterday. Okay,
I'm clicking over to see the full leader board before
I open my big mouth. And that's boy. That's there

(01:37:43):
we go. Thank you very much. Computer.

Speaker 5 (01:37:46):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Thomas Datree shot sixty four yesterday, finds himself too clear
of everybody else at twelve under par uh Alex Smalley
and Michael Kim both at ten after shooting sixty five
and sixty three, respectively. Sixty three low round of the day.
I'm pretty sure I haven't scrolled down very far, but

(01:38:08):
I doubt that anybody farther down did any better than that.
That's a pretty significant second round, if you will. Tom
Kim Jordan's Speith and Christian Bezidenhout all at nine under par.
Jordan Speith having some sort of a risk issue. I
think I saw a story. I didn't get a chance

(01:38:29):
to read it, but I saw a little headline about
him dealing with some I don't know how severe it is,
but apparently there's something bothering him, but also apparently not
enough to keep him out of a tie for fourth
place at the Waste Management Tournament. Moving down, looking for notables,

(01:38:49):
Justin Thomas tied for seventh at eight under par. Scotty
Scheffler tied for twelfth at seven under par. Moving on,
Melvin Jagos. I watched him make an eagle yesterday. If
I'm not mistaken, he had six under par, and then
on and on it goes through the list. I'm not
seeing anybody I need to tell you about. It's a

(01:39:11):
good tournament. It's fun. It was the original one where
fans were allowed to go a little crazy on a
three par and that's turned into something that they've actually
had to rein in and have had to rain in
at a lot of tournaments that have incorporated something like that.
I don't mind having the cheering and all of that
going on. But I think it crossed the line several

(01:39:33):
years ago when people started throwing water bottles and other
just garbage onto the actual golf course and onto the green,
even at that hole, And that impacts everybody who comes
along later than that happened. Who's trying to play that
hole and roll a straight putt. When people are throwing

(01:39:55):
full water bottles onto greens, they're gonna leave marks, and
that's just that's. First of all, it's unsportsmanlike as a
spectator to do something that stupid, and secondly, it just
I don't know, it just kind of makes me want
to take all that away. I don't I like the
idea of the crowd being more involved, and I think

(01:40:18):
that this indoor that TGL format allows that to happen
on much smaller scale than what's going on out in Phoenix.
But it's still something interesting. It's still something interesting, and
it's moving golf forward, which I think is good. Golf
got kind of stale for a while, and I think

(01:40:39):
everybody in the game was looking for something until we
got Live Golf. And then Live Golf came in and
looked like it might make it, might not make it.
Then it's back again in a different, subtle change, and
now it seems to be entrenched and moving forward. Gel

(01:41:00):
is moving forward, and the biggest names in the game
are getting involved in multiple platforms and a little more
cross over here, a little more there, and all of
a sudden, professional golf is going to have a whole
lot of different looks, and I think overall, long term,
that's gonna be good for the game. It got a

(01:41:20):
little stodgy for a while, it got a little upty
for a while, and I think more people are going
to be drawn back by the way it's being presented
now than by the way it was a long time ago.
Let's take a little break.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Talk seven ninety. We're going to tee it up and
see if we can find somebody to play Melbourne's jellies
and jams and tell us what Melvin's musical theme was
on all these rejoins. It should be easy enough to
understand by now, and if you're interested in being able
to come up here and take home a nice little
basket full of four jars, four different selections from Mike

(01:42:10):
Mercado's Brasses River Provisions Company down there in Rosenbergh. All
you gotta do is call, and as soon as somebody
jumps on the line, we'll get that game started. We
will find out if you've been paying attention long enough,
it should be. If you've heard three of these, you
should know what the theme is. That's all we have
to do. Sometimes it takes them a little bit longer.

(01:42:31):
I forget. We're on a delay too. Seven one three
two one two five seven ninety seven one three two
one two five seven ninety And once we get somebody
in here, we'll take care of it. If it takes
a while, it'll take a while. I don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
They know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
You can try if it's not too just straight up
don't tell them what it is, Okay, no problem. So
what's the hint? You have a real hint? Or are
you just going to lay it out there? I was
just gonna lay it out No, no, no, no, no,
not there. Sure somebody's out there who wants to take
home something they can haul over to the to the
Big Game party tomorrow and wow everybody there with what

(01:43:09):
they brought. Well, no, you can't come get it today
though because the office is closed, but you could go
buy some of that stuff seven one three two one
two five seven ninety email on me Dougpike at iHeartMedia
dot Com.

Speaker 13 (01:43:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
In this segment, I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to
golf a little bit and then if I have to,
and if I want to, I may in the last
segment go back to fog because the fog is it's
kind of It wasn't bad. It wasn't as bad this
morning as it has been for the past couple of weeks.
But I've certainly been through plenty of it on the
golf side. I was gonna talk about when I went

(01:43:43):
out yesterday, Well, actually it was about three or four
days ago, maybe a week ago.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
The Tommy O'Brien at at Blackhawk put me through, Uh
it's almost like a torture chamber, trying to make me
turn farther going back, and he showed me how to
do it, and he showed me some extra sizes to
do at home, which I'm going to start today, by
the way, on making it easier on me. And just
like every time he's told me to do something in

(01:44:09):
the past to change a golf swing that wasn't that bad.
It's working, and it's making me a better golfer, and
I keep wanting to get better at it and keep
go going to practice it. But it's still my muscles
aren't quite used to it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
So I can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Once I stretch out, I make a few swings and
then I start kind of pushing the limits in that
certain direction to accomplish what he wants me to accomplish.
But man, oh man, by the time I get home
and by the time I sit down on a big
brown chair start watching a little TV, who my back
tightens up. So that just tells me I'm not strong

(01:44:48):
enough yet.

Speaker 14 (01:44:49):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Is that our guy? You got the music ready? Yes, sir,
I hit it all right? Here we go jam now.

Speaker 16 (01:45:05):
A taste of Melvin's jams and Jelly's on the Dunk
Bike Show, deliciously spread for you by Broslos River provisions
locally made door mate jams, jellies and sauces for all occasions.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Bully just kind of like this jams and jellies. I
guess that's it. That's that's in keeping with the quality
of his products. Is the quality of that? Diego? What's
going on?

Speaker 11 (01:45:29):
Man?

Speaker 6 (01:45:30):
Oh, not much.

Speaker 12 (01:45:31):
I'm up there at the office, but I've been listening
to the show all morning.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Perfect. What kind of work do you do?

Speaker 5 (01:45:36):
I'm an attorney.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Oh man, you got big cases going down, just trying to.

Speaker 5 (01:45:40):
Catch up on some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Fair enough, I'm not gonna ask you any more questions
to counselor for all the money in the world, world,
not all that, but just for that beautiful gift basket
with four jars of jams, Jelly's and or salsice from
Brezis River Provisions Company. What is today's thing?

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
The theme is parts of the Body and oh there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Bell right there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Oh we've got a bell and applause. Now you are
absolutely correct. I'm glad you got that. We try to
make it. There's never gonna be a loser. But at
least you got it right. I didn't have to help
you out, all right, I am. That's about it. That's
about all. We need to have some ending to this too, Melbourne.
We got to figure that out. I'll get that. I
will congratulate mister Garcia again for his victory today, and

(01:46:26):
I'm gonna put you on hold, diego, and Melbourne will
get all your information and show it, tell you where
we are, where you can come pick this up, and
you will not be disappointed, I can assure you. Oh,
thank you very much, Yes, sir, thank you. All right,
he goes on hold. Melbourne's going to take care of him.
I'm gonna go back to the fog for a minute,
because I neglected early on to talk about We talked

(01:46:48):
about fishing in the fog. We talked about well, I
didn't even get to deer hunting. I've done a lot
of that too, but waterfowl hunting is stuck in my head,
fog wise, because not only was the hunting in the
fall challenging, but just getting three or four car loads
of people behind you on a two lane blacktop that's
got ditches on both sides and you can barely see

(01:47:10):
twenty feet in front of your face, that was always
a challenge. Seemed like we always got to where we
needed to be a little bit later than I would
have liked to to try and get that spread put
out right, but we did, and nobody got permanently lost
out there. And this was back before cell phones too,
where somebody didn't keep up as we drove through the fog.

(01:47:33):
I never drove super fast trying to get anywhere in fog,
but sometimes people would just I don't know what they'd do.
They just fall off the back of the train, and
somebody else would have to wait until we'd get out
there and get the spread put out. But then somebody
would have to go out and try to find those
guys in backtrack, and it usually ended up having to

(01:47:55):
be me, because nobody else really had any idea where
we'd been, even when the fog lifted. But the real
fun started when we were in the field. It was
so cool. It really was finally get there, gets settled in,
shooting time comes and the whole prairie just goes ghostly
quiet because the birds. When Rick talked about I think

(01:48:16):
it was Rick talking about ducks flying through the fog
or something. Ducks really don't like to fly in the fog.
They weren't, they weren't terribly active.

Speaker 11 (01:48:24):
In a fog.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
But the geese would get up and go, and I
guess they just had their internal GPS was a little
bit better than that of the ducks, maybe, but whatever
it was, you would you just be sitting there in
just this dead still air, and you could you could
just drop a little piece of rice tumble on the ground,
and here it hit. And then all of a sudden
you just kind of hear and it was geese just

(01:48:48):
kind of talking to themselves very quietly and flying low
enough where they could see down through that fog and
pick up little pieces of ground. But it was still
almost impossible to see them. You could hear their wings flapping,
you could hear them kind of talking to each other,

(01:49:08):
and then and there's nothing at all. You just look
it up there, all up in that fog, and you
can't really even tell where the sound's coming from. And
then all of a sudden you can make out shapes,
and then you realize they're onlyt like maybe ten twelve
yards off the ground, and they're just right there, and like,
holy cow, take them. And then within five seconds they're

(01:49:30):
all back up in the fog and you have no
idea where they went. Maybe you might get one, maybe
two out of a dozen that were just right in
your face. Pretty smart birds actually lift out of range
and never to be seen again. And one thing that
drove me crazy, by the way, was when somebody who
would somebody in the spread you kind of I'm not

(01:49:51):
picking on people who aren't really good at goose hunting
and didn't do it for fourteen years as a guide,
and another ten or fifteen twenty before it after I've
been guiding. But they would, as soon as they would
hear that little murmur up there on this just dead,
still quiet morning, they grabbed that goose hole. He boom, boom, boom,
making all this noise. You might as well have set

(01:50:14):
off a cannon or something, or just or a siren
on an old fire truck. They don't want to hear
all that noise in the fog. It scares a bit
jeepers out of them and kind of probably messes up
your hunt for fifteen twenty minutes. Tough trick keeping truck
of dogs in the fog too, That was pretty rough.
They'd take off after a bird. A bird comes in overhead,

(01:50:36):
it's hit, but it's not dropping like a rock. It's
coming down kind of gradually, and that dog is going
after it. Mine would certainly bo would go after him,
and he wouldn't stop till it hit the ground and
he was able to pick it up, and then he
just kind of stand there because he had no idea
where we were, and then we had to play that
Marco polo game again. Come on, boys, get back here.

Speaker 13 (01:50:58):
Bo.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
I'd had to holler and holler and holler. And fortunately
their ears are at least as good as their noses,
I suppose they're maybe almost as good anyway, and he
would find his way back. Didn't lose the dog in
a fog, not permanently, but every now and then he'd
be gone a while because he wouldn't hesitate to run
two three hundred yards to pick up a bird that

(01:51:20):
he knew was coming to the ground. And older, older labs,
especially in goose hunts and duck hunts, they learn which
ones are coming down and which ones are going to
make it back for bed check at the roosts that night,
and they'll tail off after a while. But the better
ones will they'll run. They'll run as far as it

(01:51:42):
takes to figure out whether that bird's gonna not make
it or make it, and then just turn around and
come on back and start picking up the ones that
fell while they were chasing after the one that was
kind of falling. Fascinated by the labrador of treevers, all
love them, I absolutely do. The good ones, the bad ones,
the in between ones, and I hunted over a lot
of bad ones that my hunter's brought out to.

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
I want to bring old old Fluffy Love. He's my lab.

Speaker 15 (01:52:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
I've had him for seven years now and this will
be his third goose hunting. He's ready to go. Man, Well,
have you been running? You've been training him at all? No,
he stays in shape. He runs around the backyard sometimes woo, okay,
bring your dogs. We'll see how it goes. And every
now and then one of them would surprise me. But

(01:52:28):
mostly they're porch poodles, and that's okay too. They're wonderful
family dogs. But if they're not trained for and not
experienced in waterfowl hunting, it's gonna be tough on them.
It's still fun to have him in the spread.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
This is Sports Talk seven ninety online at Sports seven
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Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Now more Doug Fight.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
All right, welcome back, thanks for listening, Kyle Lee. Final
segment of the program. Already it has been a fast
show had at Melbourne. Get your Hands soon brought on
by and I don't want to I don't want to
waste any of match time here, Matt, what's up.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
Man, Hey, I got a question for I love labor.

Speaker 6 (01:53:10):
You just said something about lab damn. So I had
to go years ago.

Speaker 11 (01:53:14):
I want to know if you've ever heard anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:16):
So he was a great water dog.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Streat waterfowl dog.

Speaker 9 (01:53:20):
Sure, but we would bring him out into the field
in the summer and had shit jup. And as soon
as somebody out in the summertime, in the in the heat,
as somebody would draw up the gun, he would take
off like fifteen yards from us and then sit down
and wait for the bird to fall. But like in
the waterfoul part of it, he would never ever move.

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
Wow.

Speaker 12 (01:53:44):
And he was a legitimate dog.

Speaker 6 (01:53:45):
We got We got him out of a legitimate place
out of he detective I don't I don't known here but.

Speaker 15 (01:53:54):
Boggy flute.

Speaker 5 (01:53:55):
Yeah, okay, So I mean he was he was training there.

Speaker 9 (01:53:57):
We bought him from there. But every time I'm in
the summer, we would draw a gun, he would take
off like fifteen yards from us to sit down and
wait for the bird to.

Speaker 12 (01:54:06):
Drop and then take off.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
But a waterfoul he would never ever move.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:54:12):
That I didn't.

Speaker 11 (01:54:14):
He's been gone.

Speaker 9 (01:54:15):
For you know, I've asked the question before to other people,
and nobody has ever been able to give me like
a I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
I'm trying to I'm wrecking my brain. I'm wrecking my
brain trying to figure out what would have what would
have inspired him to get that head start, because that's
kind of what he was doing, was given himself a
head start.

Speaker 9 (01:54:38):
It was almost like it was almost like he was
more teered in the summertime, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
It wasn't more like a head start.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
It was more like of a he was running from
the gun shot? Was he running from the shot? Anytime
somebody would draw up, he would.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
Take off to the right or to the left.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Huh, that wouldn't go out, Oh, he would just he
would just startled kind.

Speaker 11 (01:55:01):
Of yeah a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Was he looking at was he looking at birds when
he did it? Or was he just you know, just
to you just pick a gun up and he's gone.

Speaker 6 (01:55:10):
His head was up in the air.

Speaker 9 (01:55:12):
But as soon as somebody would draw up, he would kind.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Of give me over to the right or well that's crazy.
Who knows, man, I don't know if it was the heat, I.

Speaker 11 (01:55:21):
Don't know what it was, but I just I've never
heard of it before.

Speaker 6 (01:55:24):
I've asked the tonic questions.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
About it, so here's a question anyway. But but he
did bring the ducks back in the doves back right,
all good, all good man.

Speaker 15 (01:55:37):
I was telling me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Go ahead, I was gonna know.

Speaker 6 (01:55:41):
I was just it.

Speaker 9 (01:55:42):
Boggles my mind on why he would actually hear something
like that.

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
I mean, that's not typical of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
The last I was telling Melvin, my dog. Once we'd
finish a hunt, this dog of my bow would he
as soon as we stood up and started picking up
decoys and rags and whatnot, he would just disappear and
end up on a rice levee or an irrigation canal
levee or something and digging into the side of that thing.
And these guys would be like, what's your dog doing. Man,

(01:56:09):
Let's say he's bringing you back a present. No, you
know what he was doing. No, he was digging in.
And he would come back with the biggest prairie rat
or mouse he could find and drop it at your feet. Live,
just still live. He's dropping at your feet like he
would a duck or a goose. And I would try
to set it up where he'd beat somewhere close to
one of my hunters when he did it, because they

(01:56:30):
wouldn't know what was going on, and they'd see this
big giant rat, big as a twenty ounce beer can
fall out in front of him and start running. Oh
that's hilarious, man, he did that every time. It was fun.
Many great dogs.

Speaker 15 (01:56:44):
Did you ever hear anything like that?

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Dout it out?

Speaker 4 (01:56:47):
I always just on the BEGNDS. I'm always.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
Thanks man. Well, I know I got a lot of
guys who have labs that are listening right now. Maybe them,
maybe one of them knows something. We'll figure it out, Matt. Yeah,
thank you for the call, man, I appreciate you listening
to audios. Wow, dove hunting a little jumpy duck hunting
still as a rock. I can't figure out why the

(01:57:13):
dog would do that. It wouldn't It couldn't be that
it's gun shy, because especially duck or goose hunting, there's
plenty of noise, and the dog was steady as steady
as a statue, apparently. But then in the dub field
it's moving. It's side step in eight or ten steps.

(01:57:33):
Somebody's got to have a theory on that. I'll think
of something between now and tomorrow. Maybe we'll figure it
out for matt.

Speaker 5 (01:57:41):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
Matthews is coming up? Is he coming in? Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:57:45):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
I don't have to clean up so fast and get
all my stuff out of the way. So where is Dan?
Today's at home? Okay? Well so yeah, I got his
feet propped up. You there, Dan? What's up, buddy? How
you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:57:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Take your time, man, there's no need to rush this Saturday,
clearly not at this point. You and I've figured you'd
be out and enjoined some free food somewhere again.

Speaker 17 (01:58:06):
You know, I mean your lips to God's ears. Soon enough,
I'm sure, And this would be a great weekend to
do it too. I mean, we're already in the springtime weather.
That that golf weather man.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Oh baby, it's time, isn't it. Holy cow? What we
need to do, Dan, is find a place where we
can both broadcast live. I'll take the breakfast shift, you
take the lunch shift. I like it.

Speaker 17 (01:58:27):
I like it. I think that's good. And you know,
soon enough, the days will get longer, so we don't
have to be due busters on the course and we.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Can get out there after I finish up at noon.
All right, pardon it sounds good to me. I'm getting
out of here, get outside, have some fun today.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Stay safe.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
Dan Matthews is next on Sports Talk seven ninety audios

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