4.25: Shedeur Sadness - Hour 2

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
All right, let's get it started. Our number two here
on a Friday afternoon. It is also day two of
the NFL Draft, and obviously there's a lot that goes
into the first round. It's its own event, and it's awesome.
Last night was awesome, and I really don't think that
there was any real big stunner. I mean, I guess
shad Or Sanders not being taken, that's probably the biggest

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talking point as far as I guess the surprise in
the eyes of a lot of people, And I don't
really think it's that that shocking. And it's not even
necessarily just about him. It's just that if shad Or
Sanders was shoud Or Coffee, and you know, he was
in the mix as one of the top five quarterbacks
in this draft, just because you know that alone. It

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wasn't anything to do with the Dion and the Colorados,
because people act like that hurts him without any realization
that he wouldn't even get the hype that he gets
and the attention that he gets if he wasn't Dion
Sanders' son, Like that's I mean, he also was the
starting quarterback for a team just a year ago, not
this past year, but the year before it was awful.
And most guys who you know, have an awful team
and you're the guy leading at quarterback like that would

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be held against him. So what I'm getting at is,
take away the Sanders component of it, the prime component
with the way everybody views this as a pretty weak
quarterback crop if it was, you know, any regardless of
who it is, the fact that there was just two
quarterbacks taken that more so speaks to you, is that, Yeah,

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the NFL is telling us that all the noise around
this just being not a great group of quarterbacks in
this twenty twenty five draft, they agree, meaning you know
the NFL. So I think early on, I mean, I guess,
I guess maybe you know, it was a big shocker
to see that the Jaguars traded up to get Travis Hunter.
And I give them credit for making a big move

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because what do they have to lose? Oh, they get
it wrong, and maybe they continue to be irrelevant. They've
been irrelevant for ninety eight percent of their existence. It
seems like maybe that's an exaggeration. But like the Jaguars
took a chance, they gave up a lot of future picks,
but they also did it for a guy that Yes,
there's still clearly some concern. Okay, he's a super gifted,

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talented guy that is just special in that regard, just
some god given ability that a lot of people don't have.
And he's good at playing both the defensive back and receiver.
But maybe he's not elited either, Like if that's the concern,
I mean, I think the Jaguars have shown us that
they believe in his ability and really the way he
carries himself, the way he I mean, I've been really

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impressed with him.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
I think he's a really likable guy.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And I think that's saying something because I don't think
Colorado in any way is really likable.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
And not to say they don't have fans.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
And yes, I've admitted I'm a hater, but let's not
act like when Dion Sanders was losing games by you know,
three touchdowns. Even if he didn't say it out loud,
I know a lot of people enjoyed it because it's
just human nature. Somebody that is so arrogant that talks
and is so cocky without really any results as a
coach to show for it. Like when they whenever they,
you know, get humbled, you feel like, okay, yeah, you

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deserve that. Now. I don't think it's possible to humble
Dion or shit or I just don't know if that's
I don't think it's something that could be done. Although
I will say I thought the video that Chad or
posted or the video that was that was that was
out there from him talking after his draft party where
he didn't get taken. I mean I thought he handled
it about as good as you as good as you can. So,
you know, with all that said, Dion coaches as if

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his accomplishments as a player, his accomplishments as a hype man,
his accomplishments as an entertainer, like he happens to think
that that warrants him, like to be put up on
a pedestal as a coach when it has nothing to
do with it. I mean, I remember last year when
he acted as if somebody needed to be thrown in
prison because they didn't rank him as one of the
best coaches in the Big Twelve, whenever he'd only coached

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one season of Division one football and he went three
and nine or four and eight whatever. It was like
he thinks that everything he's done as a player, which,
by the way, he was special.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
He's a gifted, gifted guy in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Again, when I say hype man, I'm not that's not
an insults. I mean he's gifted at that, he's got
the juice. But as a coach, you know, he did
take a big step forward this past year. But it'd
be easier to acknowledge that and really prop that up
if it wasn't for the fact that Colorado Dion specifically,

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they carry themselves as if they've got six rings and
got they got to put two of them on one
finger because there's just there's not enough fingers, too many rings,
because all they do was win, when in fact they don't.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I mean, it was a sight to behold.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Whenever they would get they'd beat down big time in
some games, and they'd still be chesty and yapping at
the other team. Is if they're not getting their brains
beat in like it, it's fascinating to me. So anyways,
that's probably the biggest talking point. Travis Hunter ended up
getting taken second and he was the Jags traded up

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to get him, as well as only two quarterbacks being
taken shit or not being one of them, and Jackson Dart.
I mean, they looked like everybody was well aware that
the Giants I guess didn't you know even before the
GM's teenage son leaked the pick on social media. It
seemed as if there was enough buzz out there that

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they were going to make that move and take Jackson
Dart and they did exactly that.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
So look, maybe they're wrong, but can you think.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Of a quarterback Austin, but you felt like, man, that guy,
I mean, I don't know what people see, that guy's
going to be a bust and it ends up really
really working out. And you were wrong because to me,
I really felt like Jayden Daniels was gonna be was
going to be, you know, not a bust, but like

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I had no clue he was going to be as
good as he was in his first year. Yeah, he
had the best rookie quarterback season in my lifetime.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I liked, uh, yeah he did.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
I liked that Jayden Daniels also felt what you felt
about Jay Daniels about bo Nicks, and he totally made
me prove it wrong. But it feels like everything that
I watched, or the only thing that I cared about watching,
because I didn't watch Oregon a whole lot, was his
biggest thing is it's just a lot of under stuff,
a lot of quick passes, get it out, under slants.

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Everything's quick. There's not like a whole like developing. It's
not like the West Coast spread pro style offense that
they run at Oregon that translates to the NCAA.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
But no, I was wrong, Bo Nicks. Bo Nicks is
actually yeah, I like the Broncos this year.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know somebody else who I thought was just to me,
They did kind of scream bust. And maybe it was
more so just because it was harder to really get
a feel for guys who were wrapping up their college
career during the pandemic in that twenty twenty one season.
But I thought for sure that who's the quarterback of
the Chargers?

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Who justin Herbert?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, like I thought.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
First of all, I thought he screamed bust and he
had a good start. But I think at times now
people are realizing I'm not here in trust me.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
This isn't me saying that I'm here for that.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm not saying that I was right all along that
he was a bust, but I do think the early
love that he got maybe it was warranted. But like
I think people are now realizing that he's fine, but
like he's not really special, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah, I'm here for all the Justin Herbert slander. I
think he's a fine player too, but like everybody has
always carved him out as if there's one guy that
you can start your franchise over with, obviously it's it's
my homes Burrow and then they just always throwing it's
justin Herbert's always in that conversation, and like he's just
like this elite molded after quarterback. And I think he's fine,

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but I just don't see him as God's gift like
a lot of other NFL fans seem to.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, he's talented, he can make plays, he has shown that,
but here we are many years into his career. He's
still young, but I mean he's been in the league
for at least four years now, and yet he hasn't
really done anything, you know what I mean, Like nobody's
I mean, it's not like all the guys thinks, but
like he hasn't really done anything, and he's had some
games where they were big games, and he's not only
not done anything, he's in fact played poorly, like in
Benefactor in some of their losses. So you know, you

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never really know. I mean, I'm trying to think of
guys who everybody thought, there's no scenario they're not really
good as because here's what happens. We tend to by
the time a lot of these guys, not all of them,
Like when Joe Burrow went number one, the reality is
none of us knew how it was going to work out,
but he was. He was getting all the love right,
and it's worked out. He's been phenomenal. But a lot

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of the a lot of the quarterbacks that aren't in
that position, like the Cam.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Words or the or the Joe Burrows.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
You know, you end up getting to draft night and
realize they've kind of been like broken down, like everybody
they they've decided. You know, it's a roller coaster, right,
you love them, then we don't like them, then you
love them again, and then yeah, I don't know, I
don't know if I'd have taken it in there.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
So like, you never really know.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But one thing that is evident is that NFL teams
cannot help themselves in most instances as far as just knowing, hey,
that's a really important piece to your franchise, your quarterback,
and you know you'll fall in love with a quarterback
as a GM or really maybe just your front office
in general, maybe even a head coach, because those guys
clearly have some maybe maybe not all of them, but

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there's some coaches that have a level of influence on
what's what's what's done when it comes to the draft.
But like, you fall in love because you want to
fall in love, not because it's genuine, you know what
I mean, Like, you know, it would be really nice
to have this man, I really love to have a companion,
a girlfriend, somebody to kind of share my life with.
And who knows, maybe we date for a while and
we become, you know, pretty serious, and we have a

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real life together in a family.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like that's that's the dream for people.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
But like, sometimes you get to the point where you
just want that relationship in that situation so much that
you that you don't even really focus on the individual.
Are they the right one to do that with? Or
are you just saying, hey, you know, I'll I'll ignore
or maybe be in denial about some potential flaws, some
potential issues that we could have together. But I just

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want someone so bad that like, I'm going to force
it to work. And that's what happens. I think with
some of these NFL teams when they drafted quarterback and
I just turned the NFL draft quarterback conversation into the
Doctor Philshaw feel.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Like, but you know, I think people, I think people
get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, So the Vikings on fire?

Speaker 4 (10:40):
How do you?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
How do you? How do you evaluate what they did
last night?

Speaker 5 (10:43):
They they got the guard from Ohio State. I liked
it at first, and I think I still liked it
because they've fully have addressed everything that I've wanted to
the last couple of years, and especially after watching the
Super Bowl, like, beef up your offensive line, dude, I'm sorry.
They took a lot from the Colts. They took Wolf
Fries and Brian Brian, Brian Kelly, Ryan Kelly for me, Yeah,

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it works for me. Ryan, I'm pretty sure it's Ryan Kelly.
But and they beafed up. They beat up their their
interior offensive line. They already have two stud tackles with
Brian O'Neil and Christian Darisol got hurt last year, but
as regarded as one of the best left tackles in
the country or in in the NFL. But also since
they talked about it, New York trading back into the

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first round literally right after their pick, and they gave
up a first round for next year's so that makes
me think that that offer was possibly on the table
for the Vikings and they don't have another pick till
the third round. They're pretty low one picks this year,
so I thought you could have probably snagged him in
the second round. But also reports come out that they
were possibly He also blocked for CJ. Stroud a couple

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of years ago, so they were possibly afraid that the
Texans could go up and snag him.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
But at the end of the day, I'm fine with it.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Uh, It just it just would have been It just
would have been one hell of a package if you
would have just taken what the Giants have given you.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, I think when you trade up to get somebody,
I mean, look drafting, I mean, anytime you spend a
first round pick on somebody, you you you love that
guy because because you've got to believe I mean, yes,
you're not settling in the hurst times, you're not settling
in the first round, like you know in your mind
this is now. Maybe you end up not getting the
guy you thought you you thought you would get at

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that spot because somebody took him. But the NFL, I
would imagine there's rarely a scenario to where you're having
to make a pick and you realize every single player
that you had in the mix at that spot is gone.
I mean, I guess it could happen, but like you
should always be prepared to know where you're going if
this guy's not available, if that guy's not available. But
there is something that if you trade up, it is it.

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I mean there's no hiding it. You you are you
love that player, you know what I mean, Like if
you are a and that it's an obvious thing. But man,
I really was impressed with with with night hearing Travis Hunter.
I mean, it was the interview kind of led to it,
so it wasn't like he went out of his way
to do it. But he's done multiple interviews as you
could expect since being drafted with the second pick. But

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he keeps emphasizing that that team traded up to get him,
and again, it's a no brainer. If they trade up,
that means they're not going to risk you falling or
not following them. They're not going to take that risk.
Maybe they feel somewhat certain that you'll be there, but
they're not going to take that chance because they want
you so bad, they're going to give up other things
to make sure they get it. But like he seems
to really emphasize, like they didn't just want me, they

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traded up to get me, And again, like I just
feel like he's mature to where he understands, like, you know,
any team would be lucky to have me. But also like, man,
this team really showed me they wanted me. They weren't
going to risk me slipping, you know, to wherever the
DAGs were picking. I don't remember what it was. So,
you know, trading up again. For some reason last night,
it really stood out to me that you know, there's

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no like, there's no scenario where you could try to
sell anybody that you know you weren't totally all in on,
said player. If you've given up things in the future
just because you're not willing to risk them not being
there when you were taking your you know, your original pick.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I would say, also just because I'm a sucker.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
And this this just goes back to my compulsive need
for wanting me to be like, see they're talking about
my team. See they're talking about my team because I
like that. Who's not a fanatic if you don't like
when your team is a center of attention on TV
and a crowdfull of other KANDA teams like, all right,
let's go ahead and hype me up a little bit.
And this goes back to the problem yesterday that we
were talking about most of all of ESPN and sports.

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So like when you're watching on the ESPN feed last night,
you're seeing that the Vikings make this pick, they're hardly not.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Talking about them whatsoever. They don't even.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Show the the the picture of Donovan Jackson at home
like with his family and getting the pick or anything
like that. The Packers were a pick right before, and
they were doing like this what felt like a forever
ceremony that was going on, So like the Vikings were
shoved them between that and then once they got done.
That's when here comes to New York Team Trader back
into the first round. Let's talk about that. We're not

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even screw what the Vikings just did. So I'm like, oh, well,
you know that kind of sucks because that's at the
point where the four letter network is at when it
comes to that coverage, because they didn't break, they didn't
give like the guy turning around and tossing the football
up slowly while they have mel Kiper just rave over.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (15:18):
No, mel Kiper is still there at ESPN, right, I
can't think so and so like while they have him
rave over.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, there were so many different types of coverage for
the draft too, Like you had the ABC, which was
like the emotional family component. Yes, you had the college
football talking heads for ESPN their coverage of it. Then
you had the NFL people. But have you ever once considered,
man that the reason, Like, when's the last time there
was a whole lot of attention leading up to the draft,
during the draft, or even after the draft. When it

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comes to the Chiefs or the Eagles, they're good. Any
draft pick they get that works out. Just an extra topic, right,
Like the Vikings had a phenomenal year last year. Yeah,
the biggest storyline for them is that they let they
let him, they let's Donald go and they and they're
now embracing the guy they took it quarterback, So you know,
but outside of that, like it's a good thing if

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you're not being like you're if you're not interesting on
draft night as a franchise had a good thing ninety
nine percent of the time, it's because you're not desperate
to get players out of college to fix your broken franchise. Yeah,
you're already good. And the Vikings are in a great spot.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Again.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It kind of fell apart late and I know the
ending of the season was pretty sour, but like they
got it. They got some good components to where like
they should. Like it's another thing about McCarthy. He didn't
have to be great. I mean, hopefully he is for
the sake of the Vikings and he can't be terrible,
Like he can't be a huge liability. But man, they've
got a good play caller, they got a good defense.
I mean, they're they're in a good spot.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Yeah, when when they lost to what well, first of all,
when they lost they got absolutely blitzed by the Lions
and they lost and had to go to the wild
card to go play the Rams. The week right afterwards,
and I don't think either of those two they just
blitzed and they took over that offensive line. Sam Donald
got sacked like thirteen times in like two different games. Again,
they think he got sacked nine times in that Rams game.

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So the Vikings game plan just going in there just
like we're going to make sure that this doesn't happen
with our new quarterback that we have a lot of
faith and so I'm I'm.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Happy with that. So we'll see, We'll see what they do.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
And uh, you know, I'm always fine with them wanting
to protect their investment.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Look, I I'll admit I've been so out on my
Colts really just with the just just just the the
overall it. I Mean, there's just not good energy within
that organization right now because you've got Ballard and Hearsay
acting like everything's all right. We don't know what everybody's
upset about. Pat McAfee, who I actually at times kind
of think is a clown, but but he is somebody

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that was a part of the winning culture that the
Colts had, and he's somebody that I don't think he
was doing this for attention. I think he's seeing these
guys carrying themselves as if they were a part of
a you know, as if they have the results that
Peyton and the gang had when any pactlets were good. Yeah,
he cares about the Colts, no doubt. So like, and
then you've got players with the Colts like wanting to
fight McAfee like he's you know, he's he's created drama whenever.

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All he's doing is like acknowledging that things aren't great,
you know, so much so that your franchise quarterback. I
can't say that without laughing. You know, he's pulling himself
out of games in the fourth quarter because he's tired,
and then he tells the media that in the press
conference like that really happened. So anyways, last night, I'm
fine with their pick. You know, I think they got
a really good tight end and Tyler Warren, and I
think tight in positions clearly valuable. But you know, I

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thought to myself, Okay, buddy, get ready to catch eight
yard passes that are going to be thrown at you
at five hundred miles an hour coming from Anthony Richardson
mister AR fifteen. But then I thought, okay, actually no,
he'll probably not be our starting quarterback. It'll probably be
Daniel Jones, who we paid too much money to get.
I mean, we're a joke, and you know, I it'd

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be one thing if I could if I mean, they're
in such a bad division, although I don't know, maybe
maybe the division improves, but let's be real, like they
they could be a terrible team and finish good enough
in their division and their conference to where they will back.
They'll be back in the same spot right picking at
number thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and that'll leave them continuously in

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this same existence, which yeah, it could be worse. But
sometimes to get to the top or at least make
a big push to grow, you have to be bad.
And they won't commit, and they are bad, but they
won't commit to being bad enough. They won't embrace letting
it just kind of fall apart so that they can
they can regroup. They'll be in that range of like

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barely making the playoffs or barely missing it and looking around, like,
what's everybody upset about? We weren't the worst team in
the league. And it's like they didn't even like Peyton
Manning and even Andrew Luck for a while, like the
Colts had some respect about them, and they're not the
like they want to live in a world where like, hey,
we're not the worst team, everybody should be happy. Like no,

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like not at all. But again, I don't nobody cares
about the Colts.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Let's take a break.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
We'll talk on the other side about the quarterbacks that
are gonna probably be taken tomorrow or you know, tonight
and certainly tomorrow. But the latest mock draft, I like
this spot for Tyler Shuck if this is where he
ends up. And again, if this mock draft I'm looking
at is accurate, I mean kid should or Sanders fall

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to the third day, I mean possibly, I mean again,
I think just because of all the hype around him
and all the just just just always being talked about,
that would be viewed as like a real surprise, and
I'm sure he'll be painted as a victim if that happens.
But but you know, overall, I don't think it's that
surprising because one take away all the prime aspect of it,

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as far as just you know, the TMZ world that
those guys are in. Dion and his whole crew should
or was good, but like nothing that would warrant like
you got to take him in the top five. And
again this is you know, as much as I keep
gassing up Tyler Shuck and talking about how he could
really have a chance to, you know, make it work
in the NFL long term, I'm also willing to acknowledge

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one of the reasons why he's been able to really
emerge as one of the top five quarterbacks in this
draft is because, you know, no, no offense to him,
but this quarterback class sucks. I mean, that's that's the
way a lot of people view it, outside of.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Maybe cam Ward.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I mean, wouldn't be shocker if like there's one or
maybe no quarterbacks that in the long run, you feel
like we're guys that could change a franchise.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
All right, quick break, keep it locked right here.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
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Also listen live at seven ninety Louisville dot com. So
the the quarterback crop here obviously two quarterbacks taken, as
we've discussed, and I'd say it'd be a real stunter
if the next three quarterbacks, in no particular order are
Tyler shuck Shit or Sanders and Jalen Milrow. So there's
really not any specific analyst that puts together mock drafts

(22:19):
that I follow more than anybody else. So, you know,
the NFL dot Com, NFL network, this is the latest
that they have. This was put together just a couple
hours before the show started today.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
So again maybe it's.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Just purely guessing, but you know, maybe there's also some
intel that they have at the NFL network. But when
it comes to when it comes to QBS, the first
quarterback taken tonight, according to this mock draft won't be Shuck,
won't be Sanders, It will in fact be Jalen Milrow.
And they have him going at let's see where's he going.

(22:50):
I just saw it up here. Yeah, they have him
going number forty, which is early in the second round
to the Saints. Can hear that down?

Speaker 4 (22:58):
I didn't know it's still on.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Sorry, that's all good.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I never even know if anybody can hear it
other than me. But here's the thing. If I wore
if I wore the big cans on my ears like
you do, and I didn't wear earbuds, I probably wouldn't
hear the can because you don't.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
You don't hear it, right.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
No, I don't. I think it got fat fingered.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
That Yeah it's.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
The button.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
No, no, it was.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
It was really really low, and you know, I think
you can feel like the knob is all the way
down and it just again, it's a me thing more
than anything. Most people would notice it. And again I'm
not even sure it comes across the air. But because
trust me, there's a difference in wearing earbuds and wearing
headphones like you know, and everybody's got their own preference.
But for me, like any little any little Uh. You know,

(23:38):
I'd rather something be louder in my ear than just
that little that little because the little faint sound makes
me feel like, you know, I just makes me think
it's something else, experience that something, so I feel it.
You always go with the cans.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Right, always thought this is radio to me?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, I uh, And and trust me, I think I'm
one of maybe like three people that just has always
gone to earbuds if I can. Although John Alden started
doing it once we started working together, and then Venetti
now does it. But I think it's because he's going deaf,
Like he he wears these and he can turn the
volume down lower and still you know, because I think

(24:12):
if he'd continue to have it full blast with standard headphones,
I think at this stage in his career, he might
he might not be able to hear anything.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
It might be fully deaf.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
There are some people that don't even use the headphones,
like you ever see Gus do it. Gus doesn't even
use headphones. Just how do you strictly off the board.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I mean he's uh, he's a pro. Yeah, I mean
he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
And that is one thing though that anybody who's never
been live on the radio before or it always it
always stood out to me that they're not used to
hearing themselves in their own ear while they're talking. Clearly,
when you're speaking and you you could hear yourself talking,
I mean, that's that's a no brainer. But whenever it's
in your headphones while you're talking, it'll trip you up.
If you're not used to it, you clearly get used

(24:54):
to it. But anyways, Milroe going fortieth to the to
the Saints, which would be looks like the I guess
the seventh eighth pick tonight in the second round.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
And look, maybe I'm a hater.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Maybe I'm just thinking, like, you know, Shuck's way better
than this guy, shucks way better than Sanders.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
But like, I don't even I don't think I've heard.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Anybody talk about Milroe being like a guy worthy of
an early pick in the draft. I mean, and by
the way, second round is still an early pick. Let's
be real. So to me, this screams, I mean, this
to me screams the desperation that teams have to find
a quarterback. I mean, he's talented as far as just
you know, a big arm, big athlete and he's you know,

(25:33):
he's not bad, but I just I don't know. Like
if he got drafted in the sixth round, I would
have thought, Okay, yeah, that makes sense, but again, what
do I know? And then the next quarterback to be
taken after Milrow, according to the NFL Network's latest mock draft,
is in fact, the one and only Tyler Shuck and
they have him going to pick number fifty two to

(25:54):
the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I don't love the fact that.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
He would be in Seattle because I don't think that
their current coach, like I hear, here's the thing, I
don't think the coach they have is going to be
very good. I don't know that for certain, but you know,
to me, he's one of those guys that just you know,
was an analytics guy. And there's a lot of those
guys that have been hired and they've been successful. But
it just doesn't and I don't know, I could see
that not working out well, especially because they're trading all
their pieces, right, Like they got rid of Tyler Lockett

(26:18):
and who's the big giant they had a receiver, the
special athlete. Yeah, he's now in Pittsburgh. So like if
Shuck's there and they do throw him out there early, like,
I don't really know what he's got to work with,
but he is from the West coast. Maybe he'd be comfortable.
But you know, Seattle's a team that did a lot
of folks think might take a quarterback. And then as
it looks here, I mean, I'm trying to see where

(26:39):
they even have Sanders going in this one, and look,
they could be wrong. Maybe Sanders is the first guy
taken the night. Who knows, but it looks as if, yeah,
they've got him going. Well, here we go, third round.
Let's see if he's in the third round. They had
they had it on I thought they had both rounds.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
On the same page.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
They did not.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
But SHADOORA.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Sanders is taken at pick number sixty seven by the
Cleveland Browns. That's the fourth pick in the third round.
And maybe maybe that's right. But I thought when I
was listening to Rich Eisen and Kyle Brandt earlier, they
made a good point that if the Browns liked Shadoor Sanders,
they would have taken him like he would have been

(27:16):
off the board. Maybe this here, this scenario would tell
you that they liked him, but not enough. And then
they thought, okay, yeah, we wouldn't take him in the
first to the second, but we need a quarterback, and
you know what, like we'll take him the third because
that's a different And again, it is a different world
when you invest a first round pick compared to a

(27:36):
third round pick. I mean it's just you know, two
picks apart. You only draft. You know, if it's a
standard draft with no trades, then you only have seven
of them, but seven picks meeting. But yeah, I mean,
let me ask you this when it comes to because
I was watching the draft with some buddies last night
and the they're Bengals fans, so clearly they view the Browns,
you know, as bums, which you know, for good reason.

(27:58):
The Browns for the most part have always he has
been bums. But their initial reaction when the trade took
place and Travis Hunter thought he was going to Cleveland
and then realized he was going to Jacksonville, that like
he got so lucky, like, oh, he's going to avoid
Cleveland and he gets to go to Jacksonville. And I'm
thinking Cleveland as a city is not great in like weather, right,

(28:21):
but like Cleveland is a humongous market. Jacksonville, outside of
Green Bay is the most obscure market in pro sports,
especially the NFL. Yeah, because Jacksonville doesn't have any other
pro team.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
It's I mean, they honestly don't even care about the Jaguars.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
No, they've been around long enough to where, like you know,
they're not new by any means. But if you really
give it some thought, it is crazy that Jacksonville, Florida
has an NFL team. Like, he doesn't make any sense.
I mean, if they're worthy of NFL team, we are,
I mean, and we don't need one. I mean, I'd
love to have one, but like that's not some people
are talking about. So I actually think Travis Hunter. To me,
there's a little bit of like Zion and Zion got

(28:57):
hurt a lot and hadn't played, so it didn't really
like it didn't really regis like it doesn't really add
up now. But I was devastated for Zion when he
went to the Pelicans because that's just an irrelevant market
that like, you know, he'll bring them attention, but nobody
cares about the Pelicans. Nobody cares about Jaguars, right, Like,
and you know he is from Florida and he'll be
in his home state. But like, I actually think if

(29:19):
you're somebody that cares about and this is why, like
Tavis Hunter, I don't think he cares about what market
he's in. I think he wants to win. I think
he's a competitor. I think he wants to you know,
win football games and be successful. But you know, this
is a business, this is your job. And even though
Cleveland is viewed as like a dump, to quote joke
Im Noah years ago in the NBA playoffs, I mean,

(29:40):
who goes to Cleveland? Like you ever heard anybody say
we're going to Cleveland for vacation. No, that was Jokim
Noa when he was on the Bulls making fun of
the Calves.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
And he's right.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
But Cleveland's a big market and they have a humongous
fan base that cares. Like, yeah, they can say what
you want about the Browns. They have a massive fan base.
And I learned this about them when I was listening
to whenever I would as you know, before I could
make this my job my.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Career, I listened to a lot of sports radio across.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
The country just because you know, I was obsessed with
it and there was a show in Cleveland. I became
a really big fan of and I learned that Cleveland fans,
I guess, to deal with their existence and to maybe
numb the pain. Nobody makes fun of themselves better than
Cleveland fans, you know what I mean. So, like, you know,
I kind of found them to be a little bit
endearing because yeah, I mean the Browns, like we all know,
Like that alone tells you. I mean, they're the Browns,

(30:26):
but you know they know that and they care and
they're passionate. Like I think Jacksonville could be good, and like,
I'm not even sure it'll really matter a whole lot
to that city. I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration because
you know, clearly they have fans, but like, I don't know, Like,
he'll be fine if he's good, because if you're good,
you make plays and your team wins. That's all that matters.
But I do think some players would have really looked

(30:49):
at it. Really, their agent probably more than anything, would
have been like, man the value because again think about
like again.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
If he's good, it'll all work out.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
But Dak Prescott, do you know how much money he
makes just because he's the quarterback for the freaking Dallas Cowboys.
I'm just kidding. He's not good. I mean, like he's
not that good. He's fine, but like he clearly has
a big contract. But like the Cowboys are the biggest
brand in pro sports, maybe of any in America. So

(31:20):
just because you're the quarterback of the Cowboys, you're gonna
get endorsements, you're gonna be like, you're gonna be highly
highly publicized. The ceiling as far as marketability in Jacksonville
is just a lot lower. I mean, yeah, you can,
you can get you you can be all over the billboards.
You can have deals with with big businesses, big big
money people in Jacksonville, and you know it'll it'll, you know,

(31:42):
you'll you'll make money.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
But like they're like GM like look like he's eighteen.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, Like let's say, like, let's just say, you know,
the biggest endorsement, advertising partnership deals for the for the
best player for the Cowboys compared to the same thing
for somebody with the Jaguars. We're talking about living in
vastly different neighborhoods. I mean, and again we're talking about
one extreme.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
To the other.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
But like Jacksonville, they're just irrelevant. Like nobody thinks of
Jacksonville ever. The Browns, you know, like they're they're they're
relevant to an extent just because of like they're the joke,
but like they also like you can just tell brown
there's a ton of Browns fans right like, and they
care even though they're you know, Tom's They've been pretty
you know, they've been pretty sad about, you know, everything

(32:26):
for good reason.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
But like if I was, if I.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Was Travis Hunter, I would you know, I'd like to
think I would have the maturity to embrace wherever I'm going.
I'm gonna give it my all and hopefully we win
and they'll all work out, because I believe in myself.
But like I actually don't actually thought Cleveland, Like there's
an aspect of the Browns that if he went there,
there would be a lot of attention because of the
two things. Right Like, man, the Brown's got Travis Hunter.
Let's see how they screw this up because they got

(32:51):
a special player. But the Jaguars, like the Jacks could
suck and he could be elite and everybody will say, well, yeah,
what did you expect? It's the do you know what
I'm saying? I do Uh I do Liam Cohen, I
mean like that he's weird, that awkward, like serial killer type.

(33:12):
So as soon as they traded up, like everybody's sharing
that video, and it reminded me how like I wanted
to go crawl in a corner and cry, like that's
it's a painful, awkward, self like secondhand embarrassment thing, right.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Everyone from the coach him or Liam Cohen, the coach.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Oh, the GM, and the g GM's in second grade.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
He's he's like thirty years old. He's just he's like
a couple of years older than the guy that they
just drafted. And they're ran by well they're ran by
Tony Kahan's dad.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
So and by the way that the spars money. Tony
CON's got enough money to where maybe they'll all work out.
But Javis, right, have you seen their boat? Dude?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Oh dude, he's loaded.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
But but anyways, like if you look at it again,
you shouldn't let looks tell the story, but like look
at the young GM who looks like he's still in
high school. And then you just just show the clip
of of In doing the duval chant or the du
duvall saying, and you would just say, like Yeah, there's
no way this.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Is gonna work out.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I mean we could be wrong, like it looks for you,
but still like I don't know the Jags or you
know the Jags. Yep, quick break quick, we'll come back
on the other side. Keep a lot right here on
Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
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Speaker 2 (34:26):
All right, we wrap it up the four o'clock hour
here on a Friday, getting you set for the weekend.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
This week went by really fast, which it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Right, We're all working to get to, you know, this moment,
the weekend, and it's five till five, so I'm sure
there's many that have already started their weekend. There's some
that'll get it started here soon. And you know, I
take I take pride in that being able to you know,
for those of you that do choin the dude, join
us and choose to be a part of this experience
that is Coffee and Company. If we're getting into the weekend.

(34:52):
I mean, that's not something I take lightly. That's something
that's a that's a big responsibilities and not austin. I mean,
we've got a duty to get them off to a
good start, to get the weekend going.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
We want to get them in everywhere, but the weekend's
more important, no.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Most important.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
And we've had some pretty crappy weather the last couple
of days, but I do believe tomorrow is expected to
be uh pretty perfect. Actually, I mean, you never know
what to expect. Last week, I believe we thought we
were going to get a lot of rain. Yeah, and
it and it worked out well. So maybe maybe we're
we're due for some some sloppy weekend weather. But with
all that said, I would I would sacrifice some wet
weather this weekend if it means we don't get wet

(35:25):
on Derby.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
That's what I was about to ask. Do we know
the seven day forecast? Shit? Usually they're on it by now.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, I mean, let me ask you this. I just
it's not because I'm pessimistic by nature. I mean I
am at times, although I'm getting better at that.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I just don't know. It makes me very cynical towards
the weather.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
But I actually just now expect that we're going to
not get good weather on Derby. And I don't I
can't tell if that's my processing it so I can
prepare for the worst hope for the best, because I
do think that's a good way to approach a lot
of things. It helps you, it'll help you, you know,
avoid being super let down. And it also you know,

(36:00):
it can make it even more excitingly if you get
good weather, if you've just been assuming it was going
to be terrible, then it'll feel you know, it's that
unexpected joy of because that's what last week was, to
be honest with me, I thought it was gonna rain
all weekend and it was going to impact the Easter
egg hunts for Easter, and it was gonna impact my
daughter's baseball game, and it worked out well. So yeah,
it looks like next next Saturday of next year, next
Saturday we are expected to have. Right now, it says

(36:25):
seventy five degrees and mostly sunny with a twenty three
percent chance of rain, but during the day, mostly sunny, skies,
high neer seventy five. Somebody, somebody spank me, I mean
that's I mean, could that get better? Seventy five and
mostly sunny, and it.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Looks like it's literally gonna rain almost every day lead.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
And that's fine. Like again, Yeah, we'll sacrifice, is it?

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Like? I know a lot of people go out to
the track and you know they find their day. I mean,
I'm still a big Oaks guy.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
I haven't been to Oaks yet. That's the one I
haven't been to. Well, I'm going to five oh Tuesday
this year.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
So a lot of people say that Oaks, you know,
used to be the day for locals, and I'm sure
it was. But even from from my earliest time thinking
of Oaks, when I would go because that's our day,
like usually, I mean for years I've gone to Oaks
with my fan, with my wife and you know, we
don't ever I mean, I work Derby, but she doesn't
go to Derby. She's got Derby parties and I usually
end up joining her there. But Oaks has kind of

(37:20):
been our day. But I feel like even since we've
been doing that well over ten years, I've just known that, yeah,
it's not going to be a super local day and
it's going to basically be just a light version of
Derby because it's still pretty crowded. And then you know,
you had Therby, but now Therby apparently has become too
corporate and to you know, to like does Louisville still
have a day they do five oh Tuesday, which I

(37:41):
think like a lot of folks are like now embracing
that is the locals day. But if you really think
about it, I mean Tuesday on it's especially if there's
good weather, it's really crowded and you may not realize it,
but there's people there all throughout the week that are
that are not local because that's what that's what Churchill
Downs during Derby Week does. That's one of the things

(38:02):
that I really I just felt dumb, and I feel
dumb a lot in life. You know, I have moments
where I'm like, man, you really are a real special dumbass.
I mean it's not like, you know, not a daily thing,
but trust me, I've had moments and this is one
of those moments. Whenever I started doing the annual interviews
at Churchill Downs, talking to folks you know that are
there and bringing interviews back and being a part of

(38:22):
the Derby coverage that we have on eight forty whas
you know, I'd say like nine out of ten people
that I talked to are not only not local, they're
not from anywhere around here. And I think just because
Churchill Downs has always been here.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
It's home for us.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
And a lot of times when I would go to
Churchill Downs, you know as a kid, it wouldn't be
during Derby. It would be just you know, one of
the one of the days of the races. Like we
still go, Like we love going a lot when it's
like it's just the fall meat or you know whatever,
Like Derby's great, everything that comes with it, it's awesome,
but I actually enjoy going when it's not a big
event and there's just not as much people and you know,

(38:57):
for me, I can take you know, my son is
obsessed with horse rays, so like he gets a little
more access and he gets closer to stuff. So, you know,
just because it's ours and it's been here forever. I
never really had the awareness that when you look at
Churchill Downs on Derby Week, especially Oaks and Derby, the
vast majority of the folks that are there are not
from here. They're there just because of that and that's special.
Like we haven't and again I've known, I don't think
you can be from here and not know how big

(39:18):
the Derby is. But whenever it just you kind of
get used to it and it's just you know, like,
I don't see we take it for granted. I think
we know it's special, but man, I mean we're talking.
I mean I remember I went three straight interviews a
few years ago, somebody from Amsterdam, somebody from Canada, somebody
from Puerto Rico, and like two of them so coo.
Like two of them they this was like the fifth
or sixth time they'd come. Yeah, the others it was

(39:39):
the first time and we weren't even having good weather,
and these people were like, this is so cool, and
it just made me, you know, it made me appreciate that. Like,
you know, I don't have any ownership of the Derby
or anything like that, but we do have, like, you know,
we do have something that's pretty cool. I mean, the
Derby is one of the biggest events in sports every year,
and there is there's a moment where for two minutes,

(40:02):
there's there's an insane amount of people watching that watching
a horse race that is taking place right here in
our in our city, and it's it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
I love the Derby. White.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
When I first got here, I said the same thing
about Thunder too. I just kind of didn't get it,
and then I kind of got boogie on it. I
got with the w I I got with the the
big wigs tags, and I've got to go down there
and cover it.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
And it is awesome. Yeah, I love being out there.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
It's I love dressing up, smoking a cigar with some
big wigs from all over the place where you say
Anstram someone from Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
The energy in this city during Derby season, not just
Derby Day or even Derby Week. It's it's special. But
I just kind of feel like we didn't. It snuck
up on us this year. And I know a lot
of people keep saying, oh, it's because thunder over Louisville
was was boat was canceled, and maybe that was a factor.
But again I've said this and this is just me,
Like I've never once looked, Okay, here we go thunders here.
Let's cause I've never I mean, I know that it's

(40:56):
a part of the Kentucky Derby Festival events, but like
I never even I never even the connection that like
we have thunder because of Derby, like you think it's.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Also because of weather related Usually we're kind of in
springtime and like, all right, it's starting to feel like
it's Derby time. But leading up to it was literally
a hurricane and we're doing and it's early May. Yes,
you know what I mean, like it's it's Easter was
so late too. I think that had a lot to
do with it.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And I kind of feel like we've mean, what was it?
Was it the Christmas season? We got robbed of like
a week of it just because of the way Thanksgiving
fell or something like, Yes, there was, there was something
that we talked about on the show.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Because we still had to come in Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, we didn't have we didn't have as much time
leading up to. I don't know what it's gonna Oh yeah, no,
it was. It was Thanksgiving, so Thanksgiving was later than
it usually is, I believe, which meant once you once
you turned the page from Thanksgiving, like we were a
lot closer to Christmas than we typically are because because
obviously Thanksgivings not on the same day. Thanksgivings on the
same day. It's just that Thursday. Yeah, so all right,

(41:55):
we got to get to a break. I'm sorry for
taking so long, but we've got our draft coming up
here before too long, and of course we'll reset some
things and get you set for a round two and
Round three Friday. You know, it's not the first round,
which of course gets most the attention. But I feel
like Friday is a sneak Friday Night of the NFL drafts,
a sneaky undervalued sports day on the calendar. So looking
forward to it this evening, So stick around, don't go anywhere.

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