April 15, 2025 • 40 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss some Bengals-related draft issues, with a focus on some specific positions, like guard and safety.
We also discussed the Bengals holding a fantasy camp for local players, a possible Madrid game, the likelihood of a Trey Hendrickson trade, the best place for a Cincinnati-based reality show, and why I'm naming my dog after Geno Stone.
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We also discussed the Bengals holding a fantasy camp for local players, a possible Madrid game, the likelihood of a Trey Hendrickson trade, the best place for a Cincinnati-based reality show, and why I'm naming my dog after Geno Stone.
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draft is now just nine days away and essential reading,
especially this week, because he does this. He does this
in a way that I think is more valuable than
any mock draft. You gotta read Paul Danner Junior, which
you should be doing every day if you're a Bengals fan,
and also checking out the Ground podcast. But uh, we
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are just flooded with mock drafts. I like what Paul does.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
He takes a look at all the critical positional needs
and breaks it down every single day. So we're two
days into this. We've looked at safety, we've looked at linebacker,
and then separately we've looked at guard. Go read those
pieces with three more days to come at the Athletic
dot Com.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
How's it going. It's going good, It's going good.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I like I like this this part of draft season
where we're almost there.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, when it's far.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Away and you know how many mocks and big boards
and like and scenarios you have to play out, it
becomes a little overwhelming. But when we when we're at
this point, it's like and the and we're close to
it actually happening. Like I get I get very excited,
and I love this. I love this time of year.
I like this week, and I like the draft. The
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two days leading up to it. I do what I
can to kind of tune it all out. Well, what
you're being given is lies anyway, smokes, smoke screens, lying season, right.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So you get everybody that's that's trying to get something
else out there.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I I yeah, know those days.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Are they're a lot to handle, but it's fun.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I like your approach, and as you can tell, I've
printed out parts one and two.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm surprised they still let you near the printer. After
the Beast came. I printed the beast.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It was nice.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Nobody said we have to have to talk or are
you gonna buy some toner. I hit print at three o'clock. Okay,
I walked out of the studio and it was done
printing at like five twenty two or something.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's perfect. Nobody said a word. So here's what I
like about your approach. Anybody can do a mock draft. Yeah,
I think what you do provides context, right, and that
to me is missing from not everybody, in fact, probably
not even most, but a lot of people who are
just working off a board and the rank and the players.
And so the Bengals are at seventeen, I'm taking the
seventeen best player or the our best guy at their
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biggest position of need. What I like about what you
do is it provides context, who's back with the team,
who signed long term, who's maybe got a contract expiring
at the end of this coming season. History, And then,
I think, more important than anything else, their way of drafting, which,
as you put is so well established and then you
try to find folks, You try to find players who
fit the kind of the way they do things.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, you got to you got to look at the history.
You got to look at the matchup. Maybe different if
you were in a place where they had, you know,
new gms and stuff every three, four.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Five years.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We know what's happening, like we know, you know, really
the variable this year is we know all about their
focus on defense, but how will Al Golden view things differently,
which is an interesting sort of bit of context that
adds into this. But other than that, we still we
do know we know their value of traits, We know
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how they have drafted specifically recently, going with these high
athletic profiles in recent years, and we know their you
on how desperate they feel like the situations are at
certain positions and the hole they might have a linebacker
and safety and guard, and how focused they are on that.
Like there's when you take all of that and put
it together, you can look at what's really important right
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now is looking at the draft contextually in terms of
if this then what It's one thing to say just
take a guy, but if you're doing it and then
know that that shorts you in round three that the
drop off is so steep. The difference between safety in
round one and safety in round three and four, or
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a different position, or the difference between edge rusher defensive
tackle in round one and edge rusher defensive tackle in
round three which is not as big. That matters. That
matters as part of the conversation. If they come into
this draft saying, these are the five boxes we want
to check. We can check them in any order. How
do we get the most value out of them? That's
the game they're playing now, they have their board, they
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know their needs. Where's the path that checks the most boxes,
that gets the most value out of out of all
of these picks. And you can say best player available,
and that's true in certain respects, but it's a matter
of the path that they want to take. And you've
got to understand what they like to do and what
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this draft presents to them.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So here, based on your work and understanding, you have
three more days of this. But based on your work,
here's where I have found myself. I have found myself
trying to convince myself that I could either get Xavier
Watts or Tate Ratledge at forty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, and going back.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And forth between who's more likely to be there and
I maybe this isn't how you draft, but as I'm
doing this because I'm the guy that wants a guard,
because I want to protect Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I want to build an elit offensive line.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So I go, Okay, man, if I can get Tate
rat Ledge, I think that'll satisfy me. And then I
can go after a safety in round one? But am
I sure he's going to be there? And then conversely,
I want a safety Xavier Wat's really going to be
there at forty nine and we're not gonna know. That's
the cool part of the draft, right, Like you might think, boy,
he's gonna be there and a team trades up and
scoops him up or whatever. But that's after kind of
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doing this with all the other draft information out there,
and then doing this with your exercise. I've been going
back and forth between those two players and trying to
determine which one is more likely to be there when
they pick at forty nine, and whichever one I land at,
I'll take another position. You know, at seventeen, who do
you trust more? Cody Ford or Geno Stone?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Cody Ford? Right, Yeah, you end up in this play.
I mean, that's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm not saying that that's the reason that you would
pick a certain way, but if you're weighing, well, I
mean to me, I just look at the state of
that guard position where Genostone, like I can see like
he's he's played well in the league before. Maybeah, he
played seemed to play better when things simplify at the
end of the year. Maybe him with al Gold, he
seemed to have the right attitude about things going into
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this offseason. Okay, if you're gonna buy, you're gonna buy
that Genostone could be that and you're just drafting a
backup for him.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
He is still here.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, man, I don't want to be talking about Lucas
Patrick and Cody Ford is your two guards? Like you
need someone who has start day one, And I think
you get that sense from the team that the understanding
of somebody who's gonna come in and be able to
start and raise the floor of this line on day
one is very necessary right now, more so than what
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feels like you know that that safety position, which it is,
but it's also it's also like we could go with
Genostone okay, whereas it's like you could go with Patrick
and Ford, Yeah, doesn't feel as good to me. And
so if you're talking about that, that number forty nine,
which is very which is obviously a pivotal spot in
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this draft for need, that's one where I look at
and nice man, there's a good grouping of offensive linemen here,
guard tak Gold, these types of guys that get one
of those and feel great about the state of your offense.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So here's what's happened at my house with Gino Stone.
We have a dog that we got in February of
twenty twenty four, so I think she is technically still
a puppy, and she's good at a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
She's not good at fetch. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And I commented to my wife when we were doing
this over the weekend, like just throwing stuff in the yard,
I said, she takes really bad angles. And as soon
as I said that, with her having no idea who
Genostone is, I think we're gonna call this dog, who
up until this point had been named Bella, I think
we're gonna have to start naming it Gino Stone because
she takes really bad angles at whatever she's chasing. So
(08:42):
we have Genostone the dog.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
The dog. That's not good. It's not good. Not good. Yeah,
I mean, you know that's fine. I think.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Do you remember how every week I would make fun
of IRV Smith and I would ask you, like, what
does he run like? Like a guy with a refrigerator
strapped to his back or guy who's wearing two left shoes.
I feel like we're doing gonna start doing the same
thing with Geno Stone, and perhaps should have started right
around a week five last year.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's it's possible.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I I I think that there's hope there.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I really do. I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The bottom line is, though, I keep going back to
the al Golden quote from Notre Dame about how the
way your secondary tackles is the soul of your defense.
And it really was poetic, really and it struck me
and I've had a hard time shaking it when I
think about Geno Stone tackling, you know. And so when
that's the case, that's why you know, you keep going
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back to, you know, whether we're talking about Starks or
Email Warrior whoever. In round one, replacing the soul of
your defense seems like it could be a thing that
could be that could be important to you and and
maybe that maybe it maybe it isn't, maybe it doesn't
end up going that way, But I do think that
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that's it has be part of the conversation right now.
But yeah, you don't want to be sitting here talking
about Gino Stone and you're gonna look at the dog
every time after a bad game and get mad at
the dog. Is not the dog's fault. It's a good dog.
He doesn't have to be good at everything. It's not
his fault. You made that comp.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Well, the poor dog is already having to learn a
new name, which is not easy, right, you know, with
Gino Stone Stony. Yeah, right now it's just Gino and
the dog is looking at us like that was Bella.
I've I've been Bella for the last you know, fifteen months,
and now you're throwing this at me, Like what am
I just because I'm bad at fetch?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, like that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But she takes really bad angles, and it reminds me
of reminds me of Gino Stone, also reminds me of
Germaine Pratt.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Maybe maybe Bella and or Gino just needs a new coach,
maybe needs proper training.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Maybe that was the problem.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Maybe it needs an al golden coming in here and
really take this thing seriously.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I want to ask you about something you wrote about
when writing about offensive Lineman.
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Speaker 4 (13:08):
You wrote about the Bengals being open to drafting a
different breed of offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They have a new offensive line coach, So what does
that look like?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I don't know. I mean one that is very familiar
with martial arts, right, I mean, we've got the strike system. Now, okay,
do you what do you know about the strike system?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I know, I don't know how to know it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, well, there's so I mean, Scott Peters kind of
invented It's.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's around the league. It's not like this is some secret.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But you know, if you have a guy who has
this specialty, and we've seen a couple of players who
would maybe be third or fourth round prospects that they've
brought in and who have a specialty in that. I
had Brandon Thorn on the podcast on Monday, who's an
awesome trench warfare and does all He's unbelievable in all
things offensive line. He was talking about the connection that
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some of those players that are there have with using
that system in college doing it really well, and how
maybe that could connect to a player that you spot
and look. I think Bengals fans to be sitting here
and say, yeah, try something different, Yes, how about a
new form of drafting development and strategy. I think that
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sounds great, And I think from my perspective, when you
look back at the very sad, ugly avert your eyes
list of their drafting history and offensive line that we
pull out this time every year, is yeah, maybe maybe
time for something different because you're you're taking players and
they're consistently not producing. I have a list in today's
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offensive line piece where it has rounds two through five. Okay,
and I pulled out all the AFC teams for reference.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You printed it out, Yeah, I mean, there it is.
And what have you gotten? I mean they and they
are at the very bottom in terms of of starts.
They only have one player they've drafted in the last
ten years in rounds two to five on the offensive
line who has started more than twenty games and he
got bench last year. And then you have a team
like the Denver Broncos who have what is it, two
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hundred and seventy three starts on the rookie contract. Out
of those guys, that's just the rookie contract starts and
you get five, six seven guys over ten year span.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That is so valuable.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You can't live that way where you're not getting anything
for offensive line play out of that portion of the draft.
And they've taken minimal swings, and in terms of the
higher value were they what two second or third round
picks Jake Fisher Court and that didn't go well. We
know how Jackson Carmen went. And if you need to
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take more swings, you need to be better at developing
them when they get here, and especially when you're talking
about where they're at financially right now, you have to
be better at that. And so trying something new, giving
a little bit more of an investment, being willing to say, look,
I know it hasn't gone oh, but we got to
do it again has to happen. Find the right guy,
own that evaluation, pick that guy get it right one time.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It can change a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It can change a lot, and they certainly need to
change the offensive line drafting that they've been doing over
the years and maybe this will be the time they
can go. You know, if you can have drafts where
you go mimes and a successful round two guard back
to back, you feel like you've turned over a leaf there.
And what's been such a big problence of this organization.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Well my thing and I talked about it with you
and Jay from the parking lot of a Starbucks on
the podcast last week, which, by the way, there's a
moment from last week's podcast that I need to play
on the air and I gotta get it to tear
and durn the break. But my take on the offensive
line is, and I you and I talked about this
right after they took mems last year. If you're ever
gonna put Joe behind any lead offensive line, you're doing
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it mainly through the draft. That doesn't mean you can't
supplement what you've drafted with a guy. But you know, hey,
if every three or four years we're just gonna sign
three or four offensive lineman number one, financially, it's different
than when they did that before the two twenty two season.
Number two that you just can't. So if you're ever
gonna build a top and elite offensive line, it's gonna
happen through the draft. So if I can get a
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guard in round one or two, I will feel like
they are starting. They are starting that process. That's the
road to having Joe Burrow play behind an elite offensive
line sometime while he's in his prime. We are on
that road. We are on that path.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, and think about and it's hard, I mean, asking
any rookie offensive lineman to come in and be great,
it doesn't happen hardly at all, to even be good.
I mean you're hoping for kind of average. And you
know what average would be if they got that out
of guard play, a significant improvement from last year right
where it was just awful in terms of specifically in
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terms of pass protection. So if you can get that
and have average to developing towards by January, you feel
like you're really finding a guy who's a sending and
he's playing next to Mims who could potentially be at
a Pro Bowl level this year, Like that's his arc
right now?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
God, do you feel great?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
You feel I would feel great about that line better
than I've probably felt about any line that they've had.
If you can, if you can say that when you
consider the level Orlando Brown was playing at what a
mimes can be. It's like, you know, even in Kris
as solid, if you can just get something that feels
like you're building something on the inside, it feels so
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much better.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You have emphasized their need more than others, I think
for not only a guard, but a swing tackle. Yeah,
and obviously that can be the same person. Are there
scenarios where those are two different people in the draft?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, I think you could see a double back on that.
You know, it's kind of like we were talking before
about the strike technique stuff, but you can find you
can do that. No one's gonna like this, but it
could look like twenty twenty one a little bit where
they did. They went second round guard, and they went
with Deontay Smith in the fourth round, more of a
developmental tackle who you would think maybe this year he's
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the fourth tackle, okay, and next year he's the swing tackle,
and then the year after that before they know Brown
can't come back. You feel like he's ready to be
a starter, and maybe that's a development that's a type
of career path you would expect out of a fourth
let's say, a fourth round pick that's in play for sure,
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because they need both those positions.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I think I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think a lot of people are going to balk
or are gonna go what are they doing because of
all the needs on defense.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
If in six picks they take two linemen, you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Know what if they got two starting guards out of that,
you know what I mean. Like, also, it's also worth it.
So many times we've done so many trends on the
double up trend in so many times the second guy
ends up better than the first guy, and that goes
across different positions. And so if it's somebody who like
almost all of these guys, it seems like the tackles
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have flexibility to play both positions. Maybe he helps you
now as even he gets in the middle of that
big mix of the battle position battle there and could
be a part of that. But I'm just saying, like
that absolutely could be two people. You absolutely could see
a double up because they have both of those spots
open on their roster right now. I guess you know,
(20:16):
I guess Cody Ford is your swing tackle right now.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean, they don't. They haven't filled that right and so.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
To me, it just add that to the list of
needs that they have to accomplish, which they just need
more picks mostly.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
All right, one other position I want to ask about,
and then a few other non draft related issues. Okay,
well one is somewhat draft related because it's Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Wait, I thought we were on a good run. I
was hoping that we weren't gonna have to talk about him. No,
it's okay, I'm happy to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
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or not they play a game in Madrid.
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If you've done ten minutes on that, we won't do. Tray,
I don't. I don't have ten minutes on that. I
would have a quick answer on that. And so so
if that's where we have to do, I'm here. I'm
here for you. Okay, thanks, if that's what is yet. Finally,
if this is what you need, I'm happy to do it.
And it's releve it's relevant again, you know it is.
It's relevant.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So here we go. It always is.
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Okay, was it the moment? Was it the end of
your was it the end of your segment? It was
right when you guys said goodbye to me?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Because I want to hear the epilogue of what
ended up happening next, because we you know, you checked
out and we went on recording. But I have to
imagine there was probably something that happened after that with me.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Potentially I wentn't, got a cup of coffee, Oka, drove
to work. Okay, good.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I'm glad to hear that nothing bad happened. Because I
was nervous for you.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I did not go into the establishment that I was
parked outside of. I instead went to the Dunkin Donuts
and Shell gas station, and I decided that if anybody
is looking for a reality show idea, that they could
set up a camera crew at that combined Shell, Popeyes
and Dunkin Donuts and just film. Yeah, there's a lot
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of stuff going on, a lot of stuff. So I
sort of felt like grabbing my phone and like popping
back in on the podcast to go, hey, guys, quick update.
I'm at Dunkin Donuts and Popeyes and Shell and there's
a lot going on here, and I just wanted to
let you know, but I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, if you ever try to go through the Duncan
Popeyes combined drive through that, Yeah, it's there's a lot.
There's a lot happening on the back side of the
building as well. But the funny it's really hard to
get in and out of onto a really busy roads.
You have, you have a lot of good people watching. Yeah,
you have a near accident every three yes, yes, every
three minutes. Yes, it's very problematic. And so I mean,
(24:47):
I know I know people that have gotten been running
and gotten hit by a car.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
There. Like, if anything could happen at any moment, I'm
with you. Set it up.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
There's a lot of stuff going on in that gas station,
parking lot, in the restaurant. I mean, there's just I
always thought that the best place to film a reality
show would be the Queen's Gate Marathon. I don't know, man,
that High Park at High Park, Dunkin Donuts, pop Eye Shell,
gas station. There's something there. Yeah. One more position you're
(25:15):
you're covering later in the week. You've done safety and
linebacker together. Day one, your sort of positional breakdown of
the Bengals going into the draft. You did offensive lineman
with a guard focus. Day two. Day five is going
to be skilled players. Give me a preview of what
the likely approach is going to be at running back.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Day three. Day three running back. I mean it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think I said this on one of the podcasts
last week. If I had to pick one beat on
a round position combo, it would be round five running back.
Really yeah, for a couple of reasons. One replicate Chase
Brown rights. The obvious is you're bringing in somebody you don't.
(26:03):
You don't need someone to come in and challenge Chase Brown,
right like they love Chase Brown, love Chase Brown. So
they are right. What I'm just saying, I mean, they
are very open about the fact they think he is
and will continue and will be great, and so they're
not looking, you know, an aggressive early move. While there
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are circumstances that I guess you could make that argument,
I don't think it's even a part of the conversation.
The depth of this running back class, I mean, it
is wild. There are so many in every flavor that
you could want. Where they're gonna find what they're looking
for available to them on day three most teams are
(26:46):
I mean, I just I interviewed Dane Brugler that'll be
on tomorrow's podcast just a little bit ago, and he
was saying, you know, I got thirty two draftable grades
on running backs, not every team is taking a running
back right he's so you're gonna see some of that
quality pushback. We're in round five. They might be getting
somebody they have a round three grade on, And you
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can do that and put that into the back of
the room. You're not using one of your higher need
picks and still get real value there. Somebody that can
give Chase Brown a breather can be up maybe maybe
the future, who knows whatever I mean, Chase Brown was
a fifth round pick two years ago. It all makes
too much sense, It fits too well to the entire
(27:29):
plan to say that that wouldn't be the direction they
could go because and I think a lot of teams
are gonna do this. You're gonna you're gonna see a
lot of teams, whether it be in around one or two,
have a running back that they love right there, that
man one of these top five running backs that are
on everybody's list here.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And be like, yeah, but what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Like how big is the gap between this and what
we would get in a round four or five. And
and because of the depth and because of the what
this league is where you find these guys all the time,
you know you can you can hit it a pretty
high rate. There's a lot of success stories in round five.
Kyron Williams, Chase Brown, Tyler al Jyear, Tyrone Tracy last year.
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These are all fifth round picks in the last couple
of years. So to me, that makes so much sense
that I think that's that's where running back ends up going.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
So you're gonna take a guard and maybe a swing
tackle and a running back for a team that's got
to repair their defense.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
They can need more picks, they need more picks.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Well, I mean, I think, you know, I I you know,
I think the swing tackle conversation is a little bit
of a luxury if the right guy is there at
the right spot.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I don't I don't think that is.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Necessarily a plan or path a but I think it's
in the conversation. But I think guard round two, running
back round five, and defense all around it. I would
say that'd be my most likely path to.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
See Today, the Bengals had their local workout for play
who went to area colleges and a number of them
who went to schools outside the Greater Cincinnati area but
played high school ball here. I think this is fantasy
camp for nine of those players. Yeah, did you cover
it or you there?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I was there. Anything could happen? No, Is that what
this says is a fantasy camp? Pretty much? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean it's not a long it's a half hour
workout in shorts and that's all they do. Thirty minutes
thirty minutes in shorts, right, and and like the little jersey,
that's it. There's no helmets, there's no I mean there's
no like it's a lot of like a cool T
shirt or something. It's just like a little it's like
a little workout. Well I think I don't know if
they get to keep the shorts in the jersey, but
(29:40):
you know, yeah, I don't know, it would be the
only reason to go. Yeah, I mean I think they
fantasy camp.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You get the pants, you get the berries, swag of
some sort I can't speak specifically on, like you know,
the the goodie bag that they get.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
They got a good bag of it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I mean there's something that they don't walk out of
it empty handed. You get a jersey, like like a
practice jersey. I this is where I should have been
really pinned down today. Okay, next year, next year, go
to the workout. And that's the story.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
What do you get for you get showing up to
Bengals fantasy camp for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I would hope that there's maybe a photo of them
in action, right, you know, they can blow up there.
I was in a NFL facility wearing NFL gear.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Tony Pike in his years, he was not one of those,
but had a helmet, had a jersey, and I think
I got to keep all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I think they've scaled back. I think there's a reason
the helmets aren't involved. Well, forty five guys worked or
got invited. I'm not sure if all forty five showed up.
Forty five players got invited. That's a lot of helmets,
a lot of helmets. I don't think they were going there.
But yeah, no, it's it's not it's not long, it's
not particularly telling.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
So it starts at eight things like eight thirty to you,
you could you could be you know, downtown having breakfast
by eight forty five.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, That's why I'm always like, how did what happened?
And who are the losers?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You know what I mean? It's like it's not it's
it's very.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Who runs the workout, the coaches are out, the new
it's you know, the new coaching staff is out there, right,
so you can kind of the first time you kind
of see them out there.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Working with guys that they're never going to see again.
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Do they take it seriously, Yeah, they do take it seriously.
I think they take it seriously. I think they're trying.
Don't if it's only forty minutes, well, those they take
the thirty minutes seriously. They appear to be okay. If not,
they're doing a good job of faking. The scouts are
all there. I mean they're I think they're looking if
there's anybody that catches their eye that maybe then they
(31:38):
could look at as a contract their eye tying their shoes.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's thirty minutes. There's no time to catch anybody's eye.
Forty five players in three and thirty minutes. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
that's what it is. I think, you know, it's just
this is what the NFL wants you to do.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I think it's a neat thing that NFL teams do.
It's a neat tradition and and I I.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think the NFL teams are like, we we still
have to do this tradition.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I enjoy because I did it yesterday. I said, at
five thirty five, I will read all the names, and
I did. I sounded like a high school principal reading
the names of kids who have graduated. Like I enjoy
that part of it. I think it's cool. I just
thought it was more than thirty minutes. I thought there
was actually like football practice.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Not at all, No, not even a little. I mean
there's like, you know, there's there is a football. Sometimes
I go out there and I feel like there's not
even a football. So they actually had a football at
the I saw people catch footballs. At one point they
were being thrown. There was a quarterback he was throwing.
He was throwing a football.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Forty there was a kicker, and there's a kicker at
the end. Who was doing kid? Miami's punter was there. Yeah,
punter was there.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
So forty five players, they all played different positions in
an a half hour.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're gonna go nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, all the position coaches are out there, are they?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, it's not. Zach Taylor shows up at this thing.
He was there.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I think I think he gives the speech. He gives
the speech and huddle at the end. What is the speech?
I wasn't in cyber any guys. Thanks, I'd be I'd
be here for that Bengals all access video of that speech. Hey,
you know what, keep grinding towards your goals. Click this
on your resume.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
You can make sure you get that photo of you
out here in the in the teen gear working doing
your athletic movements.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I mean, like, so, he gets a cup of coffee
in the morning, puts it on his desk, and it's
still hot by the time he comes back up to
his office after this practice.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That's fact.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
It is fourteen minutes away from four o'clock. All Right,
we have to talk about another to do list, the
Madrid question, and maybe Tree hendrickson. Yeah, plus maybe play
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This is ESPN fifteen to thirty monthlegger Paul Danner Juniors
here from The Athletic and the Growlar podcast for another
few minutes. You have me on your podcast on a
pretty regular basis. And last week I was en route.
I had an appointment in Covington. I was trying to
get here to Kenwood. I had to stop, and so
in order to do the podcast on time, I did
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it from the parking lot of a Starbucks. And I
don't think the podcast went off the rails. But in
the middle of talking about the draft, we got sidetracked
and we were talking about buffets.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
No, I don't like buffets, and how.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I think it's gross that people blow out birthday candles
on a CA Yeah, And there were one or two
other real, unimportant, non draft related things. So I I,
you know, I I listened to the podcast, and I
usually zip past the part where I'm on because I've
heard myself and I'm uninteresting and not informative. So in
the course of doing that, I skipped ahead and I
(35:20):
called the very final few seconds of my appearance last week,
and I just I want you to hear this.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Arran go ahead, and a.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Woman standing next to her car holding one cigarette while
smoking the other.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
So that's got that Brook Starbucks. So perhaps it's time
for you to exit.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So on that note, most saying hello to Doubles, doubles
cigarette woman next to you and everybody at the Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Uh, and we will we will talk to you, Okay.
Thanks as always, guys, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Us see it much. Thanks again to Mow for joining us.
That was informative.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
There you go. That's that.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I really enjoyed that. And and honest the audio doesn't
do a justice. I listened to it and then I'm like,
well it's on YouTube. I'm gonna go back and watch.
And the pained expression on your face and on Jay's face,
that was like, we just wasted twenty five minutes of
our time, of our audience's time. We're here to talk
about the draft, and we brought in this clown who's
(36:19):
not even professional enough to do it in an office
or a studio or he's in his car, he's talking
about a woman smoking multiple cigarettes. He's veering into why
he doesn't like buffets, and he's talking about birthday cakes
and why did.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
We do that? It was this moment of are we
really going to put that on the internet? And you did?
We did. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Look, we had a regular segment that people clamored forward.
We would talk about aliens for twenty five minutes at
a time. Okay, and it's like, look, we understand what
the audience once. They need this stuff. They need this stuff.
I was being serious. It really was informat and Jay
went on to how he had stories about which was
(37:03):
great being in jail. Right after that, it was like, wow,
we did miss an opportunity for jadea way in as
the one person that had been in jail, it could
talk a little bit about that scenario.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
We did discuss prison etiquette. Yeah, that podcast we did
all right, a couple of other things really quickly. Jason
Lockhan for The Washington Post writes that the rest of
the league is watching closely what happens with the Bengals
and their draft and Trey Hendrickson, meaning maybe a trade
could still happen.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Sure, I think a trade could still happen.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yes, and if they if they take an edge rusher
at seventeen. Here's the things we know. Miles Murphy's gonna
play a lot this year. Yeah, they have not hid
that Miles Murvy's playing a lot. So if they take
another first round pick, you know, he's probably gonna want
him to do play a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
They have a lot of needs and they need more picks.
If they felt like that happened and they could add whatever,
a couple of picks on or some combination, yeah they could.
I wouldn't understand why the rest of the league would
be looking at them like are you gonna do that?
They're they're in they're in a buying this is a
moment where you would do it. And now it doesn't
(38:11):
mean it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And then Trey will go on the McAfee show and
cry about that. Is that what happens next?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Well, maybe it'll be the team he gets traded to.
He'll be complaining about their take on the contract negotiation.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Or the potentially Bengal's gonna play a game and complain No,
not at all. The Bengal's gonna play a game in Madrid.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
We don't know. We legitimately don't know, ye, Like, I mean,
they the the Bengals haven't been told they're playing in Madrid.
I know, we asked.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
We talked to Katie about this, yeah, and when we
were down in Palm Beach and she was specifically like,
I mean we we legitimately don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
The one thing we do know is that they will
be playing internationally, giving up a home game in twenty seven, right,
like that's happening. Katie said that to us specifically. But
they and they could be one of these road teams.
They're in the mix, but they don't know at this
point whether they're going to be or not. They're kind
of find out in a lot of ways that the
rest of the league is gonna find.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Out if if we send the Bengals, do they get tariffed?
I don't know. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm not sure that works. Is there a tear on NFL?
I don't know, Sam exports.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I haven't really paid attention to the news today, so
I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I know my passport is about to expire and I
need to double check on that.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Thank you, as always, it was great. Next Tuesday, the
pre draft edition, Yes, the pre draft editions.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
We'll talk about totally different stuff than that we have incast.
We will you'll have.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
More positions, you'll have written about, You'll have done like
nine more podcasts.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
It's going to be great.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
There's gonna be a whole whole week to kind of,
you know, just sift through all the different content and
figure out what I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
With you about, and if not, we can just talk
about our latest experience at the Shell Popeyes Duncan situation
and see what we got going on there.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I advise our audience to go check that particular establishment
out and tell me I'm wrong.
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I've been there many times. There's a lot happening. Would
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draft is now just nine days away and essential reading,
especially this week, because he does this. He does this
in a way that I think is more valuable than
any mock draft. You gotta read Paul Danner Junior, which
you should be doing every day if you're a Bengals fan,
and also checking out the Ground podcast. But uh, we
(01:02):
are just flooded with mock drafts. I like what Paul does.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
He takes a look at all the critical positional needs
and breaks it down every single day. So we're two
days into this. We've looked at safety, we've looked at linebacker,
and then separately we've looked at guard. Go read those
pieces with three more days to come at the Athletic
dot Com.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
How's it going. It's going good, It's going good.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I like I like this this part of draft season
where we're almost there.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, when it's far.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Away and you know how many mocks and big boards
and like and scenarios you have to play out, it
becomes a little overwhelming. But when we when we're at
this point, it's like and the and we're close to
it actually happening. Like I get I get very excited,
and I love this. I love this time of year.
I like this week, and I like the draft. The
(01:52):
two days leading up to it. I do what I
can to kind of tune it all out. Well, what
you're being given is lies anyway, smokes, smoke screens, lying season, right.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So you get everybody that's that's trying to get something
else out there.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I I yeah, know those days.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Are they're a lot to handle, but it's fun.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I like your approach, and as you can tell, I've
printed out parts one and two.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm surprised they still let you near the printer. After
the Beast came. I printed the beast.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It was nice.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Nobody said we have to have to talk or are
you gonna buy some toner. I hit print at three o'clock. Okay,
I walked out of the studio and it was done
printing at like five twenty two or something.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's perfect. Nobody said a word. So here's what I
like about your approach. Anybody can do a mock draft. Yeah,
I think what you do provides context, right, and that
to me is missing from not everybody, in fact, probably
not even most, but a lot of people who are
just working off a board and the rank and the players.
And so the Bengals are at seventeen, I'm taking the
seventeen best player or the our best guy at their
(03:00):
biggest position of need. What I like about what you
do is it provides context, who's back with the team,
who signed long term, who's maybe got a contract expiring
at the end of this coming season. History, And then,
I think, more important than anything else, their way of drafting, which,
as you put is so well established and then you
try to find folks, You try to find players who
fit the kind of the way they do things.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, you got to you got to look at the history.
You got to look at the matchup. Maybe different if
you were in a place where they had, you know,
new gms and stuff every three, four.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Five years.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We know what's happening, like we know, you know, really
the variable this year is we know all about their
focus on defense, but how will Al Golden view things differently,
which is an interesting sort of bit of context that
adds into this. But other than that, we still we
do know we know their value of traits, We know
(03:53):
how they have drafted specifically recently, going with these high
athletic profiles in recent years, and we know their you
on how desperate they feel like the situations are at
certain positions and the hole they might have a linebacker
and safety and guard, and how focused they are on that.
Like there's when you take all of that and put
it together, you can look at what's really important right
(04:15):
now is looking at the draft contextually in terms of
if this then what It's one thing to say just
take a guy, but if you're doing it and then
know that that shorts you in round three that the
drop off is so steep. The difference between safety in
round one and safety in round three and four, or
(04:36):
a different position, or the difference between edge rusher defensive
tackle in round one and edge rusher defensive tackle in
round three which is not as big. That matters. That
matters as part of the conversation. If they come into
this draft saying, these are the five boxes we want
to check. We can check them in any order. How
do we get the most value out of them? That's
the game they're playing now, they have their board, they
(04:58):
know their needs. Where's the path that checks the most boxes,
that gets the most value out of out of all
of these picks. And you can say best player available,
and that's true in certain respects, but it's a matter
of the path that they want to take. And you've
got to understand what they like to do and what
(05:20):
this draft presents to them.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So here, based on your work and understanding, you have
three more days of this. But based on your work,
here's where I have found myself. I have found myself
trying to convince myself that I could either get Xavier
Watts or Tate Ratledge at forty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, and going back.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And forth between who's more likely to be there and
I maybe this isn't how you draft, but as I'm
doing this because I'm the guy that wants a guard,
because I want to protect Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I want to build an elit offensive line.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So I go, Okay, man, if I can get Tate
rat Ledge, I think that'll satisfy me. And then I
can go after a safety in round one? But am
I sure he's going to be there? And then conversely,
I want a safety Xavier Wat's really going to be
there at forty nine and we're not gonna know. That's
the cool part of the draft, right, Like you might think, boy,
he's gonna be there and a team trades up and
scoops him up or whatever. But that's after kind of
(06:12):
doing this with all the other draft information out there,
and then doing this with your exercise. I've been going
back and forth between those two players and trying to
determine which one is more likely to be there when
they pick at forty nine, and whichever one I land at,
I'll take another position. You know, at seventeen, who do
you trust more? Cody Ford or Geno Stone?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Cody Ford? Right, Yeah, you end up in this play.
I mean, that's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm not saying that that's the reason that you would
pick a certain way, but if you're weighing, well, I
mean to me, I just look at the state of
that guard position where Genostone, like I can see like
he's he's played well in the league before. Maybeah, he
played seemed to play better when things simplify at the
end of the year. Maybe him with al Gold, he
seemed to have the right attitude about things going into
(07:00):
this offseason. Okay, if you're gonna buy, you're gonna buy
that Genostone could be that and you're just drafting a
backup for him.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
He is still here.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, man, I don't want to be talking about Lucas
Patrick and Cody Ford is your two guards? Like you
need someone who has start day one, And I think
you get that sense from the team that the understanding
of somebody who's gonna come in and be able to
start and raise the floor of this line on day
one is very necessary right now, more so than what
(07:31):
feels like you know that that safety position, which it is,
but it's also it's also like we could go with
Genostone okay, whereas it's like you could go with Patrick
and Ford, Yeah, doesn't feel as good to me. And
so if you're talking about that, that number forty nine,
which is very which is obviously a pivotal spot in
(07:51):
this draft for need, that's one where I look at
and nice man, there's a good grouping of offensive linemen here,
guard tak Gold, these types of guys that get one
of those and feel great about the state of your offense.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So here's what's happened at my house with Gino Stone.
We have a dog that we got in February of
twenty twenty four, so I think she is technically still
a puppy, and she's good at a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
She's not good at fetch. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And I commented to my wife when we were doing
this over the weekend, like just throwing stuff in the yard,
I said, she takes really bad angles. And as soon
as I said that, with her having no idea who
Genostone is, I think we're gonna call this dog, who
up until this point had been named Bella, I think
we're gonna have to start naming it Gino Stone because
she takes really bad angles at whatever she's chasing. So
(08:42):
we have Genostone the dog.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
The dog. That's not good. It's not good. Not good. Yeah,
I mean, you know that's fine. I think.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Do you remember how every week I would make fun
of IRV Smith and I would ask you, like, what
does he run like? Like a guy with a refrigerator
strapped to his back or guy who's wearing two left shoes.
I feel like we're doing gonna start doing the same
thing with Geno Stone, and perhaps should have started right
around a week five last year.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's it's possible.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I I I think that there's hope there.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I really do. I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The bottom line is, though, I keep going back to
the al Golden quote from Notre Dame about how the
way your secondary tackles is the soul of your defense.
And it really was poetic, really and it struck me
and I've had a hard time shaking it when I
think about Geno Stone tackling, you know. And so when
that's the case, that's why you know, you keep going
(09:38):
back to, you know, whether we're talking about Starks or
Email Warrior whoever. In round one, replacing the soul of
your defense seems like it could be a thing that
could be that could be important to you and and
maybe that maybe it maybe it isn't, maybe it doesn't
end up going that way, But I do think that
(09:58):
that's it has be part of the conversation right now.
But yeah, you don't want to be sitting here talking
about Gino Stone and you're gonna look at the dog
every time after a bad game and get mad at
the dog. Is not the dog's fault. It's a good dog.
He doesn't have to be good at everything. It's not
his fault. You made that comp.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Well, the poor dog is already having to learn a
new name, which is not easy, right, you know, with
Gino Stone Stony. Yeah, right now it's just Gino and
the dog is looking at us like that was Bella.
I've I've been Bella for the last you know, fifteen months,
and now you're throwing this at me, Like what am
I just because I'm bad at fetch?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, like that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But she takes really bad angles, and it reminds me
of reminds me of Gino Stone, also reminds me of
Germaine Pratt.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Maybe maybe Bella and or Gino just needs a new coach,
maybe needs proper training.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Maybe that was the problem.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Maybe it needs an al golden coming in here and
really take this thing seriously.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I want to ask you about something you wrote about
when writing about offensive Lineman.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
When we come back.
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Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, we have our our live show, Our post draft
live show is back. It's gonna be the Tuesday after
the draft, on the twenty ninth, Wow down at bet
MGM Nation Kitchen and Bar down at the Banks where
we do all our live shows. Bengals Director of College
Scouting Mike Pott's gonna join us. And it's on a
Tuesday of a home Reds game. I have tickets of
(12:46):
that game, which is what you're three two one night, right,
We're gonna go at five to get you in front.
So he's gonna go to the Reds game, you know,
come on down Bengals talk with with Mike Potts as
we break down all the draft picks and stuff like that,
and then Red's game right after that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Boom. What a great place to spend a Tuesday night. Man,
it's all wrapped up into one there. It is very good.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You wrote about the Bengals being open to drafting a
different breed of offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They have a new offensive line coach, So what does
that look like?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I don't know. I mean one that is very familiar
with martial arts, right, I mean, we've got the strike system. Now, okay,
do you what do you know about the strike system?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I know, I don't know how to know it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, well, there's so I mean, Scott Peters kind of
invented It's.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's around the league. It's not like this is some secret.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But you know, if you have a guy who has
this specialty, and we've seen a couple of players who
would maybe be third or fourth round prospects that they've
brought in and who have a specialty in that. I
had Brandon Thorn on the podcast on Monday, who's an
awesome trench warfare and does all He's unbelievable in all
things offensive line. He was talking about the connection that
(14:02):
some of those players that are there have with using
that system in college doing it really well, and how
maybe that could connect to a player that you spot
and look. I think Bengals fans to be sitting here
and say, yeah, try something different, Yes, how about a
new form of drafting development and strategy. I think that
(14:23):
sounds great, And I think from my perspective, when you
look back at the very sad, ugly avert your eyes
list of their drafting history and offensive line that we
pull out this time every year, is yeah, maybe maybe
time for something different because you're you're taking players and
they're consistently not producing. I have a list in today's
(14:45):
offensive line piece where it has rounds two through five. Okay,
and I pulled out all the AFC teams for reference.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You printed it out, Yeah, I mean, there it is.
And what have you gotten? I mean they and they
are at the very bottom in terms of of starts.
They only have one player they've drafted in the last
ten years in rounds two to five on the offensive
line who has started more than twenty games and he
got bench last year. And then you have a team
like the Denver Broncos who have what is it, two
(15:13):
hundred and seventy three starts on the rookie contract. Out
of those guys, that's just the rookie contract starts and
you get five, six seven guys over ten year span.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That is so valuable.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You can't live that way where you're not getting anything
for offensive line play out of that portion of the draft.
And they've taken minimal swings, and in terms of the
higher value were they what two second or third round
picks Jake Fisher Court and that didn't go well. We
know how Jackson Carmen went. And if you need to
(15:45):
take more swings, you need to be better at developing
them when they get here, and especially when you're talking
about where they're at financially right now, you have to
be better at that. And so trying something new, giving
a little bit more of an investment, being willing to say, look,
I know it hasn't gone oh, but we got to
do it again has to happen. Find the right guy,
own that evaluation, pick that guy get it right one time.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It can change a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It can change a lot, and they certainly need to
change the offensive line drafting that they've been doing over
the years and maybe this will be the time they
can go. You know, if you can have drafts where
you go mimes and a successful round two guard back
to back, you feel like you've turned over a leaf there.
And what's been such a big problence of this organization.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Well my thing and I talked about it with you
and Jay from the parking lot of a Starbucks on
the podcast last week, which, by the way, there's a
moment from last week's podcast that I need to play
on the air and I gotta get it to tear
and durn the break. But my take on the offensive
line is, and I you and I talked about this
right after they took mems last year. If you're ever
gonna put Joe behind any lead offensive line, you're doing
(16:48):
it mainly through the draft. That doesn't mean you can't
supplement what you've drafted with a guy. But you know, hey,
if every three or four years we're just gonna sign
three or four offensive lineman number one, financially, it's different
than when they did that before the two twenty two season.
Number two that you just can't. So if you're ever
gonna build a top and elite offensive line, it's gonna
happen through the draft. So if I can get a
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guard in round one or two, I will feel like
they are starting. They are starting that process. That's the
road to having Joe Burrow play behind an elite offensive
line sometime while he's in his prime. We are on
that road. We are on that path.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, and think about and it's hard, I mean, asking
any rookie offensive lineman to come in and be great,
it doesn't happen hardly at all, to even be good.
I mean you're hoping for kind of average. And you
know what average would be if they got that out
of guard play, a significant improvement from last year right
where it was just awful in terms of specifically in
(17:47):
terms of pass protection. So if you can get that
and have average to developing towards by January, you feel
like you're really finding a guy who's a sending and
he's playing next to Mims who could potentially be at
a Pro Bowl level this year, Like that's his arc
right now?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
God, do you feel great?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
You feel I would feel great about that line better
than I've probably felt about any line that they've had.
If you can, if you can say that when you
consider the level Orlando Brown was playing at what a
mimes can be. It's like, you know, even in Kris
as solid, if you can just get something that feels
like you're building something on the inside, it feels so
(18:25):
much better.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You have emphasized their need more than others, I think
for not only a guard, but a swing tackle. Yeah,
and obviously that can be the same person. Are there
scenarios where those are two different people in the draft?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, I think you could see a double back on that.
You know, it's kind of like we were talking before
about the strike technique stuff, but you can find you
can do that. No one's gonna like this, but it
could look like twenty twenty one a little bit where
they did. They went second round guard, and they went
with Deontay Smith in the fourth round, more of a
developmental tackle who you would think maybe this year he's
(19:03):
the fourth tackle, okay, and next year he's the swing tackle,
and then the year after that before they know Brown
can't come back. You feel like he's ready to be
a starter, and maybe that's a development that's a type
of career path you would expect out of a fourth
let's say, a fourth round pick that's in play for sure,
(19:24):
because they need both those positions.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I think I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think a lot of people are going to balk
or are gonna go what are they doing because of
all the needs on defense.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
If in six picks they take two linemen, you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Know what if they got two starting guards out of that,
you know what I mean. Like, also, it's also worth it.
So many times we've done so many trends on the
double up trend in so many times the second guy
ends up better than the first guy, and that goes
across different positions. And so if it's somebody who like
almost all of these guys, it seems like the tackles
(19:55):
have flexibility to play both positions. Maybe he helps you
now as even he gets in the middle of that
big mix of the battle position battle there and could
be a part of that. But I'm just saying, like
that absolutely could be two people. You absolutely could see
a double up because they have both of those spots
open on their roster right now. I guess you know,
(20:16):
I guess Cody Ford is your swing tackle right now.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean, they don't. They haven't filled that right and so.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
To me, it just add that to the list of
needs that they have to accomplish, which they just need
more picks mostly.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
All right, one other position I want to ask about,
and then a few other non draft related issues. Okay,
well one is somewhat draft related because it's Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Wait, I thought we were on a good run. I
was hoping that we weren't gonna have to talk about him. No,
it's okay, I'm happy to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It depends on how much you could elaborate on whether
or not they play a game in Madrid.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
If you've done ten minutes on that, we won't do. Tray,
I don't. I don't have ten minutes on that. I
would have a quick answer on that. And so so
if that's where we have to do, I'm here. I'm
here for you. Okay, thanks, if that's what is yet. Finally,
if this is what you need, I'm happy to do it.
And it's releve it's relevant again, you know it is.
It's relevant.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So here we go. It always is.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
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next segment what I think is my all time favorite
snippet from the Growler podcast. Really yeah, Okay, from an
episode that I was a part of last week.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Okay, was it the moment? Was it the end of
your was it the end of your segment? It was
right when you guys said goodbye to me?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Because I want to hear the epilogue of what
ended up happening next, because we you know, you checked
out and we went on recording. But I have to
imagine there was probably something that happened after that with me.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Potentially I wentn't, got a cup of coffee, Oka, drove
to work. Okay, good.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I'm glad to hear that nothing bad happened. Because I
was nervous for you.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I did not go into the establishment that I was
parked outside of. I instead went to the Dunkin Donuts
and Shell gas station, and I decided that if anybody
is looking for a reality show idea, that they could
set up a camera crew at that combined Shell, Popeyes
and Dunkin Donuts and just film. Yeah, there's a lot
(24:10):
of stuff going on, a lot of stuff. So I
sort of felt like grabbing my phone and like popping
back in on the podcast to go, hey, guys, quick update.
I'm at Dunkin Donuts and Popeyes and Shell and there's
a lot going on here, and I just wanted to
let you know, but I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, if you ever try to go through the Duncan
Popeyes combined drive through that, Yeah, it's there's a lot.
There's a lot happening on the back side of the
building as well. But the funny it's really hard to
get in and out of onto a really busy roads.
You have, you have a lot of good people watching. Yeah,
you have a near accident every three yes, yes, every
three minutes. Yes, it's very problematic. And so I mean,
(24:47):
I know I know people that have gotten been running
and gotten hit by a car.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
There. Like, if anything could happen at any moment, I'm
with you. Set it up.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
There's a lot of stuff going on in that gas station,
parking lot, in the restaurant. I mean, there's just I
always thought that the best place to film a reality
show would be the Queen's Gate Marathon. I don't know, man,
that High Park at High Park, Dunkin Donuts, pop Eye Shell,
gas station. There's something there. Yeah. One more position you're
(25:15):
you're covering later in the week. You've done safety and
linebacker together. Day one, your sort of positional breakdown of
the Bengals going into the draft. You did offensive lineman
with a guard focus. Day two. Day five is going
to be skilled players. Give me a preview of what
the likely approach is going to be at running back.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Day three. Day three running back. I mean it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think I said this on one of the podcasts
last week. If I had to pick one beat on
a round position combo, it would be round five running back.
Really yeah, for a couple of reasons. One replicate Chase
Brown rights. The obvious is you're bringing in somebody you don't.
(26:03):
You don't need someone to come in and challenge Chase Brown,
right like they love Chase Brown, love Chase Brown. So
they are right. What I'm just saying, I mean, they
are very open about the fact they think he is
and will continue and will be great, and so they're
not looking, you know, an aggressive early move. While there
(26:24):
are circumstances that I guess you could make that argument,
I don't think it's even a part of the conversation.
The depth of this running back class, I mean, it
is wild. There are so many in every flavor that
you could want. Where they're gonna find what they're looking
for available to them on day three most teams are
(26:46):
I mean, I just I interviewed Dane Brugler that'll be
on tomorrow's podcast just a little bit ago, and he
was saying, you know, I got thirty two draftable grades
on running backs, not every team is taking a running
back right he's so you're gonna see some of that
quality pushback. We're in round five. They might be getting
somebody they have a round three grade on, And you
(27:07):
can do that and put that into the back of
the room. You're not using one of your higher need
picks and still get real value there. Somebody that can
give Chase Brown a breather can be up maybe maybe
the future, who knows whatever I mean, Chase Brown was
a fifth round pick two years ago. It all makes
too much sense, It fits too well to the entire
(27:29):
plan to say that that wouldn't be the direction they
could go because and I think a lot of teams
are gonna do this. You're gonna you're gonna see a
lot of teams, whether it be in around one or two,
have a running back that they love right there, that
man one of these top five running backs that are
on everybody's list here.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And be like, yeah, but what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Like how big is the gap between this and what
we would get in a round four or five. And
and because of the depth and because of the what
this league is where you find these guys all the time,
you know you can you can hit it a pretty
high rate. There's a lot of success stories in round five.
Kyron Williams, Chase Brown, Tyler al Jyear, Tyrone Tracy last year.
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These are all fifth round picks in the last couple
of years. So to me, that makes so much sense
that I think that's that's where running back ends up going.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
So you're gonna take a guard and maybe a swing
tackle and a running back for a team that's got
to repair their defense.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
They can need more picks, they need more picks.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Well, I mean, I think, you know, I I you know,
I think the swing tackle conversation is a little bit
of a luxury if the right guy is there at
the right spot.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I don't I don't think that is.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Necessarily a plan or path a but I think it's
in the conversation. But I think guard round two, running
back round five, and defense all around it. I would
say that'd be my most likely path to.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
See Today, the Bengals had their local workout for play
who went to area colleges and a number of them
who went to schools outside the Greater Cincinnati area but
played high school ball here. I think this is fantasy
camp for nine of those players. Yeah, did you cover
it or you there?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I was there. Anything could happen? No, Is that what
this says is a fantasy camp? Pretty much? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean it's not a long it's a half hour
workout in shorts and that's all they do. Thirty minutes
thirty minutes in shorts, right, and and like the little jersey,
that's it. There's no helmets, there's no I mean there's
no like it's a lot of like a cool T
shirt or something. It's just like a little it's like
a little workout. Well I think I don't know if
they get to keep the shorts in the jersey, but
(29:40):
you know, yeah, I don't know, it would be the
only reason to go. Yeah, I mean I think they
fantasy camp.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You get the pants, you get the berries, swag of
some sort I can't speak specifically on, like you know,
the the goodie bag that they get.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
They got a good bag of it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I mean there's something that they don't walk out of
it empty handed. You get a jersey, like like a
practice jersey. I this is where I should have been
really pinned down today. Okay, next year, next year, go
to the workout. And that's the story.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
What do you get for you get showing up to
Bengals fantasy camp for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I would hope that there's maybe a photo of them
in action, right, you know, they can blow up there.
I was in a NFL facility wearing NFL gear.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Tony Pike in his years, he was not one of those,
but had a helmet, had a jersey, and I think
I got to keep all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I think they've scaled back. I think there's a reason
the helmets aren't involved. Well, forty five guys worked or
got invited. I'm not sure if all forty five showed up.
Forty five players got invited. That's a lot of helmets,
a lot of helmets. I don't think they were going there.
But yeah, no, it's it's not it's not long, it's
not particularly telling.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
So it starts at eight things like eight thirty to you,
you could you could be you know, downtown having breakfast
by eight forty five.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, That's why I'm always like, how did what happened?
And who are the losers?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You know what I mean? It's like it's not it's
it's very.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Who runs the workout, the coaches are out, the new
it's you know, the new coaching staff is out there, right,
so you can kind of the first time you kind
of see them out there.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Working with guys that they're never going to see again.
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Do they take it seriously, Yeah, they do take it seriously.
I think they take it seriously. I think they're trying.
Don't if it's only forty minutes, well, those they take
the thirty minutes seriously. They appear to be okay. If not,
they're doing a good job of faking. The scouts are
all there. I mean they're I think they're looking if
there's anybody that catches their eye that maybe then they
(31:38):
could look at as a contract their eye tying their shoes.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's thirty minutes. There's no time to catch anybody's eye.
Forty five players in three and thirty minutes. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
that's what it is. I think, you know, it's just
this is what the NFL wants you to do.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I think it's a neat thing that NFL teams do.
It's a neat tradition and and I I.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think the NFL teams are like, we we still
have to do this tradition.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I enjoy because I did it yesterday. I said, at
five thirty five, I will read all the names, and
I did. I sounded like a high school principal reading
the names of kids who have graduated. Like I enjoy
that part of it. I think it's cool. I just
thought it was more than thirty minutes. I thought there
was actually like football practice.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Not at all, No, not even a little. I mean
there's like, you know, there's there is a football. Sometimes
I go out there and I feel like there's not
even a football. So they actually had a football at
the I saw people catch footballs. At one point they
were being thrown. There was a quarterback he was throwing.
He was throwing a football.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Forty there was a kicker, and there's a kicker at
the end. Who was doing kid? Miami's punter was there. Yeah,
punter was there.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
So forty five players, they all played different positions in
an a half hour.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're gonna go nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, all the position coaches are out there, are they?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, it's not. Zach Taylor shows up at this thing.
He was there.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I think I think he gives the speech. He gives
the speech and huddle at the end. What is the speech?
I wasn't in cyber any guys. Thanks, I'd be I'd
be here for that Bengals all access video of that speech. Hey,
you know what, keep grinding towards your goals. Click this
on your resume.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
You can make sure you get that photo of you
out here in the in the teen gear working doing
your athletic movements.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I mean, like, so, he gets a cup of coffee
in the morning, puts it on his desk, and it's
still hot by the time he comes back up to
his office after this practice.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That's fact.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
It is fourteen minutes away from four o'clock. All Right,
we have to talk about another to do list, the
Madrid question, and maybe Tree hendrickson. Yeah, plus maybe play
my favorite part of your podcast, Yeah on ESPN fifteen
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This is ESPN fifteen to thirty monthlegger Paul Danner Juniors
here from The Athletic and the Growlar podcast for another
few minutes. You have me on your podcast on a
pretty regular basis. And last week I was en route.
I had an appointment in Covington. I was trying to
get here to Kenwood. I had to stop, and so
in order to do the podcast on time, I did
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it from the parking lot of a Starbucks. And I
don't think the podcast went off the rails. But in
the middle of talking about the draft, we got sidetracked
and we were talking about buffets.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
No, I don't like buffets, and how.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I think it's gross that people blow out birthday candles
on a CA Yeah, And there were one or two
other real, unimportant, non draft related things. So I I,
you know, I I listened to the podcast, and I
usually zip past the part where I'm on because I've
heard myself and I'm uninteresting and not informative. So in
the course of doing that, I skipped ahead and I
(35:20):
called the very final few seconds of my appearance last week,
and I just I want you to hear this.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Arran go ahead, and a.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Woman standing next to her car holding one cigarette while
smoking the other.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
So that's got that Brook Starbucks. So perhaps it's time
for you to exit.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So on that note, most saying hello to Doubles, doubles
cigarette woman next to you and everybody at the Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Uh, and we will we will talk to you, Okay.
Thanks as always, guys, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Us see it much. Thanks again to Mow for joining us.
That was informative.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
There you go. That's that.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I really enjoyed that. And and honest the audio doesn't
do a justice. I listened to it and then I'm like,
well it's on YouTube. I'm gonna go back and watch.
And the pained expression on your face and on Jay's face,
that was like, we just wasted twenty five minutes of
our time, of our audience's time. We're here to talk
about the draft, and we brought in this clown who's
(36:19):
not even professional enough to do it in an office
or a studio or he's in his car, he's talking
about a woman smoking multiple cigarettes. He's veering into why
he doesn't like buffets, and he's talking about birthday cakes
and why did.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
We do that? It was this moment of are we
really going to put that on the internet? And you did?
We did. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Look, we had a regular segment that people clamored forward.
We would talk about aliens for twenty five minutes at
a time. Okay, and it's like, look, we understand what
the audience once. They need this stuff. They need this stuff.
I was being serious. It really was informat and Jay
went on to how he had stories about which was
(37:03):
great being in jail. Right after that, it was like, wow,
we did miss an opportunity for jadea way in as
the one person that had been in jail, it could
talk a little bit about that scenario.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
We did discuss prison etiquette. Yeah, that podcast we did
all right, a couple of other things really quickly. Jason
Lockhan for The Washington Post writes that the rest of
the league is watching closely what happens with the Bengals
and their draft and Trey Hendrickson, meaning maybe a trade
could still happen.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Sure, I think a trade could still happen.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yes, and if they if they take an edge rusher
at seventeen. Here's the things we know. Miles Murphy's gonna
play a lot this year. Yeah, they have not hid
that Miles Murvy's playing a lot. So if they take
another first round pick, you know, he's probably gonna want
him to do play a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
They have a lot of needs and they need more picks.
If they felt like that happened and they could add whatever,
a couple of picks on or some combination, yeah they could.
I wouldn't understand why the rest of the league would
be looking at them like are you gonna do that?
They're they're in they're in a buying this is a
moment where you would do it. And now it doesn't
(38:11):
mean it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And then Trey will go on the McAfee show and
cry about that. Is that what happens next?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Well, maybe it'll be the team he gets traded to.
He'll be complaining about their take on the contract negotiation.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Or the potentially Bengal's gonna play a game and complain No,
not at all. The Bengal's gonna play a game in Madrid.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
We don't know. We legitimately don't know, ye, Like, I mean,
they the the Bengals haven't been told they're playing in Madrid.
I know, we asked.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
We talked to Katie about this, yeah, and when we
were down in Palm Beach and she was specifically like,
I mean we we legitimately don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
The one thing we do know is that they will
be playing internationally, giving up a home game in twenty seven, right,
like that's happening. Katie said that to us specifically. But
they and they could be one of these road teams.
They're in the mix, but they don't know at this
point whether they're going to be or not. They're kind
of find out in a lot of ways that the
rest of the league is gonna find.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Out if if we send the Bengals, do they get tariffed?
I don't know. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm not sure that works. Is there a tear on NFL?
I don't know, Sam exports.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I haven't really paid attention to the news today, so
I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I know my passport is about to expire and I
need to double check on that.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Thank you, as always, it was great. Next Tuesday, the
pre draft edition, Yes, the pre draft editions.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
We'll talk about totally different stuff than that we have incast.
We will you'll have.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
More positions, you'll have written about, You'll have done like
nine more podcasts.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
It's going to be great.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
There's gonna be a whole whole week to kind of,
you know, just sift through all the different content and
figure out what I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
With you about, and if not, we can just talk
about our latest experience at the Shell Popeyes Duncan situation
and see what we got going on there.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I advise our audience to go check that particular establishment
out and tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I've been there many times. There's a lot happening. Would
be a great reality show, all right. Read Paul's work
the Athletic dot Com and check out the Growlar podcast,
an essential part of the Bengals pre draft process.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Pat Noon and.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
The head coach of FC Cincinnati, will join us next.
It's coming up on four o'clock on Moegar. This is
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