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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the radio business has called an appointment setup. It
could be the fact that we play the Captain Kangaroo
or Oh Happy Day. It's a way that using a sonic,
using sound, it's a way that you sat a moment
and a reminder. In musicals, you have what's known as
a late motif, which is also when a character walks
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in his music kind of sets the tone. Well, we
have done an Easter special on the good Friday before
Easter for years and today is no different. And we
call back Pastor ed Young a conversation we had with
him a couple of years ago, because y'all seem to
have loved it so much, and frankly, so did we.
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Pastor Young. I'm going to ask you to start us
with the Book of Luke. The Gospels of Luke talk
about the Easter story, but if you could, can you
put into context why the Easter story is important?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
A plus question, Michael, I'll tell you that, you know,
I've sort of came to myself the early part of
this week, by the way. Luke is so important because
of the way he handles history. Luke wrote more of
the New Testament than anybody else. You think John and
Paul know Luke. He wrote acts, you remember, and he
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wrote the Gospel of Luke. More verses are written by Luke.
Luke may be the only gentile who's written anything in
the Bible. He was a medical doctor, as you know,
and a astute historian. So you have touched my number
one guy. I love the Gospel of Luke more than
anything else. But I think what you're asking me is
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the same identical question, Michael, that the church at Carrent
asked Paul. The most definitive chapter in all the Bible
and answering all the questions you and I would ask
is First Corinthians, chapter fifteen. And what you gave me
a little cheat note uphead where we talked about you remember,
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did what you asked me to think about, Michael, is
exactly what they have the apostle Paul in chapter fifteen
of First Corinthians. And they said, but someone will say
verse thirty five, how are the dead raysed? Ooh? And
with what kind of body do they have? What kind
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of body do they come with? And that's exactly what
Easter is all about. Also this past Monday, I woke
up early thinking about Easter. All this week, all the
services everything we have. And then I said, you know,
I'm sort of a hypocrite. I have not exactly expressed
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in all these years of preaching on Christmas and preaching
on Easter, because every Christmas, Michael, I say, this is
the most important date in history. And then I turned
around in Eastern I said, oh no, I said, no, no, no,
Easter is the most important day in history. So you
know both cannot be true. So I sat down, I said,
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all right, what's the difference in Christmas and Easter. They're
both over the top, vital important facts in history. And
then I came up with this. I just said, Christmas
is the most important event in God's history. Now what
does that mean? That means all the prophecy of the
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Old Testament, the promise that God would visit this earth Messiah,
God would put on human flesh and live among us.
That was fulfilled in Christmas, and that was thousand years
of prophecy. I said, all right, Christmas is the most
important event in God's history. Then I thought about what
about Easter. Easter is the most important event in man's history.
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Because Michael, Easter answers the question is there life after death?
How do we know can we be sure? Is it
a myth? Is it legend? Is it absolutely true? Truth?
So what you gave me the head up to deal
with was how the dead raised and what kind of
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body they'll have? Paul answers it in one Corinthians fifteen.
Is at interesting?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It is interesting? And well, anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead,
I'm going to get distracted and take you off a
rabbit trail, and I know you've you've got to.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You can take me down any rabbit trail. Hey, you've
taken me down there before, Michael.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So did you? Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I have.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So did you come to the conclusion that Easter is
the most important day of the year and of history
because it is it is by the resurrection that amen?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Amen, And we've all lost loved one. You lost your
brother fairly recently. I've lost a wife, I've lost my parents,
and I lost a younger brother. So all of a sudden,
you know, Michael, this thing of Easter becomes all important
to us personally, and then we sit down and say
it's important to the history of humanity. So let me
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answer those questions just like Paul did. They asked, well,
how the dead raised? What kind of body do you have,
And Paul answered, you know, he said, he said, you fool.
He said that which you soul does not come to
life unless it dies. And he talks about that resurrection
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is a natural thing in civilization, in life. He said,
but God give us a body just as he wished,
and each one of the seeds the body of his own.
First thirty nine, he said, all flesh is not the
same flesh. But there's one flesh of men, and the
other fleasure bees, and the other fleash of birds and
other fleasure fish. He said, they're also heavenly bodies and
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earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly is one
and the glory of the earthly is another. Now he
talks about the glory of the sun the moon. Etca said,
what does he say? He is saying simply, resurrection is
a natural thing in life. Michael, You and I fish
with worms. We have fish with caterpillars. And it's amazing
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to me that that caterpillar can go in that cocoon
and come out a butterfly. It's amazing to me that
tadpole can come out of frog. It's amazing to me
that you can put a seed in the ground. And
I come from a buke colic, redneck background in Mississippi,
as you do in Texas. And that seed will come
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up and whatever that seed and it dies, it comes
up corn, or it comes up tomatoes or whatever. Planet.
So the whole idea of change and resurrection is built
in the fabric of nature. So resurrection is a natural thing,
and therefore we come and see the resurrection also is
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a supernatural thing. And we know that Jesus was imperishable
to the right hand of God, the vinity in heaven.
He came to earth, he became imperishable, and that means
he became human like us. And so we talk about
the resurrection is natural. We see it in nature. Also
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it is supernatural. And he says in verse forty two,
so also the resurrection of the dead is sown a
perishable body. That's when we die, is raise an imperishable body.
I'm going to hold you there this money.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Pastor ed Young, Second Baptist Church in Houston is our guest,
and we will continue our conversation about the meaning of
Easter to us. The push era in Texas ends today
the Michael Berry Show. Pastor I interrupted you. You were
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talking about the Book of Luke, and you were talking
about the importance of Easter. I would like to for
folks who have never had this experience, maybe they hadn't
been to church since they were a child, maybe they
have a rough estimation. Let's talk about the actual the
actual moment around which this happens, and what the Bible
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says happens and what that means. Can you go through
that for us bit by bit, and by the way,
we're going to be in the Book of Luke.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Presumably, Well, I've moved back into Corinthians a little bit
because they matched. Corinthians really explained Luke is a historical
part primarily, as you know, Michael, But Corinthians explains to
us what the history is all about. Now, if you
talk about historical this is interesting. There is more evidence
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that Jesus Christ was bodily raised by the Father from
the dead, then there is evidence that Julius Caesar ever
conquered Britain. In other words, the truth of the resurrection
of the body. It has more historical verification and evidence.
And Michael, you used to be a lawyer. You remember.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's been a while, but I do all right.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
When you go into court, if you got circumstantial evidence
that's overwhelming, right, and then you've got eye witness evidence
that's empirical evidence. That's overwhelming. Michael, You'll win that case
every time, correct, you'd hope, so, yes, I think you would.
And that's what we have in the Resurrection of Christ.
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We see there on that Easter morn. We know the
first people that went to the grave, what did they see?
From a distance, they would have seen a giant stone
rolled way. They were weigh anywhere from a ton and
a half to two tons. And then they would ask
the question, I'm sure, wasn't that stone put over the
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grave of Jesus had the Roman seal around it? And
nobody in that day would break a Roman seal because
it would be immediately punished by death. And then they
would go and they would look into the tomb. They'd
see that it is empty. They'd look at the grave clothes,
and they would see that they were like a chrystalis
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they were still in the form of the body, and
they were looking there and they would see a napkin
neatly folded. All of this is circumstantial evidence. You wonder
what happened. And then you would see the napkin interesting
has real importance for it just a napkin folded there,
the body is gone. Here's the sort of the shadow
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of the body, the cloth still there, the burial garments
still came. The napkin tells you two things of all
in that moment of history. If you were eating and
you were coming back, you got up to do something else,
you would fold your napkin. If you were not coming back,
you just put your napkin down your chair. By the way, Michael,
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this is what we should do today. Incidentally, and so
when they saw that folded napkin in retrospect, they would say,
he's gone and he is coming back. And then you
would see that's a little side street. Then you would
see also other questions being asked, what about those Roman
guards who were there. There's a whole explanation for that.
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And you go on and you see then the eyewitness accounts.
This is I could give a lot of circumstantial evidence,
forensic evidence, but then the empirical evidence would be eye
witness accounts. Jesus dead three days, the Father raised him
from the dead, and then you see eleven different appearances
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over four days, and all kinds of circumstances, to people
who did not believe him, to people who doubted him,
to his friends, to family, and finally to five hundred men.
And that would mean the women would not even be
counted in that day, or the teenagers of the children.
And then you have all of these evidences of that.
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And to give you an illustration, you as an attorney,
if you had five hundred witnesses and they testified, say, oh,
six minutes of peace, you would have over fifty hours
of personal witnesses saying he was dead, I saw him
of the cross and buried, and he is alive. You know,
I think that's the case that even I could win.
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So you have this tremendous evidence of the truth of
the resurrection.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Pastor ed Young of Second Baptist Church is our guests.
With Easter upon us today being Good Friday and Easter
being two days away, let me ask you Good Friday,
the day of Jesus' crucifixion, talk a minute, if you would,
or more than a few minutes about that crucifixion. Why
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was that important as part of everything that was to
be that being one of the major stages.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
In that Well, let me say this reverently Michael. You
are known for your reverend so you just say things
as they are. I'll say this, rep Am, I right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You have said for years, Michael, I enjoy your show,
but sometimes you say some things that make me cring.
You know what, You've been very consistent, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Michael. Let me say this, and I say this irreverently.
Number one, Jesus was a garbage collector. What he did
on that cross, he took all the shame, the lust,
the hypocrisy, the lives, the phoniness, all of that on himself,
all of your garbage and all of my garbage, and
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for that matter, of the world's garbage. And then that
was the only time that the Father turned away from him. God,
the Father, he says, my God, my God, why have
you forsaken me? The reason was, God is holy. He
cannot look and tolerate any form of trash any time, anywhere.
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And here all of that went on Jesus, and Jesus
paid the price that you and I should pay for
all of our trash, and so we will not have
to pay the price when we die and leave this earth.
And so Jesus, the Bible says, went to hell. And
hell is the absence of God. And that's exactly what
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happened to Jesus on the cross. He took all of
our stuff and took all the penalty that you and
I deserve upon himself, so that when we were see
him and our life convicted of sin, confession of sin,
reception of Jesus, my my, then we have a new life,
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a new life in him. Now. He took all of that.
So the heavenly Father, he looks at Michael Barry had
young anyone else who's in Christ, and say, hey, you're
perfect in my sight. And we had to be perfect. Oh,
we never get to heaven. We never would make it
perfection on this earth. Christ demonstrated that perfection, took that
upon himself, and our God is a just God, and
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that satisfied his justice. And this gives us a way
to know that when we're absent for the body in
this life, Michael, we are present with the Lord Almighty
in heaven, as we talk about in a minute, with
that new resurrection body.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Pastor holds, Yes, it does. Pastor edjung As our guest,
will continue our conversation about Easter, the resurrection, why it
matters today, coming on we.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Will restore the American repub Michael verys you for your support.
We will make in America powerful again.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The annual markers we have on the show, I find
the adoption special we do to be very emotional for
me and very powerful Mother's Day, Father's Day, and hopefully
we make people better mothers and fathers out of it.
When we celebrate our veterans, I think hopefully it gives
some pride to our veterans and it makes folks more willing,
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you know, to reach out and thank them and not
take them for granted. Our Easter Friday, Good Friday Easter
Show always reminds me in such a poignant way of
the uplifting message of resurrection and the uplifting message of
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my faith. And intuitively we know that John three point sixteen, right,
but it's just good. And I think Pastor ed Young,
who was for many years. He's no longer the lead
pastor at Second Baptist, his son Bennis, but for so
many years he was the pastor, and I've always felt
this is such a good message. So that's why we
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pull this one out and dusted it off, because I
think it's it's just perfect for our time, Pastor, I
want to rewind you. We've been talking about Easter and
the Sunday. I want to rewind you to Good Friday,
the day of the Crucifixion, and put into perspective what
happened there. Christ was not the only person who was
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put upon across He was not the only person who
was to be stoned to death. But this was an
important part of everything that was supposed to happen, happening
such that Easter and the Resurrection could happen. Describe what
was going on at that time and how this came
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, you know, first of all, Jesus would someone who
always swam upstream. People say, you know, Jesus didn't get
involved in politics. You're involved in politics, Michael, I've gotten
involved in politics. You say, why. Jesus, I think was
a master politician. Politics in this purest definition, means relationships.
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It has to do relationships, and Jesus was God's son
or relation with the Father. And then Jesus moved out
in relationships in the world. And so I say Jesus
got in trouble because he stood against the Pharisees, the Sadducees,
the Esses, the erodients all the political parties of that day.
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You say they weren't political, they most certainly were, because
there was a theocracy, you know, spiritual things combined with
physical things. And when he stood in the way, when
he claims the temple of all the con artists and
money changers that were there and all those who were
fleecing the people, man, that was a political statement, and
that would sort, I think, Michael the last straw. They said,
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we got to get rid of this guy. And that's
the background, a partial background of why they nailed him
to the cross. An innocent man found guilty, and then
God used that to provide for you and me a
way to get right with him now and get right
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for him with him forever. So you can take three
symbols and you can cover Christianity if you fill the gaps.
And the first would be a cradle, and the second
be a cross, two big hunks of wood nailed together
to kill somebody. And the third would be an open
cave the two You take those three things right there,
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very simple, very practical, and you have the whole thrust
of Christianity. Jesus died so that we might know the
truth and the truth will set you free. If we
don't know the truth, what happens, we're not set free.
We're in bondage. And those the world needs to know
the truth that they can know God. God's made himself obatable.
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We can turn away from the trash in our life
and repent and receive him, and he gives us brand
new life and the promise Michael, of a resurrected body
in heaven. And I want to talk about that resurrected
body if we could, just like Paul does here in
Corinthians Perfect, go ahead. Well, the thing about it, your
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body and my body we are deteriorating. Now, you in
great shape, you fast. I know that you've lost a
thousand pounds. How much have you lost, Michael, seventy pounds?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
There you go, There you go. And so that's the temple.
But we know, regardless of how well we eat, run, jog, vitamins, etc.
There's going to come a time in this body that
we I have, as magnificent as it is, is going
to wear out and we're gonna stop breathing and we're
gonna graduate from this life. What happens, then here's the thing.
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Your body in my body is not built for eternity. Correct,
it's not built. It's not gonna hold up. It's gonna be.
We we're gonna waste the way this old body is
gonna rock. What's gonna happen? If we're in Christ. We
get a resurrection body. And this you know. I start
all by saying it is natural, the revelation. Resurrection is natural.
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It's also supernatural. But then Paul tells us the kind
of body we're gonna be. It's beautiful. He says, Behold,
I tell you a mystery. This is the fifty first
verse of First Corinthians. We will not all sleep, let's die.
We will be changed. And in a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye of the last trumpet, for the
trumpet shall sound, and the dead will be raised. Get
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this imperishable and will be changed for this perishable. That's
your body, my body. Now everybody's body must put on
the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. We
get a resurrection body. The prototype Michael is a resurrection
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body Jesus had when God raised him from the dead,
and he lived on this earth for forty days. He
ate fish, he fried fish. He said, hey, Dalton. Thomas
didn't believe that he could come back, and then Jesus said,
look at my hands, look at my feet. He had
a physicality to him, but also he could go from
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here to there, and he was in another dimension. He
could walk right through walls and appear. That is a
prototype of the resurrection body that we'll have in Christ,
in Paradise forever. That's what your brother has right now,
That's what fam have everyone who died in Christ. So
that's a beautiful promise to me. And Paul ends up
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in here he says, oh, Death, where's your victory? Death,
where's your steam? The sting of death is sin, and
sin was taken care of by Jesus, our garbage collector
on the cross. And the power of sin is the
law do right, do wrong, the law that just diagnoses
when we filed up and when we strike out or
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we fumble. But then Paul says, but thanks be the
God who gives us the victory through Jesus Christ, our Lord.
You see the bottom line, Michael, Because Jesus conquered the grave,
we too will conquer the grave. To be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm going to hold you rut there. We will finish
up the show with Pastor ed Young the Second Baptist
Church and talking about how this message relates to our world,
our lives on this day coming on the DA filed
emotion against my chief of stuff, that is enough.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Evidence we had better throw those bombs out of office.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I was asking my email. Will we end up interviewing
another pastor for our Easter message going forward? Maybe maybe
I don't intend to play Pastor ed Young every year.
Maybe we'll put a year or two in between. But
I have to tell you listening to it to make
sure that there weren't references to, you know, a church
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service that's not actually coming up because it was in
the past. Listening to it and hearing the message again
before now, I just find it such a wonderful message.
And I've watched a lot of Easter specials. In fact,
our Saturday podcast tomorrow is the Reverend Billy Graham standing
in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in the rain on a stormy
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talking about another stormy night when Christ was crucified, And
it's just a beautiful, beautiful message. And you know, Reverend
had Young comes from that line of pastors, and I
don't know. I just maybe it appeals just to me.
I'd love to hear from you what you think. But
here you go. I'm going to shut off my mic
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and I'm going to give you up until thirty seconds
left in this segment, which is about seven minutes to
talk about how we can apply this Easter message to
our own lives.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Go ahead, Pastor d Young, When we received Christ into
our lives, he tells us in John ten ten, I
have come that you might have life and have it
more abundantly, and that is life. Now when we come
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to Christ and let him become not only our savior
but our lord to run our life, and it tells
us how we'll have life forever, so that abundant life
begins now the resurrection life actually begins. Now we have
a new life. We are changed, and we use the
old expression, biblical expression, being born again. Isn't that something?
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Old things have passed away? When we receive Christ, we
don't get better, we don't improve, We just become brand
new creations of God. And the resurrection power. Can you
imagine the amount of power it took for the Father
to take Jesus, who was dead three days and take
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that dead body and bring it back to life. What
kind of power is that? That's the power that we
receive and we get when we receive Jesus. Christ said, well,
I don't feel like I have that power. We don't
use it. We use this a small bit of that
resurrection power and that resume direction power that we have.
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It changes our minds, our hearts, our motives, and all
of a sudden we begin to get insight into the broken, godless,
woke culture that is this overwhelming us in our land.
Christ wants to come and use you and use me
to be the salt, the light, the key, the leaven
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to change this world. So all I'm responsible for is
my little rem of the Kingdom of God here now
as a person who is in Christ. And that's all
your responsible for. When we begin to let the light
of God and Christ shine in our lives, the darkness
that we feel that is pervading all around us, we
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will let this little light shine for him. Jesus came
that there may be light, insight, wisdom, and so I
would say, wherever you are, whatever your circumstances, you say, well,
I'm limited here. I have this use that for God
and for Christ, and let him work in and through
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your life. You know, God only has your hands, my hands,
your feet, my feet, your mind, my eyes. That's all
he has, but my goodness. If we turn that over
to Him and let the resurrection power of Christ live
in us, all of a sudden, you know what happens.
Death is dead. That's a big thing to live as
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though you're already in heaven. Heaven begins now in one
sense because death is dead. Not that there's not fear
and apprehension, but it is dead and crucified because we
know to be in Christ, to be absent from this body,
to be present with the Lord. And this gives us
a freedom. This gives us a liberty, and this gives
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us I don't like the word hope. The biblical word
for hope is not our word. We say, well, our
hope it will happen. That's not the biblical word. The
biblical word for hope is I look forward to You
don't say I hope the sun's going to come. But
in the morning, we know the rotation of the earth
around the sun, it's going to appear to come up
in the morning. That's a sure and that's the way
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it is a biblical hope. We know. To be asked
from this body is to be present with the Lord.
And we know that death is dead. And in that
light we can serve in freedom, in liberty without fear,
and we can make a difference in the broken world
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in which we live. Other than that, we're just breathing
air and going through the monotony of life and trying
to do this. And trying to do this, we put
Christ in the center, this resurrected Lord. I can tell you,
ladies and gentlemen, that will change you and everybody. You'll say, boy,
what's happened to bell Man? You know Alice is different.
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Alice has simply said, I've got out of the way myself,
my selfishness, and I'm going to let God work in
my life. Doesn't mean we walk around with pull bit
Bibles under our arm, but it means we walk around
as light barrows in a world that so desperately needs
truth and light to shine in every endeavor in which
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we're part.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Pastor, I'm going to stop you there and ask that
you do one more thing before we close the show.
I've got about a minute and a half and I
want to ask you to pray for our listeners and
for this great country.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
If you would, please, Dear Heavenly Father, all of us
this moment know that America is in trouble, that the
world is in trouble, and we talk about it, we
discuss it, we expressed to one another that and we
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see where we are that America's son has somehow has
wandered away from the basic principles of being a Judeo
Christian nation under a constitution that was written and framed
in prayer by God fearing men. Lord, May we return
to you, may return to your body, the Church, and
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realize that that's what the institution you have put in
this world to permeate everything else. And we know the
gates of hell will not prevail against your church. And
we see the gates of hell being erected around our government,
our White House in Austin, our schools, our institutions. I entertained,
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we see gates of hell all around these things. Father,
But we know that your Church, alive with Christian people,
will permeate that. And that's our hope for today, and
I hope bring us home to you this Easter, Lord,
the realization of what it can mean for men and women,
young people, to come alive from Christ. The life that
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you gave to Jesus will come to us. May we
use that life and that light wherever you find us
today this Easter. Through the name of our resurrected Lord
and Jesus, we pray Amen, Amen, master ed young.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We appreciate you, and we love you. Thank you, brother,
love you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Have a great Easter. Michael
In the radio business has called an appointment setup. It
could be the fact that we play the Captain Kangaroo
or Oh Happy Day. It's a way that using a sonic,
using sound, it's a way that you sat a moment
and a reminder. In musicals, you have what's known as
a late motif, which is also when a character walks
(00:20):
in his music kind of sets the tone. Well, we
have done an Easter special on the good Friday before
Easter for years and today is no different. And we
call back Pastor ed Young a conversation we had with
him a couple of years ago, because y'all seem to
have loved it so much, and frankly, so did we.
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Pastor Young. I'm going to ask you to start us
with the Book of Luke. The Gospels of Luke talk
about the Easter story, but if you could, can you
put into context why the Easter story is important?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
A plus question, Michael, I'll tell you that, you know,
I've sort of came to myself the early part of
this week, by the way. Luke is so important because
of the way he handles history. Luke wrote more of
the New Testament than anybody else. You think John and
Paul know Luke. He wrote acts, you remember, and he
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wrote the Gospel of Luke. More verses are written by Luke.
Luke may be the only gentile who's written anything in
the Bible. He was a medical doctor, as you know,
and a astute historian. So you have touched my number
one guy. I love the Gospel of Luke more than
anything else. But I think what you're asking me is
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the same identical question, Michael, that the church at Carrent
asked Paul. The most definitive chapter in all the Bible
and answering all the questions you and I would ask
is First Corinthians, chapter fifteen. And what you gave me
a little cheat note uphead where we talked about you remember,
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did what you asked me to think about, Michael, is
exactly what they have the apostle Paul in chapter fifteen
of First Corinthians. And they said, but someone will say
verse thirty five, how are the dead raysed? Ooh? And
with what kind of body do they have? What kind
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of body do they come with? And that's exactly what
Easter is all about. Also this past Monday, I woke
up early thinking about Easter. All this week, all the
services everything we have. And then I said, you know,
I'm sort of a hypocrite. I have not exactly expressed
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in all these years of preaching on Christmas and preaching
on Easter, because every Christmas, Michael, I say, this is
the most important date in history. And then I turned
around in Eastern I said, oh no, I said, no, no, no,
Easter is the most important day in history. So you
know both cannot be true. So I sat down, I said,
(03:15):
all right, what's the difference in Christmas and Easter. They're
both over the top, vital important facts in history. And
then I came up with this. I just said, Christmas
is the most important event in God's history. Now what
does that mean? That means all the prophecy of the
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Old Testament, the promise that God would visit this earth Messiah,
God would put on human flesh and live among us.
That was fulfilled in Christmas, and that was thousand years
of prophecy. I said, all right, Christmas is the most
important event in God's history. Then I thought about what
about Easter. Easter is the most important event in man's history.
(04:01):
Because Michael, Easter answers the question is there life after death?
How do we know can we be sure? Is it
a myth? Is it legend? Is it absolutely true? Truth?
So what you gave me the head up to deal
with was how the dead raised and what kind of
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body they'll have? Paul answers it in one Corinthians fifteen.
Is at interesting?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It is interesting? And well, anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead,
I'm going to get distracted and take you off a
rabbit trail, and I know you've you've got to.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You can take me down any rabbit trail. Hey, you've
taken me down there before, Michael.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So did you? Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I have.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So did you come to the conclusion that Easter is
the most important day of the year and of history
because it is it is by the resurrection that amen?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Amen, And we've all lost loved one. You lost your
brother fairly recently. I've lost a wife, I've lost my parents,
and I lost a younger brother. So all of a sudden,
you know, Michael, this thing of Easter becomes all important
to us personally, and then we sit down and say
it's important to the history of humanity. So let me
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answer those questions just like Paul did. They asked, well,
how the dead raised? What kind of body do you have,
And Paul answered, you know, he said, he said, you fool.
He said that which you soul does not come to
life unless it dies. And he talks about that resurrection
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is a natural thing in civilization, in life. He said,
but God give us a body just as he wished,
and each one of the seeds the body of his own.
First thirty nine, he said, all flesh is not the
same flesh. But there's one flesh of men, and the
other fleasure bees, and the other fleash of birds and
other fleasure fish. He said, they're also heavenly bodies and
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earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly is one
and the glory of the earthly is another. Now he
talks about the glory of the sun the moon. Etca said,
what does he say? He is saying simply, resurrection is
a natural thing in life. Michael, You and I fish
with worms. We have fish with caterpillars. And it's amazing
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to me that that caterpillar can go in that cocoon
and come out a butterfly. It's amazing to me that
tadpole can come out of frog. It's amazing to me
that you can put a seed in the ground. And
I come from a buke colic, redneck background in Mississippi,
as you do in Texas. And that seed will come
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up and whatever that seed and it dies, it comes
up corn, or it comes up tomatoes or whatever. Planet.
So the whole idea of change and resurrection is built
in the fabric of nature. So resurrection is a natural thing,
and therefore we come and see the resurrection also is
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a supernatural thing. And we know that Jesus was imperishable
to the right hand of God, the vinity in heaven.
He came to earth, he became imperishable, and that means
he became human like us. And so we talk about
the resurrection is natural. We see it in nature. Also
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it is supernatural. And he says in verse forty two,
so also the resurrection of the dead is sown a
perishable body. That's when we die, is raise an imperishable body.
I'm going to hold you there this money.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Pastor ed Young, Second Baptist Church in Houston is our guest,
and we will continue our conversation about the meaning of
Easter to us. The push era in Texas ends today
the Michael Berry Show. Pastor I interrupted you. You were
(08:14):
talking about the Book of Luke, and you were talking
about the importance of Easter. I would like to for
folks who have never had this experience, maybe they hadn't
been to church since they were a child, maybe they
have a rough estimation. Let's talk about the actual the
actual moment around which this happens, and what the Bible
(08:37):
says happens and what that means. Can you go through
that for us bit by bit, and by the way,
we're going to be in the Book of Luke.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Presumably, Well, I've moved back into Corinthians a little bit
because they matched. Corinthians really explained Luke is a historical
part primarily, as you know, Michael, But Corinthians explains to
us what the history is all about. Now, if you
talk about historical this is interesting. There is more evidence
(09:06):
that Jesus Christ was bodily raised by the Father from
the dead, then there is evidence that Julius Caesar ever
conquered Britain. In other words, the truth of the resurrection
of the body. It has more historical verification and evidence.
And Michael, you used to be a lawyer. You remember.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's been a while, but I do all right.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
When you go into court, if you got circumstantial evidence
that's overwhelming, right, and then you've got eye witness evidence
that's empirical evidence. That's overwhelming. Michael, You'll win that case
every time, correct, you'd hope, so, yes, I think you would.
And that's what we have in the Resurrection of Christ.
(09:50):
We see there on that Easter morn. We know the
first people that went to the grave, what did they see?
From a distance, they would have seen a giant stone
rolled way. They were weigh anywhere from a ton and
a half to two tons. And then they would ask
the question, I'm sure, wasn't that stone put over the
(10:10):
grave of Jesus had the Roman seal around it? And
nobody in that day would break a Roman seal because
it would be immediately punished by death. And then they
would go and they would look into the tomb. They'd
see that it is empty. They'd look at the grave clothes,
and they would see that they were like a chrystalis
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they were still in the form of the body, and
they were looking there and they would see a napkin
neatly folded. All of this is circumstantial evidence. You wonder
what happened. And then you would see the napkin interesting
has real importance for it just a napkin folded there,
the body is gone. Here's the sort of the shadow
(10:52):
of the body, the cloth still there, the burial garments
still came. The napkin tells you two things of all
in that moment of history. If you were eating and
you were coming back, you got up to do something else,
you would fold your napkin. If you were not coming back,
you just put your napkin down your chair. By the way, Michael,
(11:15):
this is what we should do today. Incidentally, and so
when they saw that folded napkin in retrospect, they would say,
he's gone and he is coming back. And then you
would see that's a little side street. Then you would
see also other questions being asked, what about those Roman
guards who were there. There's a whole explanation for that.
(11:38):
And you go on and you see then the eyewitness accounts.
This is I could give a lot of circumstantial evidence,
forensic evidence, but then the empirical evidence would be eye
witness accounts. Jesus dead three days, the Father raised him
from the dead, and then you see eleven different appearances
(11:59):
over four days, and all kinds of circumstances, to people
who did not believe him, to people who doubted him,
to his friends, to family, and finally to five hundred men.
And that would mean the women would not even be
counted in that day, or the teenagers of the children.
And then you have all of these evidences of that.
(12:20):
And to give you an illustration, you as an attorney,
if you had five hundred witnesses and they testified, say, oh,
six minutes of peace, you would have over fifty hours
of personal witnesses saying he was dead, I saw him
of the cross and buried, and he is alive. You know,
I think that's the case that even I could win.
(12:43):
So you have this tremendous evidence of the truth of
the resurrection.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Pastor ed Young of Second Baptist Church is our guests.
With Easter upon us today being Good Friday and Easter
being two days away, let me ask you Good Friday,
the day of Jesus' crucifixion, talk a minute, if you would,
or more than a few minutes about that crucifixion. Why
(13:08):
was that important as part of everything that was to
be that being one of the major stages.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
In that Well, let me say this reverently Michael. You
are known for your reverend so you just say things
as they are. I'll say this, rep Am, I right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You have said for years, Michael, I enjoy your show,
but sometimes you say some things that make me cring.
You know what, You've been very consistent, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Michael. Let me say this, and I say this irreverently.
Number one, Jesus was a garbage collector. What he did
on that cross, he took all the shame, the lust,
the hypocrisy, the lives, the phoniness, all of that on himself,
all of your garbage and all of my garbage, and
(14:04):
for that matter, of the world's garbage. And then that
was the only time that the Father turned away from him. God,
the Father, he says, my God, my God, why have
you forsaken me? The reason was, God is holy. He
cannot look and tolerate any form of trash any time, anywhere.
(14:25):
And here all of that went on Jesus, and Jesus
paid the price that you and I should pay for
all of our trash, and so we will not have
to pay the price when we die and leave this earth.
And so Jesus, the Bible says, went to hell. And
hell is the absence of God. And that's exactly what
(14:48):
happened to Jesus on the cross. He took all of
our stuff and took all the penalty that you and
I deserve upon himself, so that when we were see
him and our life convicted of sin, confession of sin,
reception of Jesus, my my, then we have a new life,
(15:10):
a new life in him. Now. He took all of that.
So the heavenly Father, he looks at Michael Barry had
young anyone else who's in Christ, and say, hey, you're
perfect in my sight. And we had to be perfect. Oh,
we never get to heaven. We never would make it
perfection on this earth. Christ demonstrated that perfection, took that
upon himself, and our God is a just God, and
(15:33):
that satisfied his justice. And this gives us a way
to know that when we're absent for the body in
this life, Michael, we are present with the Lord Almighty
in heaven, as we talk about in a minute, with
that new resurrection body.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Pastor holds, Yes, it does. Pastor edjung As our guest,
will continue our conversation about Easter, the resurrection, why it
matters today, coming on we.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Will restore the American repub Michael verys you for your support.
We will make in America powerful again.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The annual markers we have on the show, I find
the adoption special we do to be very emotional for
me and very powerful Mother's Day, Father's Day, and hopefully
we make people better mothers and fathers out of it.
When we celebrate our veterans, I think hopefully it gives
some pride to our veterans and it makes folks more willing,
(16:33):
you know, to reach out and thank them and not
take them for granted. Our Easter Friday, Good Friday Easter
Show always reminds me in such a poignant way of
the uplifting message of resurrection and the uplifting message of
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my faith. And intuitively we know that John three point sixteen, right,
but it's just good. And I think Pastor ed Young,
who was for many years. He's no longer the lead
pastor at Second Baptist, his son Bennis, but for so
many years he was the pastor, and I've always felt
this is such a good message. So that's why we
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pull this one out and dusted it off, because I
think it's it's just perfect for our time, Pastor, I
want to rewind you. We've been talking about Easter and
the Sunday. I want to rewind you to Good Friday,
the day of the Crucifixion, and put into perspective what
happened there. Christ was not the only person who was
(17:34):
put upon across He was not the only person who
was to be stoned to death. But this was an
important part of everything that was supposed to happen, happening
such that Easter and the Resurrection could happen. Describe what
was going on at that time and how this came
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, you know, first of all, Jesus would someone who
always swam upstream. People say, you know, Jesus didn't get
involved in politics. You're involved in politics, Michael, I've gotten
involved in politics. You say, why. Jesus, I think was
a master politician. Politics in this purest definition, means relationships.
(18:21):
It has to do relationships, and Jesus was God's son
or relation with the Father. And then Jesus moved out
in relationships in the world. And so I say Jesus
got in trouble because he stood against the Pharisees, the Sadducees,
the Esses, the erodients all the political parties of that day.
(18:42):
You say they weren't political, they most certainly were, because
there was a theocracy, you know, spiritual things combined with
physical things. And when he stood in the way, when
he claims the temple of all the con artists and
money changers that were there and all those who were
fleecing the people, man, that was a political statement, and
that would sort, I think, Michael the last straw. They said,
(19:06):
we got to get rid of this guy. And that's
the background, a partial background of why they nailed him
to the cross. An innocent man found guilty, and then
God used that to provide for you and me a
way to get right with him now and get right
(19:27):
for him with him forever. So you can take three
symbols and you can cover Christianity if you fill the gaps.
And the first would be a cradle, and the second
be a cross, two big hunks of wood nailed together
to kill somebody. And the third would be an open
cave the two You take those three things right there,
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very simple, very practical, and you have the whole thrust
of Christianity. Jesus died so that we might know the
truth and the truth will set you free. If we
don't know the truth, what happens, we're not set free.
We're in bondage. And those the world needs to know
the truth that they can know God. God's made himself obatable.
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We can turn away from the trash in our life
and repent and receive him, and he gives us brand
new life and the promise Michael, of a resurrected body
in heaven. And I want to talk about that resurrected
body if we could, just like Paul does here in
Corinthians Perfect, go ahead. Well, the thing about it, your
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body and my body we are deteriorating. Now, you in
great shape, you fast. I know that you've lost a
thousand pounds. How much have you lost, Michael, seventy pounds?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
There you go, There you go. And so that's the temple.
But we know, regardless of how well we eat, run, jog, vitamins, etc.
There's going to come a time in this body that
we I have, as magnificent as it is, is going
to wear out and we're gonna stop breathing and we're
gonna graduate from this life. What happens, then here's the thing.
(21:13):
Your body in my body is not built for eternity. Correct,
it's not built. It's not gonna hold up. It's gonna be.
We we're gonna waste the way this old body is
gonna rock. What's gonna happen? If we're in Christ. We
get a resurrection body. And this you know. I start
all by saying it is natural, the revelation. Resurrection is natural.
(21:38):
It's also supernatural. But then Paul tells us the kind
of body we're gonna be. It's beautiful. He says, Behold,
I tell you a mystery. This is the fifty first
verse of First Corinthians. We will not all sleep, let's die.
We will be changed. And in a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye of the last trumpet, for the
trumpet shall sound, and the dead will be raised. Get
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this imperishable and will be changed for this perishable. That's
your body, my body. Now everybody's body must put on
the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. We
get a resurrection body. The prototype Michael is a resurrection
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body Jesus had when God raised him from the dead,
and he lived on this earth for forty days. He
ate fish, he fried fish. He said, hey, Dalton. Thomas
didn't believe that he could come back, and then Jesus said,
look at my hands, look at my feet. He had
a physicality to him, but also he could go from
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here to there, and he was in another dimension. He
could walk right through walls and appear. That is a
prototype of the resurrection body that we'll have in Christ,
in Paradise forever. That's what your brother has right now,
That's what fam have everyone who died in Christ. So
that's a beautiful promise to me. And Paul ends up
(23:06):
in here he says, oh, Death, where's your victory? Death,
where's your steam? The sting of death is sin, and
sin was taken care of by Jesus, our garbage collector
on the cross. And the power of sin is the
law do right, do wrong, the law that just diagnoses
when we filed up and when we strike out or
(23:27):
we fumble. But then Paul says, but thanks be the
God who gives us the victory through Jesus Christ, our Lord.
You see the bottom line, Michael, Because Jesus conquered the grave,
we too will conquer the grave. To be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm going to hold you rut there. We will finish
up the show with Pastor ed Young the Second Baptist
Church and talking about how this message relates to our world,
our lives on this day coming on the DA filed
emotion against my chief of stuff, that is enough.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Evidence we had better throw those bombs out of office.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I was asking my email. Will we end up interviewing
another pastor for our Easter message going forward? Maybe maybe
I don't intend to play Pastor ed Young every year.
Maybe we'll put a year or two in between. But
I have to tell you listening to it to make
sure that there weren't references to, you know, a church
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service that's not actually coming up because it was in
the past. Listening to it and hearing the message again
before now, I just find it such a wonderful message.
And I've watched a lot of Easter specials. In fact,
our Saturday podcast tomorrow is the Reverend Billy Graham standing
in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in the rain on a stormy
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talking about another stormy night when Christ was crucified, And
it's just a beautiful, beautiful message. And you know, Reverend
had Young comes from that line of pastors, and I
don't know. I just maybe it appeals just to me.
I'd love to hear from you what you think. But
here you go. I'm going to shut off my mic
(25:21):
and I'm going to give you up until thirty seconds
left in this segment, which is about seven minutes to
talk about how we can apply this Easter message to
our own lives.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Go ahead, Pastor d Young, When we received Christ into
our lives, he tells us in John ten ten, I
have come that you might have life and have it
more abundantly, and that is life. Now when we come
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to Christ and let him become not only our savior
but our lord to run our life, and it tells
us how we'll have life forever, so that abundant life
begins now the resurrection life actually begins. Now we have
a new life. We are changed, and we use the
old expression, biblical expression, being born again. Isn't that something?
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Old things have passed away? When we receive Christ, we
don't get better, we don't improve, We just become brand
new creations of God. And the resurrection power. Can you
imagine the amount of power it took for the Father
to take Jesus, who was dead three days and take
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that dead body and bring it back to life. What
kind of power is that? That's the power that we
receive and we get when we receive Jesus. Christ said, well,
I don't feel like I have that power. We don't
use it. We use this a small bit of that
resurrection power and that resume direction power that we have.
(27:02):
It changes our minds, our hearts, our motives, and all
of a sudden we begin to get insight into the broken, godless,
woke culture that is this overwhelming us in our land.
Christ wants to come and use you and use me
to be the salt, the light, the key, the leaven
(27:27):
to change this world. So all I'm responsible for is
my little rem of the Kingdom of God here now
as a person who is in Christ. And that's all
your responsible for. When we begin to let the light
of God and Christ shine in our lives, the darkness
that we feel that is pervading all around us, we
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will let this little light shine for him. Jesus came
that there may be light, insight, wisdom, and so I
would say, wherever you are, whatever your circumstances, you say, well,
I'm limited here. I have this use that for God
and for Christ, and let him work in and through
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your life. You know, God only has your hands, my hands,
your feet, my feet, your mind, my eyes. That's all
he has, but my goodness. If we turn that over
to Him and let the resurrection power of Christ live
in us, all of a sudden, you know what happens.
Death is dead. That's a big thing to live as
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though you're already in heaven. Heaven begins now in one
sense because death is dead. Not that there's not fear
and apprehension, but it is dead and crucified because we
know to be in Christ, to be absent from this body,
to be present with the Lord. And this gives us
a freedom. This gives us a liberty, and this gives
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us I don't like the word hope. The biblical word
for hope is not our word. We say, well, our
hope it will happen. That's not the biblical word. The
biblical word for hope is I look forward to You
don't say I hope the sun's going to come. But
in the morning, we know the rotation of the earth
around the sun, it's going to appear to come up
in the morning. That's a sure and that's the way
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it is a biblical hope. We know. To be asked
from this body is to be present with the Lord.
And we know that death is dead. And in that
light we can serve in freedom, in liberty without fear,
and we can make a difference in the broken world
(29:41):
in which we live. Other than that, we're just breathing
air and going through the monotony of life and trying
to do this. And trying to do this, we put
Christ in the center, this resurrected Lord. I can tell you,
ladies and gentlemen, that will change you and everybody. You'll say, boy,
what's happened to bell Man? You know Alice is different.
(30:04):
Alice has simply said, I've got out of the way myself,
my selfishness, and I'm going to let God work in
my life. Doesn't mean we walk around with pull bit
Bibles under our arm, but it means we walk around
as light barrows in a world that so desperately needs
truth and light to shine in every endeavor in which
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we're part.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Pastor, I'm going to stop you there and ask that
you do one more thing before we close the show.
I've got about a minute and a half and I
want to ask you to pray for our listeners and
for this great country.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
If you would, please, Dear Heavenly Father, all of us
this moment know that America is in trouble, that the
world is in trouble, and we talk about it, we
discuss it, we expressed to one another that and we
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see where we are that America's son has somehow has
wandered away from the basic principles of being a Judeo
Christian nation under a constitution that was written and framed
in prayer by God fearing men. Lord, May we return
to you, may return to your body, the Church, and
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realize that that's what the institution you have put in
this world to permeate everything else. And we know the
gates of hell will not prevail against your church. And
we see the gates of hell being erected around our government,
our White House in Austin, our schools, our institutions. I entertained,
(31:49):
we see gates of hell all around these things. Father,
But we know that your Church, alive with Christian people,
will permeate that. And that's our hope for today, and
I hope bring us home to you this Easter, Lord,
the realization of what it can mean for men and women,
young people, to come alive from Christ. The life that
(32:12):
you gave to Jesus will come to us. May we
use that life and that light wherever you find us
today this Easter. Through the name of our resurrected Lord
and Jesus, we pray Amen, Amen, master ed young.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We appreciate you, and we love you. Thank you, brother,
love you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Have a great Easter. Michael
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