MB Talks To Chad Norville Of Rigzone

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com forward slash Berry. So I thought what we'd do
because I'm fascinated, as you know, by the energy industry
and we talk about it a lot. A lot of
you send me emails from the oil patch, whether you're
on an offshore platform or you're in downtown Houston in
the c suite of your own company, talking about the
energy industry and insights. And I thought, well, who better

(02:03):
than rig zone, which is a a at the at
the uh, what's the term I'm looking for, the pivot point,
the bullpen, you know, the pictures mound of what's going
on in in energy. So Chad Norville, their CEO, CFO,
c HO, he's everything Ramon. He has every title, he

(02:24):
makes a lot of money. He agreed to be our
guest and I'm honored that he did.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Chad, you don't have to mention the money.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean, do I have to do I have to
call you, mister Norville? Or can I call you Chad?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Chad? Please?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Do you have a secretary because people don't have secretaries anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, I don't have a secretary.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you have an assistant? I?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, no I don't. Actually I don't have an assistant.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
You don't have anything. Nope, Man, I have an assistant
and I'm nobody.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well you're a little more than that, I think.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Does anybody at the company refer to you as mister Norville?
Be honest, No, they don't do. Y'all have a mail runner? No,
do you have anything we used to have when I
started off in business in the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
No, it's technical, it's all. It's all email and and shot.
We we have a massive email system. Actually that has
taken the place. We send over thirty million emails a month.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, I know what. That's not as interesting as knowing
like if I go to your kitchen on your what
floor of what floor are you on in your in
your office building?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
We're on the top floor, the top floor.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh you heard that? Oh he's kind of does suddenly
drop that? In what building? Is it?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Uh? We're on two ninety.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, if I go into the kitchen, there is there
a vending machine or a coke machine? And is the
stuff free to employees or do I have to pay
for it?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's free. We have cokes and sodas and water machines.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Cheed. Can I tell you a quick story before we
get into this. Chad Norville is the CEO of rigzone
dot com. By the way, So when I was a
college student, I had a classmate who was a little
older than me named Carl Barris, and Carl was a genius.
He was graduating from the University of Houston Engineering School.
And let's just say I wasn't an engineer, very very
technically smart individual high IQ full scholarship, hold deal. And

(04:20):
he was interning and then he had just accepted a
job at Compact Computers. Rod Canyon was the CEO at
the time, and he gave my wife and I a
tour of their campus and he had a fob keeps.
The first time I ever saw it was the old
white like crowncastle looked like a credit card and he swiped.
He wore it around his neck around the lanyard and

(04:43):
he swiped it. Now I don't know how old you are,
but in nineteen eighty nine or ninety this was a
big deal and we went in in the highlight of
our tour. We were poor college kids. Was he took
us to the kitchen, the employee kitchen, and he goes,
you want to coke, and I don't have any. It's free,
And I pulled out a cup and I put it

(05:03):
under the coke machine and there was like you could
make a suicide. We called them a suicide. When I
was a kid, you could put coke and doctor pepper
and it was free in Chad. To this day, I
still think about that, so I'm happy to hear y'all
give away free cokes.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it's amazing that things along your path that really
still stand out. I worked at IBM for a while
and I went up to armonk which is their headquarters
outside of New York City, and was just blown away
by the legacy, the breadth of the campus. You know,
I've been out to California and seeing the Oracle and
all of these massive campuses and just sitting IBM annoying

(05:39):
the legacy.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Then listen, I'm not paying you because you mentioned Oracle
in there. If you thought that was a little drop
you were going to do and send me an invoice.
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I heard you mentioned oricle on that.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Wait.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
So if I had told you when I so politely,
I guess emily asked you to do it. But if
when I asked you to have a discussion, not an
interview of discussion with me, and I told you at
the first five minutes I was going to talk about
stupid stuff, would you have reconsidered to be honest?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I would not have no very down the earth guy.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
So, uh, how did you end up at rig zone?
Let's start there, and then I want to get into
the energy industry.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, I actually was that IBM. I'd worked for AT
and T for a while. You know what, Initially, my
my family is oil and gas to the core. My
grandfather worked at Shell for thirty years and retired in
Dear Park. My other grandfather was a local union president
pipe fitter in the pipe Fitters union. So I grew
up with it. So out of school, I thought I
started getting into computers and programming a little bit. And

(06:35):
you know, the oil and gas was in the in
the in the blood, so I thought I'd maybe do
a little programming in learn some ol and gas skills.
So I started going to school. I played soccer at
first in college and then I transferred back to u
h C.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Very deleted. Dude, that's a big deal. Any collegiate do
was it? D one?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It was No, it was in Ai. This was in
the mid nineties.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Who did you play at college soccer?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It was in Iowa. It was a school in Siux
City called Westmore University.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well that's still school.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah. The soccer team was amazing that we had six
All Americans and our coach was the coach of the
sus City Breeze, which was the professional league before MLS.
So yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Were you all American?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
No? No, everybody but you. Well I was a fullback
marking back.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Okay, my son plays I played high school soccer and
he is a center midfielder. I didn't go up playing soccer.
So I have to repeat that to myself, so I
remember it because I've had to learn a whole new
vernacular that I did not already know, and it doesn't
come naturally. You know, you kind of you absorb things

(07:49):
about football, whether you played it or not, or baseball
or basketball because it's just part of our lingo. But
soccer is for an American kid, especially in Southeast texts,
not something that you would have known already whole with
me for just a moment. Had Norville is the uh
Grand Puba of rigzone dot com, and we're going to
talk about the energy industry and what's going on. And
I gotta tell you, whether you're in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi,

(08:12):
a lot of Florida, Texas and beyond, this is going
to be a big part of our economy and it's
roaring back. I hope that's what he's gonna say.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's the end of the world as we know it.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Michael Berry, ends of the world.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Come nil fon.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Chad Norville is our guest. He is the CEO of
rigzone dot com. And as we look at what's going
to happen in the economy, and that means jobs, that
means spending, that means optimism. It's Liberation Day as of
January twentieth, as our President said, the energy industry is
going to be a big part not just for where

(09:49):
I live, but of the country's resurgence. And I wanted
to go to the source and that's Chadnorville at rigzone
dot com to tell us what is happening in the industry,
what are you seeing and what do you foresee in
the coming year, And I'll hang up and listen.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, of course, so unleashed American energy. Right, It's been
a fascinating week, to say the least. We have an
editorial team and I talked to editor on Friday and
he's icing his hands because he's talking so much. In
the last week. There's been so many traumatic changes. These
executive orders have unleashed a lot of potential. There's really

(10:24):
some fascinating things that are going to help our industry,
and I think a couple of them. You know, removing
the ban on exports of LERG is critical and we'll
have a very quick impact. That was pretty shocking last
year whenever the Biden administration suddenly over night chat.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I've talked about that, but let me interrupt you. Some
people know exactly what you're talking about. And of course
Mike Johnson told the story the other day about that.
But why don't you explain that to people that don't
know and how big a deal that is?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, so you know, certain areas of our country the
Marcella shell, for instance, it's massive for natural gas. That's
the you know, largest portion of what they do. There,
a lot of the fully integrated you know, the drillers.
Everyone produces gas in addition to oil. Every all gets
the focus all prices. Natural gas is a key component

(11:19):
to our industry, very important. It's very important to national security.
Our allies rely on it, especially with what's going on
in Ukraine. You know, Europe got a lot of their
natural gas from Russia. Uh So, whenever Biden's administration did
this last year, it you know, it imperiled our allies.
That imperiled our national security and ability to help our

(11:40):
allies and you know, support our national interests. So in
addition to the the heart that it inflicted on the
all the companies, you know, from all up and down
the chain, from the full multinational fully integrated down to
you know, the smaller independence So uh, it was a
pretty massive shockwave across the industry. Whenever he did that

(12:03):
last year, I think it had a pretty detrimental effect.
We saw it last year. I think that was one
of the things that really had a pretty negative impact
on the industry last year, and we saw it with
our job fairs that we do, and all of the
key locations you know, started dwindling, and you know, the
needs for employees, you know, starts waning. I think that
had a pretty significant impact on it. And not to

(12:24):
mention it's not just our allies and national security, you
know deficits, you know, with with other countries that those
deficits are reduced whenever we have significant natural gas you know,
flowing out exporting it from the United States, So that
doesn't get talked about much, but there's an impact there
as well. So yeah, it was dramatic, shocking when he

(12:45):
did it. I don't think it got played up near
as much as it should have. But you know, I
know Rick Perry said that that was one of the
things that he was most excited about. I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, it's kind of interesting because your industry energy from
you know, oil rigs is where we get the rigzone
dot Com, which is kind of at the center of
the energy industry in your sort of a stock exchange
of information for people interested in that sector of the economy,

(13:16):
which it's so big, and yet there is so little
talk about it. I mean, I guess you know, you'll
hear a reference to what the price of gas is
at the pump. But there's so much more to it
than that, and it's surprising that we don't hear more
about that. So let's pivot to where we are. Now,
what are you seeing? What are you hearing is already happening,

(13:39):
if anything, as a result result of the Trump administration
and just as importantly not being the Biden administration.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, so we have two different angles in which we
gather information, right, we have our editorial team, which you
know focuses almost exclusively on oil and gas in our industry.
We talked to, you know, all of the largest players
in the analyst side, so you know, Commodities Research at,
City Group, Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, Rice, Commodities Research

(14:10):
heads at you know, all the large institutions. You know,
we're on the regular basis talking to these folks, getting
their analysis, hearing you know what research their teams are
putting together and telling clients and large industrial investors. So
you know, we get that side, and we get you know,
a pretty broad macro oriented view. Ben. You know, we
work with all the largest national old companies. You know,

(14:33):
over the last ten years we've worked nearly all of them,
ninety nine percent of them. Drilling contractors service all the
big service companies all the way down to like I said,
the small companies. We do advertising and recruitment services for those,
you know, all all up and down the chains, so
we get their insights too, and we're working with them
on job fulfillment, right. We're trying to place candidates for them, professionals,

(14:55):
you know, get them out in the ole field or
in the patch. So we're getting both sides, and so
first and foremost both of them are saying, you know,
eat a lotterally that or universally that this unleashed American
energy and all of the I think it was six
pretty broad executive orders of the forty six, but Trump
issued are an overwhelming too. For our industry. It's fantastic,

(15:20):
you know. And it's not just everyone focuses on public
lands and drilling, and that's important and useful, but it's
more of reducing the strain on regulatory impacts for us
trying to get permitting. That's important.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
And what kind of regulatory handcuffs do we see that
you would if I made you king for a day
and you had no political pressures and no greeny weenies
protesting outside your house. What would be some of the
low hanging fruit that you'd say, Man, if Trump will
just do this, we'll see what. We'll see hiring resume,
We'll see drilling resume, we'll see refining resume.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think just the time to get a permit in
and of itself, it increased significantly under the Biden administration.
That's almost a year now just to get a standard
permit that in and of itself, and that is something
that they're focused on streamlining the permitting process in and
of itself, that singular would be very beneficial.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
You know what's so funny about that, Chad Norville as
our guest, he's the CEO of rigzone dot com, is
you see this in real estate. You see communities like
Denver where they seemingly California, where they don't want you
to build, and the way they do it is they
simply slow roll, drag their feet on on on permits,

(16:38):
and so you start, you got borrowing costs, or even
if you're paying cash, you got money tied up. When
you lock down a property and you can't begin to
start breaking ground for a year or two, that's money lost.
On that that has to be recouped on the back end. Well,
I didn't even think about it. But in your business,
that's the same thing. If you can't if you can't

(16:59):
begin to drill or or whatever that aspect of the
energy industry you are, that's a cost that's being passed
on to the rest of us. It's jobs that are
not being fulfilled. Who's hiring right now? Or is it
the independence is the big boys? Is it everybody?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, so everyone's hiring, but you know it's not picking
up significantly right now. We're seeing a lot of the
big places and.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I'm sorry, my clock management is worse than less miles.
We'll continue our conversation with Chad Norvil on who's hiring
right now? Of rigzone dot com, all your energy news.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
They remain scared to death of you, and they remain
scared to death of Trump the Michael Show.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
You're not going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not.

(17:56):
Chad Norble is our guest. He is the CEO of
rigzone dot com. And if you don't know, I'm sure
you do. It is a marketplace of information about the
energy industry. It is also to my knowledge, he'll correct
me if I'm wrong, the largest job placement entity for
people in the energy industry. When people are hiring or

(18:16):
looking for a job in the energy industry, they go
to rigzone dot com. Are y'all the biggest in the space?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yes, we're the largest. We're the largest for jobs and
news for the olengas industry.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, okay, so tell me about you were about to say,
who's hiring, and particularly who's hiring. That's a marginal difference
from what we saw six months ago. Who's beginning to
hire a new or increasing their hiring.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah. So I think in general, what we're hearing from
the medium to larger sized firms is that they're expecting
a relatively flat twenty twenty five relative to twenty twenty four.
Like I said, there's a lot of optimism in the marketplace,
but there are headwinds, you know. Like I told you earlier,

(19:02):
the Trump administration is looking to reduce some of the
red tape for permitting and whatnot. But there are other
things that have happened that are going to provide legal
challenges to that. Last year of the Supreme Court put
an end to the Chevron defense. That's pretty challenging because
it's going to allow some use to if there was

(19:24):
some unclear uncertainty and a law or a principle, then
the courts would refer to some administrative agency. Now that's
not the case anymore. That would have been very beneficial
under Trump's unleashed American Energy Policy AJATA. That's not the
case necessarily anymore. So there may be legal challenges there.
So I feel like the discussions we're having is kind

(19:46):
of a wait and see approach. But you know, cautiously optimistic.
That's what we're hearing from the larger producers, the medium
and smallers. We're hearing more optimism, you know, more near
term optimism on hiring, uh, fast tracking projects, you know,
getting permits, doing different things of that nature. So as
far as who's hiring, that's what we're seeing in the

(20:08):
you know, and and it's you know, we operate worldwide,
it's different geographically. I'm talking about just the United States.
So we're seeing we do job fares and all the
key oil and gas markets, you know, Texas obviously, Houston, Midland,
we do some in Lafayette for Louisiana, we do some
in North Dakota and in Pennsylvania for Marcellas so what

(20:30):
we're seeing is a lot of tech roles filled operations
types of roles that those are the things that I've
been seeing and I'm still seeing with the job fares
that we're putting together now and who we're talking to.
You go on rig zone and find a patrol, engineer, mechanical,
let's go engineer, you know, SEEO physical roles. Uh, those
are always there, but we see large changes as the

(20:52):
cycles change. Right we saw things during the pandemic for instance,
it went to a lot of white collar office roles. Uh.
Now we're seeing a lot of tech roles, so field
service technicians i n e. Technicians that's instrumentation and electrical mechanics.
Those are the types of roles right now. We're seeing
a lot a lot of instrumentation, a lot of electrical,
a lot of valve technicians. Those types of field roles

(21:16):
are the things that we're really seeing the most right now.
And I'm not seeing any changing that yet, although, like
I said, we've talked to some fairly large players that
are not signing up for our juffers right now but
looking to do, you know, signing up for three or
four months down the road. So it feels like there
is the wait and see kind of how how are
the tariffs going to play out? You know, there's so

(21:36):
many positives. Like I said, there's so many uh you know,
really three things coming out of the famish American energy policy.
But at the same time, there are headwinds potentially out
there that you know, when it comes to the massive
capital expenditures that some of these companies are responsible for.
You know, the risks are potentially reduced, but there's other
risks and new variables coming into play. Tariffs on can

(22:00):
in Mexico that would be interesting, right, And those people
that pull the you know, have access to the first
strings and pull those strings at these large companies, you know,
billion dollar projects and more. They have to be cautious
and see what those impacts are. What is old price
going to be? At the end of the day, it's
still supply, demand and geopolitics that drives our industry. Price

(22:23):
is king and this it's not like it was ten
years ago. You know, ten years ago, in the real heyday,
we had three times the amount of rigs in the
United States that they do now or more. It was
all about supply. You know, demand was stable and growing
and are we going to be able to make meat supply.
Now it has turned on its head and now it's
about demand. China's fallen away, you know. There we talked

(22:46):
about real estate. Their real estate debacle has really buckled
their economy, and so their demand is off. But there
are a lot of emerging markets. Demand is not going anywhere.
The oil and gas industry is not going anywhere. You know,
We're fortunate we have some renewables and such, just so
oil is in one hundred and twenty dollars a barrel.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Frankly, Yeah, it's uh, it's fascinating. Do you watch LAMB Man,
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I have the whole season recorded. I haven't had then
spend a busy start of the year. But we're going
out to Midland for a job for the next week,
and some of our colleagues out there that we work
with have insisted that I watch it before it comes,
so it may be on the agenda this week.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Okay. I have to warn you because a lot of
people in your industry hate it because it's not one
hundred percent exact, and I go, look, I watch movies
about courtroom lawyers, and I don't go, that's not really
what it's like because it would ruin it. Right, cops
will tell you that's not really what it's like. So
it may that you may have too much information, but

(23:48):
I will tell you after sling Blade his finest role,
and after Friday Night Lights its second finest role, this
is my third favorite role by Billy Bob Thornton, and
he is so darn good in this role. It's just
it's amazing. He's he just nails it. I have so
many relatives that he reminds me of, Like you wouldn't

(24:11):
believe chat let me ask you a question. I didn't
want to interrupt you, which is hard for me because
I'm an interrupt. Chad Norvil is the CEO of rigzone
dot com. You mentioned that the job that a lot
of the jobs that are available now are in instrumentation,
and I know a little about the industry, and I
know that my wife was at El Paso Energy and

(24:32):
and you know twenty five years ago they were using
technology to open and close valves, which was why Y
two K was so important to what they were doing.
But when you look at the role of AI, which
scares people today, how fast do you think AI is

(24:52):
going to if at all is going to replace the
jobs of people who are reading, calibrating, doing workovers, are
teared out, they're doing things that relate to the instrumentation
and the importance of that instrumentation. How much in how

(25:13):
fast do you think that's going to affect that?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I think it will affect it, But I think it's
just going to change the mechanisms in which you work
and operate. And I've seen that in what I do.
You know, we've released some AI tools onto our website
as well here in the last two weeks. Actually we've
been working on them for a year. Uh. They all
benefit the recruiters in the industry, you know, salary information.

(25:39):
Go ask for some salary information on Rigson's new AI
riggs on GPT chatbot and see what you get from it.
It's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
You know, we have looked at a bunch of different
cover letters over the years, you know, did qualitative maintenance
on them and found the ones that we thought were
most accurate and the recruiters would appreciate the outlining how
our work history would apply most directly to a job.
And we trained the model an AI model, and now

(26:09):
we're leveraging that model for our candidates and the recruiters
because it's going to highlight for them more effectively and efficiently.
You know what that candidate is bringing to the table.
That's live for free now for candidates, and what our
recruiters get whenever they sign up on a rig zone.
So I'm fully embracing it. I'm more productive now.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Glen Garry, Glenn Ross ABC. Always be closing. Dude, you're
throwing the website in there. You're throwing in what y'all do?
I mean? It's impressive? Hold with me. Chad Norville is
the CEO of rigzone dot com and obviously did I
mention he's chief sales officer. Too remote you you could
appreciate that he doesn't go it's tramone and do stupid ding.
He just kind of eases it in there. Hold on.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
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So Michael Errishow is on the air.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
This town needs an edema.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
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Speaker 1 (27:10):
Guest, He's the CEO of rigzone dot com and if
you go to the website you'll see that, in addition
to be a marketplace from the industry, not the outside
press that tends to hate energy, the greeny weenies and
the left wingers. It is from within the industry. It
is information about the energy industry. And it's also the

(27:31):
largest job placement within the industry for all sorts of jobs,
and they're hiring. And that's that was the real reason.
We reached out to Chadnorville of rigzone dot com as
part of our business Leader Insight series from NetSuite by
Oracle and you, as a CFO can get their free
guide to machine learning and AI and how you can

(27:53):
use it in your own company at NetSuite dot com
forward slash Barry my last name. I mean, technically you
not put my last name in there, but you make
me look good if you do, and I appreciate it.
NetSuite dot com forward slash Barry. So you were talking
about AI and the role of AI, and you don't
see that replacing a lot of jobs in the short run.

(28:14):
You see it more as something that employees will just
have to use as a tool. Is that what I'm
hearing you say?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Absolutely? And I can give you an example. Last month,
I was at the Saudi Aramco Gala for the fiftieth
anniversary of Aramco America's in Houston. It was a fantastic event.
I met a gentleman there who leads their data services
brilliant guy double Master's double POC from MIT. He leads
data sciences there. You're just fascinating fellow talking to him,
talking to some other folks at a data science event

(28:42):
actually last year, and they're using AI for some really
interesting purposes. One of them I can tell you that
I thought was interesting is they're using it looking at
machines to predict when they were going to break down.
You know, it's cash is king. You need your you
need to be producing, and so pumps, big machinery that

(29:04):
they leverage out in the oil field. Being able to
tell when those things need you know, the appropriate time
to service them, when the general times that they break
down under what conditions and what oil fields and you
know what environment. These AI models that they're developing can
more accurately do that and it creates more efficiency. So
you hear everyone say, you know, we don't have as
many rigs, but they operate more efficiently. This is part

(29:25):
of why they're operating more efficiently. You know, you hear
that and you don't know what it means. This is
what it means. They're bringing AI to bear and that
doesn't mean it's doing it on its own and a
robot is bringing it. Back to leadership, there are engineers
and managers out in the field that they're help using
AI modeling to optimize wells, and they're responsible for a
group or a field of wells. They're able to more

(29:45):
efficiently and effectively look at all of that data, make decisions,
look at suggestions, look at past experience, and those models
can look at all of this data significantly more effectively
than a person could and find patterns, find trends. This
is what AI is bringing to the industry. Just just
one example. They're using AI to uh, you know, for

(30:06):
safety mech you know, processors looking to see if people
are not wearing hard hats, you know. I mean, it's
as simple as that. There's a lot of really interesting
things that AI is actually doing. Everyone sees AI or
here's it, thinks terminator. No, no, no, you know, we're
far from there. I'm not saying we're not going to
get there, but you know, right now, they're really interesting

(30:27):
tools that we can use to our advantage. I use
chat GPT to brainstorm and as you ask for an assistant.
I'll need one because I have these AI tools now
to create frameworks for code whenever I need it.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Give an example, Give me a project you were working
on where you did that. Because I'm not I'm not
a big tech person, but I understand how it can be.
Give me a real life example of when you used
it recently.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So just writing queries, I can tell it what the
data structures look like and give them, you know, the
information that shows them what data on dealing with. Tell
them what's there, and you know, the more experience you
have with it, and the more detailed and the better
the question if you will to the AI, the better
sponsor you're going to get. So a very detailed set

(31:12):
of information with guidelines or rules. I gave it that,
and it was able to write a query that might
have taken me forty five minutes of you know, ironing
and ironing out and tweaking. It was able to do
almost instantaneous. Now I've not got one piece of code
or anything back from any of the big apps, and
I use the big three AI tools from Google, Tragedy
two and profit. I'm not getting anything that's not wrong

(31:35):
on the first go. You have to look at it.
You have to supervise the work, and I have to
change something on every piece. But it's giving me the
head start. It's doing, you know, forty percent minimum of
the foundation of the core code, the framework, and I
ask it for framework more in anything, and then I'll
fill in the you know, the pieces that that I

(31:55):
know it's not going to do because it doesn't have experience,
it doesn't know that data like I do. But that's
just one example, you know, just brainstorming anything, any types
of ideas. You know, I was talking about AI on
the rigsone. You know, we're looking at putting larding pages
together around that to show people. You know, like I said, salary, Well,
people can't go and think on their own what's asked, Well,

(32:15):
we'll prevent will present them a bunch of salary information.
Bulthure recruiters that are using our fight are using our
recruitment services and for our candidates, just to get an
idea of kind of what are ranges looking like for
this type of role. What does entry level, what does experience,
mid level or senior? You know, we'll generate all of
that and create it for them. So I was looking
at categories you know, I had my idea of what

(32:36):
they could be. Hey, what are some other ones? I
may be overlooking right again? As a brainstorming tool, it's
it's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, I don't want to sound like a shameless shield
for the folks who love our business series at Oracle,
but as you know, that's what NetSuite does is a
CFO needs information and making sense of data. And so
I'm not a person who uses that, but I am
a person who has people who use that. When I
asked my CPA at Deroch Partners, hey can you tell

(33:04):
me what I should be paying this employee for this level?
They can pull data in a much faster that is,
actual data from real data sets and make some sense
of it in so many different ways for me to
make better decisions. And so I think that's what people.
You know, I was originally afraid of AI because you know,
there's all the robot movies, but it's going to happen

(33:25):
one way or another, and it's a question of using
it as a tool. I mean, I don't know how
old you are. I'm fifty four. When I was a kid,
we were so afraid of technology because technology was going
to be awful. But in most cases technology has made
my life easier.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
We bitch about cell phones, but I can call my
wife while I'm driving home and say, honey, I'll be
home in twenty minutes, and she says, oh great, I
can put the cornbread in, whereas I don't have to
wait to get there. And I mean it's little things,
but it matters, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Of course. It's what Bill Gates said right when you're
talking about the Internet in his early landmark book. You know,
it's like it's going to wash over the world like
a wave, and it has all technology. Does that let
put the iPhone like what social media has done? You know,
not always sometimes it is to the detriment, but in
general it makes data accessible, and data is the big differentiator.
You talked about netswite. I can tell you just talking

(34:12):
to the folks that are RANKO and others that are
leveraging AI for you know, field operations for optimization out
in the field, and wells and drilling and you know
geophysical where are we going to drill? All of these
types of things. One thing that's really important that data
scientists are doing is they're not spending as much time
on the modeling. They're spending more time on the data
that's going into a terabytes, massive exo bites, massive amounts

(34:35):
of data that's going in cleaning that data to where
it's actually usable. That's where they're spending a good portion
of their time and expertise is taking all this data
that these tools out in the field spin out and
putting it in a format to where it's actually usable.
You know, in the in tech they have a saying
garbage in garbage out right, You've got to give it

(34:55):
the right things. It's the same as a question to
an AI, you know tool a large language mode. Well,
you've got to ask it the right questions and frame
it properly, and then you're going to get some pretty
interesting things out of it, and it'll really be.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
America is a nation that can be defined in a
single word, gonnot him number nine.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Not only was it authentic frontier jibbery, it expressed their
courage scene in this data.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
The Michael Berry Show, Chad.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Norville is our guest. He is the CEO of rigzone
dot com, which is a marketplace of information, news, insight
analysis on energy jobs so drilling, refining, downhole, downstream, upstream,
midstream investment and the largest job placement for people in
the energy industry, which is so your website is rigzone

(35:59):
dot com says seven hundred twenty thousand industry professionals. Can't
be wrong. Is that how many people accume your site
or what does that number represent?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, it's actually small when you consider it from that term.
Seven hundred thousand plus is how many just receive our
daily newsletter every day and we have well over one
hundred and twenty thousand that open it every day. And
it's not the same that are opening it every day.
We have six to seven hundred thousand different industry professionals
that get impressions from rigzone every day. Outside of that,
so across emails, the website, all of our social channels

(36:31):
and digital marketing mechanisms, it's broad. It's vast that you know,
we have. We touch a lot of parts of the industry,
you know, across all of our jobs, news events. Yeah,
it's vast to say the least.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's uh, it's just incredible how little information bleeds out
that's truthful and useful to the general public. When this
is you know, energy, people forget energy people think of
it as just jobs. Or just oil or gasoline at you.
Energy is at the core of everything we do, not
just heating and cooling, every product that we use. I mean,

(37:05):
it's just incredible. By the way, I don't know what
the stock market's done today. I haven't checked, but energy
is at the heart of your stock portfolio, which when
you retire, your four oh one K is going The
bedrock of most four oh one K plans today is
those safe blue chip energy stocks. And you know the
greeny winnies want to attack them. You better hope those

(37:28):
companies that are called evil and their profits continue to
be profitable because that's what's holding up your stock price
for school teachers and plumbers and everybody else. And that
is easy to forget. Chad, I wanted you to finish
that sentence if you remember what you were saying before
I filibustered you, and then I want to ask for
your advice for people in the industry. Do you remember
what you were saying or did I did I throw

(37:49):
you off?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I can't remember?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, Well, then let me ask you this. You were
talking about who's hiring. Let's start with entry level. Let's
say I get a lot of emails from people who've
just gotten out the military, and they say, what should
I do? Where should I go? Who's hiring? They want
a career, not just a job, right, So they don't
want to go do fast food. They want to start
in a career. And I tell people find a job

(38:12):
in energy because the upsides are crazy. What do you
say to that guy he just got out of the Marines.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, So, first and foremost, the very explicit ouilling gas
roles and training and education is going to be there
for a long time as long as someone at that
point would be able to fulfill a career with it.
So whether that's patrol and engineering or mechanical engineering focus
on the ouling gas geology, chemical engineering, and electical engineering

(38:40):
focusing on oil and gas, those things are going to
be there for the foreseeable future. I mean for the
next to twenty fifty. I would guess at least, you know,
like I said, emerging markets are coming online, We're not
going to see a significant change in at least the
demand side of oiling gas for a good while. So
I think they could still fulfill a strong career. And
here's the thing. I mean, some people might be reticent

(39:01):
to go get a patrol engineer degree, So there's gonna
be less competition. There's a lot of people with a
lot of experience. They're going to be retiring, right the
boomers and all of them have already started to. But uh,
there's going to be openings and opportunities there for those folks.
You know, there's there's a lot of opportunities still in
those fields. So I would I would tell them you
probably have more opportunity because there can be more demand

(39:23):
for you because there'll be fewer of you. Aside from that,
if you are concerned and you're wanting something more transferable.
We talked earlier about the tech roles. Uh, you know,
electrical and instrumentation are massive and you don't have to
get a full bachelor's degree to do that. You could
get an associate or certification. So for electrical, Uh, there's

(39:44):
electrical engineering technology. Power distribution technicians are in massive demand
huge old services companies I know right now, are you know,
jumping at the bits to get power distribution folks, power
plant technology, energy systems, Uh, industrial maintenance technology can be
a maintenance tech. They're massive demand and they're transferable skills. Uh,

(40:04):
those are associates degree certifications. There's a SEE certify, there's
a power systems tech uh, electrical power distributions certifications. I
know those are out there, Uh, industrial electricians. You could
do any of those things, right. That could be as
little as three or six months on those certifications, and
you could get a job. There are those roles out

(40:25):
there for those folks, and they'd love to train you up.
And not. Like I said, it's transferable. You could do
a lot of different things. A lot of industries, you know,
require those skills on the instrumentation and you know you
talked earlier about valves automatically changing whatnot. That's PLC programming right,
it's uh, the programmable programmable logic controllers. Right. These automation

(40:46):
and control technologies same thing. You can get a social's
degree and instrumentation or controls automation. Uh. They have robotics
technology which is cool that goes into a ROV. We
have huge companies we work with that just focus on that.
Oceaneering is huge in that space. There's a few other
companies we work with to do that as well. Obviously,
electrical engineering you don't have to have a double E.

(41:06):
It's a fantastic degree. I would encourage you to get
it if you have the time and the means. But
you can get an electrical engineering technology associates and thus
your maintenance placing here too, and instrumentation and automation roles,
so those are associates degrees, spend two years, you know
your grant from the military, and go do that. You
need to work and you want to do something shorter
terms the certifications and automation and instrumentation too, there's control

(41:30):
systems tech certifications, there's automation professionals. You can get a
POC programming certification. Those exist for someone coming in. Those
are really highly transferable skills and things that aren't massively
time consuming. To go get a certification or associate's degree
on the government that you've earned and you know we
appreciate you and please take advantage of it. I would

(41:50):
say that for that person from the military looking into it,
those are you know, good skills that are going to
be there no matter what happens. It's set your mind
at ease. If you were concerned about the industry, which
I'm not. You mentioned certifications earlier. If you have worked
in the old patch at all, or you have some
kind of experience around certain things. API American Patrol Institute,
which is a massive partner of ours. They have really

(42:13):
great certification programs, so h PIPE. They do a lot
of inspection, different certifications, so piping, pressure vessels, tank inspectors,
you know, HS related things and inspections always going to
you know, be really highly needed and sought after. So
those are really good certifications to get Q one and

(42:33):
Q two. This is more of a senior professional type
of role, but those are great certifications at API as well,
you know, designing implementing quality management systems. It's kind of
in line with the ISO.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
And so do you go to API to get that certification.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yes, yeah, you reach out to them and they have
folks on staff. You'd be more than happy to talk
to you about what your experience has been and you
know what might fit starting from scratch. I don't know
that those would necessarily be useful, probably be more. Those
are folks probably that have been around it or have
a little more experience. But again you could talk to them.
I don't know from the ground up, but you know
that all have available, Like I said, the other associates

(43:10):
and certifications or things. I know a bit more about
where I think they could get right in without any
experience in any of those technologies.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Chad Norville is the CEO of rigzone dot com and
they have job postings there in the energy industry. I
get a lot of emails from you folks out there
looking for a job, have just come out of the military,
and this is where I'll send you more with Chadnorville,
rig zone dot Com coming up.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Lovely Rita met a maid not even come between Way
get stock. I told your heart to way standing.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
By a parking meter. When I call it a glimpse of.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Rita filling in the ticket in a little white.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Book in a cat did you look my joona.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
And the bag across the shoulder may look a little
like a military man.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Lovely Rita as.

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Actually they call it ramon do you know what oracle?
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(45:05):
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(45:31):
making sense of all the data you have. Let me
ask you an operational question. Do you say Norville or
do you say Norville?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Everyone says Norville. My grandfather told me it was Norville.
I'll respond to either.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Where are you from?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I'm from Houston.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Where'd you go? Where'd you grow up?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Deer Park?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Where'd you go to high school?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Good Park High School?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Did you know Andy Pettitt?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
No, I've been around him. He was a little before me.
I'm mid forties, so he was a little older. But yeah,
so I'm a church you know, my cousins, my in
law's go to his church, and so you know, I'd
see him all around a lot. But you know, we
weren't friend friends or anything of that nature.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Did you ever find yourself stopping and marveling at how
high he kicked his right leg when he would throw
those big looping curveballs.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Oh yeah, amazing?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Right, So you know who else did that remove you
might know. Are you a baseball fan, Chad?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Oh, of course, huge fan.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So there was a picture for the Oakland A's named
Barry he had he was a lefty. He also what
Zito berry Zedo he also had that. You never see
right handed pitchers do this. They have that pitch that
feels like, I mean, it looks to me when you
see the ball coming in, it looks like the ball

(47:02):
came from behind their head, like in the in the
ball of your neck. And it's just just big, looping,
off speed pitch that gives batters fits. And Pettit had it,
and Barry Zito had it. And by the way, for
anybody out there listening, I have a number of mutual
friends with Andy Pettitt who have politely explained to him

(47:26):
that I would like to be his best friend. And
it hasn't worked out yet, and so I don't know
how to do that without it being weird. Just hold on, Chad,
this is very important. But since you're from Deer Park,
I need to get somebody out there is going to
be close friends with Andy and he's going to say, oh,
I'll put y'all together, and then it's just going to

(47:46):
happen and he can work on my pitching mechanics. Did
you play baseball?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I did.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Did you played soccer in high school if you went
on to play college?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well, yeah, of course, but like everyone, you play all
the sports and you kind of end up sticking with
what you're best at. So I was pretty fast and
pretty good at soccer, so uh, the rest went away.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
You know, what was your in high school? What did
you graduate at?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I was just sort of six foot and probably won
seventy five.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Ramon says, if you say just under six foot, you
were actually five ten. Rell you don't know him enough
to say that.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I'll go at least five eleven.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Okay, guaranteed. What was your forty time? Would you guess?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Uh? I think at my peak i'd probably touch four
or five in the four fives for six four seven
was easy?

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Hold on? You think you ran a forty in high
school at four or five?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Well, that was probably right after high school when I
went to college.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
That's humming for a white boy. That's fast.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I mean, okay, I think i'd probably league hit a
high four or five at some point. I never did,
but I'm assuming I probably could have. At some point
at my peak fitness level, I'm projecting. I'll admit, UH,
don't have proof from that. I know.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
If you know, look, if you were fast, you know
you were fast. I mean, I don't think a guy's
going to say there were four or five. If you
know they played O line, you know for Nebraska, that
means you were fast. I'm not doubting it. I'm saying
I'm I'm putting a marker on this moment so that
I think about it later that that I'm putting a

(49:36):
ribbon on it. That's a big deal. Okay. So then
you go off to Iowa to en Sioux City at
the little school you wouldn't hardly give me the name of.
And then where did you go from there?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah? So it had some Japanese affiliation in the nineties
they had a great depression basically, so started pulling out
money and had accreditation issues. You know, I was making
pretty good, good grades. I didn't want to stick around
for that, So for a bat u of h got
into programming. Like I said, I was doing a joint
program on chemical plant operations. So I from one credit

(50:09):
shy of having an associate screen and that I was
going to program SCATA and do that for the plants
was kind of the thinking at the time. But then
I started really liking the computer programming, and uh so
I kind of let that go and ended up finishing
my bachelor science degree and information systems and then I
got an MBA.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Where did you get your.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Hula?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
And then were you working at the time?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I was. I was going to score at night for
AT and T, which was an amazing experience because the
space program was the Shuttle program was still going in
full force. So my mentors were double PhDs, you know,
directors of the International Space Station before it was called
Space Station Freedom. Uh that was one of my mentors.
So it was really interesting. I got to do that

(50:54):
and talk to those folks, and then I got to
you know, at AT and T, I developed some and
programs that kind of got some attention and ended up
meeting some of the C suite folks who kind of
took me under their wing. And Karen Jennings, who was
Times twenty five most C influential women, helped me out
a bit and you know, just took advantage of different

(51:16):
opportunities when there was That's the whole thing, right, It's
about you know it's about playing ball whenever, of course
the time.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Of course, what did your dad do.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Construction?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
So your interest in computer programming? And I asked this
because I had no interest in computers or certainly not
making it figuring out how one worked. What do you
think sparked the interesting computer program because I my nephew
does it, and I think it's a great field. By
the way, Oh, by the way, Chad, I don't know

(51:49):
if you're hiring or not, but my nephew needs a job.
He just graduated from Lamar with like a three to eight.
It's my brother, my late brother's son, and he's starting
to work on his NBA. And if you were to
hire him as part of this interview, that'd be great.
When it ramoned, Ramone said that'd be great. I'm just
kidding you, but I am looking for him at John Yeah,

(52:10):
no pressure at all. You don't have to make the
decision right now. I'll send you the his resume during
the break. But here's what's weird. And I tell him
his name is Braiden. Braiden, what made you want to
be a computer programmer? Our family is cops and oil
fill workers and one guy who talks on the radio.
You literally have nobody in our family who can do

(52:30):
anything more than turn a computer on, and that's a
big deal. Like why it's just so odd to me
that people have that interest. I guess just because it
doesn't come naturally to me. Maybe that's the reason we're
talking to Chad Norville or Norville of rigzone dot com
and we will continue our conversation with him coming up.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Joey Kung, m Michael Bay Good Show on Polk Lump.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Rigzone dot com is the site of where the energy
industry goes to find jobs, to post jobs, to get
inside information, to talk about what oil prices are, what
futures are doing, who's buying, who's selling, what the trends are.
Rigzone dot com. They are not a sponsor, Ramon in

(53:35):
answer your question, but they one day will be because
it's a perfect partnership. But that's not why he's our guest.
He's our guest because I've been wanting to talk energy
for a while. So for folks that are simply saying, hey,
I don't have any special skills, I go back to
my marine that just got out, Because this comes up
a lot. Is there a company I get I might
get you in trouble if you pick one. But is
there a company that you are a mean? Can they

(53:57):
go to rigzone and put their information on there and
they're gonna because nobody wants to do monster or any
of that anymore. Somebody wants to get hired right now.
They're willing to work hard, and they're willing to travel
as far as Midland, not further. Well, they'll go Midland
to the west and Homa to the east. Are they
going to Is there a job waiting for them right now?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah? Potentially, I think. You know. Unfortunately, everything is technology
based now, so it's kind of you know, ry paid entry. Right.
You have to have a CV or resume of some
sorts and you need to upload it for our website.
You uploaded to rigzone, activate your account your CV. Uh,
do some searching, do some applying. You know, we have
AI mechanisms in there that will do what it can

(54:34):
to help you. It will look at what your qualifications are,
It will look at what job titles you had previously,
or what your experiences are. It will keep an eye
out on those. As long as you have for instance,
emails activated, it will look at those things and as
jobs become available that you qualify for, it will send
you those and it's tiered, so it's going to give
you the most optimal job for your experiences and what
you're looking for right then. And then it will tear

(54:56):
down and say, okay, let's step out a little more
broadly and see if there's anything in this maybe that
you know might work for you. And then it'll go
even more general. So not everything is going to be
on the nose, but it's looking all the time. So
dismiss the ones that aren't that you don't think work.
Keep an eye out because when the ones do. When
the market does start picking up, and like I said earlier,
we are a lot of folks are expecting that to

(55:17):
start happening. As you know, all of these unleashed American
energy policies start really taking hold. And one of those,
you know I talked about some of the policy for
the regulations and the red tape being removed. He gives
them thirty days to do this, so some of us
might start happening pretty quick, and the industry is, you know,
anxious for it. They'll start happening and popping on the website.

(55:38):
We start sending emails to those folks, as I told you,
send thirty million emails a month. That's not spam. Those
are people that wanted to be on our website. If
someone's getting emails because they asked to on our website.
If someone one has a job on our website one
of our recruiters, it's because that does an active job
that they want on our website. We don't discourage them
lead stuff there. Like all of these other generalists and
other competitors, those are people we work with. If you

(55:59):
see people on our website, we talked to those companies.
Most of them we talked to for a long time
and pretty consistently, so you know, we're doing our best
for the candidates to really try to help them find
those roles. On the website. We have job fares. Go
to our events and look at what job fares are
coming up and you can go and talk to those
folks on site. Almost every event will have someone that
they're looking to train up and give, you know, entry

(56:20):
level without experience, and it's broad right. There's a lot
of different types of roles that they'll take in and
they'll train you up. Some of them are a little harder.
You have to have certifications for some kind of training
in order to do it. Like electricity, there's liability issues.
They can't just take anywhere. But there are a lot
of other types of roles, you know, floral and decads.

(56:41):
A lot of people make a lot of money in
this industry that started kind of at the bottom and
worked their way up. And you can do it quickly,
you know, in some instances. So they're still offshore. There's
floating production. There's engineering and procurement and construction, right, they
call them PPC companies, minstream pipelines. There's way massive you know,
mechanics fuly high demand, like very high demand. Actually, engineering

(57:07):
and designs tight. There's just so many also equipment cranes, operators,
you know, heavy machinery operators. Last year, I saw that
job at our job fairs as much as any job probably.
Uh you just you know, operate a hydrid machinery. You
have experience doing that in the military, imagine at.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
The Yeah, and hey, those are the real toys, right.
If you can drive a tank and veer away from
IEDs under fire, air and ground assault, then yeah, I
think you can operate this piece of equipment for UH
one of the rig zone DOT com sponsors one of
the companies out in the offield. I didn't think about that,

(57:45):
but I mean talk about an experience. But a lot
of guys in your industry tell me that they consciously
look for veterans because these are guys that work on
a team, that make sacrifice, that are disciplined, that are tough,
and it's something that is an ideal set of talents,
particularly for that field.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, so look for our industry, and every industry says this,
but you know they say communication. It's almost a cliche, right,
communications and you know the intangibles, those are off the
chart for these folks, right, They're like the best of
the best when it comes to those skills, those off
the paper skills, if you will. So they absolutely, you know,

(58:26):
want those those types of candidates. When we did one
in San Antonio last year, I plive was last year.
We do them every year, they're pretty much, but we
did one out there and they focus on Eagle Forward.
But we had the there's a lot of military influence
at San Antonio, right, they have bases out there, and
the NSA has people out there that work with UTSA.

(58:48):
My son's actually studying cybersecurity at UTSA is about to
be a senior So that's why because they're one of
the few institutions in the United States that has a
relationship with the NESSA. But they have a lot of
military person there. So for the job fair, we reached
out to all those organizations and said, look, these companies
would love to talk to you. Please come out and
have a conversation with them and see if there's something

(59:08):
there for you. Uh. You know, I would encourage our
military and ex military to always come to our job
fairs and talk to those folks because they are wanted,
they're highly regarded, and they're you know, strong employees that
I think most of our companies would absolutely you know,
love to have. And like I said, there are there's
a lot of things that you can do in the military.
It's not just like an infantry in the front. There's

(59:30):
you know, people do communications, that do technology, they do
heavy machinery, and those were all heavily required skills and
roles in our industry. You know, like I said, I
I can say without a doubt, I ine tech and
heavy machinery operator and operators and other types of machinery.
Those are for the last twelve months I've seen those
out the job fairs, probably more than any of the

(59:51):
other roles.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
That's interesting, and you foresee that continuing for some time.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, would it would even more so, right the the
quantity of them, you would have other roles that would
be equally needed as things start kicking off again, whenever
Trump's policies really start ticking hold, I would see more
of the other types of roles in addition to those,
But those wouldn't be falling back, right, the others would
just be gaining in quantity. So, yeah, that's not going

(01:00:18):
to change. It's still those needs are going to be
there out in the wherever, maybe on our old filled
or maybe on a it could be. There's a lot
of different variants, like I said, pranes and you know,
all kinds of different machinery.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
It is. It's so interesting because the energy industry being
such a critical part of our economy. You know, you
think of healthcare, you think of energy, of agriculture. I mean,
these are the big ones, and it affects every aspect
of our lives, from the gas we put in our
car to every product on your desk, every plastic, every implant,

(01:00:54):
every you know, fluid, It all comes from the energy industry,
and then it underpins your four oh one K, your retirement,
your investments. But it's also of critical importance, and particularly
to me, because if you don't have a job, then
politics matters a lot less to you than putting food
on the table. And that's why I wanted to talk

(01:01:14):
to rigzone dot com. Chadnorville, you are a great guest.
I appreciate you devoting so much time to us. Let's
talk again, and next time you're having a job fair
here in Houston, if you'll shoot me an email, I
will gladly promote it on the air because that helps
our people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah. So we do Houston at least at least three
times a year, sometimes four. So we have one there
March fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
All right, as we get closer, I will Is it
free to somebody to the to the interviewee, to the prospect, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Our candidates and professionals, it's absolutely free. We recommend you
sign up, you know, create an account on rig zone,
upload your CV, you know, set that up, and then
you know, sign up, register for the event because you
know we'll get you right in whatever you say, because
they're busy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
It's Houston especially, Yes, I love to hear that, Chad,
I'm up against a break. Thank you for being our guest.
Thank you for doing on short notice. Chadmoorville rig zone
dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah,