PM Show Hr 1 | Detransitioning Your Kids with Pamela Garfield Jaeger

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verishow is on the air.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I have received over the years a number of emails
from parents who are struggling with a child, and some
of them we've talked to on the air. Who is
in a term that I didn't know. I'm fifty three
years old. When I was in school, this term didn't exist.
That is, they are struggling with the child who is
in transition or considering transition, or they've just learned that

(00:44):
the counselor at school is telling little Tommy that he
can be a girl, or a little Susie that she
can be a boy, and they don't know what to do.
And you know, it's one of those things that if
you don't have a kid going through this, you you
might make an off handed joke and you know it's
funny or it's you know, you don't you don't invest

(01:05):
a lot of emotion, But when your child is going
through anything, you don't want to separate from your child.
You don't want to disconnect from your child. You don't
want to be a strange from your child. You want
to be the best parent you can, and sometimes that's tough.
Love rub some dirt in it. And sometimes that's understanding,
sometimes that's listening. And I'm not a real touchy feely guy,
but I'm probably a little more touchy feeling now that

(01:27):
I'm older, and I understand, Hey, you can't be the
dad and mom that says we'll have nothing to do
with you anymore, or you leave your kid to a
system and an industry that, in my opinion, is very dangerous.
So with all that in mind, I had a listener
send me a book entitled A Practical Guide to Gender Distress.

(01:50):
And look, I know what some of you are thinking.
I don't want to talk about boys trying to be
girls and girls trying.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I don't either, but the.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Reality is it's happening, and I have my reasons as
to why I think it's happening. I think some people
are being encouraged. I think there's some peer pressure. I
think there's a lot to that. But I wanted to
have the author of this book on to talk about
this because this particular parent had read this book and
found it useful in dealing with her child. And she's

(02:17):
not authorized me to say her name or any other details,
and so I won't. You can find this individual at
the Truthfultherapist dot com. Her name is Pamela Garfield Jaeger.
The book is a practical guide to gender distress. Pamela,
why don't we start with how you came to this
issue first?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I just want to correct it dot org.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Hello, I'm sorry it does say dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I have to protect my own I have to protect
myself here and it's showing as truthful f U L L?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Should it only be one L?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah? I'm not sure where you're seeing that, dot org.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know what, you may have a pr I'm not
sure how Jim Mudd found you, of my creative director,
but he cut and pasted this and it had dot
com and it had.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Truthful with two els.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
But anyway, so, yes, the Truthfultherapist dot org.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
How did you come to this issue?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Hi? I'm an interesting unicorn because I'm a licensed clinical
social worker with over twenty years of mental health experience.
I work with teens and families in school, in clinics,
and hospitals all of this time, and I am one

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of the very few with all of this experience that
has been outspoken on this topic. And the reason I've
become outspoken about this is I actually had to take
a hiatus due to a health issue back in twenty seventeen,
and I came back to my job in twenty twenty one,
and things had radically shifted at that point. That's when

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this trend really grew while I was on disability. So
when I came back, it was extremely shocking to me.
And I describe myself sort of like a rip band therapist,
like Rip Van Wrinkle, because I was sort of asleep,
not aware of what was happening in my profession. Things
radically changed. I came back and I couldn't believe my eyes.

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And I saw many kids at the program I newly
was working at identifying as trands that would never have
done that before.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
And so walk me through how that brings you to today,
because it's a bit of an atypical, atypical practice.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Very atypical. I've had quite the journey, honestly. So I
had this disability, I still can't work a full time job,
so I have a lot less to lose. I think
that has a lot to do with it. There are
other people out there that agree with me, but because
cancel culture is so intense, they're afraid to speak up
and they're self censoring. However, I since I can't work

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full time, I have less to lose, so I've decided
to be more outspoken. Also, that job I was just
this talking of it was a healthcare worker job. I
was in California and there was a COVID vaccine mandate
for healthcare workers. I chose not to get the COVID vaccine,
and that's when I decided that I was called to

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speaking to these problems within my profession.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
And how did I have to interrupt?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Because I don't like labels, but I am an anti vaxxer.
I think my brother died from taking the vaccine. He
was only fifty four years old. He as a police officer.
There is now a case against astrasenica from police officers
that is being handicapped as a pretty good case because
apparently officers were being given the astrosenica shot. I don't

(05:42):
know why, but I don't like mandates under any circumstances.
Tell me a little bit, so I understand your mindset
of why you were opposed to that and how that
played out.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, at the time, I wasn't really against any of it.
My personal reasons were I had severe chronic pain for
several years, and at that point I had finally recovered
enough to be functional to work part time at a job.
Before that, I could barely tie my shoes. I had
this nerve pain condition that was extremely severe, and the

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doctors didn't believe me. I went through an odyssey. I
finally overcame all of that, and that's when this vaccine
mandate came through. I also had just recovered from COVID
and took that you know, horse pace, that horse medicine,
and I recovered just fine, and I didn't need it.
I knew that natural immunity was robust and I didn't

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need it. So I did not want to take it.
And I did not trust the healthcare system after everything
I had been through.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And so you were fired, Yes, I'd say I.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Was let go. I just didn't get more shifts. I
was no longer able to work for them, and I
was not able to get an exemption. There were the
state of California would not allow doctors to do a
medical exemption. Had already check the box for medical exemption,
not religious exemption, and my reasons were not religious. My

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reasons were medical.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Interesting. That's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, I'm going to ask you to hold right there,
because I want to get into this.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Line in your biography.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
And folks, let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
We're going to begin this conversation in the next segment,
but I want to be very clear with you as
parents and that you train your children of this. Do
not let someone stick something in your kid's but mouth, ear,
or arm that you don't know what it is. Do
not hesitate to say not on this visit. We're going

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to do some research and come back because you have agency,
you have control over your own body. Do not simply
trust well, they're the experts. It doesn't work that way.
All right, We're gonna talk to Pamela Garfield Yeaker Jaeger
The Truthfultherapist dot org. A practical guide to gender distress

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for your kids, and your grandkids and your sister's kids.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Whenever man Michael Barry in the system, lack of tube
Modern day Robin.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. Our website is The
Truthfultherapist dot Org. It says Pamela's mission is to educate
parents on how to avoid therapists who lack skills or
try to indoctrinate their children. She's the author of the
book A Practical Guide to Gender Distress. She is a
licensed therapist as well. So, Pamela, let's start talking about

(08:52):
what parents need to know if they sense well, actually,
let me take a step back. What are some signs
for parents that maybe your kid is starting to try
out for ma Vian rows. You know, your kid's not
sure what they are. What are some early signs.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, so one of the earliest signs is Internet youth.
If your child is spending a lot of time online
and becoming more withdrawn from you and your family and
things that your family values. Those are some indicators that
your child might be withdrawing from what your family values
and might be reaching towards a group of people that

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perhaps are teaching them values that go against what you believe.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
But do you notice in children any sorts of behavioral
changes when you sense that they're going through.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
And what causes this?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I mean, my theory is kids that don't belong and
sometimes they're looking for a way to belong, and this
is sort of almost like a gang. You know, other
kids are often encouraging them to do this.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
That is your serious, correct, That is one of the
main reasons. Basically what these gender ideologs are doing. They
are taking vulnerable kids and they are recruiting them, and
I see them as exploiting the vulnerable. So it's different
for each child in each family. There's so many different circumstances.
In my book, I go through many different scenarios of

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how and when a child could be recruited. To decide
or believe it, their trends. Some behaviors you ask that
you can just look at. Do they suddenly change their
dress to be more androgynous or different or you know,
pink hair, you know, if they start changing their looks.
A lot of times parents look at that and say, well,
I'm just going to let them express themselves. And honestly,

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it's a tricky thing how to enforce changing or their dress.
But it's good to be aware of it and not
to ignore it, and to really be present with your
child and recognize there's probably something.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Going on, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Pamela Garfield Jeger is our guest a practical guide to
gender and distress.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I would say That's also good advice for kids who.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Are beginning to experiment with alcohol, kids who are beginning
to experiment with sexual activity, kids who are beginning to experiment.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
With self harm.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I mean, you identify problems and can help a child
cope better when you are as you said present. I
don't often use therapists speak, but there is something to
be said for.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, if you're.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Spending your time with your kid, if you're running to
the grocery store, put your kid in the grocery store
with you. Don't assume once that kid can drive and
has a phone, that living under your roof is enough.
You've got to interact. You've got to get inside their head.
You've got to know what's going on. Are there things
that you begin to prepare parents how to address these issues,

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How to begin that conversation with a child, What sorts
of things are off limits, and what sorts of things
are musts in dealing with this early on.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, I actually have a whole chapter about pronouns, because
one of the first ways they indoctrinate the children is
to have them share pronouns or even just observe their
friends use these pronouns. So I have a chapter about
how sons are harmful. I think even conservatives often don't
recognize that using the pronouns is not innocent, and to

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teach them to speak out against it, just to say no, no,
thank you, this is causing fighting. I don't want to lie.
So even little kids can. You can have that conversation
with a little kid and help ground them in truth,
help them understand that they are a boy and they
are a girl. I mean, that's the best way is
to start young. And just if you're religious, of course,

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tell them this is how God made you, and help
them feel proud of the body that they were born in.
Because they're being taught in school and in the movies
and the government and everywhere that they are born wrong,
that their bodies are like a vessel, that they can
do whatever they want, almost like a form of transhumanism.
Little kids are being taught this. So parents need to

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get ahead of that and teach their children that they
are their bodies and the way they were born is
just right, and that you love them the way they are.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I think there was this idea you talked about transhumanism.
I think there is an idea in a lot of
secular humanistic liberal and they each bring their own approach
to this, and it is the idea that everything is okay,
we'll just hug it out and everything. It's a sort
of relativism of you know, your truth is your truth,

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and your feelings or your feelings.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
And whatever they are, no matter what if you're feeling.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
But people don't realize if your kids said I'm going
to rob a bank, you wouldn't go.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, if that's how you feel, here's a pistol.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I think kids have to be molded and guided and
interacted with and coached and parented and loved and engaged
and disciplined and challenged. And that sounds like what you're
telling parents to do. When parents call you as a therapist,
where are they usually in that process?

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, oftentimes I actually talk to parents with adult children,
usually who are in their early twenties. So that's difficult
because oftentimes the young adult is no longer living with
the family, But I still give a lot of the
similar advice, and the advice I give is figuring out
how to connect with that with that person and I'm
no longer a child, how to connect with that young

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person and to remain in contact with them because what
they're basically being, what's basically happening to them is they've
been recruited into occult like mentality, and the transactivists have
taught them that their families are the enemy. If they
have questions, or if they believe in truth, or if
they believe in reality, that they're the enemy. So your

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job as a parent is to let them know that,
no matter what, you love them, and maybe in fact
figure out what might be the underlying issues. Because as
as you excuse me, as you said earlier, this has
a lot of parallels to alcoholism or eating disorders or
other ways people manifest issues.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
This is sort of the.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
New way of cutting, the new way of self harm.
So there's always something underneath, and your goal, is someone
who loves them and cares about them, is to help
them address those issues.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Say parents are calling you parents of adult children? Are
these children by this time? Typically when I say child,
I mean the next generation. Some people don't like me
as word children about somebody that might be thirty. I
don't mean they're a little kid.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
I mean the parent.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, I am still the child of my parents. I'm
one of their children, and I'm fifty three. When you
say that they are. They trying to figure out how
to relate to adult children who've left the home, and
maybe that's that's where we are.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, sometimes they've left the home. Sometimes they're still in
the home, or they're about to leave the home, so
they're grasping to maintain that relationship. So they're calling me
to figure out what to do. And I got to
be honest at that phase, it's not easy, but there
is there is still hope.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I have a story with a friend of mine. Nobody
listening knows him, so don't worry that he might figure
out who it is. But what they're going and the
torment to his wife over a boy that's transitioning to
a girl is I mean, it's very stressful in their marriage,
it's very stressful on their home, and they are not

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equipped to deal with this and they've tried every approach
and this adult child in mid twenties is just cruel
and tormenting, particularly his mother, and it's awful to see.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Hold with us. Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Our website is the Truthfultherapist dot org. The book is
a practical guide to gender distress.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
They have almost went the Law School of Mars, the
Michael Barry Show.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
The Schooltherapist dot Org.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
The line that caught my attention.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lacks skills or try to indoctrinate their children.
We're talking about boys that want to be girls and
girls that want to be boys, and what parents should do.
But I will tell you everything she said so far are,

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in my opinion, the same thing you should do for
a kid who is beginning to develop bad behaviors, self
harming behaviors with regard to drugs and violence, and any
number of other social disorders, that all of them some
of the same things. Parent, your kid go into the weeds.

(17:25):
Don't be afraid. Engage, no matter how awkward it gets. Engage.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
One of the things I've seen pamelm with kids who
go through these phases and by the time they're thirty, thirty, five, forty,
they come out of it. It's like a plane that
looks like it's crashing. They get it back in the
air again. It is that the kids will say when
the parent says, well, you told us you don't want

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us to talk to you anymore, so we didn't, and
the kids will say, you weren't supposed to do that.
The kids expected the parents to love them so much
they defer them.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, yes, And transactive is weaponize that too. I want
parents to recognize that that sometimes that level of tough
love is being weaponized. They'll say, oh, that means that
you're abandoning your child and that you don't love your child,
when what you're doing is you're trying to show your
love by that tough love. But in this case it
really backfires because what will happen is your child will

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go into the hands of what you would call their
glitter family, which are really cult members and cult leaders
that will lead them down the path of permanent sterilization,
destroying their bodies, doing very dangerous behaviors, and engaging with
people that do not have the best interest for your child.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
And in your experience, do you think those people I
remember this it was probably fifteen years ago. There was an.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Article written based on an undercover investigation and they had
discovered that nam which is which is these these grown
men who are pediass and pedophiles and they want to
do a little boys and at the NAMBLA convention.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
They were helping.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Them figure out careers where they could be around little boys,
and they were encouraging them to be librarians because you
would have the little boy in the library at the school,
you would be a position of authority. Nobody comes around
the library, you would have them to yourself.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And I thought, this is really really sick.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
But that means that there were people who became male
librarians for this sole purpose. Do you think that these
that these counselors at the schools, do you think they
went in with malintention or they got caught up in
the woke web.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
I think moth have good intentions. I think most are misguided.
I think that this whole rainbow path has paved a
way for those predators to be there, like you just described,
But most counselors, they're what they're really doing, and here's
more therapy speak. They're acting out their own issues onto children.

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They're trying to put their rescue fantasies onto your child.
So there's probably a part of them that's been harmed
that wasn't accepted, perhaps bullied, or maybe they weren't accepted
by their own parents, so they project that onto your
child and believe that that same thing is happening to
your child, and they do what they think is right.

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But it's a completely different situation. It's not themselves, it's
not what they needed. It's your kid, who has the
loving family. So I think that's more of what's happening.
Plus it's coming from top down. We and myself included,
and I've gone against it, have been trained to do this,
to tear the child away from their parents, to believe

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the child over the parents, to immediately affirm a gender
identity and keep that a secret. That's in the training.
So people who trust experts and trust the people they're
elders within their profession and our naives will go along
with it, and their empathy is being weaponized.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I read this about you.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Pamela has experience working in schools in New York City,
San Francisco, and in Silicon Valley, California.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
She's been a clinical.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Supervisor for over ten years, overseeing therapists working in school
based programs and in mental health settings. She has worked
in residential and outpatient programs for adults and teens who
are severely mentally ill.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Where are most therapists getting it wrong?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Do they have bad intentions, or are they simply employing
techniques that they believe are right but you argue are not.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, the profession has really changed since I came up
the ranks. I'm not going to say it was perfect,
but there was some sort of gatekeeping where if you
were projecting your own issues, if you hadn't worked out
your own stuff, you have a supervisor or the agencies
that were doing the hiring would screen those people out,
whereas now that's being rewarded, and that's also what's being

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taught in the graduate schools. There's also a huge emphasis
on social justice culture and victim mentality, both for the
therapist and also to project that onto the clients. So
if you have a client that's a part of some
kind of minority group, and of course it's LGBTQWO plus
group is now the big one, they'll look at their

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client as a victim that needs to be protected, as
opposed to looking at the full picture, and that clouds
their perspective and they're being taught that. If you look
at all the social media of the graduate schools of
the Association's National Association of Social Workers, which I was
once a part of, years ago, I would no longer
touch them. They have terrible social justice messages on their

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social media that's very anti therapeutic. So that's where it's
coming from. But so that's why the little old me
is trying to speak to people to let them know
what is appropriate therapy.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You are a voice in the wilderness, Pamela. As I
told you, I had this listener who read your book
and sent it to me or so sorry, sent me
a screenshot of it and said, read this and explained why.
And I can't give any more details than that because

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it was a very personal story about her family. And
I said, I'll do you one better. I'll put her
on the air and reading your website The Truthful Therapist
dot ORed. I am grateful there is someone out there
like you doing what you're doing more with Pamela Garfield Dieger.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
The book is a Practical Guide to Gender Distress.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
The website is The Truthful Therapist or stay tuned, La, call.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Your Kids Well and time Love meets of Michael Berry.
That Fine Praise Jesus.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Truthful Therapist dot org is the website. The book is
a Practical Guide to Gender Distress. The author and licensed
therapist is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. She has been a clinical
supervisor for over a decade, overseeing therapists and school based

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programs and in mental health settings. She's worked in residential
and outpatient programs for adults and teens who are severely
mentally ill. And we're talking about kids who want to
transition or beginning that conversation, and particularly resources and tools
for parents, because you don't want to lose your kid,

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and part of this is a cult that steals your
kid from it. And I would have called that conspiracy,
crazy stuff before I saw it happen. I'll give you
an example, Pamela. And I'm sure you've seen this a
thousand times. So my buddy's wife, my buddy's wife, their daughter,
their son, very heavy set, socially awkward, didn't fit in

(25:14):
in college, couldn't find a career, kind of kind of
a wastrel, as we would to call it, gon not,
you know, not really sure what to do in life.
And then at some point starts kind of kind of
tinkering with this the way kids used to tinker with
with drugs or alcohol or crime or credit card fraud

(25:35):
or whatever else. And then he he decides he's a girl,
and he moves a few states away, and he's playing
his birth father against his birth mother. My buddy's married
to the birth mother, and he gets the birth father
to pay his rent one month and then mom, and
he withholds his connection to them if they don't pay

(25:55):
their bills. And then he creates these fights with with
his mother, which is causing my friend who's married to
her a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Of distress because it upsets her.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
The mother flies out to where he is on the
East coast and goes there to meet with him and
hug him and get this resolved, and bangs on the
door and he's inside, and she bangs on the door
for hours and he won't open the door and she
lays dow sits down back against the door like a
movie scene, bawling until finally she realizes, after hours and

(26:27):
hours of this, she has to go back to the
airport and get back on the plane and come home,
crying the whole time. This is her child, and just
the cruelty. And I'm hearing this story and seeing this
play out again and again. It's like these rioters at
the hamas writers. It says, if there is a playbook
for what to do. And this is very it angers me.

(26:52):
Your thoughts on this situation.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Well, it just sounds heartbreaking. You So like a scene
in the there's a scene in that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio,
the Basketball Diaries. It sounds just like that because the
mom had to set a limit because of his substance abuse.
There are very much parallels to this. Yeah, I mean
it's deep for me to just magically say what would

(27:19):
be the right advice for this family. I honestly couldn't
do that without getting to know them. But clearly this
boy young man is acting out things that he needs
to resolve. And the difference between this and all those
other issues that you mentioned is that the institutions, the
professionals are reinforcing it. He's getting his hormones, probably for

(27:41):
free from planned parenthood. If not, he's getting it from
an actual medical doctor from his insurance, if he has insurance.
So normally you would never have a doctor that say, well,
here is your cocaine, have at it. Well here, Now
we have institutions that are giving these hormones too, these
young adults, and so it's just heartbreaking. So that's why

(28:03):
we need to found conspiracy theory. And I think even
if I heard myself talking just five years ago, I
would say I was crazy right now. But that is
what's going on. So people need to be aware that
there is some kind of agenda out there to destroy families,
and unfortunately this family is a victim of that.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's heartbreaking, It is heartbreaking, and there's such good people.
And you know what bothers me most is if this
woman did not love her son, this would be easier.
It's as if the love you have for your child

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is being turned on you, and it's tragic. And my
worst fear is this child now adult, this man, child
who wants to be a woman, take his own life,
which as you know, is very common in to this story,
and then the mother has to live with that the

(29:03):
rest of her life, and the guilt and the regret
and all of that.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean, this is awful, yes.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
And that's being weaponized. The suicide lie has been weaponized.
As you probably know, and many of your listeners might
already know that. Therapists and teachers and slogans across everywhere
tell you that if you don't affirm the person who's
identifying as trans that they will kill themselves the it's
your fault if you don't go along with their lie. However,

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there's no proof of that. And the truth is people
who tend to fall into this transgender lie already have
mental health issues. Just like this young man you're describing.
He sounds like he has something of failure to launch.
Perhaps he's on the autistic spectrum. Sounds like there's some
family turmoil and so there's other reasons that are not

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being addressed. And he believes, in his mind, because he's
been lied to, that if he becomes a woman, that
will solve all of his problems. And we know that
that's not the case, and he's still going to have problems.
In fact, he's just going to compound them. And now
he doesn't have the connection with the people that truly
love him, which actually makes it worse.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
So what do you encourage them to do? Are people
similarly situated.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Well, I mean, the mom is doing everything she can.
I mean, once they've gotten into that phase where they're
truly not talking to you, there isn't a whole lot
she can do with her son other than give him
the message that she loves him in all different ways.
And it sounds like that's what she's doing. I recommend
for her to reach out to some parent groups of
their other parents that are going through similar things. They

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exchange ideas and they can get support from each other.
There's a substack called pit parents Parents with Inconvenient Truths
about tran and there's some as very heart wrenching s
days with parents of similar stories. I bet she would
connect with a lot of parents that have written in
those sub stacks. There is an organization called Our Duty.

(31:12):
I think it's our Duty dot com or maybe dot us.
I'm not sure if I have the URL correct, but
they are called Our Duty. I know there's a US
location and a Canadian location, so you can look those up.
All of these things that are actually listed in the
back of my book so finding resources. There's also an
agency called Genspect that has some parent groups. So there

(31:33):
are several agencies that are putting together parent groups support
for parents that are going through this. So if they
don't hold that guilt on their own and they recognize
it's not all their fault and then perhaps they can
work on whatever perhaps the things that are in the
family that could be strengthened so that the person that
is going through the trends can come back to a

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healthier system. But it's of course it's not simple.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, our time is you are a wonderful resource. Folks
can go to the Truthfultherapist.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Dot org and there is a contact me button, you
can email there, you can buy the book there, there
are resources there, there's a video to watch there about
gender transformation and all transition and all this sort of stuff.
Ninety nine percent of our audience will not need your services,

(32:29):
but for that one percent, we might just make a difference,
and that is the goal. Pamela Garfield Jaeger a voice
in the wilderness of sanity and care and reasonableness.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I am grateful for you and I appreciate you taking
the time to.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Do this, and you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Elst good thank you, and good night.