ASYLUM HILL REVITALIZATION

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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to Pulse of the Region. The
show where we highlight all of the absolutely incredible things
happening throughout our Greater Hertford region, and today is no different.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm your host, Kate Bauman. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
For tuning in to pulse of the region today. We
are thrilled to have you here as we sit down
in the studios in the Candy Cane Building in downtown Hartford,
our capital city, the insurance capital of the world. I
could keep going on and on, but we want to
get talking to our guests today as today we are
getting the pulse about the restoration and revitalization of the
Asylum Hell neighborhood here in Hertford. These efforts are being

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led by the organization North Side Institution's Neighborhood Alliance, also
known as NINA, and today we have three members of
the organization joining the conversation, which I am very excited
about because a lot of the work that they do
is visible and we get to drive paths to every
single day, so to now kind of see what's behind
the curtain is wonderful. So welcome to all of our guests.

(01:52):
And first we'll introduce Ken Johnson. He is the executive
director at NINA, So Ken, welcome to the show. Thank you,
of course, of course. And next is Linda Godkins. She
is the co founder of NINA, which started back in
two thousand and one and now she is the chair
of their board of directors.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So, Linda, welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Hello, thank you, pleasure to be here today.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, we're thrilled to have you here with us today.
And our third guest joining us is Andrew Daily. He is,
i'd say, by day, a managing assistant General counsel at
the Hartford and by night and probably many other times
as well. Is he is also the president of the
board of directors for Nina. So welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Good.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
No, we're thrilled to have you, because again, you know,
Nina is something you know and I'd be remiss if
I don't mention it. Off the top is Susan Winkler,
one of my colleagues with the Metro Hartford Alliance and
with the ctifs is. She is a former president of
the board and has certainly been a part of the
committee and the group for many years. And so thrilled
to have her set up the conversation today because I

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know I've had the pleasure of hearing from her about
a lot of the work with maybe we can kind
of dive even deeper on that. So first things first, Linda,
is would love if you don't mind kind of just
talking about the origins of Nina.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Absolutely, and thank you for asking me to talk about that,
because this organization and what we've been able to do
are so meaningful to me personally. Of all the things
I've done, I think I'm proudest of this it. I
had gone down to the mother ship, the Hartford and

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Hartford from our Sims Fury operation in the beginning of
two thousand and one, and like another new executive and
I've been there for ten years, but a new executive
to the Hertford who had just come from PepsiCo in
Westchester and I were looking out the twelfth floor of
the tower building and she said, why is it that

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the Hartford's World headquarters is in the middle of a plump?
And I said, that's a really good question. And so
immediately I wanted to know, well, what can we do
to improve the quality of life for the residents in
the area and also the walkability of the neighborhood for
the Hartford's employees. And I went internally to my boss

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and then to the chairman Rominey, are met with a
lot of excitement to do something, and so conducted some
focus groups with residents in Asylum Hill with local nonprofit
with state and local officials to get a sense of

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what had been going on in the neighborhood and what
we might do to improve things. And of course, you
know historically in Hartford it suffered from a general collapse
of the manufacturing business, so guns, autos, pipewriters. We still
had the major insurance companies as a hub of the

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infrastructure of Asylum Hill, as well as the major hospital,
Trinity Health. And so basically we came up with a
strategy to tackle one block at a time so that

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when we made an improvement, there would be an improvement
happening next door, and not a restored house next to
a crack house, for example, which would not be appealing
for people to live in. And the chairman Romney, I
are allocated five hundred thousand dollars for us to get started.

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So we put together an internal team which included Susan Winkler,
whom you mentioned, and then Romney made phone calls to
other CEOs in the neighborhood, one of whom Jack Row
at ETNA, had been witnessed to the transformation of a
neighborhood in his hometown in New Jersey, and he also
is very excited about the prospects. So we put together

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the membership of the major institutions in the neighborhood, and
then the team, the internal team, which I have to
say won the Chairman's Award internally took it about as
far as it could go, and we decided we needed
an executive director, and Ken Johnson had been a standout

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in those focus groups and in helping us devise the
strategic plan, and so the members decided we would hire
him to be the executive director, and he's been with
us since two thousand and three. They want to, he
doesn't want to, and we won't let him. He's he's

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a genius at putting together the funding not just from
the member institutions, but from the local city, state, other
funding sources of all of which are necessary because the
costs to renovate one of these beautiful Victorian home succeeds

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the cost of what you can get for market value.
And so that's basically how we got started. I should
just mention because I'm sure we'll focus mostly on the
home ownership, but we we also or other pillars are
economic development, public safety, and education in the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's great, No, that's thank you so much, Linda for
that very great overview. Certainly, you know, I think so
much goes into it, and you know, and Ken and Andy,
I'll ask each of you kind of this question, is
you know, really what's kind of you know it first
interests you to get involved, and then what's kept you engaged,
you know for many years? And you know, Ken's like,
I'm not leaving even if you try to kick me out.

(07:58):
So Kenana, I'll start.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
With you on that one.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Uh well, number number one.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
I love Hartford, I mean I really love Hartford. And
when I was offered the opportunity to lead an organization
that was going to be whose mission was the revitalization
of the Asylum Hill neighbor neighborhood, I just jumped at
the chance. I think that, uh this neighborhood, Asylum Hill,
is one of the more interesting historic, uh neighborhoods in

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the city. It's just got a wealth of different assets,
including two internationally renowned house museums, the Harriet Beecher Stowe
and Mark Twain House. Linda mentioned the uh you know,
still the kind of engines of of development in in

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the region. Etna and the Hartford are here. Uh Saint
Francis Hospital, a top one hundred hospital uh in the nation.
So it's a very fascinating neighborhood. Folks may not know,
but uh you between the Civil War and World War One,
Asylum Hill was the place to live. It was the
premier neighborhood in the city of Hartford. Governors and senators

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lived on Asylum Hill. Of course Mark Twain and Harriet
pecher Stowe were here, but so was JP Morgan, who
is formative childhood years on Asylum Hill. And the legacy
of that is we've just got some terrific architecture, more
than two hundred homes listed on the National Register of

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Historic Places.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
And nine has been using that that legacy as an
asset to build on to create value and demand for
homeownership housing here in Asylum Hilly, and that has been
as as Linda indicated, our bread and butter and we
are we started that way and I know we'll talk
about a little bit about chronology of that, but we're

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continuing to do that to this day. And the first
we started on, which was the first block of Ashley Street.
When we started, the last home that's was sold on
Ashley Street sold for ninety thousand. This is around two
thousand and one now on that same block, nine A

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recently completed a home for three hundred and fifty thousand. Wow,
and still actually very affordable inside the scheme of things
of the region. But you think about the thirty five
homes that are on that block and the amount of
wealth that has been generated in equity for the surrounding homeowners.

(10:37):
It's just one of the more satisfying things that I
love about this job.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Definitely, No, that's great, and appreciate that history there so
certainly a lot of reasons to be involved, and Andy
would love to hear from your perspective.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Sure. So, when I moved back to the region in
twenty eleven to take a job in the Hartford in
the law department, one of my goals was to be
more involved in my community, certainly than I was as
a junior lawyer in private practice working big law.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, I was gonna say no time for anything else.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
So in coming down here and starting my family and
wanting to you know, invest in the region, certainly living
nearby having been a real estate lawyer, it was a
natural fit. It was aligned with my interests in my
professionals experience, and it was already an established organization having

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done great work. So when I asked, and this was
really the first thing presented to me as an opportunity
with my boss at the time, I was pushing against
an open door, it really was perfect for me and
I haven't looked back and really enjoyed my time on

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the board. And as I told our CEO when he
was in front of one of the projects, were i'll
talk about, you know, presenting some support financially to the organization,
I told them, this is the best part of my job.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Is that's really neat. I love that. Thank you so
much for sharing that, and you know, we touched on it.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You Ken, you kind of highlighted some of the investments
that it takes, especially today to rehab some of these homes.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
And Linda, can you touch you know a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You shared a lot about kind of who is serving
on the board of directors those pillar companies. Can you
talk a little bit more about to some of your
other financial resources and what's helping fund a lot of
these projects?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Oh sure, yeah. As I mentioned that the sources of
funding need to come from a lot of different places
so that it adds up to what we need, but
certainly List and the City of Hartford, the State of Connecticut,
and other institutions that are not members of the board

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but which provide us with or we provide them with
tax credits for their donation, and even some individuals make
donations foundations, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
And CRDA, which has been a big driver of the
apartments in downtown, has also been helping Nina with the
home ownership development on a silent Hill. They're a partner.
Ever Source has been buying all of our state tax
credits and that's been a key piece of subsidy needed
in order to renovate these structures. There's a historic homes

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tax credit available in the state, and ever Source purchases
those tax credits, which allows us to subsidize our developments.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Very interesting, that's great, And Ken, can you talk a
little bit just about the overall economic impacts, you know,
number of homes kind of what does that look like.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
It's big numbers, impressive numbers.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Over fifteen million dollars of investment since our inception, and
it's included commercial, retail, streetscape improvements, and most significantly, our
home ownership development. It's been focused on re meeting Blake
because Blake is such a problem for neighborhoods. Yeah, they

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can become magnets of criminal activity and certainly doesn't encourage
you to invest on a block if you're looking at
a boarded up building next door. So we've been working
hard at that. When we started, there are forty nine
blighted buildings in Asylum Hill. Today, each and every one

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of those forty nine buildings have either been restored are
converted to some other productive use. And now that does
not mean we have none, because there have been a
few added that we want to address moving forward, but
there's been some big steps.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's huge since i mean talk about literally changing the
entire neighborhood and you know, certainly a lot of lives too,
and could you touch a little bit too on you know,
who is purchasing these homes. You know, after they've been renovated.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
A lot of them are first time home by which
is great because you know, that's probably the single most
important investment that many people make. And part of what,
as Linda mentioned, we kind of invest in concentration, so
it's not just one house, it's three or four, and
streetscape improvements and whatnot. So we're building value as we're

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building rebuilding homes so that people surrounding it's not just
that house, it's the surrounding properties that will benefit as well.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Some quick numbers, yes, aren't give them to us.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
So that that house, for instance, that we sold for
three hundred and fifty thousand dollars on Ashley Street, hypothetically,
you know, they'll get a mortgage for most of that.
And then if you assume over a ten year period
of time a gradual appreciation I'm not talking like giant

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two and a half percent and a half appreciation per year.
You figure thatciation together with the amortization on their loan.
In ten years they will have one hundred and sixty
thousand dollars with acady and that's that's money to put
your kid through college and start a business. And it's

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kind of interesting because the several of our owners have
started a business.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
The owner of Story and Soil Yes on Capitol Avenue
and now also in Middletown, is a NINA owner and
the owner of a thriving flower shop in Suffield. Vina
and Ivy is also an owner and a board member
nice of NINA so there's just two examples of folks
who've bought Nina homes.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
That is thank you for sharing nex we as you know,
love to spoty look entrepreneurs.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, go ahead, Linda, just jump in.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
So what kenn is describing is what he coined a
phrase catalyst for community reinvestments. And I think that was
you initial investment, an initial to the initial investment. It
just burns other growth around it. So as we were
tackling the renovation of a home, the owner next door

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would come and ask us if we could help with
their property. We had one lady who was a grandmother
raising her grandchildren who had a dilapidated Santa Claus and
reindeer on her roof, and her roof needed We helped
with that twelve months a year of Santa And we
had a firefighter who saw painting the new restored homes

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next to him in Victorian colors and wanted help so
that his house could be repainted and be consistent. And
so it just gives people who live there hope that
there's interest in their neighborhood, and so they're interested in
their neighborhood and want to do more to help improve
the quality of life. And then oh, by the way,

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these investments of new first time home buyers when their
homes appreciating, these longtime residents are seeing the appreciation of
their homes as well.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Okay, perfect, and certainly is benefiting the entire city. And
you know, as I mentioned, if those of you who
haven't driven through the Asylum Hell neighborhood talk about just
historic buildings, I mean the houses are absolutely stunning. And
you know, would love for each of you if you
don't mind kind of sharing, you know, a project that
may be something kind of special to you or something
that you think people should really take a look at.

(18:29):
So Andy, and I'll put you on the hot seat
first with that one, if you don't mind.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
So you know, it's always hard to pick because of
all the work we've done and amazing things that can
has pulled off over thirty years. But I'll start with
what we're working on now.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
That'd be great.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
And so right now, eight forty seven Asylum, also known
as the Plimpton House, is a Neo Gothic home maybe
inspiration for the Mark Twain House. And the rumor goes
and we will perpetuate it today. Yeah, their waves that
Mark Twain played billiards in the billiard room of this house,

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which is something we've lovingly restored for the owner that
Ken's in the in the home stretch and in finishing
that property, and we look forward to an open house
in about a month there nice and so stunning home.
Will have that set up as a with one owners

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unit and two units for that owner to rent out
to support the mortgage on that property. Nice and hoping
to hit the market later this year. But just an
amazing building. And we've put a ton of volunteer hours
in between the Trinity sports teams and folks from the

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Hartford and other supporters have gone over and done demolition
and pulled nails out of boards and pulled up floorboards,
all of it.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
And it's a fun competition. The hockey team, for instance,
the forwards would take on the d and they would
be ragging each other that you're not doing as good
as us.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Who can hang the insulation of the pastest And.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
We might have some friendly competition even within our a
lot department, as might might not competitive folks at all
within that discipline. So but that's just a gorgeous house
and it's so visible being right there behind the Cathedral
on on Asylum and so that's that's what i'd point folks.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Tokay, I like it.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
It's literally it looks like you're you've stepped out of
the nineteenth century. The the entrance for your dining room,
Billiard's room are all actually painted. Uh. John Canning who
was a very famous artist. He works on little small
projects like Grand Central Station and and has done work

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here in Asylum Hill. He stenciled the Billiard's room and
very very cool. And we actually brought back Canning and
Company to to touch up the original stenciling that they
had done back in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Okay, oh, we're gonna need some photos.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
And you mentioned the open house and I don't believe
a date has been set for that, but is that
something that is open to the public as well.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, Actually, if you go on Nina Hartford dot org,
we will have a notice of when the open house
is going to take place.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Perfect. I know I'm coming. I told Susan, I have
to let me know I'm in.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Can describe the light coming in through the west windows.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Oh yeah, they we've got the stained glass that is
just phenomenal when the lights when the sun goes down
and we put some directional lighting on the stained glass
so as you walk by or drive by, I mean,
you can't miss it. It's stunning. So next time you're

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driving down Asylum Avenue at night, just take a peek
on the left at eight forty seven Asylum Avenue.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Okay, this is good to know. And Linda, any projects
that come top of mind to you and you know,
whether working on now or ones you're proud of.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Well. I was going to talk about Victorian Lady, which
was our opportunistic first project where we moved a house
for the ETNA from one side of Asylum Hill to
another and backed it into an empty lot. But I
think you're hearing a lot about our home ownership and redevelopment.

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I did want to touch on some of the other
things we've done. One project close to our hearts is
Teacher Dollars, where we worked with West Middle Elementary School
during COVID and asked the teachers what we could do
to assist and basically raised money to put dollars in
their park pockets on debit cards so that they could

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spend money for the children in their classrooms, many of
whom were you know, then learning remotely and so one
of the one of the things that they needed were
masks for the children, which they designed themselves. And in addition,
we've provided books and other learning tools for the teachers,

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because again, we can renovate homes, but we also need
to ensure that the neighborhood is a great place for kids,
for families to raise their children, and for public safety
and quality of life overall. So Ken's assistant director, David
Corgan works extensively with the neighborhood on Santa in the

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Park and caroling and other neighborhood activities that bring the
community together nice so that they feel like they're all
part of something that's great.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
No, and Linda, I'm glad you touched on that because
there's other projects and programs that nine is involved with
as well. And you know, looking Ken, Andy, I know
who wants to take that question, but would love to
hear a little bit further on that.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
Well, you know, I think Linda very ably talked about,
you know, the best ones we've had, so she stole
my thunder a little bit.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
But but Andy, you talk a little bit about your
work with a Farmington Avenue alliance. You know, it's kind
of a adjunct, but it's part of the overall strategy.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Sure, No, absolutely, so. I'm actually a commissioner on the
board of directors for the Hertard Business Proved District, which
number of the houses are are now bordering the district,
as well as some of our future projects. So working
you know, is sort of with one foot neither in
either room. We're able to coordinate some of the quality

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life and safety and just really basically keep a good
eye on how things are going in the neighborhood in
making sure that you know, the voices are heard as
we look at some of the street escape improvements, some
of the other projects that have happened in affecting Asylum
Hill as well, and so it is it's a good

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synergy of different groups. Again, David Corgan, who we mentioned
working closely with an A and at times working with
their you know, safety efforts to make sure that again
this is a great place to raise kids, to have
a family and to you know, work, live and play
like we talk about all throughout the city.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yes, definitely, No, that's great, that's great and kind of
last question. We have a few minutes remaining, and this
is a big question which really we shouldn't put into
a few minutes, but you know, based on the show,
we're going to have to do that today. So as
to each of you, if you could touch just from
your personal perspective, is why is the revitalization of Hartford's
Asylum health so important?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
And why not? Can I'll throw that one over to
you first.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Wow, where do I start?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I know that's where I said. It's it's tough. I
know we're trying to make it narrow down.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
But I think and narrow it right down to the
individuals who purchased the homes. This is just such a
life changer. I already mentioned the financially because we are
working and we continue to work in the same neighborhood,
we continue to build on what's around them. So I

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assessor told me one time, Wow, it's a small miracle
there on Ashley Street. You know, he's doing the assessment
every five years and he looks at some of the
other areas and other parts of the city and well,
it's you know, pretty down or just stable, and Ashley

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Street is taking off every five years the values are higher.
So that's really important. And it's also important in the
sense that the city of Harford's revenues come primarily from
property taxes. Yes, so unless we grow the texts grand list,

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it becomes very difficult to fund the needed services that
the folks in the area need. So building value from
that perspective is also great. And then having homeowners who
are the presidents of the PTO, who are on public
block watches, who are doing the things that make a

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neighborhood to stitch together is really vital. And we have
that the house I mentioned on Ashley Street, they were
so excited. There's the bubblic young couple. When they moved in,
they baked a bunch of cookies and walked.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Around the neighborhood so fun.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
They introduced themselves and gave the folks cookies and everybody
got a kick out of that.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
That's really neat.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
So those are all those little things that make a
neighborhood great.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Definitely, No makes a huge difference. So and any what
about your thoughts, you know in terms of kind of
what do you feel is the most highlighted thing for
the real vitalization.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
So for me, I mean Ken captures it beautifully. Is
seeing those families come in and really with that vigor
and that fresh energy to a neighborhood that you know,
has been through an awful lot and you know, two
hundred years that we've been in the city, and you
know one hundred years that are headquarters has been an

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asylum hill. And so I think for the Hartford being
a good neighbor is a priority for us. Nine is
a great community partner for us, whether it's you know,
providing us these volunteer opportunities which people absolutely love. You know,
what's better than you know, interior demolition, which well we're
doing that tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
We have a group of about time.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
You don't seem excited at all, not at.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
All, not at all, you know, so doing those sorts
of projects, you know, but nine has been a great
partner for that. But you know, or for the neighborhood,
you know, as other efforts to revitalize some of the
commercial corridor to bring in businesses. The fact that now
you have people living in the neighborhood and opening businesses

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really contributing to the life of the place. You know,
that's really what's critical. That's what the name of the
game is here for us, and all this other stuff
is aimed at making that happen.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, that's great. Thank you so much for that.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
And Linda, we have about a minute left, so if
you don't, if you're able to wrap up in a minute,
I know a big question, but if you could touch
just kind of from your vantage point about the revitalization.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
From my vantage point, what's great is seeing the hope
and the positivity that people have and the passion that
people have about Hartburg and how important it is to
show that this organization has been sustainable and sustaining over
twenty years now and is continuing to help grow and

(29:57):
improve the neighborhood. And because we work together with all
of the people involved in the state and local resources
and the homeowners to make this happen and collaborate. But
it's not something that you can take You can't take
your eye off the ball. You have to keep going
because revitalization is an ongoing process and we just have

(30:19):
to continue at it into the future. And I'm very
confident that Nina will be leading the way on that.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Definitely, I have full confidence in it as well. And Linda,
can you share again where people can get more information
about Nina and look to get involved with your work.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Sure, go to Nina Hartford dot org. So I am
a Hertford dot org and you'll see some great before
and after photos and it will show opportunities for getting
involved for walking tours in the neighborhood. And I'm sure
Ken and David would be delighted to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, yes we would, Yes you would. I can see
it all over your face, so perfect. Well, thank you,
thank you so much for the conversation today, and again
everyone keep an eye out for that open house that
will be event announced soon. So but thank you so much,
not only for the conversation, but also for the work
you guys are doing for the city, which is really
also impacting the state.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
So thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Of course, of course for all the details about today's show,
you can visit pulseoftheregion dot com. A big thank you
to our show partner oak Hill, and of course, as always,
we thank you for listening.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I'm Kate Bauman.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Go out and make today a good day here in Connecticut.