Full Show Podcast: 31 March 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 31st of March - a survey of Kiwis has found 32 percent like the idea of an authoritarian leader who doesn't have to worry about parliament or elections.

Then, the Afternoons duo ask if in these uncertain times, is it an attractive investment?

And to finish a great discussion around the buzz of the NEO Gamma robot - would you have one in your home? 

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Hello you Gort, New Zealanders. Welcome to Matt and Tyler Afternoons,
Full show podcast number ninety eight. So just two away
from the ton? Can we make it not out to
one hundred? It is Monday, the thirty first of March
twenty twenty five and fantastically interesting show today. Cluster of technically,
but we got through ironically because we go deep into

(00:40):
two robots at the end, and there was a really
interesting chat. I mean I went to a I didn't
talk about this on their but I went to a
presentation from in Zidmy and they were talking about AI
hosts of radio shows. Yep, and they played us some
AI of the voice, the ZB.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Voice Dan right soon yep, great voice, A lot of
that's AI.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, so it's only amount of time Tyler before fast
I replace you with a rumba.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Please this place will be clean Jesus Big Sky.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:43):
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Hope you're doing well with IVY. You're listening in the country.
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or boy?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Did you watch that footage over the weekend of the
Infinity Pool at the top of that sky scrape I
did in Malaysia?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Terrifying.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
That is some of the most terrifying footage I've ever seen,
So if you haven't. There's two people on a Liloh
in the pool. It starts shaking the pool. The water
starts going back and forth with this horrific earthquake, and
then the water's getting even more choppy, so they go
to climb out of the pool. They climb out, and

(02:27):
you know, this is so far up in the air
on the top of a skyscraper. The water smashes out
the glass and starts washing the water over. There's a
person cleaning the windows that you see that just gets
this water coming down just misses him. These people, this
boyfriend and girlfriend climb out of the pool in time.

(02:47):
If they'd been in there any longer, they would have
been washed right over the edge. It's like a it's
like a Hollywood movie. Absolutely terrifying, but the interesting thing
in it, and this just speaks to the addiction levels
that we have. As they're running away from this situation,
they both go back and grab their phones off where
they were sunbathing. They both go back, turn around and

(03:09):
grab their phones on the way out.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
It was such a tense watch, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I'm watching that and I don't know the result of
it when it comes up and I'm good, don't go
back to your phone.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I was yelling at the screen saying get out and run.
But yeah, amazing footage and just google Infinity Paul Bangkok.
Yeah and you watch it and just he heads up
at his tense.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, but yeah, what a horrible tragedy. Yeah, absolutely, Oh
my goodness.

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Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, sorry, I said Malaysia instead of Bancock. I was
reading something about Malaysia. Yeah, the earthquakes in Bangkok. Sorry
that the Bancock skyscraper boy boy. Before I was saying
no mistakes, because you made a number of mistakes in
the earlier in the show, I said, no more mistakes.
Let's bring some professionalism back. And there I am saying
Malaysia instead of Bangkok.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I've had my you've had yours. Now we can all
move forward and have a really professional show.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's going to be so professional for now on Italia.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Certainly is right to today's show after three o'clock. This
is going to be a good discussion robotics.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
This is on.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
The back of a fascinating technology company that have created
effectively a humanoid robot. It's called Neo Gamma, and it
will be in a few hundred to or a few
thousand homes by the end of this year. But this
thing is, and these are my words, a bit creepy.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, it is creepy. It's the Uncanny Valley. So the
the Neogamma, it's a robot, so it's got the face
on it with the eyes and stuff, so it's not
going for a full human face, but it is covered
in sort of this like a sweatshirt basically over its
body so you can't see the mechanisms. So it can
do things vacuum your house, you know, do your laundry.

(06:13):
And look, they're just trial it now. They're trying to
bootstrap it by putting it into a thousand homes. But
they've raised a lot of money. They've got open AI,
so it's AI enabled, and you know, it still needs
a bit of help from people, but it's not far
away until we have robots living in our home doing
domestic jaws for us, okay, and whatever else they can do.
But do we want that? Do you really want a

(06:35):
robot in your home? Can you not do your laundry yourself?
How lazy are we that we need to be even
thinking about getting a robot to do the vacuuming? Just
do it yourself?

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Anyway? It is creepy.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
That is going to be a good discussion after three o'clock.
After two o'clock investing in gold. As the price of
gold continues to new hide our highs, Rather, investors have
been warned to carefully consider how much they invest in
the precious metal. And this has long been a big thing,
right about investing in gold, the pros and cons whether
you actually buy physical bullion or whether you go into
one of these companies that invest it for you. Love

(07:08):
to chat to you about, you know, the gold strategy.
What is the value in investing in gold. It's traditionally
been a bit of a buffer when the economy goes haywire,
that you can trust a little bit more in gold,
that the value will remain steady. But can to have
that chat with you after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff in gold
as well. You know, you have to have insurance, it
has to be locked after. It doesn't pay dividends or interests.
But people love it. People think it's secure.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Don you yep, I don't get it, me neither. But
right now, let's have a chat about democracy. So in
a Talbot Mill survey of two six hundred kiwis at
the end of last year, thirty two percent said they
like the idea of a benevolent dictator, effectively someone who
can get things done without having challenges or hurdles from

(08:00):
other parts of government or council.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Well, let's listen to how Jack Taine put it on
Q and A in the weekend.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Right, we're just going to come back to that audio.
So this is Jack tame on Q and A over
the weekend.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
Eighty one percent of respondents in your survey said that
democracy is good for running the country. But when you
frame the question in a slightly different way, it had
a fascinating response. You asked, would having a strong leader
who does not have to bother with parliament and elections
be a good way to govern New Zealand? Thirty two
percent of people said it would be a good way

(08:40):
to govern New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
Forty eight percent of men under the age of forty
four think it would be good.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Forty eight percent of men under forty four under what
was it under? I dis missed that.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Sorry it was under the age of forty four, I
believe yet, yes.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Right, yeah, So that's open to the idea. And look,
it's not exactly like for like for the question, and
the question was put in kind of a strange way.
And look, you can nicol and die this whole survey
and the people that run it, but that's quite a
lot of people that are falling out of love democracy,

(09:19):
isn't it?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, I mean is it terrifying or is that should
we be concerned about that? Figure? I mean I can
part of me understands why some of those respondents may
have said that is that when you look at our
democracy in particular, there's so many hurdles and challenges put
up in the way of doing anything.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, I mean democracy is messy and expensive. And look,
if the party you didn't vote for gets in, then
you don't really experience, you know, democracy, you experience you
got to vote, but you don't get your way. Yeah,
So in any given election, a huge percent of population
don't get their way, and then it's not What we
have is not democracy in a really pure sense of

(10:03):
the word, the ancient Greek sense where everything is voted on,
everyone gets together and everyone votes on it, or everyone
that's allowed to vote gets to vote on everything. That's
not really how it works. But a lot of people
are getting falling out in love with institutions, and yeah,

(10:23):
to the point where people are open. The thing is,
if you could get a benevolent dictator who was the
smartest person in the world, is just say you got
an incredible counsel of people, let's just say twelve, like
a jury, and they were experts on everything they needed
to be and you could be absolutely sure that their
interests were aligned with your interests, and they would make

(10:44):
hard decisions, so the country was prosperous, economic growth was maximized,
infrastructure decisions were made long term, and they never got
corrupted by power, and they never did terrible evil things.
Then surely that would be the best form of government.
It sounds great, but the problem is that about two

(11:06):
months after they get in, journalists start going with yeah,
and anything, any any kind of descent is quashed. Yeah.
But you know is are you falling in love? Are
you falling out of love with democracy?

Speaker 8 (11:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Weight undred eighty ten eighty is really the question because
it looks like a lot of men under forty.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Ar yep, keen ta have a chat with you about this.
One O waight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is sixteen past one. Bagtory shortly
here on News Talks theb.

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Speaker 3 (11:46):
News Talks EDB News Talks THEB. It is nineteen past
one and we're chatting about the state of democracy in
New Zealand on the back of a survey that asked
the question. This is a tail brought to Mills survey
of twenty six hundred key weeks. So here's how they
phrase the question. They asked whether or would having a

(12:09):
strong leader that doesn't have to worry about parliament or
elections be good for the country. Thirty two percent of
those governed agreed that that would be good for the country.
Then when you looked at men under the age of
forty four, forty eight percent said that was a good

(12:30):
way to govern the country. Effectively, that is an authoritarian
type leader who doesn't have to worry about parliament or
elections to be able to get things done.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So, you know, the famous saying is you know, God,
I'm forgetting it right now, is it? Winston Churchill? Yeah,
said basically if someone will help me with the quote
in nine two ninety two, you know, basically democracy is terrible.
It's just the best, yeah, possible situation. What is that?
Bloody Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, I don't want a paraphrase as well, we'll find
that quote.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
We'll get the quote for you. Yeah, it slipped my
mind just as I undersaid it. But yeah, so democracy
definitely has its problems, doesn't it. Yeah, But the fact
that that many people under that many men under forty
four would consider benevolent dictator as a better option is

(13:23):
pretty interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
It is a bit scary. But I do wonder the
role of local government. And we've got our local government
elections coming up a little bit later this year. But
it has long been the criticism of having the local government,
which is technically the local democracy. Then you've got the
central government, which we all vote for as well, well,
most of us vote for it, but the local government

(13:47):
being able to make decisions above and beyond central government.
And I mentioned to you after the earthquakes and they
passed legislation and created the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority which
effectively took over local council decision making. That was very
controversial back when that decision was made. But arguably, and

(14:08):
people will disagree with me here, arguably that is how
things got done. In the ends that Jerry Brownley is
a Minister of earthquake Recovery was able to come in
make decisions without the say of the local council. Local
council was put to one side. Jerry Brownley made the
decision with the help of cabinet, and things got done.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
This is the quote. Many forms of government have been
tried and will be tried in this world of sin
and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government except for all those other
forms that have been tried from time to time. That's
from Winston Churchill.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
It's not a bad accent, not a bad.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
It wasn't a bad accent. I don't think it was
anything like Winston Churchill. But yeah, I mean, democracy is,
you know, so many resources. You know, look, I'm reading
this article. I'm reading my own article that I wrote
in twenty sixteen, actually that I just found in the Herald.
What's the headline that democracy is a massive waste of
time and money? Okay, right, and look, just playing Devil's

(15:09):
advocate here, Yeah, I mean, you know, under when there's
not a democracy, people start going missing. That's Genny, what happens.
And so look I just want to say I support democracy,
but I also support throwing out ideas to get reactions.
So democracy is out of control. This was in twenty
sixteen lead leading up to the American election. Eighteen months

(15:29):
of polls and outrage and rallies, massive panels of partisan
pundits punishing the people with pointless quantifications, endless fact checking
with no consequences. The two candidates spend one point three
billion on the latest White House run. Surely they could
have said all they needed to say in a month
for a hundredths of that. So much cash and time spent,
making voters scared for their futures. At the end of it,

(15:50):
all the candidates got about the same amount of votes.
So there's all this effort and debate and anger and
so much of what we do in democracies is just
dealing with the democracy yelling at each other, arguing, oppositions
putting down every plan that they're the current government puts
in the opposition has to run down. Yeah, it's quite

(16:13):
it's quite an efficient system. So you know, from a
done if if you're running a heavy case of Dunna Krueger,
you might look at a democracy and go, you know what,
it would be better if we just got a benevolent
dictator to run the whole thing. And sure there be
some downsides of that, but ultimately things will get done
and you'd be moving in one direction for a period

(16:36):
a long period of time.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, and no doubt about it. With looking at those
figures again that thirty two percent of overall survey respondents
thought that way and forty eight percent of men under
the age of forty four thought that way. I mean
that is, you know, this is something we need to
chat about. What is going wrong with democracy that that
many people feel that way?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Boys says this text to George, give me a tyrant
like they have in Singapore any day of a bunch
of muppets that parade every three years through Parliament. There
you go.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, thank you. O one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call Graham. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (17:11):
Good?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Thanks and watch let you go.

Speaker 9 (17:14):
My thoughts is that we should have voted for STV
so that everybody that sat in Parliament had actually been
voted in. Unless the MP's are a waste of time
and we need to get rid of them and we
need to get to be to vote for our representatives
one by one, and STV is the.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Way to do it right. So you think a lot
of the disintegration and how people feel about democracy part
of that is the MMP system.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
Yes, I do. Bolger wanted it, he thought he would
become president and we've got him to think for it
and we don't need it. It's just a sick way
of governing the country.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Do you think that first past the post, you know,
before we go to STV or single transfereral vote, do
you think first past the post is better than the MMP?

Speaker 9 (18:09):
Well, I grew up under First past the post, so
yes I do. But I think if we wanted to
do something a bit better, STV is the way to go.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
So that's a multi winner electoral system in which each
voter casts a single vote in the form of a
ranked ballot. Voters have the option to rank candidates and
their vote may be transferred according to alternative preferences if
their preferred candidate is eliminated or electric with a surpluses.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
Ranked the politicians according to your the way you see it, and.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Graham, what do you see just what is the advantage
of that?

Speaker 10 (18:41):
As you say it, that everybody that sits in Parliament
is voted in and no one is there on the coattails.

Speaker 9 (18:52):
Of other people. So you Gary Burney wouldn't have got
in if he had been an if he hadn't been
a list MP.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
But you're focusing on the list seats, Graham as that
element of m MP. And I think a lot of
people would agree that there's something a little bit undemocratic
about the list seats, But that is what you're focusing.

Speaker 9 (19:14):
On absolutely, because they're being paid, but they were never elected.
The only way they were elected was five percentage. But
you know, so what we need people that are accountable
to the electorate, not to a party.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
So when you see these large numbers of people that
are losing faith in democracy, do you think that they're
not really saying that they want a benevolent dictator? And
you're saying that they're they're looking to stop just for
a second on Graham, I'll just finish my thought here.
You're saying that what they're doing is they're looking at
the current system and they're thinking that it doesn't represent them.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (19:56):
And where are you going to find a benevolent dictator?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, I guess it's a I guess it's a stupid question. No,
but it's not a stupid question at all, Graham. What
it is is it's a it's a thought experiment.

Speaker 9 (20:09):
So you're so power corrupts and absolute power corrupts.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Absolutely, yeah, but it's interesting. It's an interesting thought question.
I mean, you know, a thought experiment.

Speaker 9 (20:18):
Really well, it's it's worth it's with the Devil's Advocate.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so ISTV. You think
if STV was the then more people would feel more
enamored with the you know, electoral process.

Speaker 9 (20:33):
I do.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, all right, thank you so much for your cool Graham,
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Love to hear your thoughts on this sore
you've fallen out of love with democracy and where is
democracy going wrong? In your eyes?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
The sext that Bob says STV stinks Queensland Premiere held
the post on twelve percent actual votes.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
There you go, okay, I love your thoughts. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty eight past one.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
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Speaker 3 (21:04):
I was what gave you that idea?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Was it when he said we've got.

Speaker 11 (21:07):
To keep taking Barnet was off this boat now?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Or when he said you.

Speaker 11 (21:11):
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come on, if I don't get some boats, some names
and boats and the cost of those ships and how
much infrastructures do we're going to have more exploration and
more time and more chats.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
What have we actually achieved? Back tomorrow at six am,
the Mike asking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Good afternoon, it is twenty nine to two and we're
talking about the state of democracy in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, eighty one percent of a study said that democracy
was good for the country. When you change the question
to wo'd having a strong leader that doesn't have to
worry about parliament or elections be good for the country,
thirty two percent agreed and forty eight percent of men
under the age of forty eight agreed with that, which
is essentially a benevolent dictator. This Texas says the problem

(22:03):
with democracy is the size they have all become. It
seems like most people in government work to bring more
peace and to help deal with the work they create. Surely,
with the help of technology, we can reduce the size
of the government. And that's what a lot of people
are texting through, and that's saying basically, bring on the
AI overlords. Yeah, but I don't know if people would
like purely logical decisions. It would be interesting to live

(22:24):
in a country where things are purely logical. And you've
got to say Singapore after nineteen sixty five, when they
were faced with an incredibly difficult problem of being kicked
out of Malaysia, they made perfectly logical decisions for a
long period of time and it's paid off in terms
of the wealth of that country.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah. Well they're world leaders now.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
But you could argue, you know, they do put a
lot of people to death on the way.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, this takes us hees guys yet tend to agree.
But a benevolent dictator with some limits has to be
re elected or kicked out every two years.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
See, that's the problem with the dictators. They always come
in and they say that they're going to run democracies,
but then the democracies don't stand up to scrutiny. You know,
you get North Korean democracies where you get more than
one hundred percent of the vote. And you know, once
a dictator is in it's very hard to get rid
of them. Yep, Because yeah, well it doesn't often go

(23:19):
well for a dictator when they're no longer in power.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, exactly. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Are you falling out of love with democracy?
And if you think something is going wrong with democracy?
What is going wrong? Oh e one hundred eighty ten
eighty to the number? Call headlines with windy coming up,
you talk, said.

Speaker 12 (23:38):
The headlines, we blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with
a blue bubble. The Greens a urging intervention and caution
from the Prime Minister and New Zealand First the Chief
of Staff, I have a party leader Winston Peter's comments
about a Green MP who's received extreme threats to themselves
and their family. Peter's has criticized posts of a sexually
suggestive nature by Benjamin Doyle's private social media before he

(24:03):
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like the Rainbow Commune, are accustomed to using terms may
not be well understood by external groups.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Health.

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the Reserve banks in our little assess its capital requirements
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(24:37):
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Find out more at enz at Herald Premium. Now back
to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Thank you very much, Wendy.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Eighty one percent of a survey of New Zealand's thought
that democracy was good for the country. But when you
change the question to would having a strong leader that
doesn't have to worry about parliament or elections be good
for the country, thirty two percent agreed and forty eight
percent of men under the age of forty four agreed
with that. So it would suggest that men under the

(25:16):
age of forty four are feeling pretty unhappy with the
way democracy works in this country. I mean, if you're
answering that you support democracy and the other one, there's
some kind of crossover where people aren't fully understanding what
democracy is. So we're just asking our people falling out
of love with democracy in this country, and it would
a benevolent dictator be a good thing. And before you

(25:38):
keep coming in and saying about World War two, look,
we're just having a discussion about it. We all understand
the problems with a benevolent dictator. It's a thought experiment,
all right. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And can I just add clearly if those are the
numbers coming through in the survey, and we can question
you know, the phrasing around the survey. But that is
incredibly interesting, terrifying to some people, but it is worthy
of discussion. If forty eight percent of men under forty
four are thinking that way, that is a problem that
we need to discuss.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Clearly. Anyone that says that things shouldn't be discussed because
it's dangerous, then you're not really supporting democracy. All those
people saying that that we should that you're somehow supporting
democracy by saying that people shouldn't discuss democracy. You're not
fully understanding democracy. Welcome to the show, Tony. Your thoughts
on this.

Speaker 13 (26:31):
He's messy, yep, sorry, democracy is messy, Winston Churchill. I
think some that are busy said democracies the worst form
of government with the exception of all other forms of government.
And you know, I think he's onto something that it
can be messy, it can be frustrating, and I think,

(26:55):
you know, our cousin our current proportional representation system of
Tower week's a dog or we But the truth is
it's still the will of the majority, and buyermarge, that's
the best way to go. If you didn't. If you
start giving up any of your rights through a benevolent
dictator or whatever else you might you know, system you

(27:15):
might choose, you will struggle to get them back. So,
you know, we've got to have a strong constitution, strong
bill of rights, all that sort of thing, and then
let the people, the will of the people decide.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Do you think that that is what's happening now? Do
you think an MMP, that the will of the people
do decide what happens? Because some people would say that,
you know, they vote and then there's a deal made
and then this compromise is made, and then people change
their minds as they get into too power, and by
the end of it, what you vote for doesn't necessarily happen.

Speaker 13 (27:53):
I think it does.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Actually.

Speaker 13 (27:54):
Interestingly, I think the term of the government plays a
part there, because I was a fan of changing the
term of the government from three years to four. But
actually I think if the government do or you know,
the coalition put into place things that they didn't campaign on,

(28:15):
then they can be thrown out pretty quickly. So I
actually think a three year term kind of sorts that
problem out.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
But I guess the main problem people have with democracy
as the lack of long term thinking, and that.

Speaker 13 (28:30):
When the three years, the three year cycle does does
cause that. But I mean, yeah, they're all sort of
campaigning on pork barrel stuff out David is kind of
short term, short term, you know, fixes to immediate problems.
But I don't know, I don't think there's any there's

(28:51):
a better solution.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much for your call, Tony.
It was interesting when I was thinking. I was thinking
about this when I was driving in because I found
this the surveyor really interesting, and I was thinking, how
could you deal with it? Because you get a benevolent
dictator in right, and then they become unbenevolent pretty quickly,
but they have to protect their position and.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
They get power and powers.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
And then I was thinking, oh, could you just have
about really really long terms for governments, So when you
have a democracy, you have a vote, and then that
government's in for fifteen years, and then maybe you take
out the need to hold onto power and change and
change their opinions just to get re elected and campaign
the whole time. But then I thought after the fifteen years,

(29:31):
they wouldn't get out.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Their claws and pretty tightly.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
So while we're in the realm of silly thought experience,
I was thinking, you do it some kind of really
deep psychological test, an intelligence test, and you put in
these people and they're all fifty at the time that
they go in, so they had a bit of experience
in life. But then you inject a serum in them
that they that they die twenty years later. So you're

(29:55):
going to have unchecked power for twenty years, but you
will die, and then you can guarantee that they won't
start rigging elections to win after twenty years.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
And what an ultimate sacrifice to the country. Yeah, you
will be going in twenty years, but you know we'll
love you for it. It'll be hell over twenty years exactly.
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty to number to
call it is eighteen to two.

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Speaker 3 (30:28):
They'd be good afternoon. It is a quarter to two,
and having a great discussion about democracy in New Zealand
on the back of quite an interesting survey.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah Tobert Mills survey that the answer to this question
would having a strong leader that doesn't have to worry
about parliament or elections be good for the country. Thirty
two percent agreed and forty eight percent of men under
the age of forty four agreed. This text says the
issue isn't democracy, it's lads under forty four who are

(30:58):
happy for others to do stuff for them while they
go to the pub. Okay, yeah, das all right. Or
maybe the problem is that they feel left out of
the democratic process might be the problem as well.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
This one says, guys, look at what our ancestors built
in three year terms. It's the politicians, not the term
that is the problem.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
From Bob, and this text of serum makes a really
really good point. The result of the survey would be
completely different if they had included the word dictator in
the original survey question. I don't think they really understood
what they were saying, and I think that's that's probably
true because eighty one percent said democracy was good for
the country, but then a thirty two percent thought that

(31:39):
they wanted the opposite of democracy, So you know, and
that's why surveys are so dodge because you're asking, I mean,
and if you go through the survey, they are some
pretty leading questions all the way through it. But it's
still an interesting whatever, yeah, whatever. The fact that that
many under men under forty four forty eight percent agreed

(32:00):
with that is significant.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Absolutely yeah, worthy of discussion. Absolutely, Oh it under a
eighty ten eighty is the number to call how are you?

Speaker 14 (32:09):
And he goes not too bad teas the under forty
fours will not remember if it was that first past
the post the MMP election that first brought all that
in was in ninety six. Now I'm forty six and
I was eighteen and could just vote, so first you

(32:30):
could do what you want. Sixty seventies eighties you didn't
have an opposition.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
That would.

Speaker 14 (32:36):
Team up with and create a coalition to veto everything
you wanted to put through. And you had your rogenomics
because of it. You had Muldoon, you had Lonie. They
all did what they wanted to do more or less.
So I think that the demographic just have not experienced it.
They might have heard their appearents moaning about it, but
that would have been.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
All yeah, because one of the main complaints people had
about first past the post is it was and this
often happened because of population spread. Often the party that
got in didn't didn't get the popular.

Speaker 15 (33:09):
Vote, So there you go.

Speaker 14 (33:13):
I mean, and you could have one party get fifty
one percent and push through more or less what they
wanted within reason.

Speaker 15 (33:19):
So yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well you didn't you get a party that got forty
forty six percent and push it through because the size
of because you know, if you've got if you won
more rural electorates and national governments were getting in on
that for a while, which which sort of started the
ground swell against first past the post But one thing Nathan,
that was good about First past the Post, and I
think people don't understand this is that your your local

(33:46):
MP was fighting within the government for your region. Yes, correct,
and so if so they had to say within that
party that has sort of disappeared now and with MMP,
what you get is just the word of that party,
So you get National has one is in line with
one thing, Labors in line with another, Greens are line

(34:08):
with another, actor in line with another, rather than a
whole lot of voices coming in from from different electorates.
And I think that's something that we've lost.

Speaker 16 (34:18):
Yeah, we've swung.

Speaker 14 (34:19):
Almost too far the other way, but most of the attendum.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, we've had a few
referendums on MMP and I certainly don't think it's working right,
But I don't know how to tweak it to make
it work more efficiently. You know, there's a lot of
elements there. It's very complex and we want everybody to
have a voice, but it's clearly not working as good
as it should.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
But Nathan, do you find it slightly concerning that such
a large percentage of New Zealanders would essentially be pro
a benevolent dictator.

Speaker 14 (34:51):
Were interviewed, this is the thing with statistic.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Two thousand, six hundred.

Speaker 14 (34:57):
Right in what areas across the country.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Or we'd have to go through the methodology.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
You're right, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 14 (35:06):
Statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want want. Yeah,
and if you combined all the women against that one demographic,
what was that total? So you know, at least at
least some of us have got a brain or at
least the experience to have known what we've come from
and understand exactly what that means.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
That question exactly exactly Nathan in the question that was asked,
which was woord having a stronger leader that doesn't have
to worry about parliament or elections be good for the country,
Which is a really strange question. As a Texas sent
in before, if they said do you like dictators? Do
you want to be ruled by a dictator? Then I
imagine the percentage of people that agreed with it would
be much smaller.

Speaker 14 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean Churchill was a strong leader, he was
also a drunkard. Stalin was a good leader, and even
you could argue Hitler in the thirties, apart from his
anti submitted I mean, don't go into that. The man
was evil personified, but he made the country flourish. So
through whose lens are you looking at these people? And

(36:10):
you know so your labor voters would argue that your
national leader no way could be benevolent and vice versa.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I mean that's exactly right. But even now in democracy,
if you vote one way and the election goes another way,
you could argue you don't have any democracy at that
point for you personally, because the people that are doing
exactly what you didn't want it.

Speaker 14 (36:32):
Yeah, it's the least list of MPs getting on the
coattails of the vote is what really rips Mindy speaks.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for you call, Nathan.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, nicely said. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call love to hear your thoughts about
the state of democracy? Are you falling out of love
with democracy? Is their problems that you can identify? Love
to hear from you? It is nine to two.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
As this Texas says, we know why we call them dictators,
don't you? It's because they're dicks?

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Is that why networks? All right?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Okay, Matties Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty eight Matt and Tyler Afternoon with the Volvo
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Speaker 2 (37:18):
News dogs, b news dogs.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
They be six to two.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Owen, welcome to show what's your thoughts?

Speaker 17 (37:26):
Oh, the first question is we'll stop deceiving ourselves. We
actually live in what they call a democracy. The first
thing is we live in a monarchy. If the king's
not happy with what he sees, he can change the government.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Can Somebody said that would speed up a republic chat
a bit fast, wouldn't that?

Speaker 17 (37:49):
Well, yeah, but then that'll cause other problems as well.
I suppose My main issue is why don't everybody go
to Parliament and then select the people who are the
best for the country rather than for the party. Well yeah,
we're talking about for the country, but at the end
of the days for the party, and it's what the

(38:09):
party wants, not what the people want.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's how it seems to often
turn out. And I think in m MP the party parties,
you know, as I was saying before, you end up
with just the one viewpoint of National the one point
viewpoint of Labor, the one viewpoint of ACT and the
one viewpoint of Green or Greens or whoever else. Yeah,
you know that you don't have this many, many dissenting

(38:33):
voices across different electorates. But I think people forget with
MP as well as that. You know, all the members
of the Act Party would be in the National Party
if it wasn't for m MP. Yeah, and the Greens
would just be you know, people you know, running around
saying stuff within the Labor Party and then you get
broken into those two blocks. Yeah, that's that's how it

(38:56):
used to work, that's what first passed the post. You'd
have more left leaning and more right leaning members of
each party.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
But clearly, I mean according to the survey, and we
can question the methodology and that's the right thing to do,
but clear there is a bit of a falling out
of love with democracy or clearly some issues within it
that men in particular are seeing.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah. Well this textass says who would everyone agree on
as this bene benevolent dictator? Maybe Mike Cosking or Judy Bailey.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Judy Bailey, yeah, mother of the Nation. At some stage.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Look, if we're even thinking about it. I'd like to
throw my hat in the ring. Definitely not benevolent dictator. Well,
I'm sort of a benevolent dictator of this show and
it seems to be going.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Quite benevolent is the right word there? Thank you very much,
really enjoyed that chat, So thank you to everyone who
gave us a buzz and sent in a text. But
coming up after two o'clock, we want to have a
chat about gold.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yes, so gold people are buying it up at the
moment with the uncertainty in the world, but does it
have any real value?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you're into the gold investments. We want
to hear from you after two o'clock. News, sport and
weather coming up. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very
very good afternoon to you. We'll see you on the other.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
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Speaker 3 (41:04):
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(41:25):
out for that which is coming up very very soon.
But right now, let's have a chat about gold. So
as the price of gold continues to hit New highs,
investors are being worn to carefully consider how much they
invest in that precious metal. So trade tariffs, war, economic uncertainty,
and volatile markets around the world have created a potent

(41:45):
cocktail of investor nervousness that has driven the so called
safe haven asset above three thousand dollars US eight.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
One hundred eighty ten eighty. Sell gold to us, not
literally sell gold to us, but sell the idea of
gold to us if you totally believe in it. Because
gold doesn't provide any income via dividends or interest, and
you know, owning the physical called metal it comes with
other costs such as storage and insurance. And look, if
you don't actually have your hands on the gold then

(42:17):
and it's across town, then you know, in the case
of some kind of terrible thing happening, would you even
be able to get your hands on it? Are you
sure that organization isn't going to disappear in the same
way that a bank might disappear? So how absolutely solid
is gold? It's obviously solid when you hold it as
a block or a bit squishy. It's a bit squishy.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
But even if you hoard it and things go bally
up in terms of societal carnage, what are you going
to do with that gold? You know, if things go
really really wrong and society crumbles, can you use that
gold to barter for things that you're going to need?
I just so, I mean, would you? It's a shiny
rock at that point.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Right, Yeah. But humans have a fascination with it and
we have for the very longest time. So even if
society does break down and is a far end.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
We're taking it to the extreme.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
We're doing a show of thought experiments here. But if
you take it to the society breaking down, we are
going to have to put some kind of monetary system
in place, aren't we. Whether it's shekels, tobacco, I don't know.
You know, even prisons have monetary systems. Yeah, very true,
So why wouldn't it be gold?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. I do wonder, and this is a question
to our listeners. I wonder if part of it is
after and this happened to my folks. They lost a
bit of money in one of the sheer market collapses.
I believe it was the Asian sheer market collapse, and
from that point forward, Dad always said, don't put your
money in shares. It really scared him. So I wonder

(43:51):
if that's a part of it that people who have
had those stock market skiers and lost money thought, bugger this,
I'm just going to go for gold because gold, to
me is a lot more safe.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Which crash was that one?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
That was the I believe the Asian crash that was
in the late seventies.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Right, there was a big crash in the in the
eighties that put a lot of people off stocks. The
country went crazy for stocks to stuff for the rogenomics times,
and that's pointed to a lot of the reason why
we are so obsessed with property in this country because
everyone was buying stocks and the country went absolutely crazy
for stocks. Yeah, and that blew up in our faces.

(44:27):
So maybe maybe that did also push people towards gold.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. The phone lines have lit up. If you
can't get through, keep trying. It is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
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Speaker 3 (44:50):
B news talks there b it is thirteen past two
and we're talking about gold.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
And I tell you what they say. We love gold.
Humans love gold. Where they certainly do because the lines
are packed on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and
so many texts are coming through. But keep trying because
we want to get through to We want to get
everyone's opinions out there.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. The phone lines a choker block, Luke,
how are you?

Speaker 8 (45:16):
Yeah, good fellows yourself?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Very good? I understand you love gold.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
I love god. I've had gold fever. I don't know
how many hours, hundreds of hours and rivers with a
pan glose boxes from mark one to Mark fifteen and
we got about an ounce, but we managed to make
our wedding rings. Wow, memor wife, So that was quite cool.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
That is so cool. So your wedding rings are made
out of gold that you've panned.

Speaker 8 (45:47):
Yeah, I got it out of the dirt and get it.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
And where'd you get it from? Where?

Speaker 6 (45:51):
Where?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Where was that dirt? What's what's as you're trying to
hold onto that secret location.

Speaker 8 (45:57):
Combination of the of the West Coast rivers. Yeah, down
the Southwestern and Wanaka, a few little spots on there.
We were talking about we're very small. We're just literally
chipping away having a bit of fun. You're outside doing
a job getting big loss impliers, and it's quite rewarding
when you find something and every little blake counts, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, So sorry because I think you said before, but
I just missed that. How long and how much panning
did you have to do to get the gold that
you got to make those wedding rings.

Speaker 8 (46:29):
Yeah, I think it worked out to be about one
hundred hours between two, so one hundred hours each, so
I think we worked it out. We were getting paid
about eight dollars forty an hour at the low end,
at the low end edinflation, and then now that we
might have doubled that. But this was one thing about

(46:50):
gold that I do like. We did actually invest in
gold as well when we're in Australia and we were
just sort of put a little bit away, a little
bit away and we got like eight ounce block of
gold physical, we had it in our hand. We went
to the person, bought it and took it home with us.
And now carry on luggage which was quite interesting. We

(47:14):
didn't have that. You had to declear precious metals, so
that was at interesting text.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, so how much of how much weight of gold
with that and how much value at the.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
Time, So that was like vain or just about about
ten thousand dollars right, and that was like the size
of a piece of chocolate, like the original Cabrey chocolate pieces.
It was tiny. That was quite good and we held

(47:48):
onto that for a few years that we we I
think we'd like doubled out money.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
It was crazy.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
It's pretty good. How does it? How does it work?
Sorry to jump in there, Luke. Do we still have
traditional gold claims in New Zealand or within reason? You
can pretty much pan wherever you like.

Speaker 8 (48:04):
No, you do have to have a claim if you're
using anything mechanical. If you've just got as far as
I'm aware, have you got a pan and a shovel,
you can, you know, but as soon as you get
a dredge you've got to have anpecial claim. And there
is still gold claims out there. There's people pulling a
lot of money out of the ground, still in small scale,

(48:27):
but just a lot of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
So look when it comes to gold, So you've panned
some gold, you've bought some gold. Do you believe it's
got an intrinsic value beyond because you know, as we've
been saying before, you can't eat it, and and you
know there's an argument it's not it could easily just
be worth nothing. It's our belief that it's worth something

(48:54):
is arguably all in our heads.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
Yeah. So I've also read the book about gold and silver.
Silver is the other one, which is to go hand
in hand. We didn't vest and silver as well. But
you need ten tons as much of it a lot heavy.
You're carrying the carrying luggage where we found out, Yes,
we so I read a book about it, Gold and
Silver investment something or other and we were sold down

(49:18):
the river. You know, we're like, right, let's to it.
And but again, like you say, what's intrinsic value? I
note they reckon is from every little phone, every thing,
it's very conductive. We came to the conclusion of and
this is.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Something something keeps something. Look, look there's there's something where
you're really clear and something where you're really not clear
on your phone.

Speaker 8 (49:46):
Phone. Yes, sorry, sorry, are we back?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
You'll be good now. So what have you doing Keep
doing what you're doing now, because we want to hear
what you've got to say.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
We came to the conclusion that this is, like I said,
a bit of a gag. Humans we've been put here's
a planet to find gold. Were smart after know how
to find it, but not small had enough to know
what to do with it. Yeah, one day someone's going
to come back from out of space harvest. We're just
storing it in their houses and so, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, there's theories. Yeah, I've heard that theory before. It's
a pretty amusing one that it's just been some aliens
came down here and they planted in this this insane
and illogical, absolute desire for gold. Yeah, absolutely love it.
And so and then they left us, and we've just
been mining it for them for the longest time with
that thought in their head. And then they'll come back

(50:42):
and they'll grab it off us, and then they'll fly
back into space and then, you know, thanks for doing
the work, probably like good on youse, guys, you've felt us,
and they'll be like suckers.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Luke, thank you very much, mate, I really appreciate you
giving us a buzz. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. How are you feeling
about gold? There are some cautious warnings about those who
go all in on gold, But how do you feel
about it? Is it a safe haven as some people say.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, that's right. Craig's Investment partners Mark Lister says, you
know it should be about ten percent of your portfolio folio,
but some people are up around twenty twenty five percent,
and he thinks that's too much. But do you love gold?
And if so, why and how's it working out for you?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on youth Talk said, be very.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Good afternoon to you twenty two past two, and we're
talking about gold on the back of an article in
the New Zealand Herald about why people should be a
little bit cautious if they're going all in on gold.
But love to hear your thoughts. It's often been taulted
as a safe haven when markets goes haywire. A couple
of texts guys, I invested into silver. It's used widely

(51:55):
in medical and electronics. Also a looming worldwide shortage, hugely
undervalued in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, I'll be interested to know what percentage of gold
is kept as an investment, you know, what percentage is
being used in electronics as a percentage of the gold
that we've got, because it's definitely you know, and as
someone rightly points out here, it's intrinsic value. As I
was saying, it doesn't have any intrinsic value, and that's

(52:23):
not true. It does as a conductor of energy and
electrical components. It does have a use.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, absolutely, But just another question, if you invest in
gold as and you don't buy the physical products, does
it exist somewhere that if you go and invest whatever
it is, ten percent of your portfolio into gold, and
you so choose you want to visit your little slice
of bullion.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Is that how it works?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, it has to do, so it would be stored somewhere, right, Yeah,
And you're a little part of gold.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
You want it, you want to do it? You do
it with the mint, mate, mint, it's mint.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
But you know, there are, of course some stores kept
in ice cream containers buried under people's garages. Yes, all
over New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
No doubt about that. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call Tony. How are you.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Good?

Speaker 18 (53:10):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (53:10):
And you very good? You've been into gold for fifteen
or so years, I believe.

Speaker 19 (53:16):
Yeah, yeah, we got into it. My son actually got
me intoed and he did quite a bit knowledge on it,
and I sort of got on the same coattails as
what he did and whatever. And it's turned out quite
good because when we bought it was about fifteen hundred
bucks an ounce, and now it's around about five thousand

(53:39):
and two hundred, so it's like but what we did
was we could foresee what was going to happen. It's
kind of a worldwide shortage. And you, like Tyler, you
were saying you should go for physical gold, not certified,
because you don't if anything turns to crap you've got

(54:02):
you have to go and get that. And whether it's
been nationally made is another thing, you know, So I
would go, always go for physical. And what we did
was we went small. We actually went we bought ounces
to start with, and then we downgraded, well upgraded or

(54:24):
what do you like to ten ounces so that they
come affordable to people opposed to buy. And you know,
like the five grand, which is a lot of money
for one, whereas you get a tenth of that. But
they also you get premiums for those smaller amounts than
you do for they get it bigger amounts as well,

(54:45):
so you get a real good premium for the lower sizes.

Speaker 8 (54:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Right, And so Tony, did you you're talking about the
physical goal? Was this goal that you purchased from a
New Zealand producer or did you go internationally?

Speaker 19 (55:00):
I bought it locally, locally here in Auckland. Just stuff
they've been traded, you know, a but when no one
sort of crap about cold back then you struggle to
get those sort of things. Now, I think there's almost
waiting list for you know, you've got to pay a
premium to get gold into the country now, and there's

(55:23):
not a lot of it available because of the worldwide demand. Yeah,
I think they said that there's only three percent of
the world's population have actually got gold, and like of
that doubled, you know, your supply and demand goes up.
So yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Sorry, Tony, do you having gold does that make you
feel more secure?

Speaker 20 (55:51):
Well?

Speaker 19 (55:51):
I bought it. The reason I bought it was for
I'm now semi retired or whatever, and like I thought,
like cash in the tenth of an ounce of I
wanted to upgrade from my bentson and whatever and that
you know, things got tough or whatever you can get
by or whatever. But I haven't had to do that

(56:12):
so far. So you could ride the wave as long
as you can, can you yep?

Speaker 9 (56:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Very true.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Yeah, And Tony, you don't I take it that. Have
you diversified or is it pretty much all in gold?

Speaker 19 (56:26):
I've got a I haven't got a lot invest And
to be fair, I believe in doing things that you
get the return from. We haven't got you know, you're
not got outside influences where things can go wrong. So
I'm a believer in doing things yourself.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Yep, fair enough too.

Speaker 19 (56:46):
But yeah, yeah, but Tony, thank.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
You very much. Very interesting. Yeah, it sounds like the
physical gold is the way to go, and I think
most of these guys would do that if you invest
in it.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Well, the great thing about gold, well, the interesting one
of the interesting things about gold is how thin you
can pound it. So you know, when you talk about
gold being using electronics, you can really hammering down to
be so very very thin. Yeah, I mean you probably
remember those stories the used to have of serving you know,

(57:18):
desserts and really stupidly fancy restaurants. Well, I mean it's
pretty ghost, isn't it. But well you'd have gold, like
a slither of gold on top of gold stream.

Speaker 15 (57:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, Approximately eleven percent of all gold produced is used
in industry at this stage. Eleven percent of that. Yeah,
it's a good chunk. But there's there's quite a lot
of gold and abandoned laptops and abandoned phones. You know,
there's a bit of gold that you could get there,
you could, you'd mind that. Hey, but I've got a question, okay, okay,

(57:48):
of all the gold that has been pulled out of
the ground produced in all of humanity, how many Olympic
sized swimming pools would that fell?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
So all the gold, that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Ever produced by humans, how many Olympic swimming pools roughly
would it fill?

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Speaker 3 (59:37):
Thank you very much, Wendy and having a great discussion
about gold there. This is based on a story out
of the New Zealand Herald about some cautions if you're
going all in on investing in gold. But it's certainly
become very popular in the last few years, and we
know that the price of gold has skyrocketed in the
last three or four years.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, we absolutely love gold humans, but it doesn't provide
a dividend or interest in owning the physical metal comes
with other costs such as storage and insurance. But a
before the Yews, I asked the question, how many Olympic
swing pools full of gold have humans produced? And when
I say produced this, you know I've got a text
here saying humans have produced no gold. I get that

(01:00:18):
alchemy wasn't a thing. We haven't actually produced any gold,
but we have. We have mine gold, We've processed gold.
How much gold have we got currently? So there's one
hundred and eighty seven thousand metric tons, there's two hundred
and forty four thousand metric tons of gold one hundred
and eighty seven metric tons historically produced plus current underground

(01:00:41):
re serves of fifty seven metric tons. Okay, so how
many swiming pools were that fill?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I don't want to say my answer anymore. You're gonna
laugh at.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Me, oh will Yeah, one thousand. There, I told you
a thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Yeah, well, I mean then you started doing the calculations.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
This person says five thousand, six hundred and eighty. This
person says, Another person says one thousand Olympic pl swinging pools.
This person says five hundred, This person says eighty. The
pusiness is easily less than one. Lessen one, lessen one,
lessen one, listen one. Well, the correct answer is just
under four Olympic sized swimming pools. So, and all the

(01:01:21):
history of all the gold would pull out of the grounds,
through all the wars that have been fought, and all
the talk and all the glittering in our eyes, yeah,
and all the murders and death, it's less than four
Olympic sized swimming pools. Yeah, with a full of gold.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
That is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I mean, to be fair, it is heavy, Yeah, it
is heavy stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
But that's why just having one of those bullions, yeah,
would be a great thing. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call, But you reckon
it's a great investment.

Speaker 15 (01:01:52):
My My point is, I.

Speaker 20 (01:01:54):
Think it's really really good having a possessed if you
can help get your hold onto a physical goal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Have you have you got? Where do you keep your goal?
Where is your goal that you own stored.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Like we do have.

Speaker 20 (01:02:08):
I gonna tell you guys, just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Give us the GPS location.

Speaker 20 (01:02:18):
Yeah, yeah, history. I don't think gold price ever gone
down because well the population you know, China and India,
if it ever goes down, they're gonna buy and it's
gonna go up again.

Speaker 15 (01:02:33):
M hm.

Speaker 20 (01:02:34):
And and the other is that a lot of Federal
Reserve and the London securities they have heaps and heaps
of goals sitting in the New York and somewhere there
by Stoke Exchange. They got their volt big big wolves there.
So whenever you know the old Yeah, it's a bit

(01:02:58):
a commercial thing in their point that whenever the prize
goes down, they start selling their bond gold bonds. But
that's how the gun.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Yeah, thanks for you cool, but just on that point
that golden never goes down. There, there's categorically not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
It definitely fluctuates.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yeah, yeah, and I see that there was a quite
a big dip in twenty twelve. And yeah, it goes
up and down all the time, but steadily over certainly
over the last five years, has been going up quite significantly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Guys, easy answer. If you had a loaf of bread
or a bar of gold at the end of the world,
it's easy to see what you would choose, unless you're
an idiot. Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, right
now you could have. You know, if someone offered you
a thousand dollars or a loaf of bread, you know
you would keep the gold if the gold could be

(01:03:54):
used to buy other products. That's how our currency works,
and lots of bread and gold has been used as
a currency for a very long time for that reason.
I mean, you can't eat money, No, you can't. You
can't eat dollar. That's not a thing exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Having gold is crazy. You dig it out of the
ground and then store it in a safe gives no joy.
And if the world got that bad, would you hand
over a lump of gold for a loaf of bread.
If things get real bad, the precious thing will be water.
Betty Yeah, good text yep spot on, Betty. Well, if
you watch post of pop, if you watch post apocalypse
movies like the Mad Max series, then generally the resource

(01:04:39):
everyone's finding for is oil.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Yeah, gasoline, that's what we want. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. See number to call it is twenty two to.

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Speaker 6 (01:05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
This text A nine two nine two says we had
a lot of gold in the nineties. We kept it
in socks in the garden. Luckily we knew and remembered
where it was, no insurance, no security costs either. In
socks in the garden. I'd put it in something else
just so that's just in socks in the garden.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
And the fact they almost forgot about it. If you've
got gold ingots in the garden, I'm not forgetting about that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I saw Dame LESA Carrington's gold medals and she was
keeping them all in a pillar case.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
So the egg there's a bit of gold on that.
So a lot of people have been asking when did
gold first become valuable. They've got evidence of people desiring
gold since as far back as three thy one hundred
BC in Egypt. Wow, so it goes back a long way.
I love of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
So by that theory that we heard before, that's when
the aliens came down and they said, you will now
love gold humans, and you will focus a lot of
your resources on digging up gold and put that into
our minds. And we keep doing that forever, and then
they're going to come back and grab that gold off us.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
There's something deep about it and it. I mean, we're
pretty much just met pies, aren't we. That we like shiny,
whether it's gold, or diamonds. Guys, if you have one
million dollars in cash and a million dollars worth of
gold in your house and your house burns down, your
catch is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Worthless, but you still have gold. Yeah, that's a good point,
that's true. Yeah, the cash, I'll tell you what cash
does burn. Yeah, we've seen it. I burn cash every day. Jason,
welcome the show.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
Yeah, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
You're not quite wrong or we're having with Jason? Just
told there mate, we're having a terrible time with phones today.
Just take a step to the left and right and
keep chatting with us. Hopefully that stabilizes.

Speaker 8 (01:06:54):
Yeah, yeah, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Yep, you good, yep, perfect, right. Yeah, so put you
back to Andrew. Andrew, can you just have a chat
to Jason's if we can sort out their phone line please.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, because we'd love to hear what you have to say. Jason, loke.
You want to talk about the intrinsic value of gold?

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
Yeah, yeah, it goes We sort of touched on it before.
It goes back to when like gold was the original
money back in the day, and it has an intrinsic
value in that it doesn't disappear, it's not back then
you're looking at trading in various things. You can like
apple's would be a currency, but they don't last very long.

Speaker 15 (01:07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
So gold, you can heat it and call it as
many times as you want. Its molecular structure doesn't change
when it goes through that process, when it's melted down
and called again, it doesn't corrode away in the natural
sort of environment. There's all those sorts of things that
that back then were an issue around what you're trading with,

(01:07:58):
and gold was one of the things that they discovered
that was great because it was always around.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Yeah, I was reading this. I saw this interesting documentary,
Luke on early days of America, you know, the US,
after they that you know, first Constitution came in, they
were running in parts of the country a tobacco tobacco
as as currency problem. The problem with that is you,
as you say, gold stays the same, but you can

(01:08:25):
sell tobacco and sell it back and then the person
will give you inferior tobacco, you know, whereas gold you
can see how many carrots it is, it doesn't become
an inferior product product you can easily you can easily
check on that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:37):
Yeah, the interesting things as countries have gone away from
a gold back currency. It was Maynard Kings who who
was the one of the main guys behind Kenesian economic
sort of system slash theory. He said that if you
go away from a gold back currency, you have to
be very very careful with what you do. You have

(01:08:59):
to have the right minds driving your economy, or you're
reserved bank for example, because the interests you don't have
that steady base behind the currency. You have a little
more than then people's minds in their hands moving interest rates,
et cetera. And you could argue that that the situation

(01:09:22):
New Zealand's and now would perhaps not be quite as
bad if you had a base level to work from
rather than just reserve bank governors.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Does that limit growth though? If you know that growth
can only be how much gold you can actually get
hold of as a country, it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
Could it. It means your, yeah, your economy has to
move within I guess closer boundaries. So yeah, yes, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yes, yes to know, because I mean that's the value
you know, the value of your dollar goes goes.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
Up and down, So yeah, I mean the converse to
that is that countries can then find themselves in and
you know, up the creek, so to speak, because because
they've printed so much money and they have nothing behind it,
and yes, the price can plummet. In the late nineties

(01:10:24):
mid nineties, Japan dumped the whole heap of money, a
whole heap of gold on the market when their economy
fell into trouble, and that pushed the price right down
and it's climbed back obviously since then. But all it
would take is a reasonable sized country with a good
holding to find themselves and economic strife dump their stores

(01:10:47):
on the market. And yeah, thanks so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Much for you call, Luke. Yeah. And the other massive
advantage of gold, of course, is that are a gold
nugget of As I was saying before, five millimeters can
be hammered out into gold foil of you know, half
a meter squared.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
That's impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
So that's something it can do, and that's why you
can get gold plated watches.

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with had about gold and turns out a lot of
fans about investing in gold, guys, and interesting watching gold training.
Smuggling is a four parts gold mafia. It's an Al
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Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Oh yeah, I check that. Hey, guys, unless you have
physical possession of gold, you will lose it if something
goes bad with the company. It's happened a number of
times and even in New Zealand from Mark. Yeah, I mean, look,
I'm not I don't have any gold, but I quite
like the idea of actually if I did, actually physically
owning it and burying it and having a map. Yeah,

(01:14:35):
it'll be something nice about that. I like that idea
about it because you know, you definitely want to if
you're going to invest in gold, you definitely want to
invest in a very stable and respectable institution.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Where would you bury it me if I was going
to bear it? Yeah? Underneath the third for jo a
tree out the front of my house and Mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Noted noted the sticks as Here's guys, gold off and
underperforms stocks and bonds over the long term, offers no
income like dividends or interest like you said, Matt, and
its price can be very volatile and speaktive For most
every day investors focused on growth and income, Diversified investments
are generally more suitable. Gold can be a reasonable investment

(01:15:16):
for the average person in specific circumstances, primarily as a
diversification tool and a hedge against certain economic conditions, rather
than a primary growth engine for their portfolio. Was that
written by chet Gipt.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, that's going to plant our
subject that we're talking about in the next hour. This
sextasy has moved my kiwisver to a physically goldback ETF
about two years ago. You do the math, Sam, Yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
I will do the math absolutely, guys. Gold I grew
up in a private, family owned gold claim. I played
with gold after school, melted gold into bars for an
after school job, and they would keep my hands warm
on my walk back from the workshop. We had jars
of nuggets hidden in the family home. I now have

(01:16:02):
no respect nor excitement for the metal. When I look
at it now. It's funny how it has no value
on my personal eyes. I suppose I just became numb
to the precious, valuable metal. Anyway, just my thoughts while
I listened.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, well that goes to it, you know, because I
mean it arguably has no intrinsic value. I mean it
does have, you know, it has a lot of the value.
There is use of it now electronics, as we've talked,
but a lot of it as a social construction. We
all agree that it is valuable now and will be
valued valuable in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Yeah, absolutely right, good discussion coming up after three o'clock.
Let's have a chat about robots. On the back of
Norwegian robotics startup x or one x rather, they plan
to start early tests of this humanoid robot they're calling
the O Grammar, which they will get into a few
hundred or a few thousand homes.

Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
So, if you've seen this robot, it's got the friendly faces,
and it's got kind of a friendly face, just some
graphics on it, but it's also wearing sort of a
wooly cardigan all the way down and in your house
vacuuming and in your house doing the laundry. But would
you want a robot living in your house? It's coming,
it's powered by AI. Maybe it's five years, maybe it's

(01:17:11):
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But do we need them and do we want them?

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Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
We'll get idea. Welcome back into the show seven past
three and this is going to be a great discussion.
We want to have a chat about robots in the
family home. This is on the back of a Norwegian
robotics startup. They call themselves one X. They plan to
start early test of what is a humanoid robot. They
call it neo Gamma getting into people's homes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Yeah, if you've seen these robots, you should look it
up online. Look up Neogamma. So they're kind of wearing
these fabric shirts. They've got a face that is digital
with the smiley face on it. But they're you know,
they're human sized and walk around, can do some vacuumen
might be able to do your laundry. It's still a
long way away from what you see in the likes

(01:19:48):
of I Robot. They are AI powered with because chet
GBT is in the business with one X and you know,
the plan is to bootstrap it up because they've got
to be in houses to test it. So these are
the first robots. Really. What's interesting about it is their
first robots, domestic robots that are going to be tested

(01:20:08):
outside of the lab. And you've probably watched the Boston
Dynamics videos out there, absolutely terrifying. They build these robots.
They can do parkrps. Now you've got the terrifying dog
robots and if you've seen the Black Mirror episode, you know,
put a gun on the top of one of those
and they're pretty terrifying, hunting you down. For some reason,
the people in Boston Dynamics, they seem to bully the robots,
which I don't like. They might remember that yet they're

(01:20:31):
always trying to kick them over and see if they
can stand up. But they are progressing really, really rapidly.
These one X robots are the neogamma. It makes about that.
In the past they've been very very noisy, these robots,
but now they're sort of buzz around the same volume
as a fridge. And look, if you actually look under

(01:20:54):
the hood of these robots, they are having to have
quite a bit of human support behind the behind them.
And actually, if you are one of the one thousand
or so people that are going to get these in
their houses at any point, the scientists that doing the
test will be able to come online and hear and
see what you're doing because they can look out of
the robot to do their tests. And there's some things

(01:21:15):
these robots can't do with a little without help. But
they're going to get As we know with technology, it
just gets better and better and better and faster and
faster and faster, and with AI on the case to
solve certain certain problems that these robots, before you know it,
are going to be in people's houses. The question is
are you excited about an AI robot living in your house?

(01:21:37):
Are you worried about it? Do you see the dangerous
and are we just crazy to be making these robots?
Are we just replacing ourselves when we do this? And
why do we need them? Why do we need robots
in our house? I mean, Elon Musk has pointed out
it's going to be a trillion, multi trillion dollar industry
when it gets firing up. There's the Tesla bots that

(01:22:00):
have been demonstrated recently, although there was a little bit
of as I say, remote control, remote controlling by human
involved in that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
But it's coming, and it's coming fast, no doubt about it.
And as one X said, it's and as you mentioned,
it's in the early stages, but it will not be
far away when these sort of products will be available
to purchase for you and I. And arguably there's already
considerable AI in a lot of people's homes. There are
some types of robotics in people's homes. I look at

(01:22:32):
that humanoid robot and I think step too far. I
can have a roomber, that's all right. I can have Alexa,
she's okay. But when it looks and walks and maybe
talks like me, I don't know if I can trust you,
which is kind of a weird thing to say. I mean,
there's no real difference in terms of that robot versus

(01:22:53):
the roomba or alixa, apart from it's human shaped and
has the potential to do damage.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yeah, well, I mean, I mean that's a huge difference.
Right there. What you're describing as a massive difference. You've
got another being living in your house. And look, AI
isn't well as far as I know, sentient yet, we
haven't had the singularity yet, but I believe I think
that's coming. And you know what, when and as these

(01:23:20):
robots get stronger than us, faster than us, cleverer than us,
operating potentially purely in logic, there could be a situation
where the robot goes, okay, laundry. My job is to
make sure that the laundry is clean. What's stopping the
laundry being clean the humans. The humans are soiling the laundry. Okay,

(01:23:42):
So how do we solve this problem? I'll just break
the necks of the humans and then the laundry system
we're running this house will be one hundred percent officient.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Makes sense? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do
you feel about robots being in your home and the
rise of AI use in the home itself? Love to
hear from you and see your point a little bit
earlier in the show, that laziness, too much convenience and
we are losing the essence of what makes us humans
and it's actually good for us, good for our brains,

(01:24:11):
and good for us as human beings to actually do
some of these jobs ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Well as Trish just texted and guys, I just looked
up those stupid robots doing housework and making coffee. How ridiculous.
Another way to make people lazier. Best we start the
obesity fund now, focus not on I kind of I
kind of agree with you. Is our household sures that bad?

(01:24:34):
But then again, if you could completely trust a robot,
and we've got these situations now where people the economy
is such that both mum and dad have to work,
and yet daycare is so expensive, But if you could
trust a robot nanny to look after your kids when
you're at work, you know, maybe that would be a fantastic,
fantastic thing. Although I don't know what the ramifications are

(01:24:57):
of having a baby brought up by a robot, but.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
And look if that is where it gets to, and
you can actually, you know, save a bit of time
by having a robot look after to your child where
you go to work. Get that. But in general society,
when we've had these AI or robots help us out
with jobs, what have we done with the time that
we've saved. I would argue we have not been productive
with that time that these technologies have saved us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
All we do is just go on social medium WIKH. Yeah,
I mean that's the nightmare of what it would be.
While a robot is bringing up your kids and a
robot is doing the laundry and cooking and bringing you
coffee and vacuuming. What are you doing just strolling a
doom scrolling techtoc or raising your brain exactly? Is that

(01:25:44):
what you're doing? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Maybe maybe, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How do
you feel about the potential of having robots in your home?
And if you've got AI technology in your home, love
to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
What's the appeal? Does it save you a lot of time?
Is highly convenient? Or a starting to push back against
those technologies?

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Yeah, and Mark, I'm not going to read you what
you want to do with a robot out disgusting. Yeah, comes, No,
that's not what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Clean all right, fourteen past three, good afternoon, and we're
talking about the increases of well their progress and technology
when it comes to robotics. That on the back of
this new humanoid robot called Neogamma, which will be in
the trial phase and thousands of homes by the end
of the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Yeah, and they're obviously seen as a future here because
this company that's doing it one ex putting them into
several hundred to one thousand homes. These robots domestic robots,
I guess you'd call them. The company's just been valued
at forty billion dollars, So.

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, James your thought on robots in the house.

Speaker 18 (01:26:56):
It wouldn't be too bad. I was just thinking, that's
so those sort of robots they're talking about that with
that what is it that one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Neogamma, Yeah, Gamma.

Speaker 18 (01:27:10):
Robots like that would perhaps actually be a good idea
for say, individuals who say live alone, or are disabled
or you know, or elderly, you know, just to get
whereas these days you have you can, you know, have
a robot in the place who could just keep an

(01:27:32):
eye on you and do things that you as a
disabled or an elderly or you know, a sort of
person that can't do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
James, if you had a robot like that would you
want it to look humanoid or be just shaped in
a functional the most functional way it can be, because arguably,
you know, humanoid shape isn't isn't the best one to
do all those functions domestically. Do you think the humanoid
shape is important?

Speaker 18 (01:28:01):
I think so. It doesn't have to be entirey looking
like a human. I mean, I'm more along the lines
of those robots in the one that Will Smith's I robot,
the original ones. A lot of people get their wrong
impression of that, and I can understand, you know, where

(01:28:24):
people will be concerned about the robot revolution. You know,
we've certainly done a few movies and series about that
sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
You know, do you have any concerns about that AI
in general? But AI that is then, you know, operating
within a humanoid robot that's potentially faster, stronger than a
human being.

Speaker 18 (01:28:52):
There is always a risk to anything new or something
like that, and I think the best thing we can
do is perhaps learn from what the kind of series
and programs that have done that and perhaps not take
it so far. I mean, I've always been a believe

(01:29:14):
in isa as three laws of robotics.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Yeah, I was just going to talk about that. Speaking
of I Robot the movie, of course, the book was
written by Isaac Avmos. So they are a robot may
not endure a human being or through an action, allow
a human being to come to harm. So the idea
was that these three laws of robotics would be hardwired

(01:29:38):
into any robot that was built. This was his suggestion.
A robot must obey the orders given by human beings,
except where such orders would conflict with the first law.
And three, a robot must protect its own existence as
long as such protection does not conflict with the first
or second law. So under that, under those you know laws,

(01:29:58):
if they were hardwired, then the robot could never harm you.
But you know, I've read I've read so many of
these books by Osagaznov, and he's written so many short stories,
and there's always edge cases on these robots on following
those laws, and still and then they still managed to
do some sort of harm.

Speaker 18 (01:30:15):
Yeah, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. But certainly I'm certainly not
in the in the I'm certainly not in the by
your command sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Any cylons in your house, James, have any just.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Exactly just on the AI question, do you have any
concerns about that information that is likely being collected by
those companies. Does that consume you at all?

Speaker 18 (01:30:45):
Yeah, I mean they can claim all the security. There
is always a concern with that because even I think
even the best security systems in the world, as we've
sort of found out over the years, can be hacked,
you know, and that information can be accessed by those

(01:31:06):
and they have intentional harm. Is in case of making
sure that the security is up to date and is
you know, as solid as you can make it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, I thank you so much for your call, James.
Would you get undressed in front of one of these robots? No,
too freaky, any right, I wouldn't mind that getting in
dressed in front of the wall. Well I wouldn't, you know.
I wouldn't do it for CAXX. I'm just saying like,
if I had to, then I wouldn't have a problem
with it. Well, in these trials that Neogamma are doing,
they're saying that their scientists can come online with the

(01:31:39):
cameras and listen at any time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Okay, well they changes again, you don't know if.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
It's just the robot watching all the scientists in the
other room.

Speaker 22 (01:31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Would you have a humanoid
robot in your house? The technology is fast coming on
the back of this Neo Gamma, which will be in
a few thousand homes in the US by the end
of twenty twenty five. Is that a step too far?

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Are you excited about it or are you terrified about it?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Good afternoon. We're talking about the advancement of robotics. There
is a humanoid robot called Neo Gamma. It's in the
trial stages but will be in a few thousand homes
by the end of this year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Yeah, check it out. Have a look at this robot.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
You know, a few people to bring up I robot
in those movies and how they've been depicted, And I
wonder if science fiction then influences the way things go
because people grow up with an interest in robots because
they saw them in sci fi, and then they make
them like they saw them. Because these robots that they're
putting into homes do look a lot like the robots
from I Robots now very very similar the Will Smith movie.

(01:32:59):
But yeah, how do you feel about it? Are you
terrified about robots? Are we stupid to be going so
hard to replace ourselves? This is interesting text here. Most
future robots will be human killing military machines as part
of armies. So I'm afraid the three laws of robotics
won't work. Yeah, I mean that's the real concern. So
Isaac Asimov came up with those three laws of robotics.

(01:33:20):
A robot may not injure a human being or through
an action, allow a human being to come to harm,
as one of the robotic laws that you know he
came up with in sci fi. Yeah, and people hope
they'd be put into robots, but you might put them
into your robots in the New Zealand robots if we
get around to buy them, build them, and if there
are anything like you know, a Trekker, the only car
we manufacture, they wouldn't be the greatest robots in the world.

(01:33:42):
But you know, a foreign power isn't going to do that. No,
you know, if you're replacing your army with robots, you're
not going to put that A robot may not injure
a human being or through an action, allow a human
being to come to harm. You're going to put the
opposite kill everyone on the opposition exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Your thoughts on domestic robots?

Speaker 23 (01:34:05):
How's it going?

Speaker 15 (01:34:05):
God?

Speaker 9 (01:34:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Yeah, how are you?

Speaker 15 (01:34:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:34:08):
You're not bad? Hey, interesting subject here. I was just
thinking about all the technology up to date, and when
we look at humanity, I think it's all based on convenience,
and I'm pretty scared around these robots that are developed now.
I mean it won't happen in our lifetime. By that,
I mean that, you know, once the moment they start

(01:34:30):
thinking for themselves, I think we're we're sort of like
hitting that danger end of society and humanity, aren't we.
So it's pretty scary. As I say, it won't happen
in our lifetime, but I'm pretty convinced that it will happen.
I mean, they look lifelike, don't they, And to have
one in your house to begin with, and you might
get used to it, but I think it's something scary

(01:34:52):
and something to consider all our children in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Well, you say it won't happen in our lifetime, but
I'm not so sure. I think, you know, AI is
now involved in solving equations much faster than and problem
solving much faster than we were. If you look at
what Boston Dynamics is doing and these people at X
one are doing. Their mobility is changing so fast, so

(01:35:19):
if you're if you're getting it. And at the same time,
as you know, battery efficiency is increasing. So I don't know.
I think within ten years we may well be having
you know, robots and a lot of homes.

Speaker 15 (01:35:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:35:33):
Sure, it's still pretty scary to think about it. I mean,
there was a comment made earlier that you know, would
you mind having one of these robots we'll golf and
my children. My answer to that is quite simple no,
And then it's not great. And then when you have them,
like then you turn around and you and they're driving
your children to school. That kind of thing scares me.

(01:35:54):
And I think we just need to really keep in
touch with the humanity sides of things. So you know,
we're in this era where are knocking on the door
where the AI is sort of like I guess perhaps
there is a match of convenience for everyone, but it's
something really scary into consider.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, thanks for your call, Shane. Sounds like robots slavery
distant robot relatives will be out for revenge.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Yeah, quite possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Well, I definitely see that with Boston Dynamics, because you know,
when as they're testing the robots to see if they
can remain standing up, then you've got these scientists kicking
them over.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Whacking them with baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
It's actually pretty disturbing to watch because you can't help.
Because the way we are humans, we apply empathy to
you know, most things, but we definitely apply a lot
of empathy to things that are human shaped. So watching
that it's quite it's quite confronting.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Just the Shane's point. And I'll get a bit of
pushback for this, and that's fine. But we used to
have Elixa in the home Amazon Alixa, and I unplugged it,
got rid of it. And the reason I did that,
it just creeped me out a little bit too much.
It was kind of useful for you know, if you
wanted to know what the weather was doing, if you
wanted a recent beat, all those sort of things. I

(01:37:09):
get it, But the fact that it was just this
sorttle robot brain sitting in the corner of the kitchen
giving me whatever answer I wanted, just didn't sit right
with me, just felt a bit weird. Mats that I
was a weirdo.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
But you are a weirdo, and you're sort of a
half mans because you also unplug things when you leave
the house, don't you one of them? And you don't
like to leave things charging because you're worried about the
batteries exactly, And you're just sort of a terrified sort
of individual. So don't I look, But look, it's not
just you. So I put I've got Alexa.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
In every room in my house, right, crazy, that's crazy with.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Cameras everywhere every year where you go. But then I
noticed one of my sons kept unplugging it and putting
his elect the one with the camera down. Ye smart,
smart boy, unplugging it and putting it face down. Why
do you keep doing that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
He's a spot Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number of call. How do you feel about
the advancement of robotic Would you have a humanoid robot
in your house? Or indeed are you all in on
some of these AI advancements that we have, like Alixa,
the likes of Rumba, the robotic law mower, one hundred
and eighty ten ages and number cour it is twenty

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Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Thank you very much. Wendy, and we are talking about
the advancement of robotics. There is a robot called Neogamma.
You can see the video of Neogamma that will be
in a few thousand homes by the end of this year.
It is a humanoid robot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Yeah, that's right. Domestic robot does the laundry, brings you
a cup of coffee, does some vacuum. Mean it's currently
got some sort of uteroat control access from scientist, but
these are the first ones outside of labs. It's AI powered,
it's got open AI in its brain, so it is coming.

(01:40:19):
Domestic robots are coming. But this text from Cam is
thank you for this text. Cam. Hey, guys could you
ask the listeners or yourselves, for what reason would anyone
want an AI robot in their house? What is the purpose? Well,
take it away. We had a few people that have
texted through and we had a call around, you know,
looking after the elderly or the disabled, people that can't

(01:40:42):
do things anymore. There's also people that are lonely. So
maybe a robot could be a companion.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
I mean that's slightly terrifying idea. I mean, would you, Tyler,
would you marry a robot if it was really good looking?

Speaker 18 (01:40:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Big question?

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Marry a robot? Yeah? No, you've seen that movie X Machiner.
That was a great movie. By the way, have you
seen that movie Her? No, it's a fantastic movie. Sclet
Johnson's the voice of an operating system, so Yaquin Phoenix
and the movie just falls in love with the operating system.
And you know, we had a caller before that was
talking about, you know, the robots duplicating themselves and such

(01:41:21):
an and the thing is, and you know, the physical
form of the robots. It's almost more terrifying that AI
is only existing online because it can just duplicate itself
many many times. And that's what happens with her. He
thinks he's in love with her, but her can be
talking to fourth four million people at the same time

(01:41:41):
because it's so so powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
That's the future.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
two call Ride your thoughts on domestic robots?

Speaker 8 (01:41:51):
Good lads, Well, first thing I'll say is do Android's
dream of electric sheet.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Yeah, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 8 (01:41:58):
I'll scope that site and yeah, and I'm violin, you know.

Speaker 17 (01:42:02):
Then he's good and man and everything.

Speaker 22 (01:42:03):
Let's face it, that's the nature of things.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
But you know, the.

Speaker 9 (01:42:10):
It's Yeah, I think it's good.

Speaker 22 (01:42:13):
Like the few people have said, you know, like disabled people.

Speaker 15 (01:42:17):
I don't know about lonely people.

Speaker 8 (01:42:19):
That could be a bit sort of problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
But there's a good use for this stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:42:24):
But also as we know about the planet and humans
and you know non humans now, but you know it's
going to be Yeah, like one guy said, I think
eventually it'll be like Blade Runner, you know. Okay, Dick,
you know the novelist you guys have heard of him

(01:42:44):
mentioned as yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I've just gone back
to short stories and I read no, I've read all
of this stuff, and I mean basically his ideas were
the I mean you mentioned empathy. You know, his big
philosophical fixations were.

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
What is real and what is human?

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
What there's this empathy?

Speaker 23 (01:43:02):
And you know he did that.

Speaker 22 (01:43:04):
I think Man in the High Castle was done I
think as a yeah, a story on TV. But then again,
things like what was it called Black Box or whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
You know, the TV series, Yeah, yeah, Black Mello, the
Charlie Brooker Murray Black Murray.

Speaker 22 (01:43:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure that's all
that sort of stuff's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Yeah, yeah, are you talking about that particular episode right?
Are you talking about that particular episode that freaked me
out which had the robotic dog that was very similar
to the Boston Dynamics dogs. But yeah, it looks like, yeah,
just hunting, hunting and hunting and hunting a human with
that gun on its back, and it's that that robot
was so relentless and yeah, and you.

Speaker 22 (01:43:49):
Can imagine that and nowadays, when you look at that
sort of scenario and say, oh, yeah that's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
Yeah, is it going to happen?

Speaker 22 (01:43:56):
It's not just a fantasy, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Yeah, speaking of you know, do Andrew's dream of electric seat.
Did you see the sequel to Blade Runner Blade Runner
twenty forty two.

Speaker 9 (01:44:07):
I did watch it, but to be honest, I wasn't
that impressed.

Speaker 6 (01:44:10):
But I shouldn't really.

Speaker 22 (01:44:11):
Go back to it because I don't think I was
really in the frame of reference to to watch it
at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Yeah, I think it's absolutely brilliant. I mean, I love
the original, but Ryan Gosling and Harrison of Ford returns
in it. But it's just the most beautifully shot maybe.

Speaker 22 (01:44:29):
Yeah, thank you very much, because yeah, I'll look into
that tonight.

Speaker 16 (01:44:33):
That's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Yeah, blade Runner twenty.

Speaker 11 (01:44:38):
Love.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
I'll tell you what great great.

Speaker 22 (01:44:39):
Discussion this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
You're a good man, Ron, Yeah, thank you. Where would
you draw the line, though, I mean, whether or not
you'd have this humanoid robot in your home? Clearly there
is technology there that is very useful for modern life,
and you would argue that that would be robotics that
whether it's a rumor or whether it is the likes
of Yeah Alixa, surely. I mean, is there a line,

(01:45:01):
is what I'm asking? Or do we just slowly creep
further and further to the point where a lot of
people are pushing back to the human wild robot. But
we may get to a place in ten years time
where it's not that weird, it's not that weird, and
a lot of people will start having them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Yeah, as this text of Mike says, I hope that
lady complaining about the robot still takes her clothes down
to the river and beats them with the rock rather
than using a washing machine. This is just progress. But
I guess you sort of raise another question because if
you've got a Lexa in every room like I do,
and you've got a washing machine or a system that
can just you know, like it's a rumba type things

(01:45:37):
takes the stuff to the washing machine, do you need
a humanoid in one place? I mean, do you have
a just I mean, you've got a dishwasher there, you know,
you've got a washing machine, You've got Alexa, you've got
Ai in every room. You know, why does it have
to be humanoid?

Speaker 15 (01:45:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Exactly?

Speaker 6 (01:45:53):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
That's the one stop shop?

Speaker 6 (01:45:55):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Wasn't it that this wee neogamma can do everything?

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Yeah, but it's just something strange about humans that we
I don't know if it's the most practical way to
have it but you know, Elon Musk was talking about
the trillions of dollars that are they're going to be
earned by these robots going forward. And of course, you
know got robots and factories, We've got robots everywhere. But
the need and the desire for some reason that humans

(01:46:18):
have to have it almost it's almost like a perverse
desire to replace ourselves.

Speaker 15 (01:46:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
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to call. I'd love to hear your thoughts. It is
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Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
News Talk said, be good afternoon. It is sixteen to four,
and we're talking about the advancement of robotics. There is
a humanoid robot that looks pretty incredible. You can see
a video of it called Neo Gamma.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Yeah, it's wearing clothes and it's got a face, it's
got hands and legs, and it can do your your vacuuming,
and I'll bring your coffee and we'll do your laundry. Allegedly,
I mean, I think it's good chance that when they're
not filming, it just falls down the stairs. But it's
AI powered and it's got open AI on boards, So
this is just a matter of time. You look how
fast things are advancing now. It's incredible, you know, you

(01:47:17):
compare the first iPhone to the iPhones we have now.
Things are advancing so incredibly rapidly. Are you scared of
this or would you love to spend twenty grand and
have a humanoid robot living in your house doing your
chores for you? Craig your thoughts on domestic robots, Yeah,

(01:47:37):
I think yeah, if.

Speaker 16 (01:47:40):
You get a like female looking robots, male looking robots
would be great. To have a female robots that would
do all the vacuumine and ironing and loading that this
was that never gets tired.

Speaker 6 (01:47:53):
I don't.

Speaker 16 (01:47:54):
I don't think the woman's livers would like it very much.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
So say you're saying by very just by the virtue
of the way it looks, Because people can just decide
how it looks that that it would do the the
historically female batistic chores. It's a controversial upon you.

Speaker 16 (01:48:12):
I ain't gonna high I'm not going to buy a
man robot to do the chores. I'm a female robot.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
What what would you want your man robot to do, Craig,
I would have one of them. Yeah, you're not looking
at getting into a romantic relationship with this this female robot,
are you, Craig?

Speaker 16 (01:48:32):
Absolutely not the wife still at home robot.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Thank you for your call, Craig. I mean that is
that is that's a very interesting concept because for some reason,
when I look at these robots that X one are making,
these neo gammas, they look male to me, that they're
kind of they're kind of a sexual, and that they
don't well they are and they don't they don't have
any genitals or anything, but there's something quite masculine about them.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
That's my robot, that aren't they But there will.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Be a higher than zero number of people that will
want these robots. I mean, I've seen that a documentary
and a guy that just has these realistic looking, life
size human doles in his house and he takes them
everywhere and takes pictures them. It's a big thing. So
that we definitely a market for people that want to
replace their partner with a robot. I mean, for me,

(01:49:32):
that seems like a little bit shallow, a little bit
dystopian and it makes me feel a little bit echy.
But then again, I don't know. I haven't tried it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Oh, one hundred eighty is another to cool Malcolm, Malcolm,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:49:51):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
I can't put anything worse than robots yep. But however,
I haven't been listening. All I've been in on the topic.
But most of the best film on AI is artificial intelligence, right,
and that was a Spielberg film, but in reality it

(01:50:14):
was a Stanley Kubrick film. He just he wore all
the storyboards, but he just didn't fill up to the
technology to do it. So if you watch it, the
Ortman credits is an amblem, even though he was dead.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Joel that was that? Who was in that one?

Speaker 15 (01:50:31):
That's so on? Yeah, law, absolutely brilliant film.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
It goes incredibly deep and it's one ends in a
way that you know, you can have discussions about for
a long time.

Speaker 15 (01:50:46):
Well, in many ways it was more a Kubrick film.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of asking
similar in a way questions as two thousand and one
Space Odysy.

Speaker 6 (01:50:57):
You know what is.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
Has more controversial film? The Clock of Orange. Yeah, it
was huge in the UK, but there was so much criticism.
He was the only director to my knowledge, that had
total distribution. He said, you don't like it, he pulled
it himself.

Speaker 8 (01:51:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Another one, Malcolm, that just and you're very well versed
on Stanley Kubrick. But another one that just brings some mind,
not quite as deep, but by a centennial man with
Robin Williams.

Speaker 15 (01:51:28):
Yeah, yeah, I've got that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Yeah, but that's also based on a book by what's
his name was talking about him before Isaac Asimov. But
you know, while we're talking about Kubrick firms, have you
heard the new theories that have been putting around around eyes?
White's shut because you know he he died not long
after he.

Speaker 15 (01:51:48):
Died in two one.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
Yeah, I've got every movie he made, yes, so, including
Fear and Desire. I think you can sider it online,
but you won't see his films online.

Speaker 15 (01:52:00):
But it's a life and pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Yes, so shut as their suggestions now because he passed
that the studio re edited it and there's there's versions
out there that there's versions that haven't been released out there.
I heard Roger Avery, who was the co writer of
Pulp Fiction, talking about this that there's there's the script
with a voiceover, and there's a very different movie. And

(01:52:24):
it is now believed that the studio after he died
cut it before and cut their version that they thought
was more commercial because.

Speaker 15 (01:52:30):
About a few weeks after top Cruisi and his then
wife Nicole Kidman.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Yeah, that's right. So there's there's there's there's a conspiracy
theory out there that seems to have a lot of
you know, backing to it that they just re edited
it try and make it more commercial because it is.
It is his oddest film.

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
It is the least Kubricky film. I'd say eyes watch Chat.

Speaker 15 (01:52:49):
Yeah, my favorite still is Doctor Strong.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
And brilliant movie. Absolutely brilliant movie. Peter Sellers, complete genius
at the top of his game.

Speaker 24 (01:53:03):
Hey, thank you so much, But just going Peter Sellers
in real life was very nasty man, was he? That's
off in the way I've seen docer where his son
said he was a bashard.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Wow, all right, Darren sees our washing machine uses AI
for loading senses and messages my wife when it's finished
and ready to be hung out. What about if it
could then walk outdoors hanging things up itself.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Yeah, it maybe be a little bit you know, loving companion.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Yeah, and then come give you a kis good night.

Speaker 6 (01:53:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
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Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Great discussion. Couple of texts here, God help us.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Of all the robots run by the Chinese Communist Party
would all get slaughtered. Bloody rumbers already have software in
them that can be hacked into watch where it is
going and proving at us the world is going mad. Look,
I don't know if that's true. I'm suspicious that rombers
can hack in and watch you get changed. I'm not

(01:54:23):
sure if rombers are into that kind of thing or rumors.
But if they are rumors, rombers, it's rumors, isn't it.
Our washing machine uses AI already, so you know it's
all coming in that. That's what you know. We're all
worried about the robots. That is the point I was
trying to make before they are they are when we're
spending so much time online, and you know, the robots

(01:54:43):
can duplicate themselves much quicker online than having to make
a future make actual bodies, physical bodies for themselves. And
you know, if you're like me, you've got an Alexra
in every moom. You've got automation and so many parts.
I mean, there's a good chance before we ever get
the human humanoid robots in our house doing our laundry
for us, that everything is being done for us, sort
of stealthily. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Yeah, I'm a deep sea is my smart washing machine.
Means I can start alone to end when I wake up,
so it is there before I hit to work and
dry by the time I'm back on my shift. Same
with my roomba. This neo Gamma is just an extension
of that. If it ever comes to New Zealand, you
bet on buying one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Yeah, well, that's kind of what I'm saying in this text.
Agrees as well. We have both laun and my robot
and vacuum both save time we can leave the house
for work and they start work. Would love a robot
for cleaning windows in laundry, et cetera, so that it
just comes in an increments.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Yeah, you know, I just think them. You know, I
wonder if there's going to be a bit of a pushback.
Maybe not according to these tecks. And you know, it
appears if there's a fellow out there that's a bit lonely,
they don't mind the idea of a nice robot.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Well, the problem is, like everything with humans, as we
always take it sexual, don't we eventually? Okay, so today
we've learned that we love gold and probably always will,
that forty eight percent of under forty four year old
males in New Zealand like the idea of a benevolent dictator.
And we also learned that we're about fifty to fifty
on having domestic humanoid robots in our house doing the.

Speaker 15 (01:56:03):
Washing for us.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
Good times.

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