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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good afternoon, you great Kiwi's just highly here because Maddie
is in the beautiful christ Church and he is about
to as we speak, when the time is three to
four on Thursday afternoon, about to head to a great
event in christ Church at the Central ib Too to
have a chat about his book, A Life Less Punishing.
But great show today, fantastic show today. Had a great

(00:38):
chat about tariffs for dummies and we got an expert
on to kind of tell us what the hell is
a tariff and what does it do and what does
it mean? It's ten percent that's going to be lumped
on everybody in New Zealand, so that was a great chat.
Then we did an hour about cannabis and that kind
of went a little bit sideway. Is it a good way?
Some very very interesting calls should we say over that hour,

(01:00):
and then we talked about beer gut, beer belly. Is
it possible to lose the beer belly while still drinking beer?
Which sounds like an oxyen war on, but turns out
there's quite a lot of boozers who listened to a
zi'd be and a very beautiful tribute to the late
great Val Kilma as well, so listen out for that anyway.
Thank you very much, Love you as always. We will

(01:22):
see you safe and sound tomorrow Friday. Get you then
the big.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything in between.
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Speaker 3 (01:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, good afternoon, cheer, welcome into the show. It is
seven past one, get a mets, get a Tyler coming
to you from beautiful christ Church on a bit of
a rainy day.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
And it's still I love the city so much. It's
the city on the grave, I say to my friend
this morning, I was saying, you know what you feel
a city that's moving forward. A lot of cities in
New Zealand feel like they're looking back. They're dealing with stuff.
I think Auckland's still struggling to come out of the
being locked down for a ridiculously long amount of time
back in the day. But christ Church is on the grow,
It's moving forward. You can feel the positivity in the air.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Love it dead to my heart. Christ jute and how
good is that studio? You look out to the beautiful
Margaret Mayhee. You just feel good being in that studio,
don't you.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, it's a lovely time.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah yeah, there we go.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Got the stench of five years of you running it
in here. But apart from that, it's great.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
You can't get that out, I'll tell you right. A
big show today alf to three o'clock. A great story
in the New Zealand Herald. The headline is the science
of male middle age spread around the midriff and how
to get rid of it And it is a cutting
cutting exactly. It is an in depth article, but I
think the conclusion is pretty straightforward.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Mat Yeah, sadly, when you strip back everything else and
all the little things you can do with exercise, if
you really want to lose that gut, you've got to
kick the alcohol to touch, which is a problem because
drinking is really fun, yep. But if you actually want
to lose your gut, you are going to have to
give up drinking. Not completely, You're going to have to

(03:09):
cut down, you know, because it affects you sleep, and
sleep is a huge part of weight loss. If you're
not sleeping, then you make bad decisions and you struggle
to metabolize, but also it messes with your metabolism generally,
and you know you end up making terrible eating habits.
But alcohol, you drop it, you lose weight. Are you
willing to do it?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Absolutely, that's after three o'clock, after two o'clock generation. Minecraft
arguably the biggest game in the world. And the headline
of this article how a pointless video game took over
the world and it certainly has, isn't it, Matt?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yes, So it was huge and then it wasn't huge,
and now it's huger than ever. We've got a massive
movie coming out that was shot in New Zealand starring
Jack Black, and Minecraft just goes from strength to strength
because a lot of parents are okay with their kids
playing it because it's creative, you build stuff, it's like
online Lego. But you know, are you okay with it?

(04:06):
A lot of parents are. But do you still think
think it's sucking the life out of cars and they
should be outside building a tree hut.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yep. We're going to open up the phone lines to
that after talk clop. But right now, the biggest story
in New Zealand at the moment, New Zealand isn't being
exempted from Donald trump sweeping tariff plan. The US president
has announced ten percent tariffs on almost all imports to
the United States. To discuss this further, we're joined by
Stephen Jacobi. He's a former diplomat, policy advisor and Industry

(04:34):
Associal Association CEO. He is well known as an expert
on trade and economic issues in New Zealand and joins
us Now. Very good afternoon, Stephen.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yes, hello to you.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Now, Stephen. Very basically, because a lot of people, I
don't think understand tariff's at all. For people who might
be an idiot and don't get it, how do tariff's work,
Where are they applied, who pays for them, and where
does the money collected go.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
So, when New Zealand exports a product to the United States,
for instance, the United States government or may not charge
a tariff a duty a percentage of the goods value
as it enters the country, and that is paid for
by the importer of the products, not paid by the exporter.

(05:22):
It's paid by the importer, and the importer generally passes
that cost on to the purchaser of that good and
on to the final consumer. So in this example, the
tariff is attack that's paid for by consumers in the
United States.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Now, we hear a lot about the negative parts of
tariffs from our perspective, but it's not random. Can you
steal man the Trump administration's reasons for putting these tariffs
in place.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Well, if you read through the nine pages or so
of the executive order released by the President, you'll see
quite a lot of justification for this, primarily because he
considers that imbalances an international trade have created the national
security problem for the United States. So this is, you know,

(06:14):
our exports of beef for McDonald's is causing a massive
national security problem for the United States, and therefore he
is being led to put in place actions to correct this,
which will in the process bring more business and manufacturing

(06:34):
to establish itself in the United States and boost the economy.
You know, there are lots of aspects to this argument,
but that's the central one.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Because you can see it if you had a company
that was manufacturing cars in the United States and then
they move their factory to Mexico for the cheaper labor,
and then just selling the cars back to America. You
can see how that would be gutting for you know,
the car manufacturing industry in America.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Of course, that's not quite the way it works, because
what happens in that particular example is that, yes, some
things are outsourced for production in Mexico, but in fact
what Mexico is doing is they are making parts for
the final car that is constructed in the United States.
In fact, parts flow back and forth across the border

(07:31):
for a variety of reasons. You know, I guess lower
cost production, sure, but also the ability to have very
long runs to reduce the unit cost of things produced.
So you know, to say that you can make everything
in one country today is actually a pretty tall order.
And then the motor vehicle example is pretty much the

(07:52):
case here, and you've got products moving all over North
America to make these cars. If you actually restrict that,
you raise the cost of manufacturing in the United States,
you make them unappealing an attractive, unaffordable to est consumers,
and they either don't buy a car, or buy a
car and somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
But some car manufacturers have moved their plants out of
the United States because it's cheaper to make the cars
outside the United States. That's true, though, wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
They have moved part of the manufacturing process out of
the United States. That's right, But they have retained a
lot of manufacturing in the United States so they can
have an integrated manufacturing across North America.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
So that hasn't been responsible for the losses and jobs
in manufacturing in America.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Well, I guess President Trump would argue that it has,
but of course will also be argued that has actually
preserved jobs and created new ones by making cars that
overall are cheaper.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Stephen, there's a question that's come via our text machine here,
and I understand some countries have had this applied to
them with these new tariffs. But the question is will
new towers apply to small individual purchases from we retail
websites to a private individual. Currently they can import US
eight hundred dollars. Do we know that level of detail.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yeah, that's called a demnimous transaction. And this is in
the United States, right, so consumers in those states can
buy these and import them. You know, it's the sort
of thing you might buy from an international you know,
you know, website or something. Previously they were exempt, but

(09:29):
now they are going to be charged to full duty.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
We're talking to Steven Jacobe, former diplomat and trade experts
from a New Zealand perspective, how much does our low
dollar offset the impact of these ten percent tariffs.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
You know, to a certain extent, that's right, you know,
appreciation depreciation and the dollar which moves around can offset
some of this. And this tariff has been put on
at ten percent right for New Zealand, which is at
the low lowest end of the scale that they've adopted,
and you might have, you know, even up to a
five percent swing in the exchange rate that would have

(10:05):
an effect here. But bear in mind, by the way,
it's an additional ten percent tariff, it's not just ten percent.
So and of course a lot of our exports have
been going to the United States duty free, but in
some cases we do pay a tariff, generally not a
high tariff, except on some agricultural items. So some aspects

(10:27):
of dairy trade, for example s l Asbury high tariffs
and sometimes we trade over those tawerts. We're going to
phase ten percent on top now, so the level of
pain will be felt differently across different sectors. And the
other aspect to bear in mind is that some of
our competitors in the US market are being taxed more

(10:48):
than US. So, for example, the European Union is being
taxed an additional tariff of twenty percent. That's going to
be significant for our wine exports, for.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Example, as it's the importer that pays the tariff. Steve
the no New Zealand export is likely to drop the
export prices to compensate the importer or is it a
case of living with a possible reduction in that demand?

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, well this is this is I mean, both is
probably correct. Some exporters will want to help their you know,
their distributors in the United States to keep you know,
price increases to a reasonable level. They may want to
share the pain, for example, or they might want to
they might want to seek to divert their you know

(11:32):
exports off to other markets, or they might just suck
it up. So you know, it's going to vary across
different sectors according to different relationships and how the market reacts.
I mean, because of course, you know, one big factor
here is is you know, how our competitors are being treated,
our foreign competitors. But the other factors. Can the US

(11:53):
you know, industry step up and supply the products that
we all have been supplying in all cases is most
unlikely to be the case. You take our largest export,
beef into McDonald's, that's one point eight billion dollars worth
of exports, plays a very small tariff at the moment.
It might be subject to a plus ten percent, but
it's being part of a manifact of a food processing

(12:16):
chain in the United States. So how that exactly works
out will be very interesting to see.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Now, tariff's on a new thing. We're talking about the
lot because the US is the biggest economy in the world,
but Canada has had some big tariffs on New Zealand
and the EU has. Are we still taking Canada to
court with the when we take in Canada to the
wto the World Trade Organization over their tariffs on us, that's.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Right, that's right. They haven't implemented their undertakings to us
in the context of the TPP Trade Agreement, and so
we're taking them to dispute settlement process. But you know,
that's the kind of it's an important thing and a
big thing, and we should be doing it, but it's
a small thing compared to what we're seeing in the
United States at the moment. You know, Canada is not

(13:01):
putting tariffs on us on all products. They should be
meeting their international obligations. The United States is doing is
quite a lot more. In the case of the EU
that you mentioned. Of course, we've got a new trade
agreement with the EU that has reduced some tariffs, but
not all tariffs. And you know, I think that trade

(13:21):
agreement and other ones we have, including TPP or CPTPP
as it's called now, are we're going to become more
important to us as we move forward into this new
kind of tariff world that we're seeing open up before
our eyes.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Now, America has a huge amount of debt, and the
debt is growing all the time, and they look around
the world and see these deficits of trade. And if
you're the Trump administration, you believe that America is being
ripped off. Is there any truth to that? Have they
been basically subsidizing the rest of the world, as has

(13:55):
been suggested?

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Well, I don't think so, because, after all, they have
made sovereign decisions to lower their tariffs in the context
of trade agreements, in the context of international trade negotiations.
These deals have been done and they have been ratified
by the Congress. There have been processes around these things,
you know, you know, it's true that, I mean, it

(14:20):
is the case and in some areas their trading partners
impose greater tariffs on them than they impose on their
trading partner. In fact, we've got a few things like
that for us. But you know, the way to deal
with these things is to negotiate the reduction of tariffs
and other trade barriers in the context of trade agreements.
We have been seeking a trade agreement with the United

(14:42):
States for a long time, as you know, so I
don't think that really, you know, holds things up. And
you know, when you think about this business of who's
ripping off who, I mean, our tariff applied tariff right
to US goods entering news in it is one point
eight percent, not be twenty percent that the US Administration
claims is being applied.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, they can confused with zest on that they are
they adding the GST to that is that what's going on.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
There, you know, to be perfect to think, I think
it's a lot simpler than that. They have simply looked
at the trade deficit. Their assessment of the trade deficit
that we have with the United States, which is quite
small in according to American figures about one point three
billion dollars and they have divided it by the total
by total trade between New Zealand and the United States,

(15:30):
and they've come out with a figure close to twenty percent.
I don't really think they've taken the GSD into it.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Do we have the ability to correct We got the
access to correct them on things like that and maybe
get the tariff changed.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Well. The Executive Order says that makes clear that yes,
there is a room for negotiation if countries bring their
trade regimes into a line with that of the United States.
In the United States to be prepared to consider, you know,
decreasing or limiting the application of these towns. But now
what's going to see, of course, is one hundred and
eighty five trading partners around the world or seeking to

(16:06):
try to do that. Now, we need to we do
need so.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
We need we need to get over there right now
and start knocking on the door and getting in the
queue and getting hurt.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
But bear in mind, you know, having said that, and
you know tariffs are bad, and we have it's going
to have a It's going to be painful for news
in and exports, no doubt, but we are in the
least terrified group. So there are others that have got
much greater problems than us, and including a number of

(16:36):
you know, you know, substantial economies like the European Union
twenty percent, or in India twenty seven percent, you know,
Israel seventeen percent, of staunch ally of the United States,
a number of ones in Southeast Asia, and here I say,
even in the Pacific.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Why did they go They went to Cambodia pretty hard
as well.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
For percent, I mean for a least developed economy like Cambodia.
Frankly that I find that splicable when the rest of
the world is giving, you know, duty free access of
all of these countries. But there's also Fiji thirty two
percent and Vanowatu twenty three percent. They're even taxing the
Norfolk Island at twenty nine percent. I didn't know what

(17:16):
in earth Norfolk Island.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
That much, Stephen, fascinating times and thank you very much
for giving us some time today. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
You're very welcome more to watch in this space.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Absolutely there is that is Stephen Jacoby, Executive director of
the International Business Forum and International Trade Specialists. Right, We're
keen to get your views on this, So A one
hundred eighty ten eighty, how are you feeling about these
ten percent baseline taris for New Zealand? If you're in
the exporting game, how are you feeling at the moment?
Are you worried? Are you hoping there is some movement
here when our trade specialists and diplomats get across to

(17:52):
the US.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Or do you feel just that they're justified and do
you support them for whatever reason? Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. We want to hear both sides of this absolutely.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
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Speaker 2 (18:16):
That'd be good. Afternoon. It is twenty six past one,
and we're talking about the tariffs imposed on New Zealand
ten percent baseline across the board at this stage, more
certainly to come on this, but we're keen on your
thoughts on oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah. I think people are quite terrified because they hear
that these things just random and you've got a leader
of the biggest economy in the world, just setting fire
to the world. But I think it's important to understand
and that there is there is justification for it in
their minds, whether they're right or wrong. They have a

(18:49):
belief that it will be better for the United States.
That's why they're doing it. And you know, but sometimes
in New Zealand it can just seem like there's a
mad man setting the world on fire. And maybe that's true,
maybe it's not. Well. Jacobi is correct about the movement
of parts for the cars, and US is importing huge
numbers of finished cars from the country cisstick to, particularly

(19:10):
Mexico and Canada. The future will be even more difficult
with a huge Chinese industry and electronics and electrics with
better technology than US and massively subsidized by the Chinese government.
The reality is that companies operate in a global context
and manufacturing and of manufacturing and go where it's cheapest.

(19:30):
That is affecting US leadership and technology and engineering experience.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
And this text says, guys, I disagree America rips off
the world with their tech companies avoiding tax Facebook, Microsoft, etc.
Dwarfs any manufacturing trade differentials.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I mean that, I mean definitely Google, Microsoft and
the like are absolutely gouging the economies of other countries.
That is absolutely true. The terriffs are justified from an
American perspective by the end goal of ending income tax
in America. So that's the idea that you lower income

(20:11):
tax in America, and the tax take comes from the
importers playing tariffs, so then people make a choice of
what they're going to buy. And then the idea is
that Main Street returns, but Wall Street might have a
bit of a problem, but jobs come back to America.
That's the justifaition, justification within America. It doesn't help us
a lot because America is doing it for America. Whether

(20:33):
it works or not. That is that that is their
goal of the current administration. But from a New Zealand perspective,
is that good or bad? I don't know. I don't know.
At least we' around ten percent and not some of
the higher tariffs that other countries are getting, and at
least our dollars quite low at the moment.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Exactly, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call for a bit late, but we'll pick
it back up very shortly with your calls and thoughts
about these tariffs. It is twenty eight pass one, putting the.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Time questions to the newspeakers, The Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 7 (21:03):
Donald Trump, for reasons that allude me, he doesn't understand tariffs.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Startmouth.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Economics Professor Douglas ruins with us. Don't know if you
realize this, Douglas, in nineteen eighty two eighty three, we
became free traders. We're becloneers of free trade in the world,
and so we just don't get this. This is economic insanity.
How does it get explained to the American people?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Well, I think they're going to feel it very soon
in their pocketbook.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
We talked about Liberation Days, some other people are calling
it watch your wallet.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
And with twenty five percent tariffs on cars, that's going
to push up the place of new cars and used
cars alike, let alone the steel and the parts involved
as well. And so it's not going to sort of
reindustrialize America the way the president wants.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
It's just going to cost Americans a lot back.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
Tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's
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Speaker 2 (21:44):
Good afternoon, and we are being we are talking about
what has been called Liberation Day in the US. Tariff's
on New Zealand at the moment baseline ten percent. Keen
to get your thoughts on that right on hundred and
eighteen eighty Scott, how are you this afternoon, kay guy.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
It's just a couple of things I want to raise
with this situation. Is I heard Donald say that he's
going to do a tax free on people that purchase
a US made vehicle versus the tariff to fearful out
of China and say for example or anywhere else. So
he's doing tax free on those vehicles. So he's encouraging

(22:21):
people to buy American made. It where the parts are
made is beyond what goes on here, but he's encouraging
people to buy American maid. Now I thought about this
in a New Zealand context a little bit. You know,
we've lost a lot of blue colored job, blue collar
jobs in this country to oversee manufacturing. For example, the
manufacturer Malaysia Malaysian Company has now just taken all the

(22:43):
pulp and sent it back to Malaysia. Be Let these
people buy these companies and then shut them down and
bug it off overseas. Now, that doesn't help us at
all as a country. So we've got to think about
how we bring back those jobs. Now, I look at
it the way that Trump's doing it. He's trying to
bring those manufacturers back to America to build businesses there

(23:04):
and make it more attractive, either by subsidies or offer
their offering them some other type of package to bring
those jobs back to America. Now I think about it
and what we're doing here. Now we've got Sleepy Head
in the Waycadow trying to build this big factory and
of course obviously a lot of homes and a new
town effectively to help them with their growth. Now, they're

(23:26):
a company that's made a big ift to stay in
New Zealand. They could have easily done what a lot
of the others wander and massport whatever it might be,
and go overseas official and pickle. But they're trying to
work in New Zealand and work with New Zealand government
and local government. I guess to try to build what
they're trying to build. Then we need to encourage more
of that investment. Now, how do we go about doing that?

(23:48):
Is that stopping now Achine and Team who are a
massive problem in New Zealand because people just go buy
it over there.

Speaker 9 (23:54):
Now, imagine if we text all those.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Products and said, hey, let's bring back manufacturing. Let's make
subs that have put subsidies in place for these companies
to encourage them to invest in New Zealand, to employ
people and to grow our economy. And also what that
or so in some regards does is makes us less
vulnerable to the international market and trade routes. They say
there's a war tomorrow, all of a sudden, we can't

(24:18):
get petrol because we get trade blocked. We can't get
anything into our country because we're so relying, so reliant
on the international market and free trade deals. I don't
know personally much about free trade, but all I've seen
free trade do in mind forty five years of existence
is see jobs leave our country exporting. We do great

(24:38):
with selling lamb, but they're going to buy that anyway,
in my opinion, because we do such a great job
of that, you know, and all the dairy products and
all the other things. All I've seen is meatworks shut,
pulp mills shut, manufacturing, automobiles shut. I've seen everything shut.
We've all seen it. We need to try and do
a different thing. I think to be honest, I.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Think the problem Scott is it's a bit of a
catch twenty two situation, isn't it. We're an exporting nation,
so we have gone all in on that. We went
all in on that with the Longy government back in
the early eighties because we were in a terrible state
when we were running protectionist economy, so we went all
in on opening things up. And the fear would be
if we start massively putting, you know, tariffs on stuff

(25:22):
coming in from China, then they're just going to go, Okay, nah,
we're not taking your you, We're not taking your dairy anymore.
You see what I mean. We're in this interesting situation
where we're getting gutted of them from our manufacturing, and
we're choosing to do that in favor of focusing heavily
on being able to expert our primary resources.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh we just lost Scott. We'll try and get them back,
but just we tend to get your views as well
at one hundred and eighty ten eighty in the teach
number if you want to send a tex nine to
nine two. But we'll try and get Scott back. Headlines
with Raylene coming up, it's twenty five to two.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
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no trouble with a blue bubble. Our government is asking
the US for more details on its new import terraffs
for New Zealand, matching many to be imposed on countries
around the world at ten percent its claim. New Zealand
is already charging the US twenty percent tariffs, a figure

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Speaker 2 (27:18):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we got Scott back.
It's good to get you back, Scott, because we want
to pick back up on what you were saying and
the question Matt put to you. But just to pick
up where we left off. Effectively, you were you could
see the justification of what America is doing here and
whether we should be employing what a similar strategy to
protect jobs that we used to have in New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
Yeah, well it's similar along those lines. Yes, I think
what we've got as we are worried about what leavl
China may may do to us. For example, if we
decided tomorrow that your Temo products now cost twenty five
percent by the way, I don't think that would stop
anyone from buying anything from Temu. But I just think
that we need to look at how we can generate

(28:01):
more wealth using New Zealand people to do the work.
And I believe that we have a product that the
world would want to have if we were building them here.
In New Zealand and then selling them. So even just
the local market and the international market, but also I
think there's a bigger picture here holistically. I guess you
would say to how our country generates more wealth, so

(28:24):
we're not so I guess dependent on trade from international buyers.
We need to look at the way that we look
at view more will and gas and coal and a
few other things. For example, we only gained two percent
royalties I'm pretty sure that's correct and oil and gas
in New Zealand, whereas other countries are fourteen. Others are

(28:46):
even higher, you know, eighty nine percent the guitar. I mean,
we've really got I know, we say we're a small nation,
but we actually have a lot to offer the entire
world in what we have.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
In our country.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
I just think we need to have a better look
at how we generate our wealth in this country and
how we look after our middle class people.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I mean that we were like that once, but I
would agree Scott, but it's such a delicate balancing act
because you would have to select manufacturing that we can do.
I mean, you take the Kiwi Trekker, our attempt at
making a car that you know, if you focused on
us just being as a very small economy being in

(29:25):
charge of our manufacturing in that area. It wouldn't go well.
And when you pick and choose as a tiny little country,
if we try to pick and choose what we protect
and what we don't, then we're open to larger countries
just you know, putting a stroke of pen through their
budget and going New Zealand's too difficult to deal with.
We don't want to have any of it. And you know,

(29:46):
we had. We were a very very closed economy for
a very long time. We were just selling our lamb
to the UK and making a whole lot of money.
But in the seventies sixties it was very very hard
to even get a car into New Zealand. You and
we were paying huge tariffs on cars into New Zealand.
And until you know, Rogernomics in the eighties when the

(30:07):
country opened up, and the modern country that we enjoy
now with the big screen televisions and the products that
we have is very much a result of us opening
up the economy and not subsidizing manufacturers and farmings to
the same degree.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Yeah, but I believe that's exposed us to an extent
to whatever happens in the global economy. So if there's
a ripple in China where they're not spending money all
of a sudden, now we're not making any money anymore.
We're not looking in enough to how we can look
after ourselves as opposed to making the rest of the
world look after us. I think we need to have

(30:48):
a really really good look at how we do this
going forward, because we're carrying huge debt, obviously off the
back of COVID. We need to look at how we
can as a country offer something more than what we
are now to get ourselves out of this. I'm doing
the same in regards to his getting rid of his
what is it like thirty what is it?

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Sorry?

Speaker 8 (31:10):
What is their deficit?

Speaker 6 (31:11):
It's huge?

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Oh sorry, brilliant, thirty thirty trillion?

Speaker 8 (31:15):
I believe, yeah, I mean it's just staggering. Now. If
they keep doing the same things as previous governments have done,
they're never going to get rid of it, and I
believe the Western world will collapse. So they've got to
try something different. It's bold, it may upset some, but
he's got to try. And don't forget nineteen thirteen, that
was when the first income tax was put on people.

Speaker 11 (31:37):
I think it was two percent.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
To help with the war. Before it was all tariffs,
so across the world that was tariff. He z Illan
doesn't even have an incompax. So we've got to look
at how we can change the way the model that
we're doing. I see Massachusetts now it does not have
an income tax. So whatever it might be, give it
a go. If it doesn't work, we can always go
back to the same way we were doing things before.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, I think if you call Scott cheers Scott, whether
look this is true or not, this is certainly what
I've heard anecdotally from some friends in Canada and their
produce and meat crap over in Canada by and large,
so they love New Zealand meat and New Zealand fruit
vig if they can get it effectively. They said, you
charge what you want for a New Zealand product, and
Canadians will pay for it, similar to the US and

(32:21):
similar to parts of Europe as well. So that puts
US in a good position. So hopefully where you know,
the importers will wear that and the people of Canada
and the US and Europe will just pay that money.
That's what we're all hoping right, but I think New
Zealand may be in a good position for those products.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
I'll tell you something that I've got that's pretty cool.
It's a turntable that was manufactured in New Zealand in
the nineteen sixties. I bought it and I'll tell you
what that looks like. It was manufactured in the eighteen nineties.
We were of quite a backward country. People would come
here and the joke was, you go back in time
forty years when you get off the plane in New

(32:59):
Zealand because we were so restrictive of our imports into
the country until the eighties when we opened up. So
you know, you can have an isolated country. You might have,
you know, wealth of a kind, but you end up
missing out on a lot of the technological advancements and
the and the products that people enjoy around the world.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
You know, absolutely. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call love to hear your thoughts on
the tariffs that have been imposed on New Zealand ten
percent baseline across the board. If you're any exporting, how
are you feeling right now? Really keen to get your thoughts.
It is a quarter to two mix.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Here is what a win for New Zealand. US importers
looking for quality products will naturally go for New Zealand
with the lowest tariffs. US importers will buy our product.
Hand over fist is positive.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, love it. It is quarter to two. Back very
shortly here on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoons
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Very good afternoon. We're talking about the US tariffs. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty call.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
I was talking about Robert Rogenomics in terms of how
it opened up the country. I've talked about this before.
You know, there's a band called the Pretty Things that
came to New Zealand in the ninety sixties and talked
about how they were going back in time because we
were so shut off at the time. We were a
very wealthy country perhead of population, but we didn't have
a lot of cool stuff. This text of Logan one

(34:31):
hundred percent disagrees with me. Rogeromics killed this country and
the tens of thousands of jobs in manufacturer and we
had disappeared. We made cars, electronics, and appliances very proudly
my Panasonic TV is the last of the New Zealand
made ones to be made by Fisher and Pikel in
nineteen eighty nine. Cheers Logan, Thanks for your text. Yeah.
I mean we were assembling a lot of stuff over here,
that's for sure, assembling cars, the Trekker, even the Trekker,

(34:54):
the Kiwi trecker that was made. I think was that
on the A Was it a Scoda base? I want
to be able to tell me what the what the
Kiwi Treker was built upon. Very rude car, the Kiwi Tricker.
It was quite ray, very squizy, very very uncol I
found an entire Kiwi Tricker abandoned under the one of
the sheds the farm I grew up on and cleeck

(35:15):
with the badge, but you know, I didn't know how
to put it back together.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
That's a great vine. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to called get a Edwards.

Speaker 12 (35:23):
Ah, Hi, guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
What's your thoughts on the terrace?

Speaker 11 (35:28):
Not so much the challenge, but just your last call
in and talk about rogenomics and you know, destroying manufacturing
will just coming to playwood and that we grow trees faster,
or pine trees faster, and Nelson and film anywhere else
in the world of Siberia. Now, we used to be
able to manufacture and finish stuff out of our wood.

(35:50):
We stopped that under oatonomics. There was an article in
The Economist at the beginning of the year talking about
eighty percent of our loves go to China. So China
built to play manufacturing plants on the ports that New
Zealand wood lands on. They then take it off the
ship make play with At that point, they put it

(36:11):
back on the ship and they explot it to the US,
Canada and the UK out of our wood, and they
make hundreds of billions of dollars a year. For my
call is simply, you know, to back up what he
was saying, But how can we go back to that?
And I think there's there will probably be taxpayer agreement
that we could invest in making fly with here again,

(36:35):
putting taxpayer funds into manufacturing again to avoid all these tables.
Is selling straight into the markets instead of sending our
wood and making fly with and China making all the money.
So there there's options, right, which.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Business would you pick? Because currently we're a very free
market economy. That's the way we've decided to go. Are
you saying that you would like to just move the
balance a little bit towards the government supporting manufacturing in
which industries and that just particularly the plywood industry or

(37:09):
across multiple industries.

Speaker 11 (37:11):
It's just one example. It's got nothing to do with
free trade because we've got to three free trade.

Speaker 12 (37:17):
Agreement at the moment with China. But if we manufacture
ply here out of the wood that we grow here
and send it to the markets that they are sending it,
so our logs go there, they make ply, and then
they send it on so they're finishing. We're giving them
a raw product from this country and making a long
lot of money out of pine here.

Speaker 11 (37:36):
We've got a big uproll at the moment about our
farming going into pine. But if people are planting pine
for ets, then we could use that pine, we could
finish that pine into something like ply, and we could
deliver it to the markets that are buying off China.
That doesn't affect our free trade agreement. It just means
that we're manufacturing here and it doesn't necessarily need to

(37:57):
be all taxpayer. It can be a private partnership with
it wors government. I just wonder whether we need to
look at something like that. China are making hundreds of
billions off of the year, I would because start finishing it.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah, it's interesting because Fontira was always doing this situation
and they're looking at it right now where we have
our primary products and then we have value adding businesses.
But we tend to do it for a while and
then just sell it off because we well, Fontira doesn't
think that's its called business or that it's that's brilliant,
brilliant doing it. But from a New Zealand perspective, we

(38:32):
love the idea of being able to use our primary
products and make them superior and sell them overseas for more.
We love that idea. We just don't do something to
do it as much.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, Edward, thank you very much. It is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Back very shortly, Mattith Taylor Adams taking your calls on
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Speaker 2 (38:54):
EDB News Talks, zed B right, a couple of texts
to wrap this up to the news and it's been
a fascinating discussion. This sticks to sees. Guys, don't forget
in the days when Britain joined the Common market now
is the EU, and we could not sell our butter
into Britain. We went looking for other markets. That's how
we ended up selling bit of a Butter rather to Russia.

(39:16):
But we had to buy the dreadful letters as well
from Chris. I don't know Russian letters.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Yeah, okay. I was talking about the Kiwi trek Or,
a car made in New Zealand based on the Skoda Octavia.
A very strange car. But someone here says, Matt, I
got passed by a Trekker going up the rum Attukas
a while ago. Turns out we had a turbo charge
Subaru engine in it. Still ugly though, Henry. Ah. So
someone someone souped up their Trekker. I'd like to do that.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, I mean it what was a great car, wasn't it? Well?
I mean, I mean maybe that's why we didn't sell
it a lot of them.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
It looks so like a milk float. Very uncool, Chessie Brady.
We did make it in New Zealand exactly briefly.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, good chat, thank you very much. Right, coming up
very shortly, we're going to have a chat about Minecraft.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
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For some reason, it smells a bit nicer in this
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(41:05):
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Is that right, Yeah, that's right. And when you say
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Speaker 2 (41:14):
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(41:35):
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Yeah, five point thirty I'm signing books. Actually, if you don't,
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We all know that.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Just in case you didn't know, Tyler, the sixth edition
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Speaker 4 (43:28):
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Speaker 2 (43:30):
Absolutely right. Let's have a chat about cannabis. So this
is on the back of a cannabis sting in Three
Kings in Auckland. So they raided a large cannabis grown
operation in the central Auckland suburb and a police spokesman
said the operation was found at an industrial property. The
Quota's police have been at the car Road address since

(43:50):
late morning and inquiries ongoing this afternoon. So police have
remained at the address and a photographer at the scene
said the sense of cannabis at the site was incredibly
potent and could be smelled from a nearby motorway. That's
probably what gave it away.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
It is stinky stuff that cannabis, isn't it. But my
question on this when I read this story, I thought,
are we still doing this? Are we still busting cannabis
growing operations? Is that where we want our resources being spent?
Because it's very easy to sign up to medical marijuana.
I know a number of people that are taking medical
medical marijuana. Dozens of states across the United States have

(44:29):
legalized it. It just seems that the trend in the
world is towards are not worrying so much about cannabis.
So do we want police to be deploying their resources
into busting up cannabis operations or do we want them
to be laser focused on the dirty myth epidemic in
this country? Because there's no doubt that we have a

(44:49):
huge problem with myth, and myth is an evil. It
does nothing good in society that there's no justification for
myth out there. So should the police be smashing up
myth labs as hard as they can and maybe just
driving past the stanky, old large cannabis growing operation and
not worrying about them.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
So much.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
I mean sounds like this one was getting so stinky
that someone had to do something about it, just purely
for just purely for the amount of smell that was
going on. I mean December last year three cannabis grow
houses were discovered in South Auckland and police these three
hundred parts. So how much resources are going towards this?

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (45:26):
And are you happy about that? I mean a lot
of people would say, well, cannabis does damage. They believe
cannis does damage, and it is illegal and the police
need to, you know, shut things down that are against
the law, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
But there's only so much resource that the police have,
right and whether they should be putting that resource into
I don't know, methamphittamine or are the crimes that we
would probably consider more serious. But it was only a
couple of years ago that they spent millions on spraying
cannabis crops and the helicopter. I'd love to know if
does anyone know if the cannabis helicopter is still operating? Oh,

(46:00):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Keen to hear your views. How do you feel about
these cannabis busts these days? Should that re source be
allocated elsewhere it.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Is feeling Are you feeling casual about cannabis or you
still think it's a blight on society that needs to
be smashed up, a stinky blight on society and we
need to be going hard on it nicely.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
So let's get into it. It is thirteen pasts two.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Wow your new home of afternoon talk Matt and Taylor
Afternoons Call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty youth Talk,
sai'd be.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Very good afternoon to you. And we're talking about the
police resource when it comes to cannabis operations on the
back of what looks to be quite a significant cannabis
bust in three Kings in Auckland. Is that money well
spent when we know the police just do not have
the funds to be able to do everything. Should that
money go into, for example, more myth operations rather than cannabis. Oh,

(47:00):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
I didn't know. I mean a lot of cannabis seems
to be getting more and more mainstream, and yet we're
smashing up operations. Maybe you agree with that. Let's go
to Dave yet.

Speaker 13 (47:11):
I Dave, Hey, good afternoon fellas.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
What are you reckon about these cannabis bus waste of money?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (47:20):
Absolutely, mate, absolutely, Look, you know we're we're we're wasting
our resources, police resources on on a on a plant
that's been on the earth for forty fifty thousand years.
It's not going to go away, you know, it grows
in the ground, just like you know it's legal to

(47:41):
go and buy opening poppies from the local garden center.
Those things that grow, you know, meant with far far
beer off to focus our energy and resources on man
made as like pant you know, and those sort of things.
Been worrying about something that's been growing on the earth

(48:02):
for thousands of years, It's just it's a it's a
waste of time to waste the money, and it's really
an asinine argument to try and convince, you know, to
tell people that they can control it. It's uncontrollable.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Would you would you would you push for a complete
complete legalization of cannabis, Dave? Was that what you would
like to see.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Kind of scent?

Speaker 11 (48:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (48:28):
I look, just to put a bit of context, I'm
not a I don't grow it. I don't, I don't
I have smoked it. I'll be straight up, but I'm
not a you know, I'm not a user to say,
I just I like to think of myself as a realist.
And you know, there's the more conservative members of our

(48:49):
community and other communities around the world would say that
it's a gateweight drug. It's not a gateway drug. I
mean it's a substance. It's a plant that has a
has a site active chemical on it. Like there are
about one hundred and fifty plants on the planet that
have psychoactive compounds in them. Nutmeg has a psychoactive compounded.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Well, I had a friend. I had a friend, Dave,
who took nutmeg, an excessive amount of nutmeg, and that
really really messed him up. He did it when we
were teenagers and it took him five years to come back.
Nutmeg can do a lot of damage to you. It's
people don't know this, but if you if you pour
a bunch of nutmeg into into a glass, drink it
with some whatever, it can really mess you up.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (49:36):
Absolutely, And there's there's plenty of plants, there's mushrooms that
grow to the ground made that can really mess you up.
Day dura, you know, misculine.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Also, don't mess with datura. Oh my god, no one
messed with datura flowers from the Garden of Hell.

Speaker 13 (49:53):
Yeah, I'm seeing and look, I'm not promoting it. I'm
just saying that in light on this planet, we have
minig mounds and plants that will do you know, have
psychoactive things that will affect you.

Speaker 9 (50:06):
That's just plants, you know.

Speaker 13 (50:09):
Good and bad compounds. But you know why we're wasting money,
our taxpayer money, paying you know, thousand dollars an hour
for helicopter to fly around and bust these operations. I
think we should legalize it, maybe monetarize it even better,
even more, and you know, chase these guys, these instidious

(50:30):
precks that are selling met the other ones.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
I worry.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
I think we can all agree that myth is evil
and we should do everything we can to fight it.
What about cannabis on growing minds, Because I think there's
two problems. I don't think I don't think cannabis is
great for people. I don't think it's great for teenagers.
I don't think it's great for motivation. For teenagers. I
think one of the best arguments against cannabis for young

(50:55):
people is smoking weed makes boring things fun. So you know,
I can think of a couple of flatmates in my
life that would just sit all day smoking weed, watching
in commercials, and they seem to have a really good
time doing it. And that's a problem for getting things
done in your life.

Speaker 13 (51:10):
Yeah, yeah, look that that And to me, it adds
weight to the idea, the concept of legalizing it so
that just like alcohol, you know, and and other substances,
you know, we should we should control it in the
way that it should be available to people. Yes, I
agree with that, but you know, make it so that
it's there's a legal agent for it, and and spend

(51:31):
the money on education. I mean, it's just like alcohol.
We you know, we need to educate our young kids
about drinking. We need to educate about smoking. We need
to educate them about you know, smoking marijuana, because there's
going to be a big chunk of these these kids
that will do it whether we say say no not.
This just makes sure they're fully on as to what

(51:52):
it is, what it does, and you know, and and
and teach them hardcore about the evils of myth and
ice and all those other man made substances.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
So much to be cool, Dave, I appreciate. We've got
to see coming through with you know, this always complicated
complications and this I read this story and I go,
are we're still smashing up cannabis labs. I thought everyone
was okay with cannabis now even though it causes you know,
we admit that it has potential risk. But this police
officer here, the text is police officer here, gangs are

(52:26):
profiting from selling marijuana, cannabis. Gangs also pedal meths profits
are huge. Well, it's illegal, we should continue continue to
police it. So basically what he's saying is that the
people that are growing and selling it are gangs and
that's just furthering their operation. And they'll have some cannabis

(52:48):
in there, they'll have some myth in there. So anything
that's making gangs money is a bad thing and we
should stop it. And you know that, as he says,
well it's illegal, we should continue to pleice it. Because
while something's illegal, then criminal elements are going to be
the people by definition that are profiting from it.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah, I mean, if you can take out the gangs
via you know their cannabis grow operation, and you know
that they are still producing methamphetamine. But that's how you
get them fair enough, Absolutely get that. But I'm just
getting some tecks here. Yes, the police helicopter is still
an operation for cannabis. It does cost a lot of

(53:26):
money to have that operation. That money would be better
spent elsewhere. And I suppose that is where I'm coming from,
is those the crop investigations where they fly that helicopter,
and then the millions that used to be spent on
spraying those crops, perhaps that is best allocated too, focusing
directly on methamphetamine. But keen on your thoughts. So eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's

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twenty two past.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Two, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Good afternoon. We're talking about cannabis operations from a police
point of view. Clearly there is still resource being allocated
to these cannabis bus stups. But we're asked the question,
diod or should they rather be allocating those resources and
money to something that I think we can all agree
is a bit more serious like meth and phtamine. Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
The number to call the six is Matt That was irresponsible.
The supermarket is now going to run out of nutmeg.
That's from John.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
So when I see before that, my friend, you know,
the point was being made that there's lots of plants
that grow on the ground that have psychoactive properties, and
I was talking about nutmeg and a friend of mine
this is a no way to sell nutmeg. What happened
to him? So he mixed up a bunch of nutmeg
and milk, he drank it, he lost consciousness, banged his
head on a toilet, then had to be helped home,

(54:47):
and then looked at the world through like he was
looking through a video camera for the next five years,
and spent most of his time hiding in his parents' attic.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Okay, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
There might have been some other stuff going on in
that brain, and the nutmeg might have been what put
it on, But I certainly I don't think that story
is a good has a good advertising for nutmeg. And
don't get me started on Daytura. Oh yeah, Datsuura is
an evil evil. As I said before, it's flowers from
the Garden of.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Hell, very dangerous. Yeah. Our one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number. Call Tom, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Get a tim Yeah great.

Speaker 9 (55:27):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, gotcha, you're on my frame. What's your thoughts about
the resource on busting these cannabis operations?

Speaker 9 (55:35):
Yeah, Look, it comes.

Speaker 14 (55:37):
Back to the black market aspect of it, because that's
really where the police are. Text came up. It's the
it's the it's the black market that the gangs are
making money on and that's where it should be stamped out.
You know, marijuana has been around for a long time,
and as we know, we can get medicinal marijuana now,

(55:59):
so it's it's used for medicinal purposes. So that's all great,
But it's if they can legalize it somehow, we can
text all out of it, make some money, make make
some more texts out of it, and give it to
the people that can afford it, you know, and then
they can. The kids won't have it because they don't
be to afford it. So it's it's a people that

(56:20):
want it, we're better buy it. Just like cigarettes. Now
there's fifty bucks of packet, so make make marijuana, you know,
one hundred bucks of packets.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
It's an interesting argument, and I guess this is the
argument here a lot of people texting through. You know,
if wood crime still make money on weed if it
was legalized and regulated. I'm in two minds about it,
because if you fully legalize it completely, then there's an
incentive for you know, companies, businesses to advertise it and

(56:49):
sell more and more, you know, grow the market share.
Do we want do we want that? Do we want
more marijuana in more people smoking marijuana?

Speaker 14 (57:00):
Well, it's got to be controlled, just like we do
with cigarettes. We don't see the marketing of that anymore,
so it'll be in the same category. We don't see
too much booze advertising only after ten o'clock a night
or something on the TV, but it's not widespread like
it used to be used to see billboards for booze advertising.
It would be in the same category. So it's just

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sort of cutting out the gangs, cutting out that middle
person that's making a shitload of money out of it.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
You know, do you mind me asking are you a
partaker in the in the leaf?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
No?

Speaker 14 (57:34):
No, no, not for a very very very long time.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, so what do we do, tom? I mean, it
was very close when we held the referendum not so
long ago. Is that do we need to have another referendum?
Is that what we're talking about?

Speaker 15 (57:47):
Yet?

Speaker 14 (57:48):
I think it's a question. It's got to be right.
We're not asking the right question for the referendum, and
that's where it's got to be directed. And it comes
with a lot of things.

Speaker 9 (58:00):
The question.

Speaker 14 (58:01):
You know, you can get the answer from Google these days,
but you've got to ask the right question, and that's
where it comes to. And that goes with with the
for random Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Yeah, I've got this text here that says, if that
growing operation and three Kings smelled so bad they got busted,
can you imagine what it'll be like if everyone starts
smoking it. I've been to California recently and it smells
so bad I will never go back. That is true.
New York City absolutely reeks of marijuana now. And you know,
you know, if you're at a concert and it just
sort of floats past, you go, it's quite a nice

(58:30):
sort of smell, but when it's just everywhere, it actually
becomes quite disgusting. Yeah, it's and yeah, I've been to
California to do it as well. I did this documentary
in Colorado when they were first legalizing and opening up
the marijuana businesses. They when they legalized it over there,

(58:51):
and it was a pretty interesting thing that it did
well for a while over there, and they've had a
good tax and take from it. But I think they're
now starting to see some kind of psychiatric effects of
it as as more and more people smoke marijuana, and
there's some people at least that have have remorse about
the legalization of it. I should look into that a

(59:13):
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Just on the New York question, arguably that might have
improved the smell in New York for a lot of people.
Met I mean, you know, as a city, she's a
funky New York can smell a bit funky in the
middle of New York sometimes.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Yeah, I mean, there are a number of people that
don't have homes and evidently also do not have bathrooms.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, yep, very true. Hey, I've just found some information
from twenty sixteen, so arguably it may have changed somewhat
in the last seven, no nine years. But the New
Zealand Treasury calculated in twenty sixteen that a change in
the legal status of marijuana could reap an additional one
hundred and fifty million dollars in revenue and reduce spending
on drug enforcement by around forty percent, which they estimated

(59:53):
was one hundred and eighty million. So from this they
can conclude that the cost of the current enforcement policy
is over three hundred million per year. That was in
twenty sixteen. That's a lot of dough.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeah, And so you know that the policemen that texted
him for he you know, was saying, because it's illegal,
then we need to bust them because the people that
are doing it, you know, the gangs are growing it
and they're you know, they're making money and that helps
their entire operations. So yeah, I mean, I don't I

(01:00:27):
think it's one of those really really really complicated things. Yeah,
I think, yeah, I just have to think about my
thoughts on this actually.

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products like metham fetamine, or if it is a bit
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Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we are talking about
cannabis operations. Is that resource police resource better spent on
things I think we can all agree are more nefarious
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as with this bust of the Three Kings cannabis growing operation,
it was stinky, very stinky, and that helped people find it, right,

(01:03:42):
that had helped the police find it. So I was thinking,
in my head, is that a great way to get
the gangs, Because if they've got a cannabis operation that's stinky,
the police find them and that helps them shut down.
And our police officer that was saying before that the
gangs will be using some of the money of the
cannabis to help their meth operations, so it's good to
smash them down. So maybe it was a good thing
that they've got the stinky part of their operation. That

(01:04:03):
makes it easy to find what they're doing. But then
someone said here, met him up at a good weed
growing operation. Will have filters and you won't be able
to smell it. That was a that was an average
that that that was a low level one. If it's stinky, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
What they know what they're doing. It's not going to
be stinky, whereas we're amateurs.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's what they're saying. So you know,
you just have a better, better operation there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Okay for smart criminals, is what you said?

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
This one and three King said terrible filters Apparently that
that was the problem. I don't know. I don't know
much about it. I'm not running a a weed growing
operation myself, so you know, I'm learning at the moment
we are, we're all learning how to run a weed
growing operation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
That's right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Hey you can how are you doing.

Speaker 16 (01:04:51):
I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
How are you very good? What's your thoughts about the
cannabis bust ups.

Speaker 16 (01:04:57):
Well, I actually just wanted to speak from my own
experience how it's a gift and a curse. So, you know,
like it saved my life when I was thirteen, but
then it caused a psychosis a couple of years ago,
so it's a really hard one to you know, Like
I have a legal prescription now and I choose not
to use it, and I think legal is the best way.

(01:05:19):
But then when I was thirteen, I wouldn't have been
able to get it legally, and I swear to God
it saved my life.

Speaker 17 (01:05:26):
So you know, how.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Did it save your life? Cat?

Speaker 16 (01:05:30):
Well, it just made me realize that my life wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
That bad, right.

Speaker 16 (01:05:34):
It just put me in that headspace of oh what
do you you know, why are you having problems?

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
This is all right?

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
So it opened the universe up to you and you
saw the bigger picture.

Speaker 9 (01:05:45):
I guess.

Speaker 18 (01:05:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:05:47):
Yeah, Like I honestly call it a gift in the curse.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Because sorry, how you finished? What's the curse part of
it for you?

Speaker 16 (01:05:57):
Well, just the addiction part of it. How when I
am using, I will spend most of my time either
smoking or revoltering getting smoke. Yeah, it's I sort of
wish that I'd never used it in the first place.
But then I feel like what would have happened if

(01:06:18):
I hadn't have used it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
And yeah, and now how was your motivation at school?
So you see, you started smoking cannabis at thirteen? How
did you continue? Did you achieve well at school? Did
you find you had motivation for things in life?

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
No? Not at all?

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Yeah, dropped down to school. Yeah, so I think I
think that is a big problem with cannabis for young people,
is that it SAPs their motivation to succeed. Would you
say it makes boring things entertaining?

Speaker 16 (01:06:50):
Yes? Maybe if I had been able to use it
at school, that might have been all right maybe. Oh, well,
this is amazing. I want to learn about history.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Yeah. I wonder how well you can deal with elgebra
as a teenager whilst high be interesting. The experiments on.

Speaker 16 (01:07:09):
That, I mean as an adult now, Like I love
to get into mathematical things when I'm wasted, right, Yeah,
so you know, like a.

Speaker 19 (01:07:19):
Gift in the curse.

Speaker 16 (01:07:20):
So I don't know where we find I'm just trying
to give my personal experience.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
What do you get do you. Are you smoking marijuana
now often?

Speaker 16 (01:07:30):
No, No, I haven't, but I noticed so I go
for like three to six months without smoking a minute.
I just sort of into this depression thing, and then
I use for maybe a week to sometimes four or
five six weeks, and then I stopped. And I'm on
this pattern, and I'm not sure if I've caused this

(01:07:50):
problem by smoking so much for so long, and also
as a teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
So yeah, I mean that doesn't sound like an addiction
to me. Kat Is that more that you're using that
as almost a medicine for you, that that's how you're
coping with with a bit of a lulling your own
mental health rather than something.

Speaker 16 (01:08:09):
That now it is as an adult, Like I'm forty now,
but this voice does not sound forty.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
I thought you were like that twenty one or something.

Speaker 16 (01:08:20):
Well, thank you, thank you, but you know, like it
wasn't like it is now, say a decade ago for me.
So I don't know whether longtime use has caused this
issue with me. Like I have other mental issues that
they're not they're pretty mild, but I don't know if
that's because of cannabis or not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
You know, are you a functioning member of society generally speaking. Yes, yes,
so you're you're employed and life's pretty.

Speaker 16 (01:08:50):
Pretty un employed. I am starting a business actually at the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Moment, right, So you're looking to be an employer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yes, yes, now my company yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:09:03):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a plant based fires love it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
That sounds like the kind of thing that you might
sell to someone. It's just been smoking marijuana, now, Cat,
how do you get your marijuana when you are on
the you know, when you're in a smoking phase.

Speaker 16 (01:09:19):
So I have a prescription and I use that, but
I find it it's very extensive and it's not as
good as I guess getting.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Yeah, do you feel.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Do you feel concerned at all that the marijuana you
buy illegally, as you know, probably gang related and might
be causing harm across the community in other ways.

Speaker 16 (01:09:47):
To be honest, I've never really thought about it, and
I don't know that sounds bad, but that's the truth.
I've never put that thought in my head of oh
is this I'm just like looking for a high.

Speaker 19 (01:10:00):
I guess and a fix.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Oh well, hey, thank you so much for your call, Cat,
and good luck with your pie business.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah. Absolutely. One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, will get to a few of your texts. Well,
it is seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Said, be good afternoon. It is fourteen to three.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
This enterprise and three kings that you're talking about just
along from nearly four thousand school children on the Mount
Roskill Grammar, Intermediate and primary schools. And I'm guessing there
was no police resources used in tracking it down, only
busting it all. Your callers who want to legalize it,
if they drive a digger and kill your workmate, will
they be liable? I mean, I mean the obvious point

(01:10:44):
to that is, you know alcohol is legal, yeah, and
you can definitely do some damage driving a digger when
you're drunk, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Absolutely. One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.
Good Ay, John, Okay?

Speaker 20 (01:10:57):
How do you want to point out something? Yep, next
teen is a class seed drug. Alcohol is a class
see drug. Marijuana is a class seed drug. Why are
they different? So each different sons?

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Hm hmm, I don't know. I guess someone has written
up the laws to be different for different because they're
very different things. I imagine there's just different ways of
dealing with things. They have different effects on people.

Speaker 20 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I'm just pointing out that are used to Well
are we blunt? Really blunt?

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
I know, I'll laugh at any pun. Sorry sorry, John,
you continue?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Just you go, yep, carry.

Speaker 20 (01:11:46):
I go for an ounce and by the day.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Wow, how did you afford that?

Speaker 6 (01:11:51):
Yep?

Speaker 20 (01:11:53):
Oh it was good makes with the dealer?

Speaker 15 (01:11:55):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Wow? Do you think that affected you? And from what
age are you saying that you were doing that?

Speaker 20 (01:12:01):
John eighteen eighteen, Yeah, yep. The prob im king to
get at is that, well, everything being in Class C,
you know alcohol, next team, you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Know where are used to live?

Speaker 20 (01:12:23):
Up until about four months ago there was a babe
shop at less than fifteen meters from the primary school
m in the area that you're talking about Three Kings.
Oh yeah, well Mount Rascal, Yeah, Mount Rascal. So my

(01:12:44):
question to everybody out there is why if it's all
classes of a Class C, why are there different rules?

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Yeeah, we should look into that. I'm not I'm not
sure why that is. We should look into it. Yeah,
and wh the different rules are?

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
And I just tried to have a look at the
classifications under Class C. I don't think alcohol is a
Class C drug. Things like coding clearly are. But you've
got to go get a pretty description for that. Things
like alcohol that's readily sold across the counter, I don't
believe falls into the Class C category. But we will
get some more information on that. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Announce today is a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
That is a lot. Yeah, that is a a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
It's a poor argument. So naive to think that if
the gangs lost the weed market they'd pack up and
go home. No, they're going to diversify even more into
p and other terrible drugs. That's from Chris this point
of view.

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Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Absolutely right. We'll get back to a few texts on cannabis.
So one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.
And we have been chatting about the resources police resources
that are going into cannabis bust ups. On the back
of a bust up in three Kings, gooday guys saying
gangs will get into meth et cetera if they lose
the weed market. As a stupid argument, there's nothing stopping

(01:17:04):
them from diversifying into flower arranging or cup making, but
they won't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Why can't they go? Legitimates?

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
Is the text?

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Yeah, why can't they said? Former weed industry guy here
managed to get a job doing content for a big
keyw WE firm for five years. Should be legal, should
be able to grow a plant per person like in Thailand.
Take the profit out of it. Weed companies New Zealand
will never be profitable due to the crazy regulations and
the people who we need it lost can't afford that.
People that need it most can't afford that subscription and

(01:17:36):
a turn to the black market. Labor could have legalized
but didn't when they should have. It's an absolute waste
of police money, says this text.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yep, And this one says, getto guys, when do you
ever hear of a weed problem? Saturday night? Weed brules,
weed smokers, assaulting hospital way and ease staff. Never is
the answer. It is just not that big of a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
But the problem is, you know, the counter argument that
you may not see the weed problem unless you've got
a teenage kid and they're just sitting on the couch
watching boring infommercials or boring stuff and being entertained and
you know, not getting on with their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yep, exactly. Thank you very much for all the phone
calls and text great discussion right coming up after three o'clock.
Is quitting alcohol really the only way to lose bally
fat once you hit a certain age. That is the
question we're going to put to you. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you
want to send a text more than welcome nine to
nine to new Sport and where they're coming up. You're

(01:18:34):
listening to Matt and Tyler, Very good afternoon to you.
Great to have your company. As always.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Your new home are instateful and entertaining Talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Sevy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Good up and welcome back into the show. Seven past three.
Just before we move on to the next topic, we've
had so many texts about cannabis that we wanted to
get to a few more.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
This Texas says, where would have paid for the America's
Cup if we'd legalized it? And yachting is better when
you're stoned? Is watching gotting biting in stone or actually
yachting when you're bidding the stone? I don't know if
you'd want Chucky on up on the foils after he's
been on the foils, if you know what I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Saying, Yeah exactly. Well, if you get a boom knocking
you into the ocean, is that good when you're high
on cannabis? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
A's physically We had a text to before that was
saying there on an ounce a day, it is physically
impossible to smoke an ounce a day. Old mate is
telling fairy tales that would be one hundred joints or
more four per hour, even while he's sleeping. The six
is four guys are drunk on alcohol will start a fight.
Four guys stone on weed will start a band. Yeah,
they might, or they might just never get round to

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starting a band. Yeah, there's another one. I'm in my
mid forties. Sorry, that's on to the next topic. Yeah,
look at the damage cannabis has done to the Green Party.
Not one coherent, sensible idea out of a lot of them.
Of course, it causes social harm. Interesting, Yeah, yeah, there
we go. In Canada, pre rolls are five gram so

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an ounce would be sixty four pre rolls. So you're wrong.
That's similar to smoking three packs of cigarette day. It's
hard work, but it is doable. You'd have to build
up a tolerance though. So we're getting conflicting information and
the guy that's smoking an ounce to day, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Cannabis mathematics. But if he could do that, that's impressive
either way.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Someone's saying it's impossible, someone's saying it's possible, but it
will be a lot of hard work to get through it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, it takes a grind to get to that point, right,
Thank you very much for that. And I think the
consensus Matt was that the resources would probably be better
used tackling something like methmfetamine.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Right, Yeah, that's right. This person says, good afternoon, Matt.
Entire meth, cocaine and heroin are far worse than we'd
thank you, Kristin. I think we all agree with that.
But you know, if someone's doing if it's illegal, then
it's hard to tell the police not to do anything
about it. And their point of view is that they're
smashing up growing systems because they're often run by gangs,

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and that is money that's used for the nefurious activity
that gangs it up to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Absolutely right, looking forward to Vin a chat about this.
It's a article in the Herald and the headline is
the science of male middle age spread and how to
get rid of It.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Yeah, so this is about ten pages. It's a big read.
But what I've taken out of it after reading it
a couple of times, because I'm very interested in this
middle aged spread thing, even though I've got a rock
and bod. There's no two ways about it. The effect
of alkhaln weight and it sort of comes down to
if you really want to lose the last of those

(01:21:42):
moves and a last of that fat round the tummy.
Then you're probably going to have to give up alcohol,
and immediately when we said this before, Phil says, if
it's giving up alcohol being a fat bugger forever, I'm
going to remain a fat bugger forever. So when you drink,
your body converts booze into acetate, which has the knock
on effect of turning caibohydrates and protein into fat. And

(01:22:04):
drinking leads to poor food choices with a late night
snacking or rich foods to mop up your hangover. Drinking
also disrupts your sleep, both in terms of quality and quantity,
which according to research published by the Mayo Clinic, can
lead to weight gain. So there's a whole list of
reasons here why if you were, if you were drinking

(01:22:26):
a reasonable amount, you're never actually going to be able
to get word of that fat guts that beer belly.
I mean, it's called a beer belly for a reason.
Is this true? Are you a heavy drinker that's managed
to stay beautifully healthy and spelt and you're rocking a
decent body, or are you a drinker that has running

(01:22:50):
a bit of a podgy rig but think it's worth
it to keep the alcohol going. Oh you go, yeah,
I mean obviously you're a big drinker. Looking at utiland offense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
I yeah, I love a drink. I love a beer,
and look at this body. It worked for me that
I managed to have a really good body even though
I smash the beer is from time to time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Yeah, amazing body.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
I mean, it's so the question here is I think,
and I've never done it myself, so I'm just assuming here.
I think you can have some alcohol and still have
a great body once you get over the age of forty.
But it is the big nights, you know, having the
ten beers on a Saturday night because it's someone's fortie's birthday,
or you go to a wedding and you get pretty

(01:23:34):
tipsy and smashback eight wines because it's a celebration. That
is the behavior. I think that would be almost impossible
to have a flat gut. That is my thoughts on it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
Well, yeah, I mean if it's every now and then,
if it's just when your friend has a wedding and
you have a blowout, then that's probably okay. But I mean,
what is it. I mean, this is the whole thing
and texts coming through. What is the level of alcohol.
And you know, whenever we do these studies, people always
lie about how much alcohol they drink. They'll go to
the doctor. And I've done it before. For some reason,

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we lie to a doctor even though it's private. They
say how much do you drink? And you go, oh,
not much? Like how much would you say in units
a week? Oh? Maybe ten? But what you mean as
ten units three nights a week? You know. So it's
really hard to get legitimate figures on it. But science
says that even you know, a glass of wine with

(01:24:28):
dinner is going to affect your sleep, and not having
a quality sleep makes it harder to stay thin and exercise.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
You're very honest with your doctor. I'd never tell him
I have ten a week. I'd stick around maybe three
to four. And I know I'm not doing myself any
favors here, but I just can't bring myself to say
the doctor, yeah, yeah, I do easily. It does every
couple of days. It'd be like, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Mad, yeah, and I mean my doctor's a Messiper said, so,
I don't know why I'm lying to him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Wait, you a glass of beer and says, do you want
a drink?

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
He's terrible on the booze.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Oh night, ten eighty can you effectively lose weight while
still drinking alcohol? Love to hear from you, You've been successful.
And also that other question that you know if for
a lot of people drinking alcohol or having a beer,
that is one of the joys in life. So is
it worth having somewhat of a dad bad a bit
of a valet if you can enjoy the occasional drink,

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you know, that's the trade off.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
How good looking do we need to be?

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
How rocking do our bods need to be? Is it
better just have to allow yourself to have a few
drinks in life? Yeah? One hundred and eighty ten eighty
your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
It is thirteen past three, back very shortly, good afternoon,
sixteen past three, So giving up the booze? Is that
the only way rarely to lose weight once you get
past the age of maybe about forty.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
Yeah, And if that is the case, would you rather
just like to be a little bit podgy and still
be able to have your drinks? Dave your thoughts on
your dad bod if you've got one.

Speaker 17 (01:25:58):
All right, guys, I've got an anecdote that will cross
over both of the subjects. Okay, when I was forty,
I was a heavy, heavy drinker. I was smoking soarette,
smoking weed, and I was living a hell lifestyle. And
I look back now and I should have had I
should have locked a lot sooner. I got onto a
weight glass diet and I went on a blood type diet,

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dropped thirty kgs, then had a heart attack.

Speaker 6 (01:26:23):
Oh WHOA.

Speaker 17 (01:26:25):
Survived the heart attack because I dropped the thirty kgs.
Right now, I don't drink it all. I don't smoke
at all, but I do smoke cannabis every day. And
I work a really hard physical job and I'm fifty
seven and I'm in pretty good dam shape.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
So do you think that your the heart attack that
you did have was because of the time that you
spent when you were that had that thirty kg's on?

Speaker 17 (01:26:53):
I love, it's nothing to do with it, but I'm
pretty sure it was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Mant right, yeah, right, And you've you've you've managed to
keep that weight off.

Speaker 17 (01:27:03):
Yep. It's a bit of a battle. But I also
do intermitute fasting, so like I've just come off three
day fast and that just just, honestly, it's so good.
I don't know why people aren't taught this in school.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Yeah, so good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Do you in genuine question, Dave, do you smoke cannabis
when you're fasting? That must be pretty difficult.

Speaker 17 (01:27:22):
Yeah, I do, and it doesn't help. But no, mate,
it's just this willpower.

Speaker 11 (01:27:28):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:27:29):
I don't smoke to sit on the couch and vegetate.
I am an active smoker. I've got things to do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I mean that can be for some people who smoke cannabis.
Some go the way of just loading up the PlayStation
and veging out. But some thin go your way, Dave,
where you know they get this energy to do some
houseworker in your case, go for a run or do
some exercise.

Speaker 17 (01:27:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly me, mate. I mean I work
four days, but it's really physical and on the other
days I ride thirty k's on my biat and I'm
usually high.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Yep. Done. All right?

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Hey, think you some for you? Call Dave, and I'm
glad that your health has improved. And thank god you
survive that that heart attack. It would have been terrible
to lose you from this world.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Absolutely, this sticks toss guys. As a regular bear drinker.
All you need to do to lose weight the beer
belly is to swap from standard beer to low carb beer.
Less carbs equal less fat, don't need to change anything
else about your lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
Chairs That's interesting because a lot of people have been
saying that whether it's low carb or not, it affects
your sleep, which can affect your weight. And also you know,
it can slow your metabolism. So whatever you eat, because
the beer is have the alcohols having to be processed
in your body, you don't process your food at the

(01:28:50):
same rate, and your metabolism slows and you put on weight.
So it's a complicated system that we're running inside our
dad bods, Tyler. My doctor told me they always double
what you tell them. My husband sixty eight has a
rock hard body due to walking and biking over two
cas per week. He needs it as I'm bed bound,

(01:29:11):
so he has to live a life that I can't.
I'm so very lucky to have him. A friend said,
it's a wonder he hadn't left me Lowell never, he
never would. He's trustworthy regards. There you go. It's lovely,
lovely text, isn't it. But yeah, I mean, because I
was saying before that, you know, I like to my
doctor when he asks me how much I drink and

(01:29:32):
I don't know why I do it, And it sounds
like doctors are wise to that and double.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
It and there is smart people. Yeah, Lauren, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:29:41):
Not bad?

Speaker 18 (01:29:41):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Dead bods talk to us.

Speaker 18 (01:29:44):
Well, I just wanted to share with you something that
I have on my fridge that I found a number
of years ago. The said life isn't all about arriving
at the early gates with a perfectly groomed body. It's
all about arriving there with it. Bring him one hand,
a bar of chocolate in the other, saying, what right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
That's great your fridge.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
Do you think Saint Peter does Saint Peter let you
in with with the chocolate bar in one hand and
the drink and the other.

Speaker 18 (01:30:11):
Oh, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Thank you for your call. So basically, what you're saying
is that life is here. Life is to be enjoyed.

Speaker 18 (01:30:21):
That's right, Yeah, I got one enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
So you almost feel sorry for those people with immaculate bodies, Lauren.
You look at them and think your life must be
miserable because you haven't had a tim tam in about
fifteen years.

Speaker 18 (01:30:33):
Oh God, And I do drink occasional love it a
nice philosophy, Thank you very much, Lauren.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Guys, I drink Friday and Saturday at minimum twenty to
thirty drinks, and I'm lean and healthy and I'm thirty
two years of age.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
Yeah, get back to us when you're forty two years
of age.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
You wait, mate, you wait. It's like a freight train
that catches.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
But you know, one of my best mates, he drinks
a lot. I'm not going to name him, but he
drinks a lot, and he's so skinny. He is outrageously skinny.
But when we go out for lunch, and you know,
I get to a pub for lunch most weekends, he
can't get through. I've stopped ordering chips with my with
my meal because he never eats his chips. He's just

(01:31:19):
calibrated not to He's got some kind of tiny little
tummy where he can't eat much food. But he definitely
bucks the trend of what the study is saying, because
the study is basically saying, if you want to lose,
you want to lose those last bits of your dad bod,
that last bit of guts, you have to give up alcohol.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
Is he pretty true for my buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Is he pretty hardcore on the exercise as well? Was
this one of those brinks who run fifty kDa?

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
No, he's I don't think I've ever seen him run.
I don't say I don't think I've seen him get
above a walk. I've definitely he's never done a single
bit of exercise in his life. Get there felling down
to a lamb. He needs to be studied there. He
was a decent batsman. Back in the day. We used
to call them healthy because he had always had a
healthy skin and a score, not because he was a
healthy person.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear from you if you've managed to
lose significance amount of weight and still drink and later
life over the age of forty keen on your stories.
It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on
used talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Very good afternoon to you. Some great techs coming through
about the way to a flat belly. If you're still drinking, you, hey.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
You guys are obviously not drinking enough. All the true
alcoholics I've known are built like racing sadines. They only
drink and don't eat. Cheers Paul. Yeah, so there is
the there is that other side of it where you're
completely focused on alcohol and not food at all, where
you can stay skinny. But I don't think that's necessarily
the zone you want to live in. Yeah, you know,

(01:32:52):
there's other problems there. This Texas says I have six
daily and I'm lean and healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Wow, congratulations to you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
Yeah, well that's well done.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
I'm proud of you. Tesus Is. Guys, I'd had tried
July once and thought I would lose weight. No, it
was a waste of a month for me. It is
just about calories and calories out using my food track,
I like my fitness Pal.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
Giving up alcohol saved my life going through three nasty cancers,
as it meant everything else was working properly according to
my doctors. There you go, and we've got another doctor
coming through and said that, you know, because I was
talking about how people lie, including myself, to doctors when
they ask how much they drink. We don't know why
we do it, but we do it. And this is
another doctor. One doctor takes it through in city that
they double it. This one says they triple the amount.

(01:33:34):
Then the one says it's right. You say, I have
about maybe six drinks on a Saturday night, and they're
like eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Sharon, how are you okay?

Speaker 19 (01:33:49):
Hey, I'm back in twenty fifteen, I was fifty four.
When I turned fifty, I was determined to start working
out for.

Speaker 13 (01:33:57):
The first time in my life.

Speaker 19 (01:33:58):
Let's go to the gym maybe five times a week
for an hour at a time. And I was in
okay condition, but I was eating and you know, drinking
three or four drinks night every night, and I decided
I just wanted to drop five kilos to be perfect,
and so I just went on the low carved sub
twenty grams of calves a day and still drank those

(01:34:20):
three or four every night, but switched from wine to
spirits which have calories but no calves, right, most of them.
And I continued working out and did some pretty heavy
resistance work and I got in perfect shape. So I
was fifty four years old and I was in outstanding condition.
Lost that five kilos and it was great. It's just

(01:34:41):
hard to stay off the calves, right, I'm still drinking
the three or four a night, but staying off the
calves is the hard part.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
So you so you into what vodka or something?

Speaker 19 (01:34:53):
Did you Canadgian subs my choice support?

Speaker 9 (01:34:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:34:59):
Yeah, But so it's possible. I think if you're doing
sub twenty grams of calves a day and you've got
to have a minimum I think fourteen hundred calories in
total for that key tota's effect to kick in where
you are burning, you know, where your body's burning for
energy instead of.

Speaker 17 (01:35:19):
Using carbs for energy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Was that, Sharon?

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
This is the study here is saying that you know,
any you know and even one drinken night affix your sleep. Adversely,
how do you sleep? You sleep all right on your
was it? Did you say four a night?

Speaker 9 (01:35:35):
Three or four?

Speaker 20 (01:35:36):
I go into it.

Speaker 13 (01:35:36):
I go into a toba.

Speaker 5 (01:35:38):
I go.

Speaker 19 (01:35:39):
I have no trouble sleep and go to sleep. But
you know, maybe ten o'clock and I set the alarm
for full fifteen every morning, and it's no problem. I
sleep all the way through, no trouble getting to sleep,
and no problems staying asleep.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
And that's that's quality sleepers it, Sharon? You wake up,
you know, white eyed and bushy tails.

Speaker 14 (01:35:59):
You know, I worked ten eleven hours a day, run
a big.

Speaker 19 (01:36:02):
Business, you know, and seem to be reasonably sharp as mine,
and you deserve Sharon.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Thank you for thank you for sharing, Sharon. I appreciate
that it's bright eyed and bushytail, doesn't it? I said,
wide eyed and bushytail, wide eyed and bushytail kind of
bright eyes the sixes. I'm fifty seven and I drink
at least twelve beers a night. I have no beer
belly at all, but I have an active job in life.
If I have a night with where, I can't if

(01:36:29):
I have a night with none, I thought they said,
if I have a night with a none and I
can't sleep. If I have a night with none, I
can't sleep on the full cream beer, not the skinny
low car beer. We aren't all built the same. That
is so true in a turdy words. So this thing
with read has said, if you want to lose the weight,
you have to cut the alcohol. But the anecdotal evidence
is piling in on our text machine of nine two

(01:36:51):
nine two of people that are slamming the booze and
have rock and bods.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
I want to see that guy, though, fifty seven, he's
knocking pick twelve beers a knife for cream beers as
he says, no way, no way, have you got rock hard.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
Ed he's sleeping with nuns? No he no, Yeah, got
the wrong Yes, I said yeah, No. He did spell
it some nice he has none. Yeah, that's what confused me.
Spelled none mu in Oh on one hundred ten eight.
My dirty mind did the rest?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear your story if you've managed to lose
weight while still been on the booze, Love to hear
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Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about an
article which has headlined the science of male middle age spread,
the middriff and how to get rid of it. It
is an in depth article, but effectively it says, if
you're over the age of forty, the only way to
lose the dad bod and the beer belly is to
give up beer and alcohol.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Sexas says, have you guys heard of skinny fat? I
certainly have. I've got a friend that's quite skinny, a
different one from the one I was talking about. But
we went swimming recently when we're on a holiday, and
he's quite skinny, but his nipples were down there as
belly bud right as opposed to the shapely pet. So
I bought to the party. So you can. You can
be skinny and sort of just droopy and sort of

(01:39:29):
run a bit of a mister Burn's body, can't you.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
When I started going to the pub at sixteen, I
used to look at the old buggers with huge red
hooters and bellies so big they can't see their manhood
and wished, I can't wait to look like them. Well,
I've achieved that. They've been a different way than I
thought it was going to go. Honestly, if your gold
in life is to have a huge belly and a
red hooter of a nose, then that is a very

(01:39:54):
achievable goal. You're setting yourself a realistic goal here, had
it's not hard to end up that way.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
This stixasires afternoon lads. I've recently gone from ninety eight
kilograms to mid eighties without giving up my five to
six beers night and more on the weekends, losing eleven
centimeters around my waist, which is scary when you hold
the tape up. Now, I go to the gym and
run every day and have been making bitter food choices.
I'm not calved from granite, but happy worth my rag.

(01:40:22):
Forty year old male you go.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
The sixer says, I drink a dozen seven percent long
whites every day after work, and I've got a perfect
athletic bod. On top of that, I have eight codines
every morning. Have done this for thirteen years with no problems. Less, bless, bless.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
That is a hell of my life, this full noise.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
Alive A dozen long whites a night. So you just
come home and chew through a dozen long whites and
then the codines in the morning. How many eight? Like
I'm struggling to follow the plot of White Lotus enough
without a dozen long whites confusing things. Sitting on my couch, Jason,
how are you, mate?

Speaker 21 (01:41:02):
Oh yeah good, I'm a Vitnam shot though most of
your audience are a bunch of raving alcoholics.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Now, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
I'm surprised how the discussion's gone. I thought we were
going to get a lot of people going. I gave
up alcohol. I gave up alcohol is the best thing
that ever happened. But we haven't got that.

Speaker 21 (01:41:18):
Yeah, if you're drinking four or five booze beers a night,
or drinks or wines or bourbons or whatever you're having,
you're an alcoholic. It's just how it is, you know.
But yeah, I mean I stopped drinking a year and
a half, a year and a quarter ago, m h.
And nothing happened for three months. I stopped drinking and
started eating really good, and it was three months before

(01:41:39):
I dropped any weight at all. And then it just
fell off. Ten KOs just fell off. Wow, as it
took three months from my So, when you think of
a liver, think of every cell as a mouse running
on a wheel. And when you're living badly and eating
and drinking too much, and one of those little mouses

(01:42:02):
turns into a fat cell, and after you've got enough
fat cells, your liver becomes useless and you can't lose weight.
So it's really hard to lose weight when your liver
is not in good condition. And if you're drinking a lot,
your liver is not in good condition.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
So, Jason, do you go out much as a sober person.
Do you go out to social occasions, out to i know,
gigs or whatever.

Speaker 21 (01:42:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean not all the time,
a little bit, but I just drank soda wa soda
water and pineapple. Jason. It's just the same. Your body's
quite happy, you feel like you're having a drink.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
And yeah, because I find I find Jason. When I'm
sober and I'm out, it's I can entertain myself and
if I'm at a band or something, I can enjoy it.
But it's the drunk people, which is hypocritical of me
because I've definitely been a punisher on the booze myself.
But I find it very hard to deal with the

(01:42:54):
people that have been drinking because all the social norms
go out the window. The yelling in your face, they're
on repeat. So I actually find that the hardest part
of being sober and out and about socializing.

Speaker 21 (01:43:06):
Yeah, that's there's definitely. But you know, you know, alcohol
is a poison and if you drink it straight, you die,
so you know, I mean, just you drink just pure alcohol,
it's like you'll die. So yeah, there's no question that
it's not good for you. And having it in moderation well,
you know, how can you have something that's bad for
you and moderation and then it'd be good for you?

Speaker 11 (01:43:28):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
So was there was there a catalyst to you? Jason? Yeah? Yeah,
give up the bruises.

Speaker 21 (01:43:34):
I was a good thing North one day. I was
driving up North one day with a bit of a hangover,
and I'm like, you know what, I'm done with us
to finish?

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
What happened the night before? Was it was? It was
it the anxiety that you were feeling them, with the
with the.

Speaker 21 (01:43:49):
Just a dry mouth and you know, and I'm like,
you know what, I'm sick of the ship.

Speaker 18 (01:43:52):
I'm not having anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
We've all been there, well most of us, I think,
and and and.

Speaker 21 (01:43:56):
So you while you're liver to get in shape, because
don't underestimate that, Like.

Speaker 20 (01:44:02):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
Are you in shape now? Jason? You you've you've did
you play? Did you keep losing weight or did you plateau?
And you're happy with how you are now?

Speaker 21 (01:44:14):
Definitely all the time. Right, you see lots of people
at the gym working really hard and not losing weight.
It's because you're drinking.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Yeah, yeah, all right, thank you. This that is exactly
what the study has said yeah, but the text machine
is just full of people claiming that they have, you
know whatever, twelve times seven beers are a week, and
that they're basically running the body of Brad Pittner's prime.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
We need photos if you if you're smashing back twelve
beers a night and you reckon you've got a surfboard abs,
then we need photos.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Well, we need video evidence of the twelve long whites
a night, and then and then the rock and bite
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Exactly, Morris, you reckon?

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
You?

Speaker 9 (01:44:57):
Hey, Morris good. We had a few whiskys a few
weeks ago for someone who sees alcohols bad, but it
was very good. Whiskey head top of the line and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Are you sure that this is days and it's just
been on the line. That's that we're not castings at
the wrong person.

Speaker 9 (01:45:13):
No, No, I know whose words. I just got off
the phone before he rug you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
Classic small world, New Zealand, and he's been hoover.

Speaker 22 (01:45:24):
I go to pub Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, and in
Sundays is the big what we ever told? We have
staid three nights before I had my hert's done. I
was knocking on one hundred and twenty kilos and everyone's
it's the alcohol.

Speaker 9 (01:45:37):
So I cut it out, got my hert's done. But
it wasn't the alcohol. It was just lack of exercise.
And so I'd probably walk I don't know, around the
farm and all that and do it and walked down
the beach to the dog. But I'm sitting on ninety four.

Speaker 22 (01:45:48):
I don't have a beer belly, but I'm not I'm
not over wait to say, because of one of my
five team five eleven ninety ninety one, ninety tw kilos
up and down a couple of kilos, and I just
don't think.

Speaker 9 (01:45:59):
It's that bad for you. But what I've noticed a
is you get older, the more you drink, the more
affects your hairs on you. You know, you've better a hangover. Yeah,
just one of th beirds you got to hangover. And
so what I think, well, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:46:09):
So nowadays, what I do is that I bring a
whole lot of water. I want to get o because
they are at the doors sort of game to get
them an upset. And we only have one good session
a week on Sunday, which generally starts at nine in
the morning, and the other about ten at night. But
other than that, I think it's up to each individual.
And I don't think you know, I don't. Some people
put on evil weight to some people don't. I'm going

(01:46:30):
to make these quite overweight. He doesn't drink bugger all.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Yeah, fair enough to Morris, Thank you very much. And
as you say, two degrees of separation busted, Jason.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
I love that thing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:41):
I for you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
Cor Morris. Hey, guys, I'm a qualified nutritionist here. I
think people think too much about calories in and out
rather than what is actually nutritionally good for our bodies. Yeah,
you can have some beers if it fits into your
daily carries calories and not gain weight, but you could
have to have you should have two nutritional dense meals
that can actually fuel your body instead. Not to mention

(01:47:02):
the fact that alcohol can contribute to building around the organs.
Not to mention the inflammation alcohol causes. I had I
throw this in my hips, cut out alcohol and it's
complete legal.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Yeah, great, TEGs. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number call love to hear your thoughts on giving
up alcohol when it comes to weight loss. It is
eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Have a chat with the Lads on eighty eighty Matt
and Taylor afternoons News Talk zed.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
B News Talk z B. We are talking about the
dead bod and giving up alcohol when it comes to
weight loss, have you managed to do it while still drinking?

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 23 (01:47:42):
Get Andrew Kiddy, guys, a little bit of perspective. I'm
fifty nine, I'm five for eight and six months ago,
I weighed one hundred and seven kgs. I was drinking
a bottle of red wine a night. One night I
drank bottles. I drank two bottles of red wine and mean, shit,

(01:48:03):
this is kind of stuff. So I put myself onto
a weekly allowance of two.

Speaker 13 (01:48:10):
Bottles of red wine a week. I buy them on Monday.

Speaker 23 (01:48:14):
If I drink one on Monday and drink one on
Tuesday and not allowed anymore until Monday. If I wait
till the weekend, that's fine. But I allow myself two
bottles of red wine a week. I'm now ninety two kgs.

Speaker 21 (01:48:27):
Nothing else has changed.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
Wow, So that's twelve kg's did you say you were?
What were you?

Speaker 8 (01:48:32):
You?

Speaker 13 (01:48:33):
Un and seven?

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
It's fifteen and that's all you've done.

Speaker 13 (01:48:38):
Yeah, and an actual fact. The doctor was worried about
it and has run a whole.

Speaker 23 (01:48:45):
Raft of tests to see make sure there's something else wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Well, that's good. And are you sleeping better? Because that's
the study talks a lot about just any amount of
alcohol or you know, a couple of wines a night
will really mess up your sleeping. So you're sleeping bitter Andrew.

Speaker 13 (01:48:58):
No, I don't think I am.

Speaker 21 (01:48:59):
Actually, I don't think there's much difference.

Speaker 13 (01:49:02):
And then there's the beef. There, there's nothing.

Speaker 23 (01:49:05):
There's not much difference to anything else except for.

Speaker 13 (01:49:09):
The fact that I've lost a lot of weight.

Speaker 21 (01:49:11):
I've had to go out and buy a whole new
bunch of clothes.

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
Right, And are you putting the lid back on the
wine and like having two glasses a night, one glass
next night, that kind of thing.

Speaker 23 (01:49:22):
No, No, when a bottle's open, it's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
You're the same as me.

Speaker 23 (01:49:29):
You won't find the half drunk bottle of wine in
my house mate.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
You're a good man, Andrew, Thank you very much. There
you go, a couple of techs to wrap this one up. Afternoon, lads.
I've recently gone from ninety eight kilograms. Actually, I've done
that one, guys, I actually have a function on tonight.
I'll drink low car beers, but I'm just going to
go drive to KFC to get a couple of bits
of chicken to lie my stomach. I'll worry about losing
weight tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
Okay, put that off to tomorrow, and then put that
off tomorrow, and then tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. There
you go. Yeah, yeah, sweet as well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
According to to the text machine, apparently you can lose
weight while still smashing a quite a large amount of alcohol.
I don't know if I believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
Yeah, well, anecdotally it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Yeah, anecdotally, exactly right, Thank you very much. It is
twelve minutes to four, right, coming up very soon, a
sad news overnight the death of Valkilma at the very
young age of sixty five. So a bit of a
tribute to Valkilma coming up very shortly. It is twelve
minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons Usedtalk ZEDB Newstalgs.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
EDB nine to four.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
So Hollywood active. Welkima passed away this week at sixty five.
He was an incredible actor who, by his own admission,
was hard to work with at times. He will remembered
for many iconic roles that have earned him a spot
as one of the most interesting and varied activists of
his generation. Here are my top five Valkima performance is
to celebrate the great man.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Number five, Oh, come on, John, It's just a word, Jim,
don't you change your name to uh Sydney or Irving
Man's area.

Speaker 6 (01:51:08):
It's just rude man, my words.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
I don't care.

Speaker 6 (01:51:12):
This is jam.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
There you go as Jim Morrison and a Lot of Stones.
The Doors from nineteen ninety one, a weird, factually inaccurate
movie held together by Kilmer's portrayal of that troubled but
charismatic Jim Morrison. The soundtrack personally introduced me to the Doors,
and I've loved the band ever since.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Number four, Well, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
You, darlin kid, You're no We're in a bustle, How dude,
come on?

Speaker 6 (01:51:37):
How do you win a out?

Speaker 5 (01:51:38):
God?

Speaker 6 (01:51:38):
Damn it? Why Bailey look like Abell related to burst?
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
Doc Holiday Valkima is Doc Holiday in the ninety ninety
three gritty Western tombstone. Kilmer's performance as the hard drinking
doctor was the highlight of the film, and it's snubbing
by the Oscars diminishes the standing of the Candemy Awards
to this day. In my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Number three, we nailed that set of a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
You guys really are cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
What's your problem, Kazinski.

Speaker 8 (01:52:05):
You're everyone's problem.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
It's because every time you welcome the air, you're unsafe.

Speaker 8 (01:52:10):
I don't make you because you're dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:52:12):
Oh, what a great movie. As Iceman and Top Gun
nineteen eety six and again and Top Gun, Maverick the cocky,
arrogant nemesis of Tom Cruse who ultimately ended up being
his wingman. Val looked great playing volleyball, topless and jeans,
and I challenge anyone to watch his performance in the
sequel without crying, deploying his real life battle with lung
cancer to devastating emotional effect. Number two, Yeah, there you go.

(01:52:43):
Valkima is a rogue but handsome and lovable member of
the High Screw in nineteen ninety five is good guy,
bad guy cop drama Hate one of the best movies
ever and just a stellar a supporting performance from Val
in that one. But look before we go to number one.
I must mention his performance as the bad guy whose
name I can't say on zb and one of the stupidest,
most endurable movies of all time twenty tens mcguy verasapoof MacGruber.

Speaker 24 (01:53:09):
But here we go, Here we go, number one, your
fat mat Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Vow's greatest performance for me will always be his first
ever performances niked Evers in the hilarious nineteen eighty four
Zucker Brothers war comedy Top Secret. The dude was seriously
good looking back then and displayed incredible comic chops for
a man on debut. I watched this movie every day
after school for most of my childhood. Rop Vlcomer, Gone

(01:53:49):
too Soon, but you will be remembered as one of
the greats.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Yeah, that's lovely. Right now, before we finish up, you
were down in christ Church, Matt and you've got a
vent tonight at the Beautiful Too Danger in christ Church,
the library there, and they have extended the venue and
released a few more tickets, but they've almost sold out.
You don't have to. You think you've just got a register,
but there's a handful left, so get in early. You

(01:54:12):
need to go to Humanitics dot com and just search
Matt Heath and you will find the event. It is
about your book of life list punishing thirteen ways to
love the life You've got and you're gonna have a
nata worth adventurer and explorer and all round good bugger
Mattie Jordan as part of that chat, Matt, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
We here down now, so see you for signing at
five thirty. Oh my book very much sis. What about Batman? Yeah,
well he was an also around Batman. It didn't make
my top five. It didn't make the top five best
for Welcomo performances.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Would have made the top ten though, maybe. Yeah right,
thank you very much for today. Really enjoyed it. Matt.
Go well tonight and we'll see your back up here tomorrow. Blessed, blessed, blessed,
Give me a taste a kiwi see you then.

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