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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm your guest host Grant Smith, filling in for Benjamin
Albright as he covers the NFL Combine from Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We will be joined by our very own wet blanket.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
At about seven thirty tonight, And here with Nick Ferguson,
who's got a snazzy shirt on today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yes, it's my black history shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh I like it.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, No, little black and gold else.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yes, And that voice you hear right now, the Hall
of Famer Steve Atwater.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
How are you, Steve Hey? Doing pretty good? Doing pretty good.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'll be better once I have a better idea what
we're going to do in this draft. But you know, Hey, yes,
I got to wheel everybody else.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, there's a lot of rumors circulating around the combine
right now. As as I said before, Ryan and Ben
out there, And did you see the story of Rob
Gronkowski coming to the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That's he pretty much shut it down today.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We do from behind the scenes, just talking to Ben
and Ryan yesterday that that story was a lot of bs.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But Gronk kind of spiked it down today.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And I really I like the I like how they
did it though. I like the that commercial with with
he and Sean oh.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah from the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. Yeah,
that was that was great. That was so funny. Yeah, uh,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
But to come up with that narrative was kind of crazy.
He's been out the league for several years and.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, he's he doesn't even look like the same guy.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Almost a joker. You don't think Gronk is a joker.
He was a joker, he ain't anymore. He may be
a joker, like technically he called that a court gesture.
There you go.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, that's funny though, because this time of the year
we hear all sorts of information that is alleged when
it comes to these prospects who are going to start
working out tomorrow in Indy. And this is what the
Fish through Lion season, where people started telling lies and
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that was no, no, no, not wrong on Lion Lion.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
He told the damn lie, right. And when the news that.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Information came out about Gronk making the comeback, the first
thing I looked at it, I said, well, let me
look at it, check some valuable sources. And when Ian
Rapperport was just like, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There, yeah, when she shuts it down, you pretty much
know there's no truth.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
So I had fans kind of you know, when you
go out and buy the city, people see you and
they ask you questions. And one of the questions is like,
why would someone say that something is when it isn't.
And I say, well, in all fairness, we are in
the information business, and some people try to get out
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front of information before anyone else. But I was always
taught by the great James Brown and CBS that you
want to make sure that you're right, that that you
the first that you're right. Well, but we live in
a world now that it's clickbait. Everyone's trying to get
out there. So Greg is not coming to Broncos.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Here's that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Here's the I have the audio actually from that Super
Bowl bit they did a couple of years ago, Sean
Payton and Rob Gonkowski.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
How did we both end up in an orange tie
and blue suit? I swear I sent my gray so
soon to my doing this, it's probably a little over
the top.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I got.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I got a job at the Broncos for you no
training camp.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You're eight touchdowns shy of one hundred touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I think I can get you that and it might
be able to talk to the Walton Pinner family about
calling us the Denver grunk Guys, guys, we need to
pick hurry up picking the Bronco.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
No, they need the game picks.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Eagles by seven. I've got the Eagles by ten. Kurt
back to you. I did love that bit. Yeah that
was so good. Oh man, ye Nicoles the grog goes.
I like that. Yeah, Hey, Sean Payton, you know they may.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Listen to him if that was a real possibility. But
as we know, no truth to that statement. And Cronk
himself speaking about it today, What was your experience like
at the combine?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was it was good. Yeah, Yeah, I had a
good experience.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I mean I didn't run as fast as I wanted
to run, but you know, that's you know, that's a
part of it. But yeah, I had a good experience,
you know, a good I enjoyed meeting with the different teams.
I enjoyed, you know, getting connect with some of the
players who.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
You know, competed against me.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, competed against uh, you know, seeing I didn't compete
a lot, I guess a lot of them, but I
you know, I had heard of them. I've seen them
play and just getting to see what kind of guys
they were that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, Nick, what was your experience like? It was really click?
I was who I had to give you all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I was like, I got back, I backpatter just like that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But I continue it on that, I think, at least
in my personal opinion, and I don't want to take
anything away from the people that put a lot of
stock into the combine, but I think there's too much
noise around it.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I believe personally.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You put the tape on and you see how players
play in an actual game setting.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What's what's your.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Take on Do you think there's too much noise around
the combine or do you think it's just another tool
that they can use to evaluate players.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I definitely think it's a great tool to have everyone
there together where you can kind of compair apples apples
to apples right there. And obviously you know it's going
to be some differences once the actual game starts. Once
the game start, but I think it gives you a
good comparison to see just at one time. You know
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how smart guys are, you know how well they pick
up offensive defenses. You know what kind of hustle they have,
what their history has been like. You know a lot
of times you want to know where they've been. You know,
are they hungry? Are they are?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
They?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Are they not hungry? And everybody's gonna tell you they're hunger.
Everybody's gonna tell you they love football. But you gotta
you gotta dig deep to find out those because some
people want to get to.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
The league down. I want to play football anymore. Right,
they had there for the paycheck. Yeah, they just there
for the Yeah. Did you get any weird questions?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Like because we had ran Ryan Harris on KA Sports
last week and he said a team asked him if
he loved his mother or father more? And of course
we know the des Bryant story from a couple of
years ago. Did you get anything where you're like, I
can't believe that these guys are asking me these questions.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Ah, you know what, it was so long, I don't
I don't even remember nothing bad enough to stick around. Yeah, yeah,
but I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I don't think I got asked anything that was outlanders
where I said WHOA what?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes, we didn't. I don't know where You're like, I'm
gonna have to square up with these dudes. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I had the good The process was was pretty pretty
smooth for me. And again it was it was enjoyable
because you know it was it was cool because I
got a chance to interact with a lot of other
guys again who I kind of admired, and you know,
got a chance to meet them and.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, see what kind of people they are.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
You know, the best thing about the combine, even though
I've never been there, but it's just a piggyback of
what Steve said is that you get a chance to
put guys from kind of the Matt Conference or or
the ACC in the same room with guys from the
Big ten and the SEC and you get a chance
to look across the room and not just size of
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guys up from measurable standpoint, but watch him go out
and work, watch him go out and compete. And Steve
is right, a lot of these guys because they've been
fine tuned. They've been groomed coming up to this point.
As far as preparation for the interviews, like when the
team ask you something, you want to make sure that
you continue to say that everything you do is about
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the game right, because it seemed like that's perfect, that's
exactly what they want to hear. We know that there's
not a lot of guys who are really about the
life of making the sacrifices to play this game, because.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We've seen it. Steve has seen it at this time,
and I've seen it in my time.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Once some guys get to the NFL and they get
that money in their pocket, the desire that they had
to drive to get there, it now starts to diminish.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, So I saw it happened in college.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
One of my buddies. We both went to Arkansas, we
both were from Missouri, and we rolled down on our
we went to move all our stuff down.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
We've rolled down together.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And man, it was I want to say, in our
second year and all steets He's like, man.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm done. I don't want to play football anymore. I'm like,
what did they give you a reason? He just said
he was sorry. He just playing football. Yeah, And I
just can't believe I've never seen anybody.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Do that before. And then as as you played the.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Game a while and you see the effort that guys
give you, I got he bro, you don't want to
play football.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Right, at least he was honest about it, right, you
wantn't you know, messing around?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
But yeah, that was that was my first time really
understanding that that not everybody loves the game.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And the reason that that happens sometimes is that when
you were in Pop Warner football, you may be the
best guy in Pop Warner.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You get to high school, you're the best guy in
high school.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You get to college and you realize there's a lot
of good guys in college, and then once you get
to the pros, you look around and you're like, whoa wow.
You start questioning, doubting yourself because now you have moved
from an amateur level to a professional level where you're
competing against grown men who have mortgages, they got kids,
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they have boys. Some guys have a wife and a girlfriend.
So that's a lot of president just because your imagine
walking into one of those rooms as a as a
young player, looking around the room and you see a
guy like Steve Atwater and you're going like, wow, Steve Atwater.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Look well, people.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Looking up to people that were your idols and who
you modeled your game after, and now you're supposed to
be there equal their peer and that's going to be
a hard.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Hurdle to jump in your mind. Yeah, yeah, that that
is tough. That's tough man.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I remember the first day I walked into the building.
I've said this thousand times. The first person I saw,
first player that I met, was Carl Meglenburg.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, and I was like, job god a lion. Well
that's how I feel sitting in here with you, Steve.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm like, damn, I get to host a show with
Steve Atwater the Hall of Famer. Like, some of my
first memories of the NFL my dad. I've told this
to Nick Ferguson before, but my dad was a huge
John Elway fan. Like his whole family were Browns fans
coming from Ohio, right, he was a big John Elway guy.
So some of my first memories are of the Super
Bowl teams in ninety eight, ninety nine. So now I'm
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in here with you, and I'm like, damn, what a
cool moment here with the Hall of Famer Steve Atwater.
Like I remember being seven eight years old sitting in
front of the TV like.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Did he just hit him that hard?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And now I'm like sitting across from the from the desk,
rum you man.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It really cool. He aged me a little bit, but
you know we are right, Yeah, I was your agent.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That that is kind of what's it about.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Like when I was in Buffalo, Henry Jones was there,
and I remember Henry from those those those Super Bowls,
those Super Bowl runs, and I would just sit across
and I said, I hope you don't think kind of
get weirded out.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I'm just staring. I'm just because I.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Got hearts in your eyes.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
It's kind of a groundbreaking thing because every kid aspires
to get to that point, right, but it's only a
small few that get there, and it's only a small
few that play a long time. So to be in
that room with those guys, he's just like, oh moment,
you got to sit there and you got to soak
it up like you were here. And for me, it
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was a kid. I was a kid that grew up
in the projects. Everything about football, remember those Me and
Joe Green commercially with the Coca Cola. Oh my god,
the kid is Jersey.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And I'm like, now I'm in that space.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
So for a lot of guys competing at the combine,
it's like they got to deal with that, but they
also have to remember it's.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Still a competition. Yeah, what you're there for, it is
still a competition.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
How was that?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
How did you get over that hurdle in your mind
as a you know, you came in, you know, you
weren't a highly touted prospect like a lot of these
people are at the combine. How did you get over
that hurdle in your mind when you were in those
rooms with those guys that you looked up to your
whole life. How did you just get into the mindset
eventually of saying, Hey, I'm here to do a job
and it's my turn to take over the torch, you know,
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to be the next guy, the next Great Broncos safety
in the line of Great Broncos safeties.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
How did you get over that hurdle in your mind?
Being cut a couple of times after you were you're
cut for a couple of times. You have a conversation
with yourself.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And I was just telling my son this earlier today
that you decide whether he figures though this is going
to break for you and open up, or this is
God telling you, you know what, you may want to
try to do something else. And the one thing that
I feel as though it's easy for every.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Single person to do right. Just like Steve talked about
his buddy, you just wake up and you quit. That's
the easy thing you do. You just wake up and quit.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
But it takes more for a person to see something
that you want and you fight for it. And that
was the thing being cut and saying, you know what,
I'm gonna make this team. And every time I did that,
I got closer. I got closer, and I got closer.
Then I ran into Wave Phillips and the dam broke
for me. That's how it happened.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And you were good at every other level too, So
you knew that.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I plain matter of the opportunity, just waiting for your shot.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's think about any of us or anyone in any
walk of life.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
All you need is someone to believe in you to
give you a shot.
Speaker 8 (14:11):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Because when people.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Apply for certain jobs, there are two things that Bob
just kind of bail over my tea shuttle. They say
that you don't have enough experience, and then you have
too much experience.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I mean, I'm sorry, but the thing with not having
enough experience and I've run into the estimate with interviewing
for jobs.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Before as well. It's like, well, how the hell am
I good to get to experience? Take a chance on me.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
It's like a two favorite that's gonna come down and
just just ring with some pixie doesn't then life's gonna
open up and then Bill Murray's gonna come out of somewhere.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know, that's not how it works, man, give me
an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah. Well, and the kids at the combine.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Right now, and I feel like I'm at the on
the wrong side of thirty, as Zach Seeker says, now,
so I.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Can call these guys the Combines kid.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
But George Peyton spoke with the media yesterday and he
talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The value of the combine in his eyes. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 9 (15:11):
I just think, you know, I always talk about it's
a race for information and just gathering more information on
these players and you can get all the testing and
that's great for the analytics guys. The scouts are always
you know, does this validate my report or not? But
I think just getting like Sean said, and just getting
to know these players face to face, even though it's
only twenty minutes. But then you can go to the
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informals and just it's another step in the process to
get to know these players, and then we're making big
decisions on these players, we want to really get to
know them.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That was George Peyton at the Combine speaking about the
value of the combine. And George Peyton seems much more
relaxed in his role this year after some success on
the field with him and Sean Payton and Bo Nix
and the Broncos last year. But you had some experience
of George helping you out as a young player.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Right as a young player trying to break into the
league coming from NFO uar to Chicago, I think George
Peyton was I think in charge of pro personnel, and
he was one of those guys because when I came
from the NFL Europe, I was late.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
They had already started. I was just giving you a
training camp.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I was so far behind, and you could see it
on the field as I was trying to mentally catch up.
But he was always there in my ear giving me
encouragement and motivation. And usually you know, this, Steve in
this game, that doesn't happen. It is a business. But
to have someone see whatever George saw in me to say,
you know what, maybe this guy makes his team or not,
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but I'm gonna try to give him a chance by
giving him all validation and encouragement I can.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And to me, that was a big uplifter for me.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Now I had to stay up night after night for
in the mornings trying to get that playbook.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But it was big for me to have George do
that for me. When I see him now, I thank
him for that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think, man, most players need someone like that, somebody
that can just give that affirmation that hey, man, you're
on the right track. Keep working working, you know. I
see you, I see the work you're putting in, you know.
And for me, like my rookie year Charlie Watas is
abou DV coach man, he.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Was like that for me and everything he said, I'm like,
all right, okay, I got you. I'm taking notes, writing
it down, whatever you say, whatever you say, I got you.
I got you. I'm doing about to do a fool
speed too, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And and we had had had a great relationship man,
he but I had a ton of respect for him
because I knew he had played the game as well,
and so he could tell me all the small details
that someone who didn't play the game, probably had an
experience or you know, no one had had taught him that. Uh,
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he just taught me so many other details that helped me.
Uh I think, uh, get get get to a better
place faster.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Right, get there quicker than you would have on your own. Yeah, yeah,
most definitely.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Do you care that role because you know, I know
I've heard stories of you behind the scenes helping out
young players and you get to do a lot of
that with your work with the Broncos. Do you really
enjoy that aspect of of helping young guys get to
a place quicker and they don't have to learn from
their own mistakes, but they can learn from someone.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like you who did it at such a high level
for such a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I mean, this is this kind of a fine line, especially,
you know, especially now nowadays. You know, not all players
want to hear from older guys, guys who played the game,
anything that the game.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Which blows my mind, like everyone want to hear from.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Also, I don't want to tell the guys something that
is different from what their coaches are telling them. That me,
you know, may have them with some sort of dilemma
like I'm trying to do what my coach is telling me.
But man, Steve Atwater told me this, I need to
try this.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I don't want I don't want to. I don't want
to be in that.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I don't want to put the players in that situation.
But yeah, the biggest thing I try to do when
I'm talking guys is uplift them.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I try to give nuggets here and there, but it's
more hey, you're doing a great job, or hey man,
you need you got to pick it up a little
bit for man.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, tell them the hard truth that they need
to hear every once in a while too. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
hey man, we're.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Off en rolling here on Broncos Country tonight. Hall of
Famer Steve Atwater in studio with Nick Ferguson and myself.
I'm Grant Smith filling in for Benjamin Albright. We'll be
back on the other side. I want to get your
guys' thoughts. The topic that Nick has been trying to
bring up for about a week and I just keep
forgetting to bring it up, the Richie Incognito and Jonathan
Martin bullying case from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
There's been some new revelations.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We'll get to that in just a couple of minutes
on Broncos Country Night right here on KAA A fifty
AM ninety.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Four to one FM from Rosebrade to Cocaine. This is
Broncos Country Tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm your guest host Grant Smith, filling in for Benjamin
Albright as he's covering the NFL Combine and on KAWA
Sports all this week with Ryan Edwards in studio with
Nick Ferguson in the Hall of Famer Steve Atwater.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Nick, you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
A story for this past week, and as I said
before the break, I keep forgetting to bring it up
every single night, but Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito, Richie
Incognitio kind of got blamed for a hazing scandal with
the who was it with the.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Dogby doll accent. Yeah, and there's been some new revelations
on that. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
The reason whyted to bring it up, and it was
perfect that Steve is here because it goes back to
what the locker room culture is viewed as and what
it actually is. And when you look at the situation
between Richie Incognito and John Dean Martin, it it was
something that kind of got out of hand, and then
Ted Wells came in with his fourteen hundred page report
on what was going on, all to find out that well,
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John Demartin made it up that Richie Incognito wasn't really
bullying him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yes, yes, I know, And Richie was like, I tried
to tell you guys, but no one.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Wanted to believe me because where Richie came from and
how he grew up, it was a trouble upbringing with
a lot of abuse. And what happened to Richie is
what I've seen happen to a lot of people. When
you are bullied as a child in school or even
by your parents, you end up growing up doing the
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same thing that was done to you.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And yeah, the things have been.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
A little different with the culture in the Miami Dolphins
locker room, yes, but you know how this worked. You
come in as a rookie. I mean you got to
fight to earn your keep. It's almost like being the
youngest child fight.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well well no, not.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Literally have to fight, but the struggle was going out
there and competing.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But you know, for me, in locker rooms that I
was in, you got rod, you got Keith Burns and
Al Wilson.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
They told a lot of jokes, jos now growing up
in the hood, Yes, growing up in the hood, there
was a lot of your mama jokes and if you
couldn't stay in your mama jokes, don't get in, don't laugh.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It was interesting ten years.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Later for this to come out and Jonathan Martin to
actually admit that, Nope, it didn't really happen. What prompted
him to admit that it was a lie, Well, the
only thing that I could think of that so much
time had passed by and Jonathan Martin was kind of
transitioning to other parts in his life where now he's
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into bitcoin and doing all this other stuff that he
just had a revelation where he just wanted to say, well,
this didn't really happen the way that he was portrayed.
And I still know some people still look at Richie
Incognito as just being kind of a dirt bag type
of guy. But this is one of those things where
you don't judge by its cover. But also I know
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in the locker room there.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Is a culture.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
The culture is unwritten and it may be a little
different than other workplaces, but it is a culture, nonetheless,
where we keep everything in house.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
We don't we're not telling people.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
And the worst thing you could do as a player
don't piddle talk, don't don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Don't go home and tell you why things.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, no, no, don't even tell anyone. Note well, yes.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I mean there's certain things that my wife doesn't know
because like what happens in that locker room stays in
that locker rooms.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
These guys about everything. Yes, yes, how do you feel
about this?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Like Michael Parsons last year, like came out publicly and
just railed on his team and mid season on.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
His own podcast. That's crazy, But maybe he felt he
needed to do that as one of the leaders, probably
the greatest player on their team. Yeah, you know he
maybe maybe he was trying to get him fired up.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I don't know, I don't, I don't know he got
him fired up.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Or right now he'd be maybe playing for another team
here the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Could you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:16):
But but but now we live in an era where
players can now put pressure and say things about their
organization and fellow players that wouldn't have No player would
have dared to say years ago because now with so
many podcasts, players have become more comfortable with like using
you know, teams were spilling the beans and.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I mean back in my time, no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Team.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Did you have to deal with any rookie Hazy when
you were that you can share on the air.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, I didn't. And I was a big guy too, right,
so he just told you.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
The answer was like, oh no, they aren't gonna touch me.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
An offensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
They could have the defensive lignment if they you know,
some of the linebackers too.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But I mean a lot of lineberriers. I was. I was,
you know, probably the same size height wise. But and
I didn't I didn't experience it with other players.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You know, I didn't experience seeing my teammates Hayes, other players.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just no locker room that I was ever in.
Was Was that an issue? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And I still think, like I still think there's some
value to you know, the silly types of hazing, like
you know, making bow Nicks carry the.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Pads, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm saying the fund the fun side of that that,
you know, like building the culture and making them earn
their stripes. While Tim Tebow getting the haircut the horseshoe
haircut when he was here, Like, that's all in good fun.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You just got to keep it above the collar, you know,
you can't can't.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Be doing stuff that Richie Incognito was accused of but
as we have seen a decade later, didn't actually happen.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
This is why I feel that the phrasing needs to
be different, because when you say hazing, usually that's associated
with doing something physical or physical harm to someone. But
to me, having someone carry your pads the biggest thing.
I love the Rookie Show. Yeah yeah, that was always great.
(26:24):
And having guys stand up and seeing their the school
national anthem, that's that's nothing that that builds that camaraderie.
But the biggest thing is it shows is though you
are a team player, and when we find ourselves in
a tough situation, we can all push through it together.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So that's the way.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
That's that's extremely important, I think, because it makes you
go out there when you.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Gotta dig deep, and sometimes you don't feel like digging deep.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
But these my boys, man, we gotta we gotta, we
gotta find a way out of this.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
In San Francisco, what they did was they brought in
some military guy. Guys said, the guys through military exercises
and they they they couldn't take them out to swim
like Navy seals. So they just kind of went their body.
They had the date through sand and then they had
to hold up this telephone pole, right, And the thing
about that is that at some point you're going to
break period, but as can I hold up Steve's portion
(27:21):
while he rests, and then when he rests that now
we kind.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Of swap off. But I like that type of team building.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, you can know you can rely on your fellow teammate.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Well, some guys you've quickly learned you can't. You can't.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, and that's almost a bigger revelation, right, Like I
know this dude when it's a fourth quarter and we've
been getting run over all game, giving him.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
The side like right, it's like Ryan Gosling, there's.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
A liability ability.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
You have an idea that they're kind of like that
before the game, and then when the game could come
around and they quit, you like that kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
We got a new Yeah, we gotta did.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
The reporter is asking, okay, we'll see, well after the game,
why did you know Nick give up? That touchdown at
the end right, and your brain has to work like
you know what you want to say, but you can't
see it right.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He didn't play every weekend.
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Speaker 1 (34:47):
Pleasure.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
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Speaker 1 (34:57):
There was a funny one that came in during the
last segment. Let me see if I can still feel it. Oh,
here it is, Yeah, from the seven to one nine.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I bet Steve Atwater gets starstruck every time he looks
in the mirror in the morning.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, you don't know, see well enough, how humble he is.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Seriously, I mean honestly, you know, That's one of the
things I talk about all the time, is you know,
you hear a lot of these these people in the
media talk about their interactions with players and how they
kind of think they're the cock of the walk, you know,
like too big for themselves and don't have the time
for the little guys. But I always tell people I've
never had that experience with the foreign players I've worked
(35:32):
with because I get to work with you Nick and
you Steve, who just are humble and appreciate the people
that are behind the scenes doing the work.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, there's a few guys out bet who think that
because they play football that they can look down on people.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I don't understand that, but hey, each is all. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I ran it to in New Orleans for the Super Bowl.
I ran it to Anias Williams. That's right, yes, great,
great guy, cool all get out and I saw him.
I was like, dude, you mind if I take a photo?
He was like no, And it was awesome because once
again he was got one of those players that I
grew up watching him, Steve is Wright, Like, there's some
(36:13):
guys who are really cool and chill, and then there's
some other guys just like, man, this dude's think.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I can't believe I rooted for him all right.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's like the nightmare, right for fans as they look
up at these people as an idol and then you
meet him, then they just disappoint you.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So no, you're like, come on, man, why you got
to be like that just because you play football or
any sport.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Just because you play football, you gotta treat people like that, right,
It's crazy. Like most people say, well that.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Meeting your idol may not be exactly the way you
think it is.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
So with that being said, for each one of you, guys,
is there some person that you would have loved to
meet that you thought that or you felt that there
was an idol to you in any.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Kind of way. Well, I remember, I wish I would
have been older for this experience. But I got to
meet Walter Payton.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And I was like, yeah, I think I was five
years old. There's a great picture I'll show you sometime
me and my brother hanging out with him. And he
was exactly everything you wanted him to be. Like, he
was just the nicest guy. He was tickling us and like,
you know, I just remember his hands being like huge. Yeah.
(37:22):
But it meet and him like I've never met someone,
you know. I remember another guy, lamar Odam. I was
a huge fan of lamar Odom when he was in
college at Rhode Island. I had a family connection there
and I met him and he was the exact same way,
like just so loving and caring and I was a
young I think I was maybe eleven or twelve at
the time when I got a chance to meet him,
and I was just like, Man, when you're this good
(37:43):
of an athlete and you.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Also treat people this well, that says a lot about
you as a person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, initially
it was it was a running lot. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I was.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I was in college, just about to graduate, and we
my wife and I with my girl for at the time.
We were at the the NBA All Star Game and
we were walking and I got seen him play, you know, watched,
you know, watch a ton of film on them when
I was in college and we're walking. I look up
in the selle. Maybe that's let's run it fine, said
(38:18):
go up there and say something like what if I
don't know?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I like, all right, don't want to go up there
in sales man. I went up there. He talked to
me for like fifteen minutes, man, and sat down, And
to this day I'll call him up and we'll talk
and chop it up.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
One of the nicest guys you ever want to meet.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Man.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
And so that was that was one thing. Then one
time when Walter Payton. He was doing some announced sports broadcasting. Yeah,
and he was at the Broncos facility. I got a
chance to meet him. His hands were ginormous.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I'm like, swallowing your hand Jesus for man, this hands
for Hunick.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
For me who was at oh super Bowl in Arizona,
I met Daryl Green Dan and that was that was
a thing for me. It was like, wow, I'm like,
you know who you are.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
It sounds crazy because here's one bro man saying it
to another girl man.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
But for me, I was a small kid like, oh
my god, this is Darryl Green right.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
And I watched him, especially those the NFL off season
and competitions where in Hawaiian the pro bowled man. Yes,
And I was just like, man, it was it was
great watching you grow up. Thank you for everything that
you did to kind of inspire me. But I think
it's great to when you meet people, let them know
how they impact your life. And I'll say this, man,
you're right, Steve is one of the coolest individuals that
(39:53):
is out there, and for me it is a pleasure
and the blessing to be around him here doing havetime
show scene and uh, you know at the Broncos Facility.
So kids, if you're out there, you have dreams, you
have aspirations. Man, don't let anyone tell you that things
are not possible. I am living proof that you can
(40:14):
do it and it is possible.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, and Steve, I hope you do realize how much
of a positive impact.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You do make on so many people, everyone you meet.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I hope you don't take that for granted, Like how
much people appreciate every interaction they have with you.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, no, that's cool, man.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And I always say my dad told me a long
time was say, man, you treat people the way you
want to be treated. And that is always stuck with me,
you know, because I wouldn't want somebody treating me like
a you know, like a jerk. So I don't do that,
even though sometimes I get treated you know, I run
into jerks sometimes we all do.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
This was a pleasure sitting in here with you tonight.
Thanks for making the time for us, oh Man, Thank you,
great great job man, I appreciate it. We got to
head a break. We'll be back with Clark Kellow.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
We talk a little college basketball coming up after the
break right here on Broncos Country tonight on KA eight
fifty AM ninety four to one FN
Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm your guest host Grant Smith, filling in for Benjamin
Albright as he covers the NFL Combine from Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We will be joined by our very own wet blanket.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
At about seven thirty tonight, And here with Nick Ferguson,
who's got a snazzy shirt on today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yes, it's my black history shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh I like it.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, No, little black and gold else.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yes, And that voice you hear right now, the Hall
of Famer Steve Atwater.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
How are you, Steve Hey? Doing pretty good? Doing pretty good.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'll be better once I have a better idea what
we're going to do in this draft. But you know, Hey, yes,
I got to wheel everybody else.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, there's a lot of rumors circulating around the combine
right now. As as I said before, Ryan and Ben
out there, And did you see the story of Rob
Gronkowski coming to the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That's he pretty much shut it down today.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We do from behind the scenes, just talking to Ben
and Ryan yesterday that that story was a lot of bs.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But Gronk kind of spiked it down today.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And I really I like the I like how they
did it though. I like the that commercial with with
he and Sean oh.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah from the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. Yeah,
that was that was great. That was so funny. Yeah, uh,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
But to come up with that narrative was kind of crazy.
He's been out the league for several years and.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, he's he doesn't even look like the same guy.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Almost a joker. You don't think Gronk is a joker.
He was a joker, he ain't anymore. He may be
a joker, like technically he called that a court gesture.
There you go.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, that's funny though, because this time of the year
we hear all sorts of information that is alleged when
it comes to these prospects who are going to start
working out tomorrow in Indy. And this is what the
Fish through Lion season, where people started telling lies and
(02:05):
that was no, no, no, not wrong on Lion Lion.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
He told the damn lie, right. And when the news that.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Information came out about Gronk making the comeback, the first
thing I looked at it, I said, well, let me
look at it, check some valuable sources. And when Ian
Rapperport was just like, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There, yeah, when she shuts it down, you pretty much
know there's no truth.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
So I had fans kind of you know, when you
go out and buy the city, people see you and
they ask you questions. And one of the questions is like,
why would someone say that something is when it isn't.
And I say, well, in all fairness, we are in
the information business, and some people try to get out
(02:54):
front of information before anyone else. But I was always
taught by the great James Brown and CBS that you
want to make sure that you're right, that that you
the first that you're right. Well, but we live in
a world now that it's clickbait. Everyone's trying to get
out there. So Greg is not coming to Broncos.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Here's that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Here's the I have the audio actually from that Super
Bowl bit they did a couple of years ago, Sean
Payton and Rob Gonkowski.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
How did we both end up in an orange tie
and blue suit? I swear I sent my gray so
soon to my doing this, it's probably a little over
the top.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I got.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I got a job at the Broncos for you no
training camp.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You're eight touchdowns shy of one hundred touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I think I can get you that and it might
be able to talk to the Walton Pinner family about
calling us the Denver grunk Guys, guys, we need to
pick hurry up picking the Bronco.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
No, they need the game picks.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Eagles by seven. I've got the Eagles by ten. Kurt
back to you. I did love that bit. Yeah that
was so good. Oh man, ye Nicoles the grog goes.
I like that. Yeah, Hey, Sean Payton, you know they may.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Listen to him if that was a real possibility. But
as we know, no truth to that statement. And Cronk
himself speaking about it today, What was your experience like
at the combine?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was it was good. Yeah, Yeah, I had a
good experience.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I mean I didn't run as fast as I wanted
to run, but you know, that's you know, that's a
part of it. But yeah, I had a good experience,
you know, a good I enjoyed meeting with the different teams.
I enjoyed, you know, getting connect with some of the
players who.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
You know, competed against me.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, competed against uh, you know, seeing I didn't compete
a lot, I guess a lot of them, but I
you know, I had heard of them. I've seen them
play and just getting to see what kind of guys
they were that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, Nick, what was your experience like? It was really click?
I was who I had to give you all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I was like, I got back, I backpatter just like that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But I continue it on that, I think, at least
in my personal opinion, and I don't want to take
anything away from the people that put a lot of
stock into the combine, but I think there's too much
noise around it.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I believe personally.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You put the tape on and you see how players
play in an actual game setting.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What's what's your.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Take on Do you think there's too much noise around
the combine or do you think it's just another tool
that they can use to evaluate players.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I definitely think it's a great tool to have everyone
there together where you can kind of compair apples apples
to apples right there. And obviously you know it's going
to be some differences once the actual game starts. Once
the game start, but I think it gives you a
good comparison to see just at one time. You know
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how smart guys are, you know how well they pick
up offensive defenses. You know what kind of hustle they have,
what their history has been like. You know a lot
of times you want to know where they've been. You know,
are they hungry? Are they are?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
They?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Are they not hungry? And everybody's gonna tell you they're hunger.
Everybody's gonna tell you they love football. But you gotta
you gotta dig deep to find out those because some
people want to get to.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
The league down. I want to play football anymore. Right,
they had there for the paycheck. Yeah, they just there
for the Yeah. Did you get any weird questions?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Like because we had ran Ryan Harris on KA Sports
last week and he said a team asked him if
he loved his mother or father more? And of course
we know the des Bryant story from a couple of
years ago. Did you get anything where you're like, I
can't believe that these guys are asking me these questions.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Ah, you know what, it was so long, I don't
I don't even remember nothing bad enough to stick around. Yeah, yeah,
but I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I don't think I got asked anything that was outlanders
where I said WHOA what?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes, we didn't. I don't know where You're like, I'm
gonna have to square up with these dudes. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I had the good The process was was pretty pretty
smooth for me. And again it was it was enjoyable
because you know it was it was cool because I
got a chance to interact with a lot of other
guys again who I kind of admired, and you know,
got a chance to meet them and.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, see what kind of people they are.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
You know, the best thing about the combine, even though
I've never been there, but it's just a piggyback of
what Steve said is that you get a chance to
put guys from kind of the Matt Conference or or
the ACC in the same room with guys from the
Big ten and the SEC and you get a chance
to look across the room and not just size of
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guys up from measurable standpoint, but watch him go out
and work, watch him go out and compete. And Steve
is right, a lot of these guys because they've been
fine tuned. They've been groomed coming up to this point.
As far as preparation for the interviews, like when the
team ask you something, you want to make sure that
you continue to say that everything you do is about
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the game right, because it seemed like that's perfect, that's
exactly what they want to hear. We know that there's
not a lot of guys who are really about the
life of making the sacrifices to play this game, because.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We've seen it. Steve has seen it at this time,
and I've seen it in my time.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Once some guys get to the NFL and they get
that money in their pocket, the desire that they had
to drive to get there, it now starts to diminish.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, So I saw it happened in college.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
One of my buddies. We both went to Arkansas, we
both were from Missouri, and we rolled down on our
we went to move all our stuff down.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
We've rolled down together.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And man, it was I want to say, in our
second year and all steets He's like, man.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm done. I don't want to play football anymore. I'm like,
what did they give you a reason? He just said
he was sorry. He just playing football. Yeah, And I
just can't believe I've never seen anybody.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Do that before. And then as as you played the.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Game a while and you see the effort that guys
give you, I got he bro, you don't want to
play football.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Right, at least he was honest about it, right, you
wantn't you know, messing around?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
But yeah, that was that was my first time really
understanding that that not everybody loves the game.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And the reason that that happens sometimes is that when
you were in Pop Warner football, you may be the
best guy in Pop Warner.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You get to high school, you're the best guy in
high school.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You get to college and you realize there's a lot
of good guys in college, and then once you get
to the pros, you look around and you're like, whoa wow.
You start questioning, doubting yourself because now you have moved
from an amateur level to a professional level where you're
competing against grown men who have mortgages, they got kids,
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they have boys. Some guys have a wife and a girlfriend.
So that's a lot of president just because your imagine
walking into one of those rooms as a as a
young player, looking around the room and you see a
guy like Steve Atwater and you're going like, wow, Steve Atwater.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Look well, people.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Looking up to people that were your idols and who
you modeled your game after, and now you're supposed to
be there equal their peer and that's going to be
a hard.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Hurdle to jump in your mind. Yeah, yeah, that that
is tough. That's tough man.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I remember the first day I walked into the building.
I've said this thousand times. The first person I saw,
first player that I met, was Carl Meglenburg.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, and I was like, job god a lion. Well
that's how I feel sitting in here with you, Steve.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm like, damn, I get to host a show with
Steve Atwater the Hall of Famer. Like, some of my
first memories of the NFL my dad. I've told this
to Nick Ferguson before, but my dad was a huge
John Elway fan. Like his whole family were Browns fans
coming from Ohio, right, he was a big John Elway guy.
So some of my first memories are of the Super
Bowl teams in ninety eight, ninety nine. So now I'm
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in here with you, and I'm like, damn, what a
cool moment here with the Hall of Famer Steve Atwater.
Like I remember being seven eight years old sitting in
front of the TV like.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Did he just hit him that hard?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And now I'm like sitting across from the from the desk,
rum you man.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It really cool. He aged me a little bit, but
you know we are right, Yeah, I was your agent.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That that is kind of what's it about.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Like when I was in Buffalo, Henry Jones was there,
and I remember Henry from those those those Super Bowls,
those Super Bowl runs, and I would just sit across
and I said, I hope you don't think kind of
get weirded out.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I'm just staring. I'm just because I.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Got hearts in your eyes.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
It's kind of a groundbreaking thing because every kid aspires
to get to that point, right, but it's only a
small few that get there, and it's only a small
few that play a long time. So to be in
that room with those guys, he's just like, oh moment,
you got to sit there and you got to soak
it up like you were here. And for me, it
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was a kid. I was a kid that grew up
in the projects. Everything about football, remember those Me and
Joe Green commercially with the Coca Cola. Oh my god,
the kid is Jersey.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And I'm like, now I'm in that space.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
So for a lot of guys competing at the combine,
it's like they got to deal with that, but they
also have to remember it's.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Still a competition. Yeah, what you're there for, it is
still a competition.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
How was that?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
How did you get over that hurdle in your mind
as a you know, you came in, you know, you
weren't a highly touted prospect like a lot of these
people are at the combine. How did you get over
that hurdle in your mind when you were in those
rooms with those guys that you looked up to your
whole life. How did you just get into the mindset
eventually of saying, Hey, I'm here to do a job
and it's my turn to take over the torch, you know,
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to be the next guy, the next Great Broncos safety
in the line of Great Broncos safeties.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
How did you get over that hurdle in your mind?
Being cut a couple of times after you were you're
cut for a couple of times. You have a conversation
with yourself.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And I was just telling my son this earlier today
that you decide whether he figures though this is going
to break for you and open up, or this is
God telling you, you know what, you may want to
try to do something else. And the one thing that
I feel as though it's easy for every.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Single person to do right. Just like Steve talked about
his buddy, you just wake up and you quit. That's
the easy thing you do. You just wake up and quit.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
But it takes more for a person to see something
that you want and you fight for it. And that
was the thing being cut and saying, you know what,
I'm gonna make this team. And every time I did that,
I got closer. I got closer, and I got closer.
Then I ran into Wave Phillips and the dam broke
for me. That's how it happened.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And you were good at every other level too, So
you knew that.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I plain matter of the opportunity, just waiting for your shot.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's think about any of us or anyone in any
walk of life.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
All you need is someone to believe in you to
give you a shot.
Speaker 8 (14:11):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Because when people.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Apply for certain jobs, there are two things that Bob
just kind of bail over my tea shuttle. They say
that you don't have enough experience, and then you have
too much experience.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I mean, I'm sorry, but the thing with not having
enough experience and I've run into the estimate with interviewing
for jobs.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Before as well. It's like, well, how the hell am
I good to get to experience? Take a chance on me.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
It's like a two favorite that's gonna come down and
just just ring with some pixie doesn't then life's gonna
open up and then Bill Murray's gonna come out of somewhere.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know, that's not how it works, man, give me
an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah. Well, and the kids at the combine.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Right now, and I feel like I'm at the on
the wrong side of thirty, as Zach Seeker says, now,
so I.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Can call these guys the Combines kid.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
But George Peyton spoke with the media yesterday and he
talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The value of the combine in his eyes. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 9 (15:11):
I just think, you know, I always talk about it's
a race for information and just gathering more information on
these players and you can get all the testing and
that's great for the analytics guys. The scouts are always
you know, does this validate my report or not? But
I think just getting like Sean said, and just getting
to know these players face to face, even though it's
only twenty minutes. But then you can go to the
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informals and just it's another step in the process to
get to know these players, and then we're making big
decisions on these players, we want to really get to
know them.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That was George Peyton at the Combine speaking about the
value of the combine. And George Peyton seems much more
relaxed in his role this year after some success on
the field with him and Sean Payton and Bo Nix
and the Broncos last year. But you had some experience
of George helping you out as a young player.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Right as a young player trying to break into the
league coming from NFO uar to Chicago, I think George
Peyton was I think in charge of pro personnel, and
he was one of those guys because when I came
from the NFL Europe, I was late.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
They had already started. I was just giving you a
training camp.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I was so far behind, and you could see it
on the field as I was trying to mentally catch up.
But he was always there in my ear giving me
encouragement and motivation. And usually you know, this, Steve in
this game, that doesn't happen. It is a business. But
to have someone see whatever George saw in me to say,
you know what, maybe this guy makes his team or not,
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but I'm gonna try to give him a chance by
giving him all validation and encouragement I can.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And to me, that was a big uplifter for me.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Now I had to stay up night after night for
in the mornings trying to get that playbook.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But it was big for me to have George do
that for me. When I see him now, I thank
him for that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think, man, most players need someone like that, somebody
that can just give that affirmation that hey, man, you're
on the right track. Keep working working, you know. I
see you, I see the work you're putting in, you know.
And for me, like my rookie year Charlie Watas is
abou DV coach man, he.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Was like that for me and everything he said, I'm like,
all right, okay, I got you. I'm taking notes, writing
it down, whatever you say, whatever you say, I got you.
I got you. I'm doing about to do a fool
speed too, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And and we had had had a great relationship man,
he but I had a ton of respect for him
because I knew he had played the game as well,
and so he could tell me all the small details
that someone who didn't play the game, probably had an
experience or you know, no one had had taught him that. Uh,
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he just taught me so many other details that helped me.
Uh I think, uh, get get get to a better
place faster.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Right, get there quicker than you would have on your own. Yeah, yeah,
most definitely.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Do you care that role because you know, I know
I've heard stories of you behind the scenes helping out
young players and you get to do a lot of
that with your work with the Broncos. Do you really
enjoy that aspect of of helping young guys get to
a place quicker and they don't have to learn from
their own mistakes, but they can learn from someone.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like you who did it at such a high level
for such a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I mean, this is this kind of a fine line, especially,
you know, especially now nowadays. You know, not all players
want to hear from older guys, guys who played the game,
anything that the game.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Which blows my mind, like everyone want to hear from.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Also, I don't want to tell the guys something that
is different from what their coaches are telling them. That me,
you know, may have them with some sort of dilemma
like I'm trying to do what my coach is telling me.
But man, Steve Atwater told me this, I need to
try this.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I don't want I don't want to. I don't want
to be in that.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I don't want to put the players in that situation.
But yeah, the biggest thing I try to do when
I'm talking guys is uplift them.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I try to give nuggets here and there, but it's
more hey, you're doing a great job, or hey man,
you need you got to pick it up a little
bit for man.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, tell them the hard truth that they need
to hear every once in a while too. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
hey man, we're.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Off en rolling here on Broncos Country tonight. Hall of
Famer Steve Atwater in studio with Nick Ferguson and myself.
I'm Grant Smith filling in for Benjamin Albright. We'll be
back on the other side. I want to get your
guys' thoughts. The topic that Nick has been trying to
bring up for about a week and I just keep
forgetting to bring it up, the Richie Incognito and Jonathan
Martin bullying case from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
There's been some new revelations.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We'll get to that in just a couple of minutes
on Broncos Country Night right here on KAA A fifty
AM ninety.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Four to one FM from Rosebrade to Cocaine. This is
Broncos Country Tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm your guest host Grant Smith, filling in for Benjamin
Albright as he's covering the NFL Combine and on KAWA
Sports all this week with Ryan Edwards in studio with
Nick Ferguson in the Hall of Famer Steve Atwater.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Nick, you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
A story for this past week, and as I said
before the break, I keep forgetting to bring it up
every single night, but Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito, Richie
Incognitio kind of got blamed for a hazing scandal with
the who was it with the.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Dogby doll accent. Yeah, and there's been some new revelations
on that. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
The reason whyted to bring it up, and it was
perfect that Steve is here because it goes back to
what the locker room culture is viewed as and what
it actually is. And when you look at the situation
between Richie Incognito and John Dean Martin, it it was
something that kind of got out of hand, and then
Ted Wells came in with his fourteen hundred page report
on what was going on, all to find out that well,
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John Demartin made it up that Richie Incognito wasn't really
bullying him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yes, yes, I know, And Richie was like, I tried
to tell you guys, but no one.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Wanted to believe me because where Richie came from and
how he grew up, it was a trouble upbringing with
a lot of abuse. And what happened to Richie is
what I've seen happen to a lot of people. When
you are bullied as a child in school or even
by your parents, you end up growing up doing the
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same thing that was done to you.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And yeah, the things have been.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
A little different with the culture in the Miami Dolphins
locker room, yes, but you know how this worked. You
come in as a rookie. I mean you got to
fight to earn your keep. It's almost like being the
youngest child fight.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well well no, not.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Literally have to fight, but the struggle was going out
there and competing.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But you know, for me, in locker rooms that I
was in, you got rod, you got Keith Burns and
Al Wilson.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
They told a lot of jokes, jos now growing up
in the hood, Yes, growing up in the hood, there
was a lot of your mama jokes and if you
couldn't stay in your mama jokes, don't get in, don't laugh.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It was interesting ten years.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Later for this to come out and Jonathan Martin to
actually admit that, Nope, it didn't really happen. What prompted
him to admit that it was a lie, Well, the
only thing that I could think of that so much
time had passed by and Jonathan Martin was kind of
transitioning to other parts in his life where now he's
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into bitcoin and doing all this other stuff that he
just had a revelation where he just wanted to say, well,
this didn't really happen the way that he was portrayed.
And I still know some people still look at Richie
Incognito as just being kind of a dirt bag type
of guy. But this is one of those things where
you don't judge by its cover. But also I know
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in the locker room there.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Is a culture.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
The culture is unwritten and it may be a little
different than other workplaces, but it is a culture, nonetheless,
where we keep everything in house.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
We don't we're not telling people.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
And the worst thing you could do as a player
don't piddle talk, don't don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Don't go home and tell you why things.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, no, no, don't even tell anyone. Note well, yes.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I mean there's certain things that my wife doesn't know
because like what happens in that locker room stays in
that locker rooms.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
These guys about everything. Yes, yes, how do you feel
about this?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Like Michael Parsons last year, like came out publicly and
just railed on his team and mid season on.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
His own podcast. That's crazy, But maybe he felt he
needed to do that as one of the leaders, probably
the greatest player on their team. Yeah, you know he
maybe maybe he was trying to get him fired up.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I don't know, I don't, I don't know he got
him fired up.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Or right now he'd be maybe playing for another team
here the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Could you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:16):
But but but now we live in an era where
players can now put pressure and say things about their
organization and fellow players that wouldn't have No player would
have dared to say years ago because now with so
many podcasts, players have become more comfortable with like using
you know, teams were spilling the beans and.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I mean back in my time, no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Team.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Did you have to deal with any rookie Hazy when
you were that you can share on the air.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, I didn't. And I was a big guy too, right,
so he just told you.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
The answer was like, oh no, they aren't gonna touch me.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
An offensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
They could have the defensive lignment if they you know,
some of the linebackers too.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But I mean a lot of lineberriers. I was. I was,
you know, probably the same size height wise. But and
I didn't I didn't experience it with other players.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You know, I didn't experience seeing my teammates Hayes, other players.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just no locker room that I was ever in.
Was Was that an issue? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And I still think, like I still think there's some
value to you know, the silly types of hazing, like
you know, making bow Nicks carry the.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Pads, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm saying the fund the fun side of that that,
you know, like building the culture and making them earn
their stripes. While Tim Tebow getting the haircut the horseshoe
haircut when he was here, Like, that's all in good fun.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You just got to keep it above the collar, you know,
you can't can't.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Be doing stuff that Richie Incognito was accused of but
as we have seen a decade later, didn't actually happen.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
This is why I feel that the phrasing needs to
be different, because when you say hazing, usually that's associated
with doing something physical or physical harm to someone. But
to me, having someone carry your pads the biggest thing.
I love the Rookie Show. Yeah yeah, that was always great.
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And having guys stand up and seeing their the school
national anthem, that's that's nothing that that builds that camaraderie.
But the biggest thing is it shows is though you
are a team player, and when we find ourselves in
a tough situation, we can all push through it together.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So that's the way.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
That's that's extremely important, I think, because it makes you
go out there when you.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Gotta dig deep, and sometimes you don't feel like digging deep.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
But these my boys, man, we gotta we gotta, we
gotta find a way out of this.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
In San Francisco, what they did was they brought in
some military guy. Guys said, the guys through military exercises
and they they they couldn't take them out to swim
like Navy seals. So they just kind of went their body.
They had the date through sand and then they had
to hold up this telephone pole, right, And the thing
about that is that at some point you're going to
break period, but as can I hold up Steve's portion
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while he rests, and then when he rests that now
we kind.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Of swap off. But I like that type of team building.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, you can know you can rely on your fellow teammate.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Well, some guys you've quickly learned you can't. You can't.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, and that's almost a bigger revelation, right, Like I
know this dude when it's a fourth quarter and we've
been getting run over all game, giving him.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
The side like right, it's like Ryan Gosling, there's.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
A liability ability.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
You have an idea that they're kind of like that
before the game, and then when the game could come
around and they quit, you like that kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
We got a new Yeah, we gotta did.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
The reporter is asking, okay, we'll see, well after the game,
why did you know Nick give up? That touchdown at
the end right, and your brain has to work like
you know what you want to say, but you can't
see it right.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He didn't play every weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
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Pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (34:57):
There was a funny one that came in during the
last segment. Let me see if I can still feel it. Oh,
here it is, Yeah, from the seven to one nine.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I bet Steve Atwater gets starstruck every time he looks
in the mirror in the morning.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, you don't know, see well enough, how humble he is.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Seriously, I mean honestly, you know, That's one of the
things I talk about all the time, is you know,
you hear a lot of these these people in the
media talk about their interactions with players and how they
kind of think they're the cock of the walk, you know,
like too big for themselves and don't have the time
for the little guys. But I always tell people I've
never had that experience with the foreign players I've worked
(35:32):
with because I get to work with you Nick and
you Steve, who just are humble and appreciate the people
that are behind the scenes doing the work.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, there's a few guys out bet who think that
because they play football that they can look down on people.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I don't understand that, but hey, each is all. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I ran it to in New Orleans for the Super Bowl.
I ran it to Anias Williams. That's right, yes, great,
great guy, cool all get out and I saw him.
I was like, dude, you mind if I take a photo?
He was like no, And it was awesome because once
again he was got one of those players that I
grew up watching him, Steve is Wright, Like, there's some
(36:13):
guys who are really cool and chill, and then there's
some other guys just like, man, this dude's think.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I can't believe I rooted for him all right.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's like the nightmare, right for fans as they look
up at these people as an idol and then you
meet him, then they just disappoint you.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So no, you're like, come on, man, why you got
to be like that just because you play football or
any sport.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Just because you play football, you gotta treat people like that, right,
It's crazy. Like most people say, well that.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Meeting your idol may not be exactly the way you
think it is.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
So with that being said, for each one of you, guys,
is there some person that you would have loved to
meet that you thought that or you felt that there
was an idol to you in any.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Kind of way. Well, I remember, I wish I would
have been older for this experience. But I got to
meet Walter Payton.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And I was like, yeah, I think I was five
years old. There's a great picture I'll show you sometime
me and my brother hanging out with him. And he
was exactly everything you wanted him to be. Like, he
was just the nicest guy. He was tickling us and like,
you know, I just remember his hands being like huge. Yeah.
(37:22):
But it meet and him like I've never met someone,
you know. I remember another guy, lamar Odam. I was
a huge fan of lamar Odom when he was in
college at Rhode Island. I had a family connection there
and I met him and he was the exact same way,
like just so loving and caring and I was a
young I think I was maybe eleven or twelve at
the time when I got a chance to meet him,
and I was just like, Man, when you're this good
(37:43):
of an athlete and you.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Also treat people this well, that says a lot about
you as a person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, initially
it was it was a running lot. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I was.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I was in college, just about to graduate, and we
my wife and I with my girl for at the time.
We were at the the NBA All Star Game and
we were walking and I got seen him play, you know, watched,
you know, watch a ton of film on them when
I was in college and we're walking. I look up
in the selle. Maybe that's let's run it fine, said
(38:18):
go up there and say something like what if I
don't know?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I like, all right, don't want to go up there
in sales man. I went up there. He talked to
me for like fifteen minutes, man, and sat down, And
to this day I'll call him up and we'll talk
and chop it up.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
One of the nicest guys you ever want to meet.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Man.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
And so that was that was one thing. Then one
time when Walter Payton. He was doing some announced sports broadcasting. Yeah,
and he was at the Broncos facility. I got a
chance to meet him. His hands were ginormous.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I'm like, swallowing your hand Jesus for man, this hands
for Hunick.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
For me who was at oh super Bowl in Arizona,
I met Daryl Green Dan and that was that was
a thing for me. It was like, wow, I'm like,
you know who you are.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
It sounds crazy because here's one bro man saying it
to another girl man.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
But for me, I was a small kid like, oh
my god, this is Darryl Green right.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
And I watched him, especially those the NFL off season
and competitions where in Hawaiian the pro bowled man. Yes,
And I was just like, man, it was it was
great watching you grow up. Thank you for everything that
you did to kind of inspire me. But I think
it's great to when you meet people, let them know
how they impact your life. And I'll say this, man,
you're right, Steve is one of the coolest individuals that
(39:53):
is out there, and for me it is a pleasure
and the blessing to be around him here doing havetime
show scene and uh, you know at the Broncos Facility.
So kids, if you're out there, you have dreams, you
have aspirations. Man, don't let anyone tell you that things
are not possible. I am living proof that you can
(40:14):
do it and it is possible.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, and Steve, I hope you do realize how much
of a positive impact.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You do make on so many people, everyone you meet.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I hope you don't take that for granted, Like how
much people appreciate every interaction they have with you.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, no, that's cool, man.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And I always say my dad told me a long
time was say, man, you treat people the way you
want to be treated. And that is always stuck with me,
you know, because I wouldn't want somebody treating me like
a you know, like a jerk. So I don't do that,
even though sometimes I get treated you know, I run
into jerks sometimes we all do.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
This was a pleasure sitting in here with you tonight.
Thanks for making the time for us, oh Man, Thank you,
great great job man, I appreciate it. We got to
head a break. We'll be back with Clark Kellow.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
We talk a little college basketball coming up after the
break right here on Broncos Country tonight on KA eight
fifty AM ninety four to one FN
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