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Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson, sax Feaker's back there behind the
glass five six six nine zeros text line Parshade. All
the texts that are coming through. We had quite a
few of them, still have quite few of them. Coming
here with the the profit makes the Draft day reference.
I remember seeing you messing the movie Draft Day, Keller
cos nobody went to bow Callahan's birthday party. Yes, all
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times so bad. It's a good movie if you're a
if you're a football fan, that is a good un watch. Yeah,
Prophet said, is the trade back no matter what, just
doesn't look as good on a post it trade magno
matter what of the post it is marketing. Remember, Yeah,
it does not look as good on the the post it.
So I'm with you on that. Nick. You want to
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talk about a move that has proven value in the NFL.
Speaker 18 (09:20):
Yeah, it does, And I know when I send it
to Zach it seemed like it was very secretive.
Speaker 13 (09:27):
But it speaks volumes to both college.
Speaker 18 (09:30):
Football and the NFL simultaneously because we know obviously the
college football ranks as the feeder pool for the NFL.
So when you think about it, I'll give you a
couple of names and these players that give a little
context on it. Yes, this has something to do with
the transfer portal, and I think the transfer portal has
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now become a big issue for a lot of teams
when they don't know what prospects are going to main
with their team, but has become somewhat of an excellent
jump start for quarterbacks for those who guys who play
the quarterback posistence. Now, it doesn't work out for everyone,
where for these quarterbacks, I'm going to give you it
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has worked out magnificently for them because when you evaluating quarterbacks,
you want to see how well they played in a
given system against the talent within that given conference. But
when you were a guy that could transfer one conference
and go to another conference and have success, what it
says to tell evaluators, Hey, there's a certain level of
maturity that we have in this young quarterback that you
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may not have that time in the NFL to wait
for that guy to develop, and you may need that
maturity right away.
Speaker 13 (10:42):
So here's what I mean.
Speaker 18 (10:44):
So when you think about you know, Cam War, where
Cam War was before he transferred to the University of Miami.
He was at Wazou and no one was really talking
about him as much as they are now, being as
though he played for the University of Miami. Now, he
threw the ball well at Wazoo, but it just kind
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of jumped off the page because the players and talent
that was around him, So God was in the transfer portal.
So Quinn yours another guy who's coming out in his draft.
Guess what transfer? Jane Daniels transfer from the PAC twelve
to the SEC and he proved to be one hell
of a quarterback in his rookie year for Adam Peters and.
Speaker 13 (11:27):
The Washington Commanders.
Speaker 18 (11:29):
Joe Burrow was a transfer himself, right, So you look
at those types of guys. Now, I'll throw Justin Fields
in there because he transferred, he did well in college.
We still don't know to see what happens with the
New York Jets. But guess who was another quarterback drafting
the NFL. No one thought that he would do as
well as he did, or the Broncos shouldn't have taken him.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Bnicks tran ight.
Speaker 13 (11:52):
So my whole point.
Speaker 18 (11:54):
Is when we look at the transfer portal, it has
worked well for some quarterbacks, putting them in the right system,
We're in the right conference to help them elevate their
draft status. Shardor Sanders, he was at Jackson State. Do
you think if Shador Sanders stayed at Jackson State along
with Travis Hunter, either of those guys would be in
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a position.
Speaker 13 (12:17):
That they're in absolutely not, but they made a jump
and it worked.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I think there's value to it. You know, there's there's
an up added down to all of that. You know,
there's something like, what was it we had ten thousand
people in the portal for in the transfer portal right
now for basketball, some like at ten thousand people looking
at six thousand spots.
Speaker 13 (12:38):
That's not gonna go ten thousand something like ten.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I have to go back and look there. There's an
absurd number of people in the in the transfer portal
right now, and something like sixty percent of them don't
have homes, like they are not gonna have a landing spot.
They're gonna have to drop down a level.
Speaker 13 (12:53):
That's guys getting.
Speaker 18 (12:56):
Bad.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, yeah, there's advice. There's a lot of guys here,
but they're it can work out too. The key I
think to all this and what guys need to look
at is you don't want to be like the kid
from Tennessee who's chasing the bag right now, jumping from
school to school, you know, chasing the back. What you
want to be is like a cam Ward, a guy
who continues to He started off in a card at Word.
He went to Washington State, then He was like, he's
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looking for reps. He's looking to move up in competition.
He's looking for reps. And if you're a quarterback and
you're trying to get in the NFL, there is no
substitution for live game reps, period, point blank, end of discussion.
Look at the guys that have come out and been
better than you thought they were the guys that went
to it, went up in competition and got reps. Jade Dangs,
you just talked about Bodex played the SEC, but he
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wanted to get reps. Went to Oregon. We talked about
Papa Holmes. He didn't transfer, but he got a ton
of reps there as a four year starter at Texas Tech.
When you're looking at this guys that are coming out
with tons of reps, it's a good thing. It used
to be the want of these guys young so they
could develop them. You know, the Stafford era where you're
trying to get twenty twenty one year old quarterbacks and
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in the develop that's up over we see what happened
when when you don't get reps. We see what happens.
Speaker 13 (14:03):
You come in the league, you.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Got your one year starter or you barely started any games.
Look what happened to Trey Lance. Look what happened to
Anthony Richardson, What happened to Zach Wilson, look at look
at these guys who didn't get enough reps at the
collegiate level, didn't get though stars, didn't get enough snaps.
Look what happened.
Speaker 18 (14:19):
And that's why if you are looking for a quarterback
or hell, a player at any position, you look for
the level of experience.
Speaker 13 (14:28):
What's that experience?
Speaker 18 (14:29):
Right, There's there's no way to over compensate for that
other than having live game reps. Like but when we
think about Shadora Sanders and some people are hiring some
people who are not, just think about the number of
games that he's actually played, the number of games in HBCU,
and then the number of games he played on the
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collegiate level.
Speaker 13 (14:51):
So when we started to evaluate, for me, I think
it's great.
Speaker 18 (14:55):
I don't want to encourage guys to transfer because I
don't want guys who, you know, kind of put themselves
in a situation where now they don't have a scholarship.
But if you are that dude, then you can transfer.
You have that many opportunities. You go ahead and you
do that and we've seen the example, and I give
you lists of guys who've done it and done it
well where they've had a chance to, I guess, elevate
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their love or play and their status and the lead
because if you evaluate her, if you got one guy
who stayed at one school, he has this number of
plays and touchdowns or whatever. But you got another guy
who's been at two schools and he has.
Speaker 13 (15:28):
Led both of those schools. To me, that tells me,
and it may sound a little.
Speaker 18 (15:32):
Biased, that that kid's got the acumen.
Speaker 13 (15:35):
He's shown us though. He can lead and he has
the ability to process two different systems, And I.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Think that's the other thing. Would cam Ward even be
in contention for the number one spot if he's spent
four years at Incarnate Word.
Speaker 18 (15:46):
No, I mean, if he stayed at Wazoo, even at
Washington State up he's probably not all that conversation.
Speaker 13 (15:52):
He's not.
Speaker 18 (15:52):
But he went to a school that has a name,
a school that has a pedigree, and everyone knows as
far as the University of Miami actually playing well and
their players or the school actually putting out a number
of NFL top players, that's that's kind of one of
the reasons.
Speaker 13 (16:09):
Now, we'll get me wrong. He had to back it
up with his play though, and he did.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, And that's the thing. I mean, you got you
gotta go, but you gotta you gotta take those opportunities.
I think at the quarterback positions even more valuable than
some of the others. You can get away with, you know,
with being that guy at other positions, but at the
quarterback position, especially moving up and level of competition, demonstrating
you can handle multiple systems, those kinds of things. I
think that goes incredibly long way. I'm with you on that.
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That is something that appears to have value as far
as that goes with guys coming into the NFL. As
we look forward on these things, we've had a couple
of different questions coming in and we've had a couple
of different a couple of different queries here. I'm gonna
skip over some beat for now, but there is what
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what first round selection would have the greatest short term payoff?
Like who do you think what would you think would
benefit the Broncos most in the short term and do
you think there's a better option that would benefit them
more in the long term.
Speaker 18 (17:10):
Well, I saw a long term, long term a defensive
player right there may be a bitch.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Alignement or a trade back. Even like guys don't benefit
your long term because you're gonna get more, you know, because.
Speaker 18 (17:20):
It's about value. How much value can you get now?
You can go high ceiling. I mean, for me, I
like guys if you're taking them in later rounds far
as long term, a guy with a high ceiling, because
that's a guy who you're not expecting to come in
and contribute right away, but you know he has start
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a POTENTI you put him around Zach Allen and a
lot of those guys, he has some time to be
in the scheme.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And this is where you.
Speaker 18 (17:47):
Go interior or even outside pass rusher that those guys
have an opportunity to develop as players. There's not a
lot of pressure to play them right away, as though
you would do if you're talking about a quarterback now,
someone that can help you right now. I mean, that's
that's obvious to me. Am I gonna go two ways.
Whyde receiver running back?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I don't even I see, I don't even think receiver
has much of an immediate impact. First of all, receivers
usually take a little longer to kind of hit the
stride in the league. And then on top of that,
who you taking off the field to put that guy on.
You're taking Mims off over well something.
Speaker 18 (18:21):
Let me let me be a little more, uh, get
put more context on him because I didn't see how
about a receiver who has the ability to run routes
and get separate.
Speaker 13 (18:32):
But here's the biggest thing.
Speaker 18 (18:33):
Because the Broncos want to run the ball right, you
need a wide receiver who can block.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
There's not anybody that checks all those box who's married
to that like McMillan doesn't separate, you know, doesn't really
block all that well. I think he's a great block.
I mean willing, at.
Speaker 13 (18:51):
Least willing is better than I'm just gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Put some if you're putting out there, I mean you're
putting him in the slot, right, So you're taking Ingram
off the field.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
No, no, you're not.
Speaker 18 (19:03):
No, No, in no scenario you take Ingram off the field.
Ingram is still I know you call him a big slide.
He's still a tight end, but he's not an.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
In line tight end.
Speaker 18 (19:11):
But the way that with Ingram, the way you block
is the same way that I watched Shannon Sharp block
I hear.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
What you're saying. I'm saying they don't. He just does
not line up in line, like a guy's spent less
than twenty percent of his career in line.
Speaker 18 (19:22):
You don't have to, I mean you you can open
him up and essentially you have You're gonna run four.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Wide except with the tight end out there?
Speaker 13 (19:29):
Why not? Why not? You can?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And then the same look, you can't do a lot
of things. If I could run no back, I could
go five. Well, I run the oop to you, but
you take you back with Varcy blues wit Wing's getting
you in the video game.
Speaker 13 (19:40):
Just run the ball. Twitter right, he's staying in the
video game. Just run the ball.
Speaker 17 (19:44):
H So I this said just because you can do
it doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Why not?
Speaker 18 (19:48):
I mean just because it goes against I guess the
general sense of things when it comes to football doesn't
necessarily mean that you shouldn't explore if you have the personnel,
you can't think being kind of a one track mind, guy,
this is the scheme that I've always run. No, you
got to think outside the box, creativity bench.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I mean, I'm with you on that again. When this
coaching staff ever shown that they're going to do that
on the ones head and then on the other. Eventually,
you do got to take somebody off the field put
the up. We just got through having the coach and
the general manager say, hey, look, the two best friends
a quarterback and have is a strong defense and a
strong run game, and we're taking away the run game
to put more more guys out there in pass routes.
Speaker 18 (20:23):
But this is why you throw different personnel groupings at opponies.
Like we've seen Sean Payton with that wobble house me
and you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right on that scatter covered by the way, yes on
that me and you.
Speaker 18 (20:36):
It's different situations in game situations, and different personnel group.
Speaker 13 (20:41):
Is in play calls for.
Speaker 18 (20:43):
Specific points of the game as far as down to
diston and where you are.
Speaker 13 (20:47):
So I would like to think that by adding.
Speaker 18 (20:49):
Certain players offensively is going to force him to change
some of the things that he was customarily known for.
Because guess what if you coaching this game long enough offensively,
they got a book.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh yeah, they got a book. You coach more than
one game, they got a book. Right, So the idea
might be a little bit thinner, might be a novella
instead of a full on you know could be.
Speaker 18 (21:10):
So, so you have to show the willingness to break
your tendencies. If you don't show the willness to break
your tendencies, are you setting yourself in the team up
for success.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I say no, I'm with We're in total agreement there.
I just like, at the end of the day, I
cannot I don't think receiver has immediate impact for the
Broncos just because there's a there's not enough reps. Uh,
there's not enough there's I mean, who you who are
you taking off the field?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Some point?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You got to take somebody off the field?
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Right?
Speaker 17 (21:32):
You can only put you can only put five receivers.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Total out there, and that's if you've got no back
of no tight end.
Speaker 13 (21:36):
And that's the art of competition, is it not? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I mean, but are you really like you go with
the rest of you got right now right and you
believe in Vle and mems so and you and you
know you're not taking course sut off field. So I mean,
you're not taking out an angerm You just pay them
all that money. So who are who are we taking
off the field?
Speaker 18 (21:51):
Look? Man, it's the art of competition. And if you
want to keep your job, just because and that's.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
What it is.
Speaker 18 (21:56):
It's it's like, honest, it's a year to year gig. Right,
do you earn your spot on the team, You earn your.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I'm just saying I'm looking at the team and I'm like, hey,
we got a spot a running back. We need some
help in. I want to get some deaths of d
line uh receiver. I can wait on that.
Speaker 13 (22:09):
I mean, I'm not saying that the Broncos are going
to take a guy early. You can wait on it.
Speaker 18 (22:13):
But to add more talent to it, man, look, that'd
be great, right because you're adding more competition to make
that room better. Like when we look at the Broncos
offensive wide receiver room, we saw mimes.
Speaker 13 (22:27):
Come on, we know what we think of Courtland.
Speaker 18 (22:30):
Now this vle they got big plans for They have
big plans for them. But for me, it's adding more weapons.
You can you can never have more offensive weapons at
wide receiver, just like you can't have enough pass rushers
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, I with that theory that said, I'm still
taking the running back there for the immediate impact.
Speaker 13 (22:49):
Of course, you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Did you not first?
Speaker 18 (22:55):
Did you think I was saying all that to say
Broncos go wide.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Receiver at twins. I thought you were bagging the table. Okay,
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Nuggets basketball. Ryan, how you doing this evening?
Speaker 11 (23:47):
Been a busy a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Not gonna lie, but we are. We are rolling right there.
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I'm excited to get going tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That we are. The Nuggets currently two and a half
point favorites. In that game. Although the Clippers are actually
favorite in the series, I do believe the Nuggets have
been playing pretty well under interim coach David Adelman. I
don't know if he's done enough to win the job
just yet, but certainly if he continues so they continue
to play the way they have, could could definitely be
(24:12):
somebody that's in the conversation what have you noticed most
about this team post Michael Malone's.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
It's a lot of the buzzwords that you like to
hear about teams that know that they've done something bad
and need.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
To figure it out again.
Speaker 11 (24:27):
It's the communication, the accountability, the holding everybody up and
then making sure to understand that you're not going to
get through this moment unless you get through it together,
and then supporting each other.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Things like that.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
We were hearing a lot of that under Michael Malone,
and then especially it wasn't necessarily his fault. I just
think that there's more of a conscious effort given that
the Nuggets know.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
I think that.
Speaker 11 (24:53):
They screwed up over the course of this season that
they have to improve, They have to be better, They
have to like they're going to get through this moment,
they have to come together and then figure this thing
out as a team. And I can't just be Nikola Jokic.
You can't just be Jamal Murray has to be everybody.
Speaker 18 (25:10):
So let's talk about that, because when I look at
this matchup, you may say, well, it favors Denver Nuggets
because of Nikola Jokic, But it goes deeper than that
for me, because there's a lot of cross matchups that
are going to come into play. Because I know Tyler
lou is going to force a lot of switches and
outside of Aaron Gordon, tell me where the defense comes from.
(25:32):
Because you got Chris Dunn, who is developed into a
great player for the Clippers, you have Kawhi and you
have James Harden, who's a walking bucket.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
How do you stop those guys.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
It's gonna be.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Tough, There's no two ways about it. Denver is like
so they have their own strength on the offensive them
that are going to make the Clippers have to adjust.
But I think this series, in a lot of ways,
is going to come down to which team is forced
to adjust on the defensive end. First, the Nuggets don't
really have anybody great to guard Norman Palell. It's either
(26:06):
going to be Jamal Murray or Michael Porter. You know,
Christian Brown's probably gonna guard James Harden a lot of
the time. You know, Aaron Gordon's gonna have to guard
Why Leonard a lot of this time. Those guys will
be fine. It's not going to be anything crazy. But
what I do think is that if Norman palle starts
to get going, it is if Easa Zubats starts to
get going, if other guys on this team start to
(26:27):
get going, Denver's going to really struggle.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
So they have to put a whole.
Speaker 11 (26:32):
Bunch of pressure on the offensive end themselves. Michael Porter
is going to have a big moment in this series.
Whether it's a good one or a bad one. I
have not decided to get which one it is.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Tyler Ryan Blackburn, Myleye Sports as we as we look
at this this team, we look at this match up.
To me, I feel like that the Nuggets have the
advantage in size. On the inside, it feels like that
this could be something that you know, maybe you outside
of Zobac doesn't feel like the Clippers really have a
whole lot going on to the big side of the house.
(27:04):
Could this be something where you're sending Yokich and maybe
even getting Jordan a few more than maybe ten twelve
minutes a game in there to try to see if
you get a little something going with him and trying to
take advantage of the Clippers that way.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
It'll be interesting if they decided to play both of
those guys together.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
But I don't I don't really think it's a thing.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
I think that given that the NBA has now become
a three point game there, there's so many possessions that
just end in an open corner three or an open
perimeter shot if Jokich and DeAndre Jordan are on the
floor for extended periods of time together. But it is
a good thought that Denver should be trying to use
their signs, should be trying to use athleticism. It's another
way that Porter, specifically at six ten, can really get
(27:42):
involved because he's probably going to be guarded by six
foot three Norman Palace, six foot four to six ft
five James Harden. So this is this is an area
where Denver should be better. You're one hundred percent correct there.
It's about toughness, it's about grit, it's about want to
and it's just about understanding your advance and being able
to fulfill that. So I'm curious to see how Denver
(28:04):
handles it. The Clippers have been extremely tough and hard
nosed the entire season, though there's a reason why they've
been top three in defensive rating for much of the year.
I think this is going to be a big challenge
for Denver, But you're right, if Denver wants to win
this series, they're going to have to win that margin battle.
They're going to have to edge out in the second
(28:24):
champ points category.
Speaker 18 (28:26):
Now, when we look at individuals who are talking about
this particular matchup obviously is one of many matchups in
the West that should have been like you could have
seen them as being conference finals, And when you look
at the matchup within itself, I mean we're talking about
pros and cons.
Speaker 13 (28:41):
Defense versus offense.
Speaker 18 (28:44):
Do you think this series has what it takes to
go to a seven game series? And if it does,
if it does, who wins that seven game series?
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Well, it definitely does have the capability, There's no doubt
about it. In my mind, Denver has an enough talent,
but they also have enough I think problematic areas where
you look at ways that the Clippers could execute a
little bit better, could attack some weaknesses that they have,
and if Denver just doesn't shoot well in one or
two games, then they absolutely are probably going to lose
(29:15):
those games.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
So the Nuggets will have to.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
Be locked in if they want to make it anything
less than a seven game series. So I think that
if it does go to game seven, you're looking at
the teams that are able to make the most like
obviously have the most buckets with the fewest amount of turnovers.
If you can handle it making sure you're not beating yourself,
making sure that you are stealing some of those extra
(29:37):
possessions getting to the foul line, the Clippers would be
pretty good in that situation. Hardin is not necessarily known
as a great playoffs performer, to be clear, but Denver
doesn't have a great matchup against them, and Kawhi Leonard
is just another guy that can get you buckets.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
He can get you opportunities.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
Norman pal is a similar guy like that. So it'll
be tough if it goes seven. I think Nuggets, and
especially after last year where you lose a game seven
at home, you cannot feel comfortable. There's no way to
feel comfortable in a game seven like that, I would
still pick Denver because they have Jokic, of course, but
that's a dangerous game Kyl.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Ryan BlackBerry my sports run. You know, Nicolas put together
a historic season. Maybe not ever been a season like this,
maybe not ever will be a season like this. And
yet he, despite being the best basketball player on Earth
currently playing, despite being the most statistically accomplished basketball player,
despite being the most valuable player to his team, is
probably not going to win the MVP award. Aside from
(30:35):
Nicola Jokic not caring about that, and maybe that exacerbates
my own care about it. You know, why is it
that we feel the need to vote for the highest
score on the winning team rather than the actual most
valuable player.
Speaker 11 (30:52):
It's tough because I good point view of fair amounts
of numbers, of fair amounts of metrics that have SGA
as a more valuable play And part of the reason
for that is the gap in games played and minutes played.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Part of that is the amount of winning that Okac
has done. And when you win.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
Eighteen more games in a season, it can't just be
attributed to the supporting cast. It mostly is like, I'm
not going to sit here and say that SGA is
a better player than Jokic, But for a lot of
the time in the NBA's history, the best player did
not win the MVP. And it's the exact situation like
this one where you have another guy who is probably
(31:33):
the second best player in the NBA right now, and
he's had a winning season. They are the story of
the season. He has been fantastic all the way through.
The Nuggets just had their coaches their general manager fired.
Like I can point through a lot of different scenarios
where Jokic, like, as again, as awesome as he is,
he's clearly the best player in the world to me,
(31:54):
is still not as individually impactful at times as a
and yet saying something like that in the city of
Denver is blatching this and rightfully though, because this guy
has been lifting Denver up onto the map by himself
in so many ways. So I feel very conflicted about
it as somebody who's been very close to the situation.
Speaker 18 (32:16):
See Ryan, even though I live in Denver, I have
a different take. It's my own realistic take. And I
hear what Ben said, and Ryan Evers would say the
same thing. Well, the MVP goes to the most valuable
player on a particular team. And when I think about it,
the Nuggets have a big three, three guys that they're
(32:37):
playing extensive amount of money, and not all those guys
really elevate their love of play. That's not SGA's fault.
And it's wild that we have these conversations about, you know,
who's going to be the MVP, because like to talk
about one guy, it's almost like we're putting down the
other guy and saying, well, you know, their quality of work,
(32:58):
you know, doesn't count. But I'll look at it distarb.
You know that both players have been extraordinary. Well we
look at the player who has a team play at
a top level. Yes, okay, see has a couple of
players that are contributing, but we know the SGA. You
take him out of that lineup, a lot of things
change for okay.
Speaker 13 (33:18):
See. So do you think we ever get to a
point where we can.
Speaker 18 (33:21):
Give both guys credit without tearing either one of those
guys down.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Probably not.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
That's the unfortunate reality of the debate nature of sports
in today's In today's world, I'll say, what I will
say is that there are a lot of reasons to
believe that Jokic specifically just had one of the greatest
individual seasons that we have.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Ever seen ever. And when you lead or when you're.
Speaker 11 (33:48):
Top three in points, rebounds, assist and steals, when you
have thirty four triple doubles, when you nearly average a
thirty thirteen to ten, it can when you start to
stack it up and you start to stack up some
of the individual performances he has had to will denver
to a top four seed as opposed to I think
with Oka, see they've been in a very advantageous scenario,
(34:10):
a same situation because of how committed their entire team
is to defending and then giving up the ball in
a lot of these situations. That doesn't denigrate anything that
he has accomplished. He is having one of the best
guard seasons since Michael Jordan. So it's just an all
time race. And the fact that it's going to go
to the guy for on the team that one when
(34:31):
what's sixty eight games, I don't feel bad about that
if I'm a Nuggets fan. It took that in order
to really taken an.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
MVP award away from Jokis. It was absolute.
Speaker 11 (34:44):
Lunacy when they did the same thing with him be
two years ago, and that was a wild MVP race
to be a part of and to cover at that time.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
This is different.
Speaker 11 (34:54):
This is a guy who's just been just as good.
Speaker 13 (34:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But see, that's maybe where my frustrations st from is
that they already you know, they already slided him once
with the umbiid thing, which was stupid. That was just stupid.
At least. I'm not trying to dog I'm not trying
to dog Sga here because he's a hell of a
basketball player. I'm just saying, like, at the end of
the day, you look at the splits of both these
guys being on the court and off the court, what
they meant to their team. It's like Nikola Yolki is
on a whole other planet, you know, in terms of
(35:21):
the impact and the lack of impact that the rest
of it is. I don't know at the end of
the day, and I'm not you know, I'm not a
Denver native, But as I look at this, this just
seems like, you know, a case of, Hey, the voters
have voted for this guy a couple of times, and
what he's doing that special seems mundane now because it's
every day for him. So we're moving on to this
other guy who's newer, who's also doing something good, maybe
(35:41):
not quite as good, but still, you know, excellent in.
Speaker 13 (35:43):
These few things.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And that's just kind of what it feels like to me.
Speaker 11 (35:47):
I understand it, Like I won't I won't blame anybody
for looking at the numbers that you could just put
up and be like, that's the MVP.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
This is why we have a race. This is why
when you when you.
Speaker 11 (35:58):
Subscribe to group think, uh, which the MVP race in
a lot of these years has just come down to,
then you're not able to have nuanced conversations about it anymore.
And it's fine to have that opinion. It's also fine
to have the opinion that SGA means more in this
in this particular time because of where his team is
at and.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Because of what this team means for the NBA this season.
Speaker 11 (36:19):
And then so I understand both perspectives.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Trying to do crazy.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Stuff like adding Jason Patum into the conversation and then
be honest that that Giannest has been great, but like
he's just not at the same level. That that's where
I start to have an issue. If these guys don't
like get one hundred percent of the first and second
place votes in the race this year, I'll be shocked.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, yeah, that would be the part where I really
rave if I see somebody else in there voted first
or second, either one of those two in whichever order.
If I see anybody else, I am going to melt
down because I'm like, what sport were you? Did you
watch soccer whole year.
Speaker 17 (36:56):
And then decide it's a bit a ballot.
Speaker 11 (36:57):
It's the thing that I look for every year when
I when I look at the voter results and see,
all right, so which guy decided to put Yokic fifth
on his MVP ballots this year?
Speaker 6 (37:07):
That was?
Speaker 11 (37:08):
That was That was a pretty interesting take that this
person had. So we'll find out when when these totals
are released, probably in the in the middle of the
second round or something. But it's always always interesting to
pay attention to those dynamics and see which guys just
don't care for for what Yokic does and then want
to vote for anybody else. That's that's the the flight
(37:31):
that I think you should be looking for.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, well yeah, and that's you know, that's half the
fun of it. Ryan, real quick series prediction nuggets and
five Nuggets and six nuggets and seven.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
I have nuggets and six Nuggets and five, but I
think the be a.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Pretty aggressive one.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
I haven't heard many people, honestly like with the ways
the Clippers are favored right now. It feels like the
public has really turned the tide.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
For for the Clippers.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
But I still think that Denver has more answers than
the Clippers do in a lot of these cases. And
you mentioned and beyond Zubats, like, they just do not
have another big that can contend with Jokic, And there
is some La Lakers in this team where you have
a lot of big forwards that should be able to
switch and guard and really swarm and do some of
the things that the Lakers did that really surprised everybody.
(38:17):
So there are some ways that they could combat it
if Zubab gets into trouble. But I kind of think
that Denver is past that. I really do think that
they've turned an emotional corner over the course of these
past couple of weeks, which is insane to say, but
the vibe in that building is different, and I think
the results are soon to follow.
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Speaker 17 (08:31):
Welcome back to the Broncos Country Tonight.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson, sax Feaker's back there behind the
glass five six six nine zeros text line Parshade. All
the texts that are coming through. We had quite a
few of them, still have quite few of them. Coming
here with the the profit makes the Draft day reference.
I remember seeing you messing the movie Draft Day, Keller
cos nobody went to bow Callahan's birthday party. Yes, all
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times so bad. It's a good movie if you're a
if you're a football fan, that is a good un watch. Yeah,
Prophet said, is the trade back no matter what, just
doesn't look as good on a post it trade magno
matter what of the post it is marketing. Remember, Yeah,
it does not look as good on the the post it.
So I'm with you on that. Nick. You want to
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talk about a move that has proven value in the NFL.
Speaker 18 (09:20):
Yeah, it does, And I know when I send it
to Zach it seemed like it was very secretive.
Speaker 13 (09:27):
But it speaks volumes to both college.
Speaker 18 (09:30):
Football and the NFL simultaneously because we know obviously the
college football ranks as the feeder pool for the NFL.
So when you think about it, I'll give you a
couple of names and these players that give a little
context on it. Yes, this has something to do with
the transfer portal, and I think the transfer portal has
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now become a big issue for a lot of teams
when they don't know what prospects are going to main
with their team, but has become somewhat of an excellent
jump start for quarterbacks for those who guys who play
the quarterback posistence. Now, it doesn't work out for everyone,
where for these quarterbacks, I'm going to give you it
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has worked out magnificently for them because when you evaluating quarterbacks,
you want to see how well they played in a
given system against the talent within that given conference. But
when you were a guy that could transfer one conference
and go to another conference and have success, what it
says to tell evaluators, Hey, there's a certain level of
maturity that we have in this young quarterback that you
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may not have that time in the NFL to wait
for that guy to develop, and you may need that
maturity right away.
Speaker 13 (10:42):
So here's what I mean.
Speaker 18 (10:44):
So when you think about you know, Cam War, where
Cam War was before he transferred to the University of Miami.
He was at Wazou and no one was really talking
about him as much as they are now, being as
though he played for the University of Miami. Now, he
threw the ball well at Wazoo, but it just kind
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of jumped off the page because the players and talent
that was around him, So God was in the transfer portal.
So Quinn yours another guy who's coming out in his draft.
Guess what transfer? Jane Daniels transfer from the PAC twelve
to the SEC and he proved to be one hell
of a quarterback in his rookie year for Adam Peters and.
Speaker 13 (11:27):
The Washington Commanders.
Speaker 18 (11:29):
Joe Burrow was a transfer himself, right, So you look
at those types of guys. Now, I'll throw Justin Fields
in there because he transferred, he did well in college.
We still don't know to see what happens with the
New York Jets. But guess who was another quarterback drafting
the NFL. No one thought that he would do as
well as he did, or the Broncos shouldn't have taken him.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Bnicks tran ight.
Speaker 13 (11:52):
So my whole point.
Speaker 18 (11:54):
Is when we look at the transfer portal, it has
worked well for some quarterbacks, putting them in the right system,
We're in the right conference to help them elevate their
draft status. Shardor Sanders, he was at Jackson State. Do
you think if Shador Sanders stayed at Jackson State along
with Travis Hunter, either of those guys would be in
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a position.
Speaker 13 (12:17):
That they're in absolutely not, but they made a jump
and it worked.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I think there's value to it. You know, there's there's
an up added down to all of that. You know,
there's something like, what was it we had ten thousand
people in the portal for in the transfer portal right
now for basketball, some like at ten thousand people looking
at six thousand spots.
Speaker 13 (12:38):
That's not gonna go ten thousand something like ten.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I have to go back and look there. There's an
absurd number of people in the in the transfer portal
right now, and something like sixty percent of them don't
have homes, like they are not gonna have a landing spot.
They're gonna have to drop down a level.
Speaker 13 (12:53):
That's guys getting.
Speaker 18 (12:56):
Bad.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, yeah, there's advice. There's a lot of guys here,
but they're it can work out too. The key I
think to all this and what guys need to look
at is you don't want to be like the kid
from Tennessee who's chasing the bag right now, jumping from
school to school, you know, chasing the back. What you
want to be is like a cam Ward, a guy
who continues to He started off in a card at Word.
He went to Washington State, then He was like, he's
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looking for reps. He's looking to move up in competition.
He's looking for reps. And if you're a quarterback and
you're trying to get in the NFL, there is no
substitution for live game reps, period, point blank, end of discussion.
Look at the guys that have come out and been
better than you thought they were the guys that went
to it, went up in competition and got reps. Jade Dangs,
you just talked about Bodex played the SEC, but he
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wanted to get reps. Went to Oregon. We talked about
Papa Holmes. He didn't transfer, but he got a ton
of reps there as a four year starter at Texas Tech.
When you're looking at this guys that are coming out
with tons of reps, it's a good thing. It used
to be the want of these guys young so they
could develop them. You know, the Stafford era where you're
trying to get twenty twenty one year old quarterbacks and
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in the develop that's up over we see what happened
when when you don't get reps. We see what happens.
Speaker 13 (14:03):
You come in the league, you.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Got your one year starter or you barely started any games.
Look what happened to Trey Lance. Look what happened to
Anthony Richardson, What happened to Zach Wilson, look at look
at these guys who didn't get enough reps at the
collegiate level, didn't get though stars, didn't get enough snaps.
Look what happened.
Speaker 18 (14:19):
And that's why if you are looking for a quarterback
or hell, a player at any position, you look for
the level of experience.
Speaker 13 (14:28):
What's that experience?
Speaker 18 (14:29):
Right, There's there's no way to over compensate for that
other than having live game reps. Like but when we
think about Shadora Sanders and some people are hiring some
people who are not, just think about the number of
games that he's actually played, the number of games in HBCU,
and then the number of games he played on the
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collegiate level.
Speaker 13 (14:51):
So when we started to evaluate, for me, I think
it's great.
Speaker 18 (14:55):
I don't want to encourage guys to transfer because I
don't want guys who, you know, kind of put themselves
in a situation where now they don't have a scholarship.
But if you are that dude, then you can transfer.
You have that many opportunities. You go ahead and you
do that and we've seen the example, and I give
you lists of guys who've done it and done it
well where they've had a chance to, I guess, elevate
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their love or play and their status and the lead
because if you evaluate her, if you got one guy
who stayed at one school, he has this number of
plays and touchdowns or whatever. But you got another guy
who's been at two schools and he has.
Speaker 13 (15:28):
Led both of those schools. To me, that tells me,
and it may sound a little.
Speaker 18 (15:32):
Biased, that that kid's got the acumen.
Speaker 13 (15:35):
He's shown us though. He can lead and he has
the ability to process two different systems, And I.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Think that's the other thing. Would cam Ward even be
in contention for the number one spot if he's spent
four years at Incarnate Word.
Speaker 18 (15:46):
No, I mean, if he stayed at Wazoo, even at
Washington State up he's probably not all that conversation.
Speaker 13 (15:52):
He's not.
Speaker 18 (15:52):
But he went to a school that has a name,
a school that has a pedigree, and everyone knows as
far as the University of Miami actually playing well and
their players or the school actually putting out a number
of NFL top players, that's that's kind of one of
the reasons.
Speaker 13 (16:09):
Now, we'll get me wrong. He had to back it
up with his play though, and he did.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, And that's the thing. I mean, you got you
gotta go, but you gotta you gotta take those opportunities.
I think at the quarterback positions even more valuable than
some of the others. You can get away with, you know,
with being that guy at other positions, but at the
quarterback position, especially moving up and level of competition, demonstrating
you can handle multiple systems, those kinds of things. I
think that goes incredibly long way. I'm with you on that.
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That is something that appears to have value as far
as that goes with guys coming into the NFL. As
we look forward on these things, we've had a couple
of different questions coming in and we've had a couple
of different a couple of different queries here. I'm gonna
skip over some beat for now, but there is what
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what first round selection would have the greatest short term payoff?
Like who do you think what would you think would
benefit the Broncos most in the short term and do
you think there's a better option that would benefit them
more in the long term.
Speaker 18 (17:10):
Well, I saw a long term, long term a defensive
player right there may be a bitch.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Alignement or a trade back. Even like guys don't benefit
your long term because you're gonna get more, you know, because.
Speaker 18 (17:20):
It's about value. How much value can you get now?
You can go high ceiling. I mean, for me, I
like guys if you're taking them in later rounds far
as long term, a guy with a high ceiling, because
that's a guy who you're not expecting to come in
and contribute right away, but you know he has start
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a POTENTI you put him around Zach Allen and a
lot of those guys, he has some time to be
in the scheme.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And this is where you.
Speaker 18 (17:47):
Go interior or even outside pass rusher that those guys
have an opportunity to develop as players. There's not a
lot of pressure to play them right away, as though
you would do if you're talking about a quarterback now,
someone that can help you right now. I mean, that's
that's obvious to me. Am I gonna go two ways.
Whyde receiver running back?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I don't even I see, I don't even think receiver
has much of an immediate impact. First of all, receivers
usually take a little longer to kind of hit the
stride in the league. And then on top of that,
who you taking off the field to put that guy on.
You're taking Mims off over well something.
Speaker 18 (18:21):
Let me let me be a little more, uh, get
put more context on him because I didn't see how
about a receiver who has the ability to run routes
and get separate.
Speaker 13 (18:32):
But here's the biggest thing.
Speaker 18 (18:33):
Because the Broncos want to run the ball right, you
need a wide receiver who can block.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
There's not anybody that checks all those box who's married
to that like McMillan doesn't separate, you know, doesn't really
block all that well. I think he's a great block.
I mean willing, at.
Speaker 13 (18:51):
Least willing is better than I'm just gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Put some if you're putting out there, I mean you're
putting him in the slot, right, So you're taking Ingram
off the field.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
No, no, you're not.
Speaker 18 (19:03):
No, No, in no scenario you take Ingram off the field.
Ingram is still I know you call him a big slide.
He's still a tight end, but he's not an.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
In line tight end.
Speaker 18 (19:11):
But the way that with Ingram, the way you block
is the same way that I watched Shannon Sharp block
I hear.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
What you're saying. I'm saying they don't. He just does
not line up in line, like a guy's spent less
than twenty percent of his career in line.
Speaker 18 (19:22):
You don't have to, I mean you you can open
him up and essentially you have You're gonna run four.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Wide except with the tight end out there?
Speaker 13 (19:29):
Why not? Why not? You can?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And then the same look, you can't do a lot
of things. If I could run no back, I could
go five. Well, I run the oop to you, but
you take you back with Varcy blues wit Wing's getting
you in the video game.
Speaker 13 (19:40):
Just run the ball. Twitter right, he's staying in the
video game. Just run the ball.
Speaker 17 (19:44):
H So I this said just because you can do
it doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Why not?
Speaker 18 (19:48):
I mean just because it goes against I guess the
general sense of things when it comes to football doesn't
necessarily mean that you shouldn't explore if you have the personnel,
you can't think being kind of a one track mind, guy,
this is the scheme that I've always run. No, you
got to think outside the box, creativity bench.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I mean, I'm with you on that again. When this
coaching staff ever shown that they're going to do that
on the ones head and then on the other. Eventually,
you do got to take somebody off the field put
the up. We just got through having the coach and
the general manager say, hey, look, the two best friends
a quarterback and have is a strong defense and a
strong run game, and we're taking away the run game
to put more more guys out there in pass routes.
Speaker 18 (20:23):
But this is why you throw different personnel groupings at opponies.
Like we've seen Sean Payton with that wobble house me
and you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right on that scatter covered by the way, yes on
that me and you.
Speaker 18 (20:36):
It's different situations in game situations, and different personnel group.
Speaker 13 (20:41):
Is in play calls for.
Speaker 18 (20:43):
Specific points of the game as far as down to
diston and where you are.
Speaker 13 (20:47):
So I would like to think that by adding.
Speaker 18 (20:49):
Certain players offensively is going to force him to change
some of the things that he was customarily known for.
Because guess what if you coaching this game long enough offensively,
they got a book.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh yeah, they got a book. You coach more than
one game, they got a book. Right, So the idea
might be a little bit thinner, might be a novella
instead of a full on you know could be.
Speaker 18 (21:10):
So, so you have to show the willingness to break
your tendencies. If you don't show the willness to break
your tendencies, are you setting yourself in the team up
for success.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I say no, I'm with We're in total agreement there.
I just like, at the end of the day, I
cannot I don't think receiver has immediate impact for the
Broncos just because there's a there's not enough reps. Uh,
there's not enough there's I mean, who you who are
you taking off the field?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Some point?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You got to take somebody off the field?
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Right?
Speaker 17 (21:32):
You can only put you can only put five receivers.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Total out there, and that's if you've got no back
of no tight end.
Speaker 13 (21:36):
And that's the art of competition, is it not? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I mean, but are you really like you go with
the rest of you got right now right and you
believe in Vle and mems so and you and you
know you're not taking course sut off field. So I mean,
you're not taking out an angerm You just pay them
all that money. So who are who are we taking
off the field?
Speaker 18 (21:51):
Look? Man, it's the art of competition. And if you
want to keep your job, just because and that's.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
What it is.
Speaker 18 (21:56):
It's it's like, honest, it's a year to year gig. Right,
do you earn your spot on the team, You earn your.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I'm just saying I'm looking at the team and I'm like, hey,
we got a spot a running back. We need some
help in. I want to get some deaths of d
line uh receiver. I can wait on that.
Speaker 13 (22:09):
I mean, I'm not saying that the Broncos are going
to take a guy early. You can wait on it.
Speaker 18 (22:13):
But to add more talent to it, man, look, that'd
be great, right because you're adding more competition to make
that room better. Like when we look at the Broncos
offensive wide receiver room, we saw mimes.
Speaker 13 (22:27):
Come on, we know what we think of Courtland.
Speaker 18 (22:30):
Now this vle they got big plans for They have
big plans for them. But for me, it's adding more weapons.
You can you can never have more offensive weapons at
wide receiver, just like you can't have enough pass rushers
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, I with that theory that said, I'm still
taking the running back there for the immediate impact.
Speaker 13 (22:49):
Of course, you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Did you not first?
Speaker 18 (22:55):
Did you think I was saying all that to say
Broncos go wide.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Receiver at twins. I thought you were bagging the table. Okay,
posted notice is Matthew.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Golden the metal what No, no.
Speaker 13 (23:05):
No, that's not what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I'm just saying, which mighty speed.
Speaker 18 (23:08):
But still, I'm just saying the Broncos could add another
wide receiver to make sure guys don't get comfortable.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
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Seeker's back there behind the glass. Five six six nine
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at the Ka Collas Berreld hotline. I'm bringing it on Mile
High Sports. Ryan Blackburn talk a little bit of Denver
Nuggets basketball. Ryan, how you doing this evening?
Speaker 11 (23:47):
Been a busy a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Not gonna lie, but we are. We are rolling right there.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
I'm excited to get going tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That we are. The Nuggets currently two and a half
point favorites. In that game. Although the Clippers are actually
favorite in the series, I do believe the Nuggets have
been playing pretty well under interim coach David Adelman. I
don't know if he's done enough to win the job
just yet, but certainly if he continues so they continue
to play the way they have, could could definitely be
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somebody that's in the conversation what have you noticed most
about this team post Michael Malone's.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
It's a lot of the buzzwords that you like to
hear about teams that know that they've done something bad
and need.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
To figure it out again.
Speaker 11 (24:27):
It's the communication, the accountability, the holding everybody up and
then making sure to understand that you're not going to
get through this moment unless you get through it together,
and then supporting each other.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Things like that.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
We were hearing a lot of that under Michael Malone,
and then especially it wasn't necessarily his fault. I just
think that there's more of a conscious effort given that
the Nuggets know.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
I think that.
Speaker 11 (24:53):
They screwed up over the course of this season that
they have to improve, They have to be better, They
have to like they're going to get through this moment,
they have to come together and then figure this thing
out as a team. And I can't just be Nikola Jokic.
You can't just be Jamal Murray has to be everybody.
Speaker 18 (25:10):
So let's talk about that, because when I look at
this matchup, you may say, well, it favors Denver Nuggets
because of Nikola Jokic, But it goes deeper than that
for me, because there's a lot of cross matchups that
are going to come into play. Because I know Tyler
lou is going to force a lot of switches and
outside of Aaron Gordon, tell me where the defense comes from.
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Because you got Chris Dunn, who is developed into a
great player for the Clippers, you have Kawhi and you
have James Harden, who's a walking bucket.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
How do you stop those guys.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
It's gonna be.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Tough, There's no two ways about it. Denver is like
so they have their own strength on the offensive them
that are going to make the Clippers have to adjust.
But I think this series, in a lot of ways,
is going to come down to which team is forced
to adjust on the defensive end. First, the Nuggets don't
really have anybody great to guard Norman Palell. It's either
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going to be Jamal Murray or Michael Porter. You know,
Christian Brown's probably gonna guard James Harden a lot of
the time. You know, Aaron Gordon's gonna have to guard
Why Leonard a lot of this time. Those guys will
be fine. It's not going to be anything crazy. But
what I do think is that if Norman palle starts
to get going, it is if Easa Zubats starts to
get going, if other guys on this team start to
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get going, Denver's going to really struggle.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
So they have to put a whole.
Speaker 11 (26:32):
Bunch of pressure on the offensive end themselves. Michael Porter
is going to have a big moment in this series.
Whether it's a good one or a bad one. I
have not decided to get which one it is.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Tyler Ryan Blackburn, Myleye Sports as we as we look
at this this team, we look at this match up.
To me, I feel like that the Nuggets have the
advantage in size. On the inside, it feels like that
this could be something that you know, maybe you outside
of Zobac doesn't feel like the Clippers really have a
whole lot going on to the big side of the house.
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Could this be something where you're sending Yokich and maybe
even getting Jordan a few more than maybe ten twelve
minutes a game in there to try to see if
you get a little something going with him and trying to
take advantage of the Clippers that way.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
It'll be interesting if they decided to play both of
those guys together.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
But I don't I don't really think it's a thing.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
I think that given that the NBA has now become
a three point game there, there's so many possessions that
just end in an open corner three or an open
perimeter shot if Jokich and DeAndre Jordan are on the
floor for extended periods of time together. But it is
a good thought that Denver should be trying to use
their signs, should be trying to use athleticism. It's another
way that Porter, specifically at six ten, can really get
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involved because he's probably going to be guarded by six
foot three Norman Palace, six foot four to six ft
five James Harden. So this is this is an area
where Denver should be better. You're one hundred percent correct there.
It's about toughness, it's about grit, it's about want to
and it's just about understanding your advance and being able
to fulfill that. So I'm curious to see how Denver
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handles it. The Clippers have been extremely tough and hard
nosed the entire season, though there's a reason why they've
been top three in defensive rating for much of the year.
I think this is going to be a big challenge
for Denver, But you're right, if Denver wants to win
this series, they're going to have to win that margin battle.
They're going to have to edge out in the second
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champ points category.
Speaker 18 (28:26):
Now, when we look at individuals who are talking about
this particular matchup obviously is one of many matchups in
the West that should have been like you could have
seen them as being conference finals, And when you look
at the matchup within itself, I mean we're talking about
pros and cons.
Speaker 13 (28:41):
Defense versus offense.
Speaker 18 (28:44):
Do you think this series has what it takes to
go to a seven game series? And if it does,
if it does, who wins that seven game series?
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Well, it definitely does have the capability, There's no doubt
about it. In my mind, Denver has an enough talent,
but they also have enough I think problematic areas where
you look at ways that the Clippers could execute a
little bit better, could attack some weaknesses that they have,
and if Denver just doesn't shoot well in one or
two games, then they absolutely are probably going to lose
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those games.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
So the Nuggets will have to.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
Be locked in if they want to make it anything
less than a seven game series. So I think that
if it does go to game seven, you're looking at
the teams that are able to make the most like
obviously have the most buckets with the fewest amount of turnovers.
If you can handle it making sure you're not beating yourself,
making sure that you are stealing some of those extra
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possessions getting to the foul line, the Clippers would be
pretty good in that situation. Hardin is not necessarily known
as a great playoffs performer, to be clear, but Denver
doesn't have a great matchup against them, and Kawhi Leonard
is just another guy that can get you buckets.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
He can get you opportunities.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
Norman pal is a similar guy like that. So it'll
be tough if it goes seven. I think Nuggets, and
especially after last year where you lose a game seven
at home, you cannot feel comfortable. There's no way to
feel comfortable in a game seven like that, I would
still pick Denver because they have Jokic, of course, but
that's a dangerous game Kyl.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Ryan BlackBerry my sports run. You know, Nicolas put together
a historic season. Maybe not ever been a season like this,
maybe not ever will be a season like this. And
yet he, despite being the best basketball player on Earth
currently playing, despite being the most statistically accomplished basketball player,
despite being the most valuable player to his team, is
probably not going to win the MVP award. Aside from
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Nicola Jokic not caring about that, and maybe that exacerbates
my own care about it. You know, why is it
that we feel the need to vote for the highest
score on the winning team rather than the actual most
valuable player.
Speaker 11 (30:52):
It's tough because I good point view of fair amounts
of numbers, of fair amounts of metrics that have SGA
as a more valuable play And part of the reason
for that is the gap in games played and minutes played.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Part of that is the amount of winning that Okac
has done. And when you win.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
Eighteen more games in a season, it can't just be
attributed to the supporting cast. It mostly is like, I'm
not going to sit here and say that SGA is
a better player than Jokic, But for a lot of
the time in the NBA's history, the best player did
not win the MVP. And it's the exact situation like
this one where you have another guy who is probably
(31:33):
the second best player in the NBA right now, and
he's had a winning season. They are the story of
the season. He has been fantastic all the way through.
The Nuggets just had their coaches their general manager fired.
Like I can point through a lot of different scenarios
where Jokic, like, as again, as awesome as he is,
he's clearly the best player in the world to me,
(31:54):
is still not as individually impactful at times as a
and yet saying something like that in the city of
Denver is blatching this and rightfully though, because this guy
has been lifting Denver up onto the map by himself
in so many ways. So I feel very conflicted about
it as somebody who's been very close to the situation.
Speaker 18 (32:16):
See Ryan, even though I live in Denver, I have
a different take. It's my own realistic take. And I
hear what Ben said, and Ryan Evers would say the
same thing. Well, the MVP goes to the most valuable
player on a particular team. And when I think about it,
the Nuggets have a big three, three guys that they're
(32:37):
playing extensive amount of money, and not all those guys
really elevate their love of play. That's not SGA's fault.
And it's wild that we have these conversations about, you know,
who's going to be the MVP, because like to talk
about one guy, it's almost like we're putting down the
other guy and saying, well, you know, their quality of work,
(32:58):
you know, doesn't count. But I'll look at it distarb.
You know that both players have been extraordinary. Well we
look at the player who has a team play at
a top level. Yes, okay, see has a couple of
players that are contributing, but we know the SGA. You
take him out of that lineup, a lot of things
change for okay.
Speaker 13 (33:18):
See. So do you think we ever get to a
point where we can.
Speaker 18 (33:21):
Give both guys credit without tearing either one of those
guys down.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Probably not.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
That's the unfortunate reality of the debate nature of sports
in today's In today's world, I'll say, what I will
say is that there are a lot of reasons to
believe that Jokic specifically just had one of the greatest
individual seasons that we have.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Ever seen ever. And when you lead or when you're.
Speaker 11 (33:48):
Top three in points, rebounds, assist and steals, when you
have thirty four triple doubles, when you nearly average a
thirty thirteen to ten, it can when you start to
stack it up and you start to stack up some
of the individual performances he has had to will denver
to a top four seed as opposed to I think
with Oka, see they've been in a very advantageous scenario,
(34:10):
a same situation because of how committed their entire team
is to defending and then giving up the ball in
a lot of these situations. That doesn't denigrate anything that
he has accomplished. He is having one of the best
guard seasons since Michael Jordan. So it's just an all
time race. And the fact that it's going to go
to the guy for on the team that one when
(34:31):
what's sixty eight games, I don't feel bad about that
if I'm a Nuggets fan. It took that in order
to really taken an.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
MVP award away from Jokis. It was absolute.
Speaker 11 (34:44):
Lunacy when they did the same thing with him be
two years ago, and that was a wild MVP race
to be a part of and to cover at that time.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
This is different.
Speaker 11 (34:54):
This is a guy who's just been just as good.
Speaker 13 (34:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But see, that's maybe where my frustrations st from is
that they already you know, they already slided him once
with the umbiid thing, which was stupid. That was just stupid.
At least. I'm not trying to dog I'm not trying
to dog Sga here because he's a hell of a
basketball player. I'm just saying, like, at the end of
the day, you look at the splits of both these
guys being on the court and off the court, what
they meant to their team. It's like Nikola Yolki is
on a whole other planet, you know, in terms of
(35:21):
the impact and the lack of impact that the rest
of it is. I don't know at the end of
the day, and I'm not you know, I'm not a
Denver native, But as I look at this, this just
seems like, you know, a case of, Hey, the voters
have voted for this guy a couple of times, and
what he's doing that special seems mundane now because it's
every day for him. So we're moving on to this
other guy who's newer, who's also doing something good, maybe
(35:41):
not quite as good, but still, you know, excellent in.
Speaker 13 (35:43):
These few things.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And that's just kind of what it feels like to me.
Speaker 11 (35:47):
I understand it, Like I won't I won't blame anybody
for looking at the numbers that you could just put
up and be like, that's the MVP.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
This is why we have a race. This is why
when you when you.
Speaker 11 (35:58):
Subscribe to group think, uh, which the MVP race in
a lot of these years has just come down to,
then you're not able to have nuanced conversations about it anymore.
And it's fine to have that opinion. It's also fine
to have the opinion that SGA means more in this
in this particular time because of where his team is
at and.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Because of what this team means for the NBA this season.
Speaker 11 (36:19):
And then so I understand both perspectives.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Trying to do crazy.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Stuff like adding Jason Patum into the conversation and then
be honest that that Giannest has been great, but like
he's just not at the same level. That that's where
I start to have an issue. If these guys don't
like get one hundred percent of the first and second
place votes in the race this year, I'll be shocked.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, yeah, that would be the part where I really
rave if I see somebody else in there voted first
or second, either one of those two in whichever order.
If I see anybody else, I am going to melt
down because I'm like, what sport were you? Did you
watch soccer whole year.
Speaker 17 (36:56):
And then decide it's a bit a ballot.
Speaker 11 (36:57):
It's the thing that I look for every year when
I when I look at the voter results and see,
all right, so which guy decided to put Yokic fifth
on his MVP ballots this year?
Speaker 6 (37:07):
That was?
Speaker 11 (37:08):
That was That was a pretty interesting take that this
person had. So we'll find out when when these totals
are released, probably in the in the middle of the
second round or something. But it's always always interesting to
pay attention to those dynamics and see which guys just
don't care for for what Yokic does and then want
to vote for anybody else. That's that's the the flight
(37:31):
that I think you should be looking for.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, well yeah, and that's you know, that's half the
fun of it. Ryan, real quick series prediction nuggets and
five Nuggets and six nuggets and seven.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
I have nuggets and six Nuggets and five, but I
think the be a.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Pretty aggressive one.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
I haven't heard many people, honestly like with the ways
the Clippers are favored right now. It feels like the
public has really turned the tide.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
For for the Clippers.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
But I still think that Denver has more answers than
the Clippers do in a lot of these cases. And
you mentioned and beyond Zubats, like, they just do not
have another big that can contend with Jokic, And there
is some La Lakers in this team where you have
a lot of big forwards that should be able to
switch and guard and really swarm and do some of
the things that the Lakers did that really surprised everybody.
(38:17):
So there are some ways that they could combat it
if Zubab gets into trouble. But I kind of think
that Denver is past that. I really do think that
they've turned an emotional corner over the course of these
past couple of weeks, which is insane to say, but
the vibe in that building is different, and I think
the results are soon to follow.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Rod Blackbirds Mile High Sports look forward to catching up
again to here soon. Thanks then, thanks Nick, absolutely take care,
Rian Blackbird. My high sports would come back getting Nick
cosmeinor from the Athletic right here. I'm Ruckus Country today
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