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(01:11):
the fucking legend man Bill Burr.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I'm all right, yeah, right yeah. When you hear the
word legend, do you just feel old? Do you feel
like I'm accomplished? Ah? I don't know what I feel.
I never feel like I you know this, you know
this businesses you feel like you know any moment, like
whatever you got is going to go away. So I
just I don't pay attention to that stuff. I obviously
like it. No, legend doesn't make me feel old. It
(01:39):
makes me feel good. But when somebody's like, ah, man,
I grew up on your comedy. I started listening to
you when I was eight, I'm like going, oh my god,
you're seeing they're like, you know, divorced. You're like, oh god,
how old are myself? Yeah? I would say that's the
type of stuff makes me feel old.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I want to I want to go back a little bit.
If you don't mine, I want to know. You know
what got Bill Burr into comedy.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
For at a childhood? Somebody happy he gets into this
stuff used to then the delusions of fame get into
your head and then you somehow get into it. Uh No,
I mean I definitely liked it when I was growing up,
but I got into it by chance where you know,
(02:20):
I'm old man. So like I was watching it in
the seventies and eighties, but like show business was like
it was a million miles away. It was impossible. It
was not something that you could do, like, you know,
just take out a camera and start filming yourself. So
I grew up Massachusetts suburbs, so I thought, like, you know,
(02:41):
you had to be in Hollywood to get into it.
Like I had no idea. There was this huge stand
up scene in in uh Massachusetts. So I was working
in a warehouse and I was working with this guy
and he was into stand up the way I was.
And he was funny as hell. And one night we
were we used to uh used to go over his
house have a couple of beers before we went out,
you know, save some money, and he was we were
watching stand up, but he was going, Bill, what funny
(03:02):
than these guys like and you know, he goes one
one night, I'm gonna take a shot at Jack Daniels
and go up on stage. And that's when it stopped
being on TV and it was next to me, and
I started thinking like, oh, wait a minute, if he
can try it, I can try it. And still took
me another five years to figure it out. I started,
I started kind of late. Did you ever feel like
you had to wear a dress a fuck a cock?
(03:23):
You know in Hollywood?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, And that whole theory is ridiculous, But that's what's
going on out there, that there's more pedophiles in Hollywood
than there aren't plumbing. It's like, it's it's a problem,
why plumbing, I don't know, just like regular jobs, directing,
like directing, like every pedophile in jail like created, you know,
(03:48):
freaking you know. It's like no, it's like they're like,
that's what's going on. What's funny is what's going on
in Hollywood is going on in most businesses, where it's
like there's a lot of people working over time, not
getting paid, not getting credit and getting pushed down and
people at the top taking more and more. But the
problem with Hollywood is is those idiots stay in Hollywood
(04:12):
and they look at most of the country like flyover states,
and then they go on these stupid you know, awards shows,
and they talk down to them, and then that makes
them hate them, and then they love to see somebody
going down. The whole thing is it's like traveling is depressing, yeah,
because what you find is everybody really is the same,
like all of this stuff, like, you know, all these
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people are evildoers and they're this and that, and you
go over there and it's just everybody's the same. You know,
everybody you know wants to have money, to have a sandwich,
you want to find love, you want to be feel safe.
That's everybody is like that. But then they just they
just you know, the sociopaths get the dumb people wound up.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I feel like New York and La have no idea
what the rest of the country is actually, Like if
you grew up in New York and you grew up
in LA, you don't know what the real bubbles like.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
New Yorkers are some of the worst traveled people you
ever gonna meet. They're hilarious everywhere they go. They would
go to Guam and be like, oh, I go to Guam.
I try to get a bacon, egg and cheese, and
the ladies looking at me like, what are you talking about?
This place sucks. Where are the skyscrapers? Like that's what
cracks you about New York is Like what It's like
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the point of traveling is to get something different. Like
they go to La and they try to get a bacon,
egg and cheese. It's like, get a taco? What are
you doing when in Rome? Right? Yeah, I wouldn't come
here and try to get a burrito. I've seen Mexican
foods here. I just start laughing. It's like, no, I'm
not doing that's closest music.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Got a taco bell, That's that's usually what.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I love that you said that because Mexicans all think
that white people think taco bell is authentic Mexican food.
It's like, we're not that. That is crazy. Yeah, I
know Olive Garden is not a town. I understand that
they have hoarded out.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
What did Bilberg want to be before he became a comedian?
You just always wanted to do comedy.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I was just failing at everything. I did horrible in school.
I did good in school until it mattered. I was weird.
I did really good right up till eighth grade, and
then once college started paying attention. I don't know. I
just that's you know, I'm not going to get into it.
But that's when I'll like the ass hit the fan
with a lot of stuff. So then, yeah, I don't
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know what. I tried construction. I wasn't good at that landscaping.
I worked in warehouses. I knew I didn't want a boss,
and I also knew that I didn't want to go
into the same building for more than a year because
a few times I had jobs for over a year
and there was just something so depressing because you were
working for somebody else's dream and it was like a
year earlier, I was standing right here. I have not
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moved anywhere. I'm another year older. So yeah, and you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm depressed now. I was been here for fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
If I wasn't sitting in a throne, I was unloading
trust this guy's drinking from a chalice, Like I feel
good about this, I scented candle. No, I wasn't like
unloading trucks and getting hammered and driving drunk stuff you
did in the eighties. I mean that was basically what
(07:12):
it was. So and I was going part time to
college because idn't have money to go to college, so
I was paying my own way through it, and I
had already stayed back in first grade, so I just
felt like hopelessly behind until I started hanging out, you know,
with people that were into comedy, and then somehow I
found it and uh yeah, then I remember doing that,
and then that was just like, all right, this is
(07:33):
what this is what I'm supposed to do, because everything
else I was doing I just never felt I always
never felt like this is not it. I don't feel
like these people aren't the same kind of weird than
I am. You know, why do you think you're weird? Though?
I mean, like I think we're all like messed up
a little bit. Why don't think I'm weird? I don't
know if I if I knew why I was weird,
(07:53):
I wouldn't be weird.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I think I think you got a lot of common sense.
I'm like, this guy is just he's just since human being.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Well, I've learned from a lot of failures. Your own
are others, oh, my own okay, oh and also others.
Well that you know, I had a great education when
I got in to stand up the Big eighties. I
don't know how old you guys are, but the Big
eighty Okay, So the big eighties boom where stand up
comedy clubs exploded and all that, and then it just
(08:23):
got to the point you could just put like a
microphone anywhere and people would show up for comedy. So
the quality of it went down, and everybody was doing
a lot of people were doing blow, getting paid in
cash in and blow and all of that type of stuff.
And then it all came crashing down, and then the
irs showed up and everything, and then I then I started,
like I walked in like you know, the end of
(08:44):
the party. Balloons were on the ground, confetti, everybody passed out,
and I saw these headliners that were getting their wages
garnished and they had to talk to the irs to
go do some you know, funny Bone in another state
and everything. So my generation kind of learned like, all right, man,
you can party this away in about seven eight crucial years,
(09:05):
So you know, I learned from that. And then, uh,
you know, any young comics watching this year. Twenties and
thirties are difficult because you're struggling. And then also you
do that comparison thing like well you started the same
time I did, and you're here and I'm here, So
I must be doing something wrong, and then I start
hating you for some stupid reason, and then like that
takes up a lot of energy, and then one day
(09:26):
you just basically figured out like, all right, I'm making
the decisions here. I you know, I'm doing well and
not doing well by what I'm thinking rather than this
this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Did you ever want to quit once?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
No, one time I thought I wasn't gonna make it. It
was the only time I ever thought it. When was
this you bomb? No, No, I happen all the time.
That's just part of this stuff. I was doing the
I'm not gonna say where it was because it's a
sad story. We're gonna bump you out.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I was doing this this this this club that
I've just been going to for years and years and
years and years and years. Every other year I would
go there New Hour, going to get them, you know,
you know, I'm in with the Warning Radio guys. And
the same thirty people were showing up. So it was
after the late show and I was sitting there, you know,
wreaking a smoke because you could smoke. All three shows
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smelt like I thought a fire. My eyes were all
burning and I was just looking at the wait staff
and they were life as they had been there before,
and they were older, a little bit heavier, and they
were counting up that money and they were smoking their cigarettes,
and the same amount of people had showed up. And
that was the first time I like this thought went
in my head, like of like, wait a minute, am
(10:36):
I the guy who doesn't make it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
My god?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
The panic of that. I went back to the comedy
condo and I was just laying in bed trying to
turn it around, and my brain was just no, oh,
you're the guy is not going to make it. So
that was Yeah. Then I got back to New York
and it was better, you know. I came you know,
after the gig, I came back and then just like
the energy, I had a couple of good sets, you know.
(11:03):
Sunday night at the Boston Comedy Club was a huge
was a huge turning point for me in my career,
probably how I ended up here right now, and that
that would that would get me to think positive.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And you said you never bombed, right, And I'm all
the time you have, but I.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Don't think you bombed, Bill.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I think that people don't know if they should laugh
at what you're saying, you.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Know what I mean? Maybe now, but no, no, I
remember bombing so bad one time. This was comedy club
called Mixed Nuts that's now called the Comedy Union. That
was the black club, right. So I went down there,
and uh, it's funny. I started doing those rooms because
I used to listen to Richard Pryor so like his
albums were so live that you could like picture the crowd.
(11:47):
So I had this idea of what a crowd looked like.
It was weird. I'm white as hell on that like
that was my idea of what a crowd was. So I,
you know, ended up doing those rooms along with the
white rooms. Right. So I was on stage bombing so bad,
like like this right here, silence, and I just remember
hearing this woman's voice in the back. She just goes,
I ain't laughed yet about ten minutes, and then that
(12:12):
was the biggest laugh of the said. Everybody laughed, and
then they just started talking amongst themselves. And I did
not say I did know how to turn it around.
It was and there's something It's bad enough bombing in
front of your own people, but bombing in front of
another race of people knowing that you're taking down a
bunch of other white comics with you, like, because everybody
(12:34):
it's just like I don't like corny as mother. You
know it's not just me. Yeah, there are others out there.
They're funny. Yeah it was bad. You liked Richard pryor
what's your favorite m Maybe it was it something I said,
the one. I can't say half of them. You're gonna
(12:55):
get me in trouble half time. That was the set.
I'm lucking, I got a good night's sleep. I like
that Edwork's crazy. I will say I bought I bought
his albums because he just looked funny. That was the
first one I bought that Edward was crazy when when
he was pointing like that just he just looked funny.
(13:16):
And that's how I bought the first Eddie Murphy. Up.
I bought the first Eddie Murphy album because I was like, well,
he's also black, he must be funny. And that was
the first one we had the rose in his ear.
See how that works?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
So you did represent for all white comics because you
see one funny black comedy think yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
That's how it was. No, that's how it works. And
so It's almost like I found a genre of music,
so I would listen to it. I listened to all
of his stuff, and I just, uh, there was something
about the way he did it, which I didn't understand
it as a kid, but the way he did the
way he trashed white people, he got you to listen
to him and laugh at yourself. Where I think when
(13:51):
by the time def jam came around, crack eighties and
all of that, like where black comedy was, it was
like all right, enough for this like sort of pussy
footing around, you know, So then it was more like
that was like a different thing. But like what I
loved about Richard was like you like rooted for him,
You felt like you knew him. It was really insane.
(14:12):
I like, and I think he's the greatest of all time,
and I think it's even.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Close during that time, during that era when it seems
like that crack time where deaf comedy jam and the
comedy shows, was it hard for you to book in
those black rooms? Was it was like here comes the
white comedian again.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
No, that was the irony. It was hard for them
and you you, yeah, you had to like vouch for
him and everything, and the club owners right in front
of Yeah, you don't do that deaf jam stuff, do
you? You're not like MF and m FIN talking about you know,
I don't know what I can say on the show.
Yeah you're not, you're not, you're not. Oh wait, you
(14:46):
said sucking dick earlier the second I yeah. So they
would literally say that, and that was embarrassing when you'd
be standing there going like so, but what they're they
you'd come on, They didn't is they would just say,
I go up, do you think? And they I felt
(15:06):
like guys, Like all of those guys I worked for Talent,
Drew Fraser, Rob Stapleton, Kelly Capone, all the New York kings.
I used to do all of those rooms and uh,
oh god, those are all the memories of that one.
I remember Gerald Kelly had a room. Oh god, it
(15:27):
was a brutal room. It was somewhere in like Newark
and like the two thousands, and I remember that. I
remember this comedian was it ros g or something, Yeah,
rest her soul. She was on stage. She's super loud,
and she was super loud, and they weren't laughing at anything,
and she ended a safe She's like god, damn She's like,
(15:48):
I don't know who's coming up next, but he better
be funny because you motherfuckers ain't laughing. It's shit. And
then she brought me up and Gentleman Bilburgh didn't gonna
laugh at least. No, you know, it's weird. I went up,
had an okay set and I felt like I bombed
at anything, and randomly Chris Weber was there and he
came up, but he told me I was funny, and
(16:10):
it was little things like that. I'm like, well, this
guy's famous, this guy's successful. He thinks I'm funny, so
I think I'll be all right.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Do you change your thit when you're doing black rooms
versus white rooms?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I try not to. Early on I did. I'd be
on stage all of a sudden, I hear myself tagging
all my jokes with you know what I'm saying, and
I'd be like, why am I doing that? Why am
I doing that? Stop? Stop doing that?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
But you just would, and.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Then it was an easy way. It's an easy way
to get through those rooms. You can just be like,
I'm the white guy and I'm scared, and that's sort
of how you do it initially, just to get your
feet wet in those rooms. And then basically then it
becomes like, now can I actually go up here and
talk about what I want to talk about? Wear a
Bruin's T shirt, you know, hockey T shirt. And I
started experimenting with that, and I remember Patrice giving me
(17:00):
rest Is Soul Trey so new. Yeah, going like Bill's
trying to do his white shit in these black rooms.
Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it all dependent on the crowd.
It all dependent on the crowd. But I felt like
it's a weird thing where I feel like it's harder
to be a black comic in a black room than
it is to be a black comic in a white room,
and vice versa, because you can just play fish out
(17:22):
of water, like, oh wow, this is all different, gee, Louise,
you know, I'm all nervous up here and just literally
play into the stereotype. That's the easy laugh one hundred percent.
But not early on I forgive any of it, because
you're just trying to survive, because it's like, you know,
that's like not something like white people don't experience being
the only you a lot. You know, we just sort
(17:45):
of walk in ouh more white shit, you know, and
you just live that. So the first experience, and that's
was funny. When I first started doing those rooms, I
didn't see black people as individuals. I just saw black people.
And as I kept doing them and doing them, I
started to see individuals. Oh, this guy's like my buddy Mitch.
This guy's like you know, And I started to see, Oh,
(18:05):
this guy's a good guy. This guy's a piece of shit,
and this guy steals jokes, this guy's you know, and
it's like, oh, this is just like white people.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I was going to ask, you know, back in the day,
what you name some of those comedians from Talent to Compone,
It seems like comedy.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Had a brotherhood, like you'll f with each other.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Now it doesn't seem like that, especially with Kat William
throwing missiles at everybody. Was it a brotherhood back then
or was it always competition in missis now?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It always was? It just you couldn't you couldn't air
your grievances on social media and that type of stuff.
Like no, there still is, like there still is like
a comrade, especially the people that you like you start
out with when you go up and you're doing like
open mics and stuff, it's just one impossible situation after another,
and you just get thrown into these things and you
(18:53):
sort of bond with each other through just you know,
I mean I did gigs, like we don't have a microphone.
Is that going to be a problem. We're just gonna
have you stand here in this hall. Oh my god. No,
it was just like some of the stuff, some of
the places, and then you would just what kept you
going was your friend in the crowd laughing at you,
(19:14):
watching you trying to figure this situation out. So there's
definitely that. But you know, people focus on the negative
or whatever. So I mean, generally speaking, we get along.
It's nowhere difference than other other stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Now, when you see the black comedians going back and
forth with each other, what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Do you do you even look at it as the
black communia? You just look at his comedians, no comedians,
because white comedians are doing it too. Really, Yeah, what's what?
What's your colubsation? Oh uh, you know, I don't know
because I'm old, but like there's definitely you know, I'm
an old school guy where I look at all that
stuff like that's locker room stuff. And if you have
a problem with somebody, you should go to them and
(19:55):
say it. That's how I came up. And then also like, I, uh,
you know, but this is difficult. I don't need to
make it any more difficult. There's people I like, people
maybe I don't like, but I don't need to walk
them around, Like what good does that do me to do?
That's but that's me, so you know, other people do
it differently.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Have you ever heard that somebody didn't like you for
a reason, any particular reason.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah. People thought I was a dick. They thought I
was like aloof because I when I first started, they
thought I was like, you know, if you're quiet and
you're actually doing well, people get in their head and
they thought, oh, he's not talking to me because he
doesn't like me, And it wasn't. I was like a mess.
I was questioning everything that I had done in the
previous five minutes. But some people took it like he's
not talking to me because he doesn't think I'm funny.
(20:41):
So I definitely had a few of those. And I
was also an angry guy, so I probably about oh Jesus,
just stuff. I don't want to get into stuff that
makes you be a comedian. The usual I have. I
have the you want to talk about hackey. I have
(21:02):
all of the hacky background you need to get into
this business. So, uh, you know, I could have had
a much simpler life.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I think a lot of us. I mean, I deal with,
you know, anxiety on a high level, you know what
I mean. I think a lot of people do. But
I think most people who have a high level of
self awareness really do because we're just aware that we're
dealing with something that we're willing to acknowledge and other
people aren't.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean, every time I think I'm getting insane,
I don't know, something else happens, and like you know,
like having kids and stuff. Really, you know, it really
holds a mirror. My daughter said the cutest thing to
me the other day. She goes, Dad, can you stop
being mad now? And I just burst it out laughing,
(21:49):
and I was like, yeah, all right, all right, that's good.
But the way I came, I would never say that
to my dad. So I do feel like I've done.
What I do like about my kids is that they're
not afraid of me at all. They took me like
a freaking bouncy house. But uh so, yeah, I've tried.
I've tried to you know, I've tried to undo some things.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, they're not afraid of you, because you're probably raising
them with love, or at least my dad he raised
me with fear.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I believe he was afraid that I would make the
same with things he made. Oh, everyone was afraid of that.
You were afraid of other people's dads when I was
growing up because they could hit you. Yeah. Yeah, And
they had big cars, and they were always mad, and
they were coming home and you just saw like, you know,
like their wife scampering back into the house, you know,
as they were pulling into the driveway. Yeah, the men
(22:35):
were scary when I was growing up. So I probably
overcorrected or whatever, but I'd rather have him coming up
this way. Yeah. My kids allowed you know, we were
not loud, like we were loud when mom was home.
When dad was home, everybody just shut the hell up.
And when he left, it was like a stack of
bricks off your chair. Wait until your dad got home.
(22:56):
Oh my god, those I mean, it was funny. Was
he actually was a big softie? Was also it turns
out that way my mother was the one that beat us, damn. Yeah, Yeah,
we deserved, you said.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Earlier, you always feel like things would be taken away
from you, like that from childhood or that cancel coach.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Like, what do you mean when you say that, No,
this is before cancel culture. Well, because you I would.
You would see guys like idiots would get a show
on the air and then immediately go buy a big
house in a car. But back in the day, they
would say you got to wait till the third season,
so you know that it's rolling, and you would watch
guys blow all their money. I watched people get deals
up at Montreal and they put it all in the
(23:37):
dot com stock market. I knew that was I stay
away from that ship. When I was at the comic
strip and comedians stopped talking about comedy and they were
talking about stocks, going like, you know it's gonna split again,
It's definitely gonna split again. I'm like, you are a dummy.
You're a dummy. I'm a dummy. We should not be
talking about this shit. So I didn't put it in,
but I saw guys lose all their money that way.
(23:58):
There was guys I used to be, you know, looking
up like, oh my god, how do you get to
that level? And then their stuff starts to go like that,
like this this business is it's not for the for
the week and you got to save your money. I
don't know. I'm trying to come with something positive here.
It's a fun job though, it's a fun job. This
(24:19):
is a callback.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
And when you saw those white comics on that level,
did you say to thyself, he sucked the dick to
get there?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Did he wear a dress to get there? Like? Where
does that? What is that? What is that theory stigma
come from? Because I'm asking you you brought that up twice?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, because that's the that's the that's the stigma, Like
you know, the stigma is for black comics, you gotta
wear a dress to get to a certain level.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
You know, you did that ship According to Kat Williams
about tweets Milton Burrow, Milton Burrow made a whole career
like be like that comes from Vadne Williams. Yeah, he
played Missus Doubtfire, Tom Hanks was on Buzz and Buddies.
I mean it was just like it was kind of
the you know, we don't have a good idea, let's
(25:00):
put a guy in a dress. That's kind of what
it was. But I understand. You know, that's just one
of those white things where I don't have to look
at it like, oh, they're doing this because they're trying
to belittle me because they don't see me as human.
I don't have to deal with all the stuff you
guys got to deal with, So, like, I don't know
if it it's how much of that's true, how much
(25:21):
of it's paranoia? I mean, I can't speak on that.
I have no idea, but like you know, I don't
you never wore dress, Yeah, and that whole sucking a
dick thing, Like it's like you just sort of nod
you never wear dress.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
He said, No, not that or that whole sucking addiction.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
It's more like you create a show, you go in,
you pitch it to these people, they somehow take control
of it. You lose to create it by credit. They
make all the money you don't. That's that's the way
it usually works. It's not it's not like you want
a TV show. Huh, all right, problem I I and
(26:02):
you better do it good because I got another forty
guy's waiting to suck. It's like that's just I think
a lot of people want it to be that way
because it just makes him feel better about their lives
or where the fuck they're at. But it's just like, yeah,
like most of Hollywood is overworked, underpaid people not getting
credit for some shit that they created, and it happens
(26:23):
to everybody. It happens at different levels, and you have
to learn how to protect yourself, and nobody teaches you.
You just go in there taking punches and then you go, oh,
you know, and that that's usually how you learn, unless
there's a comic that kind of takes you under his
under his wing or something and teaches you, like, well,
got for this. They're going to try to do that.
(26:45):
Damon Wayne's was great at that. Oh word, I've heard
that before that he was great at that. Like he
barely knew me, and he you know, and he' said
he I saw you on TV funny Man. We stand
out in front of the cellar. He goes, what do
he got going on? And he just stood there. Damon
Wade's I could believe it. He just stood there and
for like twenty minutes, He's going, uh huh, all right,
(27:05):
all right, this is what they're going to try to do,
and he just I was cooling, like, oh my god,
I know I just did this business was so ruthless,
but I never forgot that, and that was something that
I learned. It's like, all right, so if I get somewhere,
like my job is to tell the younger kids, you
know how they're going to try to come in. That's
how they fuck you. Yeah, they don't care about they
(27:26):
can get a hooker or any time they want, or
whatever the hell they want. They're trying to take your
ideas and get the money. They got all kinds of
stuff they have. Like you remember back in the day,
there was like points on a show, how many points
you had, and they literally invented points that didn't mean shit,
so you would be you got forty points. I only
got thirty. But mine means something, Yours don't mean anything.
It's the whole thing is. Yeah, like here's one for you.
(27:51):
It's way harder to prove somebody stole from you than
defamation of character. Figure that one out. So that basically
protects the thiefs. So when somebody steals from you, I
can't then go around town and say this guy stole
from me, stay away from him, blah blah. That gets
back to him. He can sue me and he can
just come up with the phony cost report, well, well
this mouse was thirty thousand dollars and this was fifteen,
and whittle down what he stole and they get away
(28:13):
with it. Pad that experience. Will it Will it ever
be fair? Will ever be no? Because human beings are
completely flawed and it's God's fault because that's how he
makes us. So you need to stop going on Sunday
praising him. You need constructive criticism, Jesus, let people freak out.
(28:33):
Will freak out when you start making fun of God.
I'm down to hear you. I'm down to hear it out,
all right, No, I just it's just an astoundingly like uh,
not even dumb. Just not have an empathy, which is
the first level of intelligence. Is if you can't take
yourself out of yourself and look at somebody else, see
(28:54):
this situation and hear it that there's there's just a
level of life living life. You're not going to get passed.
You're just not going to get past. And also they
got to stop naming stuff deliberately confusing, like white privilege.
Every white person I knew is like I didn't grow
up rich. That's how we took that shit. I don't
(29:15):
know why. I don't know who names the ship, but
like I didn't know what it meant. I was like,
what are you talking about? I grew up in a
duplex with fucking squirrels in the line, So what would
you call it? What would I call white privilege?
Speaker 7 (29:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I would, ah, well, that's a good question, uh know,
being white. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not
good at this, like coming up with band names and
shit like that. But like I didn't like, like it
meant how you like moved through the earth, through the world. Right.
So one of the things I've been kind of having
fun with in the Red States is talking about the
Klan and now there's all this stuff you can't do anymore,
(29:50):
but you can still join that group. But I go,
that's a great example of white privilege. You can still
join a terrorist organization as a white person and it's
protected under the others freedom of speech. And they start saying, well,
you know, I don'tant to do the whole bit because
I want to I want to flesh this thing out first.
But that's what they sit there, and then that's one
(30:11):
of the most fun things about doing stand up is
going to a place like that and doing some stuff
like that and getting them to hear it, and then
going to LA and kind of doing like the same thing,
because they think people in Hollywood think that you just
put a BLM sign in the window, and that means
(30:32):
you know, you're like a saint, and it's like you
haven't done anything which you basically did was appeased your
your sense of responsibility. What are you talking about, I
put a sign in the window. I'm on the right
side of history. Or my favorite one was it was
white people marching in BLM marches filming themselves or Instagram,
(30:54):
Look what a great person I am. So it's just like,
I don't know, I don't know a human being served interesting.
Is their comedy to be found in this year's election.
I mean the joke I've been doing there like this
election is like you know, when Hollywood makes a shitty movie,
you're like, man, that movie sucked, and then two years
later there's like a sequel and you're like, they're making
(31:15):
another one of these. That's how I look at this.
I think, basically, it's not worth the job's not worth
the headache. And I think that the house in the
Senate basically voting that you can't prosecute us for insider trading.
And they're all worth twenty to forty million dollars. And
you watch CNN and Fox News, you know who's supposed
to be these journalists just completely leave them alone. It's like,
(31:38):
why do I want that job? I can just sit here,
no one knows who I am other than in my state.
I can make my forty million move to another state,
no one knows who I am. You know, get a
boat and some coke and some wares, and I'm good. Right,
That's like, that's how they look at it, like CNN
Fox If I was running shit, CNN Fox News would
be shut down. They are anti American. All they do
every day their businesses divide us and and then who
(32:02):
they go after, they just go after. The reason why
comedians have been getting so much shit is because we
don't advertise on their network, so we're just soft targets. Right,
That's why I could the beginning of the pandemic. You
remember that kid who he hoarded all the hand sanitizer,
one of the greatest fucking gambles ever because they was
a SARS is coming and all of this shit this
kid said, all, I think this stuff is real, and
(32:24):
he had a whole garage full of hand sanitizer and
he was up in the price by one hundred percent
and seeing ah, they were just dragging this kid. How
could you do that? And then meanwhile, like big pharmaceutical companies,
it's like four to sixty bucks for a leukemia pill
and that's totally fine. Why is that fine? Because they're
making money off them, so they're not going to, like,
you know, bite the hand that feed. So this is
(32:44):
the shit that like you think about when you're alone
a lot on the road and it eventually makes you
go crazy. So I just I have decided what. I
just sort of like I don't pay attention to like anything.
I try not to, but then and when I do,
it's like heartbreaking. Like there's there's a uh, there's a
documentary about the Ukraine that came out one an oscar
(33:06):
and I just saw the trailers. I just was most
heartbreaking thing you've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
It's almost like ignorance is bliss, right, Like that's what
you realize unless you know happier you are.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, or like uh, I don't know. Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird and then dumb people think they know everything.
M M. Sure I had this works, let me, I
got it all figured out. Yeah, so that's why I realized, Yeah,
I don't know shit.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Does cancel culture scare you at all? It made you change,
you said.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You see a lot of comedians change the set, change
how they talk, change what they talk about.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, that was something that, like most movements, started with
something good, you know, and then was quickly co opted
by people with their own interest and then it just
completely lost its way.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And like, is a good thing because because medians were
usually the ones that well I think you.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Laugh, you know, but if there was people no, but
the initial thing that there's these people out there sex
abusing people like that was good to get rid of
those people that that wasn't bad. But then all of
a sudden it's spun into what are you talking about
in your act? You know? I worked with an actor
she got she got canceled for an analogy. Well and
it was and it was all politics. The girl on
Star Wars. It was she didn't want to get the
(34:19):
she didn't want to get the COVID shot, and then
she made some sort of Nazi Germany analogy, right, Well, no,
it'll do if it goes against the politics, if it
went across, if she was coming the other way, if
she was coming like the other way, then I don't
think it doesn't land that way, because I gotta be
honest with you, Like Hitler and Nazi analogies and comedy
(34:41):
are like are hackey, it's forever been this guy's the
next Hitler blah blah blah blah blah or something like that,
so you know, like I don't know it, so it's
it's it's I kind of like didn't really notice it
was happening that I was kind of on stage going like, oh,
(35:02):
I just said that, what if somebody just takes that clip?
And as I didn't realize I was doing that till
I did. Dave Chappelle was doing COVID shows and I
went there and nobody had a phone, and just the
freedom of that, not like I was gonna go out
and say something ignorant, but just not having to worry
about that when they were really kind of common for people,
because I think it's like died down, but it was
(35:24):
a while. It just seemed like they had to throw
a log on the fire every month and eat whether
they had somebody or not. And the wrong Nazi Germany
Hitler reference will get you in any air. Look, it's all.
It depends on your intent. It depends on your intent.
(35:46):
I did Nazi jokes when I was in Germany, and
they would die and laugh because it was just like,
what was it. I was just talking about all their accomplishments, like,
you know what's amazing about you guys, you know all
the accomplishments you made, you know, with the automobile, you know, weaponry,
(36:07):
audio tape. I just was listing all their accomplishments. I go,
and then you just pick one wrong guy and it
all goes to hell. And I just started talking about yeah,
because and then they filmed it so they can't refute it. Oh,
that was a joke I was doing. Yeah, how Germany
they actually have shame for what they did. And it's
(36:28):
not because they're better white people. It's because they're oppressed people. One.
They have to they have to acknowledge it.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
The natification though, that is that's what That's what that was. Yeah,
it was them having shame for what they did and
you know, cleaning everything up.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I find neo like neo Nazis are fascinating to me
because like they're all like to support the troops people
and they're like neo Nazis and it's like, well, you know,
the troops were fighting the Nazis. Like just how all
of that gets blurred after time?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
It's weird, not that one little piece you just said,
Neo Nazis a fast needing to be Yeah, clip that
going on Twitter?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Oh yeah, there it is. You have a field day.
I find them intriguing. How big of a deal is
it now for a comedian to have a special Yeah,
I still think it's it's a to have a good one.
If you have a whatever one, it's I don't know
what it's going to do for you. But uh, I'm
(37:23):
old school. I still like I'm like one of those
you know guys now in your business they just make
singles and stuff like that. So that's starting to become
that like have a special chopping up. That's what the
younger kids are doing. I'm still of the I'm still
making albums, So I don't know if that's stupid or whatever,
but that's that's how I do it. But I'm also
the belief that like, as long as you're doing quality
(37:44):
people are going to come and see yeah, and saying consistent.
It seems like a comedy ted talk. He's a very
in depth question.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I just want to know I'm jointed, and I was.
I was performing a FM way Paul.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Oh, that was one of those things that was so big,
Like I don't think I even mentally dealt it with
it until like two years.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
After I did it, thirty five thousand people.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Yeah, something like that. I felt like I was on
led Zeppelin. They had a police escort. We drove into
the thing, you know, as good is. I was there
for a week because I got family up there, so
I always go back in the summer. And you got
a family up there, I have family relatives. No, No,
I've looked a lot of lives. He's a waitress. Early
(38:29):
on in my career, we weren't a good place. Now, No,
I was, And I was walking around town and people say, hey, man,
you know, good luck on the show, you know, blah blah.
So I kind of felt like the city was behind me,
which was another thing to like they have to like
think about. So, yeah, I went up there, and what
I didn't realize is like they've so perfected the sound
and the screens and everything. It was just like this
giant comedy club and you always killing me. People kept
(38:51):
going like, just make sure you take it all in
when you're up there. Just make sure, you know, you
take a moment for yourself. It's like, this is comedy.
I can't do that. Well. The second I take a
moment with myself, I'm immediately bombing. So what I kept
doing was during Bigger Laughs, was just looking out Oklahoma
Plate where it said Fenway Park, and that was That's
just it was mind blowing and uh yeah. And then
(39:14):
we got to let us hang up in right field
smoking cigars and we my my family. We used to
always get tickets the blue seats up and right field,
so it was kind of up there. It was really
Uh yeah, that was something. So that was that was
a one time only because you want to do it again.
It's like, no, no, I don't think there's any point
to go back. Lotter request with tickets oh from people,
(39:38):
Uh you know, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad,
you know. It was was nerve wracking, though. Was my
high school reunion also? Was there? No, they just decided
to go to the show and that, and it's just
like that's just like a weird thing, where like when
I meet people from high school, like, you know, I
had a really cool class, so like I'm still the
person I was and and so are they. It's just
(39:59):
I'm doing this weird thing. So that was kind of
I had to block that out a little bit where
I to be like, you know, all those girls who
were afraid to talk to you go back to being like,
you know, a little billy, redheaded kid in like ninth grade.
So I had to like, Okay, I gotta block this
shit out and do my job. You just stun on
them a little bit. Nah, that my time to do that.
(40:21):
I blew it, and I just accepted. I took the
loss and I kept moving forward. I don't do I
don't go back. No, you married right, yeah, to a
black woman. If I'm not mistaken? Yeah, how does that happen?
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Saying a white guy from I watched, like, you know,
I watched different strokes growing up, and I had a
crush on Janet Jackson. How does that happen? When'd you meet?
First time I met her, I was with her dad,
who was booking The Apollo. So I was doing showtime
with the Apollo, and she was standing out back. Oh
(40:56):
she's black black, So I light skinned black people in
at the Apollo. It was my wife is gorgeous. He's gorgeous.
So that was one thing, but I didn't really I
I came and was coming up the backstairs and someone
was getting booed, and I just remember thinking like, why
(41:17):
am I doing this? I didn't need to do this.
This all started with like that Patrician shit where he
was always, you know, fucking with you. So he was like,
you have a good set, and he would just and
then he started talking about talents room, talent Will's room
around the corner, saying like, you know, there's a bunch
of comics over there that ten times funnier than all
you white guys, and da da da da da, and
you know, so it kind of felt like all right.
(41:39):
He was like, I just want a championship, and somebody saying, oh,
there's some guys across the way that could kick your ass.
They're not allowed in the league. So it's like, all right,
I gotta go play him. So I started doing those rooms,
and then that led and then I was thinking, like, well,
there's be great. I'll do the black rooms. I'll also
do the white rooms, and then I can get that draw.
That crowd that I heard on those Richer prior albums
didn't happen. But I ended up doing the Apollo and uh,
(42:03):
that's where I met her. But I met her again
on Tough Crowd. She was doing Tough Crowd with Colin
Quinn and we kind of hit it off, and I
remember I just kept asking her ound. She just kept
being a jerk, and right as I was a typical woman,
right the second I was like, you know what, the
hell with her? The hell with her? Ended up running
into her, and then all of a sudden she was
(42:23):
like really nice and we were hanging out. Oh my god,
this guy was cock blocking me so bad that night,
on such an epic level.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Don't blame him, obviously.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
No, it's because no, if it be no, why what
do you mean?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I mean, because he's so beautiful that you understand why
he would come.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
That's not why he was doing I No, you don't
have all the information. Give an informasic is this guy's
advocating cock blockers. I was like, why did you get that?
Chair advocating that shit. No, he was doing it because
he was miserable in his own relationship. So like he
saw me like and it was like, you know, it
was like fireworks, like we just like, I mean, love
(43:05):
it first night and yeah, like I've I've only met
two people that had like a vibe like her in
my life, and the first one was a dude. He
was just so that wasn't no, he was like no,
just walked in the room, you know, and you just
knew the person was coming the room. She has that vibe, right,
so uh old on, you got to clear that m
(43:27):
that will be clear. But you didn't date the guy nothing. No,
I'm just gonna make show of black people. Lego, this homophobia.
You always got to check, like what are you doing
manicured eyebrows, Like I'm gonna sit here and act like
you're all good over there, Like you don't swing a
lego with the fence every once in a while. You
(43:48):
got fucking sandals on and white socks. You look like
you just came from a steam room. Yeah No, I
just mean, like like I I always paid attention to
energy because my energy was terrible. I was like all
introverted and blah blah blah blah. So I was fascinated
with people that were just free. So that's what I meant. Okay,
(44:10):
we're gonna go back to sucking dick for a show again.
Guy's a one trick pony over here. So we go.
We go to like hang out right, No, So we're
like vibing and everything, and I literally had to say
to the dude he was like a chick. I'd be like, hey, man, sorry,
I'm not paying attention to you. That's how they fuck
he was. I was just like, you know, I'm hitting
it off with him. Man, I think this is going
all right. Right, So the end of the night comes,
(44:30):
the end of the stand up show, and he just
comes walking over. He goes, so, hey, you guys want
to go get something to eat? Right, and he invites
her and everybody. Now I'm at this fucking table and
there was like, you know, ten other people there, and
he's all the way down the end and he's still
like yelling down shit, trying to interrupt any of my
talking to her. I think, I mean so long ago.
I just remember one point that check came and I
didn't have any money, so I said, I'll put just
(44:52):
give me the cash, I'll put her on my card.
He's like, oh, he's just trying to get the miles
like that's like that's how he was doing it, right, Hey.
So everybody goes to leave, and now it's just oh no, no, no.
It was the middle of the dinner, right or whatever
the fuck we were doing the cock block dinner, right,
And I finally just look at her. I just give up,
right because he won't shut the fuck up. And I
finally just looked at her and I go, can I
(45:13):
at least split a cab with you? Home? So she
does that female thing, we why do you want to
split a cab with me? And I just said fuck
it all right. I was just thinking, I go because
I want to kiss you, right, okay? Right? So she
put her head down and smiled, and I was like,
I got her. Fuck this guy, So I let him
do all his bullshit. Everybody leaves except for him, me
(45:36):
and who's going to become my future wife? And he
literally goes. He goes, he goes, where do you live?
What do you do? You live uptown? And she goes, yeah,
I live a tongue. Oh I love it too. He goes,
you want to split a cab. He's trying to leave
with her, and she goes, no, I'm taking a ride home.
I'm riding home with Bill. He's going like, oh no,
but I live blah. He was so in his ship,
he was so in his shit, like he didn't she said,
(45:57):
I'm not going to say his name. She went so,
and so I'm splitting a cab with Bill and I
didn't have to. I didn't have to say ship. I
just stood there. And then he he left, and it
was funny. I don't talk to him for four days
and he calls me up. He's like, hey, what's going on?
Like nothing, what's up? He's like, uh so, like what
(46:18):
you're not gonna You didn't call me because you thought
it was cock blocking you there other night And I'm
like you were He goes, no, I wasn't. I'm like,
why did you bring it up? That was the end
of that friendship. And you know, I just don't have time.
I don't have time for that, you know what I mean.
And plus it was also kind of teetering anyways. You
know it was obvious too.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
It's like, yeah, your you're a woman failed to w
NBA joke is one of the greatest social commentaries.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Though, Yeah, thank you. I mean, I'm just I'm saying, yes,
I appreciate that. How did you get how did you
get to that? I was watching ESPN and they were blaming.
They were talking about like female sports not getting money
and stuff like that and all of that, and like
he's just being in entertainment. It's like you have to
(47:06):
put asses in the seats and that's what brings the
money in. So there was a point where, you know,
professional football wasn't doing as well as college football, and
these guys just kept working in and working it till
it became like what it was. And you know, there's
more women than there are men, So like, this is
not on us that women's sports at the very least
(47:28):
aren't being supported. So they're not being supported because you
guys aren't showing up. So that was the seed of
the bit. And I always forget my material.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
I forget how you pointed to what actually is successful
that women's support.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah reality TV, Yeah, which is
a bunch of women yelling at each other, yeah and fighting, yeah.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
Yeah, growing juice and drinks and water.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah, my wife likes those shows.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
Have you seen the Texas the former Texans Funny that
place where it steel is now Cameron Johnson and they
when the headlines says steal a sign Bill Burr look alike.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Oh yeah, I've seen that. That's scary. Yeah, yeah, I
concur that guy does definitely look like me. It would
have been cool if he was a quarterback. But that
shows how how popular you are. Oh yeah, I guess so.
I don't think any of that ship really Yeah. No,
that's the end of you, and that's the end of you.
(48:26):
You start walking around these I don't know. I actually
I kind of appreciate people that feel that way about themselves.
Then also, I don't understand it, but I mean when
you're standing there those people say that with their shirt
blowing in front of a fan, in front of their
own audience, that shit is hilarious to me. I don't
think you can go that far. But when you think
about your home, you got the sandals on, I could
see you're doing that, blowing your hoodie around. I'm just
(48:49):
gonna do it to you before you do it to me.
How many times you wash that sweatshirt, by the way
that it looks like a white guys sweatshirt, threw it
in with the towels and okay, oh it's tied that.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
Yeah, but when you think about your humble beginning, then
you think about Finway Park.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
You got to take that in a little bit. Like
I came a long way, at least I did. I did,
But like I get, I'm too afraid to That's basically
what it is. I'm too afraid to look at what
I'm doing in situations like that because I need to perform.
So if I get all into the you know, start
thinking of the magnitude of something. I just literally saw
(49:28):
Kevin Hart's picture on the door man. It's one of
my favorite people in the business.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Kevin bought he used to buy his chairs. So that's
why we have him sitting in that chair because he
bought for the old three. He bought all the chairs.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
It's one of my favorite people. All I do, our
whole relationship is just giving each other ship. I don't
think I had actual conversation anyway. Yeah I don't. I
don't think of stuff like that. So I I I minimize, minimize, minimized, minimize.
(49:57):
So because I had horrible anxiety when I started out, Yeah,
so I had to figure out how to get The
only way I could figure out how to get it
past it was to look at the stuff that I
was doing and act like it wasn't a big deal,
just a job. They come in here, they get sitters
and pay you know, money to come here. I come here,
(50:19):
I make them laugh, they leave, hopefully they come back,
and I just sort of reduce it to that, and
then I don't know. Then I come on a show
like this and you start bringing stuff up, and that's
when I think, that's when I first start thinking about it. Look,
I'm getting uncomfortable now, look at the ready to go right,
just thinking talking about that ship. That all comes back
also comes back to like just like, uh, I don't
(50:44):
know this weird, like low self esteem and then also
like not accepting compliments. I haven't figured that part of
me out past syndrome. Oh my god, first time. Yeah.
I always like that's the thought that every time I
get off stage, My thought is did I make him
laugh enough that they're gonna come back? And I club
(51:06):
Soda Kenny, I like, he like reassures me. I clubs
club Soda Kenny is my club sort of Candy Kenny
Kenny Kenny you know, I'm suspicious crazy. I'm just doing
it back to you. Uh club soda Kenny legendary, uh
(51:28):
former police officer, tour manager and uh security guy. This
he's like, I made it. I made a short film
with him. I gotta I gotta put it up on
your your website. So he's the guy when I get offstage.
He's you know, works with Dice, He's worked with everybody,
and uh so he knows. And he's also you know,
he's a cop jersey guy. You know, he talks like Deuce,
(51:50):
like straight shooter. He's not going to be like, no,
I was a good one, always good to blah blah blah.
And then you know, I get the pat on the back.
I know I I had a good one. So yeah,
that that is my thought. I don't walk off stage,
you know, oh god, I'm not going to use that reference.
Tot'll start some shit. I don't walk off stage thinking
I'm the ship. I walk off stage thinking I hope
(52:12):
that was good enough that they come back.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
So that was crazy because I'm literally still starstruck. Just
remember when I just walked past the room and I
was like, oh shit, Bilbert's Bilberg, how are you doing
and he was just looking like it was like not
at all, like, oh, yeah, you know, I am that guy.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
It was just real cool.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
And the first time you made me laugh was Racial Drafts.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
The Dave Chappelle that you did.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
When it came out, but I watched it because I
was a big fan of Chappelle show.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
And then every spot. That was one of the coolest things,
the first really cool thing that I ever got on
where it was like I got this experience like Beatlemania,
and I only did like most of us is probably
like who the hell were you that? First of all,
I had hair and I only did like, you know,
four Yeah. So I remember, uh, I was at this
(53:09):
thing Bonnaroo. You guys ever heard of? Oh you have? All? Right? Okay?
So Bonnaroo is like this sort of uh you know,
this this music festival in Nashville. It was one of
the early years of It was a lot of jam bands.
It was some really like earthy, smelly white people, sort
of out in the field type of thing. Not not
a city kid vibe. So it was pretty white, not
(53:33):
country white, but damn close. And the lights went down
and I was seeing like this this band, what the
hell are they called practice? Like brain was on drums
burning well sort of this offshoot band and the lights
went down. It was like ten thousand people in this
tent and the lights went down and they were waiting
for the band, and I just heard this, dude, just
go what and then somebody else on the other side.
Speaker 7 (53:55):
Yell yeah, and then somebody else yelled Okay, dude, I
like goosebumps, And it was like it was like right
when it was I think it was right after.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Rick James sketch had already like blown up, and I
saw like how big this show was on. I could
I couldn't believe it. And there was like comedians were
telling me, going, dude, that show you're on is fucking
blowing up. I just did a college gig and like say,
it came on at like ten o'clock or something like
that on Comedy Central, and this show was at nine
(54:29):
point thirty, like they would be doing a show trying
to do an hour at ten o'clock, like five or ten.
Half the crowd would just get up and leave, and
he'd be like, you know, thinking, what did I say, Well, well,
we're gonna go watch the Chappelle Show. I don't know
if anything gets that big again with not all of
those media, but it was like and everybody brings up,
you know, the Rick James one and all of that.
(54:52):
I will tell you this, the lawn Order sketch that
I was in the first cut of that, and I
think Comedy Central thought was too dark. Oh my god.
It was like it was like a fucking Oscar winning
movie because it was hilarious. And then it was like
when the White Dude was in prison in the end,
the way they did it and they cut to Dave
(55:14):
laughing on the golf course, it wasn't funny. It was like,
this is what you fuckers do to us. It was
it was like wow, something Commy sents like, oh you know,
we uh, I think there's a different ending. Bring it
a little bit. There was a that was another thing too.
I remember they used to edit it right up the
street from where I was living, and I remember Neil
(55:35):
Brennan going, you gotta, you gotta come see this ship.
And I got to see them the Rick James s
ketch before anybody else, and I remember laughing my ass off,
and they just became a point I stopped laughing and
I was just like this is like, I've never seen
anything like this in my life. Yes, that was probably
the first kind of still like the one of the
(55:59):
coolest things. I got to be on him at Charlie
Murphy Rest his soul. He's up into We got him
up there in the corner. Oh yeah, oh man, the
stories that went with that guy. Yeah, he had, Oh
my god, his stories. He had endless. He told this
story one time and it was all stuff from the eighties.
(56:21):
It would be so like, yo, yo, how was at
this party? Was me, Sugar Ray Leonard and Punky Brewster? Right,
like what party is this? It was just all these
like eighties icons Right then he was talking about sugar
Ey Leonard being drunk, talking about how he how quickly
he could throw punches at your ribs and not hit you,
and and he said that these white guys were letting
(56:44):
him do it. He was drunk and he kept hitting
him and they would like fold in half, and he
was crying, laughing, telling her I was going, why the
fuck would they do? I don't know. That's the nicer
one I can tell.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
So that the funny thing about your pail when you
look at chapel and now you you rewatch it. You'll
see you, You'll see Joe Rogan, you'll see Neil Brandy,
you'll see all of these people who have gone on
to be you know, icons of the known.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
Right now. Yeah, Dave gave me one of the u
one of the greatest pep talks I ever got, I
ever got. Like it's funny because I'm older than Dave,
but Dave started so young. I always look at him
like an older brother, right, And uh, I was doing
some shit at the cellar, you know, and I got
off stage and he was sitting on the stairs. Fortunately
I didn't know he was there. I would at that
(57:29):
point in my career would have been like intimidated somebody
that big watching me. And I remember him telling me,
he's like, man, your point of view was so dope, man,
and he goes, it's gonna but it's gonna take you
a lot longer to get there, but when you do,
you're gonna hit hard. And I, dude, I fucking held
on to that for like seven years on the road
going Dave think some funny, Dave thinks some funny.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, he was right, that's right. Yeah, all right, Bill
fucking bird Man, all right, joining.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
Us, all right, thank you for having you. Guys were nice.
Everybody got me all nerves like you guys, let's not go? Why,
let's not go? Why? You know why? You know why?
Speaker 2 (58:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
Yes, I gonna be honest with you. I listened. I
listened to one clip and I shut it off after
eight seconds. You what clip was it? Somebody said something like, well,
you know sometimes, uh, sometimes whatever the hell he was
talking about, and I just hear you go, why would
you do that? Like? Oh, ship? Is it gonna be this?
Speaker 5 (58:24):
Larry King always says the best question to ask is why.
Because people say that, and I really do be curious.
I'm like, well why why is always the best question.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
That's a better Yeah, it's a better why Your why wasn't?
That wasn't the read. It was like the subtext was
why the funk would you do that? No, it isn't.
But I had a good time. It's my insecurity. I
hope you had me back you to know that there's
a lot of people I know that that hold you
(58:53):
in very, very high.
Speaker 5 (58:55):
The young comedians, older comedians like Pete Davison always talked
about you all the time.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Ricky Gervai, Yeah, Pete, I remember Pete was another guy.
He had that vibe. He was just memorable. I met him.
He was like like like twelve thirteen years old, already
as tall as me, and I remember years later he
started doing Stalley. Four years later, he goes, I don't
know if you remember. I just I remember I said,
Atlantic City. You were standing there with your mom, So
all right, how many times we're gonna wrap this up?
(59:19):
I think it's that's all right? Thank you so much.
I really appreciate what is Bill? All right? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (59:24):
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(01:11):
the fucking legend man Bill Burr.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I'm all right, yeah, right yeah. When you hear the
word legend, do you just feel old? Do you feel
like I'm accomplished? Ah? I don't know what I feel.
I never feel like I you know this, you know
this businesses you feel like you know any moment, like
whatever you got is going to go away. So I
just I don't pay attention to that stuff. I obviously
like it. No, legend doesn't make me feel old. It
(01:39):
makes me feel good. But when somebody's like, ah, man,
I grew up on your comedy. I started listening to
you when I was eight, I'm like going, oh my god,
you're seeing they're like, you know, divorced. You're like, oh god,
how old are myself? Yeah? I would say that's the
type of stuff makes me feel old.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I want to I want to go back a little bit.
If you don't mine, I want to know. You know
what got Bill Burr into comedy.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
For at a childhood? Somebody happy he gets into this
stuff used to then the delusions of fame get into
your head and then you somehow get into it. Uh No,
I mean I definitely liked it when I was growing up,
but I got into it by chance where you know,
(02:20):
I'm old man. So like I was watching it in
the seventies and eighties, but like show business was like
it was a million miles away. It was impossible. It
was not something that you could do, like, you know,
just take out a camera and start filming yourself. So
I grew up Massachusetts suburbs, so I thought, like, you know,
(02:41):
you had to be in Hollywood to get into it.
Like I had no idea. There was this huge stand
up scene in in uh Massachusetts. So I was working
in a warehouse and I was working with this guy
and he was into stand up the way I was.
And he was funny as hell. And one night we
were we used to uh used to go over his
house have a couple of beers before we went out,
you know, save some money, and he was we were
watching stand up, but he was going, Bill, what funny
(03:02):
than these guys like and you know, he goes one
one night, I'm gonna take a shot at Jack Daniels
and go up on stage. And that's when it stopped
being on TV and it was next to me, and
I started thinking like, oh, wait a minute, if he
can try it, I can try it. And still took
me another five years to figure it out. I started,
I started kind of late. Did you ever feel like
you had to wear a dress a fuck a cock?
(03:23):
You know in Hollywood?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, And that whole theory is ridiculous, But that's what's
going on out there, that there's more pedophiles in Hollywood
than there aren't plumbing. It's like, it's it's a problem,
why plumbing, I don't know, just like regular jobs, directing,
like directing, like every pedophile in jail like created, you know,
(03:48):
freaking you know. It's like no, it's like they're like,
that's what's going on. What's funny is what's going on
in Hollywood is going on in most businesses, where it's
like there's a lot of people working over time, not
getting paid, not getting credit and getting pushed down and
people at the top taking more and more. But the
problem with Hollywood is is those idiots stay in Hollywood
(04:12):
and they look at most of the country like flyover states,
and then they go on these stupid you know, awards shows,
and they talk down to them, and then that makes
them hate them, and then they love to see somebody
going down. The whole thing is it's like traveling is depressing, yeah,
because what you find is everybody really is the same,
like all of this stuff, like, you know, all these
(04:33):
people are evildoers and they're this and that, and you
go over there and it's just everybody's the same. You know,
everybody you know wants to have money, to have a sandwich,
you want to find love, you want to be feel safe.
That's everybody is like that. But then they just they
just you know, the sociopaths get the dumb people wound up.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I feel like New York and La have no idea
what the rest of the country is actually, Like if
you grew up in New York and you grew up
in LA, you don't know what the real bubbles like.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
New Yorkers are some of the worst traveled people you
ever gonna meet. They're hilarious everywhere they go. They would
go to Guam and be like, oh, I go to Guam.
I try to get a bacon, egg and cheese, and
the ladies looking at me like, what are you talking about?
This place sucks. Where are the skyscrapers? Like that's what
cracks you about New York is Like what It's like
(05:21):
the point of traveling is to get something different. Like
they go to La and they try to get a bacon,
egg and cheese. It's like, get a taco? What are
you doing when in Rome? Right? Yeah, I wouldn't come
here and try to get a burrito. I've seen Mexican
foods here. I just start laughing. It's like, no, I'm
not doing that's closest music.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Got a taco bell, That's that's usually what.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I love that you said that because Mexicans all think
that white people think taco bell is authentic Mexican food.
It's like, we're not that. That is crazy. Yeah, I
know Olive Garden is not a town. I understand that
they have hoarded out.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
What did Bilberg want to be before he became a comedian?
You just always wanted to do comedy.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I was just failing at everything. I did horrible in school.
I did good in school until it mattered. I was weird.
I did really good right up till eighth grade, and
then once college started paying attention. I don't know. I
just that's you know, I'm not going to get into it.
But that's when I'll like the ass hit the fan
with a lot of stuff. So then, yeah, I don't
(06:21):
know what. I tried construction. I wasn't good at that landscaping.
I worked in warehouses. I knew I didn't want a boss,
and I also knew that I didn't want to go
into the same building for more than a year because
a few times I had jobs for over a year
and there was just something so depressing because you were
working for somebody else's dream and it was like a
year earlier, I was standing right here. I have not
(06:43):
moved anywhere. I'm another year older. So yeah, and you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm depressed now. I was been here for fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
If I wasn't sitting in a throne, I was unloading
trust this guy's drinking from a chalice, Like I feel
good about this, I scented candle. No, I wasn't like
unloading trucks and getting hammered and driving drunk stuff you
did in the eighties. I mean that was basically what
(07:12):
it was. So and I was going part time to
college because idn't have money to go to college, so
I was paying my own way through it, and I
had already stayed back in first grade, so I just
felt like hopelessly behind until I started hanging out, you know,
with people that were into comedy, and then somehow I
found it and uh yeah, then I remember doing that,
and then that was just like, all right, this is
(07:33):
what this is what I'm supposed to do, because everything
else I was doing I just never felt I always
never felt like this is not it. I don't feel
like these people aren't the same kind of weird than
I am. You know, why do you think you're weird? Though?
I mean, like I think we're all like messed up
a little bit. Why don't think I'm weird? I don't
know if I if I knew why I was weird,
(07:53):
I wouldn't be weird.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I think I think you got a lot of common sense.
I'm like, this guy is just he's just since human being.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Well, I've learned from a lot of failures. Your own
are others, oh, my own okay, oh and also others.
Well that you know, I had a great education when
I got in to stand up the Big eighties. I
don't know how old you guys are, but the Big
eighty Okay, So the big eighties boom where stand up
comedy clubs exploded and all that, and then it just
(08:23):
got to the point you could just put like a
microphone anywhere and people would show up for comedy. So
the quality of it went down, and everybody was doing
a lot of people were doing blow, getting paid in
cash in and blow and all of that type of stuff.
And then it all came crashing down, and then the
irs showed up and everything, and then I then I started,
like I walked in like you know, the end of
(08:44):
the party. Balloons were on the ground, confetti, everybody passed out,
and I saw these headliners that were getting their wages
garnished and they had to talk to the irs to
go do some you know, funny Bone in another state
and everything. So my generation kind of learned like, all right, man,
you can party this away in about seven eight crucial years,
(09:05):
So you know, I learned from that. And then, uh,
you know, any young comics watching this year. Twenties and
thirties are difficult because you're struggling. And then also you
do that comparison thing like well you started the same
time I did, and you're here and I'm here, So
I must be doing something wrong, and then I start
hating you for some stupid reason, and then like that
takes up a lot of energy, and then one day
(09:26):
you just basically figured out like, all right, I'm making
the decisions here. I you know, I'm doing well and
not doing well by what I'm thinking rather than this
this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Did you ever want to quit once?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
No, one time I thought I wasn't gonna make it. It
was the only time I ever thought it. When was
this you bomb? No, No, I happen all the time.
That's just part of this stuff. I was doing the
I'm not gonna say where it was because it's a
sad story. We're gonna bump you out.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I was doing this this this this club that
I've just been going to for years and years and
years and years and years. Every other year I would
go there New Hour, going to get them, you know,
you know, I'm in with the Warning Radio guys. And
the same thirty people were showing up. So it was
after the late show and I was sitting there, you know,
wreaking a smoke because you could smoke. All three shows
(10:15):
smelt like I thought a fire. My eyes were all
burning and I was just looking at the wait staff
and they were life as they had been there before,
and they were older, a little bit heavier, and they
were counting up that money and they were smoking their cigarettes,
and the same amount of people had showed up. And
that was the first time I like this thought went
in my head, like of like, wait a minute, am
(10:36):
I the guy who doesn't make it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
My god?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
The panic of that. I went back to the comedy
condo and I was just laying in bed trying to
turn it around, and my brain was just no, oh,
you're the guy is not going to make it. So
that was Yeah. Then I got back to New York
and it was better, you know. I came you know,
after the gig, I came back and then just like
the energy, I had a couple of good sets, you know.
(11:03):
Sunday night at the Boston Comedy Club was a huge
was a huge turning point for me in my career,
probably how I ended up here right now, and that
that would that would get me to think positive.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And you said you never bombed, right, And I'm all
the time you have, but I.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Don't think you bombed, Bill.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I think that people don't know if they should laugh
at what you're saying, you.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Know what I mean? Maybe now, but no, no, I
remember bombing so bad one time. This was comedy club
called Mixed Nuts that's now called the Comedy Union. That
was the black club, right. So I went down there,
and uh, it's funny. I started doing those rooms because
I used to listen to Richard Pryor so like his
albums were so live that you could like picture the crowd.
(11:47):
So I had this idea of what a crowd looked like.
It was weird. I'm white as hell on that like
that was my idea of what a crowd was. So I,
you know, ended up doing those rooms along with the
white rooms. Right. So I was on stage bombing so bad,
like like this right here, silence, and I just remember
hearing this woman's voice in the back. She just goes,
I ain't laughed yet about ten minutes, and then that
(12:12):
was the biggest laugh of the said. Everybody laughed, and
then they just started talking amongst themselves. And I did
not say I did know how to turn it around.
It was and there's something It's bad enough bombing in
front of your own people, but bombing in front of
another race of people knowing that you're taking down a
bunch of other white comics with you, like, because everybody
(12:34):
it's just like I don't like corny as mother. You
know it's not just me. Yeah, there are others out there.
They're funny. Yeah it was bad. You liked Richard pryor
what's your favorite m Maybe it was it something I said,
the one. I can't say half of them. You're gonna
(12:55):
get me in trouble half time. That was the set.
I'm lucking, I got a good night's sleep. I like
that Edwork's crazy. I will say I bought I bought
his albums because he just looked funny. That was the
first one I bought that Edward was crazy when when
he was pointing like that just he just looked funny.
(13:16):
And that's how I bought the first Eddie Murphy. Up.
I bought the first Eddie Murphy album because I was like, well,
he's also black, he must be funny. And that was
the first one we had the rose in his ear.
See how that works?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
So you did represent for all white comics because you
see one funny black comedy think yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
That's how it was. No, that's how it works. And
so It's almost like I found a genre of music,
so I would listen to it. I listened to all
of his stuff, and I just, uh, there was something
about the way he did it, which I didn't understand
it as a kid, but the way he did the
way he trashed white people, he got you to listen
to him and laugh at yourself. Where I think when
(13:51):
by the time def jam came around, crack eighties and
all of that, like where black comedy was, it was
like all right, enough for this like sort of pussy
footing around, you know, So then it was more like
that was like a different thing. But like what I
loved about Richard was like you like rooted for him,
You felt like you knew him. It was really insane.
(14:12):
I like, and I think he's the greatest of all time,
and I think it's even.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Close during that time, during that era when it seems
like that crack time where deaf comedy jam and the
comedy shows, was it hard for you to book in
those black rooms? Was it was like here comes the
white comedian again.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
No, that was the irony. It was hard for them
and you you, yeah, you had to like vouch for
him and everything, and the club owners right in front
of Yeah, you don't do that deaf jam stuff, do
you? You're not like MF and m FIN talking about you know,
I don't know what I can say on the show.
Yeah you're not, you're not, you're not. Oh wait, you
(14:46):
said sucking dick earlier the second I yeah. So they
would literally say that, and that was embarrassing when you'd
be standing there going like so, but what they're they
you'd come on, They didn't is they would just say,
I go up, do you think? And they I felt
(15:06):
like guys, Like all of those guys I worked for Talent,
Drew Fraser, Rob Stapleton, Kelly Capone, all the New York kings.
I used to do all of those rooms and uh,
oh god, those are all the memories of that one.
I remember Gerald Kelly had a room. Oh god, it
(15:27):
was a brutal room. It was somewhere in like Newark
and like the two thousands, and I remember that. I
remember this comedian was it ros g or something, Yeah,
rest her soul. She was on stage. She's super loud,
and she was super loud, and they weren't laughing at anything,
and she ended a safe She's like god, damn She's like,
(15:48):
I don't know who's coming up next, but he better
be funny because you motherfuckers ain't laughing. It's shit. And
then she brought me up and Gentleman Bilburgh didn't gonna
laugh at least. No, you know, it's weird. I went up,
had an okay set and I felt like I bombed
at anything, and randomly Chris Weber was there and he
came up, but he told me I was funny, and
(16:10):
it was little things like that. I'm like, well, this
guy's famous, this guy's successful. He thinks I'm funny, so
I think I'll be all right.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Do you change your thit when you're doing black rooms
versus white rooms?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I try not to. Early on I did. I'd be
on stage all of a sudden, I hear myself tagging
all my jokes with you know what I'm saying, and
I'd be like, why am I doing that? Why am
I doing that? Stop? Stop doing that?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
But you just would, and.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Then it was an easy way. It's an easy way
to get through those rooms. You can just be like,
I'm the white guy and I'm scared, and that's sort
of how you do it initially, just to get your
feet wet in those rooms. And then basically then it
becomes like, now can I actually go up here and
talk about what I want to talk about? Wear a
Bruin's T shirt, you know, hockey T shirt. And I
started experimenting with that, and I remember Patrice giving me
(17:00):
rest Is Soul Trey so new. Yeah, going like Bill's
trying to do his white shit in these black rooms.
Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it all dependent on the crowd.
It all dependent on the crowd. But I felt like
it's a weird thing where I feel like it's harder
to be a black comic in a black room than
it is to be a black comic in a white room,
and vice versa, because you can just play fish out
(17:22):
of water, like, oh wow, this is all different, gee, Louise,
you know, I'm all nervous up here and just literally
play into the stereotype. That's the easy laugh one hundred percent.
But not early on I forgive any of it, because
you're just trying to survive, because it's like, you know,
that's like not something like white people don't experience being
the only you a lot. You know, we just sort
(17:45):
of walk in ouh more white shit, you know, and
you just live that. So the first experience, and that's
was funny. When I first started doing those rooms, I
didn't see black people as individuals. I just saw black people.
And as I kept doing them and doing them, I
started to see individuals. Oh, this guy's like my buddy Mitch.
This guy's like you know, And I started to see, Oh,
(18:05):
this guy's a good guy. This guy's a piece of shit,
and this guy steals jokes, this guy's you know, and
it's like, oh, this is just like white people.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I was going to ask, you know, back in the day,
what you name some of those comedians from Talent to Compone,
It seems like comedy.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Had a brotherhood, like you'll f with each other.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Now it doesn't seem like that, especially with Kat William
throwing missiles at everybody. Was it a brotherhood back then
or was it always competition in missis now?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It always was? It just you couldn't you couldn't air
your grievances on social media and that type of stuff.
Like no, there still is, like there still is like
a comrade, especially the people that you like you start
out with when you go up and you're doing like
open mics and stuff, it's just one impossible situation after another,
and you just get thrown into these things and you
(18:53):
sort of bond with each other through just you know,
I mean I did gigs, like we don't have a microphone.
Is that going to be a problem. We're just gonna
have you stand here in this hall. Oh my god. No,
it was just like some of the stuff, some of
the places, and then you would just what kept you
going was your friend in the crowd laughing at you,
(19:14):
watching you trying to figure this situation out. So there's
definitely that. But you know, people focus on the negative
or whatever. So I mean, generally speaking, we get along.
It's nowhere difference than other other stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Now, when you see the black comedians going back and
forth with each other, what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Do you do you even look at it as the
black communia? You just look at his comedians, no comedians,
because white comedians are doing it too. Really, Yeah, what's what?
What's your colubsation? Oh uh, you know, I don't know
because I'm old, but like there's definitely you know, I'm
an old school guy where I look at all that
stuff like that's locker room stuff. And if you have
a problem with somebody, you should go to them and
(19:55):
say it. That's how I came up. And then also like, I, uh,
you know, but this is difficult. I don't need to
make it any more difficult. There's people I like, people
maybe I don't like, but I don't need to walk
them around, Like what good does that do me to do?
That's but that's me, so you know, other people do
it differently.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Have you ever heard that somebody didn't like you for
a reason, any particular reason.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah. People thought I was a dick. They thought I
was like aloof because I when I first started, they
thought I was like, you know, if you're quiet and
you're actually doing well, people get in their head and
they thought, oh, he's not talking to me because he
doesn't like me, And it wasn't. I was like a mess.
I was questioning everything that I had done in the
previous five minutes. But some people took it like he's
not talking to me because he doesn't think I'm funny.
(20:41):
So I definitely had a few of those. And I
was also an angry guy, so I probably about oh Jesus,
just stuff. I don't want to get into stuff that
makes you be a comedian. The usual I have. I
have the you want to talk about hackey. I have
(21:02):
all of the hacky background you need to get into
this business. So, uh, you know, I could have had
a much simpler life.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I think a lot of us. I mean, I deal with,
you know, anxiety on a high level, you know what
I mean. I think a lot of people do. But
I think most people who have a high level of
self awareness really do because we're just aware that we're
dealing with something that we're willing to acknowledge and other
people aren't.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean, every time I think I'm getting insane,
I don't know, something else happens, and like you know,
like having kids and stuff. Really, you know, it really
holds a mirror. My daughter said the cutest thing to
me the other day. She goes, Dad, can you stop
being mad now? And I just burst it out laughing,
(21:49):
and I was like, yeah, all right, all right, that's good.
But the way I came, I would never say that
to my dad. So I do feel like I've done.
What I do like about my kids is that they're
not afraid of me at all. They took me like
a freaking bouncy house. But uh so, yeah, I've tried.
I've tried to you know, I've tried to undo some things.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, they're not afraid of you, because you're probably raising
them with love, or at least my dad he raised
me with fear.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I believe he was afraid that I would make the
same with things he made. Oh, everyone was afraid of that.
You were afraid of other people's dads when I was
growing up because they could hit you. Yeah. Yeah, And
they had big cars, and they were always mad, and
they were coming home and you just saw like, you know,
like their wife scampering back into the house, you know,
as they were pulling into the driveway. Yeah, the men
(22:35):
were scary when I was growing up. So I probably
overcorrected or whatever, but I'd rather have him coming up
this way. Yeah. My kids allowed you know, we were
not loud, like we were loud when mom was home.
When dad was home, everybody just shut the hell up.
And when he left, it was like a stack of
bricks off your chair. Wait until your dad got home.
(22:56):
Oh my god, those I mean, it was funny. Was
he actually was a big softie? Was also it turns
out that way my mother was the one that beat us, damn. Yeah, Yeah,
we deserved, you said.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Earlier, you always feel like things would be taken away
from you, like that from childhood or that cancel coach.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Like, what do you mean when you say that, No,
this is before cancel culture. Well, because you I would.
You would see guys like idiots would get a show
on the air and then immediately go buy a big
house in a car. But back in the day, they
would say you got to wait till the third season,
so you know that it's rolling, and you would watch
guys blow all their money. I watched people get deals
up at Montreal and they put it all in the
(23:37):
dot com stock market. I knew that was I stay
away from that ship. When I was at the comic
strip and comedians stopped talking about comedy and they were
talking about stocks, going like, you know it's gonna split again,
It's definitely gonna split again. I'm like, you are a dummy.
You're a dummy. I'm a dummy. We should not be
talking about this shit. So I didn't put it in,
but I saw guys lose all their money that way.
(23:58):
There was guys I used to be, you know, looking
up like, oh my god, how do you get to
that level? And then their stuff starts to go like that,
like this this business is it's not for the for
the week and you got to save your money. I
don't know. I'm trying to come with something positive here.
It's a fun job though, it's a fun job. This
(24:19):
is a callback.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
And when you saw those white comics on that level,
did you say to thyself, he sucked the dick to
get there?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Did he wear a dress to get there? Like? Where
does that? What is that? What is that theory stigma
come from? Because I'm asking you you brought that up twice?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, because that's the that's the that's the stigma, Like
you know, the stigma is for black comics, you gotta
wear a dress to get to a certain level.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
You know, you did that ship According to Kat Williams
about tweets Milton Burrow, Milton Burrow made a whole career
like be like that comes from Vadne Williams. Yeah, he
played Missus Doubtfire, Tom Hanks was on Buzz and Buddies.
I mean it was just like it was kind of
the you know, we don't have a good idea, let's
(25:00):
put a guy in a dress. That's kind of what
it was. But I understand. You know, that's just one
of those white things where I don't have to look
at it like, oh, they're doing this because they're trying
to belittle me because they don't see me as human.
I don't have to deal with all the stuff you
guys got to deal with, So, like, I don't know
if it it's how much of that's true, how much
(25:21):
of it's paranoia? I mean, I can't speak on that.
I have no idea, but like you know, I don't
you never wore dress, Yeah, and that whole sucking a
dick thing, Like it's like you just sort of nod
you never wear dress.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
He said, No, not that or that whole sucking addiction.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
It's more like you create a show, you go in,
you pitch it to these people, they somehow take control
of it. You lose to create it by credit. They
make all the money you don't. That's that's the way
it usually works. It's not it's not like you want
a TV show. Huh, all right, problem I I and
(26:02):
you better do it good because I got another forty
guy's waiting to suck. It's like that's just I think
a lot of people want it to be that way
because it just makes him feel better about their lives
or where the fuck they're at. But it's just like, yeah,
like most of Hollywood is overworked, underpaid people not getting
credit for some shit that they created, and it happens
(26:23):
to everybody. It happens at different levels, and you have
to learn how to protect yourself, and nobody teaches you.
You just go in there taking punches and then you go, oh,
you know, and that that's usually how you learn, unless
there's a comic that kind of takes you under his
under his wing or something and teaches you, like, well,
got for this. They're going to try to do that.
(26:45):
Damon Wayne's was great at that. Oh word, I've heard
that before that he was great at that. Like he
barely knew me, and he you know, and he' said
he I saw you on TV funny Man. We stand
out in front of the cellar. He goes, what do
he got going on? And he just stood there. Damon
Wade's I could believe it. He just stood there and
for like twenty minutes, He's going, uh huh, all right,
(27:05):
all right, this is what they're going to try to do,
and he just I was cooling, like, oh my god,
I know I just did this business was so ruthless,
but I never forgot that, and that was something that
I learned. It's like, all right, so if I get somewhere,
like my job is to tell the younger kids, you
know how they're going to try to come in. That's
how they fuck you. Yeah, they don't care about they
(27:26):
can get a hooker or any time they want, or
whatever the hell they want. They're trying to take your
ideas and get the money. They got all kinds of
stuff they have. Like you remember back in the day,
there was like points on a show, how many points
you had, and they literally invented points that didn't mean shit,
so you would be you got forty points. I only
got thirty. But mine means something, Yours don't mean anything.
It's the whole thing is. Yeah, like here's one for you.
(27:51):
It's way harder to prove somebody stole from you than
defamation of character. Figure that one out. So that basically
protects the thiefs. So when somebody steals from you, I
can't then go around town and say this guy stole
from me, stay away from him, blah blah. That gets
back to him. He can sue me and he can
just come up with the phony cost report, well, well
this mouse was thirty thousand dollars and this was fifteen,
and whittle down what he stole and they get away
(28:13):
with it. Pad that experience. Will it Will it ever
be fair? Will ever be no? Because human beings are
completely flawed and it's God's fault because that's how he
makes us. So you need to stop going on Sunday
praising him. You need constructive criticism, Jesus, let people freak out.
(28:33):
Will freak out when you start making fun of God.
I'm down to hear you. I'm down to hear it out,
all right, No, I just it's just an astoundingly like uh,
not even dumb. Just not have an empathy, which is
the first level of intelligence. Is if you can't take
yourself out of yourself and look at somebody else, see
(28:54):
this situation and hear it that there's there's just a
level of life living life. You're not going to get passed.
You're just not going to get past. And also they
got to stop naming stuff deliberately confusing, like white privilege.
Every white person I knew is like I didn't grow
up rich. That's how we took that shit. I don't
(29:15):
know why. I don't know who names the ship, but
like I didn't know what it meant. I was like,
what are you talking about? I grew up in a
duplex with fucking squirrels in the line, So what would
you call it? What would I call white privilege?
Speaker 7 (29:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I would, ah, well, that's a good question, uh know,
being white. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not
good at this, like coming up with band names and
shit like that. But like I didn't like, like it
meant how you like moved through the earth, through the world. Right.
So one of the things I've been kind of having
fun with in the Red States is talking about the
Klan and now there's all this stuff you can't do anymore,
(29:50):
but you can still join that group. But I go,
that's a great example of white privilege. You can still
join a terrorist organization as a white person and it's
protected under the others freedom of speech. And they start saying, well,
you know, I don'tant to do the whole bit because
I want to I want to flesh this thing out first.
But that's what they sit there, and then that's one
(30:11):
of the most fun things about doing stand up is
going to a place like that and doing some stuff
like that and getting them to hear it, and then
going to LA and kind of doing like the same thing,
because they think people in Hollywood think that you just
put a BLM sign in the window, and that means
(30:32):
you know, you're like a saint, and it's like you
haven't done anything which you basically did was appeased your
your sense of responsibility. What are you talking about, I
put a sign in the window. I'm on the right
side of history. Or my favorite one was it was
white people marching in BLM marches filming themselves or Instagram,
(30:54):
Look what a great person I am. So it's just like,
I don't know, I don't know a human being served interesting.
Is their comedy to be found in this year's election.
I mean the joke I've been doing there like this
election is like you know, when Hollywood makes a shitty movie,
you're like, man, that movie sucked, and then two years
later there's like a sequel and you're like, they're making
(31:15):
another one of these. That's how I look at this.
I think, basically, it's not worth the job's not worth
the headache. And I think that the house in the
Senate basically voting that you can't prosecute us for insider trading.
And they're all worth twenty to forty million dollars. And
you watch CNN and Fox News, you know who's supposed
to be these journalists just completely leave them alone. It's like,
(31:38):
why do I want that job? I can just sit here,
no one knows who I am other than in my state.
I can make my forty million move to another state,
no one knows who I am. You know, get a
boat and some coke and some wares, and I'm good. Right,
That's like, that's how they look at it, like CNN
Fox If I was running shit, CNN Fox News would
be shut down. They are anti American. All they do
every day their businesses divide us and and then who
(32:02):
they go after, they just go after. The reason why
comedians have been getting so much shit is because we
don't advertise on their network, so we're just soft targets. Right,
That's why I could the beginning of the pandemic. You
remember that kid who he hoarded all the hand sanitizer,
one of the greatest fucking gambles ever because they was
a SARS is coming and all of this shit this
kid said, all, I think this stuff is real, and
(32:24):
he had a whole garage full of hand sanitizer and
he was up in the price by one hundred percent
and seeing ah, they were just dragging this kid. How
could you do that? And then meanwhile, like big pharmaceutical companies,
it's like four to sixty bucks for a leukemia pill
and that's totally fine. Why is that fine? Because they're
making money off them, so they're not going to, like,
you know, bite the hand that feed. So this is
(32:44):
the shit that like you think about when you're alone
a lot on the road and it eventually makes you
go crazy. So I just I have decided what. I
just sort of like I don't pay attention to like anything.
I try not to, but then and when I do,
it's like heartbreaking. Like there's there's a uh, there's a
documentary about the Ukraine that came out one an oscar
(33:06):
and I just saw the trailers. I just was most
heartbreaking thing you've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
It's almost like ignorance is bliss, right, Like that's what
you realize unless you know happier you are.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, or like uh, I don't know. Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird and then dumb people think they know everything.
M M. Sure I had this works, let me, I
got it all figured out. Yeah, so that's why I realized, Yeah,
I don't know shit.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Does cancel culture scare you at all? It made you change,
you said.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You see a lot of comedians change the set, change
how they talk, change what they talk about.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, that was something that, like most movements, started with
something good, you know, and then was quickly co opted
by people with their own interest and then it just
completely lost its way.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And like, is a good thing because because medians were
usually the ones that well I think you.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Laugh, you know, but if there was people no, but
the initial thing that there's these people out there sex
abusing people like that was good to get rid of
those people that that wasn't bad. But then all of
a sudden it's spun into what are you talking about
in your act? You know? I worked with an actor
she got she got canceled for an analogy. Well and
it was and it was all politics. The girl on
Star Wars. It was she didn't want to get the
(34:19):
she didn't want to get the COVID shot, and then
she made some sort of Nazi Germany analogy, right, Well, no,
it'll do if it goes against the politics, if it
went across, if she was coming the other way, if
she was coming like the other way, then I don't
think it doesn't land that way, because I gotta be
honest with you, Like Hitler and Nazi analogies and comedy
(34:41):
are like are hackey, it's forever been this guy's the
next Hitler blah blah blah blah blah or something like that,
so you know, like I don't know it, so it's
it's it's I kind of like didn't really notice it
was happening that I was kind of on stage going like, oh,
(35:02):
I just said that, what if somebody just takes that clip?
And as I didn't realize I was doing that till
I did. Dave Chappelle was doing COVID shows and I
went there and nobody had a phone, and just the
freedom of that, not like I was gonna go out
and say something ignorant, but just not having to worry
about that when they were really kind of common for people,
because I think it's like died down, but it was
(35:24):
a while. It just seemed like they had to throw
a log on the fire every month and eat whether
they had somebody or not. And the wrong Nazi Germany
Hitler reference will get you in any air. Look, it's all.
It depends on your intent. It depends on your intent.
(35:46):
I did Nazi jokes when I was in Germany, and
they would die and laugh because it was just like,
what was it. I was just talking about all their accomplishments, like,
you know what's amazing about you guys, you know all
the accomplishments you made, you know, with the automobile, you know, weaponry,
(36:07):
audio tape. I just was listing all their accomplishments. I go,
and then you just pick one wrong guy and it
all goes to hell. And I just started talking about yeah,
because and then they filmed it so they can't refute it. Oh,
that was a joke I was doing. Yeah, how Germany
they actually have shame for what they did. And it's
(36:28):
not because they're better white people. It's because they're oppressed people. One.
They have to they have to acknowledge it.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
The natification though, that is that's what That's what that was. Yeah,
it was them having shame for what they did and
you know, cleaning everything up.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I find neo like neo Nazis are fascinating to me
because like they're all like to support the troops people
and they're like neo Nazis and it's like, well, you know,
the troops were fighting the Nazis. Like just how all
of that gets blurred after time?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
It's weird, not that one little piece you just said,
Neo Nazis a fast needing to be Yeah, clip that
going on Twitter?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Oh yeah, there it is. You have a field day.
I find them intriguing. How big of a deal is
it now for a comedian to have a special Yeah,
I still think it's it's a to have a good one.
If you have a whatever one, it's I don't know
what it's going to do for you. But uh, I'm
(37:23):
old school. I still like I'm like one of those
you know guys now in your business they just make
singles and stuff like that. So that's starting to become
that like have a special chopping up. That's what the
younger kids are doing. I'm still of the I'm still
making albums, So I don't know if that's stupid or whatever,
but that's that's how I do it. But I'm also
the belief that like, as long as you're doing quality
(37:44):
people are going to come and see yeah, and saying consistent.
It seems like a comedy ted talk. He's a very
in depth question.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I just want to know I'm jointed, and I was.
I was performing a FM way Paul.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Oh, that was one of those things that was so big,
Like I don't think I even mentally dealt it with
it until like two years.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
After I did it, thirty five thousand people.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Yeah, something like that. I felt like I was on
led Zeppelin. They had a police escort. We drove into
the thing, you know, as good is. I was there
for a week because I got family up there, so
I always go back in the summer. And you got
a family up there, I have family relatives. No, No,
I've looked a lot of lives. He's a waitress. Early
(38:29):
on in my career, we weren't a good place. Now, No,
I was, And I was walking around town and people say, hey, man,
you know, good luck on the show, you know, blah blah.
So I kind of felt like the city was behind me,
which was another thing to like they have to like
think about. So, yeah, I went up there, and what
I didn't realize is like they've so perfected the sound
and the screens and everything. It was just like this
giant comedy club and you always killing me. People kept
(38:51):
going like, just make sure you take it all in
when you're up there. Just make sure, you know, you
take a moment for yourself. It's like, this is comedy.
I can't do that. Well. The second I take a
moment with myself, I'm immediately bombing. So what I kept
doing was during Bigger Laughs, was just looking out Oklahoma
Plate where it said Fenway Park, and that was That's
just it was mind blowing and uh yeah. And then
(39:14):
we got to let us hang up in right field
smoking cigars and we my my family. We used to
always get tickets the blue seats up and right field,
so it was kind of up there. It was really
Uh yeah, that was something. So that was that was
a one time only because you want to do it again.
It's like, no, no, I don't think there's any point
to go back. Lotter request with tickets oh from people,
(39:38):
Uh you know, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad,
you know. It was was nerve wracking, though. Was my
high school reunion also? Was there? No, they just decided
to go to the show and that, and it's just
like that's just like a weird thing, where like when
I meet people from high school, like, you know, I
had a really cool class, so like I'm still the
person I was and and so are they. It's just
(39:59):
I'm doing this weird thing. So that was kind of
I had to block that out a little bit where
I to be like, you know, all those girls who
were afraid to talk to you go back to being like,
you know, a little billy, redheaded kid in like ninth grade.
So I had to like, Okay, I gotta block this
shit out and do my job. You just stun on
them a little bit. Nah, that my time to do that.
(40:21):
I blew it, and I just accepted. I took the
loss and I kept moving forward. I don't do I
don't go back. No, you married right, yeah, to a
black woman. If I'm not mistaken? Yeah, how does that happen?
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Saying a white guy from I watched, like, you know,
I watched different strokes growing up, and I had a
crush on Janet Jackson. How does that happen? When'd you meet?
First time I met her, I was with her dad,
who was booking The Apollo. So I was doing showtime
with the Apollo, and she was standing out back. Oh
(40:56):
she's black black, So I light skinned black people in
at the Apollo. It was my wife is gorgeous. He's gorgeous.
So that was one thing, but I didn't really I
I came and was coming up the backstairs and someone
was getting booed, and I just remember thinking like, why
(41:17):
am I doing this? I didn't need to do this.
This all started with like that Patrician shit where he
was always, you know, fucking with you. So he was like,
you have a good set, and he would just and
then he started talking about talents room, talent Will's room
around the corner, saying like, you know, there's a bunch
of comics over there that ten times funnier than all
you white guys, and da da da da da, and
you know, so it kind of felt like all right.
(41:39):
He was like, I just want a championship, and somebody saying, oh,
there's some guys across the way that could kick your ass.
They're not allowed in the league. So it's like, all right,
I gotta go play him. So I started doing those rooms,
and then that led and then I was thinking, like, well,
there's be great. I'll do the black rooms. I'll also
do the white rooms, and then I can get that draw.
That crowd that I heard on those Richer prior albums
didn't happen. But I ended up doing the Apollo and uh,
(42:03):
that's where I met her. But I met her again
on Tough Crowd. She was doing Tough Crowd with Colin
Quinn and we kind of hit it off, and I
remember I just kept asking her ound. She just kept
being a jerk, and right as I was a typical woman,
right the second I was like, you know what, the
hell with her? The hell with her? Ended up running
into her, and then all of a sudden she was
(42:23):
like really nice and we were hanging out. Oh my god,
this guy was cock blocking me so bad that night,
on such an epic level.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Don't blame him, obviously.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
No, it's because no, if it be no, why what
do you mean?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I mean, because he's so beautiful that you understand why
he would come.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
That's not why he was doing I No, you don't
have all the information. Give an informasic is this guy's
advocating cock blockers. I was like, why did you get that?
Chair advocating that shit. No, he was doing it because
he was miserable in his own relationship. So like he
saw me like and it was like, you know, it
was like fireworks, like we just like, I mean, love
(43:05):
it first night and yeah, like I've I've only met
two people that had like a vibe like her in
my life, and the first one was a dude. He
was just so that wasn't no, he was like no,
just walked in the room, you know, and you just
knew the person was coming the room. She has that vibe, right,
so uh old on, you got to clear that m
(43:27):
that will be clear. But you didn't date the guy nothing. No,
I'm just gonna make show of black people. Lego, this homophobia.
You always got to check, like what are you doing
manicured eyebrows, Like I'm gonna sit here and act like
you're all good over there, Like you don't swing a
lego with the fence every once in a while. You
(43:48):
got fucking sandals on and white socks. You look like
you just came from a steam room. Yeah No, I
just mean, like like I I always paid attention to
energy because my energy was terrible. I was like all
introverted and blah blah blah blah. So I was fascinated
with people that were just free. So that's what I meant. Okay,
(44:10):
we're gonna go back to sucking dick for a show again.
Guy's a one trick pony over here. So we go.
We go to like hang out right, No, So we're
like vibing and everything, and I literally had to say
to the dude he was like a chick. I'd be like, hey, man, sorry,
I'm not paying attention to you. That's how they fuck
he was. I was just like, you know, I'm hitting
it off with him. Man, I think this is going
all right. Right, So the end of the night comes,
(44:30):
the end of the stand up show, and he just
comes walking over. He goes, so, hey, you guys want
to go get something to eat? Right, and he invites
her and everybody. Now I'm at this fucking table and
there was like, you know, ten other people there, and
he's all the way down the end and he's still
like yelling down shit, trying to interrupt any of my
talking to her. I think, I mean so long ago.
I just remember one point that check came and I
didn't have any money, so I said, I'll put just
(44:52):
give me the cash, I'll put her on my card.
He's like, oh, he's just trying to get the miles
like that's like that's how he was doing it, right, Hey.
So everybody goes to leave, and now it's just oh no, no, no.
It was the middle of the dinner, right or whatever
the fuck we were doing the cock block dinner, right,
And I finally just look at her. I just give up,
right because he won't shut the fuck up. And I
finally just looked at her and I go, can I
(45:13):
at least split a cab with you? Home? So she
does that female thing, we why do you want to
split a cab with me? And I just said fuck
it all right. I was just thinking, I go because
I want to kiss you, right, okay? Right? So she
put her head down and smiled, and I was like,
I got her. Fuck this guy, So I let him
do all his bullshit. Everybody leaves except for him, me
(45:36):
and who's going to become my future wife? And he
literally goes. He goes, he goes, where do you live?
What do you do? You live uptown? And she goes, yeah,
I live a tongue. Oh I love it too. He goes,
you want to split a cab. He's trying to leave
with her, and she goes, no, I'm taking a ride home.
I'm riding home with Bill. He's going like, oh no,
but I live blah. He was so in his ship,
he was so in his shit, like he didn't she said,
(45:57):
I'm not going to say his name. She went so,
and so I'm splitting a cab with Bill and I
didn't have to. I didn't have to say ship. I
just stood there. And then he he left, and it
was funny. I don't talk to him for four days
and he calls me up. He's like, hey, what's going on?
Like nothing, what's up? He's like, uh so, like what
(46:18):
you're not gonna You didn't call me because you thought
it was cock blocking you there other night And I'm
like you were He goes, no, I wasn't. I'm like,
why did you bring it up? That was the end
of that friendship. And you know, I just don't have time.
I don't have time for that, you know what I mean.
And plus it was also kind of teetering anyways. You
know it was obvious too.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
It's like, yeah, your you're a woman failed to w
NBA joke is one of the greatest social commentaries.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Though, Yeah, thank you. I mean, I'm just I'm saying, yes,
I appreciate that. How did you get how did you
get to that? I was watching ESPN and they were blaming.
They were talking about like female sports not getting money
and stuff like that and all of that, and like
he's just being in entertainment. It's like you have to
(47:06):
put asses in the seats and that's what brings the
money in. So there was a point where, you know,
professional football wasn't doing as well as college football, and
these guys just kept working in and working it till
it became like what it was. And you know, there's
more women than there are men, So like, this is
not on us that women's sports at the very least
(47:28):
aren't being supported. So they're not being supported because you
guys aren't showing up. So that was the seed of
the bit. And I always forget my material.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
I forget how you pointed to what actually is successful
that women's support.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah reality TV, Yeah, which is
a bunch of women yelling at each other, yeah and fighting, yeah.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
Yeah, growing juice and drinks and water.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah, my wife likes those shows.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
Have you seen the Texas the former Texans Funny that
place where it steel is now Cameron Johnson and they
when the headlines says steal a sign Bill Burr look alike.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Oh yeah, I've seen that. That's scary. Yeah, yeah, I
concur that guy does definitely look like me. It would
have been cool if he was a quarterback. But that
shows how how popular you are. Oh yeah, I guess so.
I don't think any of that ship really Yeah. No,
that's the end of you, and that's the end of you.
(48:26):
You start walking around these I don't know. I actually
I kind of appreciate people that feel that way about themselves.
Then also, I don't understand it, but I mean when
you're standing there those people say that with their shirt
blowing in front of a fan, in front of their
own audience, that shit is hilarious to me. I don't
think you can go that far. But when you think
about your home, you got the sandals on, I could
see you're doing that, blowing your hoodie around. I'm just
(48:49):
gonna do it to you before you do it to me.
How many times you wash that sweatshirt, by the way
that it looks like a white guys sweatshirt, threw it
in with the towels and okay, oh it's tied that.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
Yeah, but when you think about your humble beginning, then
you think about Finway Park.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
You got to take that in a little bit. Like
I came a long way, at least I did. I did,
But like I get, I'm too afraid to That's basically
what it is. I'm too afraid to look at what
I'm doing in situations like that because I need to perform.
So if I get all into the you know, start
thinking of the magnitude of something. I just literally saw
(49:28):
Kevin Hart's picture on the door man. It's one of
my favorite people in the business.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Kevin bought he used to buy his chairs. So that's
why we have him sitting in that chair because he
bought for the old three. He bought all the chairs.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
It's one of my favorite people. All I do, our
whole relationship is just giving each other ship. I don't
think I had actual conversation anyway. Yeah I don't. I
don't think of stuff like that. So I I I minimize, minimize, minimized, minimize.
(49:57):
So because I had horrible anxiety when I started out, Yeah,
so I had to figure out how to get The
only way I could figure out how to get it
past it was to look at the stuff that I
was doing and act like it wasn't a big deal,
just a job. They come in here, they get sitters
and pay you know, money to come here. I come here,
(50:19):
I make them laugh, they leave, hopefully they come back,
and I just sort of reduce it to that, and
then I don't know. Then I come on a show
like this and you start bringing stuff up, and that's
when I think, that's when I first start thinking about it. Look,
I'm getting uncomfortable now, look at the ready to go right,
just thinking talking about that ship. That all comes back
also comes back to like just like, uh, I don't
(50:44):
know this weird, like low self esteem and then also
like not accepting compliments. I haven't figured that part of
me out past syndrome. Oh my god, first time. Yeah.
I always like that's the thought that every time I
get off stage, My thought is did I make him
laugh enough that they're gonna come back? And I club
(51:06):
Soda Kenny, I like, he like reassures me. I clubs
club Soda Kenny is my club sort of Candy Kenny
Kenny Kenny you know, I'm suspicious crazy. I'm just doing
it back to you. Uh club soda Kenny legendary, uh
(51:28):
former police officer, tour manager and uh security guy. This
he's like, I made it. I made a short film
with him. I gotta I gotta put it up on
your your website. So he's the guy when I get offstage.
He's you know, works with Dice, He's worked with everybody,
and uh so he knows. And he's also you know,
he's a cop jersey guy. You know, he talks like Deuce,
(51:50):
like straight shooter. He's not going to be like, no,
I was a good one, always good to blah blah blah.
And then you know, I get the pat on the back.
I know I I had a good one. So yeah,
that that is my thought. I don't walk off stage,
you know, oh god, I'm not going to use that reference.
Tot'll start some shit. I don't walk off stage thinking
I'm the ship. I walk off stage thinking I hope
(52:12):
that was good enough that they come back.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
So that was crazy because I'm literally still starstruck. Just
remember when I just walked past the room and I
was like, oh shit, Bilbert's Bilberg, how are you doing
and he was just looking like it was like not
at all, like, oh, yeah, you know, I am that guy.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
It was just real cool.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
And the first time you made me laugh was Racial Drafts.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
The Dave Chappelle that you did.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
When it came out, but I watched it because I
was a big fan of Chappelle show.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
And then every spot. That was one of the coolest things,
the first really cool thing that I ever got on
where it was like I got this experience like Beatlemania,
and I only did like most of us is probably
like who the hell were you that? First of all,
I had hair and I only did like, you know,
four Yeah. So I remember, uh, I was at this
(53:09):
thing Bonnaroo. You guys ever heard of? Oh you have? All? Right? Okay?
So Bonnaroo is like this sort of uh you know,
this this music festival in Nashville. It was one of
the early years of It was a lot of jam bands.
It was some really like earthy, smelly white people, sort
of out in the field type of thing. Not not
a city kid vibe. So it was pretty white, not
(53:33):
country white, but damn close. And the lights went down
and I was seeing like this this band, what the
hell are they called practice? Like brain was on drums
burning well sort of this offshoot band and the lights
went down. It was like ten thousand people in this
tent and the lights went down and they were waiting
for the band, and I just heard this, dude, just
go what and then somebody else on the other side.
Speaker 7 (53:55):
Yell yeah, and then somebody else yelled Okay, dude, I
like goosebumps, And it was like it was like right
when it was I think it was right after.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Rick James sketch had already like blown up, and I
saw like how big this show was on. I could
I couldn't believe it. And there was like comedians were
telling me, going, dude, that show you're on is fucking
blowing up. I just did a college gig and like say,
it came on at like ten o'clock or something like
that on Comedy Central, and this show was at nine
(54:29):
point thirty, like they would be doing a show trying
to do an hour at ten o'clock, like five or ten.
Half the crowd would just get up and leave, and
he'd be like, you know, thinking, what did I say, Well, well,
we're gonna go watch the Chappelle Show. I don't know
if anything gets that big again with not all of
those media, but it was like and everybody brings up,
you know, the Rick James one and all of that.
(54:52):
I will tell you this, the lawn Order sketch that
I was in the first cut of that, and I
think Comedy Central thought was too dark. Oh my god.
It was like it was like a fucking Oscar winning
movie because it was hilarious. And then it was like
when the White Dude was in prison in the end,
the way they did it and they cut to Dave
(55:14):
laughing on the golf course, it wasn't funny. It was like,
this is what you fuckers do to us. It was
it was like wow, something Commy sents like, oh you know,
we uh, I think there's a different ending. Bring it
a little bit. There was a that was another thing too.
I remember they used to edit it right up the
street from where I was living, and I remember Neil
(55:35):
Brennan going, you gotta, you gotta come see this ship.
And I got to see them the Rick James s
ketch before anybody else, and I remember laughing my ass off,
and they just became a point I stopped laughing and
I was just like this is like, I've never seen
anything like this in my life. Yes, that was probably
the first kind of still like the one of the
(55:59):
coolest things. I got to be on him at Charlie
Murphy Rest his soul. He's up into We got him
up there in the corner. Oh yeah, oh man, the
stories that went with that guy. Yeah, he had, Oh
my god, his stories. He had endless. He told this
story one time and it was all stuff from the eighties.
(56:21):
It would be so like, yo, yo, how was at
this party? Was me, Sugar Ray Leonard and Punky Brewster? Right,
like what party is this? It was just all these
like eighties icons Right then he was talking about sugar
Ey Leonard being drunk, talking about how he how quickly
he could throw punches at your ribs and not hit you,
and and he said that these white guys were letting
(56:44):
him do it. He was drunk and he kept hitting
him and they would like fold in half, and he
was crying, laughing, telling her I was going, why the
fuck would they do? I don't know. That's the nicer
one I can tell.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
So that the funny thing about your pail when you
look at chapel and now you you rewatch it. You'll
see you, You'll see Joe Rogan, you'll see Neil Brandy,
you'll see all of these people who have gone on
to be you know, icons of the known.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
Right now. Yeah, Dave gave me one of the u
one of the greatest pep talks I ever got, I
ever got. Like it's funny because I'm older than Dave,
but Dave started so young. I always look at him
like an older brother, right, And uh, I was doing
some shit at the cellar, you know, and I got
off stage and he was sitting on the stairs. Fortunately
I didn't know he was there. I would at that
(57:29):
point in my career would have been like intimidated somebody
that big watching me. And I remember him telling me,
he's like, man, your point of view was so dope, man,
and he goes, it's gonna but it's gonna take you
a lot longer to get there, but when you do,
you're gonna hit hard. And I, dude, I fucking held
on to that for like seven years on the road
going Dave think some funny, Dave thinks some funny.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, he was right, that's right. Yeah, all right, Bill
fucking bird Man, all right, joining.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
Us, all right, thank you for having you. Guys were nice.
Everybody got me all nerves like you guys, let's not go? Why,
let's not go? Why? You know why? You know why?
Speaker 2 (58:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
Yes, I gonna be honest with you. I listened. I
listened to one clip and I shut it off after
eight seconds. You what clip was it? Somebody said something like, well,
you know sometimes, uh, sometimes whatever the hell he was
talking about, and I just hear you go, why would
you do that? Like? Oh, ship? Is it gonna be this?
Speaker 5 (58:24):
Larry King always says the best question to ask is why.
Because people say that, and I really do be curious.
I'm like, well why why is always the best question.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
That's a better Yeah, it's a better why Your why wasn't?
That wasn't the read. It was like the subtext was
why the funk would you do that? No, it isn't.
But I had a good time. It's my insecurity. I
hope you had me back you to know that there's
a lot of people I know that that hold you
(58:53):
in very, very high.
Speaker 5 (58:55):
The young comedians, older comedians like Pete Davison always talked
about you all the time.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Ricky Gervai, Yeah, Pete, I remember Pete was another guy.
He had that vibe. He was just memorable. I met him.
He was like like like twelve thirteen years old, already
as tall as me, and I remember years later he
started doing Stalley. Four years later, he goes, I don't
know if you remember. I just I remember I said,
Atlantic City. You were standing there with your mom, So
all right, how many times we're gonna wrap this up?
(59:19):
I think it's that's all right? Thank you so much.
I really appreciate what is Bill? All right? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (59:24):
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that ass up
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (59:28):
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