Dame Dash Interview

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Real celebrity real joined the Breakfast more than everybody is
DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Sharloman, the guy. We are the
Breakfast Club special guests in the building, very highly requested. Yeah,
interview for a long time. Yeah, I'm mister Dami dash.
What's going on? He brought some people. What your damn
to do? Your people's Um? I got first gob he

(00:24):
wants to be noticed. I heard the dog under there. Yeah,
and I got my old g daniel U to my
left and to my right, I got murder Mooke. It
was the murder Mook affiliation. I know he's in the movie,
but it's what y'all doing things. The overall affiliation is
the Harlem thing Smoked Dizzer, who's not here. I don't
know why. Uh, you know he was hanging out of
d D one seventy two. That's the gallery. I hadn't

(00:46):
try back a couple of years back, and I knew
him before he kind of hit it big or whatever.
We got to this much success and um when reconnected. Uh,
he was always trying to bring murder Mook around because
you know he's from Harleman. I feel like I'm really
I don't like hanging out with dudes too much that
I don't know, you know, And I was like, I'm
not really trying to know anybody named murder with the
first named Murder, you know what I'm saying. But we

(01:08):
ended up one night at that fish market with asap Rocky,
and he was there and he came through with the car.
He got this car that has a lot of personality,
and he showed me. We went back to Asap Rocky's
house and he showed me the movie He's showing everybody
rather the television show Fused, and you know, I'm about
battle rapping. That's where I'm from, and someone about him
was kind of familiar to me, Paul. So he started

(01:29):
to come around the gallery and making music, and I
started doing the movies and there's a lot of things
that he spoke about, and him and his other friends,
like black Faced, The way they spoken, the things they
spoke about reminded me of my og Daniel, you know,
And I hadn't seen Daniel. I'm telling you how I
met him, but now I'm going to how I met Daniel.
So then they started to come around make music and

(01:51):
we were doing lot sides and there was something that
they said that was very distinctive. So I started to
talk about what I used to do with my old homeboys,
and one of my old geez was Daniel, and I
was like, yeah, I don't know Daniel, and they were
like black faced pulling, was like I think he's talking
about Nico. His name d he might be Daniel, And
they showed me the picture and it was my oldg

(02:12):
you know. It was the person that you know, kind
of guided me, like a lot of people guided me
when I was younger and in the street. And there's
a lot of people we have in common that became
legends in the street, whether it's for wrong or right reasons.
But in those moments, we didn't know the things we
were doing with legendary. And he kind of said and
did things that taught me how to survive in those
extreme environments. And then also I was able to apply

(02:35):
it now and like when things were questioned, like my honor,
I would always go back to the guys that raised
me be all right with what I'm doing. He said, question,
what do you mean question your honor? Like if let's
say someone offered me a bag of money to do
something that I traditionally wouldn't do. But it'd be like,
I need to do it for more money. I'd be like,

(02:55):
hall m, dude, wouldn't do that. My home boys would
laugh at me. What would Daniel say? You know that
kind of stuff, because I know he was somewhere, you know,
I hadn't seen it for twenty five years. But then
he came around. It was the same Daniel. You know,
he was still up, still had a point of view,
and I was shooting a scene and he was giving
advice to the person shooting a scene. He was so animated.

(03:18):
Your governor stopped that man. That's just dog he's talking
to By the way, she's crying, like, what's wrong with you?
He wants to be with his mother up and go
over there, go be with Rock Keller. He's bugging you
give it anyway, so him and I anyway. So I
put him in the movie. I was like, dude the
movie and he was so good at it. Like literally,
when he did his scenes, people quit on the set
because they were so scared because he's so authentic and

(03:40):
we were able to pull from our actual experiences of
the people around us and the aggression of the people
around us. But still have because we had the intelligence
not to do what everyone was doing. Like you got
a choice in the street, you could survive. But usually
there's a paper bag of money that makes you do
something that's against that articode. And that's the thing to
get you jamped up about yourself. Yeah, and the things

(04:01):
he taught me was don't ever compromise, you know. And
it's not just him. He walks around with the og
and that's what Hallom dudes do. Now, let me ask you.
You talk about Hallom a lot, you know from you're
just talking or from a long time. How did you
meet up with jay Z who was from Brooklyn? Because
like you guys type, you're really still curious about the James. Absolutely,

(04:22):
you don't know the story's curious. No, we want you
to tell us. Let me ask you a question. No,
this is not you're not asking. You're asking you. People
want to know that. Can I ask your questions? Have
you never? Have you never asked this question from me
before about but I was on a smaller scale. It
wasn't as big as the ask your question? Do you
think everybody knows that question? Now? I don't think everybody
knows that answer. Do you know the answer yeah, No,

(04:44):
you tell us the as to tell us to answer
how you're met. No, it's it's different because we're on
a different scale. Queens don't get along. Ask question. Okay,
let's be many, right. If somebody asked you the same
question twenty five times, maybe twenty five hundred times, do
you still want to talk about the same thing? Yes
and no. No. So that's just me being human. Understand.

(05:05):
So I don't care what platform. I'm sick of talking
about it. Let's talk about something else. It's a different platform,
I know, but I want to talk about something else. Yeah,
but that question, I just told you the next question.
No more jay Z questions. I answered them more. But
I want to talk about you. You say your old gs.
You talk about your counsel, like I always wondered who
was your counsel? Like when you would scream one other
executives back in the day, Like, were those the guys

(05:25):
you would go to and say, YO, was not wrong
for that. I would never screaming on other executives. Yeah,
they weren't in my life at the time. But I
have my crew and I had the people. See. The
reason why I was screaming is because it would be
for me not putting my hands on them. See the
way I was taught, when you putting up money and
someone doesn't do what you say or they owe you money,
if you don't put your hands on them, then you
can't be outside anymore. So you have to make examples

(05:47):
out of people. So the yelling and the snapping and
laughing at people was I was taught to hurt people,
but instead I was also taught a smarter way to
get it people. And that's one of the things that
Daniel taught me. So like it will be the people
that be around and they would be straight, real tough,
but I could just snap one them. We would snap
all day and instead of me having to kill these

(06:08):
with guns, I killed him with jokes. And Daniel's a
funny dude, you know, But when it came down to it,
my knuckle game is proper. You know, all my eyes
I'm not around you know, I'm gonna go out all
out for what I believe in. But I'd rather laugh
at you, didn't shoot you. I'd rather make a a
movie if I'd rather talk to you disrespectfully, didn't have
to punch you in your mouth for disrespecting me. That's

(06:28):
what I was taught. So that's that's why I was
able to maneuver. So instead of going to get my gun,
I was able to use my logic. And it's like
math is everything is simple? Math. You asked me a
question twenty five times just because you want to everyone
else to know. I don't care. I'm sick of answering
that question. Period. So I want to talk about another
man all day. I want to talk about other things,
you know what I mean. Period, don't want to talk

(06:49):
about other men. It bugs me out. Why are men
so curious about other men? That makes no sense. I'm
never worried about other men that much. Now let me
ask you, as a woman, why are men so worried
about other men and how much money they got and
all this other man stuff? Why? Well, I think part
of it is social media. You know what happens. I
gotta do it. We put up a picture like you
was here, and a bunch of people would be like,

(07:10):
ask them this, ask him this and some money thing.
It is true that people ask the same questions because
some people might not have heard the answer. Everybody heard
this answer. Now, I won't say that wybody knows my
history with Jakey. I already said, listen, you say something.
Y'all saw my other interview. I already told you the
reasons why I don't want to talk about that man.
You got one of them hass on right now. I

(07:30):
told you why, because look at the guys right here.
I told you why, get off of that man, Paul.
You asked that man. Y'all never asked that man no questions?
What do you answer? Did I still want to talk
about those days that it was fifteen years ago? That's
still how y'all make money? No? I agree with Jason.
Why listen if y'all still making money off for old substance,
how are you going to grow? I agree with that,

(07:52):
but we're still talking about Jay. I haven't even seen
Jake but two times in fifteen years, which is my thing, though,
that you did add something new to the conversation when
you said you brought up the stuff about Desert Ray.
I didn't bring up nothing. I don't say a name,
And I said, look, you're still bringing it up. You
got the hat on. I told you I don't want
to talk about it, so I don't want to talk
about it no more. You understand se I don't understand
what was out there. People go to jail, people get
killed for this kind of stuff. I don't play these

(08:14):
these ghetto games. But do this bubble, I don't. I
told you once you as a certain friends. We don't
even talk about them no more where I'm from. So
if you think I'm gonna get on the camera, keep
talking about this thing. I don't know what's going on
over there. You got the hat on, you asked them,
you calling out names, you call them, don't do really
you did talk about you know, I would say you

(08:34):
were the bad guy at one time. That was your job.
Not the reason I'm asking. I wasn't a bad guy.
I was a good guy. I was a bad guy
to the bad people. Right, I'm the good guy to
the good guysers. I'm always gonna be a bad guy
to somebody. Listen. Listen, guy, if I let me ask
you a question, if I beat the shout of you,
and you, dude, you did something bad, but in your mind,
I you up and my bad guy. If I did
something bad, No to that person, I got his ass whipped.

(08:56):
I am a bad guy to the person I got
his asked. But that's what I'm saying. So so hold on,
so I'm looking. Look, I'm walking around whipping ass. Somebody's
gonna say I'm a bad guy. Right, absolutely pause? You
know what I'm saying. I didn't say who's you know anyway?
So I'm saying I'm gonna be a bad guy. That's

(09:17):
all good guy Like Batman. They said he was a
bad guy, but he was a superhero everything that fights.
They said Jesus was a bad guy, right or wrong? Like,
what do you get? Right's a joke, I'll be saying,
but I made it up. Right? Where do you get
when you have a dinner with a bunch of people
that you're guiding and taking care of what hung up
on a cross? Because that's what they did to Jesus.
So you've seen men violate God, so all men gonna

(09:40):
violate everybody. Here's a question I have. How come there
was no women at the last supper? I'm asking, I
don't know why you never thought about that? No, that's
the questions. I'll be one. Maybe they was in the
kitchen cooking because I don't know what was going on.
Bottom waned See that's why he got violated. You ain't
got no women around watching your back. You're getting violated. Period.
The Bible is. The Bible is three thousand pages about

(10:03):
stories about men violating God. So that's just me saying
men are always gonna violate other men. Pause. So I
try to keep my circle tight and keep more women
around me. I don't like dudes that much. They'd be
worried about the room. There's also a lot of stories
in the Bible about don't matter. I'm talking about the
Last Supper. If I'm Jesus and I'm giving jewels and
all that, I'm have some girls around, I'm telling you,
and they're gonna be some Because women have testosterone, see estrogenes.

(10:29):
Men should always want to be number one. A man
should always want to be in he has nuts. His
job is to go make women pregnant and to go
take care of his women, to go eat, to be
the champion. So he's supposed to be number one, like me,
us three sitting here, no matter what he knows, he
could have this slap. He knows he can have it. Pause.
In Harlem, we always think we supposed were supposed to
think that, because that's what real men think, you know,

(10:51):
and that's what testosterone breed. That's why you can't hire
a bunch of men, they're gonna resent you. You know
what you get when you give a bunch of men stuff.
They resent you for that. They want to kill you
because they want to be the boss. If a man
doesn't want to be the boss, then he's not a
real man. Every real man wants to be a boss.
Who do the girls like the boss? So everyone that
that has girlfriends, they're gonna keep their girls away from

(11:14):
the boss because he's the most appealing. Right is that
one of the reasons you've had a lot of problems
with I don't know why I've always been the boss.
I don't know. Those are not problems for me. Women
don't want to be around. That's better for me. I've
run into their women other places. It's all right, you know,
Like when a woman talks bad When a man talks
bad about another dude in front of a woman, that's
because he's afraid that the woman likes the other dude.
So the more men or women or men talk about

(11:36):
me today women, the more than women come to me.
I love it so to me, that's the good guy.
It's all about perspective. I'm a good guy. Mama, Have
I ever been the bad guy at home. No, no,
that's what I'm saying. I've never been the bad guy you. No, No,
I've never. I'm always you know, like if you at war,
you're the bad guy the people you're fighting. So whoever
looks at me as a bad guy, they're on the

(11:56):
wrong and they're on the wrong team. You. If you're
not honorable, if you don't do play things fair, yeah,
you better watch the out because I'm protecting love. You
see what I do when I got the rock, pauls.
I give it the platform to my friends and I
always have. While I haven't been around, a lot of
people got fat, but all my friends are starving. Or
the people that are left out there, everyone's starving. A

(12:18):
couple of people are fat. We're taking it back so
everybody could eat, movies, radio, books, everything, fashion, everything, and
when we have it, no one's gonna have a boss.
Everyone's going to be a boss. Period. Are there times
in business you feel like you haven't been honorable and fair? Never? Never,

(12:39):
I've never not been honorable in business, y'all keep telling
me every time I hear me not being honorable in
business is from a radio show when men talk about
men it's never been from that man telling me in
my face. It's not a claim, it's never been social media.
How can a man say social media with a straight face.
Men don't listen to social media. No, then don't listen

(13:00):
to social media. A real man doesn't listen to a
rumor and Twitter. Let me ask you a question. What
about real calm, real com. We ask real calm, real calm.
Does a real man listen to what another man says
about another man? Yes? Or no? I mean you listen
to something, you to take it the right thing, so
you have no questions to ask me. I don't give
a but this is this is the radio business. I
don't give a about the radio business. I don't give

(13:24):
a want to box something doesn't want to do that
what he wants to do. But what I'm saying over
money that people know it don't be over no money
because if it was over money, with how much money?
What's money to you? That's all relative to me? Yeah,
I mean it's all relative, but it's not hundred thousand
dollars money. It's money not to me. But you can't
do not to me. It is money, it's not to me,

(13:45):
it's relative. I can't one hundred thousand dollars. My bills
are way more than a hundred thousand dollars. I forget
all that money talking. I'm not what you I'm not
asking you a question. I'm trying to prove a point
here so you can have a clarity of what you're
should be worried about, sayative based on who you are,
what money is, because I'm two thousand dollars Now, it's
not what I asked you. I asked you it's a
hundred thousand's not to me, it's relative. So let me
ask you a question. Would you disrespect me for a
hundred dollars one hundred thousand dollars? No, it's not worth disrespected.

(14:09):
It's not worth going to take your friend to court.
It's not worth going to a radio station and talking
about business. What's worth that kind of what's worth a
real man talking about his business on the radio between
another man? What's worth that? Let me ask you from
the radio, how much money? None? I don't need the
money exactly, it's not exactly. So when a man comes
on the radio and talks about money and they don't

(14:29):
talk to about me, I know that's not the issue.
Because if it was really about money, he would call me.
He wouldn't have called you. He know I'm not listening
to you. I'm gonna listening to you. Ask me a
questions about another man of money, A real man don't
answer those questions. A real man don't ask them. Let's
talk about you. Do you feel like you get your
props as a mogo? Care take my props about props?

(14:51):
I can't. Yeah, I do get my props that I'm
not a mogo. I'm a tycoon and I sell oil.
Don't disrespect me and say I do everything everybody else does,
and I put up my own money. All these so
called morgus you're talking about, you name one of them
that put their own dough up. Boss, You're only the
boss if you put up your own money. If you
don't put up your own money, I don't care how
much somebody gives you. You're nothing but the supervisor. It's
not yours. So how much money can you get paid

(15:13):
to not? There's no money in this world for someone
to pay me. So they could call me, so I
could call them a boss. That's like calling somebody daddy.
That's how could a man call another man or that's
my boss. We don't do that. I mean everybody at
some points. No, not in Harlem. Oh okay, but like
somebody's boss. No, I'm not somebody's boss. I'm when I

(15:34):
was in the street, some of them wasn't your boss.
They gave you an opportunity. Okay, they gave you some work.
You go make it and then you bring it back.
You could go buy your own work. You do whatever
you want. It's called consignment. So why this can't be
all work? This corporate America? We could be. You don't
own it. I'm telling you question question. Let me ask

(15:54):
your questions. Can you give it to your son? Tell
you about whatever company? I absolutely positively can. How because
I own shares of this company board. Yes. What I'm
saying is, can your son is this yours? To give
the whole company to company? Exactly? It's not mine. But
stopped listen, listen, that's not my question. If your son
needs a job here, can you give it to him? No? No.

(16:15):
If your son needs to get some money out the
bank from here, some cash flow, can you get it? No?
All right, you don't own this, but I can. It's
not yours. I'm not gonna fight for something I don't own.
Men don't do that. I don't fight for others. I
fight for me. I'm not a doula. I'm not gonna
build somebody else's company and then pick chairs for my son.

(16:35):
But listen what I'm saying. What about stop? Don't say
you're making my business and you don't know what you're
talking about. I take no money from death. Dam what
you're talking to me? Take? I mean they cut you know,
they didn't cut me a check. We had a formula
based on performance, and they calculated and we got paid,
and they don't stop. That's not us, that's what we know. No.
We listen, Before we we had Rockefeller, we put up

(17:00):
my own money for Rockefeller, right, Okay, then we sold
half of it. We became partners. So that means no
one gave us anything. We were fifty fifty partners. We
built something and sold it. That doesn't mean you work
for someone. See they let you believe that. So then
what happened was based on a formula. One of the
formula is it was profit times a certain numbers. So

(17:21):
if you make this much profit time seven, that's how
much your number is. Okay, based on that formula, they
bought the rest. That's it. That's not nobody giving me money.
I didn't never worked for them. I put I put
up way more money than deaf Jam put up me.
Biggs and Jay put way more money up into death Jam.
I mean rather than too Rockefeller than deef Jam. What
they did was collect our money. But you mean, why

(17:43):
do you think deaf Jam they first of all, when
we were with deaf Jam, they were bought by Universal.
How you gonna call it deaths how you are there
or someone that's bought by someone could be someone's boss.
That's my point. You have to understand what you're doing
in business because you gotta do it's best for your kids.
Which best for your kids is to put your money
into something distress, go through all of it. So when

(18:05):
your child becomes a man, he doesn't have to work
for nobody who could just pass it to him. Now
you talk about and so you're gonna work twenty years
in the business or fifteen years in the business every
day over and over again, and your son can't work
here whenever he feels like it. You're clownings not saying
if you all wait a second because time' that's stupid.

(18:25):
You should be because I like to check wait, timet,
time out, time you're ying. I don't before you lose
your control. Listen to him because why don't you listen
to work? It for free? Who could work? Would you
ever enjoy being a slave? I'm not. It's not a slave.
This is what I enjoyed, slavery. Do you have to

(18:46):
come and work today? Do you have a choice? You
have to ask somebody when you have to? Yes, you do,
I don't. Or you're fired? Can somebody tell you fire?
Can somebody tell you fire? Can another man say you fired? Absolutely?
No one can tell me that, And that's what that's priceless.
But I'm here because I don't care. You enjoy having
a man? Let me ask you a question. So you're

(19:07):
being selfish? Do you think your son enjoys you calling
somebody else a boss? Could you think your son would
rather wake up with you and you could pick him
up from school instead of having to do a nine
to five? Don't you think? Yeah? But don't you have
to wake up it's four in the morning. Don't you
think your son would love if his name was up there,
Dash or whatever your last name is instead of somebody else's.

(19:28):
My pride is that my children. Look what I'm doing
right now. Look at my son. I taught my son
never to have a boss. She's twenty three. He owns
a restaurant, he has cookies, he has equity. He bust
his ass so he could pass it on to his son.
If that's not what you hustlers for, you're selfish. You
keep saying, I I'm worried about my kids. You're worried

(19:48):
about you. Kids are good? How they good? Your kids
will jail boardroom and the kid they that's supposed to work.
I'm saying, when they men, you're supposed to pass him.
You're working for another man they worry about. To me,
I feel like I'm in death. Jaff boardroom is death. Backstage,
everybody cool out for a second day. I questions, what's

(20:11):
wrong with taking the money from here and investing it
into your other stuff? That we are nothing nothing? Everybody
need a cookie, cool out for a second. I'm not mad.
The mentality of this is frustrating because you're in the
radio and this message is crazy. To me. You're saying,
because you enjoy music or being a DJ, you enjoy
having a boss. If you enjoy being a DJ. Just

(20:32):
why don't you own your own radio station and then
DJ for your own radio station so your son can
just get on anytime he wants. That's all I'm saying.
But there's no steps to it because I do it.
So you enjoy the safety and the security of a
job every day, But there's no pride in that. To me,
my son, he takes pride and my kids take pride
in the fact that I have Dash motors. And because

(20:54):
I have that, my son said, I'm not going to
ever have a boss because mentality is different. It's just
about change your mentality. Then let me ask the question.
There's millions of people out there that don't have that
opportunity and boss every day. So you're basically saying because
they have a boss, there's no pride in it. I
think because people on the radio tell people it's okay
to have a boss, they don't understand that they can

(21:16):
have more. And because of the direct to consumer relationship
the Internet, there's no excuse. So when I make a movie,
like Lo saidas I don't have to ask if I
could put Daniel in the movie. I just do it.
I had to ask if I could put the way home.
I had to ask if I could put camera on.
I don't have to ask no more. You understand there's

(21:36):
pride in that. It's just a pride. You should have
an ownership platform. How do you get the platform by
putting your own money up and investing in yourself. That's it.
You flip and getting a good woman and stop trusting dudes,
and stop worrying about other people's pockets and what other
people have and what other people can do for you.
And nine to fives aren't good because you look you're
hustling forth weekend. But when you can do something that's

(21:58):
for yourself and your family, it never feels like work.
I hustle from my I hustle felt my last name.
I don't hustle for my first the dash name. When
listen again, when my grandfather died, he looked at me
and he knew that Dash is always going to be there,
at least for the next couple of generations, either to me,
my son or or my son's son. It's a mentality.

(22:20):
I want to have generations or just what if your
kids aren't as strong as you? What if your kids
kids aren't as strong as you? Then what the last
reason why we set up the platform. Say they don't
have to do any you have a boss, but you
know a man say he has a boss and be proud.

(22:42):
I want to say, but dash like you know, you
say you should never worry about the man's pockets. But
I vividly remember you clowning people for being broke. No, no,
I never clowned someone for being broke. I'm clowning them
for not spending money. You clown people for that. I know.
I know you never heard me say. You know I'm
talking about when you tell me a joke. You should
heard what I said, you broke. I've been in the
office one sneakers and they clothes and say, yo, you

(23:04):
know what I mean. Rich people buy wax sneakers. I
just cut Kevin Harden up because he wore ugs. That's
what I'm telling you. It's not about money. Office. You
can't buy taste. No you can't, all right, So I
shouldnap on people for having bad taste, not about money.
So your your approach is different, your perspective. You see
things for a different lens because you got the balls
your tax because I used to pop tags. Because you
know what happened was every time I went to the gym.

(23:27):
You know, I have brought new clothes for me. I
changing the gym, so every time I finished would be
a polo tags. So I'd be like, look, yeah, I'm
popping tags. That's all. What's the problem. Why are you offended?
I'm offending. I don't know why, sap. That's about we
have We have a different taste level, we have different
You like a boss, I don't. It's not mad about
having the balls. It is it my matter, it is
it doesn't matter to you and me. It does because

(23:49):
I have enough investment. You don't own nothing. You don't
own nothing investment. You sound smart to somebody dumb. You
know what I'm saying. You got a boss? You have
a boss? Are you this conversation? Don't tell me I
sound stupid, because you tell me, I'll sound stupid. Okay,
did I say it was stupid? If I did, I'm sorry.

(24:09):
But did I say you sound stupid? Yes? Sorry about that?
What you say? All I said? Well, I wanted to say,
was that? Um? Since because I've heard somebody mentioned social
media or something like that, but since the emergency thinking
like a lot of the direct to consumer platforms like
the Instagrams and the Twitter. We set up the middle

(24:32):
of a lot of a lot of entrepreneurial people out
there and a lot of businesses being you know what
I mean, started from from the ground level. We're seeing
more and more people, you know, making money off Instagram,
off of that thing. Uh, you don't have to sell
gossip anymore. You can do different things because you could.
You have gotten to that point. How do you feel

(24:53):
about your question? How do you feel about the fact
could yourself gossip? For? Like you said, gossip, You're a man,
How do you and so gossip that's for women. We
don't talk about talking about what other people say. Every day.
You're talking about what you heard. That's got that's women
do that, man, that's what women do. I don't listen
to your show. I don't want to hear about gossip
to you. I'd be sleeping. I'm a boss. Just wake

(25:15):
up when I one. I don't be up that earlier.
I mean, I think I think there's many things that
we talked about. You talking about what you told to
talk about. You got a boss. Now we have to
come up get told what to do. No, no, your
boss tells you what they do. If I'm a boss.
I tell whatever your boss that you're lying. You know what,
what's your boss name? What's your boss name? Which one

(25:35):
we got? Oh my god, you're proud to say which one? Yeah,
we're on fifty different. It's not your market. You don't
own it. Yeah, if they talk about them, you wouldn't
be here because people here. I get ready, No one
never so serious. Your boys said that. Yeah, they call
them out, they say, used to work them out. Call
them out. What you like to work with you? I'm

(25:55):
a market. You said it. You gossip, and that's chatty.
Don't tell me not unless're gon call somebody out of
the shoe. That's girl to me. I'm just tell I
don't listen men to me, right, because I have testosterone.
I got nuts. I don't listen to other men's gossip.
And a man that gossips to me don't have nuts,
so that that means he has a vaginas. Because I'm telling,

(26:16):
tell me who said it? Then you see why I'm from.
You don't do that if you want to deliver the message.
I don't want to hear that. It's you lying, lying,
call out of name? Are you lying? Call out of name?
Be a man and call out a name, or you
gossip and or your chatty no chatty patty questions. Ask

(26:37):
me a real question about Don't tell me what somebody
else said. What's the movie man? The movie's lot side this,
you can get it besides movie dot com. I directed it,
Daniel's in it, smoke diss in it, murder mooks in it.
It's very realistic. I'm very proud of what I've done.
Let let's take it off me for a second. There

(26:59):
is what there were one thing I want to bring
up that disappointed me. So I do think we should
all just stick together. Pause, even you an definitely whatever
you need culturally, you know, a man, it's always a
title to have a different perspective. Okay, me and Daniel,
are you not arguing? We talk on the phone about
perspectives loudly. Same't the tough to you on the phone.

(27:22):
Then I'm talking to him though, Yeah, okay, I'm not.
Just you know what I mean. This is a guy
that deserves that kind of conversation because he's shown it
by his action. But whenever you could get positive advice,
you gotta take it, you know what I mean. So
it might be hard, you might not want to deal
with the controversy conversation. But if it's beneficial and you
can learn from it and it elevates you, why not

(27:44):
you know what I mean? Absolutely, I listen to everything.
I might not like it, but you know, listen again,
A man's allowed to have a perspective. That's why if
I said you were stupid, That's why I said sorry,
I don't have the right to disrespect you. And I
didn't like the way it felt when you said being stupid,
like you're not going you're not telling apologize and it's cool.
But my point is what I was saying is we
need to don't even have phones on that ve in.

(28:13):
Um My problem was this, we have to stick together,
and I'm sick of us as a culture not sticking together.
So I'm gonna call somebody out from my culture. I'm
calling out Spike Lee. Um he's doing the same thing
I'm doing, like the Vimeo And I had my uh
local high yell Lebron Gaddison, you know he does all
the technology. He went and reached out to him and

(28:33):
talk to him and asked him like we should link
up and just talk and he was like, you know,
Dam's arrogant and he didn't want to offer no help.
He didn't want to sit down with me, and I
just didn't appreciate that. And I just want somebody to
ask Spike Lee why he don't want to stick together?
Like why he don't think I deserve a conversation? What
when have I ever been arrogant with him? And how

(28:54):
can you not be successful if you're not confident in
what you do? But why we don't stick together? Like
why is the first thing he would bring up is
a fault of mine as opposed to you know what
I mean? Like he's a great man. I would want
him to say something good about So I'm only airing
it out in public because I wanted to be spoken about.
So it sometimes this treason is to call out other men.
I'll talk about other being Well, it's a direct experience.

(29:15):
I'm happening. And I called his name out. So you're
gonna tell me somebody says something and not tell me
who said it. You're chatty, patty, I'm just listening there,
I'm listening. No, I have no experience with him at all,
But what's up at the nickname? And he came by
my gallery once? But I don't think he came by
on purpose. And once he found out, he broke out.
He didn't hang out, and and I'd just be like, Yo,

(29:35):
it would look cooler if we came through together, you know,
if he did something he taught me and I could
say spikely, I would rather my honest experience. Would another
black man be positive as opposed it would be like damn.
I reached out to just talk like I thought maybe
I could help him. He's still raising money, he's Kickstarter.
I put up my own money. He has a boss,
no disrespect and to the millions that happen. But my

(29:58):
point is, I just want some abody to call out
Spike Lee and ask him why that day he said
that and why he didn't want to have a conversation
with another black man that reached out for help because
I thought maybe he could give me some guidance and
we could link up. It just hurt my feelings, you know.
You also, I wanted to bring up here all the cookies,
and I want to wait till you're on the radio
to give them to you. But here's some cookies. Trust me,

(30:21):
you want the reason why you're wearing them angels when
your neck the reason I'm wearing them for my kids
represents my kids. But you mean this is the style? Okay,
do you know who did that first? Jesus know me? Really? Yeah,
that's Kanye. See what happened was I get the angels
made of my kids, and I I went to Jacob to jeweler,
and then I was wearing the angel and then Kanye
was like, yo, I want to get an angel. Then

(30:43):
I gave him my angel and he was like, yo,
I'm gonna give it back one day he didn't, but whatever,
he forgets that one. I saw it, but then then
everyone else you know what I mean. So it's funny
how sometimes you don't even know that that got designed
by me. I designed it's on your neck, will represent
your kids. Is because I inspired that thought. I made
him to represent my kids. And you're wearing two of

(31:04):
those on your neck. And I can show you the
original one, mate, and you can ask Kanye or Jacob,
did Jela or any one of them about that story.
It's good to see you working together again, too many.
You can you trust him though, because he openly admitted
he was disloyal. My thing about trusted You can't trust anybody,
so you don't put enough into anybody where they're just
loyalty can hurt you. So there's nothing he can do

(31:25):
to hurt me. All he can do is be what
he's been. He has a platform and a lot of
people listen to what he say. And as he's had
that platform, he's brought brought me into the equation by
saying my name in the honorable way that's worth millions.
And let me just say something hire. Let me just
put this in real quick, by the way, just just
for the record, if you look at my man Dame, right,

(31:47):
because this is what I did the other day. I
looked at Dame, and I looked at all the people
I only have to call no names, looked at all
the people that started from him, and then they moved on.
You know what I mean? Don't that mean a lot?
Like for somebody to be able to bring people like
all the famous people that y'all talked about, the names
that y'all talked about, and help get them to another

(32:08):
level where they're able to help feed their family and
feed other families. You know what I mean, That's what
it's about. And it ain't about each other tearing each
other down. No more got to look at the bigger picture,
you know what I mean? And that's all he telling y'all,
Like when he's screaming at you, talking about you're working
for somebody, hopefully that to make you say, you know
what you're Charlott man, your pretty face like maybe between

(32:36):
that daughter our own joint, you know what I mean?
Because that's what it's about. And you think everybody ain't
gonna follow y'all, be like people listening to your mind.
If I was your boss, h no, So can I
hire you right now? If you got the right money? Yeah?
How for me to be your boss? To do? What? What?
What do you do right now? I do? Mom on

(32:58):
this y'obson? What did your boss pay you to do?
Be a radio personality? Talk on there for four hours
a day? How much do you pay for that? Do
you how much you gonna pay me? How much? Yeah?
You get that you do it for you? Yeah? Because
you please stop throwing out numbers. I don't need to
be trying to get up. I know you said, I said,

(33:18):
you said you don't care. But do you think some
people don't give you the credit you deserve for your business?
Because it looks like by perception, the people you will
win up the Jays and Kanye's and they said you
was down. I could say this in front of me.
Everyone gives me my props. So all that I see
is to respect in front of me. I don't hear
about the disrespect that's not in front of me. See,
like I said, people that talk about other people that

(33:40):
aren't there are cowards and they're insecure about the lack
of things they've done, So why would I just can't
worry about that. But when those same people get in
front of me, I'm sure every day I'm outside, every
day people give me a handshake and give me my kudos.
So I don't walk around getting denied. You may read
it in the paper, but you got to think about
the platforms that are saying the bad things. Those are

(34:00):
the corporate platforms. They're trying to take all the attention
off one thing, which is me showing everyone how to
get money direct to consumer, how to not to have
to have a middle man. Like you guys don't need
a boss because you've all been here so long. I
want to know what's big IL really gonna sign the
Rockefeller Man one of those stuff like that. Yeah, Yeah,
that's why yeah, big I was gonna Okay, yeah he was.

(34:21):
We were talking about he was always like I said,
Bigel was a Harlem dude, and he was the first
one in Harlem that was really doing it at that
level before all of us. So it was like him
cam and uh and bloodshed and um and um no
children's corns. Yeah, I was trying to think about when

(34:42):
Mace came around, Like Mace came around a little later,
but it was them and um, you know, yeah, you
think big I would have been one of them ones,
no doubt if he was coming with Rockefeller, no doubt.
I mean big El was really yeah, they're no, no,
no doubt, no doubt, There's no doubt in my mind.
Like you know, Jay Z and Bigel battle one hundred
and thirty nine Street. How did that go? It was
a good battle. Who won? Well? You know, I would

(35:07):
have to say this, they were battles again. Let me
just say you what happened battle? Yeah, so this is
what happened. I came around the block. I had Jay
with me. Ain't know Sean Arnold from Hallom. Everyone knows Sean.
Alo's a funny duty. He plays ball. He come running
up the block. What Big Girl, because we're always talking
Big Eel's on the thirty knife right now. It was
good and I was like, it's good. So Jay was
right there, like you ready, and I thought that was

(35:28):
brave Jay to be in the middle of Hallam and
walk up into a while block like one hundred and
thirty nine. This is you know, back in the day,
so you know, everybody was outside and one hundred forty
second Street is the block I'm from, but they were
still with a hundred thirty knife, you know, because everyone's related.
So it was just me and Jay really and Jay.
They went rapped for rapping, and Jay didn't get booed,

(35:49):
you know what I mean, Like people were saying it
was a close tie. So to me, if you go
on somebody else's block and it's a close tie if
you did that on his block. And so that's how
I gauged it. But in hindsight, you know, I couldn't
be objective because I had so much like at the time,
everything that Jay was talking about was about what we
were doing, you know, so with so much passion and
what he was saying it was so honest, and but

(36:11):
I knew Big Girl as well, you know, so it was.
You know, you gotta remember in the moment, you don't
know how legendary things are going to be, you know
what I mean. Like that's what I'm saying. Even like
before the music, like you you wouldn't understand that the
people that that raised me, you know what I mean,
Like I don't even understand it now. But in the moment,
all these people I made movies about him and the
documentaries about him, these are all of my friends. These

(36:33):
are the ideals I came from. So like things that
are scary that most people aren't scary to me because
the stuff that people think is scary I had to
I had to deal with, Like we had to deal
with some rough stuff, you know what I'm saying. So
you didn't have the vision back then because you said legendary,
meaning that I had the vision of not being. I
didn't know that everyone was going to be legendary around me.
You know, like Malik Yobert grew up in my building.

(36:55):
I didn't know he was going. In retrospect when you
look back like we are it's crazy. Touched me. But
also like you know, when you bring up name from
the street like rich Porter, you know, and things like
that I made movies about, like I was there. I
made a movie about a personal experience. And when you
hear about Cruis from the Lynch Mob, I was there,
you know what I mean? Like these are the guy
I knew these guys, guys right records about these guys,

(37:16):
and these are my friends. They starting the ones that
did it honorably. You're starting to come home. You know.
I was at them when we did the screening at
the club the other night. Um My man d Darren
was there and he was like original lieutenant of the
Lynch Mob. And it was funny because you know, he's
my man. When he was a lieutenant, this is me
and him were friends. We used to switch cars, jeeps,

(37:37):
chains and he did his time. He was the guy
that everybody thought was gonna fold and was was gonna cooperate,
and he didn't. So you're telling me about how Leon's
son is a rapper and that they some of what
we called them out another rap Rex called them out,
and they didn't know that he was in the background.

(37:58):
I'm like, you're the original lieutenant of the Lynch Mob
and you're at a rap battle. This is our conversation.
I don't want to talk about that, man, I want
to hear your book. It's all public domain. Man, I
do want to know about this. He's like, what I'm
saying is the conversation I want to have with him
is one that's going to make chamellions, not one that's

(38:19):
going to be more like a chatty conversation. That's not
the conversation I want to have with the lieutenant of
I don't want to talk about. If that man tells
his story that's on public record, that he get the
time for right and there's redemption in it, and it
shows that you know, he got punished for what he did. Oh,
you have to remember if he's speaking about other men
that don't make him chatty, he's talking about his own experience. Okay, See,

(38:40):
you don't know what chatty is. I'm trying to figure
that out. I'm trying to tell you. So I don't know.
It's good. I like that you're asking questions. I like
that you don't want to be a chatty patty. It's
good though unconsciously a chatty patty. And now that you
know that you are one, you don't want to be
when and you're asking I respect the question. Okay, So yeah,
if I'm talking to you about my personal experience, No,
how could I be a chatty patty. But if I'd
be like, yo, such and such, that such and such.

(39:02):
But I'm not gonna tell you who said it, that
sounds like a chatty patty. Gray and I didn't work out.
I don't have time. That's I was doing. You know,
I do things, businesses for fun, and uh it was
it didn't. I was, you know, like, I'm doing four movies,
payting for myself. I moved to La I got the Fashion,

(39:24):
I got the Rachel Roy But you know, I got
so many businesses. I just didn't have time to run
that because I'd be losing money. And it was like
a complicated situation. So I opened up a couple of
days and then I said it. It It was like, this
is gonna be too much work, and I'm moving. It's
in Brooklyn, but um my son opened up a restaurant
called Buns in the Midlands. Buns Buns. Yeah, if you're
if you're want to day, if you're not in the

(39:45):
streets anymore, you still have to play by the screen
code in this In this business, I mean, I think
the ideals that you live by is an honor code.
That code. Yeah, Like if somebody owes me some money,
am I still punching them in his mouth? Not that cold?
Because I don't have to worry about how other people
were perceiving me. So you gotta remember, in the street,

(40:05):
violence is only an ends to what means. It means
to an end. It's the last form and the only
reason why. It's for survival. So again, in the street,
if someone owes you money, then everyone's gonna owe you money.
If someone smacks you, everyone's gonna smack you. The only
reason why it's marketing, Like he's pop, here's marketing for
never owe me money, or here's marketing for you never

(40:26):
have to pay me, or you could rob me one
or the two and you don't have a choice. So
that's why I chose not to be in that business.
But my friends that play the game honorably, Yeah, I
still live by those ideals for sure. Like let me
tell you this, Like if there's a civilian in the
street and they witness a murder and then they tell
what they saw, that's not snitching. I'll be around that person.
But if someone sold drugs and they hung out with

(40:49):
friends all day long, and once they get caught, they
tell on their friends and take their friends that they
really loved and supposed to be, their brothers, that they knew,
their kids, away from their kids, their wives, all that,
just so they don't go to jail. I can't respect
them about that, And that's what I've been taught. I'm
gonna always live by those ideas. You know, whether I'm
in the street or not, whether you snitch on me

(41:11):
or snitch on somebody else, I'm not with period, And
that's how I was taught. And whoever knows that has
to respect that. You can't expect me to break these ideals,
like can I bring a guy that's played the game
right for twenty years around someone that didn't, or someone
that hangs out with someone that didn't know it? You
know what happens honestly, though, if I came around on
our circle with someone that hangs out or any kind

(41:33):
of way anywhere near that, because you don't ever know
who it is, like, it'd be times I'd be with
people and then after they'd be like, Yo's he's hot.
He Cooper, dam I didn't know, or it's been time
I had to be like Yo, that dude snitched on me,
like black face put this dude up that I had
to anyway, and I was like, yo, I can't went
to court on me. You know, I got to take
that down. He didn't know. So sometimes you don't know

(41:53):
what conscious of it. If I consciously bought certain you know,
someone that you knew was in the woman or was
a round informance around any one of our circle, how
would that be? Can do? I mean, you know, it's
it's the way you raise you know what I mean.
It's your morals and honor and morals. It's not something
you learn. It's something that you taught mostly, you know
what I mean. A lot of guys not taught to

(42:15):
have honor. They don't know what it's like when you
see a guy make an honorable at you know what
I mean, Like you watch somebody say, somebody give their
life for their family. That's honorable. It's hard to look at,
but you say, damn, that's real. You know, when you
step in front of a bullet for your son, or
a car coming and you move your son and you

(42:35):
get hit, it's like that type of feeling. But it's
you know what I mean, People don't really it's not
easy to be honest, Ya want to get tested every day.
Only a real man could be honorable, and we and
real men that an honorable take pride in it. So
I brought somebody from my path. You don't ask me
about my perspective about me. I'm gonna definitely tell you
I'm a superhero. But if you really want to know

(42:56):
about me, that's about what I did or how I
was before he could tell you. Because he knew me
when I was sixteen seventeen. You understand what I'm saying.
I'm still with my friends. I know him twenty years
and got cool with him just because he knew him
twenty years. So we twenty years. It don't matter. That's
how Harlem does. And when Cam come around, and when

(43:18):
Smoke come around, and anyone else from hallm comes around,
it's expected we all look out. That's all we do.
My blocks your block. As long as you ain't mess
up my paper, I'm gonna give you an opportunity. If
I got some room, you could get ahead and do
what you gotta do, but only for a certain circle.
And this honor thing. People don't understand it, but it's
it's like a curtain all over the world and people

(43:40):
you'll know, you'll know him like it's it's like right,
like you'll bring a certain we all know the same
people and we all related to the same people, and
that's who taught me and that's who I listened to.
So like when I was on the set, too honorable,
it's a movie. Another movie I shot O next Moe,
which I'm getting busy. I shot three movies and they
shout out to Smoke Suarez to the comedian, I'm about

(44:01):
to have a movie with him called Mixed Nuts. Bolls Um.
Remember what happened with Toughie and I had to and
I forgot what it was, but I was getting ready
to get mad, and I had the old jeans around,
so I'm like, have to get mad. Tell him what
you just told me, because I think because we had
done something to says some slick shit and I was
his boss, so I'm like telling what he just told me.
I thought he said you was a little body boss,

(44:21):
but I never said I was stuck. He's boss. I
fired him when the w he said, I'm a boss,
I gotta get When I get into a cab, I'm
the cab drove kid driver's boss. I'm paying him. Whoever
was paying you was your boss at the time. For
the amount of time he's paying you, that's your boss.
Somebody paying me right then and there. That's why it's
hard for me to do shows. And because that means
somebody paying me, I'd be like, I can't. I got
to be the promoter too. I just can't hand somebody
to be my boss. Never in life was he my

(44:43):
boss ever in life? He was never my boss. Ever.
He might have made someone like a Chatty Patty think
that I'm that he was my boss, but he never
put up a dollar in his life. He was never
a boss of mind. He just represented someone else's money.
And that's really what makes me mad is when other
people from other cultures represent other money. They act like bosses,
but they make sure we know there are boss So

(45:03):
like Joey I E or Joey Amanda whatever, whatever his
name is, he's the head of black music. Why is
a white man that had a black music and what
does that have a black man feel? And what did
he do to deserve that? What did Todd Mosco which
do to deserve the right to have a business model
with asylum that takes money off of a culture that
he doesn't that he doesn't participate it. How can the

(45:24):
guy that can't dance tell someone else what records to
selling high unless it's for his own personal agenda? And
then why would people from other cultures tell us what
to do but they can't get no money in their
own culture? Did Leo Cohen break a rock and roll
group that you know of? Why do more black people
know about that white man than white people? Because he

(45:45):
wasn't with nobody. He was a He was a thief
Death Jam from uh from Russell Simmons. That's what he did.
And then when they sold Death Jam to Universal, they
kept Leore to run then and they let they had
what's your name? Russell had nothing to do with that,
That's what he did. There's always some white man in

(46:05):
charge of black people. That's and it's always a white
man that's not even from and when I say culture,
people that are like minded, like Leor and Tom Moscow,
which they don't even live the culture. They don't listen
to rap. When Michael Jackson came on the stage, Leo
did not want to go. He didn't care. Do you
understand what I'm saying? The play Devil Advocate you got
white people that work you're playing devil? How do you

(46:28):
know who worked for mere? Chatty Patty Man, you don't know,
you don't know who works for me? How are you
telling me to work for me? So got I'm assuming
I'm not. I don't answer chatty Patties. Ask me a
man question. Do you have white people that work for you?
At times? But legit questions? When I said it, no,
you told me I did. I mean no, you don't

(46:50):
assume that because when I'm saying at times like when again,
when I'm on a movie set and I'm paying Jonah
Schwartz to be my DP and my cinematographer at that moment,
he's working for me. But when you want a salary
where you told what to do every day and all that.
But I'm saying, I'm not mad for being the boss
I under said, I don't hire people. I'm mad at
you're for having the same job for twenty five years.

(47:12):
That's what I'm mad at. Like I can't see how
people do the same every day and get told what
to do every day and I have to ask when
to go on vacation. I just can't. It doesn't Guys
like us don't do that. See in the street. You
hit it with work and you see him when you
see him at a certain period of time, it's like, however,
you get it, you get it. You out of structured schedule.
You have to be told what to do. Did you

(47:33):
do that? You Daniel went to school. I'm not saying
like and like you know and if you want no, no, no,
no no. This is America, the land of the free.
You can be an entrepreneur. Jobs are for lazy people

(47:54):
that don't want to invest in themselves. You've been here
for twenty five years trying to have it, only been
there for four But else you've been doing radio, just
you just four years? No no, I started in ninety
eight a constantly working my way up. What I don't understand.
I'm on a different planet, So you understand. It's frustrating
because you worked your way up to her position. You didn't.

(48:19):
I never had a job, But you didn't jump out
the tidy. I went and grab it. Yes, I flipped
from the womb. Yes, from the womb. I was named
there the day I was born. But you didn't have
everything that you have now from the wound. That's what
I'm saying. But the way I got it was not
by a job. I got it by putting up my
own money. And then the more it got, like like
one day I have a lot of money, and then

(48:40):
the next day I don't. You know why, because I've
put it all in the street. People don't put it
in the street. They don't put their own money up.
So you keep saying, you know you just started you didn't, No, dog,
I've always flipped it. But you know, some people make
money some people. That's not me. People make money. I legit.
The way I flipp is legit. Wait a second, Look
what I'm doing right now. So I make a movie

(49:00):
right loth side is I put my own money up.
I make the movie, and I bag it up in
ten dollars bottles and I sell it. Right That's it.
That's the magic. Now I have a movie company because
I put up the money to make it and because
I'm taking it and putting it out myself as opposed
to other people where people can just buy it right
now at lot side of the movies dot Com for

(49:21):
ten dollars, and I'm making money. So if I sell
twenty five thousand, I make two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars if I make if I sell one hundred thousand,
how much do I make ten dollars? You know, if
I do one hundred thousand at you're doing really well

(49:43):
at as far as dump over here, little tarp roll
that just got out of school can do that house.
He gonna get his money. He got to stop somewhere.
It's paypalnd dogs, let's stoptle no, stop, stop stop side
a little tarp Wait wait wait stop? The why is that?
The scenario you make is the little tyro own scenarios

(50:03):
talking about you? What about you? Me? When I got
out of when I got out of college, I was
doing mixtapes. I was a little bright. So let me
let's start it now. When you got in my own
mixtapes got you? You You don't own your own missage. You
don't own the music, right, so you're in a fake
existence though you think you own you know you're not
listen to me. How do you get money? If no listen,

(50:27):
I'm gonna explain it to you. The difference between me
and you is you have a job. You started with
the job, you still have a job, right, How do
people start without? Can I can? How about this? As man?
I appreciate that. So you have a job. Did you
have a job ten years ago? Yes? I have a

(50:50):
job now. Yes, right, ten years ago, I didn't have
a job. I started by selling records, but I made
the records and I went through the process of doing
it right, so I had ownership in the record. So
I never had a job. Ten years later, I still
don't have a job. How did you pay for studio
time if you didn't have it, if you didn't have
the job, that's what asks you happened? I stop? How

(51:15):
did you want the explanation? And you're talking? You're talking,
You're not listening. I'm listening. How did you listen and
speak at the same time. See, our perspective on things
is different. So what I'm telling you is that was
then right now? You don't need a studio to make
a record. All you need is a computer, which everyone
has pro tools. And I'm mic. I haven't made a
record in the studio in ten years. You know this,

(51:38):
so stop acting like that. Also, you don't need any
money for knowledge. The problem is y'all don't take the
time to listen. Y'all talk too much about gossip and
not about what's gonna be. It's so easy. It's an internet,
so there is no excusing not being able to sell
something on Vimeo or PayPal, which is what people do

(52:00):
and have an audience and make money off it. You
can flip. So when you make more money off like,
I'm not gonna hold any money till I have a
football team, I'm trying to flip all my money to
get to a billion. So once I get to the
football team. Or that was easy for you to say, Dog,
I just use my own money. And when I don't
have it, y'all on the radio talking about me, right
And when I do have it, you're asking me about

(52:22):
other that I did you know twenty ten years ago?
So you got it right now? No, I don't. I
got the movies on the street. I'm never gonna have
it because as soon as I get it, it goes
on the street. I don't put up money saving moneys
for suckers to me. I have so much confidence in
me that I flipped. And ten years later, and fifteen
years later and twenty years later, I'm still a boss

(52:42):
and she still got a job. Wait, maybe you might
want to break the cycle, because what's gonna happen now?
Your kid gonna go up wanting to be like who
his dad and what his dad got? What does his
dad have? Stop? What is this? What does what? Does
his dad have? A job? Everything? You're not listening to

(53:03):
your father. Listen answer you know, But can I answer
my question? You're saying what you want? You have a job,
So your son's gonna want a job. He's gonna thank
because if daddy has a job, he should have a job.
Case in point, I don't have a job. My son
Boogie doesn't have a job, right, that's all I hustle
for my kids. I don't want my kids to ever

(53:23):
want to have a job. But there's nothing with my
son wanting a job. To me, it is could you
explain this to me today? I don't want my son
to call him to me calling another man. Bosses, call
another man. Daddy's not for men to be told what
to do by other men. That's just where halls rang.
So yeah, you could go be calling somebody else boss,
a man or whatever and hustle for You can't pass
to your son, but use a little money you get

(53:45):
from what they get, because you look at the margin.
If the radios company's making a billion shouldn't you be
making some of that like somewhere near that. It's not.
It doesn't make mathematical sense. The people that are spending
your money don't wake up this early. I guarantee you
they don't go to work for I was a day
and break the impact for pennies on the dollar. Now,
what do you think about people doing things for experience,

(54:07):
like say making the transition into fashion and saying I'm
going to do an internet and get a job and
work for somebody because I don't know how to do this.
Or but yeah, your son said, I'm gonna have my
own you know, we're opening up our own restaurant, our
own story. We sell that these cookies. But I need
to go work someplace first so I can learn all
the ins and outs of how everything operates. Do you
think that's a smart thing to do. I think being

(54:29):
an interance for me, the best way to learn is
to go put your own money up and do it yourself,
to be honest. But like Kanye is a legend and
something else, So in that respect, yeah, you could do
that because you know your kids is all right, because
you were like, there're things like I'm gonna do art,
I don't collect it for immediate money. It's not going
to pay my kids bills now, but it might pay

(54:49):
my grandkids bills later. You know, there's certain things I
do like when I did no, I don't think. I
think you have to practice what you want to be.
I don't think rehearsing and haven't being told what to
do is is the best way to become a boss.
I think the best way to become a boss is
to take twenty dollars and go buy something like three
shirts and sell them for you know, and make it
into forty. And like I've taught my son Lucky, I have.

(55:13):
The reason why I have a gallery is so a
store front is so that my kid Lucky could sell something,
but not drugs. So in the summertime he sits in
front of the gallery and sells hats and goes to
the store and he learns how it feels and make
money on its own, and he knows that he could
sell something and make a margin. And then he takes
his money that he makes and he has to take
me Ava and Roquel to eat for the day. So

(55:36):
when he stays with me, I may them he can't eat.
We eat cereal and we can't eat until he sells
a certain amount of half. Agree with that, I think,
but I can't. But you can't do that and someone
else's store. No finished. And now with my daughter, same thing.
She gotta this is av she gotta sit there. But
it was quickly, but I get to see I'm sitting
out there whatever me and Rocky. It's some little pump

(55:56):
you know. Little dude come up like, I don't know
what popton is, but can I have your number? And
I get the yell at the guy. I would never
let my dude, my daughter bring home a corney as
dude like you with ashy ankle, like all that. And
then I get those experiences with her, and I get
to see how people taking her serious like she gets
to see all those things with me. I agree. I
have a gallery in China. So what did I do?
I brought boogie and I brought uh Ava to China.

(56:20):
So she's fifty fourteen years old. She already been to China,
boogie already, DJ in China. I brought Rocky, showed her
art all over in China already. When you own stuff,
you can do what you want with it. I got
a club. How many parties be through this week like
three right. I just can't been home a week every
day screenings in the club just because I own it
the club, Lenora. So I gotta be harm because I'm black,

(56:42):
black man. That's what I'm saying. Mentality some mentality wise
to stop the cycle, To stop the cycle for your kids. Yeah,
you don't want your kid to thank this hero have
a boss. Superman didn't have a boss. Batman didn't have

(57:03):
a boss. So I want my kids to look at
me like a superhero. How could a superhero be told
what to do? Are you a superhero to your kid?
Absolutely not? When you not when your boss is in
the room. Still, no, you're not. We see you. Well,
we're gonna be on a different level because see there's
a difference because I don't have to. I don't do
anything because half man if y'all don't. But I agree
with Are you gonna put the money up from Drake?

(57:24):
The battle? You're gonna put that together? If Drake will
step up, well we'll organize it. I'm sure amongst my
Harlem friends, we could get that up. The thing is,
I think I think Um Drake made a fundamental mistake
in battling. He challenged Muke see in the street, you
can't challenge somebody and take back the challenge. So now
that and this is from what I've heard, So it
ain't no disrespect to Drake, but I think he said

(57:45):
something on a motion, on a business level. His people's
told him, yo, you got too much to lose. So
what I told h Mooke was Drake's not gonna balue
you to you're richard than him, and that'll be next week.
Until Drake has something to lose. He's not gonna wouldn't
do it. He I wouldn't advise his like dog, it's
like going to a dice game where you got a
man in your pocket and it's only a one hundred

(58:05):
dollars between everybody, you know. That's how I was. They're
looking at it like you ain't got nothing. He wants.
He wants to do it, but I think he's being
advised ont too. But whenever he's ready, Like just how
I like the way Floyd did it with Paccal. He
lay by talking, then he actually made sure that it
was done correctly by having a direct conversation, no chatty
patty ones with Paccal and didn't happen and the timing
is right. So when it's time for full like I would,

(58:28):
I almost would prefer them to battle when he has
more to lose because because right now, if I'm Drake,
went the way I do. When I challenge somebody, I
think I put my eyeballs in their eyeballs, you know,
and their skull. So if I'm Drake, I'm like, I'm
not battering Murder. Nobody really knows him but people that battle.
And if he wins, now i'm he's the underdoor. You

(58:49):
never fight the underdoor because you have nothing. If he wins,
he's Drake. If he loses, now he's the guy that
beat Drake. But if Muke is bigger than Drake and
they both are making money doing other things, that's a
bad So I don't anticipate you. You could talk about
it all day, but as a strategic thing. If I
was in his camp, I wouldn't invalue. I would say, yo,
stop talking when you drunk and let's make money. You

(59:11):
know what I'm saying, And I'm sure that I'm sure
someone older than him said that based on his actions.
But when he's ready, as gentleman, I think we should
have a battle, and I think it would be just
as big as Poccala mine and um and and Floyd.
But you have to be Pacca before you fight Floyd.
And technically Floyd was a little chatty patty because he
brought up the fact that I'm not I'm Floyd and

(59:35):
what I do? Okay, stop, you have more money, Floyd,
don't matter. This lot of argument is it's a perspective.
That's what people would love. What I'm saying is Floyd.
No one listens to Floyd till he was rich. Floyd
wasn't Floyd to Floyd beat Um, the other Spanish dude, Um,
what's his name? That that? What's his name? Chavez? Right? No, No, no,

(59:58):
Delloyd until Floyd be because I you know, I used
to I was the first person to put the sponsor Floyd.
I always knew he was gonna be great, so I
used to put rockwear on him a long time ago.
He used to come to my house and all these
kind of things that we would talk. But no one
would pay attention to Floyd untill Floyd could had had
something to give them. So you're not Floyd until you
got money like Floyd or the money a champ had,

(01:00:19):
you're gonna have money like Floyd, but pokey ow, you're
not pokey OL. When I say until your pokey out,
Floyd wasn't listening until pokey ol, until Poco beat all
these people, then he became pokey OL. So you're starting
as a person that's from the street. You don't have
as much money as someone that's successful yet. But they're
not gonna fight you till you have as much or

(01:00:39):
more than they do. They're not gonna fight you until
they have something to gain. It's a one sided situation
in this fight. Right now to him, he's saying he
has an art award. He's like all day he battles me,
like when we on the set, like I'll keep him,
I don't want to come because he always wants to
figure it out and you know that's what we do.
And right now for the sport, he's like, I could

(01:01:00):
I need to show you know, he challenged him, but
Drake's not in it like that, you know, for the
sport he wants to do with Drake's he's making a
lot of money doing shows. If you kill him, he's
not gonna make no more money doing chills. You could
his career up like that, So he's knocked off his
career up unless it's way you killing you killing him

(01:01:22):
on the point, I was making those that I understand.
But that's like if I he coming into what I
do right so and what I do best, I'm the
best in what I do talk skills. So if he
coming in, I don't care what kind of money you got,
but you don't. But what does he care him? But
he should have said if you let me pretend you

(01:01:44):
him for a second. But what's he saying, be Drake
and I'm your man. I can't be Drake. So you
can't even think how he's thinking right now. He's not
thinking like you. He's thinking like Drake, So you mad
at him for thinking not thinking like you. Drake doesn't
have a mustache you do because he didn't like you
don't know if you if you deserve. But but thedn't
after that, Ja, we was in Toronto when he said

(01:02:07):
that we I was in Toronto, you know what I'm saying.
So when he's I wasn't. I wasn't at the actual
president because I went to the game and all that.
But the next day at the joint, it was it
was a battle at the joint, like, and I was there,
he was there, and they came to me like, yo, listen,
if we could get Drake to do one round right now,

(01:02:28):
would you now? This is what? No, And I'm just
like free, that's the first thing. I'm like, yo, free,
I'm like, let me speak to him. You know what
I'm saying. So I go speak to him and he,
you know, he's like, yo, no, the picture that's the
when it first stopped pictures, when it first started. This
just happened like week two weeks ago, you know what

(01:02:50):
I'm saying. And he like, yo, um, this is where
almost what the battle almost happening. He just like, yo, um,
I'm like, you got rhymes, don't you? He had balls
waiting for you said there. I'm like, I'm like, but
it's cool though. I'm like, you know what I'm saying,
you got you got, you got rhyms. I'm like, yo,
I ain't really got no rhyms right now for you, don't?
He like, you know, but you know, he started going

(01:03:11):
to like, you know, I just figured, like what do
we even here on this earth for if we can't
you know, we can't. Yeah, So I'm like, you know
what give me an hour. Cool, give me an hour.
I'm gonna go come up with trust me, give me
an hour. Now, I mind you. I was already drinking four.
I was there for five hours. They seen me for
five hours already. So then after the hour I came,

(01:03:33):
they came back. I'm like, yo, tell him it's on, Like,
let's do it. So we was. It was. It looked
to all possibilities about to happen like right now in
their spurred a moment, and then five minutes later they
was like yo. His management was like, no, he can't
do it. Yeah, of course, all dude can't do that.
You can't ask somebody for a fair one and back up,

(01:03:54):
you can't do that. But again, get from two different places.
But I just just reminds me. This reminds me. I
could tell you about a parallel example of how I
could see the perspective. So when Naas had the ether
rout and I don't know what happened, but I was
at um Arizona shooting a rock wear campaign and when
I landed, I heard super ugly when I landed it

(01:04:17):
and I was sick, and I was like, what the
fuck happened? Because you didn't advise that that I did
not say that was all right? So oh me and
IRV Gotti or Gotti, So I called her. I'm like, Arth,
why the did you? You know? We told him, you know,
all this kind of stuff that we don't do, And
I wish I could have rewinded it to like why

(01:04:37):
y'all didn't call me so I could have told you
not to do that? You understand what I'm saying. So
in the moment, an artist who's inspired is gonna he's
gonna try to fight. But he must have had somebody
there that Jay didn't have that day, because that was
the only elbow we really took. That was the beginning
of the end, really, you know, because we were unstoppable
before that. But you may stop. But someone was there

(01:04:59):
to tell like, you bugging, it's ruining you today. You drinking?
You know. I mean, someone older or smarter than him
probably gave him the right advice, because I wouldn't advise it.
Would you have advised Jay to reply to Ether at
all or just leave it at takeover in e um
she At the time, I felt like we were winning,
you know, because we had done to Michael Jackson thing

(01:05:20):
and we had called him out, so he to me
he was talking here, say like our thing when I
battled Michael, I'm with I like to tell the truth.
I don't like to say who says the funniest punch lines.
The bottom line is we professional, so let's just say
true things. So I thought like the stuff that Nah
said was dope, but I think like he emotionally got
a jay because he was inviting him to his It

(01:05:40):
was a little chatty patty. So I was like, yo,
you just got caught up in gossip. You don't have
to answer gossip. If he says something real like he
dame dummy Dan. I thought that was dope because he
said my name. But everyone knows I'm not dumb. That's obvious.
So I'm not going to reply to them, you know
what I mean. I'm gonna be happy he said it,
So I thought like, you should let it rock out.
That's why. That's why he did it when I wasn't around,
you know what I mean. So I thought we had

(01:06:02):
played it fair, and I don't care if other people
think someone wins. All I care is if I think
I won. You know, I did it right and played
the game, So I didn't think it was necessary, you
know what I mean, But if he was going to
do it wouldn't have been like I wouldn't have. So
that's why we lost. You see, when you star more Gossip,
you end up doing things that aren't honorable when you
end up apologizing on the radio the next day. But www,

(01:06:25):
low side of the movie, don't forget make sure y'all
pick that up. You know what I mean. We're losing
focus with all this other bubble gump shit. But you
know that's why we're here. We want to promote it
and the movie one more time. I mean, the movie
is you know, it's basically right now. We still in
progress and it's a lot going on in the movie,
but it's you know, it's about my man murder move.

(01:06:47):
He's from Harlem. He catch your body, you know what
I mean, police looking for him. He can't hustle and
hallom no more. So you have to come down to
the Lower east Side. Come down the Lower east Side.
You got a lot of guys, you know, everywhere you
got guys. G It really is though, like so the

(01:07:09):
East Side because they don't want to see him down there,
and you have to fight to get you know, to
get his proper perspective on the lower east side and
his position, so everybody is like, you know, that's like
I come to the block I'm not from, you know
what I mean, and anybody like, yo, we don't want
this kid down here. We're gonna make sure we don't
do whatever we got to do with get him out
of here. And then the game of hustling. You know

(01:07:30):
what that means. They're gonna try to shoot you, rob you,
kill you. You know, it's just what it was. So
you know, moo, he stood tall in the joint like
a Harlem dude, you know, like a Brooklyn dude, or
like a Queen's dude. And that's another thing. All that
dividing up the burrows and all that's over with, And
ain't like my man said a long time ago, and
ain't where you're from. It's where you're at, you know

(01:07:51):
what I mean. I mean, you know that long time ago.
The movie come out moves outments well the way I'm
putting it out to the rest of the worlds and segments,
but you could buy it in its entirety in segments
right now. So I wanted to have that feeling. But
then I'm gonna put it out in another variation in
the whole movie theatrically. So basically my thing is to

(01:08:11):
have a direct to consumer relationship, you know, cut the
middleman on completely and have at least have my money
made back before I put it out the regular way,
before I start, you know, giving up my margin for traffic.
But I will put it out. It will be on iTunes,
it will be in theaters, will be on demand, it
will do all that other stuff. But first the people
that I know direct can get it directly from me.
At low side is the movie dot com Hello Hello, Hello,

(01:08:43):
I s A I d A S Yeah, yeah, the
movie dot Com. When you're writing a book, I also
have a book. You know, I have a book called
Culture Vultures. It's called Culture Vultures. I did I have?
You've been looking at the hip hop motivations that I do.
Absolutely so, me and um and Yana did a book
and I've it's already written. He wrote it. We're done
with it, and I'm also giving it out in a

(01:09:04):
different ways. So it's gonna be auditory experience as well.
So right now you can order it from Poppington Group
dot com, which is like my Netflix, and you can
order the first chapter of me saying it um um,
you know, like a record, and then you'll get the
first five chapters as a record, and you also get
it in the visual like a movie. And you're also
gonna get it as a book. But you can get

(01:09:24):
that right now. Pre order for five hours at Poppington Group.
Right movie and and and then I'm gonna hire Envy.
I'm gonna hire you. Hold on. There's no way. They
wanted to know how much respect you have for him?
Would you would you let him get the would you
let him get the Jordans? Would you let him get
the Jordans? Or you want to know what happened with Yeah,

(01:09:48):
your man's out there. He got to Jordans and he
was like I got only tens and Envy got him,
So maybe don't want him, you can have him. I
was like, oh, that's my man. I know em people
paying me the proper spect. I don't know. Maybe you
would even buy him. I'm not yet, not yet yet,
but if I I'd rather be honestly, I wouldn't want

(01:10:11):
to be your boss. I'd rather be your partner. And
I would rather like plus, do a book, do a movie,
do a doc. You know I would throw down. If
you want on a radio show to syndicate that has
a new name, why don't we just you know, do
a clues boss though, right? I mean, like I said,
used to be PHO, used to be signed to UH

(01:10:32):
to UH Rockefeller. But he had his own career as
a DJ, so I wasn't his boss for DJ and
but I did cut the check and as representing Rockefeller
for the records that we made. You know, you can
do for another DJ clues like you went platinum like
I do. I can make anybody famous. That's easy. It's easy,
you know, because I only deal with honest people that do.

(01:10:52):
You know, I just I just know authenticness and people
buy that and I give it a platform, you know
what I mean? But like I was saying, if y'all
want to do something other than what's the name of
what you own my show? Breakfast club? You don't own
a breakfast club, we don't. There's no name, all right,
so you own the no name? Can we have a
name and we can do something together? And I'm down.

(01:11:13):
I'll do a movie with y'all. I'll do something with you,
you know. And I was just thinking, like revolt if
puff owns Revolt. He's from home and that's my channel. Okay,
maybe I'm being chatty, but I just saw the ask
me a question. Yeah, you said that. Did he wouldn't
clear to call him? Did he whatever? Whatever? You wouldn't

(01:11:33):
clear big to be in the Brooklyn's Final Puff. Yeah,
he wouldn't clear it. So why could you do business
with him? Because I don't say do business. I said,
I want to use this network. That's okay, Okay, you
gotta listen, Chatty Patty w w W low side of
the movie. It's the longest interview we've ever done on
But I questions, but hopefully you don't even feel the time.

(01:11:59):
I was trying too, But you know you were asking
about you like such a such, such a such such
such what I'm talking about with him? See now he
got y'all talking about doing your own things. That's what
it's about. Though you feel me empowering each other even
through controversial conversation, But it's not. It's just a difference
of perspective, That's what I'm saying exactly. Men can have conversations.
You gotta fight over that, you know what I mean.

(01:12:19):
Like I didn't disrespect by once it was like, oh,
you're stupid. I was like, but I might have said it,
So I was like, my bad. And if I did,
you know, that's not what I do. But and you
offer cookies, I get his cookies. Come. Yeah, it's a
little early for cookies, but I've been munching on him
joint crazy boy. And and you know also you know

(01:12:40):
and and and the respect and the respect that and
the respect that I'm always half for y'all is that
you've been in the game so long. So there's always
a brother ship we're gonna have just because I knew
you twenty years ago, regardless of whether we was on
the same team, were on the same team, because we
in hip hop, and my thing is love. It's not
about knocking mother damn. It's about helping him get up.
So I'm gonna tell your false which usually makes people mad.

(01:13:01):
But then I'm gonna say but I'm not only gonna
tell you, but I'm gonna help you get without. Like
you can have this life and it's cool, but let's
do something different. Are you allowed to do other things? Absolutely?
All right? So but we are though it's not like
we limited. I'm saying what I'm saying is this, I'm
not gonna just talk and I'm saying no, I'll do
something with you. What you want to do. You want
to work with me, and you're scared. Let's do a
deal right now, Let's do it. I'm I don't know

(01:13:24):
that I feel like anything. We do, want what you
want to do. Let's do you want to do, but
let's do it. When the hell do you call me that?
If I can't do that because that's a verbal contract,

(01:13:45):
you're not holding me to that. I don't know. Let's
talk about it. His head somewhere. I don't know.

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