INTERVIEW: Bill Burr On Comedy Beginnings, White Privilege, Marrying A Black Woman, Chappelle's Show + More

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Speaker 3 (01:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Building, fucking legend man Bill Burr.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Well, I'm feeling.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
I'm all right, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
When you hear the word legend and you just feel old,
do you feel like I'm accomplished?

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Ah, I don't know what I feel. I never feel
like I you know this, you know this businesses you
feel like you know any moment, like whatever you got
is going to go away. So I just I don't
pay attention to that stuff. I obviously like it. No,
legend doesn't make me feel old, makes me feel good.
But when somebody's like, ah, man, I grew up on
your comedy. I started listening to you when I was eight,

(01:44):
I'm like going, oh my god, you're seeing there like
you know, divorced, You're like, God, how old are myself?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:51):
I would say that's the type of stuff makes me
feel old.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I want to I want to go back a little bit,
if you don't mind, I want to know. You know
what got Bill Burn into comedy.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
From attic childhood happy? He gets into this stuff just
then the delusions of fame get into your head, and
then you somehow get into it. Uh No, I mean
I definitely liked it when I was growing up, but
I got into it by chance where you know, I'm

(02:21):
old man. So like I was watching it in the
seventies and eighties, but like show business was like it
was a million miles away. It was impossible. It was
not something that you could do, like, you know, just
take out a camera and start filming yourself. So I
grew up Massachusetts suburbs, so I thought, like, you know,

(02:41):
you had to be in Hollywood to get into it.
Like I had no idea. There was this huge stand
up scene in in uh Massachusetts. So I was working
in a warehouse and I was working with this guy
and he was into stand up the way I was,
and he was funny as hell. And one night we
were we used to uh used to go over his
house have a couple of beers before we went out,
you know, save some money, and he was we were
watching stand up, but he was going, Bill, what funny

(03:02):
than these guys like and you know, he goes one
one night, I'm gonna take a shot at Jack Daniels
and go up on stage. And that's when it stopped
being on TV and it was next to me, and
I started thinking like, oh, wait a minute, he can
try it. I can try it. And still took me
another five years to figure it out. I started, I
started kind of late. Did you ever feel like you
had to wear a dress the sucker cock?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Did you know? In Hollywood? Jesus Christ.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
No, And that whole theory is ridiculous. That's what's going
on out there, that there's more pedophiles in Hollywood than
there are in plumbing. It's like it's.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
A problem plumbing, I don't know, just like regular jobs, directing,
like directing, like every pedophile in jail.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Like created uh you know, freaking uh.

Speaker 7 (03:48):
You know, it's like they're like, that's what's going on.
What's funny is what's going on in Hollywood is going
on in most businesses, where it's like there's a lot
of people working over time, not getting paid, not getting
credit and getting pushed down and people at the top
taking more and more. But the problem with Hollywood is

(04:09):
is those idiots stay in Hollywood and they look at
most of the country like flyover states, and then they
go on these stupid.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
You know, awards shows and they talk down to them,
and then that makes them, hate them, and then they
love to see somebody going down. The whole thing is
it's like traveling is depressing, yeah, because what you find
is everybody really is the same, like all of this stuff,
like you know, all these people are evildoers and they're
this and that, and you go over there and it's
just everybody's the same.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Everybody you know wants to have money, to have a sandwich,
you want to find love, you want to be feel safe.
That's everybody is like that. But then they just they
just you know, the sociopaths get the dumb people wound up.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
I feel like New York and La have no idea
what the rest of the country is actually Like if
you grew up in New York, you grew up in LA,
you don't know what the real like.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
New Yorkers are some of the worst traveled peoples you're
ever gonna meet. They're hilarious everywhere they go. They would
go to Guam and be like, oh, I go to Guam.
I try to get a bacon, egg and cheese, and
the ladies looking at me like, what are you talking about?
This place sucks? Where are the skyscrapers? Like that's what
cracks about New York is like what It's like the

(05:21):
point of traveling is to get something different. Like they
go to La and they try to get a bacon,
egg and cheese. It's like, get a taco? What are
you doing when in Rome?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Right?

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah, I wouldn't come here and try to get a burrito.
I've seen Mexican foods here. I just start laughing. It's like, no,
I'm not doing that close music.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Got a taco bell, That's that's usually what.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I love that you said that because Mexicans all think
that white people think taco bell is authentic Mexican food.
It's like, We're not that that. Yeah, I know Olive
Garden is not a town. I understand that they have
poured it out.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
What did Bilberg want to be before he became a comedian?
You just always wanted to do comedy.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
I was just failing and everything I did horrible in school.
I did good in school until it mattered. I was weird.
I did really good right up till eighth grade, and
then once college started paying attention. I don't know, I
just that's you know, I'm not going to get into it,
but that's when I'll like the ass hit the fan
with a lot of stuff. So then, yeah, I don't

(06:21):
know what I tried construction. I wasn't good at that landscaping.
I worked in warehouses. I knew I didn't want a boss,
and I also knew that I didn't want to go
into the same building for more than a year, because
a few times I had jobs for over a year,
and there was just something so depressing because you were
working for somebody else's dream, and it was like a
year earlier, I was standing right here. I have not

(06:43):
moved anywhere. I'm another year older. So yeah, and you know,
I mean depressed. Now, I was been here for fifteen years.
If I wasn't sitting in a throne, I was unloading
trust this guy's drinking from a challice, Like I feel
good about this, I scented candle. No, I wasn't like

(07:06):
unloading trucks and getting hammered and driving drunk stuff you
did in the eighties. I mean that was basically what
it was. So and I was going part time to
college because I'd have money to go to college, so
I was paying my own way through it, and I
had already stayed back in first grade. So I just
felt like hopelessly behind until I started hanging out, you know,
with people that were into comedy, and then somehow I

(07:27):
found it and uh yeah, then I remember doing that,
and then that was just like, all right, this is
what this is what I'm supposed to do, because everything
else I was doing I just never felt I always
never felt like this is not it. I don't feel
like these people aren't the same kind of weird that
I am.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
You know, why do you think you're weird? Though?

Speaker 5 (07:47):
I mean, like, well, I think we're all like messed
up a little bit. Why don't think I'm weird? I
don't know if I if I knew why I was weird,
I wouldn't be weird.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
I think I think you got a lot of common sense.
I think I'm like, this guy is just human being.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well, I've learned from a lot of failures. Your own
are others, oh, my own okay, okay, oh and also others.
Well that you know, I had a great education when
I got in to stand up. The Big eighties. I
don't know how old you guys are, but the Big
eighty Okay, so the Big eighties boom where stand up
comedy clubs exploded and all that and then it just

(08:23):
got to the point you could just put like a
microphone anywhere and people would show up for comedy. So
the quality of it went down, and everybody was doing well.
A lot of people were doing blow getting paid in
cash and and blow and all of that type of stuff.
And then it all came crashing down, and then the
irs showed up and everything, and then I then I started,
like I walked in like you know, the end of

(08:44):
the party. Balloons were on the ground, confetti, everybody passed out,
and I saw these headliners that were getting their wages
garnished and they had to talk to the irs to
go do some you know, funny bone in another state
and everything. So my generation kind of learned like, all right, man,
you can party this away in about seven eight crucial years,

(09:05):
So you know, I learned from that. And then, you know,
any young comics watching this, your twenties and thirties are
difficult because you're struggling. And then also you do that
comparison thing like, well, you started the same time I did,
and you're here and I'm here, so I must be
doing something wrong. And then I start hating you for
some stupid reason. And then like that takes up a

(09:25):
lot of energy, and then one day you just basically
figured out like, all right, I'm making the decisions here.
I you know, I'm doing well and not doing well
by what I'm thinking rather than this this other stuff.
Because you ever want to quit once, No, one time
I thought I wasn't gonna make it. It was the only
time I ever thought it. When was this you bombed? No, No,
I happen all the time. It's just part of this stuff.

(09:50):
I was doing the I'm not gonna say where it
was because it's a sad story. We're gonna bump you out. Okay.
So I was doing this this this club that I've
just been going to for year, years and years and
years and years and years. Every other year I would
go there New Hour, going to get them, you know,
you know, I'm in with the Warning radio guys. And
the same thirty people were showing up. So it was
after the late show and I was sitting there, you know,

(10:13):
wreaking a smoke because you could smoke. All three shows.
Smelt like I thought a fire. My eyes were all burning,
and I was just looking at the wait staff and
they were lifers. They had been there before and they
were older, a little bit heavier, and they were counting
up their money and they were smoking their cigarettes, and
the same amount of people had showed up. And that
was the first time I like this thought went in

(10:34):
my head, like of like, wait a minute, am I
the guy who doesn't make it?

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (10:38):
My god? The panic of that. I went back to
the comedy condo and I was just laying in bed
trying to turn it around, and my brain was just no, oh,
ye're the guy's not going to make it. So that
was Yeah. Then I got back to New York and
it was better, you know, I came you know, after
the gig, I came back and then just like the energy,

(10:58):
I had a couple of good sets, you know, Sunday
night at the Boston Comedy Club was a huge was
a huge turning point for me in my career, probably
how I ended up here right now, and that that
would that would get me to think positive.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
And you said you never bombed, right and.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
The time you have, But I don't think you bombed though.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
I think that people don't know if they should laugh
at what you're saying, you know what I.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Mean, maybe now, but no, no, I remember bombing so
bad one time. This was comedy club called Mixed Nuts
that's now called the Comedy Union. That was the black club, right.
So I went down there and uh, it's funny. I
started doing those rooms because I used to listen to
Richard Pryor, so like his albums were so live that
you could like picture the crowd. So I had this

(11:48):
idea of what a crowd looked like.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
It was weird.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
I'm white as hell on that like that was my
idea of what a crowd was. So I, you know,
ended up doing those rooms along with the white rooms. Right.
So I was on stage bombings so bad like like
this right here, silence, and I just remembering this woman's
voice in the back. She just goes. I laughed yet
ten minutes and then that was the biggest laugh of

(12:13):
the said. Everybody laughed, and then they just started talking
amongst themselves. And I did not I did know how
to turn it around.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
It was and.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
There's something It's bad enough bombing in front of your
own people, but bombing in front of another race of people,
knowing that you're taking down a bunch of other white
comics with you, like because everybody, it's just like I
don't want you. It's not just me. Yeah, there are

(12:41):
others out there. They're funny. Yeah, it was bad. You
liked Richard Pryor what was your favorite? Hm? Maybe it
was it something I said, the one. I can't say
all of them. You're gonna get me in trouble half time.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
That was the question.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
I think I'm tucking. I got a good night's sleep.
I like that, or was crazy? I will say I
bought I bought his albums because he just looked funny.
That was the first one I bought that ed was
crazy when when he was pointing like that, just he
just looked funny. And that's how I bought the first
Eddie Murphy. Up. I bought the first Eddie Murphy album

(13:20):
because I was like, well, he's also black, he must
be funny. And that was the first one. We had
the rose in his ear.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
He got that work.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
So you did represent for all white comics because you
see one funny black comedy.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, that's how it was. That's how it works. And
so it's almost like I found a genre of music,
so I would listen to it. I listened to all
of his stuff, and I just, uh, there was something
about the way he did it, which I didn't understand
it as a kid, but the way he did, the
way he trashed white people, he got you to listen
to him and laugh at yourself. Where I think when

(13:51):
by the time def jam came around, crack eighties and
all of that, like where black comedy was, it was like,
all right, enough for this like sort of pussy footing around,
you know, So then it was more like that was
like a different thing. But like what I loved about
Richard was like you like rooted for him, you felt
like you knew him. It was really insane. I like,

(14:13):
and I think he's the greatest of all time. And
I think it's even.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Close during that time, during that era wind it seems
like that crack time where deaf comedy jam and the
comedy shows. Was it hard for you to book in
those black rooms? Was it was like here it comes
to white comedian again.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
No, that was the irony. It was hard for them
and you you, yeah, you had to like vouch for
him and everything, and the club owners right in front
of Yeah, you don't do that deaf jam stuff, do you.
You're not like m F and m FIN talking about
you know, I don't know what I can say on
the show. Yeah, you're not you're not, you're Oh wait,

(14:46):
you said sucking dick earlier.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Second.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah, So they would literally say that, and that was embarrassing.
You'd be standing there going like so, but what they're
they you'd come on, They didn't is they would just say,
I go up, do you think? And they I felt
like guys, Like all of those guys I worked for
Talent Drew Fraser, Rob Stapleton, Er Kelly Capone, all the

(15:17):
New York kings. I used to do all of those
rooms and uh, oh god, those are all the memories
of that one. I remember Gerald Kelly had a room.
Oh god, it was a brutal room. It was somewhere
in like Newark and like the two thousands, and I
remember that. I remember this comedian, was it ros g

(15:38):
or something, Yeah, Rest her soul. She was on stage
and she's super loud, and she was super loud, and
they weren't laughing at anything, and she ended us safe.
She's like, god damn, She's like, I don't know who's
coming up next, but he better be funny because you
motherfuckers ain't laughing. It's ship. And then she brought me.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Up Gentleman Milburgh didn't get a laugh at least.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
No, oh, we know it's weird. I went up, had
an okay set and I felt like I bombed in anything.
And randomly Chris Weber was there and he came up,
but he told me I was funny, and it was
little things like that. I'm like, well, this guy's famous,
this guy's successful. He thinks I'm funny, so I think
I'll be all right.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
Do you change your thing when you're doing black rooms
versus white rooms?

Speaker 5 (16:21):
I try not to. Early on I did. I'd be
on stage all of a sudden, I hear myself tagging
all my jokes with you know what I'm saying, and
I'm being like, why am I doing that? Why am
I doing that? Stop?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Stop doing that?

Speaker 5 (16:35):
But you just would, and then it was an easy way.
It's an easy way to get through those rooms. You
could just be like, I'm the white guy and I'm scared,
and that's sort of how you do it initially, just
to get your feet wet in those rooms. And then
basically then it becomes like, now can I actually go
up here and talk about what I want to talk about?
Wear a Bruin's T shirt, you know, hockey T shirt.
And I started experimenting with that, and I remember Patrice

(16:59):
giving me rest is soul, Yeah, going like Bill's trying
to do his white shit in these black rooms. Sometimes
it worked. Sometimes it all dependent on the crowd. It
all dependent on the crowd. But I felt like it's
a weird thing where I feel like it's harder to
be a black comic in a black room than it
is to be a black comic in a white room,

(17:19):
and vice versa, because you can just play fish out
of water, like, oh wow, this is all different, gee, Louise,
you know, I'm all nervous up here and just literally
play into the stereotype. That's the easy laugh hundred pcent
not but not early on, I forgive any of it
because you're just trying to survive, because it's like, you know,
that's like not something like white people don't experience being

(17:41):
the only you a lot. You know, we just sort
of walk in, oh more white shit, you know, and
you just live that. So the first experience, and that's funny.
When I first started doing those rooms, I didn't see
black people as individuals. I just saw black people, and
as I kept doing them, and doing them. I started
to see individuals, Oh, this guy's like my buddy Mitch,

(18:02):
this guy's like you know. And I started to see, Oh,
this guy's a good guy. This guy's a piece of shit,
and this guy steals jokes, this guy's you know, and
it's like, oh, this is just like white people.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I was gonna ask, you know, back in the day,
what you name some of those comedians from Talent to Compone.
It seems like comedy had a brotherhood, like you'll f
with each other. Now it doesn't seem like that, especially
with Kat William throwing missiles at everybody. Was it a
brotherhood back then? Or was it always competition in missions?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Now?

Speaker 5 (18:29):
It always was. It's just you couldn't you couldn't air
your grievances on social media and that type of stuff.
Like No, there still is like a there still is
like a comrade, especially the people that you like you
start out with when you go up and you're doing
like open mics and stuff. It's just one impossible situation
after another, and you just get thrown into these things

(18:51):
and you sort of bond with each other through just
you know, I mean, I did gigs like we don't
have a microphone. Is that going to be a pro problem.
We're just gonna have you stand here in this hall.
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
No, it was just like.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Some of the stuff, some of the places, and then
you would just what kept you going was your friend
in the crowd laughing at you, watching you trying to
figure this situation out. So there's definitely that. But you know,
people focus on the negative or whatever. So I mean,
generally speaking, we get along somewhat difference than other other stuff.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Now when you see the black comedians going back and
forth with each other, what do you think about that?
Do you even look at it in black commedians?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
You just look at his comedians?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
No comedians, because white comedians are doing it too.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Really, yeah, what's what's what's your colubsation?

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Oh, you know, I don't know because I'm old, but
like there's definitely you know, I'm an old school guy
where I look at all that stuff like that's locker
room stuff. And if you have a problem with somebody,
you should go to them and say it. That's how
I came up. And then also like I, uh, you know,
this is difficult. I don't need to make it any
more difficult. There's people I like people. Maybe I don't

(20:05):
like but I don't need to walk around like what
good does that do me? To do? That's but that's me,
so you know other people do it differently.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
Have you ever heard that somebody didn't like you or
a reason, any particular reason.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
People thought I was a dick. They thought I was
like aloof because I when I first started, they thought
I was like, uh, you know, if you're quiet and
you're actually doing well, people get in their head and
they thought, oh, he's not talking to me because he
doesn't like me, and it wasn't. I was like a mess.
I was questioning everything that I had done in the
previous five minutes. But some people took it like he's
not talking to me because he doesn't think I'm funny.

(20:41):
So I definitely had a few of those. And I
was also an angry guy, so I probably yeah, oh Jesus, uh,
just stuff. I don't want to get into stuff that
makes you be a comedian, the usual I have. I
have you want to talk about hackey. I have all

(21:02):
of the hacky background you need to get into this business.
So you know, I could have had a much simpler life.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
I think a lot of us. I mean, I deal with,
you know, anxiety on a high level, you know. I
mean I think a lot of people do, but I
think most people who have a high level of self
awareness really do because we're just aware that we're dealing
with something.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
That we're willing to acknowledge and other people aren't.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean, every time I think I'm getting sane,
I don't know, something else happens, and like, you know,
like having kids and stuff. Really, you know, it really
holds a mirror. My daughter said the cutest thing to
me the other day. She goes, Dad, can you stop
being mad now? And I just burst it out, laughing,

(21:49):
and I was like, yeah, all right, all right, that's good.
But the way I came, I would never say that
to my dad. So I do feel like I've done.
What I do like about my kids is that they're
not afraid of me at all. They took me like
a freaking bouncy house. But uh so, yeah, I've tried to.
I tried to, you know, I've tried to undo some things.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah, they're not afraid of you because you're probably raising
them with love, or at least my dad he.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Raised me with fear.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
I believe he was afraid that I would make the
samest things he made.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Oh, everyone was afraid of that. You were afraid of
other people's dads when I was growing up because they
could hit you.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, like, and they had big cars and they were
always mad, and they were coming home and you just
saw like, you know, like their wife scampering back into
the house, you know, as they were pulling into the driveway. Yeah,
the men were scary when I was growing up. So
I probably overcorrected or whatever, but I'd rather have him
coming up this way. Yeah, my kids allowed you know,

(22:45):
we were not loud, Like we were loud when mom
was home. When dad was home, everybody just shut the
hell up. And when he left, it was like like
a stack of bricks off your chair.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Wait until your dad got home. Oh my god, those
I mean it was funny.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Was he actually was big? SOFTI was. Also, it turns
out that way my mother was the one that beat us.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, we deserved.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
You said earlier, you always feel like things would be
taken away from you, Like that's from childhood or that
cancel coach, Like, what do.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
You mean when you say that, No, this is before
cancel culture, well, because you I would You would see
guys like idiots would get a show on the air
and then immediately go buy a big house in a car.
But back in the day, they would say you gotta
wait till the third season, so you know that it's rolling,
and you would watch guys blow all their money. I
watched people get deals up at Montreal and they put
it all in the dot com stock market. I knew

(23:39):
that was I stayed away from that ship. When I
was at the comic strip and comedians stopped talking about
comedy and they were talking about stocks, going like, you know,
it's gonna split again, it's exacinitely gonna split again. I'm like,
you are a dummy. You're a dummy. I'm a dummy.
We should not be talking about this shit. So I
didn't put it. But I saw guys lose all their
money that way. There was guys I used to be,

(24:01):
you know, looking up like, oh my god, how do
you get to that level? And then their stuff starts
to go like that, like this this business is it's
not for the for the week, and you got to
save your money. I don't know, I'm trying to come
with something positive here, it's a fun job. Though it's
a fun job.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
This is a call back.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
And when you saw those white comics on that level,
did you say to yourself, he sucked the dick to
get there or did he wear a dress to get there?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Like? Where does that?

Speaker 5 (24:26):
What is that? What is that theory that stigma come from?
Because I'm asking you you brought that up twice.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, because that's the that's the that's the stigma. Like
you know, the stigma is for black commas. You gotta
wear a dress to get to a certain level. You know,
you did that.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Ship According to Kat Williams about Twell.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Milton Burrow, Milton Burrow made a whole career like be
like that comes from Vaden Williams. Yeah, he played Missus Doubtfire,
Tom Hanks was on Buzz and Buddies. I mean it
was just like it was kind of the you know,
we don't have a good idea. Yeah, let's put a
guy in a dress. That's kind of what it was.

(25:04):
But I understand, you know, that's just one of those
white things where I don't have to look at it like, oh,
they're doing this because they're trying to belittle me, because
they don't see me as human. I don't have to
deal with all the stuff you guys got to deal with, So, like,
I don't know if it it's how much of that's true,
how much of it's paranoia? I mean, I can't speak
on that. I have no idea, but like.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know, I don't you never wore dress?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, and that whole sucking a dick thing, Like it's
like you just sort of know you did.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Did you never wear a dress? He said no, not
that or that whole sucking addiction.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
It's more like, you create a show, you go in,
you pitch it to these people, they somehow take control
of it. You lose to created by credit. They make
all the money you don't. That's that's the way it
usually works. It's not it's not like you want a
TV show, huh, all right, problem.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
And you better do it good because I got another
forty guys.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Waiting to suck. It's like, that's just I think a
lot of people want it to be that way because
it just makes them feel better about their lives or
where the fuck they're at. But it's just like, yeah,
like most of Hollywood is overworked, underpaid people not getting
credit for some shit that they created, and it happens
to everybody. It happens at different levels, and you have

(26:26):
to learn how to protect yourself, and nobody teaches you.
You just go in there taking punches and then you go, oh,
you know, and that that's usually how you learn, unless
there's a comic that kind of takes you under under
his wing or something and teaches you, like, well, got
for this. They're going to try to do that. Damon
Wayne's was great at that.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Oh word, I've heard that before.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
That he was great at that. Like he barely knew
me and he you know, and he' said, he I
saw you on TV. You funny man. We stand out
in front of the cellar. He goes what he got
going on, and he just stood there. Damon Wayde's quick
and believe it, he just stood there and for like
twenty minutes, he's going, uh huh, all right, all right,
this is what they're going to try to do. But
he just was cooling, like, oh my god, I know

(27:10):
I just did this business was so ruthless. But I
never forgot that, and that was something that I learned.
It's like, all right, so if I get somewhere, like
my job is to tell the younger kids, you know
how they going to try to come in. That's how
they fuck you. Yeah, they don't care about they can
get a hook or any time they want, or whatever
the hell they want. They're trying to take your ideas

(27:31):
and get the money. They got all kinds of stuff
they have. Like you remember back in the day, there
was like points on a show, how many points you had,
and they literally invented points that didn't mean shit, so
you would be you got forty points, I only got thirty,
but mine means something. You just don't mean anything. It's
the whole thing is. Yeah, like here's one for you.

(27:51):
It's way harder to prove somebody stole from you than
defamation of character. Figure that one out. So that basically
protects the thiefs. So when somebody steals from you can't
then go around town and say this guy stole from me,
stay away from him, blah blah. That gets back to him.
He can sue me, and he can just come up
with the phony cost report, Well, well this mouse was
thirty thousand dollars and this was fifteen, and and whittle

(28:11):
down what he stole and they get away with it.
Pad that experience.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Will it Will it ever be fair? Will be no?

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Because human beings are completely flawed and it's God's fault
because that's how he makes this. So you need to
stop going on Sunday praising him. You need constructive criticism. Jesus, No,
I didn't know. Let people freak out. Will freak out
when you when you start making fun of God. I'm

(28:40):
down to hear you.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
I'm down to hear it out, all right.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
No, I just it's just an astoundingly like uh, not
even dumb. Just not have an empathy, which is the
first level of intelligence. Is if you can't take yourself
out of yourself and look at somebody else, see this
situation and hear it that there's there's just a level
of life in living life you're not going to get past.
You're just not going to get past. And also they

(29:04):
got to stop naming stuff deliberately confusing, like white privilege.
Every white person I knew is I didn't grow up rich.
That's how we took that shit. I don't know why.
I don't know who names the shit, but like I
didn't know what it meant. I was like, what are
you talking about? I grew up in a duplex with
fucking squirrels.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
And the So what would you call it?

Speaker 5 (29:26):
What would I call white privilege? No, I would Well,
that's a good question. Uh, I don't know being white,
I don't know. I don't know. I'm not good at this,
like coming up with band names and shit like that.
But like I didn't like, like it meant how you
like moved through the earth through the world.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Right.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
So one of the things I've been kind of having
fun with in the Red States is talking about the
Klan and now there's all this stuff you can't do anymore,
but you can still join that group. But I go,
that's a great example of white privilege. Can you can
still join a terrorist organization as a white person and
it's protected under others freedom of speech? And they start saying, well,
you know, I don't want to do the whole bit

(30:04):
because I want to I want to flesh this thing out.
But that's what they sit there, and then that's one
of the most fun things about doing stand up is
going to a place like that and doing some stuff
like that and getting them to hear it, and then
going to LA and kind of doing like the same thing.

(30:26):
Because they think people in Hollywood think that you just
put a BLM sign in the window, and that means,
you know, you're like a saint, and it's like you
haven't done anything, which you basically did was appeased your
your sense of responsibility. What are you talking about, I
put a sign in the window. I'm on the right
side of history. Or my favorite one was it was

(30:47):
white people marching in BLM marches, filming themselves or Instagram like,
look what a great person I am. So it's just like,
I don't know, I don't know a human being served
or interesting.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Is their comedy to be found in this year's election.
I mean.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
The joke I've been doing. They're like this election is
like you know, when Hollywood makes a shitty movie, you're like, man,
that movie sucked, and then two years later there's like
a sequel and you're like, they're making another one of these.
That's how I look at this. I think, basically, it's
not worth the job's not worth the headache. And I
think that the House and the Senate basically voting that

(31:27):
you can't prosecute us for insider trading, and they're all
worth twenty to forty million dollars and you watch CNN
and Fox News. You know who's supposed to be these
journalists just completely leave them alone. It's like, why do
I want that job? I can just sit here, no
one knows who I am other than in my state.
I can make my forty million move to another state,
no one knows who I am. You know, get a

(31:47):
boat and some coke and some wares, and I'm good, right,
Like that's how they look at it, like seeing Nfox.
If I was running sit c N, Fox News would
be shut down. They are anti American. All they do
every day their businesses divide us and and then who
they go after, they just go after. The reason why
comedians have been getting so much shit is because we
don't advertise on their network, so we're just soft targets.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Right.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
That's why I could being in the pandemic. You remember
that kid who he hoarded all the hand sanitizer, one
of the greatest fucking gambles ever, because they was a
SARS is coming and all of this shit. This kid said, ah,
I think this stuff is real, And he had a
whole garage full of hand sanitizer and he was up
in the price by one hundred percent and seeing ah,
they were just dragging this kid. How could you do that?

(32:33):
And then meanwhile, like big pharmaceutical companies, it's like four
to sixty bucks for a leukemia pill and that's totally fine.
Why is that fine? Because they're making money off them,
so they're not going to, like, you know, bite the
hand that feed. So this is the shit that like
you think about when you're alone a lot on the
road and it eventually makes you go crazy. So I
just I have decided what. I just sort of like

(32:55):
I don't pay attention to like anything, and I try
not to, but then and when I do, it's like heartbreaking.
Like there's there's a uh, there's a documentary about the
Ukraine that came out one an oscar and I just
saw the trailers. I just was the most heartbreaking thing
you've ever seen.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
It's almost like ignorance is bliss right, Like that's what
you realize that unless you know happy you are.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Yeah, or like, uh, I don't know, Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird. And then dumb people think they know everything.
Mm hmmm, I had this works let me, I got
it all figured out. Yeah, So that's why I realized, Yeah,
I don't know shit, does.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Cancel go to scare you at all? Does it make
you change?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
You said?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
You see a lot of comedians change the set, change
how they talk, change what they talk about.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Uh. Well, that was something that, like most movements, started
with something good, you know, and then was quickly co
opted by people with their own interest and then it
just completely lost its way.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
And like, is it good because because medians were usually
the ones that well, I think you.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Laugh, you know, but if there was people, No, but
the initial thing that there's these people out there actually
abusing people, like that was good to get rid of
those people that that wasn't bad. But then all of
a sudden it's spun into what are you talking about
in your act?

Speaker 4 (34:08):
You know?

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I worked with an actor she got she got canceled
for an analogy and it was and it was all politics.
The girl on Star Wars. Uh, it was she didn't
want to get the she didn't want to get the
COVID shot, and then she made some sort of Nazi
Germany analogy. Right, well, no, it'll do if it goes

(34:29):
against the politics, if it went across, if she was
coming the other way, if she was coming like the
other way, then I don't think it doesn't land that way,
because I gotta be honest with you, Like Hitler and
Nazi analogies and comedy are like are hackey, it's forever been,
this guy is the next Hitler blah blah blah bah
blah or something like that, So you know, like I

(34:53):
don't know it, So it's it's it's I kind of
like didn't really notice it was happening that I was
kind of on stage going like, oh, I just said that,
what if somebody just takes that clip? And as I
didn't realize I was doing that till I did. Dave
Chappelle was doing COVID shows and I went there and
nobody had a phone, and just the freedom of that,

(35:15):
not like I was gonna go out and say something ignorant,
but just not having to worry about that when they
were really kind of common for people, because I think
it's like died down, but it was a while. It
just seemed like they had to throw a log on
the fire every month and eat whether they had somebody
or not.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
And the wrong Nazi Germany Hitler reference will get you
in any air.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Look, it's all it depends on your intent. It depends
on your intent. I did Nazi jokes when I was
in Germany, and they would die and laugh because it
was just like, what was it. I was just talking
about all their accomplishments. I go, you know what's amazing

(35:59):
about you guys, you know all the accomplishments you made,
you know, with the automobile, you know, weaponry, audio tape.
I just was listing all their accomplishments. I go, and
then you just pick one wrong guy and it all
goes to hell. And I just started talking about yeah,
because and then they filmed it so they can't refute it. Oh,

(36:23):
that was a joke I was doing. Yeah, how Germany
they actually have shame for what they did, and it's
not because they're better white people. It's because they're oppressed people.
One they have to they have to acknowledge it.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
The nottification though, that is that's what That's what that was. Yeah,
it was them having shame for what they did and
you know, cleaning everything up.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I find neo like neo Nazis are fascinating to me
because like they're all like to support the troops people
and they're like neo Nazis and it's like, well, you
know the troops were fighting the Nazis. Like, just how
all of that gets blurred after time? It's weird.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
Not that one little piece you just said Neo nazis
a fan. Yeah, clip that on Twitter?

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Oh yeah, there it is. You have a field day.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
I find them intriguing.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
How big of a deal is it now for a
comedian to have a special.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah, I still think it's it's a to have a
good one. If you have a whatever one, it's I
don't know what it's going to do for you, but uh,
I'm old school. I still like I'm like one of
those you know guys now in your business they just
make singles and stuff like that. So that's starting to
become that like have a special chopping up. That's what
the younger kids are doing. I'm still of the I'm

(37:35):
still making albums, So I don't know if that's stupid
or whatever, but that's that's how I do it. But
I'm also the belief that, like, as long as you're
doing quality, people are going to come.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
And see yeah, and stay consistent.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
It feels like a comedy Ted talk. He's a very
in depth question.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I just want to know, and I was I was
performing a fmway.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Paul. Oh, that was.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
One of those that was so big, Like, I don't
think I even mentally dealt it with it until like
two years after.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
I did it.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Thirty five thousand people.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Yeah, something like that. I felt like I was in
led Zeppelin. They had a police escort. We drove into
the thing, you know, as good is. I was there
for a week because I got a family up there,
So I always go back in the summer. And you
got a family up there, I have family relatives. No, No,
I've lived.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
A lot of lives.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
It was a waitress early on in my career. We
weren't a good place. Now, No, I was, And I
was walking around town and people say, hey, man, you know,
good luck on the show, you know, blah blah. So
I kind of felt like the city was behind me,
which was another thing to like have to like think about.
So yeah, I went up there, and what I didn't
realize is like they've so perfected the sound and the
screens and everything. It was just like this giant comedy

(38:49):
club and you always killing me. People kept going like,
just make sure you take it all in when you're
up there. Just make sure you know you take a
moment for yourself. It's like, this is comedy. I can't
do that. The second I take a moment with myself,
I'm immediately bombing. So what I kept doing was during
Bigger Laughs, was just looking out Okahoma plate where it
said Fenway Park, and that was That's just it was

(39:11):
mind blowing and uh yeah, and then we got to
let us hang up in right field smoking cigars and
we might my family. We used to always get tickets
the blue seats up and right field, so it was
kind of up there. It was really uh yeah, that
was something. So that was that was a one time
only because you want to do it again. It's like, no, no,

(39:32):
I don't think there's any point to go back.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Lotter request with tickets.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Oh from people, Uh you know, it wasn't that bad.
It wasn't that bad, you know. It was was nerve
wracking though. Was my high school reunion also? Was there? No,
they just decided to go to the show and that
and it's just like that's just like a weird thing
where like when I meet people from high school, like,
you know, I had a really cool class, so like
I'm still the person I was, and and so are

(39:59):
they it's just I'm doing on this weird thing. So
that was kind of I didn't block that out a
little bit, hight to be like, you know, all those
girls who were afraid to talk to you go back
to being like, you know, little billy, redheaded kid in
like ninth grade. So I had to like, Okay, I
gotta block this shit out and do my job.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
You just stun on him a little bit.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Nah, that my time to do that. I blew it
and I just accepted. I took the loss and I
kept moving forward. I don't do I don't go back. No,
you married right, yeah, to a black woman.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
If I'm not mistaking, Yeah, how does that happen?

Speaker 5 (40:33):
How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
How does that happen?

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Saying a white guy from.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
I watch, like, you know, I watched Different Strokes growing up,
and I had a crush on Janet Jackson? How does
that happen?

Speaker 4 (40:45):
You mean?

Speaker 5 (40:47):
First time I met her, I was with her dad,
who was booking the Apollo. So I was doing showtime
with the Apollo and she was standing out back.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Oh she's black, black.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
So black people the Apollo, it was my wife is gorgeous.
He's gorgeous. So that was one thing, but I didn't
really I I came and was coming up the backstairs
and someone was getting booed, and I just remember thinking like,
why am I doing this? I didn't need to do this.

(41:19):
This all started with like that Patrici shit where he
was always, you know, fucking with you. So he was like,
you have a good set, and he would just and
then he started talking about talents room, talent Will's room
around the corner, saying like, you know, there's a bunch
of comics over there that ten times funnier than all
you white guys, and dah da da da da, and
you know, so it kind of felt like all right.
He was like I just want a championship, and somebody

(41:41):
saying no, there's some guys across the way that could
kick your ask. They're not allowed in the league. So
it's like, all right, I gotta go play him. So
I started doing those rooms, and then that led and
then I was thinking like, well, this's be great. I'll
do the black rooms. I'll also do the white rooms,
and then I can get that draw. That crowd that
I heard on those Richard prior albums didn't happen, but
I ended up doing the Apollo, and uh, that's where

(42:03):
I met her. But I met her again on Tough Crowd.
She was doing Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn and we
kind of hit it off, and I remember I just
kept asking around. She just kept being a jerk, and
right as I was a typical woman, right the second
I was like, you know, what, the hell with her?
The hell with her? Ended up running into her and
then all of a sudden she was like really nice

(42:26):
and we were hanging out. Oh my god, this guy
was cock blocking me so bad that night on such
an epic level.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Can't blame him, obviously.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
No, it's because no, if it'd be no, why what
do you mean? I mean, because she's so beautiful, as
you understand why he was kind of that's not why
he was doing No, you don't have all the information
music is this guy's advocating cock blocking. I was like,
why did you get that chair advocating that shit? No,
he was doing it because he was miserable in his

(42:58):
own relationship. So like he saw me like and it
was like, you know, it was like fireworks, like we
just like, I mean, love it first night and yeah,
like I've I've only met two people that had like
a vibe like her in my life. And the first
one was a dude. He was just so that wasn't no.
He was like no, just walked in the room, you know,

(43:21):
and you just knew the person was coming the room.
She has that vibe, right, so uh.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Hold on, you got to clear that him. That will
be clear.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
But you didn't date the guy nothing. No, I'm just
one of the black people.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Let go this homophobia. You always got a check like
what are you doing? Manicured eyebrows, Like I'm gonna sit
here and act like you're all good over there, like
you don't have to swing a leg over the fence
every once in a while. You got fucking sandals on
and white socks. He looked like you just came from
a steam room. Yeah No, I just mean like like

(43:59):
I I always paid attention to energy because my energy
was terrible. I was like all introverted and blah blah
blah blah. So I was fascinated with people that were
just free.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
So that's what I meant.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
Okay, we're gonna go back to sucking dick for a
show again. Guy's a one trick pony over here.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
So we go.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
We go to like hang out right. No, So we're
like vibing and everything, and I literally had to say
to the dude, he was like a chick. I'd be like,
hey man, sorry, I'm not paying attention together. That's how
they fuck, he was. I was just like, you know,
I'm hitting it off for there. Man, I think it's
just going all right. Right, So the end of the
night comes, the end of the stand up show, and
he just comes walking over. He goes, he so you go,
you guys want to go get something to eat, right,
and he invites her and everybody. Now I'm at this

(44:38):
fucking table and there was like, you know, ten other
people there, and he's all the way down the end
and he's still like yelling down shit, trying to interrupt
any of my talking to her. I mean so long ago.
I just remember one point that check came and I
didn't have any money, so I said, I'll put just
give me the cash, I'll put it on my card.
He's like, oh, he's just trying to get the miles
like that's like that's how he was doing it, right, Hey,

(44:59):
So everybody goes to leave and now it's just oh no, no, no.
It was the middle of the dinner, right or whatever
the fuck we were doing the cock block dinner right,
And I finally just look at her. I just give up,
right because he won't shut the fuck up. And I
finally just looked at her and I go, can I
at least split a cab with you home? So she
does that female thing, why do you want to split
a cab with me? And I just said fuck it

(45:19):
all right. I was just thinking, I go because I
want to kiss you, right, okay, right? So she put
her head down and smiled, and I was like, I
got her. Fuck this guy, so I let him do
all his bullshit. Everybody leaves except for him, me and
who's going to become my future wife? And he literally goes.
He goes, he goes, where do you live? Do you

(45:41):
live uptown? And she goes, yeah, I live a time
go I live it too. He goes, you want to
split a cab? He's trying to leave with her, and
she goes, no, I'm taking a ride home. I'm riding
home with Bill. He's going like, oh no, but he
was so in his ship, he was so in his ship,
like he didn't She said, I'm not going to say
his name she went so, and so I'm splitting a
cab with Bill and I didn't have to I didn't

(46:03):
have to say ship. I just stood there and then
he he left and it was funny. I don't talk
to him for four days and he calls me up.
He's like, Hey, what's going on? Like nothing, what's up?
He's like, uh so, like what You're not gonna you
didn't call me because you thought it was cock blocking
you there other night And I'm like you were He goes, no,

(46:25):
I wasn't. I'm like, why did you bring it up?
That was the end of that friendship? And you know,
I just don't have time. I don't have time for that,
you know what I mean. And plus it was also
kind of teetering anyways, you know it.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Was obvious too. It's like, yeah, your.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
You're a woman failed to w NBA joke is one
of the greatest social commentary though.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Yeah, thank you. I mean, I'm just I'm saying, yes,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
How did you get How did you get that?

Speaker 5 (46:54):
I was watching ESPN and they were blaming. They were
talking about like female sports not getting money and stuff
like that and all of that, and like he's just
being in entertainment. It's like you have to put assets
in the seats and that's what brings the money in.
So there was a point where, you know, professional football
wasn't doing as well as college football, and these guys

(47:16):
just kept working in and working it till it became
like what it was. And you know, there's more women
than there are men, So like, this is not on
us that women's sports at the very least aren't being supported.
So they're not being supported because you guys aren't showing up.
So that was the seed of the bit. And I
always forget my material. I forget how you.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Pointed to what actually is successful that women's support.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah Reality TV, yeah, which is
a bunch of women yelling at each other, yeah and fighting,
yeah yeah, throwing juice and drinks and water. Yeah, my
wife likes those shows.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Have you seen the Texas? The former Texans?

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Funny that place for the Steelers now Cameron Johnson and
they when the headlines says steal a sign Bilberg look alike?

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Oh yeah, I see that.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
That's scary.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
Yeah yeah, I concur that guy does definitely look like me.
Would have been cool if he was a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
But that shows how how popular you are.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Correct, Oh yeah, I guess so. I don't think any
of that ship really.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
No, that's the end of you, and that's the end
of you. You start walking around these I don't know.
I actually I kind of appreciate people that feel that
way about themselves. And also I don't understand it, but
I mean, when you're standing that those people do that
with their shirt blowing in front of a fan, in
front of their own audience, that ship is hilarious to me.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
I don't think you can go that far. But when
you think about your home, you.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Got the sandals on. I could see he's doing that,
blowing your hoodie around. I'm just gonna do it to
you before you do it to me. How many times
you wash that sweatshirt by the way that it looks
like a white guy sweatshirt. Threw it in with the towels. Okay,
oh it's tied that.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Well, when you think about your humble beginning, then you
think about Finway Park, you got to take that in
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Like I came a long.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Way at least I did. I did, but like I get,
I'm too afraid to That's basically what it is. I'm
too afraid to look at what I'm doing in situations
like that because I need to perform. So if I
get all into the you know, start thinking of the
magnitude or something. I just literally saw Kevin Hart's picture

(49:29):
on the door man. It's one of my favorite people
in the business.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Kevin bought he used to buy his chairs. So that's
why we have him sitting in that chair because he
bought for the old stue.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
He bought all the chairs.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
It's one of my favorite people. All I do, our
whole relationship is just giving each other shit. I don't
think if I had actual conversation anyway, Yeah I don't.
I don't think of stuff like that. So I I
I minimize, minimize, minimized, minimize. So because I had horrible

(50:00):
anxiety when I started out, Yeah, so I had to
figure out how to get The only way I could
figure out how to get it past it was to
look at the stuff that I was doing and act
like it wasn't a big deal, just a job. They
come in here, they get sitters and pay you know
money to come here. I come here, I make them laugh,

(50:20):
they leave. Hopefully they come back and I just sort
of reduce it to that and then I don't know.
Then I come on a show like this and you
start bringing stuff up, and that's when I think. That's
when I first start thinking about it. Look, mat, I'm
getting uncomfortable now, ready to go right, just thinking talking
about that ship. That all comes back also comes back
to like just like, uh, I don't know this weird

(50:45):
like low self esteem and then also like not accepting compliments.
I haven't figured that part of me out past synd
Oh my god, first time.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
I always like that's the thought that every time I
get off stage, My thought is that I make him
laugh enough that they're gonna come back. And I club
Soda Kenny, I like, he like reassures me. Clubs club
Soda Kenny is my club sort of Candy Kenny Kenny Kenny.
You know, I'm suspicious.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Crazy.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I'm just doing it back to you. Uh club Soda
Kenny legendary, UH former police officer, tour manager and UH
security guy. This he's like, I made it. I made
a short film with him. I gotta, I gotta put
it up on your your website. So he's the guy
when I got upstage, he's you know, works with Dice,

(51:42):
He's worked with everybody, and uh so he knows. And
he's also you know, he's a cop Jersey guy. You know,
he talks like like straight shooter. He's not gonna be like, no,
I was a good one. I always good to blah
blah blah. And then you know, if I get the
pat on the back, I know I I had a
good one. So yeah, that that is my I don't
walk off stage, you know, Oh god, I'm not going

(52:05):
to use that reference to start some shit. I don't
walk off stage thinking I'm the ship. I walk off
stage thinking I hope that was good enough that they
come back.

Speaker 8 (52:14):
So that was crazy because I'm literally still starstruck. Just
remember when I just walked past the room and I
was like, oh.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Shit, Bilbert's Bilberg? How you doing?

Speaker 8 (52:23):
And he was just looking like he was like not
at all, like oh yeah, you know, I am that guy.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
You know. It was just really cool.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
And the first time you made me laugh was Racial
Drafts the Dave Chappelle when it came out, but I
watched it because I was a big fan of Chappelle
show and then everyo.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
That was one of the coolest things the first really
cool thing that I ever got on where it was
like I got this experience like Beatlemania, and I only
did Like most of us is probably like, who the
hell were you on that? First of all, I had hair,
and I only did like, you know, four or five. Yeah,
So I remember, Uh, I was at this thing Bonnaroot.

(53:11):
You guys ever heard of bon Oh?

Speaker 4 (53:13):
You have? All? Right?

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Okay? So Bonnaroo is like this sort of uh you know,
this this music festival in Nashville. It was one of
the early years of it. It was a lot of
jam bands. It was some really like earthy, smelly white people,
sort of out in the field type of thing. Not
not a city kid vibe. So it was pretty white,
not country white, but damn close. And the lights went

(53:36):
down and I was seeing like this this band, what
the hell are they called practice? Like brain was on
drums burning well sort of this offshoot band, and the
lights went down. It was like ten thousand people in
this tent and the lights went down and they were
waiting for the band, and I just heard this dude,
just go what And then somebody else on the other
side yell yeah, And then somebody else yelled okay. Dude,

(54:00):
we got like goosebumps, and it was like it was
like right when it was I think it was right
after Rick James sketch had already like blown up and
I saw like how big this show was on. I
couldn't believe it. And there was like comedians were telling me, going, dude,

(54:20):
that show you're on is fucking blowing up. I just
did a college gig and like say, it came on
at like ten o'clock or something like that on Comedy Central,
and this show was at nine point thirty, like they
would be doing a show trying to do an hour
at ten o'clock, like five or ten. Half the crowd
would just get up and leave, and he'd be like,
you know, thinking, what did I say, Well, well, we're
gonna go watch the Chappelle Show. I don't know if

(54:41):
anything gets that big again with not all of those media,
but it was like and everybody brings up, you know,
the Rick James one and all of that. I will
tell you this, the lawn Order sketch that I was
in the first cut of that, and I think Comedy
Central thought was too dark. Oh my god. It was

(55:03):
like it was like a fucking oscar winning movie because
it was hilarious. And then it was like when the
White Dude was in prison in the end, the way
they did it and they cut to Dave laughing on
the golf course, it wasn't funny. It was like, this
is what you fuckers do to us. It was it
was like wow, something Commy sens was like, oh, you know,

(55:23):
we uh thinking there's a different ending. Bring it a
little bit. But there was a That was another thing too.
I remember they used to edit it right up the
street from where I was living, and I remember Neil
Brennan going to going, you gotta you gotta come see
this ship. And I got to see them the Rick
James sketch before anybody else, and I remember laughing my

(55:45):
ass off and they just became a point I stopped
laughing and I was just like, this is like I've
never seen anything like this in my life. Yes, that
was probably the first kind of still like the one
of the coolest things. I got to be on him
at Charlie Murphy Rest his soul.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
He's upd into we got him up there.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Oh yeah, Oh man, the stories that went with that guy. Yeah,
he had, Oh my god, his stories. He had endless.
She told this story at one time, and it was
all stuff from the eighties. It would be so like
yo yo, I was at this party, was me, Sugar
Ray Leonard, and Punky Brewster, right like what party is this?

(56:30):
It was just all these like eighties icons. Right then
he was talking about sugar Ey Leonard being drunk, talking
about how he how quickly he could throw punches at
your ribs and not hit you. And and he said
that these white guys were letting him do it. He
was drunk and he kept hitting him and they would
like fold in half, and he was crying, laughing telling her,
and I was going, why the fuck would they do?

(56:52):
I don't know. That's the nicer one I can tell.
So that the funny thing.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
About your pail.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
When you look at your pel and now you rewatch it,
you'll see you. You'll see Joe Rogan, You'll see Neil Brandy,
You'll see all of these people who have gone on
to be you know, icon of the known.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Right now, Yeah, Dave gave me one of the u
one of the greatest pep talks I ever got, I
ever got. Like it's funny because I'm older than Dave,
but Dave started so young. I always look at him
like an older brother, right, and uh, I was doing
some shit at the cellar, you know, and I got
off stage and he was sitting on the stairs. Fortunately
I didn't know he was there. I would have, at

(57:29):
that point in my career would have been like intimidated
somebody that big watching me. And I remember him telling me,
he's like, man, your point of view was so dope, man,
and he goes, it's gonna but it's gonna take you
a lot longer to get there, but when you do,
you're gonna hit hard. And I, dude, I fucking held
on to that for like seven years on the road
going Dave think some funny, Dave thinks so funny.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Yeah, he was right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
Yeah, all right, Bill fucking berg Man, all right, joining us.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
All right, thank you for having you. Guys. Were nice.
Everybody got me all purposes like you guys, let's not go?
Why let's not go? Why you know why?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
You know?

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Yes, be honest with you. I listened. I listened to
one clip and I shut it off after eight seconds.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
You what clip was it?

Speaker 5 (58:14):
Somebody said something like, well, you know, sometimes, uh, sometimes
whatever the hell? He was talking about and I just
hear you go, why would you do that? I'm like, oh, ship,
is it gonna be this?

Speaker 6 (58:24):
Larry King always says the best question to ask is why,
Because people say that, and I really do be curious.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
I'm like, well why why is always the best question?
That's a better Yeah, it's a better why. Your why
wasn't That wasn't the read go It was like the
subtext was why the fun would you do that? No?
It is, but I had a good time. Hey, it's
my insecurity. I hope you have me back.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
You know that there's a lot of people I know
that that hold you in very, very high. The young comedians,
older comedians like Pete Davison always talks about you all
the time.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
Ricky Gervai like, oh, yeah, Pete. I remember. Pete was
another guy. He had that vibe. He was just memorable.
I met him. He was like like like twelve thirteen
years old, already as tall as me, and I remember
years later he started doing Stalley. Four years later, he goes,
I don't know if you remember. I just I remember
I said, Atlantic City. You were standing there with your mom,
So all right, how many times we're going to wrap
this up. That's I think it's that's all right. Thank

(59:21):
you so much. I really appreciate what is all right,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that answer up
in the morning.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Breakfast Club