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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that answer up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Everybody is the j en Vy Jesse Larius Charlamage, the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building, the legend doctor Phil.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome. Good morning. How is everybody. How you feeling.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Let's Black and Holly favored.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
How are you? I'm doing good.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You got a new book out. We've got issues.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
How you can stand strong for America's soul in sanity?
I was I think I was watching the watching Fox
News one night and I saw you go down to
the border.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I did. I went down to the border. That's a
that's a really unusual situation down there. I've and I've
heard so much about it, but I want to go
see it for myself, and uh, it's it's not what
you think when you go down there. You know, first off,
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they tell everybody that there's this big tension between Texas
and the national folks. That's not true at all. I mean,
they're having together, they're working together, and they're their number
one priority is keeping everybody safe. Coming across that river
is deep and it's the current is really strong, and
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they're worried to death. People are going to drown and
some do out there. So these are you know, they're
just like they're they're just people with a job. You know,
there's down there trying to do their job.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So what's the biggest issue, you'd think, like, what's the
problem with the with the with the actual boarder.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think the biggest problem is we don't know who's
coming in and and I and I got to be
real clear, I am very pro immigration. We need people
in America. This first, this country wouldn't exist without immigrants,
and we need immigrants. Our birth rate right now is
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one point six. We need two point one just to
sustain our current infrastructure. We need people in America or
we can't pay for everything we need for jobs and
creativity and just the numbers to support the system. We
need immigrants. But we do need to know who's coming
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in because I think in just the last month, they
picked up seventeen that are currently on the terrorist watch list,
and they're not These are not all Mexican citizens that
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are coming They're coming in from Syria, Libya, China. How
are they winding up at the southern border, And even
all of those aren't bad. Between twenty ten and twenty
twenty they had maybe a couple of hundred or you know,
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several hundred Chinese come across the border in that time,
eleven hundred, twelve hundred. In the first eleven months of
twenty twenty three, it was thirty three thousand. Why, you know,
you really wonder why, and are these people trying to
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escape the Chinese government and all of the problems they
have being under a communist regime, or are they Chinese
operatives that are trying to get into this country to
create problems. I think it's some of both. But how
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are they getting out of China? You just don't wake
up in China and say, you know, think I'll take
a flyer, think I'll take a trip and leave like
you do in America. That's not how it works in China.
You got to it's a big deal to get out
of China. And if you've got family there, you got
a real problem if you just up and leave. So
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big questions about people coming across the border, who they
are and who they aren't, and and the border guards
down there aren't trying to close the border, they're trying
to control the border. And that was a big revelation
to me.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Now I seen you when you were down the border.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You were saying that you know that fair was that
there was a lot of drug smugglers coming in, and
there was a lot of sex trafficking and sex workers
coming in, and that was one of the biggest fears.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'm often I'm seldom without words. And I asked Brandon Judd,
who's the head of the union for nationally for the
border guards. He was the former border guard, he's now
head of the union. I asked him straight up, these
children that are coming in, they have addresses written on
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their arms, the phone number written on their arms. And
I say, so we're contacting those people right and saying
child's coming in with this number. Do you know this child? Yes,
we do. Are you prepared to take this child? Yes?
We are. I said, what are we doing to check
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these people out? I said, are we? Is it possible
that we are using our resources and tax dollars to
traffic young children into prostitution, if the sex trade selling
these children or putting them into sweat chops or whatever.
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And he said, oh, it's not possible. We are, Wow,
we are. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You
know there's a camera right here over my shoulder. Right,
you're telling me we're spending United States citizens tax dollars
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to traffic young children into known sex trade or or sweatshops.
He said absolutely. I said, why have you Why are
you not talking about this? Why are people not talking
about this? And he said, because people aren't asking me
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these direct questions like you're asking. And I'm grateful for
it is all.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
To be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
No, of course not. But they're saying, we're overwhelmed down here.
We were sending them on and I said, this is outrageous.
That take the money out of it, that we're funding it.
Just the fact that we're trafficking these young children and
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it doesn't make a difference to me whether they're Mexican origin, Syrian, whatever.
They're showing up unaccompanied and where trafficking come on. That's
that's heartbreaking to me, absolutely, that we're doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And that's why I ask.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Is illegal, because she should in charges be bought up
on those people who are at the border who are
allowing those children to get put in the sex traffice.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, you'd think so, yeah, And he said a lot
of these children are getting recycled. You'll see children come through,
and they'll be with a group to make it look
like a family, and we'll see that same child cycle
back through. Here a couple of weeks later, it's the
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same kid.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
What a different family.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
They get through, and then they send them back around
and put them with another group and they come back
two or three children come back again.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, let me ask you what you know, of course,
from your show. For years, you've been fixing people's relationships,
fixing people's lives.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
What makes you want to fix America?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
We don't. That's a great question all of our I've
spent twenty one years at CBS doing the show, and
what made up the composition of the show is what
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we would get most of the time. Now, sometimes we
do news stories or whatever, but most of the time,
probably eighty five nine percent of the time would be
based on the letters we would get, emails that we
would get from people writing in, and that determined the
content of the show. I didn't want to guess at
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what people wanted to hear. We looked at what are
male made up? And so we had choose what was
the most common sort of thing we were getting asked.
And that's changed across time. Think about this. I'm a
little older than you guys, but when I started doctor
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Phil in two thousand and two, the first text message
had never been sent. Wow, think about how much has changed.
The first text had never been people weren't doing emails.
And then about eight to nine it was like big
C one thirties flew over the country and dropped smartphones
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on everybody. And that changed the world for evermore. And
it was the biggest change in our lives since the
Industrial Revolution. Took place way before our generations, but the
Industrial Revolution changed everything. Right until that time, we were
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an agricultural world. Ninety five percent of the people worked
on farms. With the Industrial Revolution, that started changing pretty soon.
It got down to twenty five. Now it's one percent
our agriculture. Everybody else's mechanized, working in tect and all
that sort of stuff that changed the world. I think
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smartphones and technology is the biggest change since the Industrial Revolution.
And why think about you're walking around with an iPad
or a phone in your hand that has more computing
power than we had when we put the Man on
the Moon in your hand. I mean, think about that,
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the memory, the speed, the computing power, the number of
operations you can do per second, you think it has
been for better or worse. I think it's better, I mean,
but the unintended consequences of it at that same time,
just think about it. Nobody was going through life this way,
you know, head up, looking around, and in eight or nine,
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all of a sudden, everybody's head went down looking at
the screen. Walk around now, look out on the streets
of New York. Everybody's heads like this. You know how
many times people check their phones every day?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Too much?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Three hundred and fifty two times a day on average,
That includes old people, not just kids, on average, three
hundred and fifty two times a day. Now you're figure
you sleep eight hours, so that's sixteen during sixteen hours.
They checked their phone three hund and fifty two times
during that those waking hours. And at the same time
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that those cell phones came out, we saw the biggest
spikes in depression, anxiety, and loneliness with young people since
records started getting kept. And why because they stopped living
their lives and started watching people live their lives, and
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they started comparing their life to the life they were
watching being lived on that phone. And the problem was
the life they were watching was a fiction.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, we watched.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
They spend so much time watching everybody's highlight reel and
comparing their real life to a highlight reel, and.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That highlight reel istake most of the time. I've had
these influencers on the show and they say, I post
this reel up and I'm putting on these great clothes
and all that say so excited going to the NBA
All Star Game tonight, got floors, seats on the floor
and all this stuff. Says, soon as that video's over,
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I carefully take those clothes off because they have to
go back. I don't own them, I have to return them.
I couldn't afford to buy those clothes. And then I
put my sweats on and put my happy ass on
the couch. I don't have tickets to the NBA All
Star Games. I'm just doing that, you know, to get followers.
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They're just like everybody else. But all these other people
are watching this and saying, God, what a loser am I.
I'm not going to any game. I don't have clothes
like that, And so by comparison, their self esteem and
their self worth goes down, and they say it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I think small phones have ruined the sanity of America,
and I don't think that. I think in the long run,
we're going to realize it wasn't what we thought. It
wasn't as good as we thought it was.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I think the downsides are huge.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't think it's the phones. It's social media more
so than anything.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, it's definitely social media. People don't know. But to
answer your question, why am I focused on America? The
question started changing, the questions started changing. People start saying,
you know, my kids. When I turned sixteen, when I
was three hundred and fifty five days, twenty three hours
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and fifty nine minutes old, I was standing at the
DMV to get my driver's license. Right. I wanted that
license because it's freedom. You're right, you can get out
and go. And my first car, my older sister gave me.
It was a Saratoga. It was a Plymouth or Chrysler Saratoga.
I forget what it was. It would only go She
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gave it to me because it would only go thirty
eight miles an hour. At thirty nine, it started shaking
so bad because the front end was gone. But I
was so glad to get it because it was freedom right.
They don't even get their driver's license when they turned
sixteen anymore, I don't care. They date later, they start
having sex later, they engage with the world later. On average,
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they have less than one good friend because they live
for followers and clicks and all that. So they're not
developing emotionally, and you know, they're depressed, anxious, and lonely.
So the downside is really bad. So the questions started changing.
I had to start dealing with cyber bullying, cyber predators
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pretending to be a fourteen year old guy getting a
fourteen year old girl to come out of her bedroom
window and meet them at midnight, and they got there
and it was a forty five year old pedophile that
abducted them and took off. You know, all of these
the questions started changing, and they've continued to change now
where kids are concerned about parents are concerned what are
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their kids getting exposed to at school? Are they getting
groomed on the internet. You know, they think they're back
there playing a video game. They don't realize those video
games are Internet capable, and so they're in chat rooms
while they're playing the game. You know, things like that,
And then all of these issues that are now pounding
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on families because I think, I think families in America
are under attack, and I think I think the family
unit is the backbone of America, and if that's under attack,
then America gets weakened. And somebody's got to stand up
and call this stuff out. And those are the questions
I'm getting. And I didn't want to write another book.
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You know, you've written books, and I felt into a
lot of work.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah, I got another one coming out soon.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, And how much work is it?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
See? This one took me five six years.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, that's what I mean. And that's time away from family.
You got to go get in the room by yourself.
You got to sit down. They're writing and stuff out.
This is the longest book I've written. It's one hundred
thousand words, and you probably write three or four hundred
thousand to get those hundred thousand. It's a lot of work,
a lot of solitude, a lot of but I felt
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like I had to write this book. Somebody's got to
call this stuff out. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
In the book, you say, in too many instances, we've
gotten rid of the most important American trade, self determination
and replaced it with victimization. We've gotten rid of conversation
and replaced it with cancelation.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
More on that, Well, this cancel culture should be a
council culture. You know, if you catch somebody with the
wrong words in their mouth, if you catch somebody that
is run a foul or some rule or some guideline
or something, this cancel culture is on them like a
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pack of dogs. And you find some tweet or some
posts that somebody did years ago, and maybe they're up
for a job now, promotion now, or they're they're in entertainment,
they're going to host something or get a big part
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in a movie or whatever. But it's not just entertainment people,
it's everybody. HR departments go back and find something and
drag it up now into the future. You know, when
you're fifteen, sixteen, ten years old, you're brain didn't through growing.
You do stupid stuff, you say stupid things, you get drunk.
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I think we should have breathalyzers on social media where
you got to you blow point eight, You can't you
can't type, and cancel culture seizes on that and jumps
on that kind of stuff, and I think that's terrible.
It reminds me of George Orwell's nineteen eighty four where
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they had language police and new speak and you can
only use these words. And I've done shows on words
we can't use anymore. And you see these colleges and
universities that, like some of these schools now don't have
admissions office to the school because that suggests somebody is
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going to be rejected, so they now have office of
enrollment management.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Think it's too soft now?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I do. And I think when those kids get out
of college and get out into the dog eat dog world,
they're gonna they're gonna cheer them up and spit them.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Out, but they're not gonna go into the world. They're
gonna stay in the house and be on AI beyond,
be in the metaverse.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, that's probably right.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
They're gonna create their own.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Do you think even with parenting now it's it's too soft, right?
We come from an era where it's I know, people say,
you know, if something happens, your pops or your mom
encourage you to get it back up there and go
the next day.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
With now it's like it's more victimization.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, And we have these concierge parents. They fill out
the kids application for school. Uh, if he has a
con he or she has a conflict with a professor,
the parents shows up and does the argument, Uh for
the child. That's not how it works. You know, the
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employer is not gonna think your kid is precious. They're
not gonna think they're the most precious little in the world.
They're going to fire their dead ass, get somebody in
there to do the job. And we're not preparing the
kid for the next level of life. And we've got
to do that. We ar getting it is too soft.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
The reason I do agree that parents should be showing
up to talk to these adults sometimes because to the
point you're making in this book, Man, there's a lot
of unstable people out here. There's a lot of unstable adults.
And sometimes when I'm hearing my daughter, who's fifteen, talk
to some of these teachers, just the way she's describing
about describing.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Them, I'm like, something's not right. So I think I
need to go talk to this parent.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And I'm talking to this teacher and I've seen it firsthand,
looking in these eyes, like, yeah, something's not right there.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, you're right. We've got some people that are way
out of bounds, and parents need to step in, But
they don't need to smooth out every bump in the childhood.
Some kids, I think all kids need to fall and
scrape their knee. Kids need to resolve some issues. You know,
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A kid that's been bullied a little bit, a kid
that's been experienced some failure, a kid that's been through
some tough issues is going to be better equipped for
life than a kid that's never been allowed to experience
any that. A kid that's been success only journey throughout
their life. That you know, during the pandemic, these parents
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that went around wiping everything down with these sanitary wipes
and stuff. Their kids when they got back out in
the world had terrible coals and flu because their immune
system got weakened because mom was going around wiping everything
down so much that their immune system didn't have to work,
and so they were more vulnerable when they got back
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out there. It's the same way with life. Have you
guys ever looked into these trigger warnings, any trigger warning,
like the majority of colleges use trigger warnings. I looked
at one the other day. They had a trigger warning
for Romeo and Juliet said, alert suicidality. Well, spoiler alert, come.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
On I wonder if people would even come to that
conclusion about that movie if you didn't tell them beforehand.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, you know what I mean, you probably just watched.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The movie and get something totally different from it. But
I think that they're telling people what to feel.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Or they're protecting their own ass.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well, here's the thing. All these trigger warnings they talk about.
You know, this might have some violence in it, This
might have something about raping it. This might have something
about sex or drugs, sex, drugs, drug addicts, addiction, or whatever.
The truth is, there's been a there is a big
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body of research about this that says trigger warnings do
not work. In fact, trigger warnings create the anxiety that
they're trying to keep you away from. Just seeing the
trigger warning creates the anxiety. Not only do they not work,
they're a negative. And the fact is there's a there's
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evidence and what we call evidence based treatments that say,
that's not how you handle that. If somebody is sensitized
to that sort of thing, what you do? There are
treatments for that. There's evidence based therapies such as systematic desensitization,
immersion therapy, dialectical behavior therapy where you teach someone to
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learn to cope with it. You don't put them in
another room so they can avoid it, because when they
get out in life, they're not gonna be able to
avoid it. So you teach them coping skills so when
it pops up, they know how to handle that. So
there's a huge body of literature out there that says
trigger warnings don't work. Those colleges have the same access
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to that literature that I do, which means they know
they don't work, just like I know they don't work.
But yet they continue to use them. Why they're virtue signaling.
They're just trying to show, Hey, we're super sensitive over here,
so come give us your money. And I think they
know they're doing the kid wrong, they know they're doing
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the student wrong. They do it anyway.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I want to go back to the border right because
you called out the Vice President Kamala Harris and the
Biden border crisis, and you called it the humanitarian crisis
unlike anything we've ever seen before. Is it fair to
blame Justice administration for what's going on?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
To the board, No, And I didn't call them out.
I said the current administration is doing it about this
started under the previous administration, it started jumping up. Nobody's
handled this. The Republicans haven't handled it, the Democrats haven't
handled it. It's gotten worse now because there was an
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order in place to hold in Mexico. They took that
down and so they don't stop them in Mexico now.
So that caused an influx. But this has never been
a healthy situation. And I'll tell you why. For years.
If you, let's say, you want to do it right,
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so you process in, you ask for you know, the
proper you go through the proper channels, and so you're
going to get a court date. The average is at
least seven years. If you truly are concerned for your
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family safety and well being, who's going to wait seven years? Yeah,
I'm at you say, I'm as here and so I
need I need help. I need to get out of this.
I'm in danger. I need to come here for help.
It's great, here's your court date. Check back with us
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in seven years. If they're truly in a dangerous situation,
chances are pretty good they'll be dead in seven years.
You can't give people a seven year date and expect
them to just say, okay, well we'll go back and
get shot at or starved, or go through all of
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the dangers that we're going through. What do you expect
people to do? If I was in another country and
I truly felt like they were going to come around
with jack boots and kick my door in and kill
my children or me or put us all in jail
or whatever you be. Mice would be in that river.
That's what it took. I'm going to protect my family.
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Wouldn't you absolutely do whatever you have to do. We
can't cross system the exactly. You can't create a system
that's broken and then criticize people for doing what they
have to do to save them selves down. A lot
of people aren't really in that situation. They just say
they are. But how do you sort that out? Well,
the first thing you do is, we don't need eighty
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six thousand new IRS agents. How about eighty six thousand
new people in the in the border system where we
can process people and get them in here. Right A,
we need them and by they want to come here,
let's let's meet people where they are, let's accommodate their needs,
let's get them here.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
But you know that's also the other issue, right A
lot of people in this country feel like they're accommodating
the needs of the migrants more so and accommodating the
needs of the everyday American. They're looking at these migrants
and they feel like they're getting basic necessities like shelter,
you know, like like food, and they're starving in the
cities that they're in. That's the other issue that's popping
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up now.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And that's true in some situations. I mean they are
it is a crisis. So they're saying, your situation, you've
found a way to get from day to day to day.
These people are showing up and they're standing in the rain.
That's a humanitarian crisis. So we're reacting to the America.
Of course, of course it is. And two wrongs don't
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make a right. You can't leave these people standing in
the rain. You've been ignoring these people all this time.
Those two wrongs don't make a right.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, America does not do a good job at solving
problems at all.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah. I put forth in the book ten principles for
a healthy society, and one of them is stop trying
to win arguments and focus on solving problems. And there's
a huge difference between winning an argument and actually solving
a problem. If you're going to solve a problem, and
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you can tell when you're talking to somebody whether they're
trying to win an argument or they're actually trying to
come up with an action oriented solution to change a situation.
If it's the latter, they'll sit down and say, Okay, first,
let's see what we agree on. I know we have differences,
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but let's see what we agree on. Now, how can
I help you get what you need? How can you
help me get what I think is important? And let's
come up with some action steps to change this versus
yelling at each other or being a right fighter. If
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you put a gun to their head and said all right,
you need to come up with an action plan in
five hours or we're going to pull the trigger, I
guarantee you things would get done. Yeah. Now, we just
can't do that. But the problem is we got people
in charge of solving problems that don't really want to
solve them because their job depends on having that problem.
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They need that problem justify their existence. They need that
problem to maintain this huge bureaucracy, to maintain this big budget,
this big agency. They need that problem to exist. I
think we've got people in charge of solving problems that
are not problem solvers.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Who you think would be the best person to solve
the problem at the board to trum Trumpelbiden.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't think either one of them made any traction
on it. I think you need to get somebody down there.
I think if the government would step back and let
somebody go down there that had a budget and was
accountable for it, you could work this out. You could
work this out. It's you know, the government gets involved,
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and that's why they pay three hundred and forty five
dollars for ten dollars hammer. If you've got somebody involved
that's accountable to the bottom line, they would figure this out.
You would vet these people, get them in here and
put them to work. We need the people, We need
the workers. We need the workers. This is such a
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difficult situation, but is also a solution to an important problem.
We need these migrants in America. We need them.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
A lot of people say, why do you think People
say that, you know, the migrant's taking our jobs.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Well, you know, they may be taking some jobs at
the low low end of the employment continuum, but I
think that is much less of a problem than people
really think it is. And a lot of these migrants
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coming in are a lot more educated than people think
they are. I mean they're they're coming in with a
lot of them are coming in with bachelor's degrees. A
lot of them are coming in with skill sets uh
in in carpentry, plumbing, electrical that really have something to contribute.
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And we've got a supply chain that's paralyzed, You've got
problems getting capacitors, you've got you've got all kinds of
things that have slowed down commerce that so many migrants
could help.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Why do people act like what's happening currently in America
is normal?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Why are we acting like this? All of this stuff
is normal?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's like this especially in politics, Like you got a
guy who's got ninety one criminal charges for foreigndictments too, impeachments,
you know, lettingn attempted call it his country, Like why
are we acting like this is just business as usual?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I think part of it is I've got a study
that I talk about in the book that goes back
to nineteen fifty and compares it to now. The percentage
of people that are afraid to express their opinion has
tripled in the last seventy five years. People are afraid
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to speak up.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
That's your principal number six, right, Yeah, yeah, And I
say salentges so this can remain comfortable.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, because now people say, if I say something, it's
gonna piss somebody off and they're gonna come after me.
I'm better off just keep my mouth, shut my head down.
I'm not gonna say anything. I'm not gonna say anything now.
I don't talk politics for a different reason. I don't
know enough about it to talk about it. I don't
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think a lot of people that talk about it know
enough about it talk about it. I'm just willing to
admit it.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But you've got common sense, though, you know right from wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I do, and I know policies and legislations and all that,
but we can look with our eyeballs and see when
something isn't right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, it's you know, That's what I said when Hamas
attacked Israel. I don't know geopolitics. I don't know all
of that, and I don't know the several thousand year
history of that part of the world. But I know
(34:35):
when an infant is murdered in their crib, that's wrong.
I don't. Yeah, I don't need to be a politician
to know that's wrong. And when I was listening to
all that and I was going to speak on it,
I talked to the Israeli Consulates that I am going
(34:57):
to speak on this because I think it's terrible. I
was hearing things on college campuses that were so close
to what the Hitler youth rallies were saying. I thought
I'd never hear that in my lifetime, but I said,
I got to see this with my own eyes. I
can't go just on hearsay. And so the IDF, Israeli
(35:22):
Consolate and the Israeli Defense Force came to my house
underguard with classified footage and showed me what had gone
on in that invasion, with footage that's still not been released.
And I knew then that what I was hearing was
(35:44):
was true and accurate.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
But then you got Gossham where it's thirty thousand dead
in Gossam. They say mostly those people are women and children.
So it's just like it's the same.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You know, No, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You don't think it's the same.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Hell no, it's not the same. Someone one that is
killed in an act of war. Dropping a bomb and
there's collateral damage is not the same as invaders coming
in and attacking non combatants and killing children in their beds.
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That there's no moral equivalent to that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
You don't think that we should at least try to
protect the innocent.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Absolutely, But you can't invade and then go back and
hide in a school and say, okay, here I am,
so you can't you can't attack me now because I'm
hiding in a school. No, you can't hide in a
school and be safe. And if you did, first off,
(36:47):
that's a war crime to do that, and you can't
do that. Is it terrible that all of these people
are being killed Palestinians in the Gaza. Is that's horrible?
And I think every effort needs to be made to
minimize that, to hold that down, and anything that can
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be done to make surgical assaults and get into those
tunnels and do everything you can to not harm civilians,
certainly children or whatever. That you should be held to
the highest possible standard in that regard.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
So if we saw that at America, if somebody went
to a school a mass shooter, and you know, the
people showed up in the school and they said, hey,
we got to blow up the whole school in order
to get the mass shooter.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
We would not go for that doctor.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Of course, not, of course not. That would be horrible
and unacceptable. You can't do that. But you can't let
these people come and do what they did and then
run back and hide among innocent people. And everybody says,
well, we need a ceasefire. We had a ceasefire on October sixth,
(38:06):
we had a ceasefire. Then on October seventh they did this.
So what are you supposed to do? You have to
try to root these people out, and there's not a
there's not an easy way to do that. And I
hope and pray the Palestinians will run Hamas out of
(38:30):
there and and you know, get them out because I
don't think it's about Palestine. I think it's about Iran.
But I'm not a politician, and I certainly don't understand
the geopolitical forces that are there. And what bothers me
(38:50):
as much as anything is that we've got American students
that are cheering on these murderers. I mean instantly I
saw a sign, you know, gaze for Palestine. Well, games
would get killed and walk that into the guys the
strip and see how far you get me? Are they
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not teaching them critical thinking?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
No, I don't that That goes back to what we're
talking about with social media. I truly feel like a
lot of folks go on social media and they go
on there to see how they should feel about something,
like how you can sit here and say I don't
know about this issue, or I can say I don't
know about the issue.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
They won't do that.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
They'll go on social media and see what the math
majority of people on social media are thinking about something,
and they start parroting those talking points. And that's not
just with that situation, that's just with a lot of situations.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, I saw a staff the other day that and
I probably shouldn't go into much detail on it because
I don't have the resource at the front of my brain.
But a scary number, I mean, I'm talking way over
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fifty percent of young people get one hundred percent of
their news from TikTok.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Jesus Christ. That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
One hundred percent of their news, not like they get
some and they don't verify it. One hundred percent of
their news from TikTok. And I put a clip up
of my trip to the border. Just a small clip.
It was maybe twenty seconds, thirty seconds. I posted it
(40:35):
up on Facebook and Instagram and it was a part
of me talking to him about trafficking these children, and
maybe fifteen eighteen seconds, and it was up about fifty
minutes and going viral super fast. I mean, like tens
(40:57):
of thousands of views in a matter of just a
few minutes. It was just going just straight vertical and
then bang, it just stopped. I mean it didn't like
slow down or like people lost interest in it. It
stopped and got it got shut down. Wow, they just
(41:26):
the algorithm. They just shut it down and you couldn't
see it.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
That happens to a lot of our content too, especially
anytime you're talking politics and anything like that.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
YouTube has been suppressing us for some years.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, it was shut down on the YouTube and it
was shut down on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook. How do you
feel about that?
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I feel like what you said in chapter seven, we're
doing our enemies work for them, because you know, you're
stifling freedom of speech and you're you know, not letting
people see the truth for themselves, and you're just letting
them run with this false information that maybe out they're
on social media about a lot of these these things
that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
That's see, here's the thing. We're guaranteed free speech under
the First Amendment, but what it says is the government
will pass no law. Okay, and the government hasn't. We're
doing this to each other. We're muzzling each other. What
the hell is up with that? Right, We're mussling each other.
(42:28):
That's what's so disturbing to me. And you said, you
asked the question that I should have been asking a
long time ago, So I'll probably steal that and take
credit when you're not around. Why are we acting like
this as normal?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
This going on. You know, they're shutting down y'all's content.
They're shutting down my content. And they shut it down
because it was border and children and it and people
were getting up so by the oh no, we can't,
we can't have this, we can't have this. And this
wasn't me out there spewing hate or something. And it
(43:13):
was really interesting. I think what feeds the what feeds
the algorithm sometimes and gets it on the attention of
the people that go nope, is fifteen percent of the
comments that we went our cyber security people went in
and looked at this. I can I can show it
(43:34):
to you. Fifteen percent of the comments were from a
Chinese website that's locked. You can't get into it. But
it's from a Chinese website that was posting this stuff up,
probably saying this is horrible, should be taken down, horrible
taking down, horl taken down, but you can't get it.
It's in Chinese and my Chinese is a little rusty,
(43:56):
but you can pull up the site, but you can't
get on it's locked. And fifteen percent of the comments
on that video we're from it from one Chinese website.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
We've done that before.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
We've looked at uh, like you know, you'll see these
attacks that will happen sometimes, you know, and people will
be saying certain things, you like, where's this narrative coming from?
And so we've done like a digital forensics and it's
been the same thing.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Like a bunch of bots from India.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, and people think that when we talk about bots
that you know, you got somebody in their grandmother's basement
and they've got like ten phony accounts or something. These
bot farms are in the millions, that's right.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
They do camp, it's a campaign. People will go hire
people to do campaigns.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, and it's in the millions. And they change and
some of these these bots, these phony accounts are like
ten or twelve years old, and they have followers and
they follow each other. It's it's all intertwined. So I'm
gonna sound like anspiracy theorist here, but this is totally verifiable.
(45:04):
And they'll just change the content that they're putting out.
It can be, you know, about the economy, and then
it can be about hate speech, or it can be
about they just change what they talk about. But they're
in the million. And if you if you say something
(45:25):
that's controversial and they put a bot farm after you,
then all of a sudden, it seems like the entire
world hates this woman. And if you parse out all
of the bots, and then those bots start driving opinion,
and then real people start comments and say they jump
on the bandwagon, it's it's it's insane, and that's that's
(45:48):
a bad consequence of technology.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
And it's not even just social media to it's the
news networks, right because Fox News, like say, if I'm
having a conversation and I'm I'm critical of Donald Trump,
and I'm saying he's a threat to democracy, but I'm
also saying, hey, Joe Biden is an uninspiring candidate, right.
Fox News will take the uninspiring candidate clip, amplify that
all on their platform all day long, and then the
people on the left, instead of focusing on what I
(46:11):
said about Trump and him being atten democracy, they'll focus
on the.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Clip that Fox News pushed out there. So I'm like,
who are y'all working for?
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Fox Newles knows how to push their narrative.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I feel like seeing MSNBC don't really know how to
push their.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
And the reason is they don't know how to identify
an enemy and target that and go at it in
a targeted fashion. And that's the thing. If you're going
to do this effectively, You've got to get an identified enemy,
an identified enemy to rally around, rally the troops around
that enemy, that comment, and it's the cause celebrate, and
(46:49):
that's what makes a campaign to shut somebody down or
get people to really get up in arms. You got
to identify an enemy, identify the cause, and then set
forth an agenda. And that's what mainstream America doesn't.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Do very well, and the left does it. But they
do it to their own. Yes, the right stay focused.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
On the left and taking them out. The left end
up taking out each other.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're doing it to ourselves.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
Oh my god, we've got issues.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
The new book is out right now, How you can
stand strong for America's soul insanity, Doctor Phil.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
We appreciate you for joining us. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
You don't come up here enough, doctor, because I want
to talk to you about why do you feel in
the medical industry is pushing transgender ideology on children?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
But I guess maybe we'll save that for another time.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
We'll do it another time, because what we want to
talk about. Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome. Good morning. How is everybody. How you feeling.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Let's Black and Holly favored.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
How are you? I'm doing good.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You got a new book out. We've got issues.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
How you can stand strong for America's soul in sanity?
I was I think I was watching the watching Fox
News one night and I saw you go down to
the border.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I did. I went down to the border. That's a
that's a really unusual situation down there. I've and I've
heard so much about it, but I want to go
see it for myself, and uh, it's it's not what
you think when you go down there. You know, first off,
(00:50):
they tell everybody that there's this big tension between Texas
and the national folks. That's not true at all. I mean,
they're having together, they're working together, and they're their number
one priority is keeping everybody safe. Coming across that river
is deep and it's the current is really strong, and
(01:16):
they're worried to death. People are going to drown and
some do out there. So these are you know, they're
just like they're they're just people with a job. You know,
there's down there trying to do their job.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So what's the biggest issue, you'd think, like, what's the
problem with the with the with the actual boarder.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think the biggest problem is we don't know who's
coming in and and I and I got to be
real clear, I am very pro immigration. We need people
in America. This first, this country wouldn't exist without immigrants,
and we need immigrants. Our birth rate right now is
(01:56):
one point six. We need two point one just to
sustain our current infrastructure. We need people in America or
we can't pay for everything we need for jobs and
creativity and just the numbers to support the system. We
need immigrants. But we do need to know who's coming
(02:20):
in because I think in just the last month, they
picked up seventeen that are currently on the terrorist watch list,
and they're not These are not all Mexican citizens that
(02:40):
are coming They're coming in from Syria, Libya, China. How
are they winding up at the southern border, And even
all of those aren't bad. Between twenty ten and twenty
twenty they had maybe a couple of hundred or you know,
(03:01):
several hundred Chinese come across the border in that time,
eleven hundred, twelve hundred. In the first eleven months of
twenty twenty three, it was thirty three thousand. Why, you know,
you really wonder why, and are these people trying to
(03:21):
escape the Chinese government and all of the problems they
have being under a communist regime, or are they Chinese
operatives that are trying to get into this country to
create problems. I think it's some of both. But how
(03:45):
are they getting out of China? You just don't wake
up in China and say, you know, think I'll take
a flyer, think I'll take a trip and leave like
you do in America. That's not how it works in China.
You got to it's a big deal to get out
of China. And if you've got family there, you got
a real problem if you just up and leave. So
(04:07):
big questions about people coming across the border, who they
are and who they aren't, and and the border guards
down there aren't trying to close the border, they're trying
to control the border. And that was a big revelation
to me.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Now I seen you when you were down the border.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You were saying that you know that fair was that
there was a lot of drug smugglers coming in, and
there was a lot of sex trafficking and sex workers
coming in, and that was one of the biggest fears.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'm often I'm seldom without words. And I asked Brandon Judd,
who's the head of the union for nationally for the
border guards. He was the former border guard, he's now
head of the union. I asked him straight up, these
children that are coming in, they have addresses written on
(04:58):
their arms, the phone number written on their arms. And
I say, so we're contacting those people right and saying
child's coming in with this number. Do you know this child? Yes,
we do. Are you prepared to take this child? Yes?
We are. I said, what are we doing to check
(05:20):
these people out? I said, are we? Is it possible
that we are using our resources and tax dollars to
traffic young children into prostitution, if the sex trade selling
these children or putting them into sweat chops or whatever.
(05:45):
And he said, oh, it's not possible. We are, Wow,
we are. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You
know there's a camera right here over my shoulder. Right,
you're telling me we're spending United States citizens tax dollars
(06:06):
to traffic young children into known sex trade or or sweatshops.
He said absolutely. I said, why have you Why are
you not talking about this? Why are people not talking
about this? And he said, because people aren't asking me
(06:28):
these direct questions like you're asking. And I'm grateful for
it is all.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
To be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
No, of course not. But they're saying, we're overwhelmed down here.
We were sending them on and I said, this is outrageous.
That take the money out of it, that we're funding it.
Just the fact that we're trafficking these young children and
(07:00):
it doesn't make a difference to me whether they're Mexican origin, Syrian, whatever.
They're showing up unaccompanied and where trafficking come on. That's
that's heartbreaking to me, absolutely, that we're doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And that's why I ask.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Is illegal, because she should in charges be bought up
on those people who are at the border who are
allowing those children to get put in the sex traffice.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, you'd think so, yeah, And he said a lot
of these children are getting recycled. You'll see children come through,
and they'll be with a group to make it look
like a family, and we'll see that same child cycle
back through. Here a couple of weeks later, it's the
(07:47):
same kid.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
What a different family.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
They get through, and then they send them back around
and put them with another group and they come back
two or three children come back again.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, let me ask you what you know, of course,
from your show. For years, you've been fixing people's relationships,
fixing people's lives.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
What makes you want to fix America?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
We don't. That's a great question all of our I've
spent twenty one years at CBS doing the show, and
what made up the composition of the show is what
(08:30):
we would get most of the time. Now, sometimes we
do news stories or whatever, but most of the time,
probably eighty five nine percent of the time would be
based on the letters we would get, emails that we
would get from people writing in, and that determined the
content of the show. I didn't want to guess at
(08:52):
what people wanted to hear. We looked at what are
male made up? And so we had choose what was
the most common sort of thing we were getting asked.
And that's changed across time. Think about this. I'm a
little older than you guys, but when I started doctor
(09:15):
Phil in two thousand and two, the first text message
had never been sent. Wow, think about how much has changed.
The first text had never been people weren't doing emails.
And then about eight to nine it was like big
C one thirties flew over the country and dropped smartphones
(09:36):
on everybody. And that changed the world for evermore. And
it was the biggest change in our lives since the
Industrial Revolution. Took place way before our generations, but the
Industrial Revolution changed everything. Right until that time, we were
(09:57):
an agricultural world. Ninety five percent of the people worked
on farms. With the Industrial Revolution, that started changing pretty soon.
It got down to twenty five. Now it's one percent
our agriculture. Everybody else's mechanized, working in tect and all
that sort of stuff that changed the world. I think
(10:20):
smartphones and technology is the biggest change since the Industrial Revolution.
And why think about you're walking around with an iPad
or a phone in your hand that has more computing
power than we had when we put the Man on
the Moon in your hand. I mean, think about that,
(10:42):
the memory, the speed, the computing power, the number of
operations you can do per second, you think it has
been for better or worse. I think it's better, I mean,
but the unintended consequences of it at that same time,
just think about it. Nobody was going through life this way,
you know, head up, looking around, and in eight or nine,
(11:04):
all of a sudden, everybody's head went down looking at
the screen. Walk around now, look out on the streets
of New York. Everybody's heads like this. You know how
many times people check their phones every day?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Too much?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Three hundred and fifty two times a day on average,
That includes old people, not just kids, on average, three
hundred and fifty two times a day. Now you're figure
you sleep eight hours, so that's sixteen during sixteen hours.
They checked their phone three hund and fifty two times
during that those waking hours. And at the same time
(11:40):
that those cell phones came out, we saw the biggest
spikes in depression, anxiety, and loneliness with young people since
records started getting kept. And why because they stopped living
their lives and started watching people live their lives, and
(12:03):
they started comparing their life to the life they were
watching being lived on that phone. And the problem was
the life they were watching was a fiction.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, we watched.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
They spend so much time watching everybody's highlight reel and
comparing their real life to a highlight reel, and.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That highlight reel istake most of the time. I've had
these influencers on the show and they say, I post
this reel up and I'm putting on these great clothes
and all that say so excited going to the NBA
All Star Game tonight, got floors, seats on the floor
and all this stuff. Says, soon as that video's over,
(12:40):
I carefully take those clothes off because they have to
go back. I don't own them, I have to return them.
I couldn't afford to buy those clothes. And then I
put my sweats on and put my happy ass on
the couch. I don't have tickets to the NBA All
Star Games. I'm just doing that, you know, to get followers.
(13:00):
They're just like everybody else. But all these other people
are watching this and saying, God, what a loser am I.
I'm not going to any game. I don't have clothes
like that, And so by comparison, their self esteem and
their self worth goes down, and they say it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I think small phones have ruined the sanity of America,
and I don't think that. I think in the long run,
we're going to realize it wasn't what we thought. It
wasn't as good as we thought it was.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I think the downsides are huge.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't think it's the phones. It's social media more
so than anything.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, it's definitely social media. People don't know. But to
answer your question, why am I focused on America? The
question started changing, the questions started changing. People start saying,
you know, my kids. When I turned sixteen, when I
was three hundred and fifty five days, twenty three hours
(13:58):
and fifty nine minutes old, I was standing at the
DMV to get my driver's license. Right. I wanted that
license because it's freedom. You're right, you can get out
and go. And my first car, my older sister gave me.
It was a Saratoga. It was a Plymouth or Chrysler Saratoga.
I forget what it was. It would only go She
(14:21):
gave it to me because it would only go thirty
eight miles an hour. At thirty nine, it started shaking
so bad because the front end was gone. But I
was so glad to get it because it was freedom right.
They don't even get their driver's license when they turned
sixteen anymore, I don't care. They date later, they start
having sex later, they engage with the world later. On average,
(14:42):
they have less than one good friend because they live
for followers and clicks and all that. So they're not
developing emotionally, and you know, they're depressed, anxious, and lonely.
So the downside is really bad. So the questions started changing.
I had to start dealing with cyber bullying, cyber predators
(15:06):
pretending to be a fourteen year old guy getting a
fourteen year old girl to come out of her bedroom
window and meet them at midnight, and they got there
and it was a forty five year old pedophile that
abducted them and took off. You know, all of these
the questions started changing, and they've continued to change now
where kids are concerned about parents are concerned what are
(15:29):
their kids getting exposed to at school? Are they getting
groomed on the internet. You know, they think they're back
there playing a video game. They don't realize those video
games are Internet capable, and so they're in chat rooms
while they're playing the game. You know, things like that,
And then all of these issues that are now pounding
(15:53):
on families because I think, I think families in America
are under attack, and I think I think the family
unit is the backbone of America, and if that's under attack,
then America gets weakened. And somebody's got to stand up
and call this stuff out. And those are the questions
I'm getting. And I didn't want to write another book.
(16:15):
You know, you've written books, and I felt into a
lot of work.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah, I got another one coming out soon.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, And how much work is it?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
See? This one took me five six years.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, that's what I mean. And that's time away from family.
You got to go get in the room by yourself.
You got to sit down. They're writing and stuff out.
This is the longest book I've written. It's one hundred
thousand words, and you probably write three or four hundred
thousand to get those hundred thousand. It's a lot of work,
a lot of solitude, a lot of but I felt
(16:46):
like I had to write this book. Somebody's got to
call this stuff out. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
In the book, you say, in too many instances, we've
gotten rid of the most important American trade, self determination
and replaced it with victimization. We've gotten rid of conversation
and replaced it with cancelation.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
More on that, Well, this cancel culture should be a
council culture. You know, if you catch somebody with the
wrong words in their mouth, if you catch somebody that
is run a foul or some rule or some guideline
or something, this cancel culture is on them like a
(17:23):
pack of dogs. And you find some tweet or some
posts that somebody did years ago, and maybe they're up
for a job now, promotion now, or they're they're in entertainment,
they're going to host something or get a big part
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in a movie or whatever. But it's not just entertainment people,
it's everybody. HR departments go back and find something and
drag it up now into the future. You know, when
you're fifteen, sixteen, ten years old, you're brain didn't through growing.
You do stupid stuff, you say stupid things, you get drunk.
(18:07):
I think we should have breathalyzers on social media where
you got to you blow point eight, You can't you
can't type, and cancel culture seizes on that and jumps
on that kind of stuff, and I think that's terrible.
It reminds me of George Orwell's nineteen eighty four where
(18:29):
they had language police and new speak and you can
only use these words. And I've done shows on words
we can't use anymore. And you see these colleges and
universities that, like some of these schools now don't have
admissions office to the school because that suggests somebody is
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going to be rejected, so they now have office of
enrollment management.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Think it's too soft now?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I do. And I think when those kids get out
of college and get out into the dog eat dog world,
they're gonna they're gonna cheer them up and spit them.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Out, but they're not gonna go into the world. They're
gonna stay in the house and be on AI beyond,
be in the metaverse.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, that's probably right.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
They're gonna create their own.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Do you think even with parenting now it's it's too soft, right?
We come from an era where it's I know, people say,
you know, if something happens, your pops or your mom
encourage you to get it back up there and go
the next day.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
With now it's like it's more victimization.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, And we have these concierge parents. They fill out
the kids application for school. Uh, if he has a
con he or she has a conflict with a professor,
the parents shows up and does the argument, Uh for
the child. That's not how it works. You know, the
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employer is not gonna think your kid is precious. They're
not gonna think they're the most precious little in the world.
They're going to fire their dead ass, get somebody in
there to do the job. And we're not preparing the
kid for the next level of life. And we've got
to do that. We ar getting it is too soft.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
The reason I do agree that parents should be showing
up to talk to these adults sometimes because to the
point you're making in this book, Man, there's a lot
of unstable people out here. There's a lot of unstable adults.
And sometimes when I'm hearing my daughter, who's fifteen, talk
to some of these teachers, just the way she's describing
about describing.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Them, I'm like, something's not right. So I think I
need to go talk to this parent.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And I'm talking to this teacher and I've seen it firsthand,
looking in these eyes, like, yeah, something's not right there.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, you're right. We've got some people that are way
out of bounds, and parents need to step in, But
they don't need to smooth out every bump in the childhood.
Some kids, I think all kids need to fall and
scrape their knee. Kids need to resolve some issues. You know,
(21:04):
A kid that's been bullied a little bit, a kid
that's been experienced some failure, a kid that's been through
some tough issues is going to be better equipped for
life than a kid that's never been allowed to experience
any that. A kid that's been success only journey throughout
their life. That you know, during the pandemic, these parents
(21:29):
that went around wiping everything down with these sanitary wipes
and stuff. Their kids when they got back out in
the world had terrible coals and flu because their immune
system got weakened because mom was going around wiping everything
down so much that their immune system didn't have to work,
and so they were more vulnerable when they got back
(21:51):
out there. It's the same way with life. Have you
guys ever looked into these trigger warnings, any trigger warning,
like the majority of colleges use trigger warnings. I looked
at one the other day. They had a trigger warning
for Romeo and Juliet said, alert suicidality. Well, spoiler alert, come.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
On I wonder if people would even come to that
conclusion about that movie if you didn't tell them beforehand.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, you know what I mean, you probably just watched.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The movie and get something totally different from it. But
I think that they're telling people what to feel.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Or they're protecting their own ass.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well, here's the thing. All these trigger warnings they talk about.
You know, this might have some violence in it, This
might have something about raping it. This might have something
about sex or drugs, sex, drugs, drug addicts, addiction, or whatever.
The truth is, there's been a there is a big
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body of research about this that says trigger warnings do
not work. In fact, trigger warnings create the anxiety that
they're trying to keep you away from. Just seeing the
trigger warning creates the anxiety. Not only do they not work,
they're a negative. And the fact is there's a there's
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evidence and what we call evidence based treatments that say,
that's not how you handle that. If somebody is sensitized
to that sort of thing, what you do? There are
treatments for that. There's evidence based therapies such as systematic desensitization,
immersion therapy, dialectical behavior therapy where you teach someone to
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learn to cope with it. You don't put them in
another room so they can avoid it, because when they
get out in life, they're not gonna be able to
avoid it. So you teach them coping skills so when
it pops up, they know how to handle that. So
there's a huge body of literature out there that says
trigger warnings don't work. Those colleges have the same access
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to that literature that I do, which means they know
they don't work, just like I know they don't work.
But yet they continue to use them. Why they're virtue signaling.
They're just trying to show, Hey, we're super sensitive over here,
so come give us your money. And I think they
know they're doing the kid wrong, they know they're doing
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the student wrong. They do it anyway.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I want to go back to the border right because
you called out the Vice President Kamala Harris and the
Biden border crisis, and you called it the humanitarian crisis
unlike anything we've ever seen before. Is it fair to
blame Justice administration for what's going on?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
To the board, No, And I didn't call them out.
I said the current administration is doing it about this
started under the previous administration, it started jumping up. Nobody's
handled this. The Republicans haven't handled it, the Democrats haven't
handled it. It's gotten worse now because there was an
(25:08):
order in place to hold in Mexico. They took that
down and so they don't stop them in Mexico now.
So that caused an influx. But this has never been
a healthy situation. And I'll tell you why. For years.
If you, let's say, you want to do it right,
(25:32):
so you process in, you ask for you know, the
proper you go through the proper channels, and so you're
going to get a court date. The average is at
least seven years. If you truly are concerned for your
(25:53):
family safety and well being, who's going to wait seven years? Yeah,
I'm at you say, I'm as here and so I
need I need help. I need to get out of this.
I'm in danger. I need to come here for help.
It's great, here's your court date. Check back with us
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in seven years. If they're truly in a dangerous situation,
chances are pretty good they'll be dead in seven years.
You can't give people a seven year date and expect
them to just say, okay, well we'll go back and
get shot at or starved, or go through all of
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the dangers that we're going through. What do you expect
people to do? If I was in another country and
I truly felt like they were going to come around
with jack boots and kick my door in and kill
my children or me or put us all in jail
or whatever you be. Mice would be in that river.
That's what it took. I'm going to protect my family.
(27:02):
Wouldn't you absolutely do whatever you have to do. We
can't cross system the exactly. You can't create a system
that's broken and then criticize people for doing what they
have to do to save them selves down. A lot
of people aren't really in that situation. They just say
they are. But how do you sort that out? Well,
the first thing you do is, we don't need eighty
(27:22):
six thousand new IRS agents. How about eighty six thousand
new people in the in the border system where we
can process people and get them in here. Right A,
we need them and by they want to come here,
let's let's meet people where they are, let's accommodate their needs,
let's get them here.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
But you know that's also the other issue, right A
lot of people in this country feel like they're accommodating
the needs of the migrants more so and accommodating the
needs of the everyday American. They're looking at these migrants
and they feel like they're getting basic necessities like shelter,
you know, like like food, and they're starving in the
cities that they're in. That's the other issue that's popping
(28:05):
up now.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And that's true in some situations. I mean they are
it is a crisis. So they're saying, your situation, you've
found a way to get from day to day to day.
These people are showing up and they're standing in the rain.
That's a humanitarian crisis. So we're reacting to the America.
Of course, of course it is. And two wrongs don't
(28:31):
make a right. You can't leave these people standing in
the rain. You've been ignoring these people all this time.
Those two wrongs don't make a right.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, America does not do a good job at solving
problems at all.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah. I put forth in the book ten principles for
a healthy society, and one of them is stop trying
to win arguments and focus on solving problems. And there's
a huge difference between winning an argument and actually solving
a problem. If you're going to solve a problem, and
(29:02):
you can tell when you're talking to somebody whether they're
trying to win an argument or they're actually trying to
come up with an action oriented solution to change a situation.
If it's the latter, they'll sit down and say, Okay, first,
let's see what we agree on. I know we have differences,
(29:25):
but let's see what we agree on. Now, how can
I help you get what you need? How can you
help me get what I think is important? And let's
come up with some action steps to change this versus
yelling at each other or being a right fighter. If
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you put a gun to their head and said all right,
you need to come up with an action plan in
five hours or we're going to pull the trigger, I
guarantee you things would get done. Yeah. Now, we just
can't do that. But the problem is we got people
in charge of solving problems that don't really want to
solve them because their job depends on having that problem.
(30:11):
They need that problem justify their existence. They need that
problem to maintain this huge bureaucracy, to maintain this big budget,
this big agency. They need that problem to exist. I
think we've got people in charge of solving problems that
are not problem solvers.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Who you think would be the best person to solve
the problem at the board to trum Trumpelbiden.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't think either one of them made any traction
on it. I think you need to get somebody down there.
I think if the government would step back and let
somebody go down there that had a budget and was
accountable for it, you could work this out. You could
work this out. It's you know, the government gets involved,
(30:58):
and that's why they pay three hundred and forty five
dollars for ten dollars hammer. If you've got somebody involved
that's accountable to the bottom line, they would figure this out.
You would vet these people, get them in here and
put them to work. We need the people, We need
the workers. We need the workers. This is such a
(31:22):
difficult situation, but is also a solution to an important problem.
We need these migrants in America. We need them.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
A lot of people say, why do you think People
say that, you know, the migrant's taking our jobs.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Well, you know, they may be taking some jobs at
the low low end of the employment continuum, but I
think that is much less of a problem than people
really think it is. And a lot of these migrants
(31:59):
coming in are a lot more educated than people think
they are. I mean they're they're coming in with a
lot of them are coming in with bachelor's degrees. A
lot of them are coming in with skill sets uh
in in carpentry, plumbing, electrical that really have something to contribute.
(32:22):
And we've got a supply chain that's paralyzed, You've got
problems getting capacitors, you've got you've got all kinds of
things that have slowed down commerce that so many migrants
could help.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Why do people act like what's happening currently in America
is normal?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Why are we acting like this? All of this stuff
is normal?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's like this especially in politics, Like you got a
guy who's got ninety one criminal charges for foreigndictments too, impeachments,
you know, lettingn attempted call it his country, Like why
are we acting like this is just business as usual?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I think part of it is I've got a study
that I talk about in the book that goes back
to nineteen fifty and compares it to now. The percentage
of people that are afraid to express their opinion has
tripled in the last seventy five years. People are afraid
(33:30):
to speak up.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
That's your principal number six, right, Yeah, yeah, And I
say salentges so this can remain comfortable.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, because now people say, if I say something, it's
gonna piss somebody off and they're gonna come after me.
I'm better off just keep my mouth, shut my head down.
I'm not gonna say anything. I'm not gonna say anything now.
I don't talk politics for a different reason. I don't
know enough about it to talk about it. I don't
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think a lot of people that talk about it know
enough about it talk about it. I'm just willing to
admit it.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But you've got common sense, though, you know right from wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I do, and I know policies and legislations and all that,
but we can look with our eyeballs and see when
something isn't right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, it's you know, That's what I said when Hamas
attacked Israel. I don't know geopolitics. I don't know all
of that, and I don't know the several thousand year
history of that part of the world. But I know
(34:35):
when an infant is murdered in their crib, that's wrong.
I don't. Yeah, I don't need to be a politician
to know that's wrong. And when I was listening to
all that and I was going to speak on it,
I talked to the Israeli Consulates that I am going
(34:57):
to speak on this because I think it's terrible. I
was hearing things on college campuses that were so close
to what the Hitler youth rallies were saying. I thought
I'd never hear that in my lifetime, but I said,
I got to see this with my own eyes. I
can't go just on hearsay. And so the IDF, Israeli
(35:22):
Consolate and the Israeli Defense Force came to my house
underguard with classified footage and showed me what had gone
on in that invasion, with footage that's still not been released.
And I knew then that what I was hearing was
(35:44):
was true and accurate.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
But then you got Gossham where it's thirty thousand dead
in Gossam. They say mostly those people are women and children.
So it's just like it's the same.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You know, No, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You don't think it's the same.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Hell no, it's not the same. Someone one that is
killed in an act of war. Dropping a bomb and
there's collateral damage is not the same as invaders coming
in and attacking non combatants and killing children in their beds.
(36:21):
That there's no moral equivalent to that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
You don't think that we should at least try to
protect the innocent.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Absolutely, But you can't invade and then go back and
hide in a school and say, okay, here I am,
so you can't you can't attack me now because I'm
hiding in a school. No, you can't hide in a
school and be safe. And if you did, first off,
(36:47):
that's a war crime to do that, and you can't
do that. Is it terrible that all of these people
are being killed Palestinians in the Gaza. Is that's horrible?
And I think every effort needs to be made to
minimize that, to hold that down, and anything that can
(37:10):
be done to make surgical assaults and get into those
tunnels and do everything you can to not harm civilians,
certainly children or whatever. That you should be held to
the highest possible standard in that regard.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
So if we saw that at America, if somebody went
to a school a mass shooter, and you know, the
people showed up in the school and they said, hey,
we got to blow up the whole school in order
to get the mass shooter.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
We would not go for that doctor.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Of course, not, of course not. That would be horrible
and unacceptable. You can't do that. But you can't let
these people come and do what they did and then
run back and hide among innocent people. And everybody says,
well, we need a ceasefire. We had a ceasefire on October sixth,
(38:06):
we had a ceasefire. Then on October seventh they did this.
So what are you supposed to do? You have to
try to root these people out, and there's not a
there's not an easy way to do that. And I
hope and pray the Palestinians will run Hamas out of
(38:30):
there and and you know, get them out because I
don't think it's about Palestine. I think it's about Iran.
But I'm not a politician, and I certainly don't understand
the geopolitical forces that are there. And what bothers me
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as much as anything is that we've got American students
that are cheering on these murderers. I mean instantly I
saw a sign, you know, gaze for Palestine. Well, games
would get killed and walk that into the guys the
strip and see how far you get me? Are they
(39:12):
not teaching them critical thinking?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
No, I don't that That goes back to what we're
talking about with social media. I truly feel like a
lot of folks go on social media and they go
on there to see how they should feel about something,
like how you can sit here and say I don't
know about this issue, or I can say I don't
know about the issue.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
They won't do that.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
They'll go on social media and see what the math
majority of people on social media are thinking about something,
and they start parroting those talking points. And that's not
just with that situation, that's just with a lot of situations.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, I saw a staff the other day that and
I probably shouldn't go into much detail on it because
I don't have the resource at the front of my brain.
But a scary number, I mean, I'm talking way over
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fifty percent of young people get one hundred percent of
their news from TikTok.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Jesus Christ. That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
One hundred percent of their news, not like they get
some and they don't verify it. One hundred percent of
their news from TikTok. And I put a clip up
of my trip to the border. Just a small clip.
It was maybe twenty seconds, thirty seconds. I posted it
(40:35):
up on Facebook and Instagram and it was a part
of me talking to him about trafficking these children, and
maybe fifteen eighteen seconds, and it was up about fifty
minutes and going viral super fast. I mean, like tens
(40:57):
of thousands of views in a matter of just a
few minutes. It was just going just straight vertical and
then bang, it just stopped. I mean it didn't like
slow down or like people lost interest in it. It
stopped and got it got shut down. Wow, they just
(41:26):
the algorithm. They just shut it down and you couldn't
see it.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
That happens to a lot of our content too, especially
anytime you're talking politics and anything like that.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
YouTube has been suppressing us for some years.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, it was shut down on the YouTube and it
was shut down on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook. How do you
feel about that?
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I feel like what you said in chapter seven, we're
doing our enemies work for them, because you know, you're
stifling freedom of speech and you're you know, not letting
people see the truth for themselves, and you're just letting
them run with this false information that maybe out they're
on social media about a lot of these these things
that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
That's see, here's the thing. We're guaranteed free speech under
the First Amendment, but what it says is the government
will pass no law. Okay, and the government hasn't. We're
doing this to each other. We're muzzling each other. What
the hell is up with that? Right, We're mussling each other.
(42:28):
That's what's so disturbing to me. And you said, you
asked the question that I should have been asking a
long time ago, So I'll probably steal that and take
credit when you're not around. Why are we acting like
this as normal?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
This going on. You know, they're shutting down y'all's content.
They're shutting down my content. And they shut it down
because it was border and children and it and people
were getting up so by the oh no, we can't,
we can't have this, we can't have this. And this
wasn't me out there spewing hate or something. And it
(43:13):
was really interesting. I think what feeds the what feeds
the algorithm sometimes and gets it on the attention of
the people that go nope, is fifteen percent of the
comments that we went our cyber security people went in
and looked at this. I can I can show it
(43:34):
to you. Fifteen percent of the comments were from a
Chinese website that's locked. You can't get into it. But
it's from a Chinese website that was posting this stuff up,
probably saying this is horrible, should be taken down, horrible
taking down, horl taken down, but you can't get it.
It's in Chinese and my Chinese is a little rusty,
(43:56):
but you can pull up the site, but you can't
get on it's locked. And fifteen percent of the comments
on that video we're from it from one Chinese website.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
We've done that before.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
We've looked at uh, like you know, you'll see these
attacks that will happen sometimes, you know, and people will
be saying certain things, you like, where's this narrative coming from?
And so we've done like a digital forensics and it's
been the same thing.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Like a bunch of bots from India.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, and people think that when we talk about bots
that you know, you got somebody in their grandmother's basement
and they've got like ten phony accounts or something. These
bot farms are in the millions, that's right.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
They do camp, it's a campaign. People will go hire
people to do campaigns.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, and it's in the millions. And they change and
some of these these bots, these phony accounts are like
ten or twelve years old, and they have followers and
they follow each other. It's it's all intertwined. So I'm
gonna sound like anspiracy theorist here, but this is totally verifiable.
(45:04):
And they'll just change the content that they're putting out.
It can be, you know, about the economy, and then
it can be about hate speech, or it can be
about they just change what they talk about. But they're
in the million. And if you if you say something
(45:25):
that's controversial and they put a bot farm after you,
then all of a sudden, it seems like the entire
world hates this woman. And if you parse out all
of the bots, and then those bots start driving opinion,
and then real people start comments and say they jump
on the bandwagon, it's it's it's insane, and that's that's
(45:48):
a bad consequence of technology.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
And it's not even just social media to it's the
news networks, right because Fox News, like say, if I'm
having a conversation and I'm I'm critical of Donald Trump,
and I'm saying he's a threat to democracy, but I'm
also saying, hey, Joe Biden is an uninspiring candidate, right.
Fox News will take the uninspiring candidate clip, amplify that
all on their platform all day long, and then the
people on the left, instead of focusing on what I
(46:11):
said about Trump and him being atten democracy, they'll focus
on the.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Clip that Fox News pushed out there. So I'm like,
who are y'all working for?
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Fox Newles knows how to push their narrative.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I feel like seeing MSNBC don't really know how to
push their.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
And the reason is they don't know how to identify
an enemy and target that and go at it in
a targeted fashion. And that's the thing. If you're going
to do this effectively, You've got to get an identified enemy,
an identified enemy to rally around, rally the troops around
that enemy, that comment, and it's the cause celebrate, and
(46:49):
that's what makes a campaign to shut somebody down or
get people to really get up in arms. You got
to identify an enemy, identify the cause, and then set
forth an agenda. And that's what mainstream America doesn't.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Do very well, and the left does it. But they
do it to their own. Yes, the right stay focused.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
On the left and taking them out. The left end
up taking out each other.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're doing it to ourselves.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
Oh my god, we've got issues.
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The new book is out right now, How you can
stand strong for America's soul insanity, Doctor Phil.
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We appreciate you for joining us. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
You don't come up here enough, doctor, because I want
to talk to you about why do you feel in
the medical industry is pushing transgender ideology on children?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
But I guess maybe we'll save that for another time.
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We'll do it another time, because what we want to
talk about. Thank you guys for having me.
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It's doctor philm It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake
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