INTERVIEW: Dr.Jill Stein & Dr.Butch Ware On Running As Green Party Candidates, Trump Vs Kamala, Israel Gaza War

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that answer up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning,
everybody is dj n V.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club
law and Rosa is filling in for Jess. And we
have our sister Angela Rae with us this morning helping
us out. And we got some special guests joining us.
We have doctor Jill Stein welcome, hello, and doctor Butch.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Where good wepening, Yes, good morning in the building.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Y'all are a Green Party presidential candidate in running mate,
Tell the people what is the Green Party and how
are they different from the Democrats and the republic.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Well, for one thing, we don't take money from billionaires
and bankers in APAC and Wall Street and the war machine.
So we're a people powered party. That's what makes us
totally different. That's what liberates us to actually tell it
like it is and to stand up and fight for
the people, for the healthcare that we need as a
human right, for the housing that we need. Because half

(00:52):
half of America right now, half of all renters, are
struggling to keep a roof over their heads. That's not
a surprise, I'm sure to the listener on this program.
You know, eighty seven million people don't have the health
care that we need. Our schools are in crisis. We
got forty four million people carrying student debt, and you know,
and a climate crisis. Yet we're spending half of our

(01:13):
congressional dollars on the endless war machine, bringing us the
likes of the genocide in Gaza and beyond. We got
three you know, nuclear wars in the making right now.
You know, this is where our dollars are going half
of our congressional budget. It's twelve thousand dollars on average
per household in America to keep this endless war machine
going right now. Yet we have such urgent and dire needs,

(01:36):
especially among communities of color and African Americans. We've got
really critical needs that we need to be meeting. And
that's what the Green Party is about, actually fighting for people,
planet and peace over profit.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
What would you say to people that feel like the
Green Party is really taking votes away from Democrats and
it's a disrupt a lot of people, especially a lot
of older people. When you talk about other parties outside
of Republican and Democrats, they say, oh, all they're doing
is being disrupting. They're just taking the votes away from
other parties. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 (02:07):
So that's kind of the propaganda of the power machine
that wants you to stay in your place basically, and
to think that resistance is futile and think that you
don't own your vote. I mean, who owns your vote?
Politicians have to earn your vote. They don't own it.
And that's the question, are they earning your vote? You know,
when you actually look at our condition, people are facing

(02:29):
a crisis really in every dimension of our lives, and
it's not getting better yet our resources are being squandered.
Sixty eight percent of Americans want an immediate ceasefire and
an end to the genocide sixty eight percent. Yet you
can hardly get a single vote on that behalf in Congress,
and you're getting a standing ovation per minute for that
war criminal that Yahoo, you know, who is carrying out

(02:53):
this genocide which could be ended with a simple phone
call from the president, just like Reagan did, just like
Eisenhower did before him. The US is in charge. This
is our genocide going on right now, and don't let
them talk you into voting for genocide. If you vote
for genocide, you're endorsing it. You're enabling it. We can
stop it. We actually have the power. And I'll just

(03:13):
quote two people Frederick Douglass who said power concedes nothing
without a demand. The empire is trying to talk you
out of your demand right now. But we have that demand.
We have the numbers to make the demand. We got
the solutions, we've got a system, we have an analysis
which actually works, and we got to stand up and
make that demand. They're trying to shame you and blame
you out of making that demand that belongs to us.

(03:35):
Our vote is our power and a democracy. Don't let
them talk you out of it. And the second thing
is Alice Walker, the novelist and poet who said the
biggest way people give up power is by not knowing
we have it to start with. We got the power
if you look at the numbers, if you look at
the values, if you look at the solutions that are
out there, they're out there really waiting for us to
stand up and demand them. And if we don't know,

(03:57):
that's that's at our apperil us, that we're making a
mess out of the world. You know, we've committed some
like eighty regime change operations since the Second World War,
what's going on in Gaza is a it's like a microcosm.
It's like a symbol of empire and colonialism kind of
run amok. But it's not the only place, you know.
I mean, we've been rolling out slow motion genocides all

(04:17):
over the world for quite some time, and you know
this is catching up to us. We are no longer
the dominant power around the world. Power is shifting. We
need to shift with it. We can no longer be
giving marching orders to the rest of the world. We
need to stand up like an adult and be part
of a global community and a shared power structure.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
And if you can just tag me in right here, Jill,
I'll go back to the first question, right, how is
it different? So when I was evaluating and got caught
onto the ticket three weeks ago, okay, and I had
done an Instagram live with doctor Joe Stein, and I
asked her a couple of questions. I had just posted
a real where Kamala Harris had been asked about reparations Harris. Okay,
Kamala Harris had been had been posted about reparations. I

(05:01):
posted a real where she was talking about it, and
she was asked and she you know, sort of went
around for about ninety seconds, and then she ended by saying,
I will never do anything that only helps black people.
In other words, it was a rising tide, lift all boats.
We're gonna have social policies and stuff that helps black
folks by default. So I asked doctor Jill in the interview,
what's your position on reparations, and she said, they behave

(05:22):
as though it's incalculable, but it has been calculated by
specialists many times. It's between ten and thirteen trillion dollars US.
And I'm in favor of payments cash payments to the
descendants of the enslaved. So had my attention with that right.
The second point is I said, well, we know that
you have been at the forefront of the struggle for
Palestine liberation, and as an anti Zionist Jewish white woman,

(05:44):
that is a powerful statement, especially seeing you get arrested
at you know, pro Palestine rally. So I know where
you stand on Gaza and we wouldn't be talking if
you didn't stand in that place. This was before I
was on the ticket, But I said, what's your overall
vision of foreign policy? And she said, to dismantle the
American empire, and I said, yeah, and you better hurry

(06:04):
up quick and do it before somebody do it for you. Right,
that those two processes look very different. If you take
the trillion dollars a year that are being thrown away
murdering other people's children in foreign countries, and instead of
put that into investments in infrastructure, into social housing, into
healthcare in this country, then that looks like a flourishing,
prosperous future, not.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Just for Black America but for all of America. Right.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Whereas if you continue to torment humanity with the most
brutal imperialist state ever to exist in human history, that
we're coming up on a nine to eleven more. Al Right,
Jill and I are going to do something on March
in Detroit. Well, what did Malcolm say about chickens coming
home to roost? If we keep exporting this violence all

(06:47):
over the globe, then it is going to keep coming
right back here to our homes. And that's something that
doesn't just concern black and brown folk. That's something that
concerned all folk. Last thing that I'll say on this
in response to here to your question, v I, would
you know one version that we get to that question?
You know regularly is like what you're throwing your vote away?
You know, right, that's the other version of it, Okay.

(07:09):
And the thing is is in this broke electoral college.
And by the way, the Green Party stands for abolishing
the electoral college, okay, And so that hangover from slavery
and bringing in ranked choice voting in all voting systems
so that you're not putting people on opposite sides where
they bang on each other. Right, the real criminal Red
and Blue is not the honorable street organizations like the

(07:30):
Bloods and the Crypts. The real criminal gangs red and
Blue are the Democrats and Republicans, and right now they're
being encouraged to bang on each other in public. If
you have ranked choice voting, then people are going to
be drawn to the middle rather than drawn to extremes.
But let's go back to the question about throwing your
vote away in this electoral college system. All y'all throwing
your votes away because unless you live in one of

(07:52):
them four or five swing states, it has already decided
that your state is going to go either blue or
Red before you ever.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Get into the booth.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
So instead of throwing your vote away on team Red
or Team Blue when it don't make no difference in
the state that you in, Why not vote for reparations?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Now? Why not vote for a ceasefire? Now? Why not build.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Power in a green party that is going to give
people an actual, viable third party alternative so that we
can get these thugs on either side of the aisle
to behave like grown folks.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Well, so you raise an interesting point around throwing your
vote away, and there's actually numbers on that, doctor Sin.
You raised over seven point three million dollars for a
recount in twenty sixteen, a recount of votes that probably
actually do matter. In Michigan, for example, you acquired fifty

(08:41):
four hundred and sixty three votes. Of course, Donald Trump
beat Hillary Clinton by ten thousand, seven hundred and four votes,
and she lost by half a percentage point. In Michigan
and Wisconsin, thirty one thousand six votes you acquired. Trump
beat Hillary Clinton by twenty two one hundred and seventy
seven votes. In Pennsylvania forty nine thousand, four hund eighty
five votes, and Donald Trump be her by a little

(09:02):
over sixty seven thousand votes. You engaged in raising money
for a recount because our votes actually do matter. Can
you talk about the results of that recount in those
three states that I just named.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Sure, and let me say that every vote counts, you know,
and we believe because every vote counts. That's why we
don't want the electoral College telling us that some states
matter and others don't. We believe. And in terms of
how we are conducting our campaign, we're in swing states,
we're in red states, we're in blue states. We are
all about building power and really helping to help people

(09:38):
to grab the power that belongs to us. The fallacy
there which is what you know the Democrats in particular
harp on, and it's not true the idea that votes
for Greens came at the expense of votes for Hillary Clinton.
We actually know from in fact from exit poll and

(10:00):
just from talking to people, people who vote for us,
and it's about sixty one percent of everybody who votes
for us would not have come out to vote. So
those votes didn't come from Hillary Clinton, and some of
them actually came from Trump to So if you actually
crunch the numbers, what you see is that the outcome
would not have changed at all. Uh if we weren't

(10:22):
in there. Yes, no, no electoral college vote would have
changed exactly none. If you calculate the fact, sixty percent,
sixty one percent of our votes would not have voted
one bit and of the remaining.

Speaker 7 (10:34):
To do that calculation, but the only thing I'd be
glad to share it with you. No, No, I'm not.
Actually I'm a lawyer because I don't do math like that.
We don't really know that. Like, folks come in even
and you all know this too, you right, Folks will
say Ralph.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Vader, who was one of about six third party candidates
in that election, But you don't.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
Know what my point was going to be.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
He's going to that, Folks will say, and it's happened
Hillary Clinton, has happened to Kamla Harris, has happened Donald Trump.
Folks will say in a poll that they were going
to vote or they are going to vote for this person.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
That's true. You never know. But we also know that
one out of every three voters did not vote in
the last presidential election in twenty twenty. One out of
every three eligible voters chose not to vote. And who
were they? They were largely disproportionately of color, young, and
low income, exactly the people to whom our agenda speaks.

(11:28):
So you know, a lot about voting is indeterminate, and
it's not going to be predicted by polls because polls,
you know, are by definition people who tend to vote.
But what we're talking to are people who tend not
to vote. Don't they also deserve a vote? And let
me also cite the statistics that show the numbers are
off the charts right now in terms of people who

(11:48):
want other options. This is sampled every year by Gallup
and also by Pew. But Gallup shows that the numbers
now are sixty three percent who are saying that the
two parties, the two parties are doing such a bad
job of serving the public interest that sixty three percent
say we need another option, we need another major party.

(12:10):
So it's like, amidst all this indeterminate stuff, and you're
absolutely right, you can't predict a lot of this. Are
we going to clamp down and say, therefore shut down choices,
therefore shut down options when that's what people are demanding?
Who and why are people demanding it? Because they've been
thrown under the bus for long enough by both parties
and they really want other options. So what we're saying is,

(12:32):
let's give people those other options. If you're concerned about
splitting the vote, so called spoiled elections, there's a solution
for that. It's called ranked choice voting. We have been
pushing that for twenty years and the Democrats keep shutting
it down. Why do they shut it down because they
want to extort your vote. They want to be able
to use fear campaigning and smear campaigning because they don't
want to face the music. Oh, it's hardly a new charge. No,

(12:54):
we can document that.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Another question was addressed to question.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah, I just want to say to add a piece
to it. And this has come you know, since like
I joined the campaign, reached out to colleagues. Dahlia Mulgahead
a key researcher at ISPU Institute for Social Policy and Understanding.
So these are publicly available numbers, and this goes to
the heart of the question that you asked about previous elections,

(13:18):
but it's about this upcoming one.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
And then it's.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
About like where we actually are so key swing states Pennsylvania, Michigan,
and Georgia. Okay, these are all for demographic purposes, essentially
the same state, similar proportion of African Americans, similar proportion
of Muslims. There's little differences in the way that they're comprised,
but specifically for the Muslim and Black populations are these

(13:41):
are very similar states. So in twenty twenty, Joe Biden
received sixty five percent of the Muslim vote in those states,
and Joe Biden would not have won any of those
states without getting that big majority amongst the Muslim vote.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
January twenty twenty four, twelve percent of the vote according
to polling polling yes, from sixty five percent to twelve percent. Okay,
And the polling says, well, why Gaza, right, So, so
eighty percent of the people that have have bailed said
that Gaza is the reason, even if that's for people

(14:15):
that were Trump voters, that's for people that were Biden voters.
The Muslim community has already been lost and it's not
coming back. And the thing is is that in those
swing states you are never getting the Muslim vote vote back,
which means, in point of fact, if we know this,
then the Democrats have for sure known this. They are
not winning any of those swing states without those Muslim
voting impossible. Dead man walking, bro, Like, I'm serious, it

(14:38):
is a zombie.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Well, there will show. But right now they're looking like, yeah, yeah,
so that's the point.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, yeah, So that's what.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
They're showing is that it's upwards of seventy percent of
those that are walking away from from the Democratic Party
are walking towards third third party candidates. So in point
of fact, only about five percent eight percent. I'm just
there were two different numbers from two different points in
time that Dahalia had cited, so it was somewhere between
five and ten percent are going towards Trump. It's a

(15:07):
very small number, a very small number are remaining uncommitted.
The overwhelming majority are going third party. And this was
before it became clear right that the Green Party was
going to be the strongest of those three parties. So
then another poll run by the Council on American Islamic
Relations CARE showed just last week that that in the
Muslim community nationwide now now not just talking about those

(15:29):
three swing states, but nationwide had us polling neck and
neck with Kamala Harris. And actually a new poll was
just released that came out this morning. I didn't get
the chance to verify it whether it's a scientific poll
or not, that we're not leading in that race.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
You guys are you're saying that you're competing in red
states in battleground states. I'm sorry, y'all, you'll jumping too,
but let's keep going. You know what I'm saying, there
are at least thirteen states where you all are not
like on the ballot or folks would have to write

(16:03):
you in or there it's still contested. You're actively petitioning,
for example, to be on the ballot in Rhode Island.
So in those states where there are also Muslim people
who you're saying you're winning over based on a poll,
that you're going to find the information for what options
do they have? This is if this is a fifty
straight state strategy, y'all are short by thirteen.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
So in every state except for three there are three
states that don't allow writ in writing campaigns, but wright
ins are doable campaigns. Joe Biden himself won a write
in in New Hampshire because he was not in the
primary for various Yeah. Right, but even so, even in

(16:43):
a primary, he ran a write in campaign and did fabulous.
So having the ability to do a right and if
the community is really motivated and.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
In the overwhelming majority of states, we are actually.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
On the way we are. We will be on his
right ends in all the states, with the exception of
I think it's South Dakota.

Speaker 8 (17:06):
Indiana, and Oklahoma.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
That's right, those three states.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
We are on the ballot right ends, yes, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Well, so we will be a choice, an anti genocide,
anti war, pro worker, pro reparations, climate emergency choice, and
the only one which has nationwide status. We will be
on the ballot for ninety five percent of voters. That
is more than enough to win an election. But you know,

(17:33):
I don't want to just focus on winning the election.
This is an odd election and I would not rule
out a win, but that's not the only reason to run.
Every vote cast for our campaign is a vote against genocide.
It is a shot across the bow of the endless
war machine to say that we the people are getting organized,

(17:55):
we are moving forward, we are growing. We have organization
and infrastructure that we have never had before. We've never
been able to break through like we are now because
Greens have been ahead of the curve on a lot
of things like climate change, on reparations, on healthcare as
a human right, on housing as a human right, also
on gaza and genocide. We've been very much ahead of

(18:17):
the curve and on cutting the military budget. We're spending
as much as the next ten major military budgets around
the world right now, we're more than all ten of
them put together. We can cut our military budget, which
is not benefiting us here in America, and put those
dollars into what we critically need right here and right now.

(18:39):
We should have. We need to be raising the floor
for schools across the country. Why should this quality of
your school depend on luxury housing in your community? Housing
should schools should not depend only on property taxes from housing.
The federal government should be in the business of raising
the floor so that we have a common standard across

(19:00):
the country, so regardless of your zip code, you have good,
high quality education where you're starting out. Things like that
is where we need to be spending our money, not
on endless war, on genocide, on killing children, on massacring
women and children every day. You know, the police violence
in this country. We don't need that police violence, and

(19:22):
there are alternatives to that they can actually move us forward.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, go, we're a candidate in twenty twelve, twenty sixteen,
what's the difference in twenty twenty four, Oh.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Man, it's the difference between night and day. You know.
It's the thing about being ahead of the curve and
then the curve catches up to you. Curve is catching
up to us on all the things. Really our agenda,
in fact, the agenda that we've been putting forward since
twenty twelve really is the progressive democratic agenda right now.
Healthcare is a human right, housing is a human right.

(19:51):
Reparations to the extent that they give it lip service
to the Green New Deal.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
Yeah, you want to if you're not planning to win
an election.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
We said we wasn't planning.

Speaker 8 (20:00):
I'm saying it's not the only understand candidate. To hear
that from a candidate, it kind of gives like, well.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Why are you here? Then it does sound.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
Like may I go in on this please? Because I
would not have joined this campaign. I would not have
come out of like, you know, prestigious position in the
academy and organizing if I didn't think that we had
a chance to win this fight. Look, I'm converted to
Islam after reading the autobiography of Malcolm X at age fifteen.
Malcolm brought me into knowledge of self, brought me to Islam.

(20:32):
School me on the black radical tradition. I've been teaching
and building this community. I speak fluent Waloff, lived in
West Africa for years. I got a good life and
I'm not coming out of that in order to play
no spoiler. So I was raising that Black Muslim tradition,
and just like Muhammad Ali, I came in because I
believe we have a chance to shock the world. And
I know that the deck is stacked against us. But

(20:53):
this right here is part of our strategy, right because
what happens is is that when people hear this agenda
and understand that we're talking about erasing the generational wealth
gap now right, having a bunch of black Wall Streets
and new Tulsas that we can establish now, not another
one hundred years. Not going with your hands out to
the Democrats, like Malcolm said, where they, you know, treat

(21:13):
you like a political chump. You put them first, they
put you last. As Malcolm said, we erase that in
this generation we build black businesses, Black Wall Street and
they can't burn it down this time. So by appearing
in a form like this, what is going to happen
is we're going to get on a debate stage and
when this woman goes up on the debate state exactly, well,
who knows. But the point is that as soon as

(21:34):
we are in the mainstream media conversation exactly we have
a watch party tonight, we.

Speaker 8 (21:38):
Have a response. We will be doing a response meet
qualifications for.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
The correct qualifications established by an exclusionary framework. His goal
is to silence and throw off the ballots for voters.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
Threshold for you to be pulling it at least fifteen percent.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Well before that, there wasn't a fifteen percent threshold when
this was run, when it was run by the League
of Women Voters, before it was hijacked by the private
corporations of the Democratic and Republican parties, before they were
in charge. It was whether or not you actually were
going to be a choice for enough voters across the
country that you could potentially win the election. So we

(22:19):
have satisfied that criterion, the basic criteria I mean as
a voter, because polls are self fulfilling, they are self
fulfilling prophecies. If you're in the poll, as determined by
whatever you know, private polling agency, If you are in
the polls, people are going to know about you. If
you're not even being polled people want, they don't.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
They do not predict outcomes, they produce them.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
And if people are saying, if people are screaming for
other choices, don't they have a right to hear those
other choices?

Speaker 8 (22:45):
I think they do.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
But I think that what you what you have are
people that need a certain level of validity to the campaign.
I will you will not hear Donald Trump or Kamala
Harris tonight on this debate stage saying hey, it's not
just about us winning.

Speaker 8 (22:59):
Winning is everything.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
And even if we even if we want to say, hey,
this shouldn't be a binary choice. I grew up also
by raised by an activists. My dad brought home the
you know the picture of all of the parties in
South Africa. Multi party democracy is great. That's how we have.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
We have a binary choice between.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
But the American is in the constitution, the American people.
The American people don't want that. The American people are
explicitly on records in absolutely unprecedented numbers saying we want
other choices. And not only do people want their choices,
they want to their choices.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I do I do believe in the third party.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I think we need other options, but it does seem
like you all have a lot more smoke for the
Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I just wonder why.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
Yeah, So if I if I can aicular point so
so to to kind of finish the previous one, I
absolutely would not be in this race. If I didn't
think that we had a chance to win, I wouldn't
waste alls time and I wouldn't waste my own time.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
So that's that's that's number one.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
We have had to up until this point in time
target the Democrats specifically because they're the ones that are
suing to keep us off the ballot. They're the ones
that are trying to knock us off the ballot in Georgia.
They are the ones that are doing everything they can
to keep us from coming. If we were not a
problem for them, AOC wouldn't be, you know, doing her
a little sorry attack ads, you know against us.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
You know that we.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
Came back at so so the Democrats are attacking us.
We're responding in kind. Just to be plain about this.
The reason why they don't want doctor Joe Stein on
a debate stage is because she will be able to
look at Team Read and say this is a party
that is led by domestic terrorists and a criminal, okay,
try to overthrow the government on January sixth, and is

(24:32):
convicted of numerous crimes, including sexual abuse that that that
amounts to rape and so forth. So this man is
a domestic terrorist and a criminal.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
She can look to Kamala Harris and sorry, hold on, no, no,
it's honest to God, no disrespect to be to be
to be perfectly honest. It's just the way that I
had gotten used to pronouncing the name because it resembles
a name that is used in West Africa.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
Getting it right though, yeah, you have to.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
The other Absolutely, I will not make that mistake again.
I'm big men get jumped by black hold on it
not me, listen, richly deserved. And if I act a
full check my black ass, that's fine, Like no joke,
Like I expect to be held accountable by my people,

(25:23):
whether those are black folk or Muslims.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
So that is all love and it does all welcome.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
You're not gonna get no pushback from me on that.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
So where was I?

Speaker 6 (25:31):
She will turn to Kamala okay and be able to
say this person is actually a war criminal. In the
following respect, the ic C and CJ have made rulings
that the Zionist entity, the state of Israel, is an
illegal apartheid state, okay, conducting an illegal genocide in the
midst of an illegal occupation, and that anyone that provides

(25:54):
material support to those things is actually complicit in war crimes.
So you will say that there's a domestic terrorist on
team Red and a war criminal on team blue. One
party on this stage is not led by a criminal.
One party on this stage wants to restore power to
the American people, give a viable third party alternative. And
just to return to the point, yes, I do want

(26:15):
that shot at their chin, and I'm coming for Trump,
Like I've already got my game plan laid out for Trump.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
You know, Trump thinks he can do nicknames.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
I already tagged Aoci Pelosi, right, and and the reels
have already started with that.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
So I'm coming for Trump.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
But the reality is is that we have had to
get the Democrats out of the way because they're trying
to keep us off of ballots.

Speaker 9 (26:34):
Yes, when you talk about AOC though, and it sounds
like you have issues with her, right, Yeah, her whole
thing is, like you guys, according to what she's saying,
that it doesn't add city council seats, state electives.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
She's round balland she's wrong.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
Fifteen Yeah, because well how important because here for the.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
People, that we're not growing, we're not running for lower office,
and that we disappear except four years we come out
for president. Those were her claims, and they are absolutely
false and misleading. She should know better because she was
actually campaigning in twenty seventeen. She ought to know better. No,
what she talked about was the Working Families Party, but
that is not a third party. It is a second

(27:16):
What she mentioned was the Working Families Party, her third party,
and what that does, that is a second ballot line.
It's not a third party. It's a second ballot line
for the Democrats, and it runs people who are already
Democrats or they're independent on their way to becoming Democrats.
And the main thing about Working Families versus true independent,

(27:37):
non corporate political grassroots parties. We are under attack by
the Democrats in particular, and that's what you know. It's
the Democrats. It's not the Republican It is the Democrats
who bragged starting back in March that they now had
an army of lawyers to basically exercise law fare, looking
for trivial details where they could do a gotcha and

(27:58):
get us thrown off the ballot, violating this spirit of
the law UH to basically eliminate their competition. They have
also advertised publicly for infiltrators and spies to mess up
our ballot drives. And they also hijacked our public funding
three hundred thousand dollars. I know it's not a lot
in the scheme of what Democrats and Republicans run on,

(28:18):
but we're at grassroots, people powered, low budget part party
that public funding meant a lot, and that's that's part
of the reason why we're not on in three in
three states.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I just have a question, and I would want all
y'all to chime in on this.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Is it fair to call the vice president a war
criminal when she's actively calling for an end to the
war on God and she's just the vice president?

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Well, it's lip service, you know. I mean, she could
what would say?

Speaker 6 (28:41):
I can't believe what you say because I see what
you do. You have the power to influence policy.

Speaker 8 (28:45):
Now, I mean, did you speak out?

Speaker 5 (28:49):
She could speak out? No, she's what she speaks out
in the same way that.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
That Palestinians on the stage talk about not a single
one where they held them off.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
They ordering them like animals and Gaza and then they
muzzle them like animals.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
At the Democrats, even when they are faithful supporters at
the party and of their candidates, they still would not
allow a single Palestinian to get up and talk about
just to humanized Palestinian, it means nothing to call when
Biden is already doing that. He's already doing that. And
uh Kamala Harris, you know, spoke a little more from

(29:24):
the heart about the plight of the Palestinians, but not
any different whatsoever about what to do. Basically, she said that,
you know, our support for Israel is undying. It's uh,
you know, it's an absolute We will stand by Israel
no matter what come.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Hell or h parties are bought and paid for by
Apak in the war machine.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So that that that that's the thing there.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Their souls are folded on tiny little pieces of paper
that are buried deep in the pockets of raytheon Lackey Martin, I'm.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Not I'm not even I'm not even playing with you.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
And let me just say this because because I don't
know I'm gonna get the chance to say this in another.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Venue where will matter this much.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
As a historian of anti slavery resistance movements in West
Africa and the diaspora, as a historian of the black
resistance tradition in continental as well as the asperg Africa,
I am personally offended by the way that blackness is
being weaponized in this electoral cycle in order to justify
white supremacist genocide in Gaza. Okayolm so Malcolm X my

(30:27):
mentor and I didn't meet him, but the bread the
Autobiography of Malcolm X. Malcolm said of Zionism of the
Zionist state, the Israeli state, he said that this is
a white Jewish population, Ashkenazi population being given power by
white imperialists to remove brown Arabs from their land. He said, so, therefore,
Zionism is white supremacy. In nineteen seventy nine open Letters

(30:50):
to the Born Again James Baldwin said the same thing.
He said, the state of Israel was not created for
the salvation of the Jews. It was created for the
salvation of Western interests. Okay, so when you go through
Kwame Toure Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Tony Morris, and Angela Davis, Assadashakord.
These are all people that cited the Palestinian resistance. Will

(31:12):
not even to bring in the Africans, right, not to
mention Nelson Mandela, Not to mention Thomas Sunkarr, who talked
about Zionism as being the face of imperialism in the
Middle East. Right, this is what the black radical tradition
taught me. And the Black radical tradition taught me that
if we weaponize our blackness in favor of white supremacy,
then we become apostates from blackness itself, because blackness.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Is not a race.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
It is an oppositional ideology to white supremacy. I'm a
historian of Africa by training. Never before in human history
had people speaking hundreds of different languages made themselves into one.
People developed the comic culture so that you and I
can relate to one another. You and I can relate
to one another on the basis of.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
A shared culture.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
And we got our Latin and Caribbean brothers and sisters,
you know, especially Puerto Rican's and Dominicans. But hey, but
also you know more broad, right, that's sharing that.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Culture, that is a miracle.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
It's never happened before in human history. Because what happened
is is that an oppositional identity to white supremacy came
into being, and.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
That is us.

Speaker 6 (32:12):
And and when I see that identity now being weaponized
to justify the most heinous genocide in our time, Like
Harriet Tubman is rolling over in her grave right now,
sojourn her truth is rolling over in her grave right now.
Bill Hooks is rolling over in her grave right now.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Who did I miss?

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Do you know what I'm saying, The idea that we
would weaponize something as sacred as black womanhood and then
utilize this to justify.

Speaker 8 (32:40):
Blowing you know you.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Hear what I'm saying, period.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
Because I want to make sure I clarify before I
response to it, is that because Kamala is a black woman,
and she's running as a black woman, and she's not
speaking out against things that you want her to, she's
using her black womanhood to.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Know I think.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
So what I've saw is I saw a lot of
black abolitionists of both sexes, of all of all of
all gender identities. I saw a lot of black abolitionists
going hard in the paint at Joe Biden right, And
then as soon as Kamala was at the top of
the ticket, radio silence. All of a sudden, people that
you could count on that were solid through and through

(33:20):
as abolitionists suddenly become apologists for empire.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
And thought about why?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yes, of course I thought about that.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
Why is that?

Speaker 6 (33:28):
The reason is is that we have this aspirational hope
that is related to like black achievement and black power
and black excellence, and it was weaponized in the Obama presidency.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
But let's so let me Can.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
It be something else?

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Could be?

Speaker 8 (33:41):
Could it be I know her?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (33:42):
Could it be that she is someone who listens to
voices on all sides. Could it be that when the opportunity,
you could turn your head, but I've been no, no, no,
you could turn your head. But I've been in the room, doctor,
I was.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
I was.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
I was actually not turning my back. I was looking
to see what this respond with.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
The response on the other side of the room is
over here engaged.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Because I can't I can't see if I can't see
the people there behind me, No, dis.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
We're all having healthy conversation, but nobody against anybody.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I never turn my back on Angela ever again.

Speaker 10 (34:19):
The last thing that the last making me an enemy
conversation because it's the strategy, because I knew you was
kind of getting your way to this, and it's very
disappointed to see you do that and get.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
What are we missing?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Pad?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I would definitely like to hear.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
Could it be you're getting little nervous?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I understand happened to me all the time.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I just had to.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Okay, I can't you know, you don't need to you
don't need.

Speaker 8 (34:57):
To be protected from me.

Speaker 7 (34:58):
My words are not weapons, and actually is just really
to dispel some of the myths. I think that since
you all believe in polls a lot more than I do,
there are a lot of folks that are saying that
they still are trying to get to know Kamala Harris
even clearly how to pronounce, pronunciate her name, pronounce her name.
So what I would say is it could be that
they've seen an opportunity for for negotiation, for hearing another perspective.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
I've been in the rooms with her on.

Speaker 7 (35:25):
Justice reform issues and others helped to convene those rooms
where she's been more open. Because what we do know
about how politics works is that it can't just be
this wish agenda. I love a lot of what you
all have on your agenda. I'll call it after seven
ready or not, agen, I'll give you the sun, the rain,
the moon starts mountain.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
But there's really way who called it a wish list? Mean,
the same people that spend a trillion dollars of y'all's
money blowing up other people's kids are saying it's a
wish list to have an actual social program.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
I think I think that it's not propaganda. I'm saying
it because it's I've worked on Capitol Hill. It's very
difficult to get what you're trying to achieve. So just
for example, Jill.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Can talk about what you can do just from the
executive authorware.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Yes, maam, thank you.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
Just for an example, I'd love to know how many members,
how many voting members in the United States House Representatives.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
So we have been blocked the Democrats, the ballot memory
interfere They put spies and infiltrators on our campaign.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
How many voting members compare us?

Speaker 7 (36:26):
No, no, no, no, no, no answer the question how many voting
members in the United States House of Representatives Republican, Democrat
and Independent?

Speaker 8 (36:34):
How many total?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
How many total are there?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Six hundred some?

Speaker 6 (36:39):
No?

Speaker 8 (36:39):
No, it's four hundred and thirty.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Five plus one hundred in the Senate, right.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
One hundred, yes, I said House representatives, one hundred in
the Senate. Of those four hundred and thirty five in
the House of the one hundred and how many just
one moment.

Speaker 8 (36:52):
I'm not trying to put you on the defense.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
I'm just saying this because the hell is my passion,
that's where I grew up as a professional.

Speaker 8 (36:58):
Right, how many of them are Green Party members?

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Okay, I know where you're going to show that the
Greens are powerless. I want to make the point, Well,
this is usually this is usually part of that argument
you're trying to make.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
What was the point I'm going before you rebutted, doctor Stein?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
What was the point?

Speaker 8 (37:18):
I want to know?

Speaker 7 (37:18):
How many voting members of the Green Party in the
House of the Senate currently exists?

Speaker 5 (37:24):
Currently? There are none. However, if you look at the
American people, you know how many are voting against the
genocide hardly any how many are voting for healthcare as
a human right, which would actually save US half a
trillion dollars a year. We the people are not represented
so not being there is not a strike against the Green.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
Party, Okay, and that's fine.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
How many of them right now based on and I
caught it a wishless It wasn't to be offensive?

Speaker 8 (37:50):
Is I have a wishness? Is wanted an ideal?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Man?

Speaker 7 (37:58):
What I'm saying is it's not dismissive here my heart right,
but your hearts mispronouncing of commonly hear my heart of
because there are none that currently exists. That means you
got to have allies. Oh are your allies in the House.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
And City health. See if y'all.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
Would have just slowed down a minute, y'all had guns conversation, right,
we try to We got to do basic, but how
many how many before the allies, some of your allies
in the House and the Senate that would help to
get this very aggressive agenda done.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
So let me tell you how the agenda would get done.
For one thing, we need yess, yes, talk about that.
So what I want to speak to specifically is town
hall meetings, which used to require representatives to meet their districts.
They don't do that anymore. They meet with their donors, well,
they largely meet with their donors. They're meeting with their

(38:55):
donors like ninety percent of their waking time. They're hardly
ever going to town hall meetings. I mean, we've been
out there on the campaign trail, and when we mentioned this,
we get nods all around the room, especially from the
opponents of genocide, or from those who are demanding healthcare
as a human right, or from those who want rent
control across the country so that we can actually have

(39:16):
you know, have secure housing in this country. There are
so many things that the American people are demanding, but
our elected officials are accountable to their donors. So you
have a you have got to catch twenty two here.
You have a very difficult system to change. How do
you change it? You know, and it only changes in
a crisis. When did the third party come along? That is,

(39:38):
it was the Republican Party, you know, which was the
abolitionist party. It entered into the scene, you know, basically
right before the Civil War, and they had been preparing
for it running, you know, and before the Republicans, there
were other anti other abolitionist parties. But it's a long
road to get there, and you have to work to
get there, and you know, and then suddenly they burst

(39:59):
on the scene. When the time was right and right now,
we know that the American people are clamoring for other options,
the other options, like namely US, we are the major
option on the ballot across the country. We are being
denied airtime, We're being censored, we're being silenced, We're being
canceled effectively, very much by an explicit plan through the

(40:21):
Democratic Party, which they've actually been explicit about.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
I understand that, and you've and you've repeated that today,
doctor Stein. What I'm trying to say is with the
like the very aggressive agenda you have, I said to
you all with a lot of what you have there,
what I'm talking about is as a political strategy is.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Let me tell you on day one, let me tell
you on day one, on day one, we stop the genocide. Okay,
there's a lot of lies, so there's a lot that
they but I can't get answer your question. However, denies
the power that the president has as the executive The

(40:58):
president has a fair amount of executive authority to actually
begin the process. So that process begins with stopping the
genocide on day one, which happens with a phone call.
It's happened before. This absolutely will happen, especially if we
invoke the weapons and barberent on issues where you have
executive authority. What you need our allies among the people,

(41:21):
But you don't need the boats in Congress for much
of this agenda. To declare and a climate emergency, which
we have. The Colorado River is about to shut down.
We got people dying from heat, from inadequate food supply.
People can't afford their food. Yet the major source of
food in the US is in deep trouble right now.
The Colorado River is within one to two years of

(41:42):
shutting down. That supplies the California agriculture system. Its drought. Yeah,
it cannot get into the system. It can no longer
get through the outlets coming out of Lake need which
is where you have this big reservoir. It's almost too
low to make it into the irrigation system to reach
many states, but especially California agriculture, which supplies half of

(42:05):
the fruits and vegetables for the US. So you think
food prices are bad right now, just wait a year
or two. They're going to be in real trouble. So
we would declare a climate emergency, which there absolutely is
right now, And we just had over one hundred days
of over one hundred degree weather in Phoenix. You know,
we got weather conditions that have never happened before. We're

(42:25):
in serious jeopardy, not to mention the storms and drought
and the trouble for farmers and all that. So we
declare the climate emergency, and that immediately triggers the release
of over half a trillion dollars every year in emergency
funding to begin creating that Green New Deal that is
an emergency jobs program so no worker is left behind.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yes, it could do that right now.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
That could happen right now, And if I had just
had something that that are our brilliant and talented campaign manager,
Jason Call who happens to be in the room with us,
I don't know if the.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Cameras want to pad to him.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
So so when we were having this conversation last night,
after after you know, a similarly robust conversation with with
with Mehdi Hassan, the we made the point and Jason
was the one that brought this into the conversation that
if we do land that knockout punch that Muhammad Ali
versus Sunny listed knockout punch, and we managed to get
thirty four percent of the electoral college votes in this country, right,

(43:22):
and we go from the.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Far four percent of the of the vote the actual actual,
which translated majority and the electoral college college.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
Thank you for correcting the historian, because we've got a
brilliant policy mind here and I'm still new to this
and happy to be corrected by you know, by both family,
you know, and and new family, and yes, exactly. So
the point is, though, is that if we move from
that five percent, you know that that that we feel
is basically assured at this point in time, that will
lead to ten million in federal funding to run the

(43:55):
next election, so that we're not chasing, you know, behind.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
If we have moved to the point.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Where Jill is able to make that phone call that
we've moved from that five percent to that thirty four percent,
that will mean that there is a profound mandate that
comes from the American people with that office.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
That means that, yes, you might have these you.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Know, intransigent, entrenched positions on both Teams Blue and Team Red,
but what it will mean is that they will have
to respond in a different way to Team Green if
we have that kind of popular mandate. And that's why
we're trying to take the case to the American people.
We might fall short in making that case. They may
never show us their chance to where we get to
throw that knockout punch. But in the meantime, we are

(44:32):
able to consolidate power that can be utilized in the
next electoral cycle and in subsequent electoral cycles to give
the American people a genuine choice rather than just the
two gangbangers.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
So when you talk about a third the democracy, you know,
like Donald Trump is right, we can all agree, yes, yes, absolutely,
What if because of y'all, you know, he ended up
winning and then there is no more democracy for y'all
even have a chance to be a threat?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, so, and it's a good question, so get asked.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
I mean Trump is out front, you know, in interfering
with the peaceful transfer of power, So a real threat
to democracy. The Democrats on their end don't get a
lot of they're they're not held accountable for this, but
they are throwing their competitors off the ballot in advance
of the election.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
They really hire a bunch of lawyers to get Yes,
we can send you.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
The articles if you like. In the Washington Post and
the New York Times, they're bragging actually they're bragging not
only about the consequences, but even when their plan was
launched back in March, they are bragging that they have
hired an army of lawyers basically to find faults in
our you know, in our petitions, in our electoral process

(45:41):
of getting on the ballot. So they and we have there,
we have screenshots of their ads which they have since
taken down, but they actually have ads advertising for people
to manage infiltrators and spies into our campaigns. And then
they actually did hijack three hundred thousand dollars in our
public funding, which we critically needed for the timing of

(46:01):
ballid access and that's why, for example, we missed Oklahoma
because we didn't have the cash on hand to be
able to pay the fee, which is you know what
what Oklahoma requires. So yeah, they are pulling out all
the stops, and then they they have I'm I'm sure
AOC was being an attack dog there because she was
put up to some ridiculous story which really did not
hold water and I think was really quite embarrassing to

(46:21):
her at the end of the day. Before her, it
was Jamie Harrison, the head of the DNC, who was
trying to smear me about being a Russian agent. Well,
that was long put to rest by the Senate Intelligence Committee,
which which looked into that smear campaign for three years. Actually,
I had a detailed investigation by the Senate Intelligence.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
Spirit and doctor Stein, given the fact that you were
sitting at the head table with Vladimir Putin next to
Michael Flynn, who was no, literally.

Speaker 8 (46:48):
No, not next to Michael Finn, No, not exame.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
He was at the table with National Security Advisor Michael Flynn,
who was found to have Do you know in the
twenty sixteen election in just months?

Speaker 8 (46:58):
Do you know what my message your election?

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Do you know what my message was?

Speaker 7 (47:02):
And what I understand from what you said is that
you weren't able to give that message because there was
no one to try.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Actually, but I was a major speaker at the conference.
What you saw was a photo from the dinner afterwards.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
Dinner with Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Doc Vladimir Putin came in and sat down for ten
minutes without translator with you yet well not with me
on the other side, the only person I could actually
talk to because there was so much noise and music
and entertainment going on. The only person I could get
a word in edgewise too, was the former Foreign Minister
for Germany, Willie Wimmer, who was sitting on my right,

(47:38):
on my left, and my speech, you know, made three points.
My speech made three points. One is that we needed
an immediate peace offensive in the Middle East and that
Vladimir Putin needed to stop bombing Syria, which he had
just begun doing. I told him that he was following
in the footsteps of you US foreign policy, which was

(48:01):
a disaster by way of trying to bomb our way
to peace in the Middle East. The second point was
that we need a global green new deal because we
have a crisis that impacts all of us. We need
to move our money from the military to actually confronting
our true real threat to our survival, the climate. And
the third thing being we need to get rid of
the nuclear weapons, that too is a threat to our survival.

(48:24):
And right now that is a law, that is a
law of the land. The Nuclear Weapons Ban Treaty is
now required by the United Nations, the vast majority of
the world nations have signed on, but not the nuclear
weapons holding nations, not Israel, not Russia, not the US,
not China. So I was there to promote those three things,

(48:44):
not just to Russia, but to the world press, which was.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
The dinner, which the American intelligence officials say is the
Kremlin mouthpiece.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
And I just am curious if you were there, you
were sitting in this picture that I so. I was
there to speak to.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Global media, including the Canadian broadcasting system, the BBC, China, India,
world media, to know that there is another constituency within
the US. We are not all about being empire, about
conducting endless war against black and brown people around the
world and ginning up nuclear weapons. And we have, by

(49:20):
the way, led the charge in dismantling the nuclear treaties,
so that right now we are risking nuclear war on
three fronts. Did you know that one nuclear armed submarine
alone contained the equivalent of five thousand Hiroshima bombs. Nuclear
confrontation is a threat to us all because of the
nuclear winter thing. And there's so much which is not

(49:42):
being addressed. There's so much which the American people deserve
to know, including how much this is costing us.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Asking it says engaging with foreign assets as a pattern
for doctor Jill Stein. Previously, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigated
links between Stein's twenty sixteen campaign Andrussia's efforts to interfere
in the election, while an indictment bought by Special Counsel
Robert Muller found at the Kremlin's Internet Research Agency had
used social media to promote her candidacy.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
So that, uh, that has been more than a thousand times.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Oh yeah, I mean so the the Senate Intelligence Committee.
They don't mention what the finding of the Senate Intelligence
Committee was, which was that there was absolutely no fault
on my part whatsoever. The question that was raised there
was did Russian social media have an impact? And was
I on you know, a beneficiary of that?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
In the Senate they said, you repeatedly parodied Kremlin views
and posted you know what.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
They consider a Kremlin view. They consider reparations a Kremlin view.
They consider the civil rights movement actually a Kremlin view.
They consider racial disparities a Kremlin view. So these are
these are these are Department of Defense talking points and
these are unfortunately the DNC talking points as well, which

(50:58):
repeatedly tries to smear me as a Russian agent. Yes,
and this has been very specifically found lacking. And the report,
get this, the report that was initially used to supposedly
show that Russians had a social media campaign supporting me
that was written by a cybersecurity firm called the New

(51:21):
Knowledge Corporation. New Knowledge had to disband shortly after publishing
that because they were exposed for conducting an interference campaign
themselves in the twenty seventeen Senate election in Alabama. And
how did they do that? They pretended to be a
Russian influence campaign on social media. So they did exactly

(51:43):
what they have accused the Russians of doing. They actually
did and put it under the false guise of being
a Russian interference campaign.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
So this is.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
Vladimir Putin or any of anybody on in the anybody
within his team.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Have you ever had anythine?

Speaker 5 (52:02):
I have tried to and have never been able to.
But that has been my goal to actually advance each
of these three absolutely critical issues. And in the words
of John F. Kennedy, we must not negotiate out of fear,
but we must not fear to negotiate. Look at the
Ukraine War, for example, which is an absolute disaster. It
is a war being fought to the last Ukrainian. No

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one is paying a steeper price in blood than the
people of Ukraine. Right now, this is an absolutely criminal
and tragic war, but it was completely avoidable. Even after
it began. There were negotiations taking place under the auspices
of Turkey which brought together the various parties, and you
had a peace agreement between Russia and between Ukraine. And

(52:45):
that peace treaty was disrupted by the US and by
the UK which came in and said no, you may not,
you may not make peace here. The US has been
invested in this, unfortunately as part of our plan for
the expansion of US influence following the collapse of the
Soviet Union. It's a longer story, we don't need to
go into it, but this is an absolutely avoidable conflict.

(53:07):
You have to be very skeptical of the talking points
that we're hearing from.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
America. Well, so that I hear a lot of geo
political issues with and so.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
I'd like to bridge between those by going back to
something that you asked about, like Team Read right and
how we appeal. So just to be clear right that
part of the appeal to Team read is to actually
focus on America. So one of the things that that
is a marked difference between the way that the corporate
interests that control the Democrats and the corporate interests that
control the Republicans are are are configured. Is that on

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the so called right end of the spectrum, there are
a lot more people that are interested in disengagement from
forever wars and want to focus instead on domestic policy.
So I think that that is one place where we
can absolutely make an appeal. And you know the appeal
that Jill, you know, sort of framed and I'll be
bun about this. Like my grandfather, Rudolph Where Senior he
never so, yeah, I go by Butch, but I'm actually

(54:03):
Rudolf where the third, you know, my grandfather from Georgia,
your father grew up in DC.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
My son is also Rudolph, you know. So we got
four of them.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
But Rudolph Senior never would have voted for Democrats because
he didn't like that culture of dependency, going with your
hand out. He was somebody that did things for himself.
So the idea of saying we can cut your personal
income taxes, we can cut your small business taxes because
we're gonna make billionaires pay their fair share, and we'll
stop taking money out of your pocket and handle it
handing it to raytheon by laundering it through genocides, right,

(54:31):
that we feel that that is something that will appeal
to people, you know, not just on the right, but
like people that are not thinking about voting at all.
That this is actually a really, really crucial point, and
it is one place where Team Blue is absolutely speeding
us towards World War three more rapidly than Team Red.
Is Okay, Team Red might be speeding us towards a

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kind of societal collapse.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Right and fast. Exactly what.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
No, No, But the thing is is that the truth
of the matter is is that imperialism and fascism are
two sides of the same coin. One is the side
that faces outwards and the other is the side that
faces inward. And I made a social media post before
I got brought onto the team that said it this way,
is that whether you vote Team Read or Team Blue,
militarized fascism wins because the APAK and the weapons manufacturers

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are patrons of both networks. And just to return to
that point, right, I've been on campuses. I organized a
Palestini liberation concert on October twenty first, I organized a
Black and Palestinian solidarity panel at my local Mosque on
October eleventh, four days after like your brother was not
backing down, and the Zionist came from my job within

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the month. Okay, and you know, a Negro still standing.
So but the point of all that is just to
say that when we launched this campaign to try to
actually bring people into this conversation, you see that this
is actually where the American people stand in The American
people do not want this forever war and they do
not one militarized fascists coming to their campuses to crack

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kids heads open.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I had to stand out in front of the encampment.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
And that's democratic governor in in in California, that's Democrat.
Uh you know mayors in places like New York City.
It's Democrats that are running cop cities. So the thing
is is bro fascism is already here. It's just that
one of it is like fascism and the other is fascism.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
But the truth is that the purple fascists, the purple.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
Imperialist Team Red and Team Blue are run by the
same funders, and who funds you runs you. So there's
a there's a discourse about putting off fascism, but the
reality is is that fascism was already here because we
already can't speak freely.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
We already have.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
People university presidents losing their job under democratic regimes. We
already have kids that are lining up for people peaceful
protests having their heads knocked open. Or you have the
cops standing to the side at u c l A.
So the thugs can can can knock kids heads open.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
So so I'm sorry. The fear Margaret ain't gonna work
on me.

Speaker 7 (56:54):
The only the only thing that I would say to
you is, I think is very dangerous rhetoric to say
they're two sides of the same coin.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
I do think it's important for us to understand democrats. Yea,
I think it's well, I think it's dangerous to all
of us. Actually, I don't have that press.

Speaker 7 (57:08):
I understand we do on a lot, but we also
agree on a lot. But here's one thing I think
we can't agree on. Either you win or lose this selection.

Speaker 8 (57:13):
There's really no in.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
Between, doctor sign. In two thousand and two, you ran
for governor of Massachusetts and you lost. In two thousand
and four, you ran for state representative in Massachusetts and
you lost.

Speaker 8 (57:23):
In two thousand and six, you ran for Secretary of
the Commonwealth. You also lost.

Speaker 7 (57:26):
In twenty ten, you ran for governor again, this time
against the first black governor in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick.

Speaker 8 (57:33):
You lost.

Speaker 7 (57:33):
In twenty twelve, you ran against this country's first black
president with and you got just less than one half
of one percent of total votes cast. In twenty sixteen,
you ran against Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, losing uh significantly,
with one point four million votes cast for you but
zero Electoral College votes, which I agree with y'all needs

(57:56):
to be abolished. But one hundred and thirty six million
people voted and you lost that election as well. So
I want to know what the pathway to victory is
for you at twenty four can't be.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
I'd like to yeh want can I respond? But I
would like to respond. This is the framing of the

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empire and the oligarchy and white supremacy and colonialism, which
wants you to feel that resistance is futile. This is
about voter blaming me. No not.

Speaker 7 (58:41):
What you're not going to say is that I'm ever
perading anything at the hands of white supremacy.

Speaker 8 (58:47):
This is something that's very different. This is me asking
you again. It's a buy.

Speaker 7 (58:50):
I'm just pulling out that it is either talking the
same talking points, get talking to. This is not DNC
talking points. This is my research and so for you,
the research says you have never won an election. You
have been successful in pushing forward certain agendas, advocate.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
One in order to win. You know, a journey of
a thousand miles begins with one step, and in this case.

Speaker 8 (59:18):
It's many steps.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
Let me point out, let me point out. Please, you
need to compare the Green Party not with those who
are taking money from Apex and the War Machine and
Wall Street. You've got to compare us, excuse me, you
have to compare us to other grassrooms.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
Non we need she said, that's what that was.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
May I please let's please finish, please, thank you. You're
trying to compare us to the Democratic Party and the
Republican Party with their billions of dollars, or to the
Working f Party, which is not under attack as a
people powered party, not taking money from Wall Street or
the war machine or a pack we are on very

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different turf. But if you compare us to all other
similar parties which are not taking corporate money, which are
not bought and paid for, which can stand up against
endless war, against homelessness, against the climate crisis, against the
housing and the healthcare crisis. Campaigns like us who can
actually stand up for the people. They last exactly one

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to two election cycles and then they're gone. So we
are actually strong, the pillar of strength among people powered politics.
And what have we done over that period. We have
established the Green Party as the vehicle for people powered politics.
We have also launched the agenda which has been adopted

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by the Progressive Democrats given lip service, not actually advanced.
But whether you're looking at healthcare as a human right
launched by Ralph Nader as a national issue, reparations launched
by our campaign as a national issue in twenty twelve,
if you look at free public higher education, bailing out
students and ending student debt, you had Congress bailing out

(01:01:13):
the crooks on Wall Street who crashed the economy, but
not bailing out homeowners, not bailing out students. That agenda
was launched by us. So I think it's not fair,
and it is the talking point of AOC the other
day who is taking her marching orders from the DNC.
This is exactly what they say that we are only
running for president.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
Color as parenting talking points instead of us looking at
basic math. The one thing that AOC has done that
you haven't is win some elections. And so when I'm
asking you, but what I'm trying any elections, that is
one point. If you want to tell me this, let's
talk about it more good question. If you want to
talk about you can do that, not by running necessarily

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for president. Douglas says power, it's not Secretaria of the Commonwealth,
candidate as a gubernatorial candidate, as a president. Instead of
telling me, I'm parting white supremacist talking so I can
tell you to hear the facts, I can tell you
the numbers are not on your side.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Absolutely remarks yes you know on your campaign, and then
the honorable Angelo ri.

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
You can with your I've asked my questions.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
So, as Frederick Douglas said, power concedes nothing without a demand.
It never hasn't, it never will. Like so many other Greens,
I came from the world of social activism. I spent
decades upon decades fighting for healthcare as a human right,
for racially just redistricting, which we actually succeeded in, for
getting big money out of politics, and creating a public

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financing system, which we actually succeeded in Massachusetts until the
Democratic legislature came in and invalidated the people's referendum, which
had won by a two to one margin. They validated
it on a voice vote and refused to provide the
funding for it. I saw our movements being beaten back
by the power of the political power of corporations and

(01:03:10):
billionaires operating through the Democratic and Republican parties. I saw
that over and over again, we are not making incremental
progress forward. We're actually taking rather major steps backwards.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
You know, the disparities, racial disparities, black and white disparities
are actually not better at all than they were in
nineteen sixty in spite of all the you know, hard
work and the lip service that's been given to racial
justice and racial equality. You know, in Boston, in the
Massachusetts area, the average household wealth of the African American

(01:03:43):
family is eight dollars considering debt. The average wealth of
the Caucasian family is a quarter million dollars. And this
is not unusual. This is where we are. We are stuck.
If you looked at the footage from the floor of
the DNC, what you could see were the corpse at
suites which started at half a million dollars each and

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went up to five million dollars. This is the money
running the DNC, running the Republican National Committee as well.
These parties have been bought and paid for. They really
do not have wiggle room. We're not going to fix
this around the margins. We need to stand up and
build a coalition. This was my experience as an organizer,
a successful organizer on these many issues that I just

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ran through. How did we do that? You do it
by building coalitions. But if your coalitions are only there
for the moment, you know what, you can get the
bill passed like we did with the public funding of elections,
but they're going to tear it down. Then you need
your coalition to be to remain in power and to
remain effective so that you're fighting to maintain your victories.
So what I see us having done since I first

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was tricked into running for office in two thousand, running
for governor. I was tricked into running for office because
I saw we were failing over and over and over
again on our aspirations for you know, for racial justice,
to fight white supremacy, to fight police violence, which also
is getting worse year by year to fight for health care.
You know, the health disparities between African American and white

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population is about three years three years of life taken
away from African Americans. And that's before you add in
the disparities in economic education. If you factor in education
disparities as well, that three years grows to ten years
a decade taken off the lives of most African Americans.
To me, this was just unacceptable. I could not sit

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there and take it over and over again, especially after
the Democrats reversed our achievements to get at the core problem,
which is the corruption of money in politics, we solve
that and they basically tore that solution to shreds. I
could not stand there. That's when I got recruited to
run for office because I began to realize this is
about building coalitions. That doesn't happen overnight. It takes a

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lot of education, it takes a lot of work. And
so I ran in that first race for governor, challenging
actually Mitt Romney, who was running for governor on the
Republican ticket. And you know what, we had to fight
our weight to get into a televised debate, but we
did succeed because the turnout was huge in you know,
in the rallies that were demanding to open up the debates,

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and that debate was opened up on one occasion, and
that took place in a TV studio. There was no
live audience to like read, so it was just you know,
speaking to the other people in the room, small number
of people, uh the you know, the guy behind the
camera and so on, and my the Green Party's proposals,

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which we've run through several times, went over like a
lead balloon inside of that TV studio, and I walked
out of there thinking, oh, well, at least I tried.
But when I walked out, I was mobbed by the
press who told me that I had won the instant
online viewer poll, which we didn't even know was going on.
And to me, that was like a revelation that, oh,

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my god, people actually agree with us. We don't need
to change people's minds. People's minds have been changed by
the desperate state of our economy, by you know, the
incredible injustices, by the police state that we're living in,
et cetera. And it wasn't nearly as bad back then,
in the year two thousand and two. So we at

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that point as like a curtain went up for me
and I saw, oh my god, this is not a
matter of having to change people's minds. People are already there.
It's just the people are denied knowing that there are
options that actually empower us.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
So that's your website for people want thank.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
You it is it is Jill Stein twenty four dot com.
And yes, check us out because this election is full
of what shall we say, one eighties and unexpected developments,
and we the people deserve to be heard. We are
demanding to be heard, and we potentially have the power
if only the Vote to Stop Genocide stood up to

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say I will not hold my vote, my my nose
and vote for genocide. That vote, or the eighty seven
million people who do not have adequate healthcare, or the
fifty percent of renters who are struggling, who are just
one or two paychecks away from being evicted and being
out in the street, if those people stand up to
vote for what we actually can have right now, this

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election will be turned on its head. And if we
don't get to the White House, but we start on
the road to the White House, that too is a
huge win. So I really encourage people to follow the
words of Alice Walker. The biggest way we give up
power is by not recognizing that we have it. This
is the conversation that the Democrats, the Republicans, the oligarchs,

(01:08:37):
the warmongers, they do not want you to hear this.
They do not want you to know that we have power.
We have the power if we are willing to stand
up and demand it. And in the face of the genocide,
it is a new coalition is being forged. It's being
forged in this era of blood and destruction and world crisis.

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A new coalition is being formed to stand up for
peace and justice. The institutional supports are coming out of
the woodwork in a way that we have never seen before.
This is my third race. We've never seen anything like it.
And the mobilization of the Arab American and the Muslim
American communities is a real example of a community that
is standing up with the incredible courage of their convictions

(01:09:22):
to say we deserve better. We deserve an America in
a world that works for all of us that is
within our reach if we demand it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Well, thank you for joining us, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Doctor Jistin, thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
To be a debate.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
But it was good.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
It was It was great, great, It's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
The Breakfast Club, good morning, wake that ass up in
the morning club, Breakfast Club,