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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Morning, everybody is DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, and Charlamagne de Gat.
We have a special guest with us this morning. We
have Jessica tar Love.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
How you feeling this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm good? Yeah, up early.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well we got to talk about some breaking newis.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I want to say I want to stay with Jessica.
You know we worked together once when we both did
Piers morgansh Yeah, And I've told you this off air,
but I really appreciate you because I watch all the
news networks. I watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and if you
don't watch these network you don't realize it's people actually
on Fox News who push back on a lot of
the misinformation and false narratives that exist on that network.
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And you're one of them.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh well, thank you. And it was great to be
on Piers's show with you, and it's great to be
at Fox. I think liberals should show up at Fox
more often. A lot of persuadable voters out there, and
you have better conversations. It never appealed to me to
kind of sit around a table with four or five
people who are all kind of parroting the same thing,
or you're looking for that one little piece that could
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differentiate you. So I've had a great time at Fox.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm glad you said that. That's something that I've I've
suggested to a lot of liberals, you know, especially the
VP now running for president. Yeah, go on Fox. President
Obama used to do it, you know you. Gavin Newsom
did it. When he started doing it, they started talking
about him being running for president. Secretary Buddha Judge does
it all the time. Go on there. Well.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Tim Walls was on two weeks ago. He did America's Newsroom,
which is, you know, a hard news program from nine
to eleven in the morning, and he was great. You know,
he's super affable no matter what environment he's in. But
I love it when I see elected officials showing up. Brettair,
who hosts Special Report, he has a segment called common
Ground where he brings on a Democrat and a Republican,
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and Democrats even as left as Elizabeth Warren are clamoring
to get on there. It's a great venue for people
to show up. And just if you want to talk
to the most people possible, you're going to go to Fox.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
How'd you end up doing so?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I I went to graduate school in England. I did
a PhD in politics, and I came back to the
US and worked in polling for Bill Clinton's old polster.
And then he was a contributor at Fox. And he's
a very centrist Democrat guy called Doug Shown, and he
started pushing me to do media. It was actually just
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like a great mentoring boss move. He said, you know,
when you work for someone who you can't ever be,
you know, no one's going to hire me. They're going
to hire Doug to do the job. He said, you
have to start building your own brand. And so he
called in a favor and just said, I have this
girl works for me. She's really smart. Give her a shot.
And I started going on and the relationship, you know,
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just went from there and I started doing more and
more shows. Sean Hannity gave me a shot in primetime
and I started doing his show a lot, and I
got hired in twenty seventeen, you know, soon after Hillary loss,
and I've been there ever since.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I was going to ask, you know, how many times
have you been threatened? Don't on Fox News and the
dms of people at all, a lot on not too many.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I mean threatened is extreme. There my Twitter timeline, that's
the only social media that I have and I only
got it actually when I started coming on Fox a lot,
because Hannity in fact told me you just need to
people need to have a way to be able to
reach you. And it's a good way, or it used
to be a good way to consume news. Now it's
impossible to know what's true or not or fake on
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AX I should call it. But my timeline is brutal.
I mean, people are not the loudest, voices are the cruelest.
If they meet you in person, they're so friendly, which
I can't stand, you know, everyone hiding behind the keyboard
warriors of it all. But there are a lot of
people who are really supportive from conservatives. I mean, we
have a huge democratic viewership on the five, so over
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twenty percent of the viewers are liberals, and we have
the highest number of independents as well from all the networks,
So a lot of support and now the way that
it works, and that's how you know, I see a
ton of what you guys are talking about because of
clip culture, right, you see like a little sound bite
and the liberal clip first or whatever you would call
it takes stuff off the five all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Right, You've been getting Yeah, you've been going viral a lot.
But I mean, like I said, it's because people aren't
used to seeing somebody push back.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, they always say, oh, I bet she's gonna this
is her last time appearing on Fox, or she's gonna
be fired, and I'm like, well, no, I've been there,
you know, eight years, and I assume I'm not getting fired.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I just I didn't even think about that. It's like,
damn you. You get the opposite of what most people
don't get, because you probably get the maga crazies who
come up to you bugging out. Because I was at
lunch one time. It was me and Kenny, because me
and Kenny a super cool yeah, and it was me
and Kennedy and Brian killed me with that. And this
guy walks up to Brian and goes, you, Brian killed me,
And Brian goes yeah, and he goes, I just wanted
to tell you go fuck yourself, jesus. I was actually
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a few months ago. You had security though, right, yeah,
my security. Ye, you got to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, it's definitely, you know, because our offices are just
down the block from where we are here, and Manhattan
is not full of many conservatives, so there's definitely a
lot of uh, you encounter folks who are not fans
of people that work at Fox. Outside of New York though,
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where it is Fox Country, people are so nice, really friendly,
but very traditional what you think of as nice conservative values.
And I just so, I have two daughters, I just
got back from maternity leaveing the RNC was my first
week back.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, so I land in twenty minutes later, Donald Trump's
ear gets shot and I was like, oh my god,
I don't think I can do this. You know, it
was just such a swirl and everyone I met in
Milwaukee could not have been nicer. You know. Everyone does
say I don't agree with your politics, but and I
think it's part of what makes actually Fox so successful
(05:59):
in general, but definitely versus the other networks, that they
really try to amplify your personal life. I mean, it's
something Kennedy obviously has excelled in her whole life. You know,
she talks about everything from her daughters, her dog, her
ex husband, her like you know, ever Jordan, her Michael
Jordan hitting on her her relationship with people like you,
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what it's like to have had such a crazy life.
And then the viewers, whether they like your politics or not,
they feel something kindred with you. And so I think
it's that's definitely helped me get through, you know, whatever
shit has hurled at me online.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I was gonna say, so, what do you think about
you know, yesterday it was broken at Kamala Harris is
picking Tim Wallas. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So I actually thought it was going to be him,
just based on the last couple of days. So Jos
Shapiro definitely seemed like the smart He's the guy. He
was the guy, I mean, the Baruck Obama of it all,
you know, I love And you could tell that the
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Republicans they've not only been floundering with what do they
do about Kamala, they did not know what to do
about Josh Shapiro. I mean, he is the absolute opposite
of JD. Vance right, like the genuine article. When you
hear either of them speak, one sounds like he's still
in law school and the other sounds like he could
be president of the United States. And so I had
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thought it was going to be Josh Shapiro, and we
need Pennsylvania's electoral votes, so all of that was pretty aligned.
And then stories started to leak out about how much
Kamala's team was enjoying Tim Waltz's team and Tim Waltz personally.
And I don't want to make it into like this
has become a ViBe's election, but I think the fact
that Tim Waltz was the guy to first say these
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Republicans they're just weird, right, because everyone has been searching
for a way to describe Donald Trump. You know, we've
gone through all the usual stuff, talking about the race, bad,
how bad his policies are, et cetera. But when he's
up there talking about electrocuting sharks or the late Great
Hannibal Lecter, You're like, how do I actually put into
words how weird this is? And Tim Walls was the
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first guy to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He was a don't have no legs, And I feel like,
and weird is the understatement wed weird almost sounds cute.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I think what's going on? And again I started with
I thought it should have Josh A barrow makes the
most sense on paper, And all of this is that
everyone has gone back to their corners, so Republicans and
Democrats are where they're going to go, and you're just
focused on like one hundred thousand moderates that are in
these four or five key swing states. And they have
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been saying in survey after survey, I don't want to
hear about January sixth anymore. I don't want to hear
about thretta democracy. I want to hear about your policies.
I want the rhetoric toned down. You know, people are
sick of it. They don't want to hear that it's
the end of the world tomorrow, whether you're saying it's
because Donald Trump's going to become president, or like when
AOC said climate change is going to wipe out the
planet by twenty two eight or whatever it is. And
(09:01):
I think that Tim Walls has a vibe that not
only made her feel comfortable, but that people who are
looking for toning down of the rhetoric are going.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
To I don't think you should toe down the rhetoric.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I know you're very I appreciate it. When we were
on Piers's show together, you know, we were you know,
I felt bad for Dave Ruben, who was sitting between
us because it was like a threat to democracy, you know,
Cookie there he was just sitting in the middle and
we were going at it. But I agree with you.
I think you should. We should never stop talking about that.
But unfortunately, the way it works is the people that
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we need to win over don't want to hear it
of any anymore. It's baked in.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But do you know the country it says that they're
tired of two white old men running for president, and
I think that just adds to it. You know, they
didn't want to see Trump abid it and people weren't
excited about it. It seems like it brings that energy
right back into it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He's only six months older than Yeah, he just looks
he looks.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
He does. He did have a great line that if
you were a teacher for twenty years, you would look
like that too. I mean looks great and he looks
particularly bad for a sixty year old. But yes, he
was also the football coach, I think it was. But
he is bringing that boomer dad energy to it. And
I think that she ended up going with someone that
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she felt more comfortable with. And you know, people will
pick this apart. They'll say which I think has a
lot of merit. You know, Josh Shapiro was supportive of
school vouchers, and the teacher unions were not particularly thrilled
with that. Labor leaders who have been giving interviews have
put Walls and Basher at the top of their list,
and we know that Democrats don't win without labor unions
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live in.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
A nuanced with the school voucher thing. Because Governor Spiro
was also supportive of public schools as well, up a
lot of money into public schools, especially the breakfast programs there.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Oh totally, but Tim Walls's breakfast and lunch okay, so
you get your lunch too, no matter your income. I
think that it really came down to what she was
comfortable with. And I think that even though she has
outperformed expectations the last couple of weeks, I think she
has risen to the occasion in a way that a
lot of people didn't expect. And I know you've always
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been a fan of Kamala's, but there are a lot
of Democrats who didn't see it right. In twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty said, you know, she has her first huge
rally in Oakland, and we thought this is it right?
This is the woman that can do it. And we
were so despondent after Hillary's loss and thought that this
was the woman that could take over that mantle and
(11:37):
it just flamed out, right, And she has seemed like
that person over the last couple of weeks. But she's
more nervous than someone that's running for president.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I've seen her.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, oh totally, but she has I think it's part
of the authenticity. But the right will make it out
to be unprepared, nervous, et cetera. And I think she
wanted to be with someone that made her feel comfortable,
and I think that's what Tim Walls did.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, it might be something to that, because I mean
another thing, people are going to point to the fact
she hadn't done an official press conference yet, She hadn't
done any interviews, right, So you know, if the narrative
for Biden was they were hiding him, keeping the basement,
didn't want him to talk, that can't be her narrative. No.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, And the rallies don't count, right, I mean, they're
going to be great events. The rally in Atlanta with
Megan de Sallian was fabulous. She's in Philly tonight. I
think it's a ten thousand person crowd. But she's got
to sit down and do the interviews. And I said
this on Fox last week. I really think she should
do an interview where she lets them play the tape
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of all of the really progressive things that she said,
you know, talking about defunding the police, talking about healthcare
for you know, people who are here undocumented, and explain
from a policy perspective why she changed her mind that
these are things that you believe in in principle right
that we treat every person some of the same level
of humanity and dignity when you actually get into governing,
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this is how the nuts and bolts of it work.
And give a really boring interview where you just seem
like a policy wonk and show that you were actually
doing everything. With Biden, I think the Biden team didn't
do her a great service by kind of pushing her.
I'm not talking about being in charge of the border,
because Joe Biden was in charge of the border when
he was VP. That's very typical. But I don't think
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they've shone a bright enough light on her for the
things that she was doing and doing well, Like apparently
the idea to cap insulin at thirty five dollars that
came out of the Harris side of things. That's one
of the most popular policies. Give it to her, like
give her.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Her flowers in the American Rescue.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Totally, the money for rural broadband for HBCUs, you know.
And she's done a great job talking about the Dobbs
decision obviously dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
To mental health initiative.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, and also they didn't play up that she was,
you know, the top cop of California.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I think I think she's been trying to herself from that.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But she shouldn't especially lean in for this selection. Like
everyone is absolutely in their corners. You have these moderates
who did want a Josh Shapiro come out and tell
them about everyone you prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
How is Fox gonna spend the Tim Walls thing? Because
I got some ideas, right, I'm not giving him my deals.
But this is what I think they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This is given to my DEAs.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
No, it's not. This is what I think they're gonna do.
I think they're they're gonna they're gonna point to the
to the the far left being anti Semitic, and they're
gonna point to a lot of anti Symitism that might
exist in the Democratic Party because a lot of people
have already been asking. I was watching ce N last night,
Dana Bash asked Nancy Pelosi, why is Josh Shapiro getting
so much flak over his Israel Gaza stands when him
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and Tim Walls.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Is the same.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, Yeah, I think that's gonna be one. I think
Fox News is gonna run videos of the aftermath of
George Floyd, the Riots air coach. He has the city
burning in Minnesota. I think they're gonna play that and
say he was in charge of all of this. I
think those are the two ways they're they're gonna attack definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And I you know, I'm I'm Jewish. I think our
party has an anti Semitism problem that they don't want
to deal with properly. And I think that the way
that Josh Shapiro has been treated does reflect that to
some degree, even the anxiety about it popping up and
you'll see left wing commentators like a Medi Hassan, for instance, saying,
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you know, Josh Shapiro is fantastic, why do you want
to anger this part of the bass right that's going
to be upset about this. That's part of the protest,
the college campus protests, et cetera. And you're totally right.
Josh Shapiro has a record of statements and opinions on
Israel that is exactly the same as the four finalists.
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If you took the quotes, you could say it was
Andy Basheer or Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, Tim Waltz. I mean,
Tim Waltz has gone and taken selfies with Net and Yahoo.
No one has brought that up at all.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Shapiro called it, and yeah, he was one of the fields,
the fields that I remember.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Which just how the majority of American Jews feel. You know,
we don't like nat Yaho. Israelis don't like Natan Yaho.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So how should they handle Israel?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
How should they handle that situation? Because it seems very
they're walking on egg shells when they speak about it,
and you talk about it on these side, how would
you advise that they handle it?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well, I think the priority what you should just be
saying every single day, and I hate that it's dropped
out of the discourses. Bring the hostages home, that's all.
That's what this is about. There are still dozens of
people that are being held in captivity in Gaza by Hamas.
That's a priority. And Kamala was asked she landed in
the tarmac in Atlanta before her rally last week, and
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she was very clear, Israel has a right to defend
itself and I think that you're seeing that play out.
But now that we have what's going on with Iran
and all of this, this is going it seems like
going to blow up into a larger problem in the
Middle East than just being able to say this is
about Israel and what's gone on in Gaza. But I
think it would be smart for her Vice President Harris
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to continue on the track that Biden has been on.
I mean, the proposal that has gotten us the closest
to peace and the hostages coming home was honed out
of that administration. I think Secretary Blinkeln has done a
great job, and if I were her, I wouldn't change
anything for how it is, because it's holding together the
coalition and the way to win the election. And it
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seems like moving the needle with Nan Yahoo as much
as you can. I mean, they have been it sounds
like from the reporting, you know, behind the scenes, really
forceful with him and just saying kind of like stop
fucking around, like I don't want to see anything in
the West Bank. I don't want you to be giving
any more power than any right wingers in this, like
get the hostages home and you know we're out. So
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I would continue on with where Joe Biden has been
going with this if I were her, and she should
speak to it, and I would address it even with
the Josh not picking Josh Shapiro, like why not say
something like big eater up about that?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I really do because even when the language they're using
when they say they didn't want to pick Shapiro because
they picked the Walls because he does the least damage.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, it's a do no harm.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What does that mean? Where's the damage coming from? Well?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I do think with Shapiro that part of that is
the teachers' union issue, that that could break up the
labor the labor coalition. But there is anxiety. I mean
my text messages when the announcement came out was full
of my friends who are Jewish, with some just disappointed
wanted her to go for it, just to say kind
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of like fuck you to everybody and I'm going with
the guy that makes the most electoral sense, a guy
who people could see as presidential right that he's on
his way to that. And Tim Waltz, it should be noted,
does not seem like that. And that's part of the
do no harm principle and kind of why Obama picked
Biden that, I mean, the corollaries are interesting between that.
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I mean, Joe Biden was someone that could shore up
the blue wall for him, right, he had that affable
way of talking. Some of it were gaffes, but no
one thought Joe Biden was a bad guy, and no
one thinks Tim Wallace is a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, that depends if those of us who knew about
the ninety four crime Bill in the eighties, the commandatory,
I mean, I'm citizen, did We didn't think he was
the greatest guy. Those of us who knew, you know,
he gave the eulogies that segregation is, you know, like
strom Therman's funerals. I'm from South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That no I understand, Yeah, and I certainly hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
There's a lot of bad policy.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
There is a lot of bad policy. There has been
also a lot of repentance for bad policy. Is it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think. I mean, he's certainly I think the best
of to'ement his legislation.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
When it comes to the legislation, well, don't you think
that Biden has at least looking at the Biden Harris
record or what went on under the Obama years, that
there has been some repentance from that as a policy.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I don't think so. Not not enough. In regards to
the crime bills, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I mean, I think he has made an effort, does it,
and it never goes far enough for anyone. And part
of that is the structure of you often need bipartisan
support for something and what are you going to get.
I mean, the crime bill that was bipartisan under the
Trump administration that Tim Scott did, it doesn't move the needle, really,
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I don't think that much. And it's difficult to really
have kind of soaring legislation that is going to make
a massive difference. I at least from how he's spoken
about it. I feel like Joe Biden has a lot
of regret about things that he signed on to. The
Clintons have obviously spoken about that as well. But you
can't undo damage that you've done to people's lives like that,
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so that's something that will hang over them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Do you think that they will debate or do you
think it's not going to happen?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Kamala hell oh, I think they. I mean, I certainly
think they should. I think that she should say three debates,
and I think it's fair to start with September tenth
on ABC because that was an agreed upon one, and
then do a Fox debate and then do a something
else to maybe a Univision debates something I think they
absolutely should, and the contrast will be really stark. It's
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been interesting to see like all of the negatives about
Biden's age and his competency have now moved over to
Trump now that there's only one really old guy in
the race. And I think that even excuse me, even
if she has some moments where she stumbles, she's still
going to look like the vibrant, fresh alternative in all
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of this, and he's going to seem like an old
sexist guy that's yelling at a woman like he did
with Hillary. Remember she was like, why why are you yelling?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, but that's the reason why I don't think he
wants to do it. Like That's why I'm thinking he's
throwing things out there where he feels that she wouldn't do,
you know, so it makes it seem like it's her
not wanting to do it, where obviously he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I mean, we pay more attention to the press releases
in all of this than a lot of people. I
think it's all just stupid game, right, Like my comms
person is going to say this, and then you're comms
person is going to say this, and they should be
thinking about, Okay, there's one hundred thousand people that I
need to convince they're going to pay attention to a debate.
(22:12):
I should job up for a debate.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
What did you think about him doing Aidan Ross yesterday
a streamer.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I mean, it was probably a smart electoral move for him,
but I found it repulsive.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I thought it was great only because I feel like
you have to meet people where they are.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I agree, But Aiden Ross has kind of played around
in certainly in the anti Semitic with like a Nick
Fuenttes type of character, someone who is eating at mar
A Lago as well. I you know, I tend to
be I guess a bit of a Pollyanna about that,
where I think certain people I'm not talking about deplatforming.
And I understand they have a base, but if I
was running for president, I wouldn't want to sit down
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with someone who has had given safe harbor to someone
who you know, thinks the Holocaust was a hoax.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, I'm with you, but you know there's a new
voter turning eighteen every day and that dude's demo is
like age thirteen to twenty four. And it's just like, yo,
you sometimes you have to really meet people where they are.
I was talking to a lot of you know, liberals
yesterday and they were saying to me, we care about
young voters, not young people, And I'm like, well, what's
the difference. You might energize some of those young people
to register to become young voters. Like, for all we know,
(23:21):
Donald Trump might have had cast fifty thousand, one hundred
thousand kids that never thought about voting to go ready
to the vote yesterday. You don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And again that's why I say it was smart electorally
from a pr perspective, that just plays into liberals hands
obviously that you say, like, this guy is not going
to sit down with George Stephanopoulos, but he has no
problem going on there, and it's not like you show
up and he didn't hold his feet to the fire
about anything. That was part of the controversy with Ronald
McDaniel getting hired at MSNBC. Now I said, I think
(23:52):
it's fair to hire her. She has a wealth of
knowledge that would be interesting for viewers. She knows how
it actually works. But when she's interviewed, asked her about
election denialism, that's the way you do it, Like, that's
why you work in journalism, that's why you have a platform.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
But he can't really them, can't really say anything yet
because the vice president hasn't done anything.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You know, she she's got to do it, and I
think she will. I'm sure they're figuring out what venue
they think is the right one to start off. But
I imagine be you know, like a lesser Holt or
someone like that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't know if I want to Well, no, I
think you should do some of that, But then you
should also go to the non traditional ones like yeah,
like Trump just did when he went, you know, he
went to the National Association of Broadcast Journalists. That was
different for him.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He would sat down with a very generous to say
that was different for him, it was.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Different for all of us all that he went and
sat down with Aiden Ross that's a non traditional outlet
that has a big audience. I think she needed to
do a little bit of both.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Well, she's done little things like she was you know,
she did RuPaul's drag Race. She should definitely do sit Down.
And I think the fact that they are running this
very gen Z focused campaign. I mean, if you go
on TikTok, it's brat summer, you know, all over the place.
You know she will be doing things like that. And
I know that her team is working to harness all
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of these big voices. I think Beyonce gave like four
million dollars. I thought so. But she's definitely going to
do an event and actually and she let her use
Freedom obviously as her song. So I'm sure you're going
to be seeing a lot of the big players. Taylor
Swift changed her bio and Instagram to something like just
a cat lady after jd Vance went after childless cat ladies.
(25:37):
You know there will be It's interesting to see because
this is kind of surpassing the usual democratic mojo. Like
we know people in Hollywood and entertainers tend to lean left,
but there seems to be a genuine enthusiasm for Kamala
that's different than just this is the ticket right like,
kind of as if it were Obama again.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Why did white women in Troo De sixteen vote against
their own interests by supporting Trump? And do you think
they'll make that same mistake again this year?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It upsets me to this day. I think I joined
and listened to a bit of the white women for
Harris Call and also the white dudes for Harris Call,
and a lot of it was about that, and it's
just feelings of regret and remorse over not doing enough
or flat out voting the wrong way. Though this tended
(26:27):
to be a more liberal crowd, they changed course in
twenty twenty. We didn't get Joe Biden because of the
usual court constituency. We got those white moderate women back
right in the suburbs of Atlanta, outside of Phoenix, et cetera.
I imagine they'll stay the course. I think the Dobbs
decision is so electrifying for people, and not just because
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you know, women want to be able to have abortion
on demand or whatever ridiculous right wing talking point there
would be, but because women know that after six weeks
you can't even get a heartbeat scan, or they know
how difficult a time they have had getting pregnant, or
that you know twenty five to three percent of women
are going to have a miscarriage in their lives, and
the majority of women who are getting an abortion are
people who've already had children. That it's part of family planning.
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And I think that that's going to be a huge
issue for Democrats and one that keeps moderate white women
who might vote Republican if it was a Mitt Romney
or someone who seemed normal in all of this.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
In the fold, what do you say to people who
feel like Fox shouldn't be allowed to host the debate
because they lost the dominion lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think it's silly. Bretta and Martha, who will be
the anchors for the debate and are our election night coverage,
are complete straight shooters. I mean, Brett Baar was the
last serious interview that Donald Trump did and he hasn't
done it again because Brett humiliated him so much. Remember
when he read all the quotes about what people are
saying about him, and he said, like, why does no
one want to work for you anymore? Right. Trump has
(27:55):
something like all of his high level staff, no one's
coming back. And they've written in memoirs and done interviews
speaking to you know, ideas of like can I just
go shoot protesters during the Black Lives Matter summer protests,
you know, talking about how veterans who get killed are
(28:15):
losers not wanting to go What was it in Normandy?
They didn't want to go to the graves of the
veterans because it was raining out, like things like that.
That's all coming out from people who worked for Donald Trump.
And Brett Baher was the one who really held his
feet to the fire about that. So I think it's silly.
I think the two things are completely unrelated. And you know,
(28:39):
I understand that there are folks who take issue with Fox.
It's part of what I think is important about showing
up and that I like that I do because people
get genuinely shocked. They're like, oh, this was going on
at Fox. I'm like, yeah, it's going on every single day,
you know, on the highest rated show on the network.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, you would be good on CNN now and then
you know, has they put both sides up there? Now?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah? I listen. I have great respect for everybody have
a lot of friends that work at the other networks.
I think that having never trumpers is not a real
reflection of the Republican Party because whether you like it
or not, or whatever you feel about him, it's Trump's party.
And yeah, they do have folks who will show up
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every once in a while that are supportive of Trump,
but they're not the diehards, right. It's not somebody who
saw something in Trump when he came down that golden
escalator and understood about you know, how he was speaking
at issues like immigration or how he's talking about the economy,
and that it really resonated. It seems more like political
operators to me than the genuine article.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What's your thoughts on JD. Vance? I know you mentioned
him a little earlier. What's your thoughts on him totally
switchsides like not a Trump supporter, disliking Trump, hating Trump,
and then all of a sudden Trump's his best friend.
What's your thoughts on that? In ef fect that I
don't feel like we dive into that enough.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
About Jdvans or just people in Jenety listen, I think
jad Vance was the absolute worst pick for VP for Trump,
and that doesn't mean that I think that Trump is
going to lose. I think probably even though the forecasts
are shifting, that he still has a structural advantage. So
I'm putting that out there. But jd Vance was the
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only choice that he had that doesn't really move the needle.
He doesn't have a different base than Trump. You know,
Trump was winning Ohio. Jd Vance underperformed Governor DeWine, the
Republican governor there, I think by double digits. I think
that Trump, if he hadn't been shot, would not have
picked JD Vance. I think that the fact that Jade
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Vance came out there and was the first person to
tweet that this was Joe Biden and the Democrat's fault
that he went with Jade Vance because he's like a
security blanket and he felt good to him, and he's
not a threat at all. Donald Trump just can't stand
anyone that feels threatening, and jdvans no one looks at
him and thinks he's presidential, you know. And I think
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that that was also a miscalculation because now that people
do see Trump as the old guy, you are looking
to the vice president more than you would be, right.
So if he had someone at the RNC. I met
Glenn young Kin for the first time, the governor of Virginia.
I was blown away also by the fact that he's
six foot nine, which I did not know. Charming, very
(31:26):
policy oriented. The crowd loved his speech that he gave,
and all of my smart Republican friends were dying for
Trump to pick young Kin to at least moderate the
ticket a bit. You know, we all have friends that
live in New Jersey, live in a Virginia and have
had Republican governors and been just fine, and it would
have sent that kind of message. So jd Vance, I
(31:48):
think it sounds like from reporting that it was his
sons that were pressuring him to do it LinkedIn Dad,
pick my friend, pick my friend, and foundation, Well, they've
done a number with that one. They're like, oh, Project
twenty twenty five, we have nothing to do with it.
If one hundred former Trump officials are working.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
On it Jade Vans as their pick, that's what they
want it totally.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, I think it's because it's a blank slate. You
could do anything you want to him. I mean, someone
who would write a book like that, give the number
of interviews that he's done talking about Trump and you
know that he's maybe America's Hitler. I don't know how
you reverse course on that. I understand how you change
your mind about single payer healthcare. I don't understand how
you think that America's Hitler is what the country needs.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
From calling him Hitler to giving them Hawk TWA. I
mean it's just like a full throat endorsement, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
This morning. I do love his wife though. I think
she's great and they should be using her more. Her speech,
her introduction of him at the R and C I
thought was fantastic. She's uber. I mean they're both uber smart.
You know, you don't get to Yale Law School being
a big dumb dumb. But they should be using her more, definitely.
(33:00):
But she she was a registered Democrat until twenty twenty two,
and she seems very uneasy with what's going on. I
can't imagine, Actually, if my husband woke up and was like,
I'm going to go work for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You said something, you said you think Trump is going
to win because he's more which just structured.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He has a structural advantage.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
When you say structural advantage, what do you mean that
he has a bunch of Republicans across the country, who
probably won't rechoose the certified or results of the election,
and hettle help, and he's got the Supreme Court if
he challenges it.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
You know, all of those things. But I just mean
the way the electoral college is. You know, Kama's favored
to win the popular vote. The Democrat basically always wins
a popular vote, and then we lose the electoral college.
I mean, it's crazy how how far you have to
outperform the Republican if you're the Democrat in the you know,
one person, one vote standard to be able to win.
(33:50):
And so that's why I still think that he has
an advantage. And you know we're getting there in the
enthusiasm gap, but Donald Trump's supporters are diehards in a
way that she has yet to build that kind of fervor.
You know that Obama twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's why I don't like it at Tim Wall's pick.
That's why I feel like you can put another star
on the ticket the same way you said somebody like
Trump is, you know, scared to have somebody that can
outshine him. You gotta what you call him baristo Obama?
Would you call it? You gotta put barok Obama. You
gotta put Governor Josh pirout. He's another star. I feel
like that to me that that I'm not gonna say
(34:27):
it's so it locks things up, but I think that's
a better.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, there's no doubt that the Trump team is happy
about this, you know, and any day that Republicans are
happy as a bad day for me. But I do
think that Tim Waltz will surprise and delight people in
a way that they're not expecting.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
He has this America's Dad background, being a teacher and
a football coach. He flipped a conservative seat in Minnesota
in twenty and six when he entered Congress. One of
the stories that I I found the most engaging and
just very sweet his daughter came to him. I think
it was after the Parkland shooting and he had an
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A rating from the NRA, and she said, Dad, we
guns are the problem here. You know, it's always the guns.
Now he has an F rating from the NRA. He
is someone who's willing to listen to people to change
his mind. He has apologized going back to the point
that you made about how many Apolis was handled in
(35:28):
the wake of George Floyd's murder he's said it was
an abject failure. And this election with both Kamala and
Tim Wallas, I think will be a lot about whether
people are willing to accept apologies for things and to
accept that folks have evolved. And going back to your
point that we have to keep talking about the threat
to democracy and all of it, those two people are
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the ones standing in the way of Donald Trump and
that's what it comes down to. Yeah, and that's you know,
got to be the chorus in all of this until
November fifth.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
That's gonna be interesting. Made me think about something because
I mean, I said, I said that they were going
to start pointing a finger at him in regards to
the aftermath of George Floyd. But if they start saying
he was a guy that like cops do whatever on
top of already you know Peyton commonly the top cop.
That's not gonna play well on social media.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
No, It's it's weird because it matters so much, and
I feel like it has, especially for Kamala, changed the
course of the last two weeks kind of the love
that she's been getting. But at the end of the day,
those aren't the tried and true voters, you know, we
didn't have Joe Biden as president because of social media.
We had Joe Biden as president because jen X and
(36:42):
Boomer black people showed up at the polls. So it's not,
you know, the vibes aren't real life. And we'll have
to see how that plays out. But a lot of
these kids that are posting about Gaza or you know,
are into brat summer right now, and then you know,
will fall out of love with her over whatever stance
(37:03):
she's taking, or they just find out that she's actually
a prosecutor. They put a lot of people behind bars.
Were they going to vote anyway? I'm not completely sure.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
All right, Well, we appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
How can you find you because, like you said, you're
not on social leg.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Then I'm on Twitter, which I know no one wants
to be around. But you could watch The Five, which
is five o'clock on Fox News channel.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
And I don't care. You have your own podcast is
something I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Working on it. Yeah, I'd love to do that. And yeah,
thank you guys so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Oh, thank you for coming. All right, you can catch
you on the Five, Like she said, Jessica tar Loaf
and a tarlof a tar.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Love, tarlove.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
All of it is good, okay yet the breakfast Club,
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Morning, everybody is DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, and Charlamagne de Gat.
We have a special guest with us this morning. We
have Jessica tar Love.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
How you feeling this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm good? Yeah, up early.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well we got to talk about some breaking newis.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I want to say I want to stay with Jessica.
You know we worked together once when we both did
Piers morgansh Yeah, And I've told you this off air,
but I really appreciate you because I watch all the
news networks. I watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and if you
don't watch these network you don't realize it's people actually
on Fox News who push back on a lot of
the misinformation and false narratives that exist on that network.
(00:41):
And you're one of them.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh well, thank you. And it was great to be
on Piers's show with you, and it's great to be
at Fox. I think liberals should show up at Fox
more often. A lot of persuadable voters out there, and
you have better conversations. It never appealed to me to
kind of sit around a table with four or five
people who are all kind of parroting the same thing,
or you're looking for that one little piece that could
(01:03):
differentiate you. So I've had a great time at Fox.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm glad you said that. That's something that I've I've
suggested to a lot of liberals, you know, especially the
VP now running for president. Yeah, go on Fox. President
Obama used to do it, you know you. Gavin Newsom
did it. When he started doing it, they started talking
about him being running for president. Secretary Buddha Judge does
it all the time. Go on there. Well.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Tim Walls was on two weeks ago. He did America's Newsroom,
which is, you know, a hard news program from nine
to eleven in the morning, and he was great. You know,
he's super affable no matter what environment he's in. But
I love it when I see elected officials showing up. Brettair,
who hosts Special Report, he has a segment called common
Ground where he brings on a Democrat and a Republican,
(01:48):
and Democrats even as left as Elizabeth Warren are clamoring
to get on there. It's a great venue for people
to show up. And just if you want to talk
to the most people possible, you're going to go to Fox.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
How'd you end up doing so?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I I went to graduate school in England. I did
a PhD in politics, and I came back to the
US and worked in polling for Bill Clinton's old polster.
And then he was a contributor at Fox. And he's
a very centrist Democrat guy called Doug Shown, and he
started pushing me to do media. It was actually just
(02:22):
like a great mentoring boss move. He said, you know,
when you work for someone who you can't ever be,
you know, no one's going to hire me. They're going
to hire Doug to do the job. He said, you
have to start building your own brand. And so he
called in a favor and just said, I have this
girl works for me. She's really smart. Give her a shot.
And I started going on and the relationship, you know,
(02:44):
just went from there and I started doing more and
more shows. Sean Hannity gave me a shot in primetime
and I started doing his show a lot, and I
got hired in twenty seventeen, you know, soon after Hillary loss,
and I've been there ever since.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I was going to ask, you know, how many times
have you been threatened? Don't on Fox News and the
dms of people at all, a lot on not too many.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I mean threatened is extreme. There my Twitter timeline, that's
the only social media that I have and I only
got it actually when I started coming on Fox a lot,
because Hannity in fact told me you just need to
people need to have a way to be able to
reach you. And it's a good way, or it used
to be a good way to consume news. Now it's
impossible to know what's true or not or fake on
(03:25):
AX I should call it. But my timeline is brutal.
I mean, people are not the loudest, voices are the cruelest.
If they meet you in person, they're so friendly, which
I can't stand, you know, everyone hiding behind the keyboard
warriors of it all. But there are a lot of
people who are really supportive from conservatives. I mean, we
have a huge democratic viewership on the five, so over
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twenty percent of the viewers are liberals, and we have
the highest number of independents as well from all the networks,
So a lot of support and now the way that
it works, and that's how you know, I see a
ton of what you guys are talking about because of
clip culture, right, you see like a little sound bite
and the liberal clip first or whatever you would call
it takes stuff off the five all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Right, You've been getting Yeah, you've been going viral a lot.
But I mean, like I said, it's because people aren't
used to seeing somebody push back.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, they always say, oh, I bet she's gonna this
is her last time appearing on Fox, or she's gonna
be fired, and I'm like, well, no, I've been there,
you know, eight years, and I assume I'm not getting fired.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I just I didn't even think about that. It's like,
damn you. You get the opposite of what most people
don't get, because you probably get the maga crazies who
come up to you bugging out. Because I was at
lunch one time. It was me and Kenny, because me
and Kenny a super cool yeah, and it was me
and Kennedy and Brian killed me with that. And this
guy walks up to Brian and goes, you, Brian killed me,
And Brian goes yeah, and he goes, I just wanted
to tell you go fuck yourself, jesus. I was actually
(04:52):
a few months ago. You had security though, right, yeah,
my security. Ye, you got to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, it's definitely, you know, because our offices are just
down the block from where we are here, and Manhattan
is not full of many conservatives, so there's definitely a
lot of uh, you encounter folks who are not fans
of people that work at Fox. Outside of New York though,
(05:21):
where it is Fox Country, people are so nice, really friendly,
but very traditional what you think of as nice conservative values.
And I just so, I have two daughters, I just
got back from maternity leaveing the RNC was my first
week back.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, so I land in twenty minutes later, Donald Trump's
ear gets shot and I was like, oh my god,
I don't think I can do this. You know, it
was just such a swirl and everyone I met in
Milwaukee could not have been nicer. You know. Everyone does
say I don't agree with your politics, but and I
think it's part of what makes actually Fox so successful
(05:59):
in general, but definitely versus the other networks, that they
really try to amplify your personal life. I mean, it's
something Kennedy obviously has excelled in her whole life. You know,
she talks about everything from her daughters, her dog, her
ex husband, her like you know, ever Jordan, her Michael
Jordan hitting on her her relationship with people like you,
(06:20):
what it's like to have had such a crazy life.
And then the viewers, whether they like your politics or not,
they feel something kindred with you. And so I think
it's that's definitely helped me get through, you know, whatever
shit has hurled at me online.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I was gonna say, so, what do you think about
you know, yesterday it was broken at Kamala Harris is
picking Tim Wallas. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So I actually thought it was going to be him,
just based on the last couple of days. So Jos
Shapiro definitely seemed like the smart He's the guy. He
was the guy, I mean, the Baruck Obama of it all,
you know, I love And you could tell that the
(07:04):
Republicans they've not only been floundering with what do they
do about Kamala, they did not know what to do
about Josh Shapiro. I mean, he is the absolute opposite
of JD. Vance right, like the genuine article. When you
hear either of them speak, one sounds like he's still
in law school and the other sounds like he could
be president of the United States. And so I had
(07:26):
thought it was going to be Josh Shapiro, and we
need Pennsylvania's electoral votes, so all of that was pretty aligned.
And then stories started to leak out about how much
Kamala's team was enjoying Tim Waltz's team and Tim Waltz personally.
And I don't want to make it into like this
has become a ViBe's election, but I think the fact
that Tim Waltz was the guy to first say these
(07:49):
Republicans they're just weird, right, because everyone has been searching
for a way to describe Donald Trump. You know, we've
gone through all the usual stuff, talking about the race, bad,
how bad his policies are, et cetera. But when he's
up there talking about electrocuting sharks or the late Great
Hannibal Lecter, You're like, how do I actually put into
words how weird this is? And Tim Walls was the
(08:12):
first guy to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He was a don't have no legs, And I feel like,
and weird is the understatement wed weird almost sounds cute.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I think what's going on? And again I started with
I thought it should have Josh A barrow makes the
most sense on paper, And all of this is that
everyone has gone back to their corners, so Republicans and
Democrats are where they're going to go, and you're just
focused on like one hundred thousand moderates that are in
these four or five key swing states. And they have
(08:40):
been saying in survey after survey, I don't want to
hear about January sixth anymore. I don't want to hear
about thretta democracy. I want to hear about your policies.
I want the rhetoric toned down. You know, people are
sick of it. They don't want to hear that it's
the end of the world tomorrow, whether you're saying it's
because Donald Trump's going to become president, or like when
AOC said climate change is going to wipe out the
planet by twenty two eight or whatever it is. And
(09:01):
I think that Tim Walls has a vibe that not
only made her feel comfortable, but that people who are
looking for toning down of the rhetoric are going.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
To I don't think you should toe down the rhetoric.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I know you're very I appreciate it. When we were
on Piers's show together, you know, we were you know,
I felt bad for Dave Ruben, who was sitting between
us because it was like a threat to democracy, you know,
Cookie there he was just sitting in the middle and
we were going at it. But I agree with you.
I think you should. We should never stop talking about that.
But unfortunately, the way it works is the people that
(09:39):
we need to win over don't want to hear it
of any anymore. It's baked in.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But do you know the country it says that they're
tired of two white old men running for president, and
I think that just adds to it. You know, they
didn't want to see Trump abid it and people weren't
excited about it. It seems like it brings that energy
right back into it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He's only six months older than Yeah, he just looks
he looks.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
He does. He did have a great line that if
you were a teacher for twenty years, you would look
like that too. I mean looks great and he looks
particularly bad for a sixty year old. But yes, he
was also the football coach, I think it was. But
he is bringing that boomer dad energy to it. And
I think that she ended up going with someone that
(10:22):
she felt more comfortable with. And you know, people will
pick this apart. They'll say which I think has a
lot of merit. You know, Josh Shapiro was supportive of
school vouchers, and the teacher unions were not particularly thrilled
with that. Labor leaders who have been giving interviews have
put Walls and Basher at the top of their list,
and we know that Democrats don't win without labor unions
(10:44):
live in.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
A nuanced with the school voucher thing. Because Governor Spiro
was also supportive of public schools as well, up a
lot of money into public schools, especially the breakfast programs there.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Oh totally, but Tim Walls's breakfast and lunch okay, so
you get your lunch too, no matter your income. I
think that it really came down to what she was
comfortable with. And I think that even though she has
outperformed expectations the last couple of weeks, I think she
has risen to the occasion in a way that a
lot of people didn't expect. And I know you've always
(11:16):
been a fan of Kamala's, but there are a lot
of Democrats who didn't see it right. In twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty said, you know, she has her first huge
rally in Oakland, and we thought this is it right?
This is the woman that can do it. And we
were so despondent after Hillary's loss and thought that this
was the woman that could take over that mantle and
(11:37):
it just flamed out, right, And she has seemed like
that person over the last couple of weeks. But she's
more nervous than someone that's running for president.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I've seen her.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, oh totally, but she has I think it's part
of the authenticity. But the right will make it out
to be unprepared, nervous, et cetera. And I think she
wanted to be with someone that made her feel comfortable,
and I think that's what Tim Walls did.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, it might be something to that, because I mean
another thing, people are going to point to the fact
she hadn't done an official press conference yet, She hadn't
done any interviews, right, So you know, if the narrative
for Biden was they were hiding him, keeping the basement,
didn't want him to talk, that can't be her narrative. No.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, And the rallies don't count, right, I mean, they're
going to be great events. The rally in Atlanta with
Megan de Sallian was fabulous. She's in Philly tonight. I
think it's a ten thousand person crowd. But she's got
to sit down and do the interviews. And I said
this on Fox last week. I really think she should
do an interview where she lets them play the tape
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of all of the really progressive things that she said,
you know, talking about defunding the police, talking about healthcare
for you know, people who are here undocumented, and explain
from a policy perspective why she changed her mind that
these are things that you believe in in principle right
that we treat every person some of the same level
of humanity and dignity when you actually get into governing,
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this is how the nuts and bolts of it work.
And give a really boring interview where you just seem
like a policy wonk and show that you were actually
doing everything. With Biden, I think the Biden team didn't
do her a great service by kind of pushing her.
I'm not talking about being in charge of the border,
because Joe Biden was in charge of the border when
he was VP. That's very typical. But I don't think
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they've shone a bright enough light on her for the
things that she was doing and doing well, Like apparently
the idea to cap insulin at thirty five dollars that
came out of the Harris side of things. That's one
of the most popular policies. Give it to her, like
give her.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Her flowers in the American Rescue.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Totally, the money for rural broadband for HBCUs, you know.
And she's done a great job talking about the Dobbs
decision obviously dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
To mental health initiative.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, and also they didn't play up that she was,
you know, the top cop of California.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I think I think she's been trying to herself from that.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
But she shouldn't especially lean in for this selection. Like
everyone is absolutely in their corners. You have these moderates
who did want a Josh Shapiro come out and tell
them about everyone you prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
How is Fox gonna spend the Tim Walls thing? Because
I got some ideas, right, I'm not giving him my deals.
But this is what I think they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This is given to my DEAs.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
No, it's not. This is what I think they're gonna do.
I think they're they're gonna they're gonna point to the
to the the far left being anti Semitic, and they're
gonna point to a lot of anti Symitism that might
exist in the Democratic Party because a lot of people
have already been asking. I was watching ce N last night,
Dana Bash asked Nancy Pelosi, why is Josh Shapiro getting
so much flak over his Israel Gaza stands when him
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and Tim Walls.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Is the same.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, Yeah, I think that's gonna be one. I think
Fox News is gonna run videos of the aftermath of
George Floyd, the Riots air coach. He has the city
burning in Minnesota. I think they're gonna play that and
say he was in charge of all of this. I
think those are the two ways they're they're gonna attack definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And I you know, I'm I'm Jewish. I think our
party has an anti Semitism problem that they don't want
to deal with properly. And I think that the way
that Josh Shapiro has been treated does reflect that to
some degree, even the anxiety about it popping up and
you'll see left wing commentators like a Medi Hassan, for instance, saying,
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you know, Josh Shapiro is fantastic, why do you want
to anger this part of the bass right that's going
to be upset about this. That's part of the protest,
the college campus protests, et cetera. And you're totally right.
Josh Shapiro has a record of statements and opinions on
Israel that is exactly the same as the four finalists.
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If you took the quotes, you could say it was
Andy Basheer or Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, Tim Waltz. I mean,
Tim Waltz has gone and taken selfies with Net and Yahoo.
No one has brought that up at all.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Shapiro called it, and yeah, he was one of the fields,
the fields that I remember.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Which just how the majority of American Jews feel. You know,
we don't like nat Yaho. Israelis don't like Natan Yaho.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So how should they handle Israel?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
How should they handle that situation? Because it seems very
they're walking on egg shells when they speak about it,
and you talk about it on these side, how would
you advise that they handle it?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well, I think the priority what you should just be
saying every single day, and I hate that it's dropped
out of the discourses. Bring the hostages home, that's all.
That's what this is about. There are still dozens of
people that are being held in captivity in Gaza by Hamas.
That's a priority. And Kamala was asked she landed in
the tarmac in Atlanta before her rally last week, and
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she was very clear, Israel has a right to defend
itself and I think that you're seeing that play out.
But now that we have what's going on with Iran
and all of this, this is going it seems like
going to blow up into a larger problem in the
Middle East than just being able to say this is
about Israel and what's gone on in Gaza. But I
think it would be smart for her Vice President Harris
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to continue on the track that Biden has been on.
I mean, the proposal that has gotten us the closest
to peace and the hostages coming home was honed out
of that administration. I think Secretary Blinkeln has done a
great job, and if I were her, I wouldn't change
anything for how it is, because it's holding together the
coalition and the way to win the election. And it
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seems like moving the needle with Nan Yahoo as much
as you can. I mean, they have been it sounds
like from the reporting, you know, behind the scenes, really
forceful with him and just saying kind of like stop
fucking around, like I don't want to see anything in
the West Bank. I don't want you to be giving
any more power than any right wingers in this, like
get the hostages home and you know we're out. So
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I would continue on with where Joe Biden has been
going with this if I were her, and she should
speak to it, and I would address it even with
the Josh not picking Josh Shapiro, like why not say
something like big eater up about that?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I really do because even when the language they're using
when they say they didn't want to pick Shapiro because
they picked the Walls because he does the least damage.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, it's a do no harm.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What does that mean? Where's the damage coming from? Well?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I do think with Shapiro that part of that is
the teachers' union issue, that that could break up the
labor the labor coalition. But there is anxiety. I mean
my text messages when the announcement came out was full
of my friends who are Jewish, with some just disappointed
wanted her to go for it, just to say kind
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of like fuck you to everybody and I'm going with
the guy that makes the most electoral sense, a guy
who people could see as presidential right that he's on
his way to that. And Tim Waltz, it should be noted,
does not seem like that. And that's part of the
do no harm principle and kind of why Obama picked
Biden that, I mean, the corollaries are interesting between that.
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I mean, Joe Biden was someone that could shore up
the blue wall for him, right, he had that affable
way of talking. Some of it were gaffes, but no
one thought Joe Biden was a bad guy, and no
one thinks Tim Wallace is a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, that depends if those of us who knew about
the ninety four crime Bill in the eighties, the commandatory,
I mean, I'm citizen, did We didn't think he was
the greatest guy. Those of us who knew, you know,
he gave the eulogies that segregation is, you know, like
strom Therman's funerals. I'm from South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That no I understand, Yeah, and I certainly hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
There's a lot of bad policy.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
There is a lot of bad policy. There has been
also a lot of repentance for bad policy. Is it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think. I mean, he's certainly I think the best
of to'ement his legislation.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
When it comes to the legislation, well, don't you think
that Biden has at least looking at the Biden Harris
record or what went on under the Obama years, that
there has been some repentance from that as a policy.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I don't think so. Not not enough. In regards to
the crime bills, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I mean, I think he has made an effort, does it,
and it never goes far enough for anyone. And part
of that is the structure of you often need bipartisan
support for something and what are you going to get.
I mean, the crime bill that was bipartisan under the
Trump administration that Tim Scott did, it doesn't move the needle, really,
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I don't think that much. And it's difficult to really
have kind of soaring legislation that is going to make
a massive difference. I at least from how he's spoken
about it. I feel like Joe Biden has a lot
of regret about things that he signed on to. The
Clintons have obviously spoken about that as well. But you
can't undo damage that you've done to people's lives like that,
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so that's something that will hang over them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Do you think that they will debate or do you
think it's not going to happen?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Kamala hell oh, I think they. I mean, I certainly
think they should. I think that she should say three debates,
and I think it's fair to start with September tenth
on ABC because that was an agreed upon one, and
then do a Fox debate and then do a something
else to maybe a Univision debates something I think they
absolutely should, and the contrast will be really stark. It's
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been interesting to see like all of the negatives about
Biden's age and his competency have now moved over to
Trump now that there's only one really old guy in
the race. And I think that even excuse me, even
if she has some moments where she stumbles, she's still
going to look like the vibrant, fresh alternative in all
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of this, and he's going to seem like an old
sexist guy that's yelling at a woman like he did
with Hillary. Remember she was like, why why are you yelling?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, but that's the reason why I don't think he
wants to do it. Like That's why I'm thinking he's
throwing things out there where he feels that she wouldn't do,
you know, so it makes it seem like it's her
not wanting to do it, where obviously he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I mean, we pay more attention to the press releases
in all of this than a lot of people. I
think it's all just stupid game, right, Like my comms
person is going to say this, and then you're comms
person is going to say this, and they should be
thinking about, Okay, there's one hundred thousand people that I
need to convince they're going to pay attention to a debate.
(22:12):
I should job up for a debate.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
What did you think about him doing Aidan Ross yesterday
a streamer.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I mean, it was probably a smart electoral move for him,
but I found it repulsive.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I thought it was great only because I feel like
you have to meet people where they are.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I agree, But Aiden Ross has kind of played around
in certainly in the anti Semitic with like a Nick
Fuenttes type of character, someone who is eating at mar
A Lago as well. I you know, I tend to
be I guess a bit of a Pollyanna about that,
where I think certain people I'm not talking about deplatforming.
And I understand they have a base, but if I
was running for president, I wouldn't want to sit down
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with someone who has had given safe harbor to someone
who you know, thinks the Holocaust was a hoax.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, I'm with you, but you know there's a new
voter turning eighteen every day and that dude's demo is
like age thirteen to twenty four. And it's just like, yo,
you sometimes you have to really meet people where they are.
I was talking to a lot of you know, liberals
yesterday and they were saying to me, we care about
young voters, not young people, And I'm like, well, what's
the difference. You might energize some of those young people
to register to become young voters. Like, for all we know,
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Donald Trump might have had cast fifty thousand, one hundred
thousand kids that never thought about voting to go ready
to the vote yesterday. You don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And again that's why I say it was smart electorally
from a pr perspective, that just plays into liberals hands
obviously that you say, like, this guy is not going
to sit down with George Stephanopoulos, but he has no
problem going on there, and it's not like you show
up and he didn't hold his feet to the fire
about anything. That was part of the controversy with Ronald
McDaniel getting hired at MSNBC. Now I said, I think
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it's fair to hire her. She has a wealth of
knowledge that would be interesting for viewers. She knows how
it actually works. But when she's interviewed, asked her about
election denialism, that's the way you do it, Like, that's
why you work in journalism, that's why you have a platform.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
But he can't really them, can't really say anything yet
because the vice president hasn't done anything.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You know, she she's got to do it, and I
think she will. I'm sure they're figuring out what venue
they think is the right one to start off. But
I imagine be you know, like a lesser Holt or
someone like that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't know if I want to Well, no, I
think you should do some of that, But then you
should also go to the non traditional ones like yeah,
like Trump just did when he went, you know, he
went to the National Association of Broadcast Journalists. That was
different for him.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He would sat down with a very generous to say
that was different for him, it was.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Different for all of us all that he went and
sat down with Aiden Ross that's a non traditional outlet
that has a big audience. I think she needed to
do a little bit of both.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Well, she's done little things like she was you know,
she did RuPaul's drag Race. She should definitely do sit Down.
And I think the fact that they are running this
very gen Z focused campaign. I mean, if you go
on TikTok, it's brat summer, you know, all over the place.
You know she will be doing things like that. And
I know that her team is working to harness all
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of these big voices. I think Beyonce gave like four
million dollars. I thought so. But she's definitely going to
do an event and actually and she let her use
Freedom obviously as her song. So I'm sure you're going
to be seeing a lot of the big players. Taylor
Swift changed her bio and Instagram to something like just
a cat lady after jd Vance went after childless cat ladies.
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You know there will be It's interesting to see because
this is kind of surpassing the usual democratic mojo. Like
we know people in Hollywood and entertainers tend to lean left,
but there seems to be a genuine enthusiasm for Kamala
that's different than just this is the ticket right like,
kind of as if it were Obama again.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Why did white women in Troo De sixteen vote against
their own interests by supporting Trump? And do you think
they'll make that same mistake again this year?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It upsets me to this day. I think I joined
and listened to a bit of the white women for
Harris Call and also the white dudes for Harris Call,
and a lot of it was about that, and it's
just feelings of regret and remorse over not doing enough
or flat out voting the wrong way. Though this tended
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to be a more liberal crowd, they changed course in
twenty twenty. We didn't get Joe Biden because of the
usual court constituency. We got those white moderate women back
right in the suburbs of Atlanta, outside of Phoenix, et cetera.
I imagine they'll stay the course. I think the Dobbs
decision is so electrifying for people, and not just because
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you know, women want to be able to have abortion
on demand or whatever ridiculous right wing talking point there
would be, but because women know that after six weeks
you can't even get a heartbeat scan, or they know
how difficult a time they have had getting pregnant, or
that you know twenty five to three percent of women
are going to have a miscarriage in their lives, and
the majority of women who are getting an abortion are
people who've already had children. That it's part of family planning.
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And I think that that's going to be a huge
issue for Democrats and one that keeps moderate white women
who might vote Republican if it was a Mitt Romney
or someone who seemed normal in all of this.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
In the fold, what do you say to people who
feel like Fox shouldn't be allowed to host the debate
because they lost the dominion lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think it's silly. Bretta and Martha, who will be
the anchors for the debate and are our election night coverage,
are complete straight shooters. I mean, Brett Baar was the
last serious interview that Donald Trump did and he hasn't
done it again because Brett humiliated him so much. Remember
when he read all the quotes about what people are
saying about him, and he said, like, why does no
one want to work for you anymore? Right. Trump has
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something like all of his high level staff, no one's
coming back. And they've written in memoirs and done interviews
speaking to you know, ideas of like can I just
go shoot protesters during the Black Lives Matter summer protests,
you know, talking about how veterans who get killed are
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losers not wanting to go What was it in Normandy?
They didn't want to go to the graves of the
veterans because it was raining out, like things like that.
That's all coming out from people who worked for Donald Trump.
And Brett Baher was the one who really held his
feet to the fire about that. So I think it's silly.
I think the two things are completely unrelated. And you know,
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I understand that there are folks who take issue with Fox.
It's part of what I think is important about showing
up and that I like that I do because people
get genuinely shocked. They're like, oh, this was going on
at Fox. I'm like, yeah, it's going on every single day,
you know, on the highest rated show on the network.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, you would be good on CNN now and then
you know, has they put both sides up there? Now?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah? I listen. I have great respect for everybody have
a lot of friends that work at the other networks.
I think that having never trumpers is not a real
reflection of the Republican Party because whether you like it
or not, or whatever you feel about him, it's Trump's party.
And yeah, they do have folks who will show up
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every once in a while that are supportive of Trump,
but they're not the diehards, right. It's not somebody who
saw something in Trump when he came down that golden
escalator and understood about you know, how he was speaking
at issues like immigration or how he's talking about the economy,
and that it really resonated. It seems more like political
operators to me than the genuine article.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What's your thoughts on JD. Vance? I know you mentioned
him a little earlier. What's your thoughts on him totally
switchsides like not a Trump supporter, disliking Trump, hating Trump,
and then all of a sudden Trump's his best friend.
What's your thoughts on that? In ef fect that I
don't feel like we dive into that enough.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
About Jdvans or just people in Jenety listen, I think
jad Vance was the absolute worst pick for VP for Trump,
and that doesn't mean that I think that Trump is
going to lose. I think probably even though the forecasts
are shifting, that he still has a structural advantage. So
I'm putting that out there. But jd Vance was the
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only choice that he had that doesn't really move the needle.
He doesn't have a different base than Trump. You know,
Trump was winning Ohio. Jd Vance underperformed Governor DeWine, the
Republican governor there, I think by double digits. I think
that Trump, if he hadn't been shot, would not have
picked JD Vance. I think that the fact that Jade
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Vance came out there and was the first person to
tweet that this was Joe Biden and the Democrat's fault
that he went with Jade Vance because he's like a
security blanket and he felt good to him, and he's
not a threat at all. Donald Trump just can't stand
anyone that feels threatening, and jdvans no one looks at
him and thinks he's presidential, you know. And I think
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that that was also a miscalculation because now that people
do see Trump as the old guy, you are looking
to the vice president more than you would be, right.
So if he had someone at the RNC. I met
Glenn young Kin for the first time, the governor of Virginia.
I was blown away also by the fact that he's
six foot nine, which I did not know. Charming, very
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policy oriented. The crowd loved his speech that he gave,
and all of my smart Republican friends were dying for
Trump to pick young Kin to at least moderate the
ticket a bit. You know, we all have friends that
live in New Jersey, live in a Virginia and have
had Republican governors and been just fine, and it would
have sent that kind of message. So jd Vance, I
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think it sounds like from reporting that it was his
sons that were pressuring him to do it LinkedIn Dad,
pick my friend, pick my friend, and foundation, Well, they've
done a number with that one. They're like, oh, Project
twenty twenty five, we have nothing to do with it.
If one hundred former Trump officials are working.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
On it Jade Vans as their pick, that's what they
want it totally.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, I think it's because it's a blank slate. You
could do anything you want to him. I mean, someone
who would write a book like that, give the number
of interviews that he's done talking about Trump and you
know that he's maybe America's Hitler. I don't know how
you reverse course on that. I understand how you change
your mind about single payer healthcare. I don't understand how
you think that America's Hitler is what the country needs.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
From calling him Hitler to giving them Hawk TWA. I
mean it's just like a full throat endorsement, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
This morning. I do love his wife though. I think
she's great and they should be using her more. Her speech,
her introduction of him at the R and C I
thought was fantastic. She's uber. I mean they're both uber smart.
You know, you don't get to Yale Law School being
a big dumb dumb. But they should be using her more, definitely.
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But she she was a registered Democrat until twenty twenty two,
and she seems very uneasy with what's going on. I
can't imagine, Actually, if my husband woke up and was like,
I'm going to go work for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You said something, you said you think Trump is going
to win because he's more which just structured.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He has a structural advantage.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
When you say structural advantage, what do you mean that
he has a bunch of Republicans across the country, who
probably won't rechoose the certified or results of the election,
and hettle help, and he's got the Supreme Court if
he challenges it.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
You know, all of those things. But I just mean
the way the electoral college is. You know, Kama's favored
to win the popular vote. The Democrat basically always wins
a popular vote, and then we lose the electoral college.
I mean, it's crazy how how far you have to
outperform the Republican if you're the Democrat in the you know,
one person, one vote standard to be able to win.
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And so that's why I still think that he has
an advantage. And you know we're getting there in the
enthusiasm gap, but Donald Trump's supporters are diehards in a
way that she has yet to build that kind of fervor.
You know that Obama twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's why I don't like it at Tim Wall's pick.
That's why I feel like you can put another star
on the ticket the same way you said somebody like
Trump is, you know, scared to have somebody that can
outshine him. You gotta what you call him baristo Obama?
Would you call it? You gotta put barok Obama. You
gotta put Governor Josh pirout. He's another star. I feel
like that to me that that I'm not gonna say
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it's so it locks things up, but I think that's
a better.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, there's no doubt that the Trump team is happy
about this, you know, and any day that Republicans are
happy as a bad day for me. But I do
think that Tim Waltz will surprise and delight people in
a way that they're not expecting.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
He has this America's Dad background, being a teacher and
a football coach. He flipped a conservative seat in Minnesota
in twenty and six when he entered Congress. One of
the stories that I I found the most engaging and
just very sweet his daughter came to him. I think
it was after the Parkland shooting and he had an
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A rating from the NRA, and she said, Dad, we
guns are the problem here. You know, it's always the guns.
Now he has an F rating from the NRA. He
is someone who's willing to listen to people to change
his mind. He has apologized going back to the point
that you made about how many Apolis was handled in
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the wake of George Floyd's murder he's said it was
an abject failure. And this election with both Kamala and
Tim Wallas, I think will be a lot about whether
people are willing to accept apologies for things and to
accept that folks have evolved. And going back to your
point that we have to keep talking about the threat
to democracy and all of it, those two people are
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the ones standing in the way of Donald Trump and
that's what it comes down to. Yeah, and that's you know,
got to be the chorus in all of this until
November fifth.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
That's gonna be interesting. Made me think about something because
I mean, I said, I said that they were going
to start pointing a finger at him in regards to
the aftermath of George Floyd. But if they start saying
he was a guy that like cops do whatever on
top of already you know Peyton commonly the top cop.
That's not gonna play well on social media.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
No, It's it's weird because it matters so much, and
I feel like it has, especially for Kamala, changed the
course of the last two weeks kind of the love
that she's been getting. But at the end of the day,
those aren't the tried and true voters, you know, we
didn't have Joe Biden as president because of social media.
We had Joe Biden as president because jen X and
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Boomer black people showed up at the polls. So it's not,
you know, the vibes aren't real life. And we'll have
to see how that plays out. But a lot of
these kids that are posting about Gaza or you know,
are into brat summer right now, and then you know,
will fall out of love with her over whatever stance
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she's taking, or they just find out that she's actually
a prosecutor. They put a lot of people behind bars.
Were they going to vote anyway? I'm not completely sure.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
All right, Well, we appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
How can you find you because, like you said, you're
not on social leg.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Then I'm on Twitter, which I know no one wants
to be around. But you could watch The Five, which
is five o'clock on Fox News channel.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
And I don't care. You have your own podcast is
something I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Working on it. Yeah, I'd love to do that. And yeah,
thank you guys so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Oh, thank you for coming. All right, you can catch
you on the Five, Like she said, Jessica tar Loaf
and a tarlof a tar.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Love, tarlove.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
All of it is good, okay yet the breakfast Club,
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club
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