June 12, 2023 • 40 mins
Method Man Talks Hip Hop Authenticity, Greatest Rap Crew Of All Time + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
No, he didn't and never had an original idea and
his fucking like non playing.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's let's go here we go morning, everybody. It's dj en.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
V Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club. We
got a legend and icon in the building. I gotta
spell it out. M ME T H O D.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
They staying in interviews, it's all you know what I'm saying.
When did they be hearing interviews?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Charla?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
We were having a conversation before you walked in, Yes, sir,
we were talking about, you know, our annuals and going
to the doctor and this, that and the other. So
I was telling you know, we were talking about colonoscopy,
and the ladies in the room was like, yeah, they
put you out, And I'm like, it was one of
the best sleeps ever.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Right, it's the same stuff they get Michael Jackson. They
tell you that before they do it. That's exactly what
they said. I didn't want to say their name is
chut To Trade.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But that said they put you to sleep. They never
put me to sleep.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Impossible, right, because I did not know what the subject.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He never got a colonoscopy, He got a prostate exam.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
You got you got ja, Yeah, I don't think I've
had a prostetate exam.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You have a prostet exam.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I had to coolons. You have.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Look black man, we're most acceptable to prostate cancer soon.
I mean I got mines checked first the first time.
At forty four. You supposed the way to your fifty
forty five fifty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, it's forty five to get kolonoscopy. Kolonoscopy.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
No, it was fifty or fifty.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
They just changed it for forty five.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You got to get kolonoscopy. That's what They sicked the
tube up your butt, all right, and they look around
for any polyps.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So for the uninformed, it's basically to make sure you
don't have cancer's tumor.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
That's right side, because if.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
They catch it early, it can save you.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, you don't have to go for another ten years,
so they know that you're free of cancer for ten years.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
To say if you don't, what are the symptoms of.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You might not have a symptom.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But yeah, I mean the.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
People that I've known that have lost their lives to it,
rest in peace. My man combat Jack. He by the
time he went, he stayed four. But he did say
he thought that his stomach was getting bigger, but said
he thought it was because he was drinking and he
wasn't eating bloated.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It could be blood in your stool, could be a
bunch of different things. Sorry to talk about it today,
but we got to make sure you go to.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That absolutely, absolutely absolutely, But you ca get blood and
you're stool from straining too hard, right, correct.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I never got blood in my still to.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Be I haven't personally, I don't know, but I can't
believe we having a conversation with meth about health when
he is absolutely positively probably.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Personally in hip hop.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Now I'm informed about getting a colonoscopy, I have to Oh,
I'm not going to look into it. I have to
get it done absolutely all right, Well that's something I
have to do.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Once you get so heavy in the workout games. I've
been watching you for years on Instagram, but like, what
made you do it?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It? When it's been about ten eleven years now, ten thirteen,
one hundred years now, I don't know. It was more
or less. It started with insomnia for me, and I
had a membership, but I've never really used it. I
would go sporadically here and there on and off like
a lot of people do. But something just clicked to
me and said, you know what, let's go go see
what's up with the gym. It was about four in
(02:59):
the morning. I was having all this insomnia and it
was open, so I started going. I had already had
like my own program that I was following that my
training had gave me previously. So you know, one three
days started turning into four days, and four days turned
into a month, and months turned into you know, years,
and my journey's been pretty good. Man. I had some
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good people around me helping me along the way as well.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
The fact that it's four in the morning, you don't
have to worry about people in the gin bothering you
yet kind of quiet and alone.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And you know, it was a little community in there,
about five or six people that showed up every morning,
and they kind of welcomed me with open arms after
they so I was about the first month you got
at least show for it, like the first month then
they're like, okay, this got serious, and you know, I
was getting tips and things, and matter of fact, later
on when I found a workout partner, which is great
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for anybody should always find a workout partner. They keep
you honest and you keep them honus as well. From there,
that's when the journey really happened. Because up to that
point I wasn't even like following a strict diet regiment
or anything of that sort, you know, because I was
that that uninformed. But over the years, having to work
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out partner and being around these people that were dedicated
to it, picking up tips and things of that nature. Yeah,
definitely turned me into a gym rap.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Did you slow down smoking at all?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I wondered whether that because you were always the old
g weed guy and you know, like you snoop bread.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah. I mean, I mean that's a that's a nice
little lane to be in and stuff. But I always
said I had so much more to offer and I
would hate to be just identified as just the weak guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I mean I think I've done a pretty decent
job of that.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
No, that's understand absolutely.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
It's interesting because they got the BT's greatest rap crews
of right right.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Wu Tanger's death ro.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I'm not disrespecting Death Row and everything that they represented.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I just don't know how it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Can came down to Woo and death Row.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
To me, for me, it's the greatest. But Defro was
not a rap group to me. They're not around the label.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And I think that's what they judged a lot of
it based on as well. I mean, you got to
really think about it. Those are groups, you know, death Row,
but it was groups within groups, especially with a Wu
Tang clan, especially with the way we came in the
game as a group with the option to sign as
solo artists. So yeah, it kind of makes sense. And
I'm just humbled and honored in the same breath because
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you know, death Row, they were what three years before
we even dropped, about three years before we even dropped,
and we had heard nothing like that before from the
West Coast. I mean, I was a big n W
A fan, you know. But other than that, everything else
kind of slipped through the cracks. Even mc hammler, you know,
for a minute, he even slipped through the crash because
we didn't really gravitate to Hammer like that. He even
knew it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It was more or less like you ain't hitting in him,
and you ain't hitting in New York. I'm gonna turn
his mother out, And he turned his mother out. He
did exactly that. But I mean to be up against
those guys, it's honor because, like I said, they put
it down like who I had never heard anything like
snoop or corrupt Dad's rage, any of them. You know
that what was it? Stranded on Death Row was the record.
(06:14):
That was the first thing that I heard from them,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
From a Wow, you guys are.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Hold on.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I was going to tell people they already defeated, you know,
because we were talking about crews. They defeated Good Music,
Rough Riders, the Juice Crew, G Unit, and Death Row
has defeated Y M C, M, B T, d E
and n w A.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Now that the last battle is.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Absolutely battle is verseus Death Row, and the voting can
start right now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So how can you vote? Let me ask the people
on in the back, how can they vote?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Dot com that's Kim Sorry's voice, b E T dot
com slash vote if you want to vote, and today
is the deadline?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Correct? Yeah, today it's the deadline. Slash go vote, slash
go vote, bt dot Com slash go vote. I mean
vote Wu Tang, vote death Rod. Vote with your heart,
you know what I mean? Like I said, it's just
happy to be in the same space. With that greatness
right there.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Come on, man, y'all o tang man.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I get it, I get it. But you know, like
I said, humility is always gonna be my go to
in situations like this. You never want to make things
bigger than what they actually are. You let other people
do that for you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
How did you develop that relationship because you had that
relationship with them because you was on a mind made
up with Pop.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, that was weird because it was because I had
a relationship with Snoop and dog Pound. I mean I
had Snoop in my in my fore runner uptown. Wow.
You know what I mean. We went to the gate,
and I swear on anything I love each time I
ever went there to drag, would I put my money
through the slot and give me the weed it, I
bring Snoop. He opened the door. I'm serious as snook
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and vows for this. Let us in. Yeah, babies running
around it. I've never been in this gate before, Like,
oh shit, so this is what it's like.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
What year was this this Doggy Star?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah? Yeah, Donkey style Snoop another Wow, And the Snoop
was in the hood in Harlem. Yeah, no, security. Dog
Pound was with us too.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Beef though what it's so called?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, yeah, well it wasn't really no, we know those
are informed. No it wasn't. But the funny shit wasn't
we get back in the car corrupt look at this ship?
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Was like, yo, good, this ship got ship, got sticks
to seeds.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You knowing about that choco. They ain't knowing about that chocolate.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
This ship.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It probably was the whack weed down that I think
about it, this ship man, you know, shout out to
Benny Rat, b Rat, he don't want to put me
onto that spot, remember Benny? Yes, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
So how did the record come about?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Like, well, hanging out with the you know, each time
they came to the East Coast, I'd hang out with them.
When I came to the West coast, vice versa, and
you know, Das came and scooped us up. We went
to dash crib smoking. He has some records. He's just
playing some ship and we just spin on it. And
the original song had myself rage, Dad's corrupt of course
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red man.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, I think that verse just got released, but I
don't know if it's a yeah, I can't tell.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, it's real. Wow, from the story that I heard
through the interviews, Park was like, the record too long, anyway,
take that ship off. There, no disrespect to debt, but
it was more or less like he's thinking, I got
red at bedfit bed or this record that, let's chop
it right there. The shit too long? Took rage off
the record. But I'd never actually recorded with Park the
same way I did with Big. When I recorded with Big,
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Tracy Waples in the background, she came and scooped me.
Tracy came and scooped me, And I wasn't supposed to
be doing the record, so I kind of snuck it
went and did it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Why was he supposed to do it?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Because well, you.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Know, none of No, it's more or less because Wu
tang Rizza. The plan was, if we get hot, we
keep the money in the family first, then we'll build
what everybody else wants to wear, right, you know what
I mean? And you got like your hardest artists in
your group at that point in time, going to do
all the records. You know, I did it twice too,
by the way I did the the what with Big
end then I went snuck and dead how high with
(10:07):
Redman sore. I'm just saying, I'm just saying you know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Way so to break it down. So so Tracy picked
you up.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Tracy picked me up to take me to the studio
to do the What with Biggie Smalls that day, and
me and Puffy played Torchu. I remember that, right, Yeah,
we definitely played Torch. I got his ass good too.
I think I did that.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
What was puff torture?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I can't even remember. He was just saying, I don't
know it was I don't know. It was a lot
of I don't know. I can't remember actual game. That
wasn't just a he just it was just a skit
on the album. But we used to play that, you know.
We used to do it around the way and she
instead of snapping on each other, we used to play
Torch and ship. And I guess Puff heard the skit
and he wanted to play torture. So he got tortured
in that motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
During that time, Big was there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
He was there and he wrote his wrong Contrary to
what people say, he didn't need pen of paper. He
wrote his rhyme there, and I wrote my rhyme there.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Oh he so he had a pin in the path.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yes, yes he did, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Are those first? Are those the first? Draft verses like
did y'all go back and change them?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I wasn't going back and changed it, like it wasn't
even I mean we're talking analog. So it was like
when you went there and spit if you fucked up,
you had to start over and start from the top
and spit it again and right wrong, right, he don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Damn you ask one of the youngest people that, damn.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
So's I got a question about that then, because Biggie
is his verse, don't tip me and then you go thho.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
He wanted me to have some type of he said,
don't don't mess. It actually was m E. Yeah, he
said that means don't He wanted me to come in
right after that with th h O d man right
behind m E. But it didn't fall into the pocket
because I was I had already written my verse, like
I'm writing my ship, like I'm already four balls in.
But you want me to start it with some other ship.
It's like, okay, I'll try. But it overlapped. They wanted
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to wrap it over each other, wrapping over each other.
But it still works.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You ask me, oh, so.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
His lyrics going to be m instead of saying me, oh, man,
I always like when I talk to y'all, it's like
unbelievablecause I don't even know y'all.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Shod is like Greek mythology.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Bro Like to.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Us on the outside looking in, it's like that's it
don't even seem real, y'all, like real superhero Damn yes, wow,
because we.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Don't never hear these stories. Fact they had two greats
and how they broke it down and how they that.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
All the time, Like when I'm talking to people from
that era, it's like, yo, that is that.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's literally like reading Greek mythology.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's a lot of well, of course, because I'm not
I'm not going to say, let's say hip hop was
in its early twenties at that point, stay still young,
you know what I'm saying. But it's like the fuck
a lot. You know what I'm saying. It's like, I'm
out in these streets twenty years old. I'm finding out
what life is about. So it was a lot of
more authentic, a lot more authenticity. When you heard records
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from the West Coast, you know it's from the West Coast,
right that that sound. When we heard UGK, we knew
that was down south. You know, it was a difference,
not taking anything away from the music nowadays, because whatever
works works, and I like some of this shit they
be doing now, some of that turn up shit. But
back then, we had identities and everybody was fighting for
their own identity, whereas it seems like now everyone's fighting
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for the same identity.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, you know, you think that hurts music, especially with
this being our fiftieth anniversary because it's New York.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Doesn't have a sound Now.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, that's gonna spark the mind that changes everything, you
know what I mean that that goes against the grain
because I mean when Wute came out, where were we
at in hip hop? If you really think about it,
it wasn't shiny suits, but we were in suits. And
a lot of that had a lot of that attributed
to wanting to see at the table where the R
and B singers in the R and B section, where
the R and B singers were to basically put hip
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hop on radar on the radar and ship plus it
was hot. R and B mixed with hip hop was hot.
I mean, Puffy's been using that for years. He took
Mary J. Blogers said, well, maybe, Andre, but I wasn't
in the office whatever. But they took Mary J. Bliging said,
you know what, I hear these kicking pre mixed tapes
and Ship and they're doing fucking R and B songs,
but he's mixing hip hop beats up underneath it. Let's
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do that may blows up. Okay, we got Biggie. Let's
flip it the other way. We're gonna take the R
and B tracks and let him rhyme on those formula
works either way it ship would do. But are we
to say fuck that hip because we were like that
R and B ship but it worked. If it wasn't
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for that R and B ship, it wouldn't be all
I need. There wouldn't be one more chance and ship
like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Big Popper,
even montell Jordans, fucking uh. This is how we do it,
which is a direct by the slick Rick. If you
ask me, come on right. Children's story bottom line line,
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biting and sampling, it's not biting. I mean we ship.
Then Bismarck he was biting all the old people with
all the samples he had on his ship. I I
think it's homage in more in more ways than one,
because a lot of these records. We grew up listening
to his children, so they resonate with us as well
as the audience that we came up with. So it
makes sense at the end of the day. I don't
think it's biting at all. But if you're directly saying,
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you know, coming straight out saying people rhymes, you know,
and claiming them as your own, I think something recently
happened like that. A record that was done by Ludacris
and somebody else. No disrespect, okay, no disrespect to her,
but she's saying I believe she said she never even heard.
That's fair that that is totally fair. But when you
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get into the content of the record, it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Luda's area codes similar.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, but there's similarities in there. But I mean,
if you never heard the record, by I mean, somebody
heard that record.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Somebody did you know? All I need was gonna turn
into the big wedding song it was.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I was scared of it. That was my first That's
what I danced to. It't nice. I didn't even want
to put the record up. Uh why because I knew
what it would do. He be successful. Not in that sense.
I just didn't want to be putting that R and B. Like,
remember we had a problem with that. We had a
real problem with that. And you never liked the sex symbo.
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But that that's that's something else that that that that
comes with Like that's when people don't see the substance within,
they only see the flesh. And I have a big problem.
I get it. I can I can understand that. I
can understand that it's for real, for.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Real, But it was a hood love song.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It wasn't like a Polish I mean, you went and
you got your woman's paying tampons.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Absolutely, but you can paint it any way you want
to paint it. It's still I need love, but for
another generation, you know what I mean, painting it any
and any like you want to paint it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So how did they finally get you to put it out?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I think it gave me fifty K. I don't know.
I think it was like twenty five to fifty K.
I was supposed to buy a car, Yeah, fifty k.
I was supposed to by a call with it, but
I didn't. I put up with that ship right in
the bank. It's crazy to think I saw I think
he was on math I forgot.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I think it was when you were talking about you
can't believe the money that these are.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
No, it wasn't see they took that out of context
as well. It was it was more or less me
trying to delve into the hustle of private jet flying,
being so frustrated with commercial airlines so much that how
are they doing this? And and and then me doing that.
It was misconstrued, misconstrued as me pocket checking or or
you know, fucking up the scam or whatever the fuck
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they're doing. I don't know, but it was just me
being curious and it definitely got taken out of contact.
But there are some artists that you look at and
you wonder, like they came in rich, nothing like you.
You wonder and shit, you know what I mean, Not
not to delve too deep in whatever their backgrounds are,
but it's like those finances come you know what I mean,
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Like came in this pet rich. Yeah. I'm not even
talking about dudes that had their drug dealing lifestyle and
they known in the street for that. But somebody I
got the clear.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Blue private jet one way thirty thousand coming back as
thirty thous sixty thousand dollars. They you know, they're not
get sixty thousand for a show.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, I kind of somebody kind of broke it down
to me. Okay, a lot of times the people that
are on these planes are maybe they're staying in California.
Plane drops them in California and shit, but it has
to go back to New York. It has to go
back to These people are basically taking those planes that
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are owned by these other people. So their flight that
they have to take back to New York, they're getting
on that flight, buying a seat basically, Yeah, yeah, which
is smart as fuck, you know what I mean, pays
for fuel, all kind of shit. But yeah, yeah, that's
what it is. It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
What was fifty thousand back then? What would that be
the equivalent to now? You think at least twenty five thousand? Okay,
so you put yours in the bank, Yeah, put in
the bank. Like, did somebody put you up on financial
literacy back then?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
No, not at all. And another thing that really grinding
my gears that I even thought of back then was
fucking health insurance some type of health plan for because
you know, SAG takes care of a lot of Yeah,
big time, big time. They're blessing, but there's nothing in
place for music artists or even like you know, they
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leave it up to you to have someone to advise
you on things of that nature. But you young, dumb
and full of you know what I mean, twenty two
years old, come into a lot of money. First thing
you thinking is how I'm spend it? Right, you know,
I mean you're thinking like yo CPAs and things of that,
but you really you're thinking, how impost I'm spending this.
It's like a bottomless you ain't even thinking about where
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the next one's coming from because it's coming in so quick.
There's been times where I've gone on the road two weeks,
come back home and forget what I do for a living,
not really forget. I know what I'm doing, but it's
so much fun. You get lost in it so much
that you forget. You get paid for it, you know,
and then you look at your account like, oh shit, whoa,
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there's a lot of o's. Where did that come from?
Then it hits you. You know, it's a very it's
a very lucrative business. I get why a lot of
people want to, you know, just jump into and get
their feet wet in and then try and hit big
and it's like a lotto. It's like a lottery, so
and it's a quick way to long problems. Especially if
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you hit big. It's like your mama good, your family good,
everybody good, and now y'all living, y'all got generational wealth
or however long it lasts. You know, in that same breath, though,
we're not paying attention to our own mental health, our
own physical health, as well as financial gains or financial
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literacy so to speak, and people in the midst of that,
as well as being taken advantage of and deals and
things of that nature. By the time you realize that
you're in trouble, the people around you already knew it
and they're already gone.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I was gonna ask you, did you ever get to that?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I call it the old phase, like everything is good,
and it's like, oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
A lot of times I say yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I feel like you would would have saved more money
than most because you've never presented that lifestyle.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Never was flashy, never the jewelry.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
No, he had a catalog that could always to be
I could always get a show, right, you know what
I mean. It's just the fact of one to get
up and go do it, and motivation as a motherfucker
when you feel unmotivated, and depression things of that nature.
Plus you're not feeling as worthy as you were as
you felt back in the past. It where it wears
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on you, takes a toll on you. Then you become recluse.
You don't want to be bothered with anybody, But the
bills still come. You still got to go out, so
you do just enough to get by. Certain things catch up.
I had a tax a tax thing going on as well.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, they don't crazy number.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
No, not even not like some of these people know.
Like I said, I always lived a modest lifestyle. Still
to this day, I live a lot of modest life up.
So I mean, when it comes, I can't it's hard
for me to describe because I'm still in that space
(22:15):
where it's why do I got to get these motherfuckerings
my money? You ain't got to get it, you know,
But I know, yeah, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Man, Yeah, that's that's good that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I was gonna ask when you got into that, what
made you have that love back again? Because, like you said,
you were depressed, you didn't want to go out what
what gave you that love?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
What gave you that inspiration?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
A few things people that I grew up with, they
were in the studio making music, was asking me to
come through battle rap. I love those guys, man, because
you can tell, like, of course they get paid for
those battles and stuff, but you can tell that they
do it because they love that ship. You know what
I mean. And that's why I even started and just
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wanting to knowing that I had more to contribute than
what I had, knowing that in hindsight that if I
would have did better or paid attention a little bit more,
it would have turned out better for me. But knowing
that and saying to myself that there's always time to
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improve and what can I improve on helped a lot.
I started being more grounded, taking better care of myself
as well as my surroundings and the people around me,
and listening more. That's one major thing right there that
a lot of people don't do. A lot a good
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listener is going to learn, So yeah, me a while.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
One thing I loved I saw you do when you
apologize to the Destiny child, and I just thought that
was dope, because that's something that you know, we don't do.
We grow up, we evolve, and we do constantly think
about people we may have done wrong. But nobody else
just publicly said, hey, man, that was something that bothered
me from the day it happened, like it really stuck
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with me for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And I'm in everything I said. Man, it was genuine
in that moment. You know, they didn't deserve that ship,
and I was just miserable. That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Nobody wants to admit that. That was the one that
admits it's us. I was miserable pretty much.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Did you ever speak to them after the apology?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I haven't seen them. I haven't seen her, but you know,
I've run into Kelly. I run into Michelle. I haven't
ran Nobody runs in the beating like you don't run
into be honest ship. But yeah, I'm ran into Kelly.
Matter of fact, I ran in the Kelly rolling in
Flight club in LA, you know what I mean. Let
her know. I was very proud of what she was
doing and everything, you know what I mean. And that
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was before the apology years ago, and Michelle I seen
her had a basketball game. I think she was finding
Jesus at the time. Good for her though, advocate, Yeah,
love her.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
When did you realize? When did you say to yourself? Yo,
it's me, I'm I'm miserable. I knew that back then,
Really yeah, I knew it. I just didn't want to
accept it, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And you wouldn't make you miserable. You had it seemed
like you had everything. You had success, you had, the money,
you had, the life. It seems like you had everything.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I didn't respect. I didn't respect anything. And with that
being said, I didn't think anybody respected me. So I
just wanted to go away and work on some things.
And like I said, it worked out for me. Man.
I'm not suggesting everybody do what I did or everybody
can do what I did, because honestly, I can fall
back on a group that's iconic at any point in time,
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so there's always going to be a bag there for me.
But the point is it's satisfying enough for me to
want to go back. What can I do that advance myself?
And I think I'm doing a pretty good job of it. Man,
I'm happy, and I think it's resonating and people see it,
you know, calling me Zaddy at fifty two years old,
What is that. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Man, that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
She said.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
She said, they said, y yeah, they call me fine,
a f girl, Fine air force nigga.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So what got you into the into the movie and
the acting and.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
When you do have to get into it knowing that ship?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
But do you feel a way when you have to
audition because you are such a celebrity stare people know.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Who you are.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
No, there's never an ego. That's one thing I never had.
It was the ego and ship I do. I don't
like auditions. I don't know anybody that really does and ship,
but you I appreciate them. It's this I mean, I
would suggest that anybody. That's because I get people in
the music game all day. I would tell them all
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the same thing. Do the work, take the classes, read
the books, because when you step on that set, your
next look got to be your best look or they
will not call your ass back. And when those people
break bread in Hollywood, they break bread, please believe it, Yes,
sir me man like I said, one day at a
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time and I'm just gonna ride it to the wheels
fall off.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
What's been your favorite role right now?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
To Davis ro because nobody's seen it coming. Nobody expected that,
you know. And sometimes sometimes I look at the dialogue
and we get the scripts and I'll look and go
right to my point and I look and it's like
a lot of dialogue here, a lot of jargon. But
I credit the writers for, you know, giving us something
(27:35):
that fits the palette enough that we can digest it
and then make sense of it. Every time.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
So my favorite memories when they do your high character
and they'd be like, yeah, that was yeah, yeah, got
you with Davis. That was fairly new right there.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I like the one that I never miss I like
that one because I never missed.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Why the hell did they replace red Man with Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
He wouldn't get the jat Oh wow, wow, Okay, at
least that's what I heard, you know. Did I talk
to Red Man about it? No? I mean we we
close close. We don't like ship like that. Don't even
need to be said, you know what I'm saying. But
it happens. He was. He's not the first or the
last person that that'll probably happened to. I remember what's
(28:22):
the guy's name, Ball guy, actor, very good at what
he does. Rock No, no, no, his name is actually.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Rock rock, rock, Rock, Rock, rock rock.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He's very good actor. I think he smacked the fire.
He smacked fire out of Sonari Lathan in that Tyler
Perry movie Rock.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You mean old Sitcomradey, that is the sitcom.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
His name is rock, I believe. I don't know, or
maybe I'm wrong. That's not his name. But he smacked
fire out of Socenarilathan in that movie the Tyler Perry
Joint because she was sleeping with the white dude like
he ain't what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
The bases, Hey, I can't think of his name. I
know exactly what you talk about. Light skin brown.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, he was let go on the show because he
wouldn't get the jab and he was one of their leads.
I believe I could be wrong, but you know, just
to say that, you know, Redman, he made a decision
and I stick by whatever his decision was. If he
feels that was best for him, I agree with him.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Got you you know what.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I love man, And I don't know how you feel
about this. I feel like there's no group in hip
hop documenting their story and history better than Wu Tang.
And what I mean by that is y'all got the
television series.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, y'all got books.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Y'all had the documentary on Showtime. Do you feel like
the story is being told?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Probably that's Rizzi. I mean it's from his his perspective,
so it's being properly told through his lens. You know.
Of course, we all have our own interpretation of how
shit should be or how shit should go. But what
you have is what you got, and I'm a stick
by him.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
That's all of it, is really like I got. I
love the doc on Showtime.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
The documentary is all genuine. Of course, doctor is the documentary.
But the show, I mean, I don't know, watch this episode?
Is that true?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I haven't only seen clips like on YouTube and stuff
like that, and it's usually Dave's clips. People will send
them to me. We did a great job, I don't know.
I just couldn't get a grasp on it, you know.
And I was watching Snowfall at the time, so I know,
I know. But I've been there. I lived that already,
that I did that, I've been there. I was going
to ask for accurate, No, of course not, but none
(30:35):
of them are actually, even the BMF joint isn't accurate
at all.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Loosely based, Yeah, loose is what they say. Back to music,
You getting back to the music.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You got that inspiration yet I've always been in the music,
but well yeah, I've done three since. But the thing is,
I do it because I want to, now because I
have to. So that's pretty much why you guys probably
haven't heard anything or seen anything. But I'm still there.
Still there some of your favorite rappers, favorite rappers, I'll
tell you for real, let's last one through three Conway. Yeah,
(31:03):
that's my guy right there. You know, but those dudes
like that was that was honor to do that because
I love what they're doing. It's like it was still
a place for lyricism and you know, just hardcore bom
Bad beats.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
They go back to documenting the War Tank story. You're
gonna write a book because I love the Ray kuaner
you got.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And his name is rock Man Dunball, just to get
his name, SA, are.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
You gonna write a book? I think every member of
War Tank should write a book. I love Ray Quarann's
book stair Case at Stage.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I love you guys, raw.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I don't know if you read them.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
They all speak highly of you in there, you crackhead.
Now I'm playing. I'm joking. I'm joking. I know I'm joking.
I'm joking. Yeah, yeah, I mean honestly, no, if I
if I did decide to do something like that, I
like how Mike did his.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Thing, Oh the one Man plays.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know, because I'm telling stories, I think Ice Tea
should do something like that. You guys, get Ice up here.
Ice got the best stories, bro, like and you know,
Ice Tea's been in the game for decades, like we're
talking thirty plus. You know what I'm saying, that dude,
he has a lot. But yeah, I would love to
do it like that kind of thing, like on the
stage and just go through it from the time that
(32:15):
I because I can remember all the way back to
when I was two and a half years old.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Really yeah, I can't. I can go back to kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Ill you remember two years old?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
My mom told me that I was two because I
described our house we lived in when I was two
years old. Wow, And we never stayed in any place
for too long, so for me to be able to
describe this house. You know, as soon as you come
in the door, the living room, then you had the kitchen,
here was opening here, opening here, we had three cereals.
We had uh Franknberry Bouberry, and we had the werewarf one.
(32:45):
Anybody remember that one fruit brew? All right? Two years old?
Then you go down this long hall. It was the
doorway here. That was me and my sister's room. Doorway
at the end of the hall, mom and Dad's room.
The reason why I knew that it was because because
each night one of us will fall off the bed
start crying, one of them will come get us, bring
them in the room with them directly at the end
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of the hall bathroom. Two years old.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Jesus, it's a genius child. Two years old.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I feel like you got to tell this.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I feel like you have to tell your story or
how to start from there, because if you don't, somebody else.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I definitely start from there. I remember being pushed out
the window in my diaper. What it was It was
a pair of draws.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But you know who pushed you out the window?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I think my sister did snow outside it was it
was only one by the way, the house is only
one level, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
On fieldough you're a baby, or if you're in a pample.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Might have been draws. I was two, two and a half.
It might have been my jaws, but I just know
I didn't have anything on except that it was white.
I remember that much. And freaking um fat Albert coming
on television.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah, the wo Tank series ends with y'all having an
issue with Divine and that seems to be a common theme.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Everybody issue with divin. Everybody had an issue with divin.
It comes with the territory. If you're will taking, you
have an issue with Divine period. How he feels about
Mitchell one nickname Vine is coolest al Vine cool is
the other side of the pillar. I think that dude
did an excellent job playing Vine, you know. And but
the guy that really resonated to me the most, especially
when I see the clips, is the guy that plays power.
(34:22):
He's got his mannerisms to laugh everything that that's power
all fucking day. I think he killed that ship.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
So you didn't help with your role at all.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And I went and spoke to Dave and I told
Dave Dave the reason Dave really got the part. David's
an MC from New York. It's a given the.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Mannerisms and all that shit gonna be. I was like,
do you you know what I mean, don't be method man.
I wasn't method man. Then be that MC that fly
HMC from New York and Dave did.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
A good job. Man, I'd be wondering what you and
I just wanted him to be comfortable. What you right.
I could tell when he was uncomfortable front because you
have an eye for stuff like that. But once he
hit his stride, he was off to the races. It's
killing it, especially when you put the mic in his hand.
Some of them dudes is rhyming way off beat, you
know what I mean. But you know when you have
(35:16):
a couple of swords and you put him together and
it makes I mean, it's the wu tang, it's the slang.
It's the sword style of running.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
God Jesus, I always wonder what the conversations are like
between you and Mary saying, Man, me.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And Mary be laughing. Mary's funny as hell. Yeah, I
wouldn't know.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It though, y'all reminity like, because y'all got it both both, okay, both.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mary cool as hell and ship. You know, I don't
wont say too much because you know, it's it's regular
ship for me and ship whatever it's like, that's that's
a little cis right there, a little big sis she
born before me in January. But Mary coolest hell. I mean,
what can I say is ship that I haven't said
already in the interview and queen she demands respect and she.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Gonna get it and she deserves it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I do wonder about the bond that people have when
they make a hat record though, what you mean, because
y'all are like y'all.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Like kind of married for life. Mary made me feel
comfortable first when I first met her. I met at
Puffy's birthday party. I think it was Roland when that
ship remember Roseland Yeah, she came up to me, was like,
bring the pain was my shirt?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like wow, Mary?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
And I had to tell her that love No Limit
was my ship and I started singing it to her
a little bit. But yeah, it was dope. It was dope.
Next thing I know, he was in the studio recording and.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Puff set that off.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Puffy shout out to Puff, Daddy, Diddy Man, Diddy love
that dude. Man. Like people don't what they do they do?
They give him a spops they have to. It's like
Puff Puff that nigga though Puff been around a long
time man and I respect the ship out that dude.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Go back to tonight to this other fan that I
saw you on, say on Math five, and you were
talking about how you didn't really liked.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
The cal per Se. What do you mean the first album? Yeah, yeah,
because when we originally recorded it, there was a flood.
I remember, I heard about the flood. Lot of the
music got one. But I think you're being too hard
on yourself with the cow I mean, those rhymes. A
lot of those rhymes was written between fifteen and seventeen
years old, so you know, I had been doing that though,
(37:23):
some of those for a while. But the music side
of it, it was like making shit on the flyes
at some point even it was just hard. It was rough.
It was rough because we were we were basically touring
promoting the first album, and they had us way on
the West coast and We'll be in North Carolina somewhere
and I'm going in all these different Some of the
studios were so nasty, like had rats and shit the
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popa stoppa with the stocking over it, you know what
I mean, you know like that. But we got through it,
and the best part about it was that the album
did well because it set the standard for the rest
of the album solo albums that came after that. It
was like, Okay, we're really gonna be waiting for this
Ray Korn joint on. We're really gonna be waiting for
this soul dirty jointing, you know what I mean? So
on and so forth.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
You a comic book guy, yep, So what if the
flood never happens?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Where where is? My ship? Probably would have been five mics?
I got four and a half in the sauce of four.
It was four. It was four in the sauce. I
think I for in a sauce, but a lot. But
you know what though, And I'm glad y'all brought that
first album up because that first album and a lot
of that ship had to do with these women on
this couch back here, Randa, well, Kim, not so much
Randa and and Tracy, Like, okay, that the source when
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I first started, because that was Maddie and you know,
Maddie and them not taking nothing away from Kim, that's
my homie right there. Love Ken, I love him. I
ain't trying to shade or nothing, but the truth is
the truth got very instrumental, and and and molding me
into the artist that I am today or was at
that point in time. Got that album done, gave me
all the promo and everything that I needed, and it
(38:57):
got and it went crazier after all I need drop
because once all I Need dropped, it was like I
was in the office every day meeting people that I
hadn't even freaking met before.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
How does it feelings to work with these ladies, because
I mean these are ladies that when I when I.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Came in the lobby, he was like, I ain't even
recognize Tracy at first.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
From here, give me a home.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And and then I
come into and I see Rhonda and Kim and I'm like,
this is a reunion right now. So now I'm comfortable
because I was coming in here on my bullshit. Now
I'm playing.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
The championship matchup is tonight the b e T's Greatest
rap crew of all time?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah performing different? Oh no, no, I'm not performing, No no, no,
I'll be there though, I'll definitely be the Yeah, it's
gonna be hot.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
How can they vote him website b e T dot com,
slash go vote that, I say, that right.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Kim BT dot com go vote with your stinking ass
that part and I want I love you, bro, I'm
a fan fan. You really are. Let's hero to me.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I get around, I get around me and the wo
tang I feel like a kid, like hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Damn y'all, don't get a third seat. And this motherfucker
my son need a job. I'm just asking this. He
funny as fun funny, yeah funny.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Why are you bringing with you?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
You want him in the movie. You gotta watch my
grand baby?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
All right, there you have. It's the Breakfast Club. It's
method Man.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
We just need to do two things for BT. We'll
be back with more method Man, so don't move.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's the Breakfast Club on BT.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
How is that Devin Franklin ship though he's funny.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Keep in lock. We got more with methad Man when
we come back. It's the Breakfast Club on B E T.
Welcome back. We're still kicking it with methan Man, Charlamagne
Cool
No, he didn't and never had an original idea and
his fucking like non playing.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's let's go here we go morning, everybody. It's dj en.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
V Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club. We
got a legend and icon in the building. I gotta
spell it out. M ME T H O D.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
They staying in interviews, it's all you know what I'm saying.
When did they be hearing interviews?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Charla?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
We were having a conversation before you walked in, Yes, sir,
we were talking about, you know, our annuals and going
to the doctor and this, that and the other. So
I was telling you know, we were talking about colonoscopy,
and the ladies in the room was like, yeah, they
put you out, And I'm like, it was one of
the best sleeps ever.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Right, it's the same stuff they get Michael Jackson. They
tell you that before they do it. That's exactly what
they said. I didn't want to say their name is
chut To Trade.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But that said they put you to sleep. They never
put me to sleep.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Impossible, right, because I did not know what the subject.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He never got a colonoscopy, He got a prostate exam.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
You got you got ja, Yeah, I don't think I've
had a prostetate exam.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You have a prostet exam.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I had to coolons. You have.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Look black man, we're most acceptable to prostate cancer soon.
I mean I got mines checked first the first time.
At forty four. You supposed the way to your fifty
forty five fifty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, it's forty five to get kolonoscopy. Kolonoscopy.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
No, it was fifty or fifty.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
They just changed it for forty five.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You got to get kolonoscopy. That's what They sicked the
tube up your butt, all right, and they look around
for any polyps.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So for the uninformed, it's basically to make sure you
don't have cancer's tumor.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
That's right side, because if.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
They catch it early, it can save you.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, you don't have to go for another ten years,
so they know that you're free of cancer for ten years.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
To say if you don't, what are the symptoms of.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You might not have a symptom.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But yeah, I mean the.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
People that I've known that have lost their lives to it,
rest in peace. My man combat Jack. He by the
time he went, he stayed four. But he did say
he thought that his stomach was getting bigger, but said
he thought it was because he was drinking and he
wasn't eating bloated.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It could be blood in your stool, could be a
bunch of different things. Sorry to talk about it today,
but we got to make sure you go to.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That absolutely, absolutely absolutely, But you ca get blood and
you're stool from straining too hard, right, correct.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I never got blood in my still to.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Be I haven't personally, I don't know, but I can't
believe we having a conversation with meth about health when
he is absolutely positively probably.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Personally in hip hop.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Now I'm informed about getting a colonoscopy, I have to Oh,
I'm not going to look into it. I have to
get it done absolutely all right, Well that's something I
have to do.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Once you get so heavy in the workout games. I've
been watching you for years on Instagram, but like, what
made you do it?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It? When it's been about ten eleven years now, ten thirteen,
one hundred years now, I don't know. It was more
or less. It started with insomnia for me, and I
had a membership, but I've never really used it. I
would go sporadically here and there on and off like
a lot of people do. But something just clicked to
me and said, you know what, let's go go see
what's up with the gym. It was about four in
(02:59):
the morning. I was having all this insomnia and it
was open, so I started going. I had already had
like my own program that I was following that my
training had gave me previously. So you know, one three
days started turning into four days, and four days turned
into a month, and months turned into you know, years,
and my journey's been pretty good. Man. I had some
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good people around me helping me along the way as well.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
The fact that it's four in the morning, you don't
have to worry about people in the gin bothering you
yet kind of quiet and alone.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And you know, it was a little community in there,
about five or six people that showed up every morning,
and they kind of welcomed me with open arms after
they so I was about the first month you got
at least show for it, like the first month then
they're like, okay, this got serious, and you know, I
was getting tips and things, and matter of fact, later
on when I found a workout partner, which is great
(03:51):
for anybody should always find a workout partner. They keep
you honest and you keep them honus as well. From there,
that's when the journey really happened. Because up to that
point I wasn't even like following a strict diet regiment
or anything of that sort, you know, because I was
that that uninformed. But over the years, having to work
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out partner and being around these people that were dedicated
to it, picking up tips and things of that nature. Yeah,
definitely turned me into a gym rap.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Did you slow down smoking at all?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I wondered whether that because you were always the old
g weed guy and you know, like you snoop bread.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah. I mean, I mean that's a that's a nice
little lane to be in and stuff. But I always
said I had so much more to offer and I
would hate to be just identified as just the weak guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I mean I think I've done a pretty decent
job of that.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
No, that's understand absolutely.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
It's interesting because they got the BT's greatest rap crews
of right right.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Wu Tanger's death ro.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I'm not disrespecting Death Row and everything that they represented.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I just don't know how it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Can came down to Woo and death Row.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
To me, for me, it's the greatest. But Defro was
not a rap group to me. They're not around the label.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And I think that's what they judged a lot of
it based on as well. I mean, you got to
really think about it. Those are groups, you know, death Row,
but it was groups within groups, especially with a Wu
Tang clan, especially with the way we came in the
game as a group with the option to sign as
solo artists. So yeah, it kind of makes sense. And
I'm just humbled and honored in the same breath because
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you know, death Row, they were what three years before
we even dropped, about three years before we even dropped,
and we had heard nothing like that before from the
West Coast. I mean, I was a big n W
A fan, you know. But other than that, everything else
kind of slipped through the cracks. Even mc hammler, you know,
for a minute, he even slipped through the crash because
we didn't really gravitate to Hammer like that. He even
knew it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It was more or less like you ain't hitting in him,
and you ain't hitting in New York. I'm gonna turn
his mother out, And he turned his mother out. He
did exactly that. But I mean to be up against
those guys, it's honor because, like I said, they put
it down like who I had never heard anything like
snoop or corrupt Dad's rage, any of them. You know
that what was it? Stranded on Death Row was the record.
(06:14):
That was the first thing that I heard from them,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
From a Wow, you guys are.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Hold on.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I was going to tell people they already defeated, you know,
because we were talking about crews. They defeated Good Music,
Rough Riders, the Juice Crew, G Unit, and Death Row
has defeated Y M C, M, B T, d E
and n w A.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Now that the last battle is.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Absolutely battle is verseus Death Row, and the voting can
start right now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So how can you vote? Let me ask the people
on in the back, how can they vote?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Dot com that's Kim Sorry's voice, b E T dot
com slash vote if you want to vote, and today
is the deadline?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Correct? Yeah, today it's the deadline. Slash go vote, slash
go vote, bt dot Com slash go vote. I mean
vote Wu Tang, vote death Rod. Vote with your heart,
you know what I mean? Like I said, it's just
happy to be in the same space. With that greatness
right there.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Come on, man, y'all o tang man.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I get it, I get it. But you know, like
I said, humility is always gonna be my go to
in situations like this. You never want to make things
bigger than what they actually are. You let other people
do that for you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
How did you develop that relationship because you had that
relationship with them because you was on a mind made
up with Pop.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, that was weird because it was because I had
a relationship with Snoop and dog Pound. I mean I
had Snoop in my in my fore runner uptown. Wow.
You know what I mean. We went to the gate,
and I swear on anything I love each time I
ever went there to drag, would I put my money
through the slot and give me the weed it, I
bring Snoop. He opened the door. I'm serious as snook
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and vows for this. Let us in. Yeah, babies running
around it. I've never been in this gate before, Like,
oh shit, so this is what it's like.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
What year was this this Doggy Star?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah? Yeah, Donkey style Snoop another Wow, And the Snoop
was in the hood in Harlem. Yeah, no, security. Dog
Pound was with us too.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Beef though what it's so called?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, yeah, well it wasn't really no, we know those
are informed. No it wasn't. But the funny shit wasn't
we get back in the car corrupt look at this ship?
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Was like, yo, good, this ship got ship, got sticks
to seeds.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You knowing about that choco. They ain't knowing about that chocolate.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
This ship.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It probably was the whack weed down that I think
about it, this ship man, you know, shout out to
Benny Rat, b Rat, he don't want to put me
onto that spot, remember Benny? Yes, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
So how did the record come about?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Like, well, hanging out with the you know, each time
they came to the East Coast, I'd hang out with them.
When I came to the West coast, vice versa, and
you know, Das came and scooped us up. We went
to dash crib smoking. He has some records. He's just
playing some ship and we just spin on it. And
the original song had myself rage, Dad's corrupt of course
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red man.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, I think that verse just got released, but I
don't know if it's a yeah, I can't tell.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, it's real. Wow, from the story that I heard
through the interviews, Park was like, the record too long, anyway,
take that ship off. There, no disrespect to debt, but
it was more or less like he's thinking, I got
red at bedfit bed or this record that, let's chop
it right there. The shit too long? Took rage off
the record. But I'd never actually recorded with Park the
same way I did with Big. When I recorded with Big,
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Tracy Waples in the background, she came and scooped me.
Tracy came and scooped me, And I wasn't supposed to
be doing the record, so I kind of snuck it
went and did it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Why was he supposed to do it?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Because well, you.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Know, none of No, it's more or less because Wu
tang Rizza. The plan was, if we get hot, we
keep the money in the family first, then we'll build
what everybody else wants to wear, right, you know what
I mean? And you got like your hardest artists in
your group at that point in time, going to do
all the records. You know, I did it twice too,
by the way I did the the what with Big
end then I went snuck and dead how high with
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Redman sore. I'm just saying, I'm just saying you know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Way so to break it down. So so Tracy picked
you up.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Tracy picked me up to take me to the studio
to do the What with Biggie Smalls that day, and
me and Puffy played Torchu. I remember that, right, Yeah,
we definitely played Torch. I got his ass good too.
I think I did that.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
What was puff torture?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I can't even remember. He was just saying, I don't
know it was I don't know. It was a lot
of I don't know. I can't remember actual game. That
wasn't just a he just it was just a skit
on the album. But we used to play that, you know.
We used to do it around the way and she
instead of snapping on each other, we used to play
Torch and ship. And I guess Puff heard the skit
and he wanted to play torture. So he got tortured
in that motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
During that time, Big was there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
He was there and he wrote his wrong Contrary to
what people say, he didn't need pen of paper. He
wrote his rhyme there, and I wrote my rhyme there.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Oh he so he had a pin in the path.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yes, yes he did, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Are those first? Are those the first? Draft verses like
did y'all go back and change them?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I wasn't going back and changed it, like it wasn't
even I mean we're talking analog. So it was like
when you went there and spit if you fucked up,
you had to start over and start from the top
and spit it again and right wrong, right, he don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Damn you ask one of the youngest people that, damn.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
So's I got a question about that then, because Biggie
is his verse, don't tip me and then you go thho.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
He wanted me to have some type of he said,
don't don't mess. It actually was m E. Yeah, he
said that means don't He wanted me to come in
right after that with th h O d man right
behind m E. But it didn't fall into the pocket
because I was I had already written my verse, like
I'm writing my ship, like I'm already four balls in.
But you want me to start it with some other ship.
It's like, okay, I'll try. But it overlapped. They wanted
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to wrap it over each other, wrapping over each other.
But it still works.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You ask me, oh, so.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
His lyrics going to be m instead of saying me, oh, man,
I always like when I talk to y'all, it's like
unbelievablecause I don't even know y'all.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Shod is like Greek mythology.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Bro Like to.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Us on the outside looking in, it's like that's it
don't even seem real, y'all, like real superhero Damn yes, wow,
because we.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Don't never hear these stories. Fact they had two greats
and how they broke it down and how they that.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
All the time, Like when I'm talking to people from
that era, it's like, yo, that is that.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's literally like reading Greek mythology.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's a lot of well, of course, because I'm not
I'm not going to say, let's say hip hop was
in its early twenties at that point, stay still young,
you know what I'm saying. But it's like the fuck
a lot. You know what I'm saying. It's like, I'm
out in these streets twenty years old. I'm finding out
what life is about. So it was a lot of
more authentic, a lot more authenticity. When you heard records
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from the West Coast, you know it's from the West Coast,
right that that sound. When we heard UGK, we knew
that was down south. You know, it was a difference,
not taking anything away from the music nowadays, because whatever
works works, and I like some of this shit they
be doing now, some of that turn up shit. But
back then, we had identities and everybody was fighting for
their own identity, whereas it seems like now everyone's fighting
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for the same identity.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, you know, you think that hurts music, especially with
this being our fiftieth anniversary because it's New York.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Doesn't have a sound Now.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, that's gonna spark the mind that changes everything, you
know what I mean that that goes against the grain
because I mean when Wute came out, where were we
at in hip hop? If you really think about it,
it wasn't shiny suits, but we were in suits. And
a lot of that had a lot of that attributed
to wanting to see at the table where the R
and B singers in the R and B section, where
the R and B singers were to basically put hip
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hop on radar on the radar and ship plus it
was hot. R and B mixed with hip hop was hot.
I mean, Puffy's been using that for years. He took
Mary J. Blogers said, well, maybe, Andre, but I wasn't
in the office whatever. But they took Mary J. Bliging said,
you know what, I hear these kicking pre mixed tapes
and Ship and they're doing fucking R and B songs,
but he's mixing hip hop beats up underneath it. Let's
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do that may blows up. Okay, we got Biggie. Let's
flip it the other way. We're gonna take the R
and B tracks and let him rhyme on those formula
works either way it ship would do. But are we
to say fuck that hip because we were like that
R and B ship but it worked. If it wasn't
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for that R and B ship, it wouldn't be all
I need. There wouldn't be one more chance and ship
like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Big Popper,
even montell Jordans, fucking uh. This is how we do it,
which is a direct by the slick Rick. If you
ask me, come on right. Children's story bottom line line,
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biting and sampling, it's not biting. I mean we ship.
Then Bismarck he was biting all the old people with
all the samples he had on his ship. I I
think it's homage in more in more ways than one,
because a lot of these records. We grew up listening
to his children, so they resonate with us as well
as the audience that we came up with. So it
makes sense at the end of the day. I don't
think it's biting at all. But if you're directly saying,
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you know, coming straight out saying people rhymes, you know,
and claiming them as your own, I think something recently
happened like that. A record that was done by Ludacris
and somebody else. No disrespect, okay, no disrespect to her,
but she's saying I believe she said she never even heard.
That's fair that that is totally fair. But when you
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get into the content of the record, it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Luda's area codes similar.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, but there's similarities in there. But I mean,
if you never heard the record, by I mean, somebody
heard that record.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Somebody did you know? All I need was gonna turn
into the big wedding song it was.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I was scared of it. That was my first That's
what I danced to. It't nice. I didn't even want
to put the record up. Uh why because I knew
what it would do. He be successful. Not in that sense.
I just didn't want to be putting that R and B. Like,
remember we had a problem with that. We had a
real problem with that. And you never liked the sex symbo.
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But that that's that's something else that that that that
comes with Like that's when people don't see the substance within,
they only see the flesh. And I have a big problem.
I get it. I can I can understand that. I
can understand that it's for real, for.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Real, But it was a hood love song.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It wasn't like a Polish I mean, you went and
you got your woman's paying tampons.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Absolutely, but you can paint it any way you want
to paint it. It's still I need love, but for
another generation, you know what I mean, painting it any
and any like you want to paint it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So how did they finally get you to put it out?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I think it gave me fifty K. I don't know.
I think it was like twenty five to fifty K.
I was supposed to buy a car, Yeah, fifty k.
I was supposed to by a call with it, but
I didn't. I put up with that ship right in
the bank. It's crazy to think I saw I think
he was on math I forgot.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I think it was when you were talking about you
can't believe the money that these are.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
No, it wasn't see they took that out of context
as well. It was it was more or less me
trying to delve into the hustle of private jet flying,
being so frustrated with commercial airlines so much that how
are they doing this? And and and then me doing that.
It was misconstrued, misconstrued as me pocket checking or or
you know, fucking up the scam or whatever the fuck
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they're doing. I don't know, but it was just me
being curious and it definitely got taken out of contact.
But there are some artists that you look at and
you wonder, like they came in rich, nothing like you.
You wonder and shit, you know what I mean, Not
not to delve too deep in whatever their backgrounds are,
but it's like those finances come you know what I mean,
(17:45):
Like came in this pet rich. Yeah. I'm not even
talking about dudes that had their drug dealing lifestyle and
they known in the street for that. But somebody I
got the clear.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Blue private jet one way thirty thousand coming back as
thirty thous sixty thousand dollars. They you know, they're not
get sixty thousand for a show.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, I kind of somebody kind of broke it down
to me. Okay, a lot of times the people that
are on these planes are maybe they're staying in California.
Plane drops them in California and shit, but it has
to go back to New York. It has to go
back to These people are basically taking those planes that
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are owned by these other people. So their flight that
they have to take back to New York, they're getting
on that flight, buying a seat basically, Yeah, yeah, which
is smart as fuck, you know what I mean, pays
for fuel, all kind of shit. But yeah, yeah, that's
what it is. It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
What was fifty thousand back then? What would that be
the equivalent to now? You think at least twenty five thousand? Okay,
so you put yours in the bank, Yeah, put in
the bank. Like, did somebody put you up on financial
literacy back then?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
No, not at all. And another thing that really grinding
my gears that I even thought of back then was
fucking health insurance some type of health plan for because
you know, SAG takes care of a lot of Yeah,
big time, big time. They're blessing, but there's nothing in
place for music artists or even like you know, they
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leave it up to you to have someone to advise
you on things of that nature. But you young, dumb
and full of you know what I mean, twenty two
years old, come into a lot of money. First thing
you thinking is how I'm spend it? Right, you know,
I mean you're thinking like yo CPAs and things of that,
but you really you're thinking, how impost I'm spending this.
It's like a bottomless you ain't even thinking about where
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the next one's coming from because it's coming in so quick.
There's been times where I've gone on the road two weeks,
come back home and forget what I do for a living,
not really forget. I know what I'm doing, but it's
so much fun. You get lost in it so much
that you forget. You get paid for it, you know,
and then you look at your account like, oh shit, whoa,
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there's a lot of o's. Where did that come from?
Then it hits you. You know, it's a very it's
a very lucrative business. I get why a lot of
people want to, you know, just jump into and get
their feet wet in and then try and hit big
and it's like a lotto. It's like a lottery, so
and it's a quick way to long problems. Especially if
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you hit big. It's like your mama good, your family good,
everybody good, and now y'all living, y'all got generational wealth
or however long it lasts. You know, in that same breath, though,
we're not paying attention to our own mental health, our
own physical health, as well as financial gains or financial
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literacy so to speak, and people in the midst of that,
as well as being taken advantage of and deals and
things of that nature. By the time you realize that
you're in trouble, the people around you already knew it
and they're already gone.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I was gonna ask you, did you ever get to that?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I call it the old phase, like everything is good,
and it's like, oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
A lot of times I say yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I feel like you would would have saved more money
than most because you've never presented that lifestyle.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Never was flashy, never the jewelry.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
No, he had a catalog that could always to be
I could always get a show, right, you know what
I mean. It's just the fact of one to get
up and go do it, and motivation as a motherfucker
when you feel unmotivated, and depression things of that nature.
Plus you're not feeling as worthy as you were as
you felt back in the past. It where it wears
(21:28):
on you, takes a toll on you. Then you become recluse.
You don't want to be bothered with anybody, But the
bills still come. You still got to go out, so
you do just enough to get by. Certain things catch up.
I had a tax a tax thing going on as well.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, they don't crazy number.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
No, not even not like some of these people know.
Like I said, I always lived a modest lifestyle. Still
to this day, I live a lot of modest life up.
So I mean, when it comes, I can't it's hard
for me to describe because I'm still in that space
(22:15):
where it's why do I got to get these motherfuckerings
my money? You ain't got to get it, you know,
But I know, yeah, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Man, Yeah, that's that's good that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I was gonna ask when you got into that, what
made you have that love back again? Because, like you said,
you were depressed, you didn't want to go out what
what gave you that love?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
What gave you that inspiration?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
A few things people that I grew up with, they
were in the studio making music, was asking me to
come through battle rap. I love those guys, man, because
you can tell, like, of course they get paid for
those battles and stuff, but you can tell that they
do it because they love that ship. You know what
I mean. And that's why I even started and just
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wanting to knowing that I had more to contribute than
what I had, knowing that in hindsight that if I
would have did better or paid attention a little bit more,
it would have turned out better for me. But knowing
that and saying to myself that there's always time to
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improve and what can I improve on helped a lot.
I started being more grounded, taking better care of myself
as well as my surroundings and the people around me,
and listening more. That's one major thing right there that
a lot of people don't do. A lot a good
(23:47):
listener is going to learn, So yeah, me a while.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
One thing I loved I saw you do when you
apologize to the Destiny child, and I just thought that
was dope, because that's something that you know, we don't do.
We grow up, we evolve, and we do constantly think
about people we may have done wrong. But nobody else
just publicly said, hey, man, that was something that bothered
me from the day it happened, like it really stuck
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with me for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And I'm in everything I said. Man, it was genuine
in that moment. You know, they didn't deserve that ship,
and I was just miserable. That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Nobody wants to admit that. That was the one that
admits it's us. I was miserable pretty much.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Did you ever speak to them after the apology?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I haven't seen them. I haven't seen her, but you know,
I've run into Kelly. I run into Michelle. I haven't
ran Nobody runs in the beating like you don't run
into be honest ship. But yeah, I'm ran into Kelly.
Matter of fact, I ran in the Kelly rolling in
Flight club in LA, you know what I mean. Let
her know. I was very proud of what she was
doing and everything, you know what I mean. And that
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was before the apology years ago, and Michelle I seen
her had a basketball game. I think she was finding
Jesus at the time. Good for her though, advocate, Yeah,
love her.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
When did you realize? When did you say to yourself? Yo,
it's me, I'm I'm miserable. I knew that back then,
Really yeah, I knew it. I just didn't want to
accept it, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And you wouldn't make you miserable. You had it seemed
like you had everything. You had success, you had, the money,
you had, the life. It seems like you had everything.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I didn't respect. I didn't respect anything. And with that
being said, I didn't think anybody respected me. So I
just wanted to go away and work on some things.
And like I said, it worked out for me. Man.
I'm not suggesting everybody do what I did or everybody
can do what I did, because honestly, I can fall
back on a group that's iconic at any point in time,
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so there's always going to be a bag there for me.
But the point is it's satisfying enough for me to
want to go back. What can I do that advance myself?
And I think I'm doing a pretty good job of it. Man,
I'm happy, and I think it's resonating and people see it,
you know, calling me Zaddy at fifty two years old,
What is that. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Man, that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
She said.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
She said, they said, y yeah, they call me fine,
a f girl, Fine air force nigga.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So what got you into the into the movie and
the acting and.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
When you do have to get into it knowing that ship?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
But do you feel a way when you have to
audition because you are such a celebrity stare people know.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Who you are.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
No, there's never an ego. That's one thing I never had.
It was the ego and ship I do. I don't
like auditions. I don't know anybody that really does and ship,
but you I appreciate them. It's this I mean, I
would suggest that anybody. That's because I get people in
the music game all day. I would tell them all
(26:44):
the same thing. Do the work, take the classes, read
the books, because when you step on that set, your
next look got to be your best look or they
will not call your ass back. And when those people
break bread in Hollywood, they break bread, please believe it, Yes,
sir me man like I said, one day at a
(27:06):
time and I'm just gonna ride it to the wheels
fall off.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
What's been your favorite role right now?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
To Davis ro because nobody's seen it coming. Nobody expected that,
you know. And sometimes sometimes I look at the dialogue
and we get the scripts and I'll look and go
right to my point and I look and it's like
a lot of dialogue here, a lot of jargon. But
I credit the writers for, you know, giving us something
(27:35):
that fits the palette enough that we can digest it
and then make sense of it. Every time.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
So my favorite memories when they do your high character
and they'd be like, yeah, that was yeah, yeah, got
you with Davis. That was fairly new right there.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I like the one that I never miss I like
that one because I never missed.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Why the hell did they replace red Man with Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
He wouldn't get the jat Oh wow, wow, Okay, at
least that's what I heard, you know. Did I talk
to Red Man about it? No? I mean we we
close close. We don't like ship like that. Don't even
need to be said, you know what I'm saying. But
it happens. He was. He's not the first or the
last person that that'll probably happened to. I remember what's
(28:22):
the guy's name, Ball guy, actor, very good at what
he does. Rock No, no, no, his name is actually.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Rock rock, rock, Rock, Rock, rock rock.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He's very good actor. I think he smacked the fire.
He smacked fire out of Sonari Lathan in that Tyler
Perry movie Rock.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You mean old Sitcomradey, that is the sitcom.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
His name is rock, I believe. I don't know, or
maybe I'm wrong. That's not his name. But he smacked
fire out of Socenarilathan in that movie the Tyler Perry
Joint because she was sleeping with the white dude like
he ain't what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
The bases, Hey, I can't think of his name. I
know exactly what you talk about. Light skin brown.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, he was let go on the show because he
wouldn't get the jab and he was one of their leads.
I believe I could be wrong, but you know, just
to say that, you know, Redman, he made a decision
and I stick by whatever his decision was. If he
feels that was best for him, I agree with him.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Got you you know what.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I love man, And I don't know how you feel
about this. I feel like there's no group in hip
hop documenting their story and history better than Wu Tang.
And what I mean by that is y'all got the
television series.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, y'all got books.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Y'all had the documentary on Showtime. Do you feel like
the story is being told?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Probably that's Rizzi. I mean it's from his his perspective,
so it's being properly told through his lens. You know.
Of course, we all have our own interpretation of how
shit should be or how shit should go. But what
you have is what you got, and I'm a stick
by him.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
That's all of it, is really like I got. I
love the doc on Showtime.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
The documentary is all genuine. Of course, doctor is the documentary.
But the show, I mean, I don't know, watch this episode?
Is that true?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I haven't only seen clips like on YouTube and stuff
like that, and it's usually Dave's clips. People will send
them to me. We did a great job, I don't know.
I just couldn't get a grasp on it, you know.
And I was watching Snowfall at the time, so I know,
I know. But I've been there. I lived that already,
that I did that, I've been there. I was going
to ask for accurate, No, of course not, but none
(30:35):
of them are actually, even the BMF joint isn't accurate
at all.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Loosely based, Yeah, loose is what they say. Back to music,
You getting back to the music.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You got that inspiration yet I've always been in the music,
but well yeah, I've done three since. But the thing is,
I do it because I want to, now because I
have to. So that's pretty much why you guys probably
haven't heard anything or seen anything. But I'm still there.
Still there some of your favorite rappers, favorite rappers, I'll
tell you for real, let's last one through three Conway. Yeah,
(31:03):
that's my guy right there. You know, but those dudes
like that was that was honor to do that because
I love what they're doing. It's like it was still
a place for lyricism and you know, just hardcore bom
Bad beats.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
They go back to documenting the War Tank story. You're
gonna write a book because I love the Ray kuaner
you got.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And his name is rock Man Dunball, just to get
his name, SA, are.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
You gonna write a book? I think every member of
War Tank should write a book. I love Ray Quarann's
book stair Case at Stage.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I love you guys, raw.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I don't know if you read them.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
They all speak highly of you in there, you crackhead.
Now I'm playing. I'm joking. I'm joking. I know I'm joking.
I'm joking. Yeah, yeah, I mean honestly, no, if I
if I did decide to do something like that, I
like how Mike did his.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Thing, Oh the one Man plays.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know, because I'm telling stories, I think Ice Tea
should do something like that. You guys, get Ice up here.
Ice got the best stories, bro, like and you know,
Ice Tea's been in the game for decades, like we're
talking thirty plus. You know what I'm saying, that dude,
he has a lot. But yeah, I would love to
do it like that kind of thing, like on the
stage and just go through it from the time that
(32:15):
I because I can remember all the way back to
when I was two and a half years old.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Really yeah, I can't. I can go back to kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Ill you remember two years old?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
My mom told me that I was two because I
described our house we lived in when I was two
years old. Wow, And we never stayed in any place
for too long, so for me to be able to
describe this house. You know, as soon as you come
in the door, the living room, then you had the kitchen,
here was opening here, opening here, we had three cereals.
We had uh Franknberry Bouberry, and we had the werewarf one.
(32:45):
Anybody remember that one fruit brew? All right? Two years old?
Then you go down this long hall. It was the
doorway here. That was me and my sister's room. Doorway
at the end of the hall, mom and Dad's room.
The reason why I knew that it was because because
each night one of us will fall off the bed
start crying, one of them will come get us, bring
them in the room with them directly at the end
(33:07):
of the hall bathroom. Two years old.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Jesus, it's a genius child. Two years old.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I feel like you got to tell this.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I feel like you have to tell your story or
how to start from there, because if you don't, somebody else.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I definitely start from there. I remember being pushed out
the window in my diaper. What it was It was
a pair of draws.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But you know who pushed you out the window?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I think my sister did snow outside it was it
was only one by the way, the house is only
one level, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
On fieldough you're a baby, or if you're in a pample.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Might have been draws. I was two, two and a half.
It might have been my jaws, but I just know
I didn't have anything on except that it was white.
I remember that much. And freaking um fat Albert coming
on television.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah, the wo Tank series ends with y'all having an
issue with Divine and that seems to be a common theme.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Everybody issue with divin. Everybody had an issue with divin.
It comes with the territory. If you're will taking, you
have an issue with Divine period. How he feels about
Mitchell one nickname Vine is coolest al Vine cool is
the other side of the pillar. I think that dude
did an excellent job playing Vine, you know. And but
the guy that really resonated to me the most, especially
when I see the clips, is the guy that plays power.
(34:22):
He's got his mannerisms to laugh everything that that's power
all fucking day. I think he killed that ship.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
So you didn't help with your role at all.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And I went and spoke to Dave and I told
Dave Dave the reason Dave really got the part. David's
an MC from New York. It's a given the.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Mannerisms and all that shit gonna be. I was like,
do you you know what I mean, don't be method man.
I wasn't method man. Then be that MC that fly
HMC from New York and Dave did.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
A good job. Man, I'd be wondering what you and
I just wanted him to be comfortable. What you right.
I could tell when he was uncomfortable front because you
have an eye for stuff like that. But once he
hit his stride, he was off to the races. It's
killing it, especially when you put the mic in his hand.
Some of them dudes is rhyming way off beat, you
know what I mean. But you know when you have
(35:16):
a couple of swords and you put him together and
it makes I mean, it's the wu tang, it's the slang.
It's the sword style of running.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
God Jesus, I always wonder what the conversations are like
between you and Mary saying, Man, me.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And Mary be laughing. Mary's funny as hell. Yeah, I
wouldn't know.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It though, y'all reminity like, because y'all got it both both, okay, both.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mary cool as hell and ship. You know, I don't
wont say too much because you know, it's it's regular
ship for me and ship whatever it's like, that's that's
a little cis right there, a little big sis she
born before me in January. But Mary coolest hell. I mean,
what can I say is ship that I haven't said
already in the interview and queen she demands respect and she.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Gonna get it and she deserves it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I do wonder about the bond that people have when
they make a hat record though, what you mean, because
y'all are like y'all.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Like kind of married for life. Mary made me feel
comfortable first when I first met her. I met at
Puffy's birthday party. I think it was Roland when that
ship remember Roseland Yeah, she came up to me, was like,
bring the pain was my shirt?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like wow, Mary?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
And I had to tell her that love No Limit
was my ship and I started singing it to her
a little bit. But yeah, it was dope. It was dope.
Next thing I know, he was in the studio recording and.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Puff set that off.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Puffy shout out to Puff, Daddy, Diddy Man, Diddy love
that dude. Man. Like people don't what they do they do?
They give him a spops they have to. It's like
Puff Puff that nigga though Puff been around a long
time man and I respect the ship out that dude.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Go back to tonight to this other fan that I
saw you on, say on Math five, and you were
talking about how you didn't really liked.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
The cal per Se. What do you mean the first album? Yeah, yeah,
because when we originally recorded it, there was a flood.
I remember, I heard about the flood. Lot of the
music got one. But I think you're being too hard
on yourself with the cow I mean, those rhymes. A
lot of those rhymes was written between fifteen and seventeen
years old, so you know, I had been doing that though,
(37:23):
some of those for a while. But the music side
of it, it was like making shit on the flyes
at some point even it was just hard. It was rough.
It was rough because we were we were basically touring
promoting the first album, and they had us way on
the West coast and We'll be in North Carolina somewhere
and I'm going in all these different Some of the
studios were so nasty, like had rats and shit the
(37:46):
popa stoppa with the stocking over it, you know what
I mean, you know like that. But we got through it,
and the best part about it was that the album
did well because it set the standard for the rest
of the album solo albums that came after that. It
was like, Okay, we're really gonna be waiting for this
Ray Korn joint on. We're really gonna be waiting for
this soul dirty jointing, you know what I mean? So
on and so forth.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
You a comic book guy, yep, So what if the
flood never happens?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Where where is? My ship? Probably would have been five mics?
I got four and a half in the sauce of four.
It was four. It was four in the sauce. I
think I for in a sauce, but a lot. But
you know what though, And I'm glad y'all brought that
first album up because that first album and a lot
of that ship had to do with these women on
this couch back here, Randa, well, Kim, not so much
Randa and and Tracy, Like, okay, that the source when
(38:36):
I first started, because that was Maddie and you know,
Maddie and them not taking nothing away from Kim, that's
my homie right there. Love Ken, I love him. I
ain't trying to shade or nothing, but the truth is
the truth got very instrumental, and and and molding me
into the artist that I am today or was at
that point in time. Got that album done, gave me
all the promo and everything that I needed, and it
(38:57):
got and it went crazier after all I need drop
because once all I Need dropped, it was like I
was in the office every day meeting people that I
hadn't even freaking met before.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
How does it feelings to work with these ladies, because
I mean these are ladies that when I when I.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Came in the lobby, he was like, I ain't even
recognize Tracy at first.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
From here, give me a home.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And and then I
come into and I see Rhonda and Kim and I'm like,
this is a reunion right now. So now I'm comfortable
because I was coming in here on my bullshit. Now
I'm playing.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
The championship matchup is tonight the b e T's Greatest
rap crew of all time?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah performing different? Oh no, no, I'm not performing, No no, no,
I'll be there though, I'll definitely be the Yeah, it's
gonna be hot.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
How can they vote him website b e T dot com,
slash go vote that, I say, that right.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Kim BT dot com go vote with your stinking ass
that part and I want I love you, bro, I'm
a fan fan. You really are. Let's hero to me.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I get around, I get around me and the wo
tang I feel like a kid, like hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Damn y'all, don't get a third seat. And this motherfucker
my son need a job. I'm just asking this. He
funny as fun funny, yeah funny.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Why are you bringing with you?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
You want him in the movie. You gotta watch my
grand baby?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
All right, there you have. It's the Breakfast Club. It's
method Man.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
We just need to do two things for BT. We'll
be back with more method Man, so don't move.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's the Breakfast Club on BT.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
How is that Devin Franklin ship though he's funny.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Keep in lock. We got more with methad Man when
we come back. It's the Breakfast Club on B E T.
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