May 28, 2024 • 33 mins
Leo Terrell, Fox News Contributor and Civil Rights Attorney, is beyond outraged after an actor took to the mic outside of the courthouse today to warn the world regarding President Trump. What a joke.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, thank you, Scott Channon, Hour two Sean Hannity Show,
eight hundred and nine to four one, Shawn our number
if you want to be a part of the program.
Closing arguments in the Sham Trump Trial of New York.
The defense the way it works in New York, the
defense goes first, prosecution gets the last word. And the
prosecution just said before the break that they are only
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one third of the way through. They're closing arguments. Observers
in the courtroom texting me that they're yawning and exhausted,
even though they're being told that they better expect to
stay late tonight. One third of the way through, Okay,
that means about four more hours that they will have
to sit there, which brings us to like eight pm Eastern.
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Unreal if that's what the case is going to be anyway,
So much going on, the most shocking part of the
prosecutions closing arguments have been the insane arguments they have
made to rehabilitate Michael Kohane and even Stormy Daniels in
this case. I mean a spectacular moment. I mean the
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fact that they feel the need to do this and
the fact that well, you can't blame Michael Cohen for
stealing from Donald Trump, and maybe that's called grand larceny.
I don't know what they would call I legally, you know,
because or you can't blame him for selling merchandise, you know,
because he has only this connection to sell what a
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guy that's made for and I have million dollars from
podcast two books and I guess gifts that are given
to him, if that's even included. And then of course
it even goes a step further. You know, they're offering
excuses for his lying. Let's see to the previous courts, Congress,
his family. You know, he's the one that said repeatedly
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to the media based on his own testimony, that he
alone made this decision without Trump's knowledge. Then, of course
the lie that was caught in that the that the
defense pointed out the minute in thirty six I can
call at a time when text messages showed that he
was calling Keith Schiller at President Trump's defense, I guess
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a security person, and then he calls Schiller at that
time and then claims, oh, yeah, well, no, I talked
to Schiller, and then I talked to Trump about the
whole stormy Daniels thing and the week Priory said, oh yeah,
they talked extensively about it. That was the phone call
he referred to. So we got all of that done
in a minute, in thirty six seconds. Pretty spectacular achievement
if he asked me, and not one that's believable anyway,
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Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst, best selling author. Roger Severino,
vice president Domestic Policy at Heritage, Trump's former director of
the Office of Civil Rights and also a former Department
of Justice civil rights attorney. Welcome both of you to
the courtroom. Greg, I begin with you pretty How does
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the prosecution just dismiss away their star witness in this case?
And just you know, it's understandable that he you know
that he took this money. It's it's understandable that he lied.
Not a problem. Uh Okay? Is the need so great?
I would have thought they'd avoid Cane like the plague,
But they're trying to rehabilitate him, which is that that
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is impossible. I was told some jurors rolled their eyes
when they heard it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me. Prosecutor Joshua Steinnglass tried,
I think in vain to rehabilitate. The uber discredited Michael
Cohen as a fool's Erron Sean, there are too many
lies to rationalize, too many sleazy maneuvers to try to
cleanse prosecutors tainting themselves by aligning with a notorious grifter
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and connartists. They vouched for a convicted perjurer. And the
best that Steinnglass could say about Michael Cohen is, and
I'm quoting here, he doesn't lie all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He doesn't lie all the time. And then he made
the other spectacular statement, you know that, Well, if Trump
is such a liar, why didn't he go all the
way and say that Trump slept with Daniels. That's easy
because he had already been on record saying just the
opposite again and again and again. And the idea, well,
Coan felt that Trump did him dirty. Oh, is that
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an excuse to steal what fifty sixty thousand dollars whatever
the number is.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean it's an absurd explanation. And I do
think the defense did a good job taking direct aim
at Cohen. In his closing argument, Todd Blanche for the
defense recounted twelve occasions one by one in which Cohen
lied directly to the jurors during his trial testimony. And
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that's on top of the myriad of prior lives he
battled to Congress, Banks, Special Counsel, the Irs, the FEC,
government lawyers, and judges. Cohen sudden and forced a mission
to larceny on cross examination tells me that, you know,
he also lied to the very prosecutors who called him
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to the stand. And I think the best line of
the day was this stinging rebuke by the defense. It
should ring memorably in the minds of jurors. Michael Cohen
is the gloat. He is the greatest liar of all time,
and that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Will resonate, that will be remembered, and that obviously that's stung.
Could you think of any other rational reason why the
prosecution would go so hard to try to rehabilitate and
defend him, because I can't. And then the spectacular way
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in which they're just basically you know, he's understandably angry
that you know, he says that Trump, Trump did him dirty.
I mean, that's that's their excuse. Then he tried to
make that they tried to make the claim and sneak
in that this was a Trump's direction. The defense objected,
there's no evidence that was presented. This was a Trump's direction.
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Not one shred of evidence ever brought up in this
case that said that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And it's it is incomprehensible, Sean, that Bragg would rely
on a chronic liar. But the truth is Bragg had
nothing else. The DA knew his star witness would lie
even more when he slithered to the witness stand, and
prosecutors wanted him to lie to me that supporting perjury.
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Bragg and his acolytes could care less. In their book,
honesty is for chumps. All they care about, Sean, is
contorting the law, mangling the evidence to convict an innocent
man for purely political reasons.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And then the conspiracy Roger Severino, Old Cohne and Donald
Trump's security guy Keith Schiller, they knew each other well,
and they spoke in the coded language for a minute
in thirty six secs seconds. That was coded language and
had nothing to do with the text messages of a
panicked Michael Cohne upset about a fourteen year old prankster,
the calling.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Him, yeah, that's right. That is simply unbelievable. I think
that the prosecution. They have to try to rehabilitate Cohen
because that's all they got. He is their star witness.
He's the only one who has said anything that is
actually linking Trump, and we know just based on the
pedals of his books Disloyal and Revenge, he cannot be trusted.
He's out to get Trump, and hopefully the jury is
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going to be able to see right through it. Unless
he's the world's fastest talker. You cannot say in ninety
six seconds about harassing fourteen year old and then talk
about his whole conspiracy about pain of Dormy Daniels in
ninety six seconds. Here's one thing. He's a liar. He's
a convicted liar. The jury knows that. But it's quite
another thing when he lied to the jurors' faces, and
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the defense was masterful when the exposed Cohen and showed
him the text messages, and he start, it's floundering, and
it was obvious he was lying, and he said, well,
I believe I spoke to him, and the different said, no,
I don't care about what you believe, it's what actually happened.
And when you're caught in a lie in front of
a jury, that's just the end. I was on a
jury and one of the defendants lied on the stand,
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and the jury flipped on him immediately. And I think
that's what happened here, because any justice, the jurors are
going to see right through it and say that their
star witness. It all depends on Cohen. Cohan cannot be believed.
He's lied habitually. He lied on the stand. He's lying now.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I think you pointed out, Greg, the twelve occasions that
con lied directly to this jury, and the ten reasonable
doubtless that was brought up, the admission that he benefits
from the outcome of this that he wants, you know,
Trump in jail, selling merchandise of Trump in jail. You
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can't blame Cone for selling merch or making money off
off off Trump. That he feels Trump did him dirty.
Oh I feel, by the way, Greg, you did me dirty.
So I'm going to rob tens of thousands of dollars
from you. And by the way, whenever we speak, we
speak in coded language, which you know is beyond the
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pale to me. And look, as this day was beginning,
I didn't have a great feeling in my stomach about this.
I just don't like the fact anytime you go on
before a jury you just really can't predict. Greg Jarrett,
I do not think this day has gone particularly well
for the prosecution. I think they have made things dramatically worse.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, I think you make a great point. And this
came out today during closing arguments. Not once during the
trial did did DA offer any plausible evidence that Trump
intended to defraud anyone. Instead, prosecutors invented this chimera. It's
an imaginary crime that exists nowhere in the world law,
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and in a normal case Shawan, with a neutral jury,
the perversity of that shameful prosecutorial tactic would be obvious
and a not guilty verdict would immediately follow. But here
Alvin Bragg and his confederates are betting the farm on
a biased jury predisposed to convict Donald Trump based on
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their own political views of the accused, despite no evidence
of incriminating facts. Any impartial jury would have little trouble
rendering an acquittal in very short order, and he should
never have gotten as far. Honest prosecutors would never have
brought such perverse charges or hung their entire case on
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a convicted perjurer. And it is a sign of the
desperation of Alvin Bragg that he brought such a meritless
perverse case.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
But it's still a New York jury. Roger Severe know
that worries me.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, it's not just the jury to worry about, it's
the judge. The judges are already ruled that the jury
does not have to be unanimous as to what the
secondary crime was. Right, So here's the order of operations.
They have to prove that Trump ordered Cohen to pay
the money, that he ordered his business records to be
quote falsified, and this was all done to further some
unspecified crime. And the judges said that the jury does
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not have to agree that's what that crime was. Is
it campaign finance violations? Is it state law? Is it
federal law? Is it some sort of influencing of the
election corruptly? We don't know. Take your pick, and for
the judge will allow that. I mean this, if he
gets convicted, that's going to be right for appeal. You
can't be in the jury room saying I think he's
guilty of something, but we can't agree on what it is.
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Let's convict him anyway. That's just a kangaroo core and
I'm hopeful that if it does get convicted, it could
be reversed very quickly on background alone.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Well, let's get your take, Greg Jarrett, in his zeal
to wrongfully convict Mershan has torn up a fundamental right, as.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Roger points out, that's embedded in constitutional principles. The US
Supreme Court has said that unanimity and jury verdicts is
required under the sixth and seventh Amendment. That requirement extends
to all issues, said the High Court. So to find
someone guilty, jurors must always agree without dissent, on every
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necessary element of the purported crime. That's an indispensable feature
of jury trials, and it has vanished in this case
thanks to Judge Marshon. Alvin Bragg and Mershon together have
worked to deprive Trump of a fair trial, robbing him
of his due process rights under the fourteenth Amendment. But
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is anybody surprised, I'm not. This case was never about
criminality or fidelity to the law. That was a gross pretext.
We know what this case is about, manipulating the legal
system to delegitimize Trump's candidacy for president. It's classic lawfare.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And and Roger, you have a Biden donor. Judge, you
have the issue with the daughter. You have a DA
that ran on a get Trump platform. We learned from
Costello exculpatory information that he specifically gave the DA's office
was withheld from the indicting grand jury. We know the
judge's actions against Costello and the former FEC chair to
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restrict their their very important testimony jury instructions. I'm sure
we'll all but you know, be the judge convicting Trump
right before the jury. There's a reason this Greg pointed
out all of this. You know, all these people ahead
of time that nobody wanted to bring the case. They
saw no case. NDAs are not illegal. Catch and kill
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is not illegal. The star witness, a convicted, admitted liar
fell and now they're trying to reabilitate him. Stormy Daniels
not exactly the most credible either when it comes to
you know, the four or five times that she said
that didn't happen, including January twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, and the judge has put the defense on a
tight leash in the closing arguments while letting the prosecution
pretty much say what they want a lot of other
grounds were appeal. Remember Trump was not indicted for any
campaign finance violations. He was not indicted. They're trying to
litigate something that's not before this jury, and the judge
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is letting let him get away with it. And let's
not forget what this is designed to do. Not only
is designed to interfere with an election, they're going to
do it by whatever happens to distract Trump from campaigning.
Look at how much time he's had to dedicate sitting
in this sham trial, day after day after day instead
of campaigning. And that's another big part of this story.
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You have the gag order that's been imposed on him.
His argument is that he's going to reform the justice system.
This is a miss courage justice that's happening in real time,
and he can't fully talk in his defense.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's unreal for.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
To try to stop him from retaking the White House.
That's what this is all about. It's not about law,
it's not about crimes because it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Existe Roger, we have to let you go. Greg you're
staying with us. Leo two point oh Terrell will join
on the other side. Cords resume. We'll give you updates
as they happen. All right, we got a lot of
ground to cover the closing argument, So the prosecution has continued.
It's been a desperate hail Mary up to this point.
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But they're only about a third of the way through.
The judge has instructed the jury that they will probably
stay later into the night. I'm sure that's making them
feel great. Not sure exactly what the point of it
is except maybe to muddy the waters. We'll get analysis
Leo two point, Oho Terrell, and Greg Jarrett as we continue,
hopefully get your calls in as well, driving the liberal nuts.
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Sean Hannity is back on the radio right now, all right,
twenty five to the top of the hour with defense
about I'm sorry prosecution about oh, I don't know, thirty
five minutes ago or so said, well, we're only about
a third of the way through closing arguments. The judge
instructs the jury that they'll be staying late tonight. I'm
still not sure that they'll even be able to, you know,
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get all of that time, and you're talking about six
long hours and now after they've been done trying to
rehabilitate Michael Cone, which is task impossible with the most
outrageous justifications for crimes. You know, now they're trying to
rehabilitate Stormy Daniels, and I'm not particularly convinced that that's
gonna work well either. You know, it's well after the
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Access Hollywood tape came out and became national news phone
traffic exploding between and among Keith Davis and Dylan Howard
and Michael Cone and Trump. Okay, where's the evidence? Nda
is not illegal? We keep going over this again and
again and again. And Nora is catch and killed for
that matter. And remember this law that this novel legal
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Defendfamily dot com anyway, What a day it's been in
the courtroom. Oh Steinlass says, defendant is a savvy businessman.
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Well he wasn't savvy enough to know that Michael Comb
was robbing him and stealing from him. Anyway, we bring
back Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analysts, best selling author,
also Leo two point oh Terrell attorney, a civil rights attorney,
also in his own right, best selling hat seller, a
merch seller in his own right, because you know, according
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to the defense, you can't blame con for selling merch
and making money off of Trump and admitting that he's
going to benefit from Trump's conviction and selling Trump mugs
and T shirts with Trump in jail. You know, well,
Cone felt like he did him dirty. So what that's
okay to lie about him, that's okay to you know,
make money off him. Unbelievable anyway, mister Leo two point Ohterrell, sir,
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welcome back. How are you you watching this this sham
all day?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
I've been watching it from unfortunately, this painful fart. It's
not a trial, by the way. As a political democrat,
witch Hu if anybody had any doubt, you saw the
circus with Robert de Niro in company. This is purely political.
But what I honestly believe, Sean. I've been a lawyer
for thirty years. I've been a trial law I think
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you've already got the fact attorney's closing arguments not evidence.
But i'll tell you right now what I'm hoping for
it notwithstanding the one sided judge who's in the back
pockets of the Democrats. I'm putting a lot of confidence
in these two attorneys who are on the jury because
you know what, they know what facts are, and they
know they have an ethical obligation as attorneys who the
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right thing. I hope they can see through this.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
But Leo, one of those attorneys is a DEI attorney.
That scares me. That means as hardcore left as you
can get.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Well, I'll tell you right now, Sean, there's something about
that jury box. And Greg would tell you there's an
obligation to uphold justice on top of that. And let
me be clear, most lawyers do not want lawyers in
the jury box. But I honestly believe you got a
lieing witness. The only witness the prosecution has Michael Cohen.
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He's live from here to Sunday, and there's no credibility whatsoever.
There's no evidence against Trump. So what I'm saying to
you is there's no way you get a conviction notwithstanding
what the judge has done to the defense. And I'm
just hoping that these two lawyers rise above the nonsense
and do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Look at the testimony, in Cone's own words, that he
admitted that he was telling the media that he did
this on his own. Greg Jarrett, now on top of
all of his other credibility issues being exposed now as
a thief, on top of an admitted and convicted liar,
and everything else in between. You know which Donald Trump
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are you going to I'm sorry, which Michael Cone A
you're gonna believe here, the one that's saying that Donald
Trump knew everything or the Michael Cone that was telling
everybody he did this all on his own, didn't tell Trump.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, jurors, I hope will trust nothing he has to
say in addition.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
To the dozen Well let me let me stop you,
because I want to interrupt. If they do conclude that
does this trial then likely and differently than maybe those
that thought there would be an easy conviction thing, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It absolutely should as long as they're following the law.
Notwithstanding the bastardization of the law by Judge wan Ershan.
But you know, the jurors do tend to try to
take their duties conscientiously and follow the law. And I
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agree with Leo that having a couple of lawyers on
the jury, and I've always kicked him off the jury
in cases I tried. In this case, I think you
really can benefit if you're the defense from a couple
of lawyers. They will see through this smoking mirrors, this charade,
this sham of the case brought by Alvin Bragg and
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his confederates. And you know, maybe you need some background
in the law to be able to recognize this for
what it truly is. You know, this is a case
that is based on an expired crime that's no crime
at all, a mysterious secondary crime that was incognito until
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today's closing arguments, and a lying witness and a convicted
perjurer is also a thief. I mean, that is the
summoned substance of the inane criminal case brought against Donald Trump.
And I think it finally fully came into focus during
the closing arguments as the lead defense attorney, Todd Blanche
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pierced the veil of this charade by dismantling many of
the aspects of the DA's farcical prosecution.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
What's your take, Leo, I agree with Gregor one versin.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I want to you a perfect example of this, Sean.
I don't care in any case, there's a jury structure
that says, if you did leave a witness in an
area of his testimony, you can just believe everything tole
Blench has shown that Michael Cohen is light in front
of the jury. He's a thief. He admitted to being
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a thief in front of the jury. This guy lied
to the prosecution. And what I find so obvious in
this case is that, besides the fact that this judge
is in the pocket of the Democrat Party. I've practiced law
for thirties. I'm a pretty good trial lawyer. Never in
my life have I seen the defense being handcuffed without
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having the jury, without being able to talk about the
jury instruction. I mean, will you do Colder and say, look,
the judge is going to instruct you on the jury
on the instructions of the law. But let me tell
you what I see here, how our facts complied with
the law, and they have been defenseless without these jury instructions.
This is again the reason why I think these two
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lawyers are critical, critical shan to the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, I mean, I guess it would be too much
to expect Greg Jarrett in a venue as prejudiced and
as biased against the Republican or somebody with the last
named Trump as New York City, that you're going to
have a fair venue. I said from the very beginning
of this entire case that there's no way that you're
going to get a fair trial in New York, or
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do it you get a fair trial in d C.
Or get a fair trial in Fulton County, Georgia. I
think I've been more than proven correct here. You have
a Biden donor judge, you have the issue of the daughter.
You have a DA that ran on a get Trump platform.
You know, we learned from Bob Costello exculpatory information that
he specifically gave the DA was withheld from the indicting
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grand jury. The judge's complete meltdown in actions versus Costello
or not letting the former FEC chair actually explain the
law and how it's not applicable here, which is why
the FBC, the SDN, Y, the DOJ, and every other
jurisdiction wouldn't go near this, uh, and Bragg's predecessor wouldn't
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go near. Bragg himself wanted nothing to do with it
until he was embarrassed. A misdemeanor of statute of limitations,
long past novel legal theory that allows a you know,
a city juris jurisdiction to become what an upgraded federal
elections felony. The star witness admitted convicted liar, now thief.
NDA's not illegal, catch and kill not illegal. Stormy is
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allowed to draw, you know, drone on about salacious innuendo.
It's all irrelevant, immaterial. You know, Costello can't even impeach
their star witness. We can't get expert legal testimony. You know,
perhaps the greatest line of this trial so far as
the gloat line, the greatest liar of all time, Michael Cohene,
the star witness. No wonder they're spending all this time
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trying to rehabilitate him.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Greg, Oh, you're right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And what Bragg has done in using Cohen and others,
is he's weaponizing statute. It's not because the law has
been broken, but because the accused poses a political threat.
The real threat is unscrupulous prosecutors like Alvin Bragg. He
has forsaken his duty to see that justice is done.
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And remember, prosecutors are armed with immense powers. In Brag,
he's become a law unto himself. He created the illusion
of wrongdoing to an null Donald Trump in an end
that justifies any means. And I'm reminded of the great
Supreme Court Justice Lewis Brandeis who said the greatest dangerous
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to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal
he was talking about, and he feared people like Alvin
Bragg under color of law. Bragg seeks to oppress, He
seeks to imprison an innocent person for political reasons. And
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where the law ends, tyranny begins. And Alvin Bragg, together
with Mershon, are tyrants. They have misused and abused our
legal system for all the wrong reasons. It is unjustifiable,
it is shameful, and they must be roundly condemned.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What's your take, Leo.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I'll tell you, Jean, this is a wake up call.
And I just think of what Trump said to every
and every rally. If they can do it to him,
they can do it to every one of us on
this radio program to all your listeners, this is a
key point in our legal system, because not only have
the Democrats hijacked this New York courtroom, they hijacked the
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entire legal system in New York and other democratic towns.
And what is the only safeguard right now short of
this November twenty four Trump election is the Supreme Court
and some judges that still believe in the rule of law.
I e. Eileen Cannon, who told Jack Smith go where
it doesn't shine with that requested gag order. I mean,
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I'm telling you the Democrats will go back into their
little cupyhole they say we got to get the Supreme
Court because that is the saving grace of our rule
law right now, and that is what's protecting Trump in
every America in this country right now.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
It's really an unbelievable time. What do you make of
the fact I'm being told by people in the courtroom
that the jury is bored, that they did not seeing
anyone taking any notes anymore. It seems like, you know,
I would interpret that as Okay, we've heard enough, can
you please move on.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, it is a sophomoric mistake by prosecutor Stenglass. Less
is more, And you know any trial attorney has experienced
has learned that the hard way. You cannot seek to
replicate the entire case. You have to pick and choose.
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You have to synthesize it to its bare essence and
hit the high points. Don't try to hit every point
because you will alienate the jurors. And minute by minute,
hour by hour, as it goes on, you're just gonna
piss them off to use plain language and they'll hold
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it against you. And you know, if they're on the fence,
that can make the difference.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
All right, let me ask the unfair question, and it's
totally completely unfair one not in the courtroom. But I've
said from the beginning, regardless of the outcome here, I
don't think Trump got a fair trial. So here's my question.
How does this end? LEO will start with you.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Oh, I think I'll be very clear in my opinion.
I think at the very at the worst scenario for Trump,
it's a hum jury. That's the worst. I do not
see a guilty verdict. And I think there's an outside
chance that he could be acquitted all these charges, but
I would say hung jury.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't see any chance of acquittal, just based on
the venue and observations told to me by people in
the courtroom about the jurors. But I do see a
chance of a hung jury. And I but I have
to hold out. This is New York, Greg. I would prepare.
I would tell everyone prepare for the worst.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah. Well, you know, you and I were discussing this before,
and I said, guessing at the outcome, he is a feckless,
stupid endeavor, especially in a crooked case.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But that's why I said it was an unfair question.
I didn't say my question was fair. I said it
was unfair.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
But you know what, I'll take the bait and I
my best estimate is a hung jury.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You know what, A hung jury in New York City
is a massive win in my view. I'll take it.
I hope you're both right. I really appreciate both of you, Greg,
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Do it today now. Former Congressman and gubernatorial candidate from
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Closing arguments in the Sham Trump Trial of New York.
The defense the way it works in New York, the
defense goes first, prosecution gets the last word. And the
prosecution just said before the break that they are only
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one third of the way through. They're closing arguments. Observers
in the courtroom texting me that they're yawning and exhausted,
even though they're being told that they better expect to
stay late tonight. One third of the way through, Okay,
that means about four more hours that they will have
to sit there, which brings us to like eight pm Eastern.
(00:44):
Unreal if that's what the case is going to be anyway,
So much going on, the most shocking part of the
prosecutions closing arguments have been the insane arguments they have
made to rehabilitate Michael Kohane and even Stormy Daniels in
this case. I mean a spectacular moment. I mean the
(01:04):
fact that they feel the need to do this and
the fact that well, you can't blame Michael Cohen for
stealing from Donald Trump, and maybe that's called grand larceny.
I don't know what they would call I legally, you know,
because or you can't blame him for selling merchandise, you know,
because he has only this connection to sell what a
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guy that's made for and I have million dollars from
podcast two books and I guess gifts that are given
to him, if that's even included. And then of course
it even goes a step further. You know, they're offering
excuses for his lying. Let's see to the previous courts, Congress,
his family. You know, he's the one that said repeatedly
(01:46):
to the media based on his own testimony, that he
alone made this decision without Trump's knowledge. Then, of course
the lie that was caught in that the that the
defense pointed out the minute in thirty six I can
call at a time when text messages showed that he
was calling Keith Schiller at President Trump's defense, I guess
(02:06):
a security person, and then he calls Schiller at that
time and then claims, oh, yeah, well, no, I talked
to Schiller, and then I talked to Trump about the
whole stormy Daniels thing and the week Priory said, oh yeah,
they talked extensively about it. That was the phone call
he referred to. So we got all of that done
in a minute, in thirty six seconds. Pretty spectacular achievement
if he asked me, and not one that's believable anyway,
(02:30):
Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst, best selling author. Roger Severino,
vice president Domestic Policy at Heritage, Trump's former director of
the Office of Civil Rights and also a former Department
of Justice civil rights attorney. Welcome both of you to
the courtroom. Greg, I begin with you pretty How does
(02:52):
the prosecution just dismiss away their star witness in this case?
And just you know, it's understandable that he you know
that he took this money. It's it's understandable that he lied.
Not a problem. Uh Okay? Is the need so great?
I would have thought they'd avoid Cane like the plague,
But they're trying to rehabilitate him, which is that that
(03:15):
is impossible. I was told some jurors rolled their eyes
when they heard it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me. Prosecutor Joshua Steinnglass tried,
I think in vain to rehabilitate. The uber discredited Michael
Cohen as a fool's Erron Sean, there are too many
lies to rationalize, too many sleazy maneuvers to try to
cleanse prosecutors tainting themselves by aligning with a notorious grifter
(03:45):
and connartists. They vouched for a convicted perjurer. And the
best that Steinnglass could say about Michael Cohen is, and
I'm quoting here, he doesn't lie all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He doesn't lie all the time. And then he made
the other spectacular statement, you know that, Well, if Trump
is such a liar, why didn't he go all the
way and say that Trump slept with Daniels. That's easy
because he had already been on record saying just the
opposite again and again and again. And the idea, well,
Coan felt that Trump did him dirty. Oh, is that
(04:20):
an excuse to steal what fifty sixty thousand dollars whatever
the number is.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean it's an absurd explanation. And I do
think the defense did a good job taking direct aim
at Cohen. In his closing argument, Todd Blanche for the
defense recounted twelve occasions one by one in which Cohen
lied directly to the jurors during his trial testimony. And
(04:48):
that's on top of the myriad of prior lives he
battled to Congress, Banks, Special Counsel, the Irs, the FEC,
government lawyers, and judges. Cohen sudden and forced a mission
to larceny on cross examination tells me that, you know,
he also lied to the very prosecutors who called him
(05:08):
to the stand. And I think the best line of
the day was this stinging rebuke by the defense. It
should ring memorably in the minds of jurors. Michael Cohen
is the gloat. He is the greatest liar of all time,
and that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Will resonate, that will be remembered, and that obviously that's stung.
Could you think of any other rational reason why the
prosecution would go so hard to try to rehabilitate and
defend him, because I can't. And then the spectacular way
(05:48):
in which they're just basically you know, he's understandably angry
that you know, he says that Trump, Trump did him dirty.
I mean, that's that's their excuse. Then he tried to
make that they tried to make the claim and sneak
in that this was a Trump's direction. The defense objected,
there's no evidence that was presented. This was a Trump's direction.
(06:09):
Not one shred of evidence ever brought up in this
case that said that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And it's it is incomprehensible, Sean, that Bragg would rely
on a chronic liar. But the truth is Bragg had
nothing else. The DA knew his star witness would lie
even more when he slithered to the witness stand, and
prosecutors wanted him to lie to me that supporting perjury.
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Bragg and his acolytes could care less. In their book,
honesty is for chumps. All they care about, Sean, is
contorting the law, mangling the evidence to convict an innocent
man for purely political reasons.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And then the conspiracy Roger Severino, Old Cohne and Donald
Trump's security guy Keith Schiller, they knew each other well,
and they spoke in the coded language for a minute
in thirty six secs seconds. That was coded language and
had nothing to do with the text messages of a
panicked Michael Cohne upset about a fourteen year old prankster,
the calling.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Him, yeah, that's right. That is simply unbelievable. I think
that the prosecution. They have to try to rehabilitate Cohen
because that's all they got. He is their star witness.
He's the only one who has said anything that is
actually linking Trump, and we know just based on the
pedals of his books Disloyal and Revenge, he cannot be trusted.
He's out to get Trump, and hopefully the jury is
(07:30):
going to be able to see right through it. Unless
he's the world's fastest talker. You cannot say in ninety
six seconds about harassing fourteen year old and then talk
about his whole conspiracy about pain of Dormy Daniels in
ninety six seconds. Here's one thing. He's a liar. He's
a convicted liar. The jury knows that. But it's quite
another thing when he lied to the jurors' faces, and
(07:53):
the defense was masterful when the exposed Cohen and showed
him the text messages, and he start, it's floundering, and
it was obvious he was lying, and he said, well,
I believe I spoke to him, and the different said, no,
I don't care about what you believe, it's what actually happened.
And when you're caught in a lie in front of
a jury, that's just the end. I was on a
jury and one of the defendants lied on the stand,
(08:17):
and the jury flipped on him immediately. And I think
that's what happened here, because any justice, the jurors are
going to see right through it and say that their
star witness. It all depends on Cohen. Cohan cannot be believed.
He's lied habitually. He lied on the stand. He's lying now.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I think you pointed out, Greg, the twelve occasions that
con lied directly to this jury, and the ten reasonable
doubtless that was brought up, the admission that he benefits
from the outcome of this that he wants, you know,
Trump in jail, selling merchandise of Trump in jail. You
(08:52):
can't blame Cone for selling merch or making money off
off off Trump. That he feels Trump did him dirty.
Oh I feel, by the way, Greg, you did me dirty.
So I'm going to rob tens of thousands of dollars
from you. And by the way, whenever we speak, we
speak in coded language, which you know is beyond the
(09:14):
pale to me. And look, as this day was beginning,
I didn't have a great feeling in my stomach about this.
I just don't like the fact anytime you go on
before a jury you just really can't predict. Greg Jarrett,
I do not think this day has gone particularly well
for the prosecution. I think they have made things dramatically worse.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, I think you make a great point. And this
came out today during closing arguments. Not once during the
trial did did DA offer any plausible evidence that Trump
intended to defraud anyone. Instead, prosecutors invented this chimera. It's
an imaginary crime that exists nowhere in the world law,
(10:00):
and in a normal case Shawan, with a neutral jury,
the perversity of that shameful prosecutorial tactic would be obvious
and a not guilty verdict would immediately follow. But here
Alvin Bragg and his confederates are betting the farm on
a biased jury predisposed to convict Donald Trump based on
(10:22):
their own political views of the accused, despite no evidence
of incriminating facts. Any impartial jury would have little trouble
rendering an acquittal in very short order, and he should
never have gotten as far. Honest prosecutors would never have
brought such perverse charges or hung their entire case on
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a convicted perjurer. And it is a sign of the
desperation of Alvin Bragg that he brought such a meritless
perverse case.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
But it's still a New York jury. Roger Severe know
that worries me.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, it's not just the jury to worry about, it's
the judge. The judges are already ruled that the jury
does not have to be unanimous as to what the
secondary crime was. Right, So here's the order of operations.
They have to prove that Trump ordered Cohen to pay
the money, that he ordered his business records to be
quote falsified, and this was all done to further some
unspecified crime. And the judges said that the jury does
(11:25):
not have to agree that's what that crime was. Is
it campaign finance violations? Is it state law? Is it
federal law? Is it some sort of influencing of the
election corruptly? We don't know. Take your pick, and for
the judge will allow that. I mean this, if he
gets convicted, that's going to be right for appeal. You
can't be in the jury room saying I think he's
guilty of something, but we can't agree on what it is.
(11:46):
Let's convict him anyway. That's just a kangaroo core and
I'm hopeful that if it does get convicted, it could
be reversed very quickly on background alone.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Well, let's get your take, Greg Jarrett, in his zeal
to wrongfully convict Mershan has torn up a fundamental right, as.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Roger points out, that's embedded in constitutional principles. The US
Supreme Court has said that unanimity and jury verdicts is
required under the sixth and seventh Amendment. That requirement extends
to all issues, said the High Court. So to find
someone guilty, jurors must always agree without dissent, on every
(12:30):
necessary element of the purported crime. That's an indispensable feature
of jury trials, and it has vanished in this case
thanks to Judge Marshon. Alvin Bragg and Mershon together have
worked to deprive Trump of a fair trial, robbing him
of his due process rights under the fourteenth Amendment. But
(12:52):
is anybody surprised, I'm not. This case was never about
criminality or fidelity to the law. That was a gross pretext.
We know what this case is about, manipulating the legal
system to delegitimize Trump's candidacy for president. It's classic lawfare.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And and Roger, you have a Biden donor. Judge, you
have the issue with the daughter. You have a DA
that ran on a get Trump platform. We learned from
Costello exculpatory information that he specifically gave the DA's office
was withheld from the indicting grand jury. We know the
judge's actions against Costello and the former FEC chair to
(13:35):
restrict their their very important testimony jury instructions. I'm sure
we'll all but you know, be the judge convicting Trump
right before the jury. There's a reason this Greg pointed
out all of this. You know, all these people ahead
of time that nobody wanted to bring the case. They
saw no case. NDAs are not illegal. Catch and kill
(13:56):
is not illegal. The star witness, a convicted, admitted liar
fell and now they're trying to reabilitate him. Stormy Daniels
not exactly the most credible either when it comes to
you know, the four or five times that she said
that didn't happen, including January twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, and the judge has put the defense on a
tight leash in the closing arguments while letting the prosecution
pretty much say what they want a lot of other
grounds were appeal. Remember Trump was not indicted for any
campaign finance violations. He was not indicted. They're trying to
litigate something that's not before this jury, and the judge
(14:32):
is letting let him get away with it. And let's
not forget what this is designed to do. Not only
is designed to interfere with an election, they're going to
do it by whatever happens to distract Trump from campaigning.
Look at how much time he's had to dedicate sitting
in this sham trial, day after day after day instead
of campaigning. And that's another big part of this story.
(14:54):
You have the gag order that's been imposed on him.
His argument is that he's going to reform the justice system.
This is a miss courage justice that's happening in real time,
and he can't fully talk in his defense.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's unreal for.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
To try to stop him from retaking the White House.
That's what this is all about. It's not about law,
it's not about crimes because it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Existe Roger, we have to let you go. Greg you're
staying with us. Leo two point oh Terrell will join
on the other side. Cords resume. We'll give you updates
as they happen. All right, we got a lot of
ground to cover the closing argument, So the prosecution has continued.
It's been a desperate hail Mary up to this point.
(15:34):
But they're only about a third of the way through.
The judge has instructed the jury that they will probably
stay later into the night. I'm sure that's making them
feel great. Not sure exactly what the point of it
is except maybe to muddy the waters. We'll get analysis
Leo two point, Oho Terrell, and Greg Jarrett as we continue,
hopefully get your calls in as well, driving the liberal nuts.
(16:01):
Sean Hannity is back on the radio right now, all right,
twenty five to the top of the hour with defense
about I'm sorry prosecution about oh, I don't know, thirty
five minutes ago or so said, well, we're only about
a third of the way through closing arguments. The judge
instructs the jury that they'll be staying late tonight. I'm
still not sure that they'll even be able to, you know,
(16:24):
get all of that time, and you're talking about six
long hours and now after they've been done trying to
rehabilitate Michael Cone, which is task impossible with the most
outrageous justifications for crimes. You know, now they're trying to
rehabilitate Stormy Daniels, and I'm not particularly convinced that that's
gonna work well either. You know, it's well after the
(16:48):
Access Hollywood tape came out and became national news phone
traffic exploding between and among Keith Davis and Dylan Howard
and Michael Cone and Trump. Okay, where's the evidence? Nda
is not illegal? We keep going over this again and
again and again. And Nora is catch and killed for
that matter. And remember this law that this novel legal
(17:09):
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the courtroom. Oh Steinlass says, defendant is a savvy businessman.
(18:53):
Well he wasn't savvy enough to know that Michael Comb
was robbing him and stealing from him. Anyway, we bring
back Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analysts, best selling author,
also Leo two point oh Terrell attorney, a civil rights attorney,
also in his own right, best selling hat seller, a
merch seller in his own right, because you know, according
(19:14):
to the defense, you can't blame con for selling merch
and making money off of Trump and admitting that he's
going to benefit from Trump's conviction and selling Trump mugs
and T shirts with Trump in jail. You know, well,
Cone felt like he did him dirty. So what that's
okay to lie about him, that's okay to you know,
make money off him. Unbelievable anyway, mister Leo two point Ohterrell, sir,
(19:37):
welcome back. How are you you watching this this sham
all day?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
I've been watching it from unfortunately, this painful fart. It's
not a trial, by the way. As a political democrat,
witch Hu if anybody had any doubt, you saw the
circus with Robert de Niro in company. This is purely political.
But what I honestly believe, Sean. I've been a lawyer
for thirty years. I've been a trial law I think
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you've already got the fact attorney's closing arguments not evidence.
But i'll tell you right now what I'm hoping for
it notwithstanding the one sided judge who's in the back
pockets of the Democrats. I'm putting a lot of confidence
in these two attorneys who are on the jury because
you know what, they know what facts are, and they
know they have an ethical obligation as attorneys who the
(20:23):
right thing. I hope they can see through this.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
But Leo, one of those attorneys is a DEI attorney.
That scares me. That means as hardcore left as you
can get.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Well, I'll tell you right now, Sean, there's something about
that jury box. And Greg would tell you there's an
obligation to uphold justice on top of that. And let
me be clear, most lawyers do not want lawyers in
the jury box. But I honestly believe you got a
lieing witness. The only witness the prosecution has Michael Cohen.
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He's live from here to Sunday, and there's no credibility whatsoever.
There's no evidence against Trump. So what I'm saying to
you is there's no way you get a conviction notwithstanding
what the judge has done to the defense. And I'm
just hoping that these two lawyers rise above the nonsense
and do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Look at the testimony, in Cone's own words, that he
admitted that he was telling the media that he did
this on his own. Greg Jarrett, now on top of
all of his other credibility issues being exposed now as
a thief, on top of an admitted and convicted liar,
and everything else in between. You know which Donald Trump
(21:37):
are you going to I'm sorry, which Michael Cone A
you're gonna believe here, the one that's saying that Donald
Trump knew everything or the Michael Cone that was telling
everybody he did this all on his own, didn't tell Trump.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, jurors, I hope will trust nothing he has to
say in addition.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
To the dozen Well let me let me stop you,
because I want to interrupt. If they do conclude that
does this trial then likely and differently than maybe those
that thought there would be an easy conviction thing, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It absolutely should as long as they're following the law.
Notwithstanding the bastardization of the law by Judge wan Ershan.
But you know, the jurors do tend to try to
take their duties conscientiously and follow the law. And I
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agree with Leo that having a couple of lawyers on
the jury, and I've always kicked him off the jury
in cases I tried. In this case, I think you
really can benefit if you're the defense from a couple
of lawyers. They will see through this smoking mirrors, this charade,
this sham of the case brought by Alvin Bragg and
(22:53):
his confederates. And you know, maybe you need some background
in the law to be able to recognize this for
what it truly is. You know, this is a case
that is based on an expired crime that's no crime
at all, a mysterious secondary crime that was incognito until
(23:16):
today's closing arguments, and a lying witness and a convicted
perjurer is also a thief. I mean, that is the
summoned substance of the inane criminal case brought against Donald Trump.
And I think it finally fully came into focus during
the closing arguments as the lead defense attorney, Todd Blanche
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pierced the veil of this charade by dismantling many of
the aspects of the DA's farcical prosecution.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
What's your take, Leo, I agree with Gregor one versin.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I want to you a perfect example of this, Sean.
I don't care in any case, there's a jury structure
that says, if you did leave a witness in an
area of his testimony, you can just believe everything tole
Blench has shown that Michael Cohen is light in front
of the jury. He's a thief. He admitted to being
(24:11):
a thief in front of the jury. This guy lied
to the prosecution. And what I find so obvious in
this case is that, besides the fact that this judge
is in the pocket of the Democrat Party. I've practiced law
for thirties. I'm a pretty good trial lawyer. Never in
my life have I seen the defense being handcuffed without
(24:32):
having the jury, without being able to talk about the
jury instruction. I mean, will you do Colder and say, look,
the judge is going to instruct you on the jury
on the instructions of the law. But let me tell
you what I see here, how our facts complied with
the law, and they have been defenseless without these jury instructions.
This is again the reason why I think these two
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lawyers are critical, critical shan to the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, I mean, I guess it would be too much
to expect Greg Jarrett in a venue as prejudiced and
as biased against the Republican or somebody with the last
named Trump as New York City, that you're going to
have a fair venue. I said from the very beginning
of this entire case that there's no way that you're
going to get a fair trial in New York, or
(25:21):
do it you get a fair trial in d C.
Or get a fair trial in Fulton County, Georgia. I
think I've been more than proven correct here. You have
a Biden donor judge, you have the issue of the daughter.
You have a DA that ran on a get Trump platform.
You know, we learned from Bob Costello exculpatory information that
he specifically gave the DA was withheld from the indicting
(25:42):
grand jury. The judge's complete meltdown in actions versus Costello
or not letting the former FEC chair actually explain the
law and how it's not applicable here, which is why
the FBC, the SDN, Y, the DOJ, and every other
jurisdiction wouldn't go near this, uh, and Bragg's predecessor wouldn't
(26:05):
go near. Bragg himself wanted nothing to do with it
until he was embarrassed. A misdemeanor of statute of limitations,
long past novel legal theory that allows a you know,
a city juris jurisdiction to become what an upgraded federal
elections felony. The star witness admitted convicted liar, now thief.
NDA's not illegal, catch and kill not illegal. Stormy is
(26:28):
allowed to draw, you know, drone on about salacious innuendo.
It's all irrelevant, immaterial. You know, Costello can't even impeach
their star witness. We can't get expert legal testimony. You know,
perhaps the greatest line of this trial so far as
the gloat line, the greatest liar of all time, Michael Cohene,
the star witness. No wonder they're spending all this time
(26:49):
trying to rehabilitate him.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Greg, Oh, you're right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And what Bragg has done in using Cohen and others,
is he's weaponizing statute. It's not because the law has
been broken, but because the accused poses a political threat.
The real threat is unscrupulous prosecutors like Alvin Bragg. He
has forsaken his duty to see that justice is done.
(27:15):
And remember, prosecutors are armed with immense powers. In Brag,
he's become a law unto himself. He created the illusion
of wrongdoing to an null Donald Trump in an end
that justifies any means. And I'm reminded of the great
Supreme Court Justice Lewis Brandeis who said the greatest dangerous
(27:38):
to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal
he was talking about, and he feared people like Alvin
Bragg under color of law. Bragg seeks to oppress, He
seeks to imprison an innocent person for political reasons. And
(27:59):
where the law ends, tyranny begins. And Alvin Bragg, together
with Mershon, are tyrants. They have misused and abused our
legal system for all the wrong reasons. It is unjustifiable,
it is shameful, and they must be roundly condemned.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What's your take, Leo.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I'll tell you, Jean, this is a wake up call.
And I just think of what Trump said to every
and every rally. If they can do it to him,
they can do it to every one of us on
this radio program to all your listeners, this is a
key point in our legal system, because not only have
the Democrats hijacked this New York courtroom, they hijacked the
(28:46):
entire legal system in New York and other democratic towns.
And what is the only safeguard right now short of
this November twenty four Trump election is the Supreme Court
and some judges that still believe in the rule of law.
I e. Eileen Cannon, who told Jack Smith go where
it doesn't shine with that requested gag order. I mean,
(29:09):
I'm telling you the Democrats will go back into their
little cupyhole they say we got to get the Supreme
Court because that is the saving grace of our rule
law right now, and that is what's protecting Trump in
every America in this country right now.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
It's really an unbelievable time. What do you make of
the fact I'm being told by people in the courtroom
that the jury is bored, that they did not seeing
anyone taking any notes anymore. It seems like, you know,
I would interpret that as Okay, we've heard enough, can
you please move on.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, it is a sophomoric mistake by prosecutor Stenglass. Less
is more, And you know any trial attorney has experienced
has learned that the hard way. You cannot seek to
replicate the entire case. You have to pick and choose.
(30:03):
You have to synthesize it to its bare essence and
hit the high points. Don't try to hit every point
because you will alienate the jurors. And minute by minute,
hour by hour, as it goes on, you're just gonna
piss them off to use plain language and they'll hold
(30:24):
it against you. And you know, if they're on the fence,
that can make the difference.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
All right, let me ask the unfair question, and it's
totally completely unfair one not in the courtroom. But I've
said from the beginning, regardless of the outcome here, I
don't think Trump got a fair trial. So here's my question.
How does this end? LEO will start with you.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Oh, I think I'll be very clear in my opinion.
I think at the very at the worst scenario for Trump,
it's a hum jury. That's the worst. I do not
see a guilty verdict. And I think there's an outside
chance that he could be acquitted all these charges, but
I would say hung jury.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't see any chance of acquittal, just based on
the venue and observations told to me by people in
the courtroom about the jurors. But I do see a
chance of a hung jury. And I but I have
to hold out. This is New York, Greg. I would prepare.
I would tell everyone prepare for the worst.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah. Well, you know, you and I were discussing this before,
and I said, guessing at the outcome, he is a feckless,
stupid endeavor, especially in a crooked case.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But that's why I said it was an unfair question.
I didn't say my question was fair. I said it
was unfair.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
But you know what, I'll take the bait and I
my best estimate is a hung jury.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You know what, A hung jury in New York City
is a massive win in my view. I'll take it.
I hope you're both right. I really appreciate both of you, Greg,
Jarrett Leo two point on Turell, thank you both. Eight
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A N.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Do it today now. Former Congressman and gubernatorial candidate from
New York for the Republicans, Lee Zelden. He is a
Trump legal surrogate. He's going to join us as well
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