KSR Postgame UK FB vs Vanderbilt 10/13/24

Matt and Billy recap the Cats' 20-13 loss to Vandy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everyone. It is the local Toy Dealers KSR postgame show.
It's late at night and it's a grumpy night around
the Big Blue Nation. We'll open up the phones. Uh,
I'm gonna be honest with you. In a long day,
so it's probably not gonna be the longest postgame ever.
Excuse me, and I want to hear from you all
eight five ' nine two eight zho twenty two eighty seven.

(00:21):
I'm sure you have frustration, so feel free to call
an air it. I think this may have been the
I don't think it's the worst loss of the Stoops
ere I actually think that was two years ago to Vandy,
because I think that Vandy team two years ago wasn't
even good and this one is at least decent. But

(00:43):
I do think this is in terms of it's sort
of a culmination of a series of problems that we've
seen with Stoops teams for thirteen years. I think sort
of tonight was probably the worst performance wise that a
Stoops team has played. And the three things that I

(01:06):
think are the biggest problems with Stoops they all reared
themselves in this game. Number one is end of half.
I mean, I feel like We've talked about this on
this show twenty five times, but end of half management

(01:26):
it was it was awful. I mean I could break
down play by play where I think they screwed up.
I mean, you start with the fact that you want
to clearly they wanted to do a drive at the
end of the first half, and you just let them
run thirty seconds off the clock without calling a timeout.
So if you didn't want to have a drive, you
screwed it up. But then when you got the ball

(01:49):
instead of as I thought the announcers, who did a
very good job tonight, Tom and Jordan Rodgers noted like,
instead of running the ball, which you're able to do
because of the new two minute warning, they throw it
three times. They make throws that are difficult throws. They
need at least one completion to require Vandy to call timeouts,
they don't get them, and they end up giving Vandy

(02:11):
the ball still though you get him in a third
and long and you have a chance to hold him
to a field goal, and you give up a twenty
two yard touchdown, which is you know, you just can't
have a worse result, and it's the difference in the game. Honestly,
honestly the end of the first half. And it's even
especially bad because they get the first ball in the
second half so consistently. During the Stoops era, clock management

(02:34):
and specifically end of the first half management has been
pretty much atrocious his entire time here. I think he
has a lot of strengths as a coach, but I
think he is just really really bad at clock management,
and it's never it's not gotten better during those during
these years. The second thing is disciplined, and well, actually,

(02:58):
let's say the second thing is penalties, which is kind
of an offset of discipline, but eleven penalties over one
hundred yards, As Tom Leech pointed out in his comments
when he was talking to Stoops, it's actually more than
one hundred yards when you consider the In the NFL,
oftentimes they'll they'll show you how long the play would
have been without the penalty. If you did that. For Kentucky,

(03:20):
it's probably one hundred and fifty to one hundred and
sixty yards in penalties. The offensive line, you know, I
sort of feel bad for Mensi and Cox because they're
just not good enough. And I clearly Kentucky doesn't feel
like they have other options because I mean the coaches
see that too. Between the two of them, five holding penalties,

(03:45):
five three of which were backbreaker penalties where if they
don't get the hold, it's a big play and just
just terrible penalties and they just get beat consistently. And
I you know, there's an old saying in foot, well
you could call a hold on every play. That's probably true,
but I'll be honest with you, they could call twice,

(04:05):
two times or three times as many on those guys.
They're just I think in Cox's case it's injury. I
feel bad for him, honestly. I think he's not really
healthy and doesn't have a lot of movement, but he
has to play, and then Menci has it's been an
issue since he's been here, So I mean, you just
I think Bush Hampden is sort of limited as a

(04:26):
play caller because he can't keep Brock in the pocket.
Brock has to roll around. He's not really great throwing
on the run, so and even when he rolls around,
there's a decent chance there's gonna be a hole because
they can't keep up with their men. So it's just
it's a disaster. So penalties, But what's more frustrating to
me than even the holding penalties are just the discipline penalties.

(04:49):
Dang key with a horrible penalty early in the game.
I don't totally think the Doomus Johnson call was right,
but it still was an important penalty. The special teams penalty.
I mean, if you don't get hold there number thirty
five and I don't even know who thirty five is,
to be honest with you, but he had two. I mean,
how you only play on special teams plays? How do
you have two penalties for holding? And he did? You know,

(05:14):
that's that's awful. So double digit penalties, one hundred yards
and penalties huge problem. Discipline again has been an issue
often in the Stoops era, which is my number three thing.
I mean, it is hard for me to not get

(05:34):
extremely frustrated at how a group who I'm not gonna
say they haven't had accomplishments. They have, but this current
group playing right now. I talked last year about undeserved
arrogance often during the year, and while they did beat
Old Miss, you know, you're coming off a bye and

(05:54):
you're playing a andy team and you're showcasing sort of
undeserved arrogance again, And when I say discipline, though I
don't just mean like acting in bad behavior, I mean
discipline of playing disciplined. Two snaps on special teams that
are you know, botched. I think one was probably more

(06:17):
on the holder, one was probably more on the snapper.
So actually Jordan Rodgers thought Alex Rainer should have kicked it.
I'm not blaming that kick because he's been perfect this year,
but just in general, I mean, how do you have
two of those snap errors? I think had scored there
at the end, would you have even felt comfortable given
them the extra point kick there? I don't know. I

(06:37):
mean I was sitting there thinking because I always try
to think two or three plays ahead, like what are
they going to do if they score? I don't know
if you could have trusted him to kick a field
goal which is which is a disaster. And I think
if this is the second game like this in the
stoops there, I believe was it Old Miss Billy a
few years ago where we had the same problem We
couldn't snap, we couldn't hold the ball, and I think
we lost because of that. Maybe I think that was

(07:00):
the Coche. Yeah, I think that was the COVID year,
though I think we lost to Ole Miss solely because
of snapping. So you know, look, I listen to supers
of postgame comments. He does always take responsibility, but you
know he doesn't have answers as to why this stuff happens.
And Alpha bye week. Mark Stoops is five and eight,

(07:24):
and three of those wins are against really bad bandy teams.
So but now lost five and eight off of by
Kentucky is zero to six in their last six SEC
home games, two and ten in their last twelve. I mean,
there's nothing you can say about that. Coaches get fired
for being two and ten in their last twelve SEC

(07:47):
home games. So, I mean, this has been a season
where if you just hold servant home against teams that
in theory you should be better than, you would be
five and one and instead now you are three and three.
You let's just assume you beat Murray State, so that's four.
You got to get two wins out of Florida, Auburn

(08:08):
and Louisville and just even be boweligible. I mean there's
a legitimate chance they won't even be Bowl eligible for
the first time since Mark Stoops what second third year,
and when you consider the resources that have been put
into the program, when you consider the way that Stoops
obviously famously said pony up, but also has admonished fans

(08:32):
to get there, show up, be loud. You know, these
performances are just they're just not acceptable. So you're at
the halfway point of the year. You're gonna play Florida
next week. Florida lost their store at the starting quarterback tonight,
but their backup might even be better. Who knows. I
think their backup will give us problems because he moves
around like Diego did. But you know, winning at Florida,

(08:54):
like Florida almost won at Tennessee tonight. So it's it's very,
very frustrating, and you know you're in a situation. I
know what they're to what people are going to say, Well,
you got to replace coach. First of all, we're halfway
through the year. There's still another second half. But also
for the same reasons in the conversation we talked about

(09:15):
cal even if you want to do that, you cannot financially.
So you're just in a tough spot. And I don't know,
I don't know what they do right now. I will
say one of the things Stoops is good at is
after bad performances, they usually come back and play well.
So I actually expect expect Kentucky probably to play well

(09:35):
next week. But this you can't lose at home to
Vandy two straight times. Terrible performance and probably the most
undisciplined and disappointing one that Mark's had since the one
two years ago against Vandy eight five nine two eight
zero twenty two eighty seven. It's very late. I want
to hear what you all think. Let's take a break.

(09:56):
This is the Local Toy Dealers KSR post game show. Appreciate, uh,
I said, appreciate its call. Billy and I we're talking,
and I almost appreciated Billy. Billy asked me about uh, well,
actually you just ask on the air here. Well, we
would tell him what you asked me.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, I thought a lot of tonight was about the
penalty Stoops didn't accept. There was the one that Kentucky
got stopped on the goal line. There was an off
sides call that they could have taken.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, let's talk about that one first or.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
A false start maybe it was it was.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Nose and offsides Kentucky. It was first and goal from
the six, they get to the one, it's off sides.
They declined the penalty, so it's second and goal, and
of course then we had the false start. He should
have taken the penalty because then they would get it.
Then it's first and goal at the three, but you
get an extra play. I think in that situation, the
extra play is more important than being on the goal line. Clearly,

(10:46):
in hindsight, if you have the false start, you want
to take it. But to be fair to him, he
didn't know there was going to be a false start.
But I still think I'm with you, Billy. I still
think you take it because you get four shots from
the three, right, so you want to do that. And
so yeah, I didn't understand that. I'm sure he thought, well,
we're at the goal line, we'll just punch it in.

(11:08):
I don't want to back up to the three. But
then you the false start shows why you can't do that.
And by the way, that false start. I was complaining
about Mensi and Cox on their holds, but it was
also Cox that got the false start, right or was
it Mensi? It was one of them, Like the fact
that they're not great blockers does not excuse a false start,
right there.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, false start, then a bad throw and then I mean,
if plus they're.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Gonna be running through the middle like the tackles should
not be getting a false start. That's a huge mistake
by those guys. And then what was your second one?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Uh, the second one was after the key touchdown, there
was an off sides call. They could have gone for two,
and I don't.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Think you go for that. To your point, here's why
I don't. Okay, obviously he doesn't know they're gonna miss
the extra point. You go for two in that situation
if it's a fourteen point game, but if it's a
thirteen point game, you are assuming and you should assume
you're gonna make the extra point. And so going for
two takes away the advantage of only being down thirteen

(12:05):
instead of fourteen.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
But it allows them to allow a field goal on defense.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, but you're sitting there thinking you're gonna get a stop.
The analytics on that This happened in the NFL, I think,
not that long ago, on a thirteen point game and
they put up the analytics, and the analytics there says
kick the extra point. With if it's a fourteen point game,
the analytics say go for two. But in a thirteen
point game, because you assume you're gonna get a stop

(12:32):
and then you're gonna score and you have a game
winning touchdown instead of a game time. Of course, when
you botch the snap, none of it matters anyway. So
all right, who's up first, Larry? Larry, go ahead, Larry, Hey, Matete, Yes,
what's up?

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Just Colin say, you know, it's just another embarrassing loss.
I mean, I don't use the call of these colling
shows that after leading to Bandy twice at home the
past two years, I mean, it's just another undisciplined Mark
Steps football team. I mean, I know in the post
game he said that, you know, you know I told
them all week we've got to be disciplined. So therefore

(13:07):
they go out and they be disciplined. That doesn't work
that way.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, No, you're right. I mean he says that after
every undisciplined game, and at some point it's a pattern.
I mean, how many how many other coaches, Like there
are a lot of coaches who might have one undisciplined game, Larry,
every ten years, we have two or three a year.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Oh yeah, and you know the defense played well enough
to win the ball game. The offense, I mean, they
just they just shut themselves in their foot, That's all
you can say. And he's got to do something with
the discipline. I mean, you got to take players out,
put them on the sidelines. You're not going back in.
You put them back in for not disciplined enough, take

(13:51):
them back out again.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
To your point about the defense in the offense, So
they what did they They scored twenty, we scored thirteen,
we scored thirty. I'm gonna give you a stat, Larry,
that'll drive you crazy, and it Vandy has not allowed
this few points to an SEC team since twenty eighteen.

(14:15):
So we scored the fewest points against Vandy since any
SEC team since twenty eighteen. That's six seasons ago. So
I'm with you. The defense was not great. This was
not the best, but it's good enough to win. You
gotta I think I said on the pregame show today
Van I think I literally said, Billy, Vandy's not gonna

(14:38):
score more than twenty, and they score exactly twenty. They
scored the high end. And I appreciate the call, Larry
for what I thought they could score. But you gotta
be able to score twenty one against Vandy. You certainly
can't just score thirteen.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Who's next, Sean, Sean, what's up?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Sean?

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Hey, Matt just wanted to say, I'm more old school
than March two says, And after Dame Key gets that penalty,
he's not playing the rest of the night. I mean,
until the bench is the best motivator and it's a
way to get disciplined back. And I mean, and then
he had to fumble later, but I mean, I'm he's

(15:17):
not playing after that early in the game. Catch the
ball and get back to the huddle and let's do
it again.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Well, you know what I mean. We love Dame, but
Dame cost Kentucky six points tonight at least maybe more,
but certainly yeah, I mean, like he cost.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Me the fumbles the two that's what.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm assuming, though I'm assuming they get three. They could
have gotten seven to your point, on both drives, so
it could have cost him fourteen. But at a minimum
in both situations, if he doesn't get the fumble and
the penalty, years you should get three. So he at
least cost him six. And it is him. And while
he is a great player and a great talent, like

(15:58):
that's just a reality, You're right, I mean, I don't
know that I would agree with you. He should he
should not play again. But those are two massive mistakes, right.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
But I mean, we've got you talked about we got
to get disciplined. Well, the way you get disciplined is
consequences for your action, and that's true, and there doesn't
appear to be any consequence for bad actions.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I think that's a fair point. Appreciate the call. I
think that's a fair point, and I think that's been
If you listen to Max, he'll say one of the
reasons players love stoops is they can kind up be themselves.
They don't walk on eggs eggshells, and there's a positive
of that, but the negative may be what you're saying

(16:40):
right there. Who's next? Ryan? Ryan? Go ahead, right, y'all
doing tonight.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
I know it's kind of tough, tough loss night, But
I'm like you all in the diehard blue fans, you know,
you when you're born into this when in Kentucky.

Speaker 7 (16:54):
You're either blue or you're red.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm blue.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
You look in my veins, they're blue.

Speaker 8 (16:58):
I blue blue. But I just got to say I'm
I called in after that George loss, and I said
that Kentucky needs to do something from the top down
because we're stuck in neutral with this.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I mean, let's say you want to do that, the
conversation hang on a second, because there's some version of
this guy say, there'll be some version of this conversation, uh,
you know for the next few weeks. The same thing
I said when Cal was here. They can't do anything.
They don't have the money to pay a bye. So
I'm interested in what people think they can do even

(17:36):
if they wanted to, which I'm not even saying is
a good idea. But let's say you wanted to. They
don't have the money to pay a bye.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
So can I ask you this?

Speaker 9 (17:45):
Then?

Speaker 6 (17:45):
So Stupents has been here for what twelve years? Has
been in the twelfth season, right, and Cal was here
for what fifteen? Yes, yes, something like that. Okay, So
Cal had his last three years were kind of like sour.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
But we didn't fire, we didn't fight right, right, and
maybe Mark would decide to do that, but but.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
We That's where I was getting to, right, So I went, all,
So here's my thing. So Stoope's had we've had with him,
we've had what he's been here for twelve seasons, He's
took us to a ball quite a few years. I
gave him that we've had uh what one ten win
season with him.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Or two two two?

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Okay, to ten win seasons with him. But if you
think and look at his overall record, we've had a
sour it like it's been sour with our football. Like
why I said, we've kind of been stuck.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I mean, look, I'm gonna have this. I'm glad to
have this conversation with you. And the stuck in neutral
I think is a fair point to say it's sour.
He's the winning this coach in the history this school,
and he's had more success. He's had more success than
any coach that hasn't cheated here since Bear Bryant. So
I do think, I do think you have to I
do think you have to have ballance now have it. So,

(18:56):
So I mean it's fine that the stuck in neutral comment.
I think is fair to act like, well, I don't know,
or do.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
You think or do you think their program or do
you think they'll you know, because I'm like no, I'll
give him like if Kentucky goes and you know, let's
say we win next week against Florida, we win against Aubury,
you know, of course everybody's gonna have a different.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Mindset after that.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
But then again, if we go on the next losing
streak and we don't win again into Marry State, you know,
then we're at au.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I totally agree. That's why I don't know that you
can say I appreciate it, Caul. I don't know what's
gonna happen. You know, we're halfway through the season. If
they beat Florida in Auburn, it looks different than if
they lose to Florida in Auburn. If they lose to Florida,
I mean, my view is if they lose to Florida
in Auburn and the only game they win for the
rest of the year is Murray State and they go

(19:46):
four and eight, which I don't think will be what happens,
but if it does, I don't think he'll want to
be here, to be honest with you. If they go
six and six, which I think might be the most
likely scenario at this point, then I don't know. I
think you're kind of in like a you're in a

(20:06):
weird situation. But I do think it's important to note
whatever happens at the end of the year will be
Mark Stoops's decision because of the nature of the contract.
Who's next.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
He almost left this past off season.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
He did, but he's not gonna have the opportunities he
had last season. Right like last season, A school like
A and M wanted him, you know, who knows. Everybody
has a different view of what happened that night, but
A and M clearly at some point wanted him, and
maybe wanted him till the very end. That's not gonna
happen again. Now, if Mark left, I do think he

(20:41):
could definitely get a job at a power school. But
he's not gonna get a school like A and M again,
especially if he doesn't have a good year, you know
what I mean. So I don't know, it won't be
like it was last year. But go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, and one of those ten win seasons is vacated.
Now we'll go to Casey.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
That is true, but I but that's vacated. I mean,
to be fair, not filling out your expense report. Damn it,
it's I'm still counting that. Go ahead, Casey, Casey, Yes,
go ahead.

Speaker 10 (21:18):
First time caller, who a long time listening. I was
just wondering. I understand about the buyout situations. There's just
why to talk on social media, you know about fire
and the stups.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, those people have to pay it, you know, it's
easy for people to say it if you don't have
to pay it.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
I'm on your team, best coach you've ever had. But
assuming we keep him, and assuming we get rid of him,
how can we take from coming from you? How can
we take the next step?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Kind of like it's very difficult, Like that's the problem,
And we talked about this after the South Carolina game.
The problem is, let's say this season finishes five and
seven or six and six. You are to use the
other callers terms stuck in neutral, and I don't know

(22:09):
exactly how you get out of it. You know, like
Dion Walker will be gone. I think there's a good
chance Barrying Brown and Dang, he'll be gone. Vander Griff's
probably back, but your offensive line is still a disaster.
You're gonna have to I mean, I think they have
five or six seniors on defense. Like you're gonna have
to rebuild your team and coming off a not so

(22:33):
great year in a New Nile world where you're competitive
but you're not at the top, it'll be very, very
difficult to be honest with you, and that is what
worries me. What worries me is like I don't know
what the next step is if this year doesn't go well,
and right now it's not really right.

Speaker 10 (22:55):
Yeah, that's what worries me too, But we gotta stay competitive,
do something.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, appreciate the call. I mean, that's the thing, Like,
none of this is getting any easier. I mean, right
now in the SEC, with the exception of Mississippi State,
nobody's bad. And even Mississippi State played Texas competitively today
Texas George excuse me, Georgia competitively. I mean they weren't
going to win, but so nobody's bad. And that's and

(23:25):
you know, Kentucky's schedule does not have like I don't
think they'll even play Vandy next year, and I and
and they, you know, I think, what what's next year's
schedule gonna be. It's gonna be like Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
You know, are you getting all the teams you didn't
play this year is up there?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Basically next year will get I think Tennessee, South Carolina
and all the teams you didn't play this year, I
think is how it is.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
So who's next, Ethan, Go ahead, Ethan.

Speaker 11 (23:58):
Hey, I just got a couple statements. I understand that
forty million is a lot of money, obviously not something
that's realistic. But I don't see how you can go
from fans actually wondering what that number is to dig
out of the hole because we just maybe had one
of Mark Stoop's best wins of his career, and yet

(24:20):
one week later, for one game later, we're still wondering,
you know, if that's even on the table. Obviously it's not.
I don't see how you dig out of that hole
after one of your biggest wins.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it's hard, and it's still it's hard. Yeah, and no,
it's I think that's a fair point. It is hard.
It's hard to see how you make that transition. Now.
At the same time, they could beat Florida and Auburn
beat Louisville, finished seven and five and kind of be
where they were last year, you know, so, but I

(24:51):
thought they were gonna finish seven and five or eight
and four, and I was counting Vandy as a win.
So now like, you can't. You gotta win next week
against Florida, you gotta beat Auburn here and you gotta
beat Louisville. And you know, all three of those games
are losable games, you know, right, And.

Speaker 11 (25:09):
That's the thing. It's like, if we get in the
same situation where we're coming up against Louisville, I mean,
potentially five wins going into Louisville.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
By the way, that's what I think. Is that happened.
Let me tell you what. This is just my prediction.
I think we're gonna lose next week. I think we're
gonna beat Auburn. I think we're gonna lose to Tennessee,
beat Murray, lose to Texas, and we're gonna have to
play Louisville to make a ball And I actually think
we'll beat Louisville, as crazy as that sounds, because this
team just hates Louisville so much, But that is a

(25:40):
tough situation to be it. It really is, right.

Speaker 11 (25:43):
And that's the thing. It's if we lose that game
in Louisville last year, I.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Mean, it's a different world.

Speaker 12 (25:49):
It's a different world.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
It is a different world if we I think, uh,
and I appreciate the call. I think an interesting alternate history, Billy,
is what does the world look like if we lose
to Louisville last year. So remember A and M was
in theory going to hire Stoops regardless, And it would
have been interesting to see if we lost to Louisville

(26:12):
and he took the job immediately, what would have happened?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I mean that that win saved the season in
hindsight for him. I mean, that was a top ten
road win, but it may have.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Saved the season and kept here at the A and
M job.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I mean, I don't know, it's it's hard to know.
It's it's a different world. A five nine, twenty two
eighty seven. We will take a break, come back, take
more of your calls. It's a Local Toy Dealers KSR
post game show. Walker back, it is the Local Toy
Dealers KSR postgame show. Uh not surprisingly, I get something wrong.
I'm told by multiple people, including Billy, that our schedule

(26:55):
next year is just this season with the home and
away flipped. So we will play all these same teams
just flipped. So we will at home play Old Miss
uh Tennessee, Florida and Texas, and we will go on
the road to Vandy, South Carolina, Georgia and uh who

(27:18):
am I missing here? Vandy, South Carolina, Georgia and Auburn,
which actually is a doable schedule if you have a
good team, because you get the good excuse me, you
get the good teams at the on the at home
and the bad teams on the road, with the exception
of Georgia, which means if you're good, you could take
advantage of them. But nobody's bad if you play like

(27:42):
we did tonight, where we could lose to any team
in the SEC, including at home to Vandy for the
second straight time.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Who's next, Travis?

Speaker 13 (27:51):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Travis? Go ahead?

Speaker 12 (27:52):
Travis Hey, Matt Hey, just a couple of things, man,
uh the tend the corp or then a half from
Simon and play calls, clock management. To give up the
touchdown is just unacceptable, man. You know, time and time again.
We see it every.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Game, every game, Okay, it's almost every game. They actually
handled it decently well against Old Miss and I complimented
him because it was rare that that happened.

Speaker 12 (28:20):
But going to our offensive line, man, I thought they
played a good game. There was a one or two
holding calls that was their fault.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
One or two. There were five, No, there were.

Speaker 12 (28:30):
Five but also you got Rock scrambling around in the
pocket holding onto that ball.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
He did, he doesn't agreed to save his life. He
does hold it too long. He doesn't hold it too long.
And I thought Jordan Rodgers did a good job. You
remember that one play he pointed out that the ball
was supposed to just go out to burry On quickly,
and he held it and then nobody's.

Speaker 12 (28:50):
Open, right, Yeah, he just runs the ball when he
doesn't need to, and when he needs to run the ball,
he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (28:58):
But another thing too, on stoops Man. Every time they
show Stoops on the on the TV man, he's sitting
there with his dumbfounded look on his face. He's not
talking to his team, he's not motivating them, he's not
giving them the brute, honest truth. And then the one
time they show him talking to a player, he's talking

(29:19):
to number thirty five on special teams.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Well, I did have two penalties a lecture.

Speaker 12 (29:25):
This was before the second the last penalty on the
Berry and Brown return at the end of the game
there and uh, he was lecturing them before and then
he goes out there and makes the same call. But
you know, it's just like, what do we need. Why
isn't Stoops in our huddle, you know, talking to these kids, man,
and boosting them on and giving.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Them doing that. I mean, just because you don't see
it on television doesn't mean he's not doing it. But
but I think your point about and I appreciate the call.
Your other points I think are valid. I think they're
completely valid. And uh, Brock, this was not a good
game for Brock. I mean, Oh, what's weird though, is
Brock actually makes some good throws. That throw to berry On,

(30:08):
what was a great catch by berry On. I mean
he put it in the only spot he could put it.
But man, he makes some bad I think when he
makes the right read, he makes a good throw, but
he makes some bad reads. He hones on the ball
too long. I think all that's very very fair. Five
nine twenty two eighty seven. Billy, They the refs did

(30:30):
screw us out of twenty five seconds, didn't they? There
at the end? I mean I didn't matter, I don't think,
but they did right so because they ran the clock
down from three minutes to whatever it was right two
thirty five.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I missed this part of the game, but I did
hear the fans booing when they continued.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
It could be wrong, but I think I think they
I think they messed up and ran the play clock
twice on a play and nobody. Maybe I'm wrong. I
didn't complain a lot in the moment because I actually
thought it helped us because it would make sure Old

(31:13):
Miss wouldn't get the ball back if we scored a touchdown.
But of course we didn't score touchdown, so it didn't matter.
Who's next?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Philip is next, Philip?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Go ahead, Philip, Hello, Matt, Thank you's taking my car?

Speaker 14 (31:25):
First time caller?

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Who I Matt?

Speaker 14 (31:29):
I have been a fan thirty two years and for
the first fifteen years of my life, we was able
to save up enough money to go to one football game,
and that was a Georgia game where Kentucky got beat
fifty six to six. And that I was becoming an
older man, been able to work and you know, get

(31:50):
season tickets for myself and for my son. It's hard
driving three hours to Lexington every Saturday to watch them
get beat over the same issue I worked in.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
The mines for.

Speaker 14 (32:01):
I worked in the mines for fifteen years, you know,
been injured, trying to provide for my son, give him
the life I didn't have, just to go and be
disappointed every Saturday by the Cats. No, and one thing
we love to do.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
We love to watch the catwalk. He loves he's got
this white Nike football.

Speaker 14 (32:20):
He loves getting autographs and for whatever reason, for four
weeks straight or four home games trade I'm sorry.

Speaker 15 (32:28):
We've tried to get.

Speaker 14 (32:29):
Rock Vandergriff, barry On Brown, dan Key, Anthony Brown Stevens
to sign his football and for whatever reason, they will not.
Is that part of like maybe they're Nio deals, is that, hey,
they can't sign for autographs.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I mean I don't First of all, no, I don't
think so. I don't know why they haven't. And I'm
sure and you know they I'm sure they would. I
don't know the scenario, so I can't really answer that.
Let me let me go to your first point for
a second, though. What I love about UK football turn
your radio down just behind you because I can hear
my voice in the background. What I love about UK

(33:06):
football is that guys like you go, meaning like you know,
basketball tickets not everybody can get them, and to buy
a season is very is a lot, but you save
up your money to go and I bet you. I mean,
I would think you really treasure those trips with your son, right.

Speaker 16 (33:26):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, And I understand, like I think oftentimes
people like people in athletics or whatever, they complain about
fan mindset sometimes, but.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
A guy like you, you know, you're you're looking forward to
this and you deserve, I think, to feel like what
you're watching is putting in as much into it as
you are. Is that kind of what you're saying. Yeah?

Speaker 14 (33:57):
Absolutely, And like one point too, is season football tickets.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
That's it for us?

Speaker 14 (34:03):
Season basketball tickets is not an option for the simple
fact well, obviously you know the price of them is
crazy at times, but logistically, for a blue collar worker
like me, it is not feasible for us to go
buy these season tickets, play all this money and might
be able to make it to thirty to forty percent
of the home games because we got to work nine

(34:24):
five dogs during.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
The wet That no, I get it, And that's what
I love about UK football games. It's what you're saying,
but it also makes it disappointing. I mean, you've been
We're two and ten in the last twelve sec home game,
so I appreciate you calling and sharing that because I
do think it's a perspective it often gets forgotten. Be
careful going home.

Speaker 14 (34:45):
Okay, thank you, Bat, I appreciate you taking my call.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Thank you. I think that's important to remember. There's a
lot of people that go to those football games that
are like that guy and that are listening right now
and their drives home, and you know, it's just important
for everybody involved, or remember who's next.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Noah, Noah, go ahead, Noah.

Speaker 13 (35:08):
Hey guys, how y'all doing good? All right, that's good.
I want to, you know, not to piggyback off the
last guy, but I gotta I got a story to
tell too. When I was seven years old, my dad,
uh he was the president of our youth football league,
and we finally had an open Saturday to go. And
it was back in twenty twelve. And the first and

(35:32):
up until last year, only game I.

Speaker 17 (35:33):
Went to was when Vanderbilt beat the breaks off of Kentucky.
I think it was forty to zero.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
That was your first game, Yeah, that was my game?

Speaker 17 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I was the saying we
lost to Western Kentucky too.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
That was a good year. It was, yeah, it was yeah.

Speaker 17 (35:52):
But I feel like tonight's loss, and really just this
season in general. It might be a lower point than
that for what our expectations are, right, because we've got
this roster that is just I mean compared to yours past.
This roster is Alabama compared to what we had back then,
and we just we can't seem to get anything done.

(36:12):
I feel like there's a a level of complacency that
we've reached that is just unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Well, there was a there was a sense of doom
for that game in particular, because we stunk and we
were like playing out in the string. Right. Yeah, I
will say this, like tonight, if Kentucky just plays disciplined
and plays the last two minutes of the first half better,

(36:40):
they win, and that that that's very frustrating. I actually
find that more frustrating than when the other team is
just better, you know, Like this game is more frustrating
because honestly, Vandy, outside of like Vanny didn't even really
play well in the second half. Pavia could barely walk,
and defense really couldn't stop us. We just stopped ourselves

(37:05):
for the most part. So I I kind of agree
with you in some ways, it's more frustrating that game
was more embarrassing the one you're talking about. But in
some ways I would agree with you. This is more frustrated.

Speaker 17 (37:18):
Yeah, and I feel like the clock management this year
is just I mean, obviously Stoops has not been, you know,
notorious for good clock management, but the clock management this
year has just been abysmal compared to years past. I mean,
we saw what happened.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I mean, yes, he's terrible at it. He's just terrible
at it. I mean, he's just terrible at it. I mean,
they're you know, and I appreciate the call. There are
things he's good at. I think he's put a good
defense on the field pretty much every single year he's
been here. I think they I think his team's pretty
much maximize their defensive ability almost every year, going back

(37:54):
to Matt House and Brad White and even before then,
the even when his teams were bad those first couple
of years, their defense, you know. But when it comes
to clock management, he is not good at it and
hasn't been good at it really since he's been here.
Who's next? What's up?

Speaker 12 (38:12):
Edward?

Speaker 15 (38:13):
Hey, Matt, how are you?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm good?

Speaker 13 (38:16):
Good?

Speaker 15 (38:17):
Yeah, So, just just driving home from the game. On
the way back to Louisville here, and I don't mean
to pile on the Stoops train like I don't. I
don't want to crap on the guy at all. I
mean he liked the Last Caller. My earliest memories are
kind of the transition away from uh from Joker and
that forty oero band. He lost two Stoops and he's
done some great things. I asked the question in The

(38:39):
Athletic this week in a mail bag article. I'm not
going to read the response, but pretty much what I
asked was, has Stoops taken Kentucky as far as it
can go? And do you first see him looking at
other opportunities after this?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Have they taken him as far as they can go? Okay? So,
do I think Kentucky can win a national time? No?
Do I think Kentucky can win an SEC title? Probably not.
Do I think Kentucky one out of every five years
could have a real shot at a playoff in the

(39:12):
new format? Yeah? What worries me is these last two
years have not been encouraging. You could make a strong
argument that these last two years have been some of
the best talent he's had. And we were seven and
five and we'll see what happens this year. So I

(39:33):
do think there's a worry that it's kind of stuck
in neutral. Do I think he'll pursue other options? I
have to tell you, me and you talking, I've kind
of thought, no matter what, that was gonna happen. And
that's not inside knowledge. Okay. I honestly have not talked

(39:53):
to Stoops this entire season. I really haven't talked to
him since I got back from Europe. I talked to
him once, So I I don't know what's in his mind,
but I've kind of just always thought in the same
way that last year, I kind of thought it was
gonna be Col's last year, even before they struggled. I've
kind of thought this was gonna be Stoops's last year,

(40:15):
just for no reason than just feeling. And I would
say to you nothing's happened to change that view, But
I can't say I know it's a guess.

Speaker 15 (40:28):
Yeah, no, no, sure, And I appreciate your insight. Like
I said, that kind of coincides with what the writer
in the Athletic wrote back to me in the article,
And like I said, you can you can find.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
It pretty easily.

Speaker 15 (40:38):
But yeah, I appreciate coach Stoops a lot. I think
he's elevated us and you know, we may be stalling
out now, but that's okay. I mean, all good stuff
has to come to an end. But to echo your point,
there's no reason every handful of years, especially when they
expand the playoff to sixteen, that we couldn't maybe claw.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Oh, I definitely, definitely. I mean, look, yeah we should.
And I appreciate the people sometimes online talk about expectations.
Matt Jones's expectation for UK football is you make a
Bowl almost every year, if not every year, like maybe
one in ten, you don't make it. You seven is

(41:18):
the base to be happy. You once every five years
have a shot at a playoff in the current format,
And I think if you look at Stoops's career, that's
kind of what it's been. Is exactly what I just said,
because I think the two years we won ten games,
if the playoff format existed, we would have either gotten

(41:39):
in or been one of the first two teams out.
But this year has not been like that, and I'm
worried this might be the first year he doesn't make
a Bowl since his second year or third year. He
if I'm nine two eighth, twenty two eighty seven. Let's
take a break. We'll do our final segment. This is
the Local Toy Dealers KSR Post Game Show looking back.

(42:00):
It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Postgame Show final
segment here on KSR. Thanks for standing up. I gotta
go to bed here in a minute, Billy, because I
gotta do the NFL show tomorrow. And I haven't even
looked to see who plays. Usually on Saturday night, I
try to see what's the big game? Yeah, Lines, Cowboys,

(42:23):
I guess. Now the point though, I can just say
something about all these teams. You know, I may not
know much, Like, just give me a team. I'll just
show you real quick. Just give me a team.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Okay, tell me about the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Oh, first, all that was easy. Dak Prescott. You know,
Dak Prescott. They got absolutely blown out at home twice,
but then bounce back the last couple of weeks and
get to win. This a big chance gets Detroit to
show that those fluke game games against the Saints at
home and the Ravens those were flukes, big time chance
for them to get a big victory to markets Detroit.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Hmm, that's right. I forgot you did all that dark
contract talk.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
I've done so much years, could talk about Dak in
my sleep.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Who's next, Tyler's.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I will dream tonight. I'm sure I'm your text name, Tyler.
Go ahead, Tyler.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
Hey, thanks man, Thanks Billy for having me on.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
I'm a New York Giants fan talking about football leading
in for Sunday. I'm a New York Giants fan too,
and a UK football.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Who do you all play tomorrow? Just to help me
get ready the Bengals. Oh, the big game for the Bengals.
Gotta win that one, must win seasons over.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
Well, I'm like I said, I'm a New York Giants
fan and a UK football fan, so I'm a glutton
for punishment flash.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (43:33):
But now you know, some of your earlier callers were
talking and I kind of have mixed feelings as well
about the legacy of stoops. Like you know, I took
my twelve year old son with me tonight and he
was at the game with me earlier in this season
with that South Carolina when we played them as well,
and you know, it's just one of those like the
South Carolina walls felt like an all systems failure, like

(43:54):
all the way around. This one didn't feel that way,
but it was probably more frustrating because you could just
see little things here or there that would have made
the difference in the game.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
At the time. I totally agree with that. The South
Carolina game, we got dominated. This was a game. I
don't want to say we beat ourselves because they played well,
but we should have won. I mean, if we just
do what we're supposed to do, we win. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
I just think at the end of the day, you
know that we allowed them to sustain drives. We did
shoot ourselves in the foot. But after twelve years, and
this is why I think the legacy of Stoops is
kind of complicated, and it's kind of you know, you
hate to always compare the things with col but that's
kind of what you know most recent, so you kind
of see what happened there. The same thing. Mark Stoops
is responsible for a lot of people's great memories for

(44:42):
UK football. You know, I've been a fan since you know,
Bill Curry was here and he sucked and so you know,
but Mark suits was, you know, has been responsible for
some great memories for UK football fans. But I think
going back to the pony up comments. Now you're kind
of like, do we need a pony up for Vandy.
I mean, it's just there's these there's these little things
that just add it up over the last couple of
years and at the end, at the end of the day,

(45:04):
over you know, if you do this time and time again,
it feels like the discipline it's not just a discipline
and undisciplined problem, it's a cultural problem.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
And yeah, I've often thought with Cal just because I
know you're right, it's it's just natural to do the difference.
I think Cal hit a lower low than Stoops has hit.
To be honest, Now, granted he got a higher high, right,
we won a national championship, but I also think we
got a lower low. I mean, for Kentucky basketball to
lose to Saint Peter's in Oakland is pretty terrible. But

(45:34):
I think in both situations there was a moment where
things changed. I think for Cal that moment was COVID, right,
Like I think if you go back and you look
post COVID, he was a different coach and team. I
do wonder if when it's all over, to be honest
with you, Tyler, we'll say pony up was that moment

(45:56):
for Stoops. I mean, I don't know if it will be,
but it does feel like things have been different since
he since that happened.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
I think that was just a reset moment for a
lot of fans because I think the expectations have been
so high and then to get that, get that statement,
and then not see those expectations and the attitude. I
think Stoops has instilled a gritty attitude with these guys,
but that attitude doesn't seem to be translating into success
on the field. Again, you can see all these undisciplined things.

(46:26):
The clock management stuff's still an issue. You know, if
you expect fans to step up, you've got to change
the way you do things in order to do it fair.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's tollly fair. I appreciate the call. And remember after
the pony up statement. That was the Monday after the
Georgia game, a game where if you remember, they had
gotten blown out, and then they lost at home to
Missouri the next game, and it really that was a
that was a big loss. We're at fourteen to nothing
in the fake pun, I mean that was that was
a big turning point game in a lot of ways.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
What's next, Matt's next, Matt, go ahead, Matt.

Speaker 18 (47:03):
Hey, Matt. The losing to Vanderbilt twice in a row
at home is absolutely unacceptable. But let me just read
you a couple of things here. First downs Kentucky twenty
three Van nineteen total yards three twenty two to two
eighty eight. We outrushed them. It's just penalties, twelve of

(47:23):
them for one hundred and five yards. It's unbelievable that
with a twelve year most tenured coach in the SEC,
we're having that many penalties and that many just costly mistakes.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I agree. That's why I say South Carolina we can
say we should have theoretically won, but we just got
completely whipped. So I should have won this game if
we had just done basic things. And that's really frustrating
to me. Yeah.

Speaker 18 (47:54):
Another thing I want to say is I'm not here
for any name King Slander. I know he had one
really bad penalty and he had a fumble where a
guy dove his helmet into the ball. But that kid,
for three straight weeks, three straight weeks, that kid has
caught every single thing.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
But both of those things can be true, right, So, Like,
I don't like when fans take a mentality that someone
is either great or they're terrible, and there's no middle ground.
Dane has been awesome these last three weeks. Awesome. Dane
cannot get that personal foul penalty. It costs us three points.

(48:34):
And I agree with you, that was a good play
the guy made. But you also can't fumble that both
those things can be true. You can say he's been
awesome and criticize him when it's not. My frustration over
the years has been this idea that everything has to
be they're awful or they're amazing. It can be both
and not. It can be in the middle. And Dane

(48:56):
has been awesome, but those those were huge mistakes he
made to.

Speaker 18 (48:59):
Not I think it's fair to be frustrated with those
couple plays. But again, that kid has called everything that's
come his way, and I think when you're coming down
the stretch and you need a score at the end
of the game, I'm throwing everything I can to number six.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I agree. I totally agree with that. I appreciate the call.
I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. Let's
do three more Billy, and then I'm gonna try to
go to sleep. Who's next?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
JR.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
JR. Go ahead, JR. Interception Colorado? Wow, look at this?
Are they gonna win this game? Oh? My goodness? Oh
he fell? Oh he fell? Wow? All right, go ahead JR.

Speaker 9 (49:40):
Hey man, I'm gonna try it out to be overly negative. Okay,
a little frustrated this evening.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Go for it.

Speaker 11 (49:48):
So so a couple questions and then just.

Speaker 9 (49:50):
Kind of one point. Really, the biggest thing is is
everything that we love about Soups does it feel like
it manifests itself in negative plays? Buyer? And do we
feel like Mark Soups might be the prime meridian of
college football?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Okay, I don't know what you you tell me what
you mean by the second one. I do think the
things that frustrated stuff about stoops do manifest itself in players.
I mean, like, how would you know everything a coach
does comes through their players? So yes, but what do
you mean by the prime meridian of football? I'm interested
in what that means?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
So I'm a Bengals fayan. And when we had Andy Dalton,
I remember reading an article several years ago and somebody
wrote him and basically put him as the eighteenth overall
quarterback in the NFL, and said.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
He was saying, like he's the median, okay, the prime marin. Yeah,
I mean I think he's above average because I think
to win here is hard.

Speaker 9 (50:51):
I mean, I get, how old are you, I'm thirty six.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Okay, we sound younger, that's good. Uh yeah, I mean
like we haven't won to here my entire life until Stoops.
So I think where you have to be on the
scale of coaches to win at Kentucky like he has
is above average, right. I think if you have an
average or below average coach here, they lose. So I

(51:19):
think he's above average. But is he, you know, top
fifteen or twenty. Probably not. I think when it comes
to recruiting, they're probably honestly top ten or top fifteen
when you consider what they do recruiting here. Uh but yeah,
I would put him above average because I just think
it's harder to win here than it meant at most
schools in America because of the conference, right, I appreciate,

(51:44):
I think, or go ahead, go ahead real quick?

Speaker 9 (51:47):
Oh yeah, I think that's That's the hardest thing is
Stups has always had an elite defense, and it always
feels like the common denominator has always come down to
quarterback play in the offense.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I appreciate the call when
we've had good we've had good quarterbacks. But as we've
talked about, look, we're in the SEC. I've got over
this many times. But no state in the SEC produces
less talent than us than Kentucky, and so to win
here is like even harder than it is in the
other SEC school because you don't even produce homegrown town.

(52:22):
And then when it comes to nil of the sixteen schools,
we're probably like twelve maybe eleventh in anile. So like
all of those things means if you can get a
top half of the SEC program here, you're really doing well.
But you shouldn't lose to Bandy twice and row at
home Let's do too. Colorado takes the lead. Gosh, we're

(52:43):
gonna have it. The Colorado hip train is gonna start
again in two more. Who's now? Hunter? Hunter? Go ahead? Hunter?

Speaker 19 (52:50):
Hey, how are you guys?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Tonight? Good?

Speaker 19 (52:54):
So I've been thinking, like ever since the game's over,
there's been a million different thoughts going through my head,
and honestly, like I usually like to look at these
games analytically, like what do we do wrong. Honestly came
down to two things. It came down to o line.
You know, they had the illegal formation problems with South
Carolina and then these holdings just killed us. And then

(53:16):
the other thing is stoops is stubbornness. I told my dad,
and I joke with him. I said, I are you
sure he's not from eastern Kentucky because of how stubborn
he is and how stuck in the ways he is.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
That's not that's that's an unfair slide to eastern Kentucky.
So okay, oh well if you okay, if you're from there,
then then you can stay. Uh. Yeah, he is stubborn.
It's interesting he's I think he he is stubborn and
stuck in his ways, but then he also will change stuff.

(53:49):
But the thing that he won't change is sometimes the
thing that's the most frustrating about him. Like I think
he's tried to be more flexible on offense, but like
he's still pretty stubborn and not being able to manage
the clock, you know, I mean, like, so you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
He is.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
He's definitely, he's definitely stubborn. I appreciate the call he's stubborn.
In a different way than Cal is like Cal was
stubborn too, but in a different way. But no, he's
he's certainly stubborn. But I don't think that's the issue
so much. I think the discipline and sort of the
clock management, to be honest with you, is the thing

(54:30):
that drives me the most because it's so easily fixable.
I mean, everyone on that staff, every single person knows
infinitely more about football than I do. But I do
think Billy I could manage the clock at the end
of the day.

Speaker 15 (54:45):
You can run.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Not the plays, but just what they do from a
time perspective, because it's just math, you know what I mean,
It's just math. It's not football. It's math. And they
just don't do the math. And any dork could do
the math, and they just don't do it. And it
drives me crazy. All right, last one, who's that?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Kendall?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Kendall? What's up? Kend Hey? Man?

Speaker 7 (55:12):
I guess what I was upset with the most is
I mean, I I just don't understand some of the
play calls.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I mean, what are we.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
Doing at the end here where they're just.

Speaker 13 (55:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (55:28):
I'm just really disappointed tonight.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Uh oh, what whoa, whoa, whoa whoa? Oh wait a minute,
watching to say you were ahead of me? I was like,
why is he going? Whoa? All right, I got you
Kansas State with a big drive. Go ahead, you were
ahead of you're ahead of me by a few seconds,
but go ahead.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
Yeah, anyway, I was disappointed in uh comments.

Speaker 13 (55:53):
Did you listen to him?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I did? I did, so, Like, all right, so I'm
glad you said that. Let's let's talk about Stoops's common So, uh,
Stoop said, I think you're talking about where He says, well,
what which ones bothered you the most? You're talking about
his comments with Tom Leech? Yes, yes, yes, absolutely so, yeah,
Stoops go. Tom says something to the effect of, it

(56:16):
was very frustrating out there.

Speaker 14 (56:18):
You know what did you I just lost by the way, Oh,
there's flagging her ahead.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I'm about to hang up on you. I appreciate the call.
You're ahead of me on the feet. I think you're
talking about. Tom says something like, hey, what did you
see out there? And he says something like, I don't
know right in that kind of what happened? Billy? What
what were the words? Because the words were odd?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
He's very frustrated we had to use the dump button
on him.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
And he well, you didn't dump him. I heard it.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Well, were you connected on the comments?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Oh so you did get those words? Yeah, okay, all right, gotcha,
I'll read you what he said. Stoop said. Stoops was
asked by Tom Lee, what's your assessment of what happened tonight?
And he said, I wish I knew. It's extremely frustrating.
I think what bothers people, at least online, was that

(57:10):
I wish I knew Billy. That actually doesn't bother me
as much because I think he's just being honest. I
don't think he knows why. I don't think he knows
why those guys make the errors they do. And I
don't know if that's good or bad. I just think
he's being honest. You know.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, he's probably withholding judgment till he can watch the tape,
and that's what a football coach should do.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
But it bother you that he said I wish I knew.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
No, I mean, I thought he was extremely honest, to
the point where I felt like he was blaming players
more than he normally does.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I think that's probably right. And then what you're talking
about is, So I guess what I heard is not
what went over the air.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Correct, Yeah, okay, because I think you tweeted it out.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I tweeted out exactly what he said. I thought it
went over the air. I didn't realize I was getting
the uncensored version he said. Believe me, I'm as frustrated
as any fan out there. It is complete bull blank.
I am as blanked off as anyone. But I know
it's on me. Billy and I actually got to hear
the actual words, but I guess you all didn't. I

(58:15):
was a little shocked at his words, Billy, like I've
never heard him cuss on the radio before.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, extremely frustrated, talked about the players not controlling their emotions.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
And yeah, well now I want to see the end
of this game, but you want to go home, so
I'll let you go home. Thank you all very much
for staying up. For those of you not home yet,
please be careful on your way. If you're listening on podcasts,
have a good rest of your weekend. Billy's also going
to put up the Patino interview on podcast, so if

(58:46):
you miss that, you can hear it. We'll be back
on Monday. A bad loss for stoops in Kentucky to
Vanderbilt twenty to thirteen Kentucky and Florida next week. We'll
see you later. This has been the local toy dealers
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