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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Co Saless Wight, just a.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Shadows Secrets Line, the America's grim anologist, Condy Sales of Laclosys,
Crime break In, Sage Brust.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And here's America's criminologist, doctor Kerry Myers.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Hello, my friends, Doctor Curry Myers here and welcome to
the show. Is a former state trooper, special agent, sheriff
of a major county. I'm here to give you the
real insight into criminal justice, public policy and crime. You
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we got a great guest today, and this is the
source of the riff. So George Washington is smiling from above.
At least in my opinion, fixing DC isn't just about
crime stats. It's about restoring America's front porch to the world.
The founders created Washington, d C. To be a nation's capital,
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not just another city, and certainly not a political playground
or local special interest. In fact, James Madison's Federalist Number
forty three made it clear the capital was to be
a federal enclave outside the control of anyone state, serving
the entire nation. Yes, all the people. It is the
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people's city. It's not a local city. The home rule experiment,
which occurred in nineteen seventy three, by the way, so
just recently in history, has blurred that purpose, leaving DC
a hybrid mess, neither fully autonomous or firmly under Congressional oversight.
Now for historical and constitutional contexts, and Article I, Section
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eight cous seventeen gives Congress exclusive legislative authority over DC.
In fact, in the Organic Act of eighteen a one
and the Consolidation Act in eighteen seventy one, it reaffirmed
Congress's power over Washington d C. In nineteen seventy three,
the Home Rule Act was a conditional grant of local authority. Conditional,
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but Congress can revoke it at any time. Every local
DC law is subject to federal view, Yet in practice
oversight has been inconsistent and often politically driven, and there
is a current problem that is going on with Home rule.
Washington d C. Has a six billion in general obligation debt,
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a violent crime rate two hundred and seven percent higher
than the national average, a property crime rate one hundred
and twenty five percent higher than the national average, and
juvenile crime two than two hundred and thirty five youth
arrests per year nearly double the national Rule eight spike
and homicides by offenders fifteen to twenty years old. In particular,
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nearly half of the district's land is now residential, which
is eroding Leon Font's vision, which is approved by President
George Washington. By the way of Grand Avenues, park civics buildings,
we traded Pierre Lanfont's grand avenues for condo towers and
carjackings and high density housing. Replacing green buffers around federal
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buildings increases risks in strains infrastructure, in politics and policing.
When the crime staffs were reported last year, the police
reported lower crime rates and everybody raised their arms in victory.
But wait. In May twenty twenty five, Metro Police Department
placed a Metro Police commander on paid leave following allegations
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of actually tampering with the crime data. The Fraternal Order
Police has publicly accused their own department command staff of
instructing off officers to reclassify felonies as lesser offenses, ostensibly
to make violent crime rates appear lower. They cite discrepancies
between internal reports and public reports. An MPD chief Pamela Smith,
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issued a statement stressing the department's commitment to having data
integrity and pledging internal review processes in the future. My friends,
DC isn't just a local jurisdiction. It's the America's front
porch to the world. Crime. Blight and bad planning, and
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the Cape Capital under undermined US prestige and security. The
city's decline in safety and symbolism is a national problem,
not a local inconvenience. Washington was meant to be the
nation's capital, not a cash strapped city with a crime problem.
It's time to restore full congressional control and align government
and constitutional intent. Home rule has become home ruin. Time
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to restore constitutional oversight. This includes government services such as
police and fire to stop high density housing in the
historic corps, incentivized civic cultural research, faith based institutions. It's
time to acquire managing civic lands, preserve security buffers, and
expand green spaces. It's time to use grants and partnerships
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to attract think tanks, academic centers, nonprofits to the core
faith bath organizations. The founders gave Congress the keys to
the capital. It's time to start driving again. And that's
my riff for the week. And that brings us to
our guests for today. John Nance is a retired FBI
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Supervisory Special Agent. He graduated from Regent University School of
Law and was therefore hired as a FBI Special Agent
with assignments to the Miami Field Office and subsequently to
the Washington Field Office, where he retired as a Supervisory
spece after twenty years of service. Prior to his FBI career,
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mister Nance was a deputy sheriff. So in total, mister
Nance has served in law enforcement community for over twenty
six years in the areas like counterintelligence, surveillance, dignitary protection,
criminal investigations, tactical operations. That's why I bring John on
whenever I'm on a show, because he's the go to
person and he's blunt and he's willing to tell you
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exactly what he thinks and that like that. John also
is a town hall columnist. He does commentary work for
Newsmax as well. You see him all over the place.
You see him in the news, and he's a friend
of mine and I'm privileged to have him on and
you can follow him an X at the John Nance.
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John always a pleasure, my friend. Good to have you
on the show.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Oh, likewise, thank you for having me my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
So you heard my riff. Where did I go wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Go wrong?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Anywhere? In fact, I thought you drew a really interesting
analogy when you described Washington, d c. As the nation's
front porch. And that really is that really is an
apt description because obviously, when we have visitors that come
to our country. Many of them come through our nation's capital,
certainly foreign dignitaries often, you know, they frequent our nation's capital.
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And you can't have it a crime. You know, well,
essentially you know a war zone where you have lawless individuals,
homeless individuals, people that are suffering from mental illness just
lying around on the capital steps. I've personally witnessed that,
where you've got homeless individuals just panhandling on the capital steps.
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Of course that was a few years back, but it
is It is a terrible precedent, you know it. It
is a It is a precedent setting a city and
to have it overrun by lawlessness is a tragedy. And
I think you've hit the nail right on the head.
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This has been a problem for quite some time. Metroped
has had issues for quite some time, and it all
stems from terrible leadership. Frankly, and DC suffers from the
same malady as most of our big cities do, like
New York, Chicago, Detroit. What's the common denominator there, Democrat
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leadership quote unquote, Democrat oversight and control. So I think
that the reason for some of this is because the
Democrat Party traditionally has confused viewed their constituency as basically
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or primarily minority classes. And I think that they think
if they go soft on crime, which which is a
very prevalent problem in minority communities, that they're going to
garner some type of loyalty or sympathy from from these communities,
when in fact they're doing all the wrong things and
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creating an environment that is very conducive to criminal activity
and is victimizing the constituents that they purport to protect.
So I think your I think your intro was spot on.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Oh, thank you very much. And you know, it's it's
frustrating because often the black community, in particular, if you
look at the NAACP, on many occasions they have been
against a mayor who's been soft on crime. They've come
out and said, our neighborhoods are crumbling and it's it's
the crime is it's out of control. And so the
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the black community has actually taken steps forward and said,
wait a minute. They did this in Oakland, they did
it in San Francisco. There's many areas where they've come
out and said we've had enough, we've got to do
something different. And I think what John, What kind of
drives me crazy? Is this Trump derangements syndrome that occurs
anything that the President comes up with automatically everybody's against.
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You hit the nail on the head when you said
it's been a problem for years. Number One, we should
have never given Washington DC home rule authority because that
opened the door to make it an individual city when
it was never intended. I mean, I'm talking about the
President Washington. Our first president is the one that recruited
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Pierre Leonfante. He's the one that said, designed something for me.
The president approved Lefont's design to make it a welcoming
place for everybody. And I think when you say that
dignitaries come in, it makes total sense. But when you
said it, I went, of course, imagine a dignitary, maybe
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even not your friend who's a dignitary, comes to our
country and they see squalor like it is. That says
something about the state of America and whether or not
we're strong, and whether or not we can be able
to defend ourselves when we have problems. And I think
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it says volumes for what we are without even just
by people looking and seeing. In your career in law enforcement,
it is important what things look like, right.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Oh, absolutely, Well, there's an entire theory of law enforcement.
I'm sure you're very familiar with it. It's called the
broken windows theory of law enforcement. And essentially what it
means is if you allow in your jurisdiction these small
things like you know, crack houses to start to spring
up with broken windows, that that sort of disorder tends
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to metastasize. And I don't know maybe what the social
mechanics are with regard to that, but in reality, you
can watch it happen, you can watch it spread throughout
a community. So where you have law enforcement that engages
with these smaller offenses, brown bag offenses, you know, drunken,
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disorderly conduct, this type of thing that sets a tone
that sends a message to individuals potential lawbreakers, that well,
if law enforcements concerned about these little things, how are
they going to react? How are they going to pursue
these these bigger crimes like assault and battery, armed robbery,
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or homicides. So it's a common sense theory and it
applies to Washington, d C. You know, when you go
to a restaurant and you go back into the bathroom,
and you're not really a satisfy with the cleanliness of
the bathroom. You start to wonder what's going on in
the parts of the restaurant that I can't see, if
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this is what I can see. So, if you have
dignitaries coming from adversarial countries and they see literally homeless
folks on the steps of the Capitol building or you know,
on our monuments, what are they going to assume? They're
going to assume that our republic is in disorder, and
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I think they would assume rightly. So these have far
reaching consequences. This isn't just a cosmetic problem. Obviously, We're
talking about people, criminals and indigence and all the rest
of it, real people with real lives. These aren't just
political issues. So I think Trump is doing exactly the
right thing. You know, it's going to be a thirty
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day at minimum, you know, at minimum experiment. He's going
to need congressional approval to go further. But I think
these are steps in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
And you know, I think Washington, d c. Is a
perfect place to have a police board that is appointed.
Police boards can work very effectively if they're done correctly.
And when I say a police board. I don't mean
a community board. I'm talking about a police board of
professionals that have different that is not all appointed by
you know, a mayor or one individual. It could be
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in a city, it could be not only the mayor,
he might have one, but it's also the governor of
the state or the attorney general of the state. There's
that way you have some diversification. Kensity, Missouri does that
in Kansas City, Missouri. The only thing that has saved
them from quite progressivism is the fact that a police
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board exists that actually does the oversight the Knsity, Missouri
Police Department. And I think Washington, d C. Would be
a perfect place to have this kind of police board
of professionals that can help guide the person. Of course,
you would still hire a police chief and all those
kinds of things in order for it to be successful.
But that you know, that's just my own opinion. But
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I love the fact that he's he is setting up
a committee to study this federal takeover and the things
that need to be done, and if it's done correctly,
I just hope it doesn't stop there. For me, this
is about going back to the original context of what Washington,
d C. Should be, and that it's supposed to be
a enclave of the people. It's not supposed to be
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an individual city. And I think that home rule just
has to go away. They got to say it was
an experiment. It was an experiment that didn't work. And
we're going to go back to what George Washington, our
first president, had visioned for it to be a city
on a shining hill and something that represents the best
of what America has to offer. So but you know
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those are just you know, our opinions. So hopefully somebody's
paying attention back there.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Well, you know, imagine that our founding fathers had the
right idea all along. I mean, go figure, right, you.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Know that's the reason it was done by providence. I
mean it's they just weren't men. They were guided providentially.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Oh, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
There's no way in the world the United States of
America ended up the way it is without God's preference
and providence. And and he had the ability to to
give them wisdom in the design of how this, how
this beautiful country works. And if we don't follow that wisdom,
then we end up with some of the things that
we have, mister producer, I want to go to cut three.
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We're going to talk about the Epstein case. You know,
unfortunately it kind of keeps rising. It's raising its ugly
head every once in a while, So I want to
get your perspective, mister producer. Can you play cut three please?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
The gals.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
A fondarity of.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
These is he working on what a gathering.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Of compatizer as a scename to talk about how to
respond to the Epstein situation.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
I don't know I could ask you that question. I
don't know of it, but I think here's the man, right.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I saw a reported today and it's completely fake news.
We're not needing to talk about the Epstein.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Situation, and I think the reporter reported it needs to
get better sources.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Look, the whole thing is a hoax. It's put out
by the Democrats because we've had the most successful six
months in the history of our country, and that's just
a way of trying to divert attention to something that's
total both.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I love that, man, I love that. Okay, we've both
been cops a long time, different levels of government. What's
your take on the on the situation with the Epstein
case and I'm not talking about the who the things
that occurred as much as where we're at now and
today in dealing with this particular case, because it's just
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not going away, right, I mean, it's still bubbling itself up.
So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Well, it's almost become a mean case, right, I mean,
it's it's just something that that social media wants to
grab onto and generate monetization with. I think that's primarily
what's going on with a lot of this desire to
keep the whole Epstein matter going. A lot of people
didn't realize and Cash Battel talked about this on his
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during his interview with Joe Rogan, that Epstein had tried
to kill himself I think two months before he was
ultimately successful. So it was watch say that again.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
He was on suside. He was on suicide watch in
the in the jail.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Correct, Yeah, because he had attempted to kill himself once before,
and many people don't realize that. It comes as a
shock to some folks. So frankly, Epstein was successful in
killing himself. Now, you don't have to hang yourself from
the ceiling in order to exphyxiate yourself. You can actually
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do it from the back of a chair. I mean,
I want to give people ideas, but it doesn't take
a lot of pressure to cut off the blood flow
from your carotid arteries into your brain, causing you to
lose consciousness and then you eventually suffocate. So it's entirely plausible,
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feasible cash betels that he's been in that I don't think.
I don't know if he said he was in that
facility or facilities just like it, and he could see
how that could occur. I mean, I've been in I've
been in county level facilities where that's you know, it's
it happens. Unfortunately it happens. But in terms of the
case itself, I mean we're talking about a twenty year
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old case. Frankly, if Trump had had anything to do
with Epstein in terms of criminal activity, you don't think
the Democrats would have dug that up long ago.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Oh yeah, it would have been there when he was
running the first time, no, right question, Yeah, and I agree.
I mean, sometimes we conspiracies take off when a lot
of times in law enforcement, you look at the facts,
and the facts usually dictator the laws of probability to
usually dictate what's going on. You know, I was a
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former sheriff, had an average daily population of a thousand
inmates a day at my facility as an agent. As
a KBI agent, one of our things we had to
do is investigate custody death and custody cases which included
inmates if they died, police shootings, those kinds of things.
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And I must say that that law enforcement sheriff's offices.
In this case, it was a city facility. But there's
different ways to segregate inmates. One of it's medical segregation
because somebody may have a medical issue. One is administrative segregation.
One may be based because they're angry and have they
need to be placed in segregation because they could harm others.
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The admin segregation often is because the suicide in their
standard practice best practices that are done when you put
somebody on suicide watch and under administrative segregation, and that
includes bed checks, cell checks probably every twenty minutes at
the least. And then you have oversight with cameras and
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this goes back to you mentioned broken window theory crime
where a lot of jails you know, unfortunately are not
well taken care of. Their cameras are suspect, they don't work,
they're not fixed, maybe because they have bad budgets or
whatever it may be. And the things that usually occur
is because of a technology issue or a failure of
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the people who are have are supposed to be there
doing their job. And I attribute it to people not
doing their job like they're supposed to do and camera
systems not being replaced, which is people not doing their job,
because there's people that need to be able to do
those things. And you know that's that's the underlying issue
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those If you want to base something on the probability
of why these things occur, sometimes it's as simple as that.
What say you.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Yeah, Well, my general rule of thumb when it comes
to evaluating government actions is usually if something is suspect,
I usually assume either in competence or apathy before conspiracy,
so generally speaking, and you've kind of touched on those
points a little bit. You know, the fact that a
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camera wasn't working is not surprising. I don't draw some
nefarious conclude usion from that. This This happens, unfortunately, and
and it's something for the penal system to reevaluate, to
take more seriously. But you know, often these are matters
that are governed by local, local governments, local interests, and
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you know, whether budgets are appropriate or not rely heavily
on what those local interests are. But uh, you know,
in terms of the case as a whole, Uh, there
just isn't any there there.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
The FBI director has stated that over and over again.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Dan Bongino has stated that he's not in the position
to speculate anymore. He's bound by what he sees in
the case file. And what is in the case file
does not indicate some you know, broad reaching conspiracy involving
the Macade and you know the Rothschilds or whatever other
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crazy can conspiracy theory that you that you might like
to entertain.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah, you know, a fantom coming in and you know
strangling and you know the guide to that you know
got got in there. It's just that, you know, suicides
in jails happen in some areas. They happen much more
than what they should. This is a funding issue, This
is a manpower issue, this is a training issue. And
if we did a better job and followed best practices,
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we wouldn't have these issues. But human nature is human nature.
What it is, you know, it happens to be. This
is the way it is. And every every jail suicide
I ever investigated, it was the same issue. It was
a result of neglect or somebody not doing their job,
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not doing their bed checks, and a camera system that
wasn't working and the person having something accessible to them
to hang themselves, right, which was the case here. So
what I'd like to do is it would you be
willing to come back for our next segment?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Sure, very good.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So when we get back, we're going to get John's
perspective on the current FBI, some of the things that
are going on there, increasing assaults on law enforcement, and
a little bit about mortgage fraud and some interesting cases
that are happening there. Stay tuned.
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We're back with John Nance, retired FBI supervisory special Agent,
town Hall Newsmax columnists. He's all over the place, does
a great job and I appris John again, I appreciate
you being on the show.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Well, thank you very much for having me. Always a
pleasure to chat with you.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
So, the former acting director of the FBI and several
agents have been fired. They say without warning. It appears
to be without warning. So I'm confused because if memory serves,
I believe just recently, especially the acting director director actually
was given kind of the okay sign from the director
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of the of the KB the FBI and the assistant director.
So I'm just can you you have inside information because
you are in a great agency, one that I highly respect.
And what I love about FBI and retired FBI agents
is that they're they're talking. They talk to each other,
agree and disagree on things. But they have an open
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forum on the way things should be and what could
what could be done different And it's again it's based
on a view of honesty and kind of saying what
it is. So can you kind of explain what the
heck is going on?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Four individuals recently, well last week were dismissed. One agent
his last name is Myers. The other agent I'm not
as familiar with those two. The individual whose last name
is Myers was a G five to fifty pilot and
supposedly was the case agent handling the mar A Lago
(31:32):
search the mar A Lago raid. But the two I'm
very much more familiar with would be Steve Jensen, who
was the Assistant Director in charge of Washington Field Office
or the a Dick of WFO, and Brian Driscoll, who
most notably served as the acting director prior to cash
(31:53):
Pttel's confirmation. So both of those two individuals were summarily
dismissed without without explanation. Now, Steve Jensen may be familiar,
might be a familiar name to some of your listeners,
because he has been thoroughly maligned with regard to his work.
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On the January sixth investigation. So a lot of this
begins with testimony from a former FBI employee, actually a
supervisory analyst. I believe his name's George Hill. He testified
before Congress and said that he participated in a big call,
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it's called a Civets call, where thousands of people literally
were part of this call. And he alleges that Steve
and Jensen said, essentially in response to some questions from
Richmond about how should we handle this J six stuff.
He was reportedly Hill said that he stated, I don't
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give a gd about these J six people. We need
to go after them. And some of that I'm paraphrasing
a little bit. Stephen Jensen denied that categorically. Cash Pttel
and Dan Bongino both gave their wholehearted endorsements to Steve
Jensen when he was appointed by Patel to run the
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Washington Field office for some very case specific reasons. Now,
I've had people come out of the woodwork, people that
I know that have vouched for Jensen, that have said
unequivocally that they have never heard Jensen use foul language
in the entire time that they have worked with him.
Not one person has come forward to coroborate Hill's story.
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So Stephen Jensen is a good guy, a Christian man
with ten kids, the kind of guy who when he
was transferred to Quantico as a result of him pushing
back on some j sixth overreach. He's the kind of
guy that's starting Bible studies now. Brian Drisco, highly decorated
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hr team member, ran HRT for a period of time
again served as the acting director. One of the things
that he's criticized for, which actually is is a very
meritorious reaction to some tremendous political pressure. He refused to
release the names to the public of all the FBI
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agents who were working any part of the January sixth investigation.
You had a lot of folks that were working. Should
should yes, which he should have done, that which he
rightly pushed back on, and he gave the administration the option, Look,
I'll give you the EI N numbers, so we can
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you can identify who you want to identify, but we're
not going to subject people who are working in good faith.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
To the mob.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
For these So this stuff has been bubbling up on
social media. Have a group of disaffected FBI employees, self
styled whistleblowers who have been maligning these people, have been
undermining Cash Battel, attacking the mission of the FBI to
this day, and some of this has come to the
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attention of some people in the Trump administration. So the
firings have come from the White House. This is not
an FBI at least for Jensen and for Driscoll. Those
were those did not come from Cash Battel. I can
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tell you that unequivocally that those did not come from
cash Battel. In fact, their support of Jensen and of
Driscoll has yet to be rescinded, and you're not going
to see it rescinded. In fact, I just wrote a
town Hall column regarding this subject, which we'll post tomorrow,
and both Jensen and Driscoll have agreed to talk to
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me on the record. So there'll be a two part
column where Jensen and Driscoll will get to tell their
side of the story.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Oh that's gonna be good stuff. So I can't can't
wait to read. Is it is it a a video
or is it just written?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
No, it'll just be written just at town hall dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Okay, we're going to move to some recently reported aggravated
assaults on law enforcement that it kind of made the
news recently. I wanted to get your opinion on that,
and we're going to do a radio in just a second.
But in twenty twenty one, there were forty three thousand
officers and some change that were victims of aggravated assault.
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In twenty twenty three, it rose to seventy nine thousand,
and in twenty twenty four more than eighty five thousand officers.
It's a new record high that's occurring. Mister producer, please
play cut.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
Five multiple gunshots to stage Offines Team Pleice say sixty
one year old Carmen Feino opened fire on two Pennsylvania
State troopers Thursday morning as they were responding to a
call about gunshots in northeast Pennsylvania.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
The troopers made it out of their vehicle and they
were ambushed from a very good distance away.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
It began when police say Fino shot and killed his neighbor,
who he didn't know. Fifty seven year old Lori Wasco
in her Drivewaysco's boyfriend was inside their home and called
police when the troopers approached Wasco's home. Police said the
suspect shot several rounds hitting Trooper Joseph Parnchinsky twice in
the Torso area and Trooper William Jenkins.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Sure, thank you, Okay. It's incredible to see the number
of aggravated assaults. I mean, we have been actually very
blessed because if you look at the officer deaths, we're down.
Last year we had about one hundred and I think
seventy nine officers killed in the line of duty that
includes all reasons. So far this year, I think we're
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at fifty four or fifty five where we're at. So
that's a reduction because we're past half the year, so
God willing, that's not going to change. But the aggravated
assaults have just skyrocket considerably. I have big concerns because
when you live in a world where you no longer
respect the police, and it's fomented in many ways by politicians.
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And when I say that, we have areas in this
country where people say, you want to protest everybody, or
you want to you actually want to fight law enforcement,
or there's no discipline anymore to or lack of respective authority,
and it's and it's ending up having a drastic impact
on our culture. And so I'm really concerned about the
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future when it comes to law enforcement officers and what
they're willing to put up with, because that we already
have diminished ranks. This kind of things even hurts it more.
Do you have any thoughts on those.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Well, I think this is a product of the the
the defund culture, right, It's it's the anti law enforcement culture,
and it's it has social Marxist roots, because the social
Marxists are always agitating. They always need to pit two
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classes against each other in order to derive their political power.
So you have this this model of the oppressed and
the oppressor. Right, So the oppressed or whoever is can
is politically expedient, and the same applies to the oppressor.
So the oppressed can be my minority group, the oppressed
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can be identified by sexual orientation, however you want to
work that permutation. And then the oppressor, typically in this country,
tends to be, at least as it's characterized from the left,
law enforcement. So when you're constantly messaging that law enforcement's
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the bad guy, that law enforcement is racist, that law
enforcement is out in the community murdering people, then you
shouldn't be surprised if you have disturbed individuals or criminally
disposed individuals who take that as a signal to act
out violently against law enforcement. And then if you have
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policies like restorative justice models, no cash bail, all these things,
that sends signals out to society that law enforcement is
not to be respected. And all these things have consequences,
They have deadly consequences. Politics matter, and people don't don't
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pay enough attention to that. So when you have political leaders,
you know, that are championing causes like BLM or Antifa,
which are you know, fundamentally social Marxists organizations, that that
results in the in the kind of aggravated assaults that
we're seeing on law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because politics does matter.
You talk to some people and as soon as you
say politics, god, I'm not into that. I don't do that. Well.
Criminal justice public policy or government public policy is about politics,
because the politics is forming the public policy that you're
going to have, if it's in the criminal justice system
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or if it's the defense or whatever it may be.
Politics plays a role and we have to be educated
on what politics does and what the thought process of
it is. Law enforcement, in many ways, it's not rocket science,
but it can be hurt significantly if we don't support
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good criminal justice public policy that is based on number
one tradition, judaeo values of forgiveness. That's what we base
things on. We do give people chances, but it's based
on focused deterrence. And when focused deterrence happens, that means
somebody gets arrested and they are given the opportunity to
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fix their transgressions or not fix those transgressions. If they
fix them, then that the public and American value say,
good for you. You can do whatever you want to do.
If you can't fix those things, that's going to end
up being either serving in jail or prison. It could
be mandatory drug treatment programs, it could be mandatory mental
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health treatment programs, whatever they may be. And those treatment
programs are faith centered. You know, if somebody you could
have drug courts, you could have veterans courts. There's so
many courts that I support that we could have to
have these kinds of things. Public policy matters, John, and
it's important for people to understand it right.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Absolutely. I think most people don't get what the primary
motivation for most law enforcement officers is, and that's the
motivation to help people, and the reason why a law
enforcement officer carries a gun, it is to enable that individual,
if necessary, to go to the furthest extent, to protect
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the innocent, to protect those who can't protect themselves. The
reason why the badge is worn on the left side
is because traditionally that's where the shield would be carried,
like you know, by a medieval right shining armors, so
to speak. So the motivation for the vast majority, of
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course there are rotten apples in every barrel, but the
vast majority, the motivation is to help people in their community,
make sure people are safe.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
And the.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Cops are are not the bad guys. I mean, you
look back into you know, the thirties and forties, you
know what would parents do They take their kids up
to meet the local beat cop. Right, And I don't
know if you've probably seen this as well in more
recent times, and is used to really anger me, is
when parents would bring their kids around law enforcement and
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point at the law enforcement officer and say, you better
watch out. If you're bad, he's going to take you
to jail. Well, what's that teaching that kid? You know
what if that kid gets lost, do you think he's
going to approach a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Probably not so you said that if they said it
in a restaurant. Especially when I was a state trooper
because I wore a uniform. When I was a state trooper,
I didn't so much as an agent, but I would
always go out of my way to make sure and
go up and get on a knee and talk to
that child and say I'm here for you. You know.
I never let that go unabated, if you will, so
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I would make sure and engage. But it's the best
police officers are ones that want to serve something greater
than themselves. And I agree with you, the vast highest
percentage of police officers do that. That's the reason they
get into that mission. I want to switch on to
something else, which is it's actually a growing trend. It's
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called mortgage fraud, and it's it's not just for shady flippers.
All we're seeing. I think mortgage fraud is increased seven
to eight percent almost year after year and more. You know,
you have AI and so many other things that can
be done to manipulate that. But now we have insider
access to lenders and development, we have leverage, we have
people that can leverage influence. We have people that can
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take complex finances and hide them, hide their income, hide
their debts. There's kickback pipelines that can occur, all these
kind of schemes that can occur, and politicians. We're seeing
more and more politicians succumbing. This isn't the first time.
There's been a lot of times where politicians have done
mortgage fraud and they think the rules are for the
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other people. The bottom line is, mortgage fraud is climbing
the United States, and the political class is not immune
to it. They're actually part of the problem in many ways.
Mister producer, can you play cuts six please? Or in
your developer or Southern Development, how's the family board live
in a one bedroom part?
Speaker 8 (46:42):
Now it looks like Adam Schiff really did a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
That they have them. Now, let's see what happens.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
It's not up to me.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
It's not up to I stay out of it purposely.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
But it's mortgage loan fraud.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
He defrauded banks and insurance companies in the federal government.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
But it's very simple.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
It's mortgage loan fraud. And you're right, it's a lot
of people to live in a one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Right, but he put it down.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
But he has a lot of other things far worse
than that.
Speaker 8 (47:13):
So no Adam Shift.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
They have him one hundred on mortgage fraud now if
it's anybody.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Else so, and it's Adam Shift now has been accused
of this and some pretty serious allegations here. Naturally, everybody's
innocent until proven guiltry, but there's some pretty serious allegations.
And the other one is Letitia James, the Attorney General
of New York, has some very serious issues that are
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all as a matter of fact, the evidence has been
public a lot of it because it's happened over time.
What are your thoughts there are are we running into
any problems with time or you know, it's been too
long for these things to occur. What are your thoughts
on some of these cases that are popping up with
respect to mortgage fraud by politicians.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Well, financial crimes are certainly kind of outside my wheelhouse.
But in terms of statute of limitations, I mean that
tends to be five years. I don't know precisely how
that runs for some of these financial crimes. I know
that if you have events that continue on beyond the
initial crime that that tolls the statute of limitations. So
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there's probably some of that that's going on. I know
that's the case with regard to the Russia Gate stuff,
the leaking of classified information, that kind of stuff that
shift is also involved in. I think this does also
relate to the insider trading that occurs constantly, frankly on
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both sides of the aisle. Marjorie Taylor Green, you know
you can follow these accounts on X like, uh, the
Pelosi stock tracker. I mean you literally can contrack's doing
and she's she's doing better than some of the best,
you know, minds on Wall Street. So that kind of
begs the question, Uh, you know, I don't think there
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really is a question. I think people know that that
kind of activity is happening up on Capitol Hills. So
you know, to go from that to mortgage fraud, you know,
that's that's not maybe much of a big leap if
you feel like you're entitled and you're above the law.
So I think that gifts you know, bigger, bigger problem.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
And I think you're right if to me mortgage fraud,
if it's if you haven't sold the property it's ongoing
if you're living in that residence. And although there's no
statute limitations, because I would think I'm not an attorney,
you're you're the attorney, but I'm not one. But whenever
I did financial investigations, if the crime was continuing, you know,
it wasn't just when it started or you know, when
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it was discovered. Because some of these cases, I mean, James,
this has been an accusation for maybe even over a
year or two years. Now it just as they finally
are showing some of the evidence. I have another one
that I want to talk to you about if you
have the time. We only got a few more minutes
in the show. I managed to have you for the
whole show. Now see how popular on John you just
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double so. Mayor Karen Bass last Wednesday criticized the Trump
administration's ongoing and immigration enforcement actions, claiming that ice raids
are negatively affecting Los Angeles economy. She was speaking to
local media about it. She said the enforcement operations have
resulted in significant dropping customers. Mister producer, can you play
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cut seven please?
Speaker 1 (50:47):
The past several.
Speaker 12 (50:48):
Weeks, we've seen the chaos and cruelty of immigration raids
in the city. We have seen how they have impacted families.
I am frankly worried about those families and if they're
still hanging together, especially economically and talking to families that
have impacted when one bread winner, one wage earner is
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gone and disappears to survive in our city economically, you
need two, three and four wage earners.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
To keep housing.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
To man, this is almost classic political misdirection as far
as I'm concerned, Any thoughts on how you are Los
Angeles is crazy. I mean, I can't believe how crazy
it's become. Thank goodness, they have a really good DA now,
so that's the one saving grace that LA is having.
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What where how do we even get to this? How
does the mayor even have the cajones? I guess she
doesn't have those. But you know, how can you be
this way and divert this misdirection so much?
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Well, I think it's ironic that she points to the
essentially unaffordable UH prices price of housing UH in in
in California and in that particular area, and that is
directly due to Democrat policies. UH the you know, the
the green new steel type policies that have made that
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have made real estate prices uh so unaffordable. I mean
they have marked off so much land and and designated
it as uh, you know as state parks or or
or whatever they may be, or or you know, areas
where you you cannot build single family dwellings because you know,
a particular turtle might be inconvenience or whatever.
Speaker 11 (52:45):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
These are Democrat policies that have created this this type
of problem. And frankly, ICE is not going after you know,
ICE is going after these violent cartel members, uh, these
violent criminals first. And Trump I think has made it
very clear that in terms of people that are here illegally,
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that there will be a process for individuals who have
been here for quite some time and have been you know,
productive members of our society, I suppose, other than the
fact that they're not paying taxes. But you know, the
the the ICE operations are not targeting families that are
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just here quietly trying to earn a living and educate
their children. So it is a it's a it's a
red herring that's often banded about by the left.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Yeah, they're targeting criminals, and they're targeting people who are
associated with criminals. So if you happen to be a
legal alien that maybe hasn't violated the law, But if
you're hanging out with that person, you know, as my
dad used to say, curry, you are what you eat.
And he wasn't just talking about the food that I
put in my mouth. He was talking about the you know,
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the people that I hang around. So I appreciate that
clarification because we're seeing this constant rebuttal, especially from the
California or Gavin Newsom's you know you know is always
kind of claiming the same thing. John, thanks for having
for coming on the show. How can people follow you
and keep up with your work?
Speaker 5 (54:27):
All right? Regularly at townhall dot com So I have
a column there, and if you want to follow me
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Speaker 4 (54:46):
And friends, I highly recommend that you follow John Sage advice.
A lot of wisdom there and it's always a pleasure
to have him on the show, and hopefully he'll come
back and join me one of these few days before
we leave. I want to make sure and have a
quick tribute. We've had fifty four loft law enforcement officers
killed in the line of duty this year. This month,
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Sergeant Caleb Ellsworth of the Baton Rouge Police Department in
Louisiana all lost their lives serving the people of this country.
Saint Michael, the Archangel, watch over these brave officers. This
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we got a great guest today, and this is the
source of the riff. So George Washington is smiling from above.
At least in my opinion, fixing DC isn't just about
crime stats. It's about restoring America's front porch to the world.
The founders created Washington, d C. To be a nation's capital,
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not just another city, and certainly not a political playground
or local special interest. In fact, James Madison's Federalist Number
forty three made it clear the capital was to be
a federal enclave outside the control of anyone state, serving
the entire nation. Yes, all the people. It is the
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people's city. It's not a local city. The home rule experiment,
which occurred in nineteen seventy three, by the way, so
just recently in history, has blurred that purpose, leaving DC
a hybrid mess, neither fully autonomous or firmly under Congressional oversight.
Now for historical and constitutional contexts, and Article I, Section
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eight cous seventeen gives Congress exclusive legislative authority over DC.
In fact, in the Organic Act of eighteen a one
and the Consolidation Act in eighteen seventy one, it reaffirmed
Congress's power over Washington d C. In nineteen seventy three,
the Home Rule Act was a conditional grant of local authority. Conditional,
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but Congress can revoke it at any time. Every local
DC law is subject to federal view, Yet in practice
oversight has been inconsistent and often politically driven, and there
is a current problem that is going on with Home rule.
Washington d C. Has a six billion in general obligation debt,
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a violent crime rate two hundred and seven percent higher
than the national average, a property crime rate one hundred
and twenty five percent higher than the national average, and
juvenile crime two than two hundred and thirty five youth
arrests per year nearly double the national Rule eight spike
and homicides by offenders fifteen to twenty years old. In particular,
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nearly half of the district's land is now residential, which
is eroding Leon Font's vision, which is approved by President
George Washington. By the way of Grand Avenues, park civics buildings,
we traded Pierre Lanfont's grand avenues for condo towers and
carjackings and high density housing. Replacing green buffers around federal
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buildings increases risks in strains infrastructure, in politics and policing.
When the crime staffs were reported last year, the police
reported lower crime rates and everybody raised their arms in victory.
But wait. In May twenty twenty five, Metro Police Department
placed a Metro Police commander on paid leave following allegations
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of actually tampering with the crime data. The Fraternal Order
Police has publicly accused their own department command staff of
instructing off officers to reclassify felonies as lesser offenses, ostensibly
to make violent crime rates appear lower. They cite discrepancies
between internal reports and public reports. An MPD chief Pamela Smith,
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issued a statement stressing the department's commitment to having data
integrity and pledging internal review processes in the future. My friends,
DC isn't just a local jurisdiction. It's the America's front
porch to the world. Crime. Blight and bad planning, and
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the Cape Capital under undermined US prestige and security. The
city's decline in safety and symbolism is a national problem,
not a local inconvenience. Washington was meant to be the
nation's capital, not a cash strapped city with a crime problem.
It's time to restore full congressional control and align government
and constitutional intent. Home rule has become home ruin. Time
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to restore constitutional oversight. This includes government services such as
police and fire to stop high density housing in the
historic corps, incentivized civic cultural research, faith based institutions. It's
time to acquire managing civic lands, preserve security buffers, and
expand green spaces. It's time to use grants and partnerships
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to attract think tanks, academic centers, nonprofits to the core
faith bath organizations. The founders gave Congress the keys to
the capital. It's time to start driving again. And that's
my riff for the week. And that brings us to
our guests for today. John Nance is a retired FBI
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Supervisory Special Agent. He graduated from Regent University School of
Law and was therefore hired as a FBI Special Agent
with assignments to the Miami Field Office and subsequently to
the Washington Field Office, where he retired as a Supervisory
spece after twenty years of service. Prior to his FBI career,
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mister Nance was a deputy sheriff. So in total, mister
Nance has served in law enforcement community for over twenty
six years in the areas like counterintelligence, surveillance, dignitary protection,
criminal investigations, tactical operations. That's why I bring John on
whenever I'm on a show, because he's the go to
person and he's blunt and he's willing to tell you
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exactly what he thinks and that like that. John also
is a town hall columnist. He does commentary work for
Newsmax as well. You see him all over the place.
You see him in the news, and he's a friend
of mine and I'm privileged to have him on and
you can follow him an X at the John Nance.
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John always a pleasure, my friend. Good to have you
on the show.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Oh, likewise, thank you for having me my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
So you heard my riff. Where did I go wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Go wrong?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Anywhere? In fact, I thought you drew a really interesting
analogy when you described Washington, d c. As the nation's
front porch. And that really is that really is an
apt description because obviously, when we have visitors that come
to our country. Many of them come through our nation's capital,
certainly foreign dignitaries often, you know, they frequent our nation's capital.
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And you can't have it a crime. You know, well,
essentially you know a war zone where you have lawless individuals,
homeless individuals, people that are suffering from mental illness just
lying around on the capital steps. I've personally witnessed that,
where you've got homeless individuals just panhandling on the capital steps.
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Of course that was a few years back, but it
is It is a terrible precedent, you know it. It
is a It is a precedent setting a city and
to have it overrun by lawlessness is a tragedy. And
I think you've hit the nail right on the head.
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This has been a problem for quite some time. Metroped
has had issues for quite some time, and it all
stems from terrible leadership. Frankly, and DC suffers from the
same malady as most of our big cities do, like
New York, Chicago, Detroit. What's the common denominator there, Democrat
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leadership quote unquote, Democrat oversight and control. So I think
that the reason for some of this is because the
Democrat Party traditionally has confused viewed their constituency as basically
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or primarily minority classes. And I think that they think
if they go soft on crime, which which is a
very prevalent problem in minority communities, that they're going to
garner some type of loyalty or sympathy from from these communities,
when in fact they're doing all the wrong things and
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creating an environment that is very conducive to criminal activity
and is victimizing the constituents that they purport to protect.
So I think your I think your intro was spot on.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Oh, thank you very much. And you know, it's it's
frustrating because often the black community, in particular, if you
look at the NAACP, on many occasions they have been
against a mayor who's been soft on crime. They've come
out and said, our neighborhoods are crumbling and it's it's
the crime is it's out of control. And so the
(10:55):
the black community has actually taken steps forward and said,
wait a minute. They did this in Oakland, they did
it in San Francisco. There's many areas where they've come
out and said we've had enough, we've got to do
something different. And I think what John, What kind of
drives me crazy? Is this Trump derangements syndrome that occurs
anything that the President comes up with automatically everybody's against.
(11:19):
You hit the nail on the head when you said
it's been a problem for years. Number One, we should
have never given Washington DC home rule authority because that
opened the door to make it an individual city when
it was never intended. I mean, I'm talking about the
President Washington. Our first president is the one that recruited
(11:40):
Pierre Leonfante. He's the one that said, designed something for me.
The president approved Lefont's design to make it a welcoming
place for everybody. And I think when you say that
dignitaries come in, it makes total sense. But when you
said it, I went, of course, imagine a dignitary, maybe
(12:03):
even not your friend who's a dignitary, comes to our
country and they see squalor like it is. That says
something about the state of America and whether or not
we're strong, and whether or not we can be able
to defend ourselves when we have problems. And I think
(12:26):
it says volumes for what we are without even just
by people looking and seeing. In your career in law enforcement,
it is important what things look like, right.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Oh, absolutely, Well, there's an entire theory of law enforcement.
I'm sure you're very familiar with it. It's called the
broken windows theory of law enforcement. And essentially what it
means is if you allow in your jurisdiction these small
things like you know, crack houses to start to spring
up with broken windows, that that sort of disorder tends
(13:02):
to metastasize. And I don't know maybe what the social
mechanics are with regard to that, but in reality, you
can watch it happen, you can watch it spread throughout
a community. So where you have law enforcement that engages
with these smaller offenses, brown bag offenses, you know, drunken,
(13:24):
disorderly conduct, this type of thing that sets a tone
that sends a message to individuals potential lawbreakers, that well,
if law enforcements concerned about these little things, how are
they going to react? How are they going to pursue
these these bigger crimes like assault and battery, armed robbery,
(13:46):
or homicides. So it's a common sense theory and it
applies to Washington, d C. You know, when you go
to a restaurant and you go back into the bathroom,
and you're not really a satisfy with the cleanliness of
the bathroom. You start to wonder what's going on in
the parts of the restaurant that I can't see, if
(14:07):
this is what I can see. So, if you have
dignitaries coming from adversarial countries and they see literally homeless
folks on the steps of the Capitol building or you know,
on our monuments, what are they going to assume? They're
going to assume that our republic is in disorder, and
(14:29):
I think they would assume rightly. So these have far
reaching consequences. This isn't just a cosmetic problem. Obviously, We're
talking about people, criminals and indigence and all the rest
of it, real people with real lives. These aren't just
political issues. So I think Trump is doing exactly the
right thing. You know, it's going to be a thirty
(14:51):
day at minimum, you know, at minimum experiment. He's going
to need congressional approval to go further. But I think
these are steps in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
And you know, I think Washington, d c. Is a
perfect place to have a police board that is appointed.
Police boards can work very effectively if they're done correctly.
And when I say a police board. I don't mean
a community board. I'm talking about a police board of
professionals that have different that is not all appointed by
you know, a mayor or one individual. It could be
(15:27):
in a city, it could be not only the mayor,
he might have one, but it's also the governor of
the state or the attorney general of the state. There's
that way you have some diversification. Kensity, Missouri does that
in Kansas City, Missouri. The only thing that has saved
them from quite progressivism is the fact that a police
(15:48):
board exists that actually does the oversight the Knsity, Missouri
Police Department. And I think Washington, d C. Would be
a perfect place to have this kind of police board
of professionals that can help guide the person. Of course,
you would still hire a police chief and all those
kinds of things in order for it to be successful.
But that you know, that's just my own opinion. But
(16:12):
I love the fact that he's he is setting up
a committee to study this federal takeover and the things
that need to be done, and if it's done correctly,
I just hope it doesn't stop there. For me, this
is about going back to the original context of what Washington,
d C. Should be, and that it's supposed to be
a enclave of the people. It's not supposed to be
(16:35):
an individual city. And I think that home rule just
has to go away. They got to say it was
an experiment. It was an experiment that didn't work. And
we're going to go back to what George Washington, our
first president, had visioned for it to be a city
on a shining hill and something that represents the best
of what America has to offer. So but you know
(16:56):
those are just you know, our opinions. So hopefully somebody's
paying attention back there.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Well, you know, imagine that our founding fathers had the
right idea all along. I mean, go figure, right, you.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Know that's the reason it was done by providence. I
mean it's they just weren't men. They were guided providentially.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Oh, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
There's no way in the world the United States of
America ended up the way it is without God's preference
and providence. And and he had the ability to to
give them wisdom in the design of how this, how
this beautiful country works. And if we don't follow that wisdom,
then we end up with some of the things that
we have, mister producer, I want to go to cut three.
(17:42):
We're going to talk about the Epstein case. You know,
unfortunately it kind of keeps rising. It's raising its ugly
head every once in a while, So I want to
get your perspective, mister producer. Can you play cut three please?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
The gals.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
A fondarity of.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
These is he working on what a gathering.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Of compatizer as a scename to talk about how to
respond to the Epstein situation.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
I don't know I could ask you that question. I
don't know of it, but I think here's the man, right.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I saw a reported today and it's completely fake news.
We're not needing to talk about the Epstein.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Situation, and I think the reporter reported it needs to
get better sources.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Look, the whole thing is a hoax. It's put out
by the Democrats because we've had the most successful six
months in the history of our country, and that's just
a way of trying to divert attention to something that's
total both.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I love that, man, I love that. Okay, we've both
been cops a long time, different levels of government. What's
your take on the on the situation with the Epstein
case and I'm not talking about the who the things
that occurred as much as where we're at now and
today in dealing with this particular case, because it's just
(19:03):
not going away, right, I mean, it's still bubbling itself up.
So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Well, it's almost become a mean case, right, I mean,
it's it's just something that that social media wants to
grab onto and generate monetization with. I think that's primarily
what's going on with a lot of this desire to
keep the whole Epstein matter going. A lot of people
didn't realize and Cash Battel talked about this on his
(19:32):
during his interview with Joe Rogan, that Epstein had tried
to kill himself I think two months before he was
ultimately successful. So it was watch say that again.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
He was on suside. He was on suicide watch in
the in the jail.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Correct, Yeah, because he had attempted to kill himself once before,
and many people don't realize that. It comes as a
shock to some folks. So frankly, Epstein was successful in
killing himself. Now, you don't have to hang yourself from
the ceiling in order to exphyxiate yourself. You can actually
(20:12):
do it from the back of a chair. I mean,
I want to give people ideas, but it doesn't take
a lot of pressure to cut off the blood flow
from your carotid arteries into your brain, causing you to
lose consciousness and then you eventually suffocate. So it's entirely plausible,
(20:33):
feasible cash betels that he's been in that I don't think.
I don't know if he said he was in that
facility or facilities just like it, and he could see
how that could occur. I mean, I've been in I've
been in county level facilities where that's you know, it's
it happens. Unfortunately it happens. But in terms of the
case itself, I mean we're talking about a twenty year
(20:56):
old case. Frankly, if Trump had had anything to do
with Epstein in terms of criminal activity, you don't think
the Democrats would have dug that up long ago.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Oh yeah, it would have been there when he was
running the first time, no, right question, Yeah, and I agree.
I mean, sometimes we conspiracies take off when a lot
of times in law enforcement, you look at the facts,
and the facts usually dictator the laws of probability to
usually dictate what's going on. You know, I was a
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former sheriff, had an average daily population of a thousand
inmates a day at my facility as an agent. As
a KBI agent, one of our things we had to
do is investigate custody death and custody cases which included
inmates if they died, police shootings, those kinds of things.
(21:54):
And I must say that that law enforcement sheriff's offices.
In this case, it was a city facility. But there's
different ways to segregate inmates. One of it's medical segregation
because somebody may have a medical issue. One is administrative segregation.
One may be based because they're angry and have they
need to be placed in segregation because they could harm others.
(22:16):
The admin segregation often is because the suicide in their
standard practice best practices that are done when you put
somebody on suicide watch and under administrative segregation, and that
includes bed checks, cell checks probably every twenty minutes at
the least. And then you have oversight with cameras and
(22:38):
this goes back to you mentioned broken window theory crime
where a lot of jails you know, unfortunately are not
well taken care of. Their cameras are suspect, they don't work,
they're not fixed, maybe because they have bad budgets or
whatever it may be. And the things that usually occur
is because of a technology issue or a failure of
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the people who are have are supposed to be there
doing their job. And I attribute it to people not
doing their job like they're supposed to do and camera
systems not being replaced, which is people not doing their job,
because there's people that need to be able to do
those things. And you know that's that's the underlying issue
(23:21):
those If you want to base something on the probability
of why these things occur, sometimes it's as simple as that.
What say you.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Yeah, Well, my general rule of thumb when it comes
to evaluating government actions is usually if something is suspect,
I usually assume either in competence or apathy before conspiracy,
so generally speaking, and you've kind of touched on those
points a little bit. You know, the fact that a
(23:54):
camera wasn't working is not surprising. I don't draw some
nefarious conclude usion from that. This This happens, unfortunately, and
and it's something for the penal system to reevaluate, to
take more seriously. But you know, often these are matters
that are governed by local, local governments, local interests, and
(24:17):
you know, whether budgets are appropriate or not rely heavily
on what those local interests are. But uh, you know,
in terms of the case as a whole, Uh, there
just isn't any there there.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
The FBI director has stated that over and over again.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Dan Bongino has stated that he's not in the position
to speculate anymore. He's bound by what he sees in
the case file. And what is in the case file
does not indicate some you know, broad reaching conspiracy involving
the Macade and you know the Rothschilds or whatever other
(24:59):
crazy can conspiracy theory that you that you might like
to entertain.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah, you know, a fantom coming in and you know
strangling and you know the guide to that you know
got got in there. It's just that, you know, suicides
in jails happen in some areas. They happen much more
than what they should. This is a funding issue, This
is a manpower issue, this is a training issue. And
if we did a better job and followed best practices,
(25:26):
we wouldn't have these issues. But human nature is human nature.
What it is, you know, it happens to be. This
is the way it is. And every every jail suicide
I ever investigated, it was the same issue. It was
a result of neglect or somebody not doing their job,
(25:48):
not doing their bed checks, and a camera system that
wasn't working and the person having something accessible to them
to hang themselves, right, which was the case here. So
what I'd like to do is it would you be
willing to come back for our next segment?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Sure, very good.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So when we get back, we're going to get John's
perspective on the current FBI, some of the things that
are going on there, increasing assaults on law enforcement, and
a little bit about mortgage fraud and some interesting cases
that are happening there. Stay tuned.
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We're back with John Nance, retired FBI supervisory special Agent,
town Hall Newsmax columnists. He's all over the place, does
a great job and I appris John again, I appreciate
you being on the show.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Well, thank you very much for having me. Always a
pleasure to chat with you.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
So, the former acting director of the FBI and several
agents have been fired. They say without warning. It appears
to be without warning. So I'm confused because if memory serves,
I believe just recently, especially the acting director director actually
was given kind of the okay sign from the director
(30:31):
of the of the KB the FBI and the assistant director.
So I'm just can you you have inside information because
you are in a great agency, one that I highly respect.
And what I love about FBI and retired FBI agents
is that they're they're talking. They talk to each other,
agree and disagree on things. But they have an open
(30:51):
forum on the way things should be and what could
what could be done different And it's again it's based
on a view of honesty and kind of saying what
it is. So can you kind of explain what the
heck is going on?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Four individuals recently, well last week were dismissed. One agent
his last name is Myers. The other agent I'm not
as familiar with those two. The individual whose last name
is Myers was a G five to fifty pilot and
supposedly was the case agent handling the mar A Lago
(31:32):
search the mar A Lago raid. But the two I'm
very much more familiar with would be Steve Jensen, who
was the Assistant Director in charge of Washington Field Office
or the a Dick of WFO, and Brian Driscoll, who
most notably served as the acting director prior to cash
(31:53):
Pttel's confirmation. So both of those two individuals were summarily
dismissed without without explanation. Now, Steve Jensen may be familiar,
might be a familiar name to some of your listeners,
because he has been thoroughly maligned with regard to his work.
(32:15):
On the January sixth investigation. So a lot of this
begins with testimony from a former FBI employee, actually a
supervisory analyst. I believe his name's George Hill. He testified
before Congress and said that he participated in a big call,
(32:37):
it's called a Civets call, where thousands of people literally
were part of this call. And he alleges that Steve
and Jensen said, essentially in response to some questions from
Richmond about how should we handle this J six stuff.
He was reportedly Hill said that he stated, I don't
(32:59):
give a gd about these J six people. We need
to go after them. And some of that I'm paraphrasing
a little bit. Stephen Jensen denied that categorically. Cash Pttel
and Dan Bongino both gave their wholehearted endorsements to Steve
Jensen when he was appointed by Patel to run the
(33:22):
Washington Field office for some very case specific reasons. Now,
I've had people come out of the woodwork, people that
I know that have vouched for Jensen, that have said
unequivocally that they have never heard Jensen use foul language
in the entire time that they have worked with him.
Not one person has come forward to coroborate Hill's story.
(33:45):
So Stephen Jensen is a good guy, a Christian man
with ten kids, the kind of guy who when he
was transferred to Quantico as a result of him pushing
back on some j sixth overreach. He's the kind of
guy that's starting Bible studies now. Brian Drisco, highly decorated
(34:09):
hr team member, ran HRT for a period of time
again served as the acting director. One of the things
that he's criticized for, which actually is is a very
meritorious reaction to some tremendous political pressure. He refused to
release the names to the public of all the FBI
(34:32):
agents who were working any part of the January sixth investigation.
You had a lot of folks that were working. Should
should yes, which he should have done, that which he
rightly pushed back on, and he gave the administration the option, Look,
I'll give you the EI N numbers, so we can
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you can identify who you want to identify, but we're
not going to subject people who are working in good faith.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
To the mob.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
For these So this stuff has been bubbling up on
social media. Have a group of disaffected FBI employees, self
styled whistleblowers who have been maligning these people, have been
undermining Cash Battel, attacking the mission of the FBI to
this day, and some of this has come to the
(35:27):
attention of some people in the Trump administration. So the
firings have come from the White House. This is not
an FBI at least for Jensen and for Driscoll. Those
were those did not come from Cash Battel. I can
(35:49):
tell you that unequivocally that those did not come from
cash Battel. In fact, their support of Jensen and of
Driscoll has yet to be rescinded, and you're not going
to see it rescinded. In fact, I just wrote a
town Hall column regarding this subject, which we'll post tomorrow,
and both Jensen and Driscoll have agreed to talk to
(36:12):
me on the record. So there'll be a two part
column where Jensen and Driscoll will get to tell their
side of the story.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Oh that's gonna be good stuff. So I can't can't
wait to read. Is it is it a a video
or is it just written?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
No, it'll just be written just at town hall dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Okay, we're going to move to some recently reported aggravated
assaults on law enforcement that it kind of made the
news recently. I wanted to get your opinion on that,
and we're going to do a radio in just a second.
But in twenty twenty one, there were forty three thousand
officers and some change that were victims of aggravated assault.
(36:58):
In twenty twenty three, it rose to seventy nine thousand,
and in twenty twenty four more than eighty five thousand officers.
It's a new record high that's occurring. Mister producer, please
play cut.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
Five multiple gunshots to stage Offines Team Pleice say sixty
one year old Carmen Feino opened fire on two Pennsylvania
State troopers Thursday morning as they were responding to a
call about gunshots in northeast Pennsylvania.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
The troopers made it out of their vehicle and they
were ambushed from a very good distance away.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
It began when police say Fino shot and killed his neighbor,
who he didn't know. Fifty seven year old Lori Wasco
in her Drivewaysco's boyfriend was inside their home and called
police when the troopers approached Wasco's home. Police said the
suspect shot several rounds hitting Trooper Joseph Parnchinsky twice in
the Torso area and Trooper William Jenkins.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Sure, thank you, Okay. It's incredible to see the number
of aggravated assaults. I mean, we have been actually very
blessed because if you look at the officer deaths, we're down.
Last year we had about one hundred and I think
seventy nine officers killed in the line of duty that
includes all reasons. So far this year, I think we're
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at fifty four or fifty five where we're at. So
that's a reduction because we're past half the year, so
God willing, that's not going to change. But the aggravated
assaults have just skyrocket considerably. I have big concerns because
when you live in a world where you no longer
respect the police, and it's fomented in many ways by politicians.
(38:47):
And when I say that, we have areas in this
country where people say, you want to protest everybody, or
you want to you actually want to fight law enforcement,
or there's no discipline anymore to or lack of respective authority,
and it's and it's ending up having a drastic impact
on our culture. And so I'm really concerned about the
(39:10):
future when it comes to law enforcement officers and what
they're willing to put up with, because that we already
have diminished ranks. This kind of things even hurts it more.
Do you have any thoughts on those.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Well, I think this is a product of the the
the defund culture, right, It's it's the anti law enforcement culture,
and it's it has social Marxist roots, because the social
Marxists are always agitating. They always need to pit two
(39:46):
classes against each other in order to derive their political power.
So you have this this model of the oppressed and
the oppressor. Right, So the oppressed or whoever is can
is politically expedient, and the same applies to the oppressor.
So the oppressed can be my minority group, the oppressed
(40:09):
can be identified by sexual orientation, however you want to
work that permutation. And then the oppressor, typically in this country,
tends to be, at least as it's characterized from the left,
law enforcement. So when you're constantly messaging that law enforcement's
(40:29):
the bad guy, that law enforcement is racist, that law
enforcement is out in the community murdering people, then you
shouldn't be surprised if you have disturbed individuals or criminally
disposed individuals who take that as a signal to act
out violently against law enforcement. And then if you have
(40:53):
policies like restorative justice models, no cash bail, all these things,
that sends signals out to society that law enforcement is
not to be respected. And all these things have consequences,
They have deadly consequences. Politics matter, and people don't don't
(41:15):
pay enough attention to that. So when you have political leaders,
you know, that are championing causes like BLM or Antifa,
which are you know, fundamentally social Marxists organizations, that that
results in the in the kind of aggravated assaults that
we're seeing on law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because politics does matter.
You talk to some people and as soon as you
say politics, god, I'm not into that. I don't do that. Well.
Criminal justice public policy or government public policy is about politics,
because the politics is forming the public policy that you're
going to have, if it's in the criminal justice system
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or if it's the defense or whatever it may be.
Politics plays a role and we have to be educated
on what politics does and what the thought process of
it is. Law enforcement, in many ways, it's not rocket science,
but it can be hurt significantly if we don't support
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good criminal justice public policy that is based on number
one tradition, judaeo values of forgiveness. That's what we base
things on. We do give people chances, but it's based
on focused deterrence. And when focused deterrence happens, that means
somebody gets arrested and they are given the opportunity to
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fix their transgressions or not fix those transgressions. If they
fix them, then that the public and American value say,
good for you. You can do whatever you want to do.
If you can't fix those things, that's going to end
up being either serving in jail or prison. It could
be mandatory drug treatment programs, it could be mandatory mental
(43:05):
health treatment programs, whatever they may be. And those treatment
programs are faith centered. You know, if somebody you could
have drug courts, you could have veterans courts. There's so
many courts that I support that we could have to
have these kinds of things. Public policy matters, John, and
it's important for people to understand it right.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Absolutely. I think most people don't get what the primary
motivation for most law enforcement officers is, and that's the
motivation to help people, and the reason why a law
enforcement officer carries a gun, it is to enable that individual,
if necessary, to go to the furthest extent, to protect
(43:47):
the innocent, to protect those who can't protect themselves. The
reason why the badge is worn on the left side
is because traditionally that's where the shield would be carried,
like you know, by a medieval right shining armors, so
to speak. So the motivation for the vast majority, of
(44:08):
course there are rotten apples in every barrel, but the
vast majority, the motivation is to help people in their community,
make sure people are safe.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
And the.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Cops are are not the bad guys. I mean, you
look back into you know, the thirties and forties, you
know what would parents do They take their kids up
to meet the local beat cop. Right, And I don't
know if you've probably seen this as well in more
recent times, and is used to really anger me, is
when parents would bring their kids around law enforcement and
(44:45):
point at the law enforcement officer and say, you better
watch out. If you're bad, he's going to take you
to jail. Well, what's that teaching that kid? You know
what if that kid gets lost, do you think he's
going to approach a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Probably not so you said that if they said it
in a restaurant. Especially when I was a state trooper
because I wore a uniform. When I was a state trooper,
I didn't so much as an agent, but I would
always go out of my way to make sure and
go up and get on a knee and talk to
that child and say I'm here for you. You know.
I never let that go unabated, if you will, so
(45:20):
I would make sure and engage. But it's the best
police officers are ones that want to serve something greater
than themselves. And I agree with you, the vast highest
percentage of police officers do that. That's the reason they
get into that mission. I want to switch on to
something else, which is it's actually a growing trend. It's
(45:40):
called mortgage fraud, and it's it's not just for shady flippers.
All we're seeing. I think mortgage fraud is increased seven
to eight percent almost year after year and more. You know,
you have AI and so many other things that can
be done to manipulate that. But now we have insider
access to lenders and development, we have leverage, we have
people that can leverage influence. We have people that can
(46:02):
take complex finances and hide them, hide their income, hide
their debts. There's kickback pipelines that can occur, all these
kind of schemes that can occur, and politicians. We're seeing
more and more politicians succumbing. This isn't the first time.
There's been a lot of times where politicians have done
mortgage fraud and they think the rules are for the
(46:24):
other people. The bottom line is, mortgage fraud is climbing
the United States, and the political class is not immune
to it. They're actually part of the problem in many ways.
Mister producer, can you play cuts six please? Or in
your developer or Southern Development, how's the family board live
in a one bedroom part?
Speaker 8 (46:42):
Now it looks like Adam Schiff really did a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
That they have them. Now, let's see what happens.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
It's not up to me.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
It's not up to I stay out of it purposely.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
But it's mortgage loan fraud.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
He defrauded banks and insurance companies in the federal government.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
But it's very simple.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
It's mortgage loan fraud. And you're right, it's a lot
of people to live in a one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Right, but he put it down.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
But he has a lot of other things far worse
than that.
Speaker 8 (47:13):
So no Adam Shift.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
They have him one hundred on mortgage fraud now if
it's anybody.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Else so, and it's Adam Shift now has been accused
of this and some pretty serious allegations here. Naturally, everybody's
innocent until proven guiltry, but there's some pretty serious allegations.
And the other one is Letitia James, the Attorney General
of New York, has some very serious issues that are
(47:42):
all as a matter of fact, the evidence has been
public a lot of it because it's happened over time.
What are your thoughts there are are we running into
any problems with time or you know, it's been too
long for these things to occur. What are your thoughts
on some of these cases that are popping up with
respect to mortgage fraud by politicians.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Well, financial crimes are certainly kind of outside my wheelhouse.
But in terms of statute of limitations, I mean that
tends to be five years. I don't know precisely how
that runs for some of these financial crimes. I know
that if you have events that continue on beyond the
initial crime that that tolls the statute of limitations. So
(48:31):
there's probably some of that that's going on. I know
that's the case with regard to the Russia Gate stuff,
the leaking of classified information, that kind of stuff that
shift is also involved in. I think this does also
relate to the insider trading that occurs constantly, frankly on
(48:53):
both sides of the aisle. Marjorie Taylor Green, you know
you can follow these accounts on X like, uh, the
Pelosi stock tracker. I mean you literally can contrack's doing
and she's she's doing better than some of the best,
you know, minds on Wall Street. So that kind of
begs the question, Uh, you know, I don't think there
(49:15):
really is a question. I think people know that that
kind of activity is happening up on Capitol Hills. So
you know, to go from that to mortgage fraud, you know,
that's that's not maybe much of a big leap if
you feel like you're entitled and you're above the law.
So I think that gifts you know, bigger, bigger problem.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
And I think you're right if to me mortgage fraud,
if it's if you haven't sold the property it's ongoing
if you're living in that residence. And although there's no
statute limitations, because I would think I'm not an attorney,
you're you're the attorney, but I'm not one. But whenever
I did financial investigations, if the crime was continuing, you know,
it wasn't just when it started or you know, when
(49:59):
it was discovered. Because some of these cases, I mean, James,
this has been an accusation for maybe even over a
year or two years. Now it just as they finally
are showing some of the evidence. I have another one
that I want to talk to you about if you
have the time. We only got a few more minutes
in the show. I managed to have you for the
whole show. Now see how popular on John you just
(50:21):
double so. Mayor Karen Bass last Wednesday criticized the Trump
administration's ongoing and immigration enforcement actions, claiming that ice raids
are negatively affecting Los Angeles economy. She was speaking to
local media about it. She said the enforcement operations have
resulted in significant dropping customers. Mister producer, can you play
(50:44):
cut seven please?
Speaker 1 (50:47):
The past several.
Speaker 12 (50:48):
Weeks, we've seen the chaos and cruelty of immigration raids
in the city. We have seen how they have impacted families.
I am frankly worried about those families and if they're
still hanging together, especially economically and talking to families that
have impacted when one bread winner, one wage earner is
(51:11):
gone and disappears to survive in our city economically, you
need two, three and four wage earners.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
To keep housing.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
To man, this is almost classic political misdirection as far
as I'm concerned, Any thoughts on how you are Los
Angeles is crazy. I mean, I can't believe how crazy
it's become. Thank goodness, they have a really good DA now,
so that's the one saving grace that LA is having.
(51:43):
What where how do we even get to this? How
does the mayor even have the cajones? I guess she
doesn't have those. But you know, how can you be
this way and divert this misdirection so much?
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Well, I think it's ironic that she points to the
essentially unaffordable UH prices price of housing UH in in
in California and in that particular area, and that is
directly due to Democrat policies. UH the you know, the
the green new steel type policies that have made that
(52:22):
have made real estate prices uh so unaffordable. I mean
they have marked off so much land and and designated
it as uh, you know as state parks or or
or whatever they may be, or or you know, areas
where you you cannot build single family dwellings because you know,
a particular turtle might be inconvenience or whatever.
Speaker 11 (52:45):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
These are Democrat policies that have created this this type
of problem. And frankly, ICE is not going after you know,
ICE is going after these violent cartel members, uh, these
violent criminals first. And Trump I think has made it
very clear that in terms of people that are here illegally,
(53:09):
that there will be a process for individuals who have
been here for quite some time and have been you know,
productive members of our society, I suppose, other than the
fact that they're not paying taxes. But you know, the
the the ICE operations are not targeting families that are
(53:30):
just here quietly trying to earn a living and educate
their children. So it is a it's a it's a
red herring that's often banded about by the left.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Yeah, they're targeting criminals, and they're targeting people who are
associated with criminals. So if you happen to be a
legal alien that maybe hasn't violated the law, But if
you're hanging out with that person, you know, as my
dad used to say, curry, you are what you eat.
And he wasn't just talking about the food that I
put in my mouth. He was talking about the you know,
(54:05):
the people that I hang around. So I appreciate that
clarification because we're seeing this constant rebuttal, especially from the
California or Gavin Newsom's you know you know is always
kind of claiming the same thing. John, thanks for having
for coming on the show. How can people follow you
and keep up with your work?
Speaker 5 (54:27):
All right? Regularly at townhall dot com So I have
a column there, and if you want to follow me
on my socials, I'm on ex Instagram, LinkedIn Facebook, at
the John Nance and if you want more, if you
want to follow more of my stuff, you can do
it at any one of those places.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
And friends, I highly recommend that you follow John Sage advice.
A lot of wisdom there and it's always a pleasure
to have him on the show, and hopefully he'll come
back and join me one of these few days before
we leave. I want to make sure and have a
quick tribute. We've had fifty four loft law enforcement officers
killed in the line of duty this year. This month,
Lieutenant Albert Stout the Robstown Police Department in Texas, Police
(55:09):
Officer David Rose of the DeKalb County Police Department in Georgia,
Sergeant Kenneth Sallas of Spokane County Sheriff in Washington, and
Sergeant Caleb Ellsworth of the Baton Rouge Police Department in
Louisiana all lost their lives serving the people of this country.
Saint Michael, the Archangel, watch over these brave officers. This
(55:31):
is doctor Curry Myers, America's criminologist. You can view my
work on substack at doctor Curry Myers dot substack dot
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