February 28, 2025 • 26 mins
In this episode, Bobby Burack shares his journey to becoming a columnist at Outkick, discussing his diverse interests in politics, culture, and sports. He reflects on the value of education, the pressures of societal expectations, and the importance of pursuing happiness over status. The dialogue also touches on the cultural differences between small towns and big cities, culminating in a light-hearted debate about Chicago and New York pizza. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowin Show on iHeartRadio.
After a few weeks of friendship content, I got a
note and I want to respond to it because I
think it's an interesting question. Here's the note. My boyfriend,
age thirty six, and I, age thirty two, have been
dating for six years. We are both Republicans, but in
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the last few years, I've moved further right and he's
moved further left. We love each other and plan to
get married someday, but I'm afraid we're drifting politically from
each other and that it will hurt our relationship in
the long term. We went from agreeing on politics ninety
percent of the time to disagreeing about fifty percent, even
though we both voted for Trump after four bad years
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of Biden. What do you think? Well, it's funny because
I want to answer your question. I really do. I
want to talk about how political differences in a relationship
can cause strain and how it's always better to be
more politically aligned with your spouse rather than less, as
it all goes back to values, right, and the fact
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that you're even writing in means that you know you
guys are drifting apart in more than just politics. But
I'm completely caught up in the fact that you're thirty
two and he's thirty six and dating for six years
and planning to get married someday. It's just such a
huge red flag for me that you've had this long relationship,
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not in your teen years or something, and you aren't
engaged and still see this as something you'll do someday.
This was an anonymous note or I would have reached
back out to this person to say, are you sure
politics is the problem here? It really sounds like something
else is going on. He's thirty six, what's the delay here?
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So yes, I do think that your valueues have criss
crossed somewhere along the way, and that it may be
a challenge for you guys to go the distance. I'd
love to know which part of politics you're arguing about,
what's at the core of the problem. Is it economic,
is it social? Foreign policy? I'd say that if your
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arguments are about something values based, to you, something that
you can't get over, you need to think twice about
this relationship. I remember my now husband and I argued
about privatizing social security back when we were dating, and
it was a passionate disagreement, but it ultimately didn't matter
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in the grand scheme of things. If we disagreed on
something that I consider a deal breaker, I don't know.
Maybe if he believed in open borders and I very
much don't, or if we disagreed on Israel, something that's
a very touchy subject for me, or something that really
mattered to me, maybe we wouldn't have been able to proceed.
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But we were also engaged within a year of dating
because I was thirty and he was thirty two, and
that's the path that thirty somethings take when they're on
a committed relationship that they want to last. So more
than anything else, figure out where you guys stand apart
from politics. What has been the delay in taking this
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next step? Don't wait another six years or imagine that
it's only politics holding you guys back. Thanks for listening.
Coming up next and interview with Bobby Barak. Join us
after the break.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Bobby Barak. Bobby is a columnist at
the amazing website OutKick. Hi Bobby, so nice to have you.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
On Carol happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This is exciting. I feel like I've been reading you
for a long time and here we are talking sort
of face to face for the very very first time.
How did you get into being a columnist at outre?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So when I was in college, it's study Like you're
still in college.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I was studying economics and uh it was fine.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I didn't love it, but whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
And I started a podcast just interviewing different media people.
Really it's on my own time. It was very poorly produced,
but that's okay. And a guy by the name of
Jason McIntyre, who was running a website for USA Today
called The Big Lead, said Hey, I like your grind,
like your your your drive. I would like to bring
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you on to write some stories for us. So I
did that for probably three years, and one of the
people who started to read me was Clay, who at
the time owned out Kick one hundred independently.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
He didn't have any partners.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Clay Travis for anybody who doesn't know who, this is
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network on iHeart.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So just to bring it all full cert right, So
there's some crossover there and this was twenty twenty, and
it's a pretty interesting time in media because Dave Portnoy
had just sold Barstool Sports I think for four hundred
and fifty million dollars and he had started Barstool around
the same time Clay had started out Kick, and he
called me and said, you know, there's a really big
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opportunity to build something here with sports and politics. There's
an election coming up. He goes, I think you would
be a really good addition. So he originally just reached
out to me and two other people and he made
this deal. He said, hey, if we sell this company
in three years, I will give you X amount of
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money from the sale. And this was a three year
plan and the company actually sold nine months later to Fox,
so went it very well. And yeah, I mean since
then the company has changed a lot. We're under a
big corporation now. But it really started with just writing
online and Clay happening to like some of my work.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I love that. What's your beat at OutKick? Do you
have one?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Not? Really pretty much is anything. I mean this fall
I really focused on the election. I did a lot
of electoral map projections and reaction and columns, but I
tend to just focus on whatever I have a strong
opinion on at the time. You can go from politics
to culture, to sports, to race or really anything, which
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is what I like about OutKick. I think that a
lot of times what happens with online writing is journalists
are forced to cover the same beat over and over again, and.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
There's not a lot of fodder always to fill it.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Like I read the USA today and I see somebody
as a race and ethics columnist. Well, there's not a
race and ethics story every single day, so you end
up making up content just to fulfill that role.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I try to never that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, what do you feel like you're most interested in
right now to cover?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, definitely what's happening with the Trump administration, and there's
so much that has gone wrong. I believe in the
past a couple of decades within politics like this whole
idea that the people still control this country as such
a lie. You see people get in office all the time.
They only act at the behest of their donors, but
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they get in power because of their voters.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So I like this.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Idea of not just Trump, but bringing in outsiders like
someone like Pete Hegseth who was not groomed through the
traditional permanent Washington standards.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, and the files have always really been fascinated by
what happened to JFK RFK. We'll see they say they're
going to release the files. I'm really interested in that.
And I mean right now this week, of course, it
is super Bowl week, so I have some attention on
that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Right, that's a big big deal. Did you always want
to be in media?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I think so. I probably going to think about
it a lot till I was maybe sixteen. Then it
hit me like, hey, you know, I got to figure
out what I should do. Even though I regret focusing
so much on that early. But when I was seventeen,
there was this program program I guess there was an
assignment we all had to do where we had to
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job shadow someone.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And I job.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Shadowed someone at a local radio station, really small radio station,
country music radio station that played Rush Limbaugh. It was
pretty cool, pretty influential in a small area. And after
I showed up there and did my interviews and stuff,
they offered me a job. I did my junior and
senior year. I really liked that, and that's really how
it started. What would have been the plan B That's
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a good question. I've always been fascinated by documentaries. I
guess that's still in the same lane of writing. But
I still want to one day dig in do some
stories that are told historically, maybe inaccurately, and finding out
the truth of it. So I think I probably would
have always done something in journalism, politics, current events.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But I didn't study economics.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So there was a time where I thought, well, maybe
I'll be a stockbroker, a financial advisor, although I don't
think I would be very good at given financial advice.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Maybe maybe you know, it could still happen. You don't know.
So what is the documentary that you've got planned about?
Come on, definitely have one in your head.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No, I mean I want to, Okay, So I whenever
there's a big story, I start to read and find
just some questions about it. Right, like a couple of
years ago with the Russia Ukraine thing, I started to
dig in deep to World War Two and I started
to wonder, Okay, I work with David Hookstead, who's this
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history military buff, and he started telling me some things.
I thought, maybe this doesn't add up. But there are
even some smaller stories that I think would be interesting,
like the original rise of the Internet. What was the
intent behind that?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Who?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
What was the grand plan? I read a lot about
artificial intelligence. Did the original people who invested in AI
know what it could become? Which is artificial genetic intelligence
where you're gonna have robots. So I just think there's
so many stories there that I want to dig deeper.
In the Old West, for example, Carol, I'm not sure
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if the way the Old West is presented is totally accurate.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
We also saw that movie The Reverend.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Where Leonardo DiCaprio is molded by a bear. I don't
think that story's true. No, cold it is. Now there's
so many Old West shootouts and tails. Sure that's right either.
That's all my.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Old West information from Young Guns too. The first Young
Guns was not that great, but young Guns too. They
can't be historically inaccurate.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Cannon, Yeah, I think they all are. The Mob.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I'm fascinated by the Mob. I don't think that's accurate either,
especially during the age of the Five Families. So I
just listed off like fifteen different topics right opinone's interested
in any of them, but they all intrigue me right.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
If anyone's interested in funding any of these projects, you've
get in such a bobby, I agree. And also, yeah,
well I was going to say, we have this thing
in Brooklyn, you know, where we say there's no such
thing as the mafia. You watch too many movies, So.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Also, and I've been open about this, maybe someone should
take it up Fox somebody.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think we.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Need a alternative to SNL, a conservative version, one that's funny,
one that's willing to make fun of everyone. I want
to work on that project too.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's a really good idea. Actually, I mean, any conservative
content really, because everything is so saturated with liberal opinion
that anything conservative I feel like we do at least
sort of. Well. I think it was Charles who said
Fox picked up, you know, a niche market when they
started half the country, So that was always a line
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that I really enjoyed. So documentaries, you know, maybe stockbrokering
in your future. Is there anything you feel like you
missed out on doing?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
No, I mean, one of the cool things that I
do is I pretty much have the editorial freedom to
write about any topics, So I pretty much can do
or explore any topic.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I watched. There's not much I miss out on.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I mean, would it have been cool to have a
law degree to maybe break down some of these stories
from that perspective. Yeah, But I'm so I'm so anti
the whole college structure now that I really don't think
I could have lasted longer. I just didn't like all
of it. The more I've learned, I actually regret going entirely.
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I think that it was a waste of time. I
think it's a waste time for a lot of people.
So I don't think I would have wanted wanted to
go to law school. But I think the value of
a law degree is pretty significant, right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I mean, Clay Travis has a lot of degree. I
was very interested to learn that. I think he uses
it in his you know, definitely in his opinion making.
I've heard him refer to different legal things in it.
Sure it's useful, But I consider graduate school the most
expensive mistake I've ever made. So and I only went
for one year. I mean, it was a one year program,
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but it cost a whole lot. And nobody has ever
asked to see my diploma or my grades or anything.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
It was like, yeah, same here, Yeah, and just it's
hard to, I think, quantify what you lose out when
you go to college, because it is very hard, I think,
to think independently there because you're surrounded by these wacky,
very opinionated professors who pretty much demand that you think
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exactly like they do, and there's peer pressure all over
the place. I understand if you're going for STEM you
need that degree, but when it comes to liberal arts
and stuff, I just I don't see it. I don't
think I learned much at all in college. I think
you learn much more experiencing life, talking to people who
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do what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
In traveling.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I think traveling is very illuminating that a lot of
times you can't do when you're in college because you
have exams and you're spending so much money.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Right, you spend all your money on the textbooks and
the classes that you can't go travel. It's an interesting
question because I have my oldest is fourteen. I mean,
this is a question we're going to be butting up
against in the next few years. It's like, on one hand,
you want to say college is pointless. I found it pointless.
I agree with you. You know totally nothing that I
learned in college has helped me even one iota along
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the way, but it's the right of passage. I'm not
sure that I'm brave enough to tell my kids to
pick another path. If they have an idea, you know,
what they want to do, and they college, great. But
if they're like, I don't know what I want to do,
I'm not sure I would just be like, well, go
start working and figure it out. I don't know. It's
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really it's it's tougher than it seems to say to
your kids, like, don't do the thing that everybody's doing.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, I think there's a lot to it. I interviewed
Ben Shapiro on our site a couple of years ago,
and he runs a business somewhat. I think he still
has ownership and the company.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He said.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
The problem is is that businesses are not legally allowed
to make someone take an IQ test. SOW degree is
pretty much just one way to realize, Okay, this person
is capable of thinking. It pretty much is just key too, Okay,
this person is competent. And but I don't think a
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college degree ever necessarily can guarantee that someone is capable
of doing the job. Yes, they might be able to
pass some test.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
But I mean, I grew.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Up in a very, very small town and a lot
of my friends are truck drivers. They build barns, roofs, farmers,
and I find them much more independently minded than some
of my friends who went to grad school and our
accountants or teachers or professors. So I just don't buy
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into any of that at all. So I would not
I will never tell someone not to go to college,
because I think there are certain jobs that demand it.
But if you want to be a journalist and independent journalist, don't, right, I.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Would say, just start doing it and see how that
goes for you. Yeah, what do you worry about?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
So if you'd asked me this ten years ago, I
would have said everything I was. I worried about everything.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Can you look super young? Like I would be, like
ten years ago you were like ten, right.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So seventeen ten years ago, So yeah, I worried about everything,
But now I don't worry.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
About a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I would say, I think you worry that time is
limited with people you really care about that you're older, right, Like,
you can't guarantee that, and life takes you away from
them geographically, just time wise, So you wonder, Okay, you know,
are you spending your time wisely? Are you focusing too
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much on work? And maybe you should be visiting relatives.
I've had a lot of just sudden deaths in the family,
and every time it's eye opening of oh, you know,
maybe on that weekend I should have went to that
family or a union. I think you worry about things
that are out of your control. I mean, I never
worry about myself, honestly, I feel like, whatever happens, I'll
figure it out. But the things that you can't control,
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like somebody you know getting cancer or getting sick, or
dying in a car accident, I think those are things
that are always in the back of your mind.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What advice would you
give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Live in the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Right when somebody's upset, it's usually for one or two reasons.
They're worried about the future, or they regret something in
the past, they're worried that it's going to come up. Usually,
when you just live in the moment and don't think
about either the past or the present, I think you're
usually pretty happy. Right, There's very few times where I've
just been miserable in the moment.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
The times that I've been like.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Full of anxiety or worried or depressed, it's something that
happened before, or trying to make some hard decisions. So,
especially when you're sixteen, don't worry so much about the future,
because honestly, you're probably going to go on a path
that you didn't predict. I know I certainly didn't. Right.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's interesting because you said you were worrying ten years ago,
and that was seventeen. You know, when I think about
my sixteen year old self, that was a person free
of worried. I had nothing to worry about, you know,
I had parents who took care of me, and I
didn't have you know, I didn't have to do very
much other than go to school. But you were already
kind of pre worrying all your all your stuff from adulthood.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I think a lot of it is societal pressure too, Right.
You have these teachers who are like, hell, you got
to get a good SAT score to get into this college,
or you start to You have a lot of decisions
because when you're sixteen, you haven't really made real decisions. Yeah.
I think when you're sixteen seventeen, you start to make
some real decisions. Am I going to go to college?
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Should I get a job? Should I know, save money
for a car? Is it worth going to this party
at night? Like I think you just you start to
have to for the first time in your life calculate
is something worth it or not? It could be very distressing,
and it was for me.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah. Absolutely. Where did you grow up?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
A small small town called Peck, Michigan. I graduated Carol
with I think twenty five people.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Wow, that's your entire grade?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Am I tire grade? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Wow, that's crazy to go back a lot?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Not a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
There's not much there to go back to. There's a
big I guess, but no, there's just really not much there.
I grew up in a really small town. Never really
was interested in like the big city life. Well, I've
gotten to like it more over the past couple of years,
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I will admit.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What do you like about it?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The city life?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, I'm always curious about the transition, because, yeah, I
grew up in a city. I never knew anything else,
you know, I'm just curious how you go from small
town to the city and enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Well things A couple of things.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
One is like, so I'm not too far from Chicago,
and I know the reputation Chicago's awful. Like waking up
in a hotel and walking down and seeing the architecture,
the high rises, the skyscraper. I just think Chicago is beautiful.
You have the river, and there's so much to do,
especially in a city like that, and you can go
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to a sports bar one night, a comedy club the next.
I didn't have that growing up at all. I mean,
even to go to a Walmart was twenty five throwing drive.
So being able to walk somewhere and not have to
drive there is pretty unique to me.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Right Yeah, And I mean Chicago has some really good
cast roles that they call pizzas well.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So I have a hot take for you.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think Chicago pizza is better than New York pizza.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Here's what you stop that right now.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
New York pizza is not all that much different than
everyone else pizza, right, Chicago is different.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It's like if you're.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Going different, it's very very different.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, if you're going to plame superiority you might as
well go out your own way, right. It's like, yeah,
I in New York, I'm not like you in New
York pizza. I can get pizza anywhere, but if I
go to Chicago, I can't really get that anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I mean, sure, okay, Chicago's style of pizza, and then
what everybody else is selling is New York style pizza.
So they just stole New York style. It doesn't mean
that it's great everywhere else, just as well better.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I mean, it's like I'm thinking a good example. It's
like if you're going to go the red carpet, like
if you don't want to look like everyone else, you
want to be able to be remembered. We saw that
during the Grammar. So no, I uh, I'm pro Chicago pizza,
and I'm pro Chicago. Over in New York by the way,
I Chicago.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
These are some controversial opinions, and I'm you know, I'm
kind of sour on New York in the last few years,
but I mean, not not over chicgo. No, not worse
in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Look, I I.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Tell me everything, go ahead. I want to hear what
Chicago's great.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
So I think people are great So, first of all,
the view of New York is great. The view of
Chicago pretty similar. A lot fewer people in Chicago, so
you get to walk without all the people. They're not
peking on you, sneezing.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Eyes of freezing outside.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I like the cold. I like to call.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I know you're in Florida, in Florida. Yeah, I'm freezing
over here.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
People in Florida, they I mean, they think like fifty
degrees is freezing. I'm good as long as it's not
like ten. So go with the Chicago weather. The river,
beautiful river ride, Lincoln Park, awesome area.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
And also this is a real thing.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Despite you thinking, well, Chicago, there's all these taxi and
uber drivers. They're very bad at driving, the Chicago drivers.
Because there's a plus.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
This is there you need to go.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh, how you're saying New York's drivers. I thought you
were saying Chicago's Uber drivers are not that great.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Oh no, Chicago's Uber drivers are pretty good. The New
York ones not at all. I mean, just bad drivers.
Take a while. I've always missed something.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I feel like I'm like ten to fifteen minutes late,
and they don't believe me. But it actually is the
driver's fall. So yeah, I mean, check, check, check. I
don't know what.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, yeah, you know, I don't even know. Maybe I'll
give you Midwest drivers or better. But like we walk
in everywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
They're nicer people in the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Right, yeah, I mean, so, you know, I can't believe
I'm gonna have to be defending New York here, but
New York is the thing about New Yorkers are when
I was a New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We're not nice. We're good people, we do good things,
but we're not nice about it. Like, well, it's the
it's the whole. The image that people share is you know,
if a mom is standing with a stroller at the
bottom of a subway stairs, somebody will just come by,
grab her stroller, bring it up and not say one word,
like not even look at her as they do it.
So they're not polite, but they're good.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Well I've always said I think people the Northeast are
the most aggressive, most interesting. People in the Midwest are
the nicest. People in the South are the sweetest.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Does that all add up?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You believe that?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah? In the West, I don't really care that much
about Well.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Here's what they're doing out there like Left Coast whatever.
I'm sorry everybody, you know, listeners. I didn't expect to
go through such a controversial take, but you know, this
is this is what happens sometimes guests, you know, go
their own way.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Well, I mean, look, some people say that a lot
of my opinion as they think are the minority. But
I think the Chicago pizza one might be my most polarizing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I could see that absolutely well, Bobby, I've loved this
conversation except the part where you talk about Chicago being
better than New York. Leave us here with your best
tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Okay, okay, besides get out of New York, right besides yeah,
best tip, I would say, do what makes you happy. Right, Like,
at the end of the day, no one ever regrets
a time that made them happy. You regret things you
missed out, things that went wrong. But if going to
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an event or moving or hanging out with a friend,
or I don't know, breaking up with somebody and finding
someone new or just whatever it is, I think, chase happiness.
Don't chase money, don't chase approval, don't chase status.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Chase happiness.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Love it. Thank you so much. Here is Bobby Barak
check him out at out Kid. Thank you so much,
Bobby for coming on.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowit Show.
Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowin Show on iHeartRadio.
After a few weeks of friendship content, I got a
note and I want to respond to it because I
think it's an interesting question. Here's the note. My boyfriend,
age thirty six, and I, age thirty two, have been
dating for six years. We are both Republicans, but in
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the last few years, I've moved further right and he's
moved further left. We love each other and plan to
get married someday, but I'm afraid we're drifting politically from
each other and that it will hurt our relationship in
the long term. We went from agreeing on politics ninety
percent of the time to disagreeing about fifty percent, even
though we both voted for Trump after four bad years
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of Biden. What do you think? Well, it's funny because
I want to answer your question. I really do. I
want to talk about how political differences in a relationship
can cause strain and how it's always better to be
more politically aligned with your spouse rather than less, as
it all goes back to values, right, and the fact
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that you're even writing in means that you know you
guys are drifting apart in more than just politics. But
I'm completely caught up in the fact that you're thirty
two and he's thirty six and dating for six years
and planning to get married someday. It's just such a
huge red flag for me that you've had this long relationship,
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not in your teen years or something, and you aren't
engaged and still see this as something you'll do someday.
This was an anonymous note or I would have reached
back out to this person to say, are you sure
politics is the problem here? It really sounds like something
else is going on. He's thirty six, what's the delay here?
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So yes, I do think that your valueues have criss
crossed somewhere along the way, and that it may be
a challenge for you guys to go the distance. I'd
love to know which part of politics you're arguing about,
what's at the core of the problem. Is it economic,
is it social? Foreign policy? I'd say that if your
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arguments are about something values based, to you, something that
you can't get over, you need to think twice about
this relationship. I remember my now husband and I argued
about privatizing social security back when we were dating, and
it was a passionate disagreement, but it ultimately didn't matter
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in the grand scheme of things. If we disagreed on
something that I consider a deal breaker, I don't know.
Maybe if he believed in open borders and I very
much don't, or if we disagreed on Israel, something that's
a very touchy subject for me, or something that really
mattered to me, maybe we wouldn't have been able to proceed.
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But we were also engaged within a year of dating
because I was thirty and he was thirty two, and
that's the path that thirty somethings take when they're on
a committed relationship that they want to last. So more
than anything else, figure out where you guys stand apart
from politics. What has been the delay in taking this
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next step? Don't wait another six years or imagine that
it's only politics holding you guys back. Thanks for listening.
Coming up next and interview with Bobby Barak. Join us
after the break.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Bobby Barak. Bobby is a columnist at
the amazing website OutKick. Hi Bobby, so nice to have you.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
On Carol happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This is exciting. I feel like I've been reading you
for a long time and here we are talking sort
of face to face for the very very first time.
How did you get into being a columnist at outre?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So when I was in college, it's study Like you're
still in college.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I was studying economics and uh it was fine.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I didn't love it, but whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
And I started a podcast just interviewing different media people.
Really it's on my own time. It was very poorly produced,
but that's okay. And a guy by the name of
Jason McIntyre, who was running a website for USA Today
called The Big Lead, said Hey, I like your grind,
like your your your drive. I would like to bring
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you on to write some stories for us. So I
did that for probably three years, and one of the
people who started to read me was Clay, who at
the time owned out Kick one hundred independently.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
He didn't have any partners.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Clay Travis for anybody who doesn't know who, this is
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network on iHeart.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So just to bring it all full cert right, So
there's some crossover there and this was twenty twenty, and
it's a pretty interesting time in media because Dave Portnoy
had just sold Barstool Sports I think for four hundred
and fifty million dollars and he had started Barstool around
the same time Clay had started out Kick, and he
called me and said, you know, there's a really big
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opportunity to build something here with sports and politics. There's
an election coming up. He goes, I think you would
be a really good addition. So he originally just reached
out to me and two other people and he made
this deal. He said, hey, if we sell this company
in three years, I will give you X amount of
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money from the sale. And this was a three year
plan and the company actually sold nine months later to Fox,
so went it very well. And yeah, I mean since
then the company has changed a lot. We're under a
big corporation now. But it really started with just writing
online and Clay happening to like some of my work.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I love that. What's your beat at OutKick? Do you
have one?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Not? Really pretty much is anything. I mean this fall
I really focused on the election. I did a lot
of electoral map projections and reaction and columns, but I
tend to just focus on whatever I have a strong
opinion on at the time. You can go from politics
to culture, to sports, to race or really anything, which
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is what I like about OutKick. I think that a
lot of times what happens with online writing is journalists
are forced to cover the same beat over and over again, and.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
There's not a lot of fodder always to fill it.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Like I read the USA today and I see somebody
as a race and ethics columnist. Well, there's not a
race and ethics story every single day, so you end
up making up content just to fulfill that role.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I try to never that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, what do you feel like you're most interested in
right now to cover?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, definitely what's happening with the Trump administration, and there's
so much that has gone wrong. I believe in the
past a couple of decades within politics like this whole
idea that the people still control this country as such
a lie. You see people get in office all the time.
They only act at the behest of their donors, but
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they get in power because of their voters.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So I like this.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Idea of not just Trump, but bringing in outsiders like
someone like Pete Hegseth who was not groomed through the
traditional permanent Washington standards.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, and the files have always really been fascinated by
what happened to JFK RFK. We'll see they say they're
going to release the files. I'm really interested in that.
And I mean right now this week, of course, it
is super Bowl week, so I have some attention on
that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Right, that's a big big deal. Did you always want
to be in media?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I think so. I probably going to think about
it a lot till I was maybe sixteen. Then it
hit me like, hey, you know, I got to figure
out what I should do. Even though I regret focusing
so much on that early. But when I was seventeen,
there was this program program I guess there was an
assignment we all had to do where we had to
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job shadow someone.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And I job.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Shadowed someone at a local radio station, really small radio station,
country music radio station that played Rush Limbaugh. It was
pretty cool, pretty influential in a small area. And after
I showed up there and did my interviews and stuff,
they offered me a job. I did my junior and
senior year. I really liked that, and that's really how
it started. What would have been the plan B That's
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a good question. I've always been fascinated by documentaries. I
guess that's still in the same lane of writing. But
I still want to one day dig in do some
stories that are told historically, maybe inaccurately, and finding out
the truth of it. So I think I probably would
have always done something in journalism, politics, current events.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But I didn't study economics.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So there was a time where I thought, well, maybe
I'll be a stockbroker, a financial advisor, although I don't
think I would be very good at given financial advice.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Maybe maybe you know, it could still happen. You don't know.
So what is the documentary that you've got planned about?
Come on, definitely have one in your head.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No, I mean I want to, Okay, So I whenever
there's a big story, I start to read and find
just some questions about it. Right, like a couple of
years ago with the Russia Ukraine thing, I started to
dig in deep to World War Two and I started
to wonder, Okay, I work with David Hookstead, who's this
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history military buff, and he started telling me some things.
I thought, maybe this doesn't add up. But there are
even some smaller stories that I think would be interesting,
like the original rise of the Internet. What was the
intent behind that?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Who?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
What was the grand plan? I read a lot about
artificial intelligence. Did the original people who invested in AI
know what it could become? Which is artificial genetic intelligence
where you're gonna have robots. So I just think there's
so many stories there that I want to dig deeper.
In the Old West, for example, Carol, I'm not sure
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if the way the Old West is presented is totally accurate.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
We also saw that movie The Reverend.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Where Leonardo DiCaprio is molded by a bear. I don't
think that story's true. No, cold it is. Now there's
so many Old West shootouts and tails. Sure that's right either.
That's all my.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Old West information from Young Guns too. The first Young
Guns was not that great, but young Guns too. They
can't be historically inaccurate.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Cannon, Yeah, I think they all are. The Mob.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I'm fascinated by the Mob. I don't think that's accurate either,
especially during the age of the Five Families. So I
just listed off like fifteen different topics right opinone's interested
in any of them, but they all intrigue me right.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
If anyone's interested in funding any of these projects, you've
get in such a bobby, I agree. And also, yeah,
well I was going to say, we have this thing
in Brooklyn, you know, where we say there's no such
thing as the mafia. You watch too many movies, So.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Also, and I've been open about this, maybe someone should
take it up Fox somebody.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think we.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Need a alternative to SNL, a conservative version, one that's funny,
one that's willing to make fun of everyone. I want
to work on that project too.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's a really good idea. Actually, I mean, any conservative
content really, because everything is so saturated with liberal opinion
that anything conservative I feel like we do at least
sort of. Well. I think it was Charles who said
Fox picked up, you know, a niche market when they
started half the country, So that was always a line
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that I really enjoyed. So documentaries, you know, maybe stockbrokering
in your future. Is there anything you feel like you
missed out on doing?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
No, I mean, one of the cool things that I
do is I pretty much have the editorial freedom to
write about any topics, So I pretty much can do
or explore any topic.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I watched. There's not much I miss out on.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I mean, would it have been cool to have a
law degree to maybe break down some of these stories
from that perspective. Yeah, But I'm so I'm so anti
the whole college structure now that I really don't think
I could have lasted longer. I just didn't like all
of it. The more I've learned, I actually regret going entirely.
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I think that it was a waste of time. I
think it's a waste time for a lot of people.
So I don't think I would have wanted wanted to
go to law school. But I think the value of
a law degree is pretty significant, right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I mean, Clay Travis has a lot of degree. I
was very interested to learn that. I think he uses
it in his you know, definitely in his opinion making.
I've heard him refer to different legal things in it.
Sure it's useful, But I consider graduate school the most
expensive mistake I've ever made. So and I only went
for one year. I mean, it was a one year program,
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but it cost a whole lot. And nobody has ever
asked to see my diploma or my grades or anything.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
It was like, yeah, same here, Yeah, and just it's
hard to, I think, quantify what you lose out when
you go to college, because it is very hard, I think,
to think independently there because you're surrounded by these wacky,
very opinionated professors who pretty much demand that you think
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exactly like they do, and there's peer pressure all over
the place. I understand if you're going for STEM you
need that degree, but when it comes to liberal arts
and stuff, I just I don't see it. I don't
think I learned much at all in college. I think
you learn much more experiencing life, talking to people who
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do what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
In traveling.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I think traveling is very illuminating that a lot of
times you can't do when you're in college because you
have exams and you're spending so much money.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Right, you spend all your money on the textbooks and
the classes that you can't go travel. It's an interesting
question because I have my oldest is fourteen. I mean,
this is a question we're going to be butting up
against in the next few years. It's like, on one hand,
you want to say college is pointless. I found it pointless.
I agree with you. You know totally nothing that I
learned in college has helped me even one iota along
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the way, but it's the right of passage. I'm not
sure that I'm brave enough to tell my kids to
pick another path. If they have an idea, you know,
what they want to do, and they college, great. But
if they're like, I don't know what I want to do,
I'm not sure I would just be like, well, go
start working and figure it out. I don't know. It's
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really it's it's tougher than it seems to say to
your kids, like, don't do the thing that everybody's doing.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, I think there's a lot to it. I interviewed
Ben Shapiro on our site a couple of years ago,
and he runs a business somewhat. I think he still
has ownership and the company.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He said.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
The problem is is that businesses are not legally allowed
to make someone take an IQ test. SOW degree is
pretty much just one way to realize, Okay, this person
is capable of thinking. It pretty much is just key too, Okay,
this person is competent. And but I don't think a
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college degree ever necessarily can guarantee that someone is capable
of doing the job. Yes, they might be able to
pass some test.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
But I mean, I grew.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Up in a very, very small town and a lot
of my friends are truck drivers. They build barns, roofs, farmers,
and I find them much more independently minded than some
of my friends who went to grad school and our
accountants or teachers or professors. So I just don't buy
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into any of that at all. So I would not
I will never tell someone not to go to college,
because I think there are certain jobs that demand it.
But if you want to be a journalist and independent journalist, don't, right, I.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Would say, just start doing it and see how that
goes for you. Yeah, what do you worry about?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
So if you'd asked me this ten years ago, I
would have said everything I was. I worried about everything.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Can you look super young? Like I would be, like
ten years ago you were like ten, right.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So seventeen ten years ago, So yeah, I worried about everything,
But now I don't worry.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
About a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I would say, I think you worry that time is
limited with people you really care about that you're older, right, Like,
you can't guarantee that, and life takes you away from
them geographically, just time wise, So you wonder, Okay, you know,
are you spending your time wisely? Are you focusing too
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much on work? And maybe you should be visiting relatives.
I've had a lot of just sudden deaths in the family,
and every time it's eye opening of oh, you know,
maybe on that weekend I should have went to that
family or a union. I think you worry about things
that are out of your control. I mean, I never
worry about myself, honestly, I feel like, whatever happens, I'll
figure it out. But the things that you can't control,
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like somebody you know getting cancer or getting sick, or
dying in a car accident, I think those are things
that are always in the back of your mind.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What advice would you
give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Live in the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Right when somebody's upset, it's usually for one or two reasons.
They're worried about the future, or they regret something in
the past, they're worried that it's going to come up. Usually,
when you just live in the moment and don't think
about either the past or the present, I think you're
usually pretty happy. Right, There's very few times where I've
just been miserable in the moment.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
The times that I've been like.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Full of anxiety or worried or depressed, it's something that
happened before, or trying to make some hard decisions. So,
especially when you're sixteen, don't worry so much about the future,
because honestly, you're probably going to go on a path
that you didn't predict. I know I certainly didn't. Right.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's interesting because you said you were worrying ten years ago,
and that was seventeen. You know, when I think about
my sixteen year old self, that was a person free
of worried. I had nothing to worry about, you know,
I had parents who took care of me, and I
didn't have you know, I didn't have to do very
much other than go to school. But you were already
kind of pre worrying all your all your stuff from adulthood.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I think a lot of it is societal pressure too, Right.
You have these teachers who are like, hell, you got
to get a good SAT score to get into this college,
or you start to You have a lot of decisions
because when you're sixteen, you haven't really made real decisions. Yeah.
I think when you're sixteen seventeen, you start to make
some real decisions. Am I going to go to college?
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Should I get a job? Should I know, save money
for a car? Is it worth going to this party
at night? Like I think you just you start to
have to for the first time in your life calculate
is something worth it or not? It could be very distressing,
and it was for me.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah. Absolutely. Where did you grow up?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
A small small town called Peck, Michigan. I graduated Carol
with I think twenty five people.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Wow, that's your entire grade?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Am I tire grade? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Wow, that's crazy to go back a lot?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Not a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
There's not much there to go back to. There's a
big I guess, but no, there's just really not much there.
I grew up in a really small town. Never really
was interested in like the big city life. Well, I've
gotten to like it more over the past couple of years,
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I will admit.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What do you like about it?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The city life?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, I'm always curious about the transition, because, yeah, I
grew up in a city. I never knew anything else,
you know, I'm just curious how you go from small
town to the city and enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Well things A couple of things.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
One is like, so I'm not too far from Chicago,
and I know the reputation Chicago's awful. Like waking up
in a hotel and walking down and seeing the architecture,
the high rises, the skyscraper. I just think Chicago is beautiful.
You have the river, and there's so much to do,
especially in a city like that, and you can go
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to a sports bar one night, a comedy club the next.
I didn't have that growing up at all. I mean,
even to go to a Walmart was twenty five throwing drive.
So being able to walk somewhere and not have to
drive there is pretty unique to me.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Right Yeah, And I mean Chicago has some really good
cast roles that they call pizzas well.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So I have a hot take for you.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think Chicago pizza is better than New York pizza.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Here's what you stop that right now.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
New York pizza is not all that much different than
everyone else pizza, right, Chicago is different.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It's like if you're.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Going different, it's very very different.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, if you're going to plame superiority you might as
well go out your own way, right. It's like, yeah,
I in New York, I'm not like you in New
York pizza. I can get pizza anywhere, but if I
go to Chicago, I can't really get that anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I mean, sure, okay, Chicago's style of pizza, and then
what everybody else is selling is New York style pizza.
So they just stole New York style. It doesn't mean
that it's great everywhere else, just as well better.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I mean, it's like I'm thinking a good example. It's
like if you're going to go the red carpet, like
if you don't want to look like everyone else, you
want to be able to be remembered. We saw that
during the Grammar. So no, I uh, I'm pro Chicago pizza,
and I'm pro Chicago. Over in New York by the way,
I Chicago.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
These are some controversial opinions, and I'm you know, I'm
kind of sour on New York in the last few years,
but I mean, not not over chicgo. No, not worse
in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Look, I I.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Tell me everything, go ahead. I want to hear what
Chicago's great.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
So I think people are great So, first of all,
the view of New York is great. The view of
Chicago pretty similar. A lot fewer people in Chicago, so
you get to walk without all the people. They're not
peking on you, sneezing.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Eyes of freezing outside.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I like the cold. I like to call.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I know you're in Florida, in Florida. Yeah, I'm freezing
over here.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
People in Florida, they I mean, they think like fifty
degrees is freezing. I'm good as long as it's not
like ten. So go with the Chicago weather. The river,
beautiful river ride, Lincoln Park, awesome area.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
And also this is a real thing.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Despite you thinking, well, Chicago, there's all these taxi and
uber drivers. They're very bad at driving, the Chicago drivers.
Because there's a plus.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
This is there you need to go.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh, how you're saying New York's drivers. I thought you
were saying Chicago's Uber drivers are not that great.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Oh no, Chicago's Uber drivers are pretty good. The New
York ones not at all. I mean, just bad drivers.
Take a while. I've always missed something.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I feel like I'm like ten to fifteen minutes late,
and they don't believe me. But it actually is the
driver's fall. So yeah, I mean, check, check, check. I
don't know what.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, yeah, you know, I don't even know. Maybe I'll
give you Midwest drivers or better. But like we walk
in everywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
They're nicer people in the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Right, yeah, I mean, so, you know, I can't believe
I'm gonna have to be defending New York here, but
New York is the thing about New Yorkers are when
I was a New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We're not nice. We're good people, we do good things,
but we're not nice about it. Like, well, it's the
it's the whole. The image that people share is you know,
if a mom is standing with a stroller at the
bottom of a subway stairs, somebody will just come by,
grab her stroller, bring it up and not say one word,
like not even look at her as they do it.
So they're not polite, but they're good.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Well I've always said I think people the Northeast are
the most aggressive, most interesting. People in the Midwest are
the nicest. People in the South are the sweetest.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Does that all add up?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You believe that?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah? In the West, I don't really care that much
about Well.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Here's what they're doing out there like Left Coast whatever.
I'm sorry everybody, you know, listeners. I didn't expect to
go through such a controversial take, but you know, this
is this is what happens sometimes guests, you know, go
their own way.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Well, I mean, look, some people say that a lot
of my opinion as they think are the minority. But
I think the Chicago pizza one might be my most polarizing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I could see that absolutely well, Bobby, I've loved this
conversation except the part where you talk about Chicago being
better than New York. Leave us here with your best
tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Okay, okay, besides get out of New York, right besides yeah,
best tip, I would say, do what makes you happy. Right, Like,
at the end of the day, no one ever regrets
a time that made them happy. You regret things you
missed out, things that went wrong. But if going to
(25:43):
an event or moving or hanging out with a friend,
or I don't know, breaking up with somebody and finding
someone new or just whatever it is, I think, chase happiness.
Don't chase money, don't chase approval, don't chase status.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Chase happiness.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Love it. Thank you so much. Here is Bobby Barak
check him out at out Kid. Thank you so much,
Bobby for coming on.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowit Show.
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