March 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Clay and Buck discussing the cultural shift and the political landscape, emphasizing the strong position of the Republican Party and the challenges faced by Democrats. They delve into the disastrous reception of Disney's new Snow White movie, highlighting its significant financial loss and the broader implications for Hollywood's woke agenda. Snow White or Snow Woke? The hosts critique the decision to replace dwarf actors with CGI and the changes made to the iconic story, arguing that these choices reflect a misguided attempt to modernize beloved classics. In this hour, Clay and Buck also explore the impact of woke culture on other franchises, such as Star Wars and Marvel, noting how these changes have alienated long-time fans. They discuss the importance of maintaining the integrity of original stories and the universal appeal of great narratives. The conversation includes listener calls and talkbacks, with fans sharing their thoughts on the cultural and political topics discussed. The hosts emphasize the need for authenticity in storytelling and the dangers of prioritizing political correctness over quality content. Additionally, Clay and Buck touch on the broader societal implications of these cultural shifts, including the rise of conservative values among young men and the backlash against woke policies. They highlight the importance of standing up to internal pressures within companies like Disney and the need for a return to traditional storytelling that resonates with audiences. Biggest box office bombs in history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour of Clay end Book kicks off
right now. Thanks for being here with us, everybody. I'm
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Go check that out. And I sit here and I
think that the cultural shift. We've been talking a lot
about the political shift, and the numbers speak to that
with tremendous clarity. There's never been a worse time for
the Democrat Party in our lifetime, and Republicans are probably
in the strongest position they've ever been in our lifetime.
(01:01):
Thank you Trump, Trump's team, the people around him, the
Republicans who have rallied towards sanity, those of us who
stood strong during COVID. I mean, you know, there are
a lot of hands, all of you supporting this show
and supporting the show for thirty plus years before that
by being a part of the army of patriots that
Rush Limbaugh created and brought together. So you know, there's
(01:24):
a lot that's gone into this. But we are at
a peak moment right now, and we are even seeing
it reflected, not just in the fortunes of the Republican
Party and of the downfall of what used to be
called by many the mainstream media. I agree with those
who say we shouldn't call them that, why are they
mainstream the Democrat corporate media, but also in the cultural
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side of things, there are changes happening. We will not
get into White Lotus right now, because I don't think
that many of you watch it, and I don't want
to argue with Clay about whether it's worth continued to
watch White Lotus. After the most recent episode, I was
pretty horrified. I'm just gonna say I'm I looked at Carrie.
I'm like, I don't think I can do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It is clear that I have a darker sensibility when
it comes to television, like I can put up with
more than you or producer Ali can. When it comes
to to down the rabbit hole crazy, I.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Do not do well with. You know, maybe my mind
is more like a delicate flower these days when it
comes to my content at entertainment. I don't like things
that are too violent. I don't like things that are
too body. Perhaps is that the right word. I got
him to choke on his crocket. I got him to
choke on his Crockett coffee. Look at that. That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Almost sp my crocket coffee out everywhere? Body. Were you
born in nineteen twenty four?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know, I'm just saying sometimes, you know, some of
us are more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And sometimes there's too many bus there's too many bus,
some glasses in the television shows of late that you're watching.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, a bunch of a bunch of ladies out there
being a little too little, too free skill on the
television for my liking. So you know, it's a little
too life.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
See, I will say this my wife has had to
deal with for the past twenty years. Every time there's
an HBO show, you know, they give a content warning
before the show, and it'll say like there's nudity, and
I'll be like, yes, because it used to be I
literally pumped my fists like yes, this is gonna be
a good show.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
My wife's had to deal with this for.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Twenty years of late, all of the nudity I see
in my shows is male. I don't know when they
flip when they it's not not anywhere near as enjoyable.
I will say, used to be, almost all nudity was female.
The last like have you noticed this, Like the last
three or four years in quote unquote prestige television, it's
always naked guys now, and a lot of it is
(03:45):
not very enjoyable. So I'm not In the first fifteen
years of HBO shows, it was like, Okay, probably gonna
be some good look at naked girls in this show.
I'm excited even more Now not a lot more nude
guys not as enjoyable for me.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So let's talk snow White. Snow White was at one
point the first, I believe, the first full length animated
feature released in theaters back in nineteen thirty seven, am I.
If I get any of these wrong, team, let me know.
It was wildly popular and the you know, the Disney
(04:23):
so much of I think like the the Disney really
had two things going for it for a long time.
People love the parks. Fine another parks have become very
expensive now, but people love the parks and they love
the animated those those animated features. I mean, I grew
up and we've all seen I think ninety what do
you think ninety five percent of our listeners have seen
(04:43):
the original snow White, the original cartoon. I would be
if you have, you would be I don't know how
you wouldn't have seen it, right, I mean, and if
you didn't see it when you were a kid, you
have kids, you've seen it, right, So and it's really
an iconic It's an iconic animated film, and I think
Disney had a number of these over the years, you know,
Sleeping Beauty. I actually really liked some of you are
(05:05):
going to laugh, but I really liked the Robin Hood
with Robinhood as a fox. Do you hear what I'm
talking about? As a cartoon?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh? I love that Growing up Peter Pan your favorite
along with Robin.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Great animation, great music, great stories, and this is stuff
that everyone really celebrates. This is a really amazing part
of American culture.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Let me hit you with a detail that will bring
home how profitable snow White was. And you may have
had I was reading because I wanted to do my
research on this too. Snow White, adjusted for inflation dollars,
basically made the Walt Disney Company Disney. Walt Disney mortgaged
his own home to be able to finish producing snow
(05:50):
White because it was so expensive at that point in
time to make an animated film. It made four billion dollars. Okay,
let me repeat that because the Bee four billion dollars
in modern American money. So this thing was so outrageously
popular that it basically funded Disneyland eventually Disney World. This
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was what put Disney on the map as a global
corporation that was capable of churning out incredible content. This
was what they created, the animation studios, everything. So it
is not only beloved buck, it is one of the greatest,
most successful commercial art products in the history of the
(06:35):
United States.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, that puts it into context very well. And I
remember I saw with my parents in the theaters. Lion King, Oh, Aladdin,
Beauty and the Beast. Beauty the Beast is a great movie.
It's a great any animated. It was actually nominated for
Best Picture, not Best Animated Feature, Best Movie the year
that it came out. The music is excellent. Look. I
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know some people cartoons aren't their thing, but I think
cartoons out. I actually think cartoon can be really impressive
and amazing if they're done well. I like the old cartoons,
even with bugs bunnies, but put bugs bunny. Put that aside. Clay,
this new Disney. If you and I sat here scripting
out a way to ruin Disney to do a like
(07:17):
a farce or as send up if you will, of Wokeness,
I don't know if we could have done better than this.
They have changed. There's a whole listing of all these
things they've changed. They have changed the dwarfs and this
is okay. I think this is my favorite part of this.
First of all, it made forty million dollars opening weekend,
which is an absolute abject disaster. As we've talked about here,
(07:38):
all the movies money comes in the first month, and
a lot of it needs to come in the first
weekend for momentum. Remember, people haven't seen it. Now people
have seen it, they say it stinks, they say it's trash.
So next week it's going to be worse, and the
weekend after that's gonna be worse. This is gonna cost
Disney hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, one all said
hundreds of millions of dollars of pure loss on this.
(07:59):
But the what is your favorite thing about the change
they made that they wouldn't use actual dwarf actors because
Peter Dinklic, who had probably the greatest dwarf role of
all time in Game of Throw a good job in it,
but I think, you know, a little too little, too
high on his own stuff here, a little too big,
big for his breeches. Literally he yeah, he decided, he
(08:25):
decided that it was weird and out of date to
have actual dwarves play dwarves, so they replaced them with
CGI dwarves and dwarf actors out there, and there are
dwarf actors out there.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Are were fear and I totally agree with them.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Furious about this because this is like the chance of
a lifetime to be in a globally, you know, resonating
film as a dwarf actor. It's like they this is
wokeness just eating itself.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They could have made a movie that was a ninety
years based later, a nostalgic recreation of the spirit that
imbued the original snow White, which made the Disney Corporation possible.
But because they have decided that they need to be
(09:16):
woke Disney, they created an awful version of a movie
that many people would have loved, of all races and
all backgrounds. And I think this is going to be
seen I think you said it well at the end
of the last hour. I think this is going to
be seen as a cultural signpost of what woke can
(09:37):
do to great Americana. And Disney has to a large extent,
destroyed Star Wars by trying to wokeify it. As Look,
I don't begrudge any story that is like Lost. Lost
was a great television show back in the day. It
also happened to have a diverse set of characters, but
(10:00):
it fit the story right. It's an airplane that crashes
on an island. It would make sense that the airplane
would be filled with a cross section of American life, right, yeah,
the airplane wasn't coming from Finland, like, yes, there could
be lots of different kinds of people on the plane.
So the idea that snow White needs to be replaced
with a Latina actress, or that Captain America needs to
(10:23):
be replaced with a black actor, or that you need
to somehow decide that you are going to change the
historic relevancy of a show because it doesn't meet modern
day standards of diversity, I think is going up in smoke.
And the example I'll give of this that I think
is actually the worst two of them Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I I've made it clear that I'm not a huge
fan of musicals, Okay, but I don't like the idea of, hey,
We're going to make American historical figures different races because
races are so inconsequential. Okay, When is the Country and
Western version of the Obama administration going to occur with
Blake Shelton playing Barack Obama?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right? When? Why is it that in Hamilton the one
bad guy is the only whit white guy the King
of Why can't the King of England be black? What
am I missing?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And this?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But what's the messaging there? Everybody, you know, I do
look at these things, well, what's the message they're telling
people with this?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And then what is the pride and prejudice or what's
the Bridgerton I think is the show that's on Netflix
and it's about seventeenth and eighteenth century England, except there
are all these different races that are playing the British actors.
I'm sorry, I can't. I can't even pay attention to
that show because I'm like, well, it's set in seventeen
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eighties England. These are white people, right, Like in the
same way if you give me a story about Nigeria
in sixteen forty and there's a bunch of white people
playing black people, I mean, like, I don't. I can't
get into this story. It's so flagrantly historically inaccurate.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know. I was trying to watch on that I
love historically. My brothers make fun of me. They always say,
if there's like beard, swords and meat drinking, I'll like it,
you know, which is pretty much true. Like I like
anything that's you know, historical piece European history. I love Gladiator,
I love Brave Heart, I love those kinds of things.
And I tried to watch on Netflix. This show, the
(12:25):
Viking Show, and there was a yarl, which is like
an earl or a prince or whatever in Vikings. In
the I guess it was the ninth you know, ninth century,
the eight hundreds. It's a black woman who's the who's
cast as the head of this vibe, and it's supposed
to be like a historic these are real people's names.
Is she supposed to be black or are you not
supposed to notice that she's black? I think I only
(12:47):
watch the first episode. I think you're just not supposed
to notice, Like it's just, oh, like, we've made her
a black female, and you made him it was actually
a guy obviously who was the yarl. So you make
it a female, and you make it a black female
because you think Clay pep are so sick of this
to the point you're making Game of Thrones another show
very diverse. Nobody has a problem with diverse characters in
(13:08):
whether it's fiction or even fantasy genre. That's fine. But
when you're setting something in a historical context, you know
you would think that there are some basic authenticity components
of it that you would likely if you're setting a
show in Iceland, in you know, the year one thousand,
you're not going to have a lot of Latinos. You're
just not going to have them. Like, it's not a
(13:29):
knock on latinos. They liked being warm, they were not
in Iceland.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
If we watched a story about the Civil War, my
favorite part in history, and there was a character playing
Frederick Douglas and it was a white woman, I would
be like, you know, this has taken me a little
outside of the story because Frederick Douglas was a black guy, right, Like,
some level of historical accuracy for historic fact seems necessary
to me. And this is an example of what Disney
(13:55):
has done. I think they have taken something that people
loved and decided that they needed to make it more
expansive when everybody already loved it right well, also they
and the way we didn't even get into all the
different ways. So first, the Dwarves are CGI, which is
I also think CGI in general ruins movies. I think
it should be used very sparingly. To me, it's like
drops on a radio show, like you can use them
(14:17):
here and there, but it can't be you know, like
like if you have you know, you know what I'm
talking about. If you have a radio show that's all
just sound effects all the time. You start to be
like that, you know that Kramer guy on the with
the uh uh, you know the Finance show. Whatever's like
Hong Kong Hong konk I mean, it's just too much.
You gotta be very sparing with your CGI. So that's
what CGI dwarfs horrible idea. They changed the music. They've
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changed the musical numbers from basically the most successful on
screen musical of all time close to it maybe maybe
like the Sound of Music or you know, Gone with
the Wind. But they change the music, which is which
is madness.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I must just say this. This woman is playing
the Disney Princess. She just doesn't look like it. She's
just not that pretty. She doesn't look like a Disney princess.
I don't know, you know, am I am I alone
in this one?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I think if they had put Sidney Sweeney in as
snow White, it would have made a billion dollars. Yes,
I mean, just give me a really pretty white chick
and let her actually play the role of snow White.
I mean the crazy thing to.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Be a really pretty, a really pretty chick, like I
just don't think this woman is Disney princess material.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm sorry, how about the fact saying gal Gadou is
way better looking and way more looks like snow White,
but she's the evil princess.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yes, yes, that's a weird decision too, Right, she's Disney
princess kind of material. And and you you know, if
you're just she was wonderful. Okay, you're allowed to want
pretty people to play the Disney princess or the queen
or whatever. So let's take some take some let's take
some snow White calls here. I'm sure people will be
fired up about this, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
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Speaker 1 (15:53):
Maybe they need to start doing some.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Historic pop culture classes, because my thing, buck is, if
everybody already loves something, maybe do something similar to that again, right, Like, hey,
it's pretty successful. We've built the most successful animated film
of all time. Maybe people are just actually very fond
(16:16):
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and your talkbacks. The biggest box office bombs in history,
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Stealth two thousand and five, adjusted for inflation, lost one
hundred and fifty five million dollars. That was when Jessica
Biel was really at her at her absolute peak, and
that did not help. She ended up marrying justin Timberlake,
so I guess she did okay, but that did not
help her career. I'm trying to see who else is
on this list of notable There's a lot of them,
(19:31):
and the thing is, I think all of the movies
that are on the bomb list are are terrible. So
that's the thing. It's not there The Adventures of Pluto
Nash two thousand and two, Eddie Murphy one hundred and
sixty eight million dollar loss adjusted for inflation. That may
that's like a top contender for all time losses. Play
(19:52):
Heaven's Gate nineteen eighty. I've never seen that. I don't
even know who's I think it's a Western kind of
some kind of like a Western on the prairies, pioneer
movie or something. Do you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I've heard the name of the title, but I
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, there's there's a bunch of these, a lot of
them I've never even really heard of.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I'll tell you one and again. I think it's important
to adjust these things for inflation. And if you're wondering,
it's because.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Danna Jones and The Dial of Destiny one hundred and
fifty million dollar loss. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I went and saw it. It was not great Cleopatra
with Elizabeth Taylor. Fox lost Twentieth Century. Fox lost so
much money on that movie that they had to sell
off part of the movie lot. If you're in La
right now and you wonder like the whole Century City development,
the Westfield Mall, all of that area. They lost so
(20:44):
much money making the Cleopatra movie that they had to
sell off acres of the studio. Cutthroat Island nineteen ninety five,
which is I think Matthew Modine and Geena Davis lost
two hundred and seventeen million dollars and goes down with
the ignominious distinction of being the only movie in history
(21:06):
that it is believed to have brought down the studio.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Bankrupted the studio.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That is, that's when you're that's when you got a
lot of money at stake. A couple of ones that
I remember, and we're talking about this in the context
of the Disney Snow Snow White disaster water World, Remember
Kevin Costner, that was like one of the all time losers.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's an asterisk though, because my understanding is that they
made the sets for real out on the water and
there was a big storm and destroyed everything that they
had made. So that was a rough one and I
don't know if they really had the insurance they needed
for it. So because that movie is not good, have
you seen it? Yeah, it is not good, but it
is not awful. I would say it is like it
(21:51):
is a set almost watchable not quite watchable, wild Wild West.
Will Smith movie was supposedly an unmitigated disaster. But a
lot of these have two things in common.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
One is their big risks, like Kevin Costner, I'm gonna
build a water world. Frankly, James Cameron has has panned
out with a lot of what he has done. But
you know, when you do The Titanic, it's not exactly
a cheap thing to make. When you make what's the
movies that have made so much money the Avatars, billions
of dollars on those big swings. Okay, you shouldn't lose
(22:30):
massive amounts of money remaking something that everyone wants, like
that's the entire purpose of the remake is you can't
lose that the way you have a ten plath on this,
you can't lose money.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They think West Side Story in twenty twenty one lost
one hundred and twenty million dollars adjusted for inflation. To bot,
how do you how do you make a West Side
Story remake that totally bombs? That's I don't even know
how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well, I would have told you a musical on television. Now,
they did make a lot of money on Wicked, but
in Chicago. Chicago was a big hit West Side story
is what's sixty seventy years old? Are there tons of
people out there clamoring to go see that? I would
have called that into question. The snow White failure is
(23:16):
to me again, why I think it's so fascinating is
I think it represents an era. Everybody loved snow White.
You find a pretty girl, you cast her as snow White.
If you're deciding to do remakes live action, which I
think is you know it's lazy, right, Like do we
(23:38):
really need to see a live action remake of The
Lion King, which is mostly CGI because it's got animals
in it. But you create this disaster and it's so
foreseeable and it follows buck in Everybody loves Star Wars.
Let's light Star Wars on Fire. Everybody they built the
(24:00):
Marvel franchise up and then they lit it on fire.
It's like they can't figure out how to go once
the Infinity War Avengers in game thing ended. It's like
everything has been on the backside of that a disaster.
I just and the Newest, the Newest Indiana Jones people
had issues with. I went and watched it, but you
(24:21):
took what made Indiana Jones great, his rugged individuality, and
you instead brought in a girl boss who was like
leading Indiana Jones around. And a lot of people said,
I watch Indiana Jones because he's the badass. I don't
need like a new character to be the leader here.
James in Texas wants to weigh in about Disney. James welcome,
(24:47):
you know.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And the thing about it is is Disney would have
already known that the projected opening weekend for snow Watt
was going to be bad because they based it off
of pre ticket sales, so they are he knew this
as of a couple of weeks ago, and I believe
I saw on the news as of last week that
it was put before the Disney board to slow down
(25:10):
or make changes to their DEI slash Wop program. And
the board turned that down. They said keep it the same.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, thank you, Micall. I'm not sure about that. I
will tell you, Buck, this ties in pretty well with
what I've seen with the rise of OutKick. Everybody loves sports,
how about just show sports, you know, like, let's just
have sports highlights and debate who the best is or
whatever else. Let's not have arguments about politics on ESPN
(25:40):
would be an easy fix. I think, Yeah, Disney share
this is Fox Business. A few days ago, our caller,
I think is refernd to this is correct. Disney shareholders
widely voted against a proposal to reconsider participation in the
Corporate Equality Index. So this is an anti DEI proposal
that came up and they didn't. Now we can get
into some of the details about this, but well a
(26:01):
lot of times with those proposals, the reality is the
and this is like diving.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
We're getting into proxy voting now and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, it's not most individuals voting. It's the large, often
left wing. Uh, this is where Vivek has gone. Black
creat culture, black rock, all this different black rock. Sorry, yeah, Alan,
in South Carolina, you went and saw the new snow White.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
So so, my wife and I were screening the film
before we showed it to our children. And the best
way I can summarize the way I feel about it is,
you know, it felt like I was watching the end
of Planet of the Apes over and over and over again,
just this gut wretching, awful feeling. So you and how
old are you Allen, I'm thirty seven. So you and
and how many kids do you have? Two?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Okay, so you and your wife on a date night
were like, Hey, we're gonna go watch snow White before
we take our kids to see it, which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
This was a reconnaissance reconnaissance mission.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
But the fact that you would think compelled to go
to a Disney movie to see it first to see
whether or not you could take your kids probably not
a great branding side for Disney. Did your wife feel
the same way as you? What was her take?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
She did?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I fortunately married a very conservative woman. But it's it
is really sad. We almost have to go on and
collect intel from the movie prior to, you know, exposing
it to our children.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, it's crazy, thank you. I mean, in nineteen thirty seven,
do you think anybody was out there like, hey, I
don't know if we can trust Disney to go watch
snow White? To your point, Buck, hey, Robin Hood, is
this going to be too salacious? Is this going to
be too political for me to take my kid? Peter
Pan like Dumbo, whatever you want to point to. Do
you think that in the nineteen fifties and sixties and
(27:43):
even when we were growing up in the eighties and
nineties with Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin and all
those movies that there were any you might have been concerned,
are they a little bit too scary for young kids?
Those kind of things, But nobody was like, Hey, I
gotta worry about what the messaging is.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
But you know, there's there's also something that's been lost
here in the creative industries, notably what we see in movies,
but also TV and and it's that a great story.
There's something universal in the humanity of a great story.
People just want great stories. They want they want good
guys and bad guys. They want you know, heroes and princesses.
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They want triumph, they want trials and tribulation. You know
that they want the the the you know, right hand
best friend of the hero to come through in the moment.
I mean these things. And whether you set the story
in medieval Europe or you set the story in you know,
(28:41):
Southeast Asia or Central Africa, if it's a great story,
it's a great story. And we don't you know that.
That's that's what I find so so annoying about this.
I mean, you see, they have something that should be
viewed as you. What I'm trying to say is snow
White should be you to view it as something that
is a universal cultural phenomenon. That's why what you can enjoy.
(29:04):
That's where this is. Everyone can enjoy. Mozart is for everybody.
That's the great thing. It doesn't matter where Mozart was from. Ultimately,
the music is for everybody and for all perpetuity the
human race, and we should all enjoy it. We should all.
Don't even get me started about how incredible Mozart is.
Point is, they do this thing now where it's like
(29:24):
they're keeping score. Oh, we've had too many, you know,
there have been too many musicians or too many authors
from this place or that country, or of this skin
color or that gender, and so we have to do
other things now they don't. Actually, that doesn't work, and
they don't have to do that because we can all
appreciate the art for what it is. And that's where
I think I think so much of this falls apart.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's why for me, Star Wars and now the Disney
movies are perfect examples of this. You had one of
the most successful movies in the history of the world
in Snow White. To your point buck. At least ninety
five percent of this audience have seen it, either as
kids yourselves, or as parents or as grandparents. You had
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a built in audience that loved it, and then you're
trying to make it for a new generation. Well, wait
a minute, it's already been made and everybody loves it.
The remake idea in general doesn't make sense. But if
you're going to remake something, then remake it basically the
exact same story, because Snow White is transcendent in many
(30:30):
ways as a story, and the same thing is true
of Star Wars. I understand characters age out, but the
idea that Star Wars wasn't expansive enough in its audience.
It's the most expansive successful series in the history of
the world. Probably, is there anything that's made more money
(30:52):
than Star Wars from a movie perspective A series maybe
James Bond, just because they've made way more of them.
But basically Star Wars is the it's lucrative movie franchise
of all time. That's a sign that it's working really
well and that you don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Would be my suggestion.
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weigh in on a variety of different topics. You can
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listens to all of them. Let's go to cc in Youngstown, Ohio.
That's News Radio five seventy wanting to talk about the
(33:18):
eighteen year old's breaking conservative cc I can.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Offer some confirmation of seventeen year old and eighteen year
old boys breaking for Trump. I have a senior in
high school, eighteen years old. He and his friends, most
of his friends broke really hard for Trump and or
big Trump supporters, even if they couldn't vote, and they
are going to be a force in these next couple
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of elections.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That's what I see, Buck, That's what I've seen with
my own boys, seventeen year old, fourteen year old, all
the friends that are around them. These young boys growing
into men, are fed up with the era that they
have been raised in, this girl Boss covid woke era.
They're just over it. Marcopa, Arizona Holly KFYI listener wants
(34:10):
to weigh in as well.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
Dd Hey, Clay Holly from Maricopa, Arizona. The whole reason
that Tim Wallas is talking about being masculine is attributed
to you. You're the one that said there were no
masculine men left in the Democrat Party. So they listen
to you. They're coming out and trying to prove themselves.
(34:32):
Let it go, Clay, Ah.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I like the laugh there at the end that did
go megaviral, And I do think there's some element there
potentially of truth that they're responding to that because they
talked about it on CNN, and that echoed, I think
are resonated in Democrat circles.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And it does take a man who is particularly comfortable
in his masculinity to be all over the internet playing
the flute shirtless, which is right, pretty astonishing, you know,
I mean, you know, that's that's high stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
A lot of you did amazing memes of me and
Trump on Air Force one involving me playing the flute.
Gayan in New York City w o R talked about
West Side Story. I didn't realize this. Did you know this?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Buck ee? Hey, it's gay in Manhattan.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
You just trashed a West Side story which lost a
lot of money. News flash, it starred Rachel Zegler.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Wait, hold on, hold on important point. But we did
not trash West Side Story. I just said that it bombed.
I didn't see the West Side Story. I think the
West Side Story of musical is great for I'm not
a big musical guy, but you know, point being, I
did not know Rachel Ziegler was in that as well.
That is a pretty remarkable resume she's building up, you know,
(35:48):
she's somebody's niece, like, how is she getting these gigs?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Great question? Great question, And I have no idea. But again,
this movie is potentially based on the numbers, going to
lose hundreds of millions of dollars, So I do think
it's a sort of a cardinal signpost from making four
billion to losing hundreds of millions the snow White story.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What changes the dynamic inside of this Disney is still
a cultural phenomenon in this country. Disney is a holdout here.
If they lose enough money on this, will it change
or what has to change for Disney to stop the
woke garbage?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think they have to stand up to their employees
because I think this is a lot of it's coming internal.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You remember when they started bragging about how they needed
to have trans influence stories and everything else. This is
internal and the internal Disney employees do not reflect what
the external marketplace wants, and at some point in time
that becomes unholy purely from a business perspective, And I
think you're saying that with Snow White
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Go check that out. And I sit here and I
think that the cultural shift. We've been talking a lot
about the political shift, and the numbers speak to that
with tremendous clarity. There's never been a worse time for
the Democrat Party in our lifetime, and Republicans are probably
in the strongest position they've ever been in our lifetime.
(01:01):
Thank you Trump, Trump's team, the people around him, the
Republicans who have rallied towards sanity, those of us who
stood strong during COVID. I mean, you know, there are
a lot of hands, all of you supporting this show
and supporting the show for thirty plus years before that
by being a part of the army of patriots that
Rush Limbaugh created and brought together. So you know, there's
(01:24):
a lot that's gone into this. But we are at
a peak moment right now, and we are even seeing
it reflected, not just in the fortunes of the Republican
Party and of the downfall of what used to be
called by many the mainstream media. I agree with those
who say we shouldn't call them that, why are they
mainstream the Democrat corporate media, but also in the cultural
(01:46):
side of things, there are changes happening. We will not
get into White Lotus right now, because I don't think
that many of you watch it, and I don't want
to argue with Clay about whether it's worth continued to
watch White Lotus. After the most recent episode, I was
pretty horrified. I'm just gonna say I'm I looked at Carrie.
I'm like, I don't think I can do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It is clear that I have a darker sensibility when
it comes to television, like I can put up with
more than you or producer Ali can. When it comes
to to down the rabbit hole crazy, I.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Do not do well with. You know, maybe my mind
is more like a delicate flower these days when it
comes to my content at entertainment. I don't like things
that are too violent. I don't like things that are
too body. Perhaps is that the right word. I got
him to choke on his crocket. I got him to
choke on his Crockett coffee. Look at that. That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Almost sp my crocket coffee out everywhere? Body. Were you
born in nineteen twenty four?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know, I'm just saying sometimes, you know, some of
us are more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And sometimes there's too many bus there's too many bus,
some glasses in the television shows of late that you're watching.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, a bunch of a bunch of ladies out there
being a little too little, too free skill on the
television for my liking. So you know, it's a little
too life.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
See, I will say this my wife has had to
deal with for the past twenty years. Every time there's
an HBO show, you know, they give a content warning
before the show, and it'll say like there's nudity, and
I'll be like, yes, because it used to be I
literally pumped my fists like yes, this is gonna be
a good show.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
My wife's had to deal with this for.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Twenty years of late, all of the nudity I see
in my shows is male. I don't know when they
flip when they it's not not anywhere near as enjoyable.
I will say, used to be, almost all nudity was female.
The last like have you noticed this, Like the last
three or four years in quote unquote prestige television, it's
always naked guys now, and a lot of it is
(03:45):
not very enjoyable. So I'm not In the first fifteen
years of HBO shows, it was like, Okay, probably gonna
be some good look at naked girls in this show.
I'm excited even more Now not a lot more nude
guys not as enjoyable for me.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So let's talk snow White. Snow White was at one
point the first, I believe, the first full length animated
feature released in theaters back in nineteen thirty seven, am I.
If I get any of these wrong, team, let me know.
It was wildly popular and the you know, the Disney
(04:23):
so much of I think like the the Disney really
had two things going for it for a long time.
People love the parks. Fine another parks have become very
expensive now, but people love the parks and they love
the animated those those animated features. I mean, I grew
up and we've all seen I think ninety what do
you think ninety five percent of our listeners have seen
(04:43):
the original snow White, the original cartoon. I would be
if you have, you would be I don't know how
you wouldn't have seen it, right, I mean, and if
you didn't see it when you were a kid, you
have kids, you've seen it, right, So and it's really
an iconic It's an iconic animated film, and I think
Disney had a number of these over the years, you know,
Sleeping Beauty. I actually really liked some of you are
(05:05):
going to laugh, but I really liked the Robin Hood
with Robinhood as a fox. Do you hear what I'm
talking about? As a cartoon?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh? I love that Growing up Peter Pan your favorite
along with Robin.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Great animation, great music, great stories, and this is stuff
that everyone really celebrates. This is a really amazing part
of American culture.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Let me hit you with a detail that will bring
home how profitable snow White was. And you may have
had I was reading because I wanted to do my
research on this too. Snow White, adjusted for inflation dollars,
basically made the Walt Disney Company Disney. Walt Disney mortgaged
his own home to be able to finish producing snow
(05:50):
White because it was so expensive at that point in
time to make an animated film. It made four billion dollars. Okay,
let me repeat that because the Bee four billion dollars
in modern American money. So this thing was so outrageously
popular that it basically funded Disneyland eventually Disney World. This
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was what put Disney on the map as a global
corporation that was capable of churning out incredible content. This
was what they created, the animation studios, everything. So it
is not only beloved buck, it is one of the greatest,
most successful commercial art products in the history of the
(06:35):
United States.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, that puts it into context very well. And I
remember I saw with my parents in the theaters. Lion King, Oh, Aladdin,
Beauty and the Beast. Beauty the Beast is a great movie.
It's a great any animated. It was actually nominated for
Best Picture, not Best Animated Feature, Best Movie the year
that it came out. The music is excellent. Look. I
(06:56):
know some people cartoons aren't their thing, but I think
cartoons out. I actually think cartoon can be really impressive
and amazing if they're done well. I like the old cartoons,
even with bugs bunnies, but put bugs bunny. Put that aside. Clay,
this new Disney. If you and I sat here scripting
out a way to ruin Disney to do a like
(07:17):
a farce or as send up if you will, of Wokeness,
I don't know if we could have done better than this.
They have changed. There's a whole listing of all these
things they've changed. They have changed the dwarfs and this
is okay. I think this is my favorite part of this.
First of all, it made forty million dollars opening weekend,
which is an absolute abject disaster. As we've talked about here,
(07:38):
all the movies money comes in the first month, and
a lot of it needs to come in the first
weekend for momentum. Remember, people haven't seen it. Now people
have seen it, they say it stinks, they say it's trash.
So next week it's going to be worse, and the
weekend after that's gonna be worse. This is gonna cost
Disney hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, one all said
hundreds of millions of dollars of pure loss on this.
(07:59):
But the what is your favorite thing about the change
they made that they wouldn't use actual dwarf actors because
Peter Dinklic, who had probably the greatest dwarf role of
all time in Game of Throw a good job in it,
but I think, you know, a little too little, too
high on his own stuff here, a little too big,
big for his breeches. Literally he yeah, he decided, he
(08:25):
decided that it was weird and out of date to
have actual dwarves play dwarves, so they replaced them with
CGI dwarves and dwarf actors out there, and there are
dwarf actors out there.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Are were fear and I totally agree with them.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Furious about this because this is like the chance of
a lifetime to be in a globally, you know, resonating
film as a dwarf actor. It's like they this is
wokeness just eating itself.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They could have made a movie that was a ninety
years based later, a nostalgic recreation of the spirit that
imbued the original snow White, which made the Disney Corporation possible.
But because they have decided that they need to be
(09:16):
woke Disney, they created an awful version of a movie
that many people would have loved, of all races and
all backgrounds. And I think this is going to be
seen I think you said it well at the end
of the last hour. I think this is going to
be seen as a cultural signpost of what woke can
(09:37):
do to great Americana. And Disney has to a large extent,
destroyed Star Wars by trying to wokeify it. As Look,
I don't begrudge any story that is like Lost. Lost
was a great television show back in the day. It
also happened to have a diverse set of characters, but
(10:00):
it fit the story right. It's an airplane that crashes
on an island. It would make sense that the airplane
would be filled with a cross section of American life, right, yeah,
the airplane wasn't coming from Finland, like, yes, there could
be lots of different kinds of people on the plane.
So the idea that snow White needs to be replaced
with a Latina actress, or that Captain America needs to
(10:23):
be replaced with a black actor, or that you need
to somehow decide that you are going to change the
historic relevancy of a show because it doesn't meet modern
day standards of diversity, I think is going up in smoke.
And the example I'll give of this that I think
is actually the worst two of them Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I I've made it clear that I'm not a huge
fan of musicals, Okay, but I don't like the idea of, hey,
We're going to make American historical figures different races because
races are so inconsequential. Okay, When is the Country and
Western version of the Obama administration going to occur with
Blake Shelton playing Barack Obama?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right? When? Why is it that in Hamilton the one
bad guy is the only whit white guy the King
of Why can't the King of England be black? What
am I missing?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And this?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But what's the messaging there? Everybody, you know, I do
look at these things, well, what's the message they're telling
people with this?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And then what is the pride and prejudice or what's
the Bridgerton I think is the show that's on Netflix
and it's about seventeenth and eighteenth century England, except there
are all these different races that are playing the British actors.
I'm sorry, I can't. I can't even pay attention to
that show because I'm like, well, it's set in seventeen
(11:47):
eighties England. These are white people, right, Like in the
same way if you give me a story about Nigeria
in sixteen forty and there's a bunch of white people
playing black people, I mean, like, I don't. I can't
get into this story. It's so flagrantly historically inaccurate.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know. I was trying to watch on that I
love historically. My brothers make fun of me. They always say,
if there's like beard, swords and meat drinking, I'll like it,
you know, which is pretty much true. Like I like
anything that's you know, historical piece European history. I love Gladiator,
I love Brave Heart, I love those kinds of things.
And I tried to watch on Netflix. This show, the
(12:25):
Viking Show, and there was a yarl, which is like
an earl or a prince or whatever in Vikings. In
the I guess it was the ninth you know, ninth century,
the eight hundreds. It's a black woman who's the who's
cast as the head of this vibe, and it's supposed
to be like a historic these are real people's names.
Is she supposed to be black or are you not
supposed to notice that she's black? I think I only
(12:47):
watch the first episode. I think you're just not supposed
to notice, Like it's just, oh, like, we've made her
a black female, and you made him it was actually
a guy obviously who was the yarl. So you make
it a female, and you make it a black female
because you think Clay pep are so sick of this
to the point you're making Game of Thrones another show
very diverse. Nobody has a problem with diverse characters in
(13:08):
whether it's fiction or even fantasy genre. That's fine. But
when you're setting something in a historical context, you know
you would think that there are some basic authenticity components
of it that you would likely if you're setting a
show in Iceland, in you know, the year one thousand,
you're not going to have a lot of Latinos. You're
just not going to have them. Like, it's not a
(13:29):
knock on latinos. They liked being warm, they were not
in Iceland.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
If we watched a story about the Civil War, my
favorite part in history, and there was a character playing
Frederick Douglas and it was a white woman, I would
be like, you know, this has taken me a little
outside of the story because Frederick Douglas was a black guy, right, Like,
some level of historical accuracy for historic fact seems necessary
to me. And this is an example of what Disney
(13:55):
has done. I think they have taken something that people
loved and decided that they needed to make it more
expansive when everybody already loved it right well, also they
and the way we didn't even get into all the
different ways. So first, the Dwarves are CGI, which is
I also think CGI in general ruins movies. I think
it should be used very sparingly. To me, it's like
drops on a radio show, like you can use them
(14:17):
here and there, but it can't be you know, like
like if you have you know, you know what I'm
talking about. If you have a radio show that's all
just sound effects all the time. You start to be
like that, you know that Kramer guy on the with
the uh uh, you know the Finance show. Whatever's like
Hong Kong Hong konk I mean, it's just too much.
You gotta be very sparing with your CGI. So that's
what CGI dwarfs horrible idea. They changed the music. They've
(14:39):
changed the musical numbers from basically the most successful on
screen musical of all time close to it maybe maybe
like the Sound of Music or you know, Gone with
the Wind. But they change the music, which is which
is madness.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I must just say this. This woman is playing
the Disney Princess. She just doesn't look like it. She's
just not that pretty. She doesn't look like a Disney princess.
I don't know, you know, am I am I alone
in this one?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I think if they had put Sidney Sweeney in as
snow White, it would have made a billion dollars. Yes,
I mean, just give me a really pretty white chick
and let her actually play the role of snow White.
I mean the crazy thing to.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Be a really pretty, a really pretty chick, like I
just don't think this woman is Disney princess material.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm sorry, how about the fact saying gal Gadou is
way better looking and way more looks like snow White,
but she's the evil princess.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yes, yes, that's a weird decision too, Right, she's Disney
princess kind of material. And and you you know, if
you're just she was wonderful. Okay, you're allowed to want
pretty people to play the Disney princess or the queen
or whatever. So let's take some take some let's take
some snow White calls here. I'm sure people will be
fired up about this, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
In the meantime, I want to tell you guys all
about our friends at Hillsdale.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Maybe they need to start doing some.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Historic pop culture classes, because my thing, buck is, if
everybody already loves something, maybe do something similar to that again, right, Like, hey,
it's pretty successful. We've built the most successful animated film
of all time. Maybe people are just actually very fond
(16:16):
of what already has happened. But what Hillsdale will do
is they'll take you into the.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
History of World War One, World War.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
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and your talkbacks. The biggest box office bombs in history,
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Stealth two thousand and five, adjusted for inflation, lost one
hundred and fifty five million dollars. That was when Jessica
Biel was really at her at her absolute peak, and
that did not help. She ended up marrying justin Timberlake,
so I guess she did okay, but that did not
help her career. I'm trying to see who else is
on this list of notable There's a lot of them,
(19:31):
and the thing is, I think all of the movies
that are on the bomb list are are terrible. So
that's the thing. It's not there The Adventures of Pluto
Nash two thousand and two, Eddie Murphy one hundred and
sixty eight million dollar loss adjusted for inflation. That may
that's like a top contender for all time losses. Play
(19:52):
Heaven's Gate nineteen eighty. I've never seen that. I don't
even know who's I think it's a Western kind of
some kind of like a Western on the prairies, pioneer
movie or something. Do you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I've heard the name of the title, but I
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, there's there's a bunch of these, a lot of
them I've never even really heard of.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I'll tell you one and again. I think it's important
to adjust these things for inflation. And if you're wondering,
it's because.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Danna Jones and The Dial of Destiny one hundred and
fifty million dollar loss. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I went and saw it. It was not great Cleopatra
with Elizabeth Taylor. Fox lost Twentieth Century. Fox lost so
much money on that movie that they had to sell
off part of the movie lot. If you're in La
right now and you wonder like the whole Century City development,
the Westfield Mall, all of that area. They lost so
(20:44):
much money making the Cleopatra movie that they had to
sell off acres of the studio. Cutthroat Island nineteen ninety five,
which is I think Matthew Modine and Geena Davis lost
two hundred and seventeen million dollars and goes down with
the ignominious distinction of being the only movie in history
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that it is believed to have brought down the studio.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Bankrupted the studio.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That is, that's when you're that's when you got a
lot of money at stake. A couple of ones that
I remember, and we're talking about this in the context
of the Disney Snow Snow White disaster water World, Remember
Kevin Costner, that was like one of the all time losers.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's an asterisk though, because my understanding is that they
made the sets for real out on the water and
there was a big storm and destroyed everything that they
had made. So that was a rough one and I
don't know if they really had the insurance they needed
for it. So because that movie is not good, have
you seen it? Yeah, it is not good, but it
is not awful. I would say it is like it
(21:51):
is a set almost watchable not quite watchable, wild Wild West.
Will Smith movie was supposedly an unmitigated disaster. But a
lot of these have two things in common.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
One is their big risks, like Kevin Costner, I'm gonna
build a water world. Frankly, James Cameron has has panned
out with a lot of what he has done. But
you know, when you do The Titanic, it's not exactly
a cheap thing to make. When you make what's the
movies that have made so much money the Avatars, billions
of dollars on those big swings. Okay, you shouldn't lose
(22:30):
massive amounts of money remaking something that everyone wants, like
that's the entire purpose of the remake is you can't
lose that the way you have a ten plath on this,
you can't lose money.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They think West Side Story in twenty twenty one lost
one hundred and twenty million dollars adjusted for inflation. To bot,
how do you how do you make a West Side
Story remake that totally bombs? That's I don't even know
how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well, I would have told you a musical on television. Now,
they did make a lot of money on Wicked, but
in Chicago. Chicago was a big hit West Side story
is what's sixty seventy years old? Are there tons of
people out there clamoring to go see that? I would
have called that into question. The snow White failure is
(23:16):
to me again, why I think it's so fascinating is
I think it represents an era. Everybody loved snow White.
You find a pretty girl, you cast her as snow White.
If you're deciding to do remakes live action, which I
think is you know it's lazy, right, Like do we
(23:38):
really need to see a live action remake of The
Lion King, which is mostly CGI because it's got animals
in it. But you create this disaster and it's so
foreseeable and it follows buck in Everybody loves Star Wars.
Let's light Star Wars on Fire. Everybody they built the
(24:00):
Marvel franchise up and then they lit it on fire.
It's like they can't figure out how to go once
the Infinity War Avengers in game thing ended. It's like
everything has been on the backside of that a disaster.
I just and the Newest, the Newest Indiana Jones people
had issues with. I went and watched it, but you
(24:21):
took what made Indiana Jones great, his rugged individuality, and
you instead brought in a girl boss who was like
leading Indiana Jones around. And a lot of people said,
I watch Indiana Jones because he's the badass. I don't
need like a new character to be the leader here.
James in Texas wants to weigh in about Disney. James welcome,
(24:47):
you know.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And the thing about it is is Disney would have
already known that the projected opening weekend for snow Watt
was going to be bad because they based it off
of pre ticket sales, so they are he knew this
as of a couple of weeks ago, and I believe
I saw on the news as of last week that
it was put before the Disney board to slow down
(25:10):
or make changes to their DEI slash Wop program. And
the board turned that down. They said keep it the same.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, thank you, Micall. I'm not sure about that. I
will tell you, Buck, this ties in pretty well with
what I've seen with the rise of OutKick. Everybody loves sports,
how about just show sports, you know, like, let's just
have sports highlights and debate who the best is or
whatever else. Let's not have arguments about politics on ESPN
(25:40):
would be an easy fix. I think, Yeah, Disney share
this is Fox Business. A few days ago, our caller,
I think is refernd to this is correct. Disney shareholders
widely voted against a proposal to reconsider participation in the
Corporate Equality Index. So this is an anti DEI proposal
that came up and they didn't. Now we can get
into some of the details about this, but well a
(26:01):
lot of times with those proposals, the reality is the
and this is like diving.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
We're getting into proxy voting now and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, it's not most individuals voting. It's the large, often
left wing. Uh, this is where Vivek has gone. Black
creat culture, black rock, all this different black rock. Sorry, yeah, Alan,
in South Carolina, you went and saw the new snow White.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
So so, my wife and I were screening the film
before we showed it to our children. And the best
way I can summarize the way I feel about it is,
you know, it felt like I was watching the end
of Planet of the Apes over and over and over again,
just this gut wretching, awful feeling. So you and how
old are you Allen, I'm thirty seven. So you and
and how many kids do you have? Two?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Okay, so you and your wife on a date night
were like, Hey, we're gonna go watch snow White before
we take our kids to see it, which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
This was a reconnaissance reconnaissance mission.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
But the fact that you would think compelled to go
to a Disney movie to see it first to see
whether or not you could take your kids probably not
a great branding side for Disney. Did your wife feel
the same way as you? What was her take?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
She did?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I fortunately married a very conservative woman. But it's it
is really sad. We almost have to go on and
collect intel from the movie prior to, you know, exposing
it to our children.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, it's crazy, thank you. I mean, in nineteen thirty seven,
do you think anybody was out there like, hey, I
don't know if we can trust Disney to go watch
snow White? To your point, Buck, hey, Robin Hood, is
this going to be too salacious? Is this going to
be too political for me to take my kid? Peter
Pan like Dumbo, whatever you want to point to. Do
you think that in the nineteen fifties and sixties and
(27:43):
even when we were growing up in the eighties and
nineties with Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin and all
those movies that there were any you might have been concerned,
are they a little bit too scary for young kids?
Those kind of things, But nobody was like, Hey, I
gotta worry about what the messaging is.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
But you know, there's there's also something that's been lost
here in the creative industries, notably what we see in movies,
but also TV and and it's that a great story.
There's something universal in the humanity of a great story.
People just want great stories. They want they want good
guys and bad guys. They want you know, heroes and princesses.
(28:21):
They want triumph, they want trials and tribulation. You know
that they want the the the you know, right hand
best friend of the hero to come through in the moment.
I mean these things. And whether you set the story
in medieval Europe or you set the story in you know,
(28:41):
Southeast Asia or Central Africa, if it's a great story,
it's a great story. And we don't you know that.
That's that's what I find so so annoying about this.
I mean, you see, they have something that should be
viewed as you. What I'm trying to say is snow
White should be you to view it as something that
is a universal cultural phenomenon. That's why what you can enjoy.
(29:04):
That's where this is. Everyone can enjoy. Mozart is for everybody.
That's the great thing. It doesn't matter where Mozart was from. Ultimately,
the music is for everybody and for all perpetuity the
human race, and we should all enjoy it. We should all.
Don't even get me started about how incredible Mozart is.
Point is, they do this thing now where it's like
(29:24):
they're keeping score. Oh, we've had too many, you know,
there have been too many musicians or too many authors
from this place or that country, or of this skin
color or that gender, and so we have to do
other things now they don't. Actually, that doesn't work, and
they don't have to do that because we can all
appreciate the art for what it is. And that's where
I think I think so much of this falls apart.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's why for me, Star Wars and now the Disney
movies are perfect examples of this. You had one of
the most successful movies in the history of the world
in Snow White. To your point buck. At least ninety
five percent of this audience have seen it, either as
kids yourselves, or as parents or as grandparents. You had
(30:06):
a built in audience that loved it, and then you're
trying to make it for a new generation. Well, wait
a minute, it's already been made and everybody loves it.
The remake idea in general doesn't make sense. But if
you're going to remake something, then remake it basically the
exact same story, because Snow White is transcendent in many
(30:30):
ways as a story, and the same thing is true
of Star Wars. I understand characters age out, but the
idea that Star Wars wasn't expansive enough in its audience.
It's the most expansive successful series in the history of
the world. Probably, is there anything that's made more money
(30:52):
than Star Wars from a movie perspective A series maybe
James Bond, just because they've made way more of them.
But basically Star Wars is the it's lucrative movie franchise
of all time. That's a sign that it's working really
well and that you don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Would be my suggestion.
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That's News Radio five seventy wanting to talk about the
(33:18):
eighteen year old's breaking conservative cc I can.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Offer some confirmation of seventeen year old and eighteen year
old boys breaking for Trump. I have a senior in
high school, eighteen years old. He and his friends, most
of his friends broke really hard for Trump and or
big Trump supporters, even if they couldn't vote, and they
are going to be a force in these next couple
(33:43):
of elections.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That's what I see, Buck, That's what I've seen with
my own boys, seventeen year old, fourteen year old, all
the friends that are around them. These young boys growing
into men, are fed up with the era that they
have been raised in, this girl Boss covid woke era.
They're just over it. Marcopa, Arizona Holly KFYI listener wants
(34:10):
to weigh in as well.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
Dd Hey, Clay Holly from Maricopa, Arizona. The whole reason
that Tim Wallas is talking about being masculine is attributed
to you. You're the one that said there were no
masculine men left in the Democrat Party. So they listen
to you. They're coming out and trying to prove themselves.
(34:32):
Let it go, Clay, Ah.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I like the laugh there at the end that did
go megaviral, And I do think there's some element there
potentially of truth that they're responding to that because they
talked about it on CNN, and that echoed, I think
are resonated in Democrat circles.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And it does take a man who is particularly comfortable
in his masculinity to be all over the internet playing
the flute shirtless, which is right, pretty astonishing, you know,
I mean, you know, that's that's high stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
A lot of you did amazing memes of me and
Trump on Air Force one involving me playing the flute.
Gayan in New York City w o R talked about
West Side Story. I didn't realize this. Did you know this?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Buck ee? Hey, it's gay in Manhattan.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
You just trashed a West Side story which lost a
lot of money. News flash, it starred Rachel Zegler.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Wait, hold on, hold on important point. But we did
not trash West Side Story. I just said that it bombed.
I didn't see the West Side Story. I think the
West Side Story of musical is great for I'm not
a big musical guy, but you know, point being, I
did not know Rachel Ziegler was in that as well.
That is a pretty remarkable resume she's building up, you know,
(35:48):
she's somebody's niece, like, how is she getting these gigs?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Great question? Great question, And I have no idea. But again,
this movie is potentially based on the numbers, going to
lose hundreds of millions of dollars, So I do think
it's a sort of a cardinal signpost from making four
billion to losing hundreds of millions the snow White story.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What changes the dynamic inside of this Disney is still
a cultural phenomenon in this country. Disney is a holdout here.
If they lose enough money on this, will it change
or what has to change for Disney to stop the
woke garbage?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think they have to stand up to their employees
because I think this is a lot of it's coming internal.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You remember when they started bragging about how they needed
to have trans influence stories and everything else. This is
internal and the internal Disney employees do not reflect what
the external marketplace wants, and at some point in time
that becomes unholy purely from a business perspective, And I
think you're saying that with Snow White
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