March 27, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with a lively discussion on current political events. Clay and Buck talk about the progress of major legislative efforts in the Senate, including the border and tax bills, with an upcoming interview with Senator Rand Paul to provide further insights. They also cover President Trump's recent press conference, highlighting his actions against Venezuelan gang leaders and his remarks on gender identity, emphasizing the biological differences between men and women and their implications for women's sports. The hosts then shift to cultural topics, criticizing the media's handling of the Signal story and discussing the impact of woke policies on the entertainment industry, particularly Disney's recent struggles. They advocate for a return to universally appealing storytelling, using "Top Gun: Maverick" as an example of successful, inclusive content. Additionally, they touch on demographic issues, with Trump humorously referring to himself as the "fertilization president" and stressing the need for higher birth rates in Western societies. The hour concludes with a discussion on political correctness, where Clay and Buck urge Republicans to avoid adopting a victim mentality and instead use humor and resilience to counter criticism. They emphasize the importance of not falling into the trap of cancel culture and maintaining a strong, confident stance in the face of opposition.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wugging Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We appreciate all.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
into what should be another fun show with all of you.
Senator Ram Paul is going to join us at two,
that is a couple of hours from now and give
us the latest on how the big beautiful Bill is
progressing in the Senate.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Remember, despite all of.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The attention this week on the signal chat of Pete
hex At, JD. Vans and others, the big story remains
that the border bill, as well as the tax bill
and the overall budget priorities of President Trump for the
next several years, is winding its way through the capital
(00:46):
process and there is still a lot of work to
be done there, with the hope that sometime in May
it will be officially complete, but lots of pulling to
do on the House side and the Senate side. We
will get the absolute latest from Senator Ram there as
well as whether that new budget can help we hope
to create at least some of a clawback on the
(01:09):
growth of the national deficit, which is at thirty six
trillion dollars and continuing to expand as we all speak
Trump has been effective in getting more of the Venezuelan
gang leaders arrested. We'll talk about that a little bit
press conference earlier this morning, but he had a press
conference yesterday, and I want to play some of those
(01:32):
cuts for you. As Trump took command of the national story.
I will say, Buck, and I think you'll sign off
on this. The seagonal story seems to be basically done now.
It took a couple of days. Atlantic managed to drag
it out as long as they could, but by and large,
(01:52):
I think that story is now behind us. And I'm
sure there will be a new emergence of a top
story in the near future. But right now is what
is going on seems to have vanished. And I think, Buck,
if it's being played at all, it's mostly being played
for laughs at this point, as opposed to anything else.
(02:14):
But here is President Trump yesterday saying, on a day
when they were honoring the number of women involved in
his administration as a part of a women's history celebration,
Guess what, no matter how many surgeries you have, a
man is not a woman.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This is cut for.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
No matter how many surgeries you have or chemicals you inject,
if you're born with male DNA and every cell off
your body, you can never become a woman. You're not
going to be a woman.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Laugh.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And that's why last month I proudly signed a historic
executive order to ban men from competing in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And who is very.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Popular, very.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So that is very popular book positive news here. I
mean to me, this goes to the essence of whether
truth is real or not? Is biology real or not?
The World Track and Field Association now says, hey, we're
gonna cheek swab every woman who is competing in women's
track and field and confirm that they are in fact
all women. And this is important because I don't know
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if you if we talked about this on the show,
but I've been doing research. Do you know that every
women's track and field record has been broken by a
fourteen or fifteen year old boy in the United States?
That is the fastest women in the history of the world.
Are all slower than a fourteen or fifteen year old
male sprinter. That's how much biology matters. We're not even
(03:45):
talking about grown men who are training full time. This
testosterone stuff's pretty powerful and about fourteen or fifteen years old.
There is no similarity between the sexes anymore.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
When it comes to that remarkable that Trump says this,
and they still will deny it, and they'll pretend that
it's not true. They will talk around the issue. But
the statement, if you're born with male DNA and every
cell of your body, you can never become a woman.
You're not going to become a woman. This should be
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the most straightforward, incontrovertible thing. The sky is blue, right,
This is the most straightforward statement of fact you can
really come up with. And yet there will be Democrats
and the left pretending that somehow this is controvert in fact,
worse than controversial, it's bigoted, clay. If you believe this,
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you were a bad person. And you know, we're starting
to see also the data compiled on what really the
reality is for a lot of these individuals who are
trans and problems with sexual deviancy, sexual assault, I mean
this stuff. We're not allowed to talk about the number
(04:58):
of people who have been trans involved in recent mass shootings,
for example, the most notable one in Nashville. You're supposed
to forget all about this because they don't want anyone
to realize that there's a huge that this is a
mental health issue essentially, and they don't want anyone talk
about that. Instead, we're supposed to believe this is a
class of protected person. And if you won't go along
(05:19):
with and you are supposed to stand and cheer as
an eighteen year old man runs and sets the new
track and field record for the eight hundred meters against
a bunch of girls, you're supposed.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
To do that.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They really believe this, or rather they really say it.
I can't tell you what they believe on an individual basis.
So I think Trump needs to keep hammering this home
because Clay once they're in charge, who knows Democrats they
might Biden was putting forward guidance on transurgery for miners
from the White House, Joe Biden. That was reality under
a Democrat administration. So this battle is not over, and
(05:56):
this fight for sanity continues no matter how much they say,
why are you focusing on this? I also think that
and this is not going to surprise any of you.
We talked about how Caroline Levitt doesn't get any of
the credit that she deserved just by being the youngest
White House Press secretary ever who was also raising an
eight month old son right now, But Trump pointed out
(06:19):
that his cabinet actually has more women than any Republican
president in the history of the country.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I haven't seen that headline anywhere. Of course you wouldn't
because it's Trump and nothing positive he does. But he
said this in cut six.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'm also thrilled to say that we have more women
in our cabinet than any Republican president in the history
of our country. And joining us today is a woman
I've known a long time. You talk about strong women,
this is a strong woman. Remember they were saying he
(06:55):
doesn't like strong women.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
That may be true.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But if that's true, I'm in deep because I'm surrounded.
I got the strongest women, and this is a beautiful, strong,
wonderful woman. Attorney General Pam Bondi.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Buck, you know that strong woman comment. You remember who
said that in the campaign that Trump refused to surround
himself with strong women, and then they basically sidelined him.
It was a guy, our good buddy, Mark Cuban. And
and then then like.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I remember, now, I remember gotten that sounds like honestly,
it's it's so hysterical and low t that it sounds
like something that Olberman would have said.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But it is a Mark Cuban, a Mark Cubanism.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That is that they basically sided Remember Mark Cuban became
the avatar for Kamala Harris for men, he was going
around speaking everywhere about what an incredible talent she was
and how phenomenal of the president she would be, and
then he made those comments and they went megaviral and
they happened to a round the time that Joe Biden
(08:03):
called Trump supporters trash. So this was in the closing
days of the campaign, in the October, the final sprint,
and they basically sidelined Mark Cuban, And I've barely seen
the guy anywhere. I think he now spends a lot
of time over on Blue Sky, which I have no
idea who Thankfully I never have to venture into the
(08:24):
Blue Sky streets. I think that was the that was
the Zuckerberg alternative, right that he tried to build to Twitter,
where they have all sorts of protective safeguards for what
cannon cannot be said, and a lot of people say
they're going to go there, but then nothing happens over
on that site and nobody's really kind of paying attention there,
(08:44):
and then they come back. But I do think It
is important to emphasize here that Trump has not only
we know he's done very well with young men, but
a lot of women, many of whom are out there
listening to us right now, either got on the Trump
train early on in twenty sixteen, or as twenty twenty
and twenty twenty four have progressed, have finally ended up
(09:06):
on board the Trump train. I had dinner with a
media executive on Tuesday, a group of them here in Nashville,
and one of the guys there said, you know, I
was totally apolitical. He said, I didn't vote for twenty years.
I was just kind of focused on my career. I
wasn't really focused on politics at all. And then he
was like, I looked up, and I looked around, and
(09:26):
I was like, there really is no other choices there,
Like things have gotten so crazy. He said he was
very happy to go out and vote for Trump in
twenty twenty four, and he hadn't voted hardly in the
twenty first century. And I think there are a lot
of people like that who just get so busy with
work and life that they're not really paying attention to
the larger culture or certainly the day to day of politics,
and it just got so crazy that finally a lot
(09:50):
of people came in off the sidelines and said.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We got to fix this.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I know we talked about it a lot yesterday, but
I think that it will become clear. It'll take some time,
but the Woke snow White disaster I think could be
the beginning of a change in the creative content business
occurring now. Where they start to go, it's not going
(10:14):
to be conservative, but they're going to start being less
insane because of the I think the financial imperative is
is more clear now than it has been ever before.
People just don't want this stuff, and even Disney can't
afford to keep doing this stuff. You no one can
afford to light hundreds of millions of dollars on fire
on one project, correct, So there's gonna have to be
(10:36):
a reckoning here with the bottom line. I don't think
the individuals in charge have necessarily changed their beliefs at all,
but they're gonna have to stop being so crazy if
they want to stay in business. And this has been
a part of a long transformation. I mean, if you
had we had had this conversation ten years ago, it
would have felt like, oh, my gosh, no way will
(10:57):
they ever.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Abandon the the the.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Tenets of the far left worship that we see in
all of these different media projects. Look at CNN, look
at MSNBC. I mean, we are in a time of
change in the narrative overall in this country, but also
in the gatekeepers and the content creators, corporations, massive corporations,
(11:21):
obviously Bezos and Face and Zuckerberg showing up at the
inauguration with Trump. It's not about Clay, who's a true
believer now. I think the market has changed. That's a difference, right,
It's not oh, because it was. We're gonna build our
own stuff and they're gonna have their stuff, and eventually
our stuff will grow to the size where we'll have
(11:41):
the We talk about the parallel economy, Yes, increasingly, this
is just the economy now where you can't get away
with the fringe twenty percent leftist stuff is starting to
become financially toxic.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's right, and it's very important that that happened. And
this is why we said many if you stop drinking
bud light, and we've used that as an example, you
shouldn't be firebombing bud light trucks.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Right, Like, there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Between saying, Hey, I'm going to put my money where
I feel like my values are and trying to physically
attack and destroy people who make decisions that are different
than you. And I will give a little bit of
credit to bud Light, like I think they lit their
brand on fire metaphorically speaking, but they have been aggressively
trying to win back the audience.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think the challenge, as we said before, is their
beer doesn't taste that much different than a lot of
other light beers, and I'm gonna get dell loosed as
I always do. I can tell the difference between Miller
Lite and Cores Light and bud Light all day Clay
after about two beers. Trust me, you can't. But that's
the challenge that they've got. The brand value that they
created Buck was really just Hey, drinking a beer and
(12:50):
hanging out with your friends is fun. Sports are good,
We like girls in bikinis. Like this was the fun
element that they tried to sell with beer. And then
suddenly they're telling you, hey, here's a dude, and actually
you have to say it's a girl with a bud
Light can and guys just said, yeah, we're not doing this,
and I think that the bottom line ultimately is the driver.
(13:13):
For a long time they said none of this works.
Bud Light is basically destroyed as a brand. Now Disney's
in trouble. Disney's in real trouble when a lot of
parents out there can't trust taking their kids to a
Disney movie because there's all sorts of crazy left wing
politics in it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And if I'm Bob.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Igert, i am looking around and saying, hey, we're done
with this, and sometimes buck those guys can know it's
not smart. But a lot of CEOs are cowards, frankly,
and they follow whatever the herd is going because they
want to keep their jobs. And now Bob iger can
walk into the boardroom or the creative team and he
can say, look, guys, we lost two hundred million dollars
(13:57):
on this movie, like we can't do this ever again,
or the company won't exist. Let's get bite back to
just telling universal, awesome stories for everyone. Example I've used
for a while, how about Top Gun Maverick. Why can't
we go back to the movies that were made in
the eighties and the nineties that truly appealed to everyone
(14:19):
instead of trying to check all these different identity boxes.
Let's just tell universally great stories that have mass appeal
to everyone.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Totally agree.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
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Welcome back into clay Anne Buck.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
So Trump was at the Women's History celebration and said
a bunch of things.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
We talked about.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The women or women and you can't become a woman comment,
which is is quite clear, but I'm not sure how
many were expecting this one. Trump has added a new
a new title to his list, self described Clay, this
has cut five, the the fertilization President.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Five.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
We're gonna have tremendous, tremendous goodies in the bag for
women to the women. Between the fertilization and all of
the other things that we're talking about, it's gonna be
it's gonna be great. We're joined today fertilization. I'm I'm
still very proud of it. I don't care I will
(16:50):
be known as the fertilization President.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
That that's okay, that's not bad. That's not bad. I've
I've been called I've been called much worse. Actually, I
like it, right, I like it. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
He really was leading, really leading into that one, the
fertilization President.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But I think on a.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
More serious side of policy equation, America we need We're
better off than Europe and some other places, but we
need more babies born here in America.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
We need to actually have more Americans.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Some might say that Elon Musk is particularly well suited
to be the fertilizations are inside of the White House.
But but that is very very funny, and you're one
hundred percent right. We need way more children in Western
civilization around the world, whether it's demographic decline, can destroy
civilization if you really allow it to go crazy. The
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
We had some by the way, a lot of you
want to weigh in, you can always weigh in on
the talkback.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We'll play some of those.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Will also take some of your calls eight hundred and
two A two two eight A two with the things
that we were already talking about. But Buck, I wanted
to come back because we talked about the Governor of Texas,
Greg Abbott, being insulted with the governor hot Wheels line,
and we said, hey, I loved your idea. Put some
(19:34):
like flames on the wheels like I said, wear a
Governor hot Wheels T shirt. I don't like personally the idea,
and I think you're in my camp here to Buck.
When people say mean things to you, I think pretending
to be offended by people saying mean things is actually
a weak look. I think I don't think it looks
good for Republicans to be like.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh, so and so said something mean about.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Me, and this is like, that's what democrats do, and
I don't think we should play into that game, right
the word policing the on.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
My feelings are hurt.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think mockery and ridicule and humor is the way
to handle things like this.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yes, and sometimes even mockery can be quite helpful. Like
when one of you told me that I was starting
to look like Missus Doubtfire and wasn't handsome anymore. I
decided it was time to lose some weight.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Wow, that's a that's a tough hit, Missus Doubtfire.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I mean, oh hello, yeah, wow. Well now see, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Sometimes mockery and ridicule can't can lead to good results.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
And honestly, now now, thanks to that mean person, I'll
be grading parmesan on my abs before long.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So there we go. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You insult Buck and now you've got him back in shape.
And sometimes that is the motivation, right, Like, sometimes people
saying mean things to you can lead to a better result.
This is uh, this is part of why you know
tough love in athletic teams sometimes leads to better food is.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Not applied to people with lifelong disabilities though, So, yes,
you should not be making jokes about Governor Greg Abbotts.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So, but Greg Abbott has the opportunity to really kind
of lean in this into this in a funny way.
And you know what, Jasmin Crockett could have come out
and said, Hey, I'm gonna say That's what I would
have said. Hey, I'm gonna say sometimes jokes.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You may not like.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's life. If you don't like it, don't have to
vote for me. But I think my constituents are probably
still gonna keep voting for me, and they understand that
I'm not gonna be perfect, but my goal is to
fight for them. Like, there's easy ways to handle this. Again,
I can just off the cuff give what the answer
should be. Trump certainly has levied his fair share of
insults over the years, and so I think when Republicans
(21:41):
like try to be offended by things that people say,
I just personally think it's a poor look. Okay, With
that in mind, Jasmin Crockett tried to say, she didn't say, Hey,
I'm gonna make jokes. Sometimes they're gonna land inappropriately. That's life,
deal with it. We're all adults. Kind of what I
would say. She said, Oh, I wasn't referring to the
(22:02):
governor being in a wheelchair when I called him governor
hot wheels. But she has been calling him governor hot
wheels for some time now. People went back, She's done
it on Facebook posts, She's done it on all sorts
of different places. She tried to say, oh, this is
about the deportation policies. She's been doing this for years.
She's making fun of him because he's in a wheelchair
(22:23):
and calling him governor hot wheels. Here she is and
yet another conversation. I think this a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Listen, so the governor called a special session to get
his voter suppression bills through and we have saying this, yes,
it hot wheels.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I mean, I'm sorry, that is hard that she is
mocking him because he's in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Now trying to argue.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And say, oh, I've like this is just a reference
to the fact that buses have wheels and we're putting
people on buses and saying, no, you've been doing this
for years. You've been making fun of the governor because
he's in a wheelchair. And maybe this is a term
that is used in Democrat circles beyond Jasmine Crockett. Maybe
it's something that's talked about privately, not usually said publicly.
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But I do think it's important to call people out,
not necessarily for what they say, although that's important, but
when you blatantly lie about what you said and try
to gaslight us and convince us that what you said
wasn't what you actually said, it actually is worse. Like
I think you said this yesterday. Doubling down and trying
(23:31):
to make up an excuse on this, to me is
worse than just being like, hey, it's a joke name
I have for him. I don't like his policies, and
you cannot like it. I mean, I can easily come
up with a reason why she could, why she could
explain this.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This goes along with a much broader trend in the
Democrat Party, which is it's one thing when they lie
to us. It's another thing when they lie to people
that they're trying to fool, but when they lie to
their own side, like to their base, right, So there's
lying to Republicans. That's of course what they do every day.
There's lying to swing voters that's called every election cycle
(24:08):
for Democrats for all of my lifetime. And then there's
lying to like the MSNBC watchers, Right, Biden doesn't have dementia,
for example. Yes, they made them look foolish. They made
their own people look like they're easy to mislead and
that they're buffoons basically that they will not forgive so easily.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
When you say something.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Like this and it's so easily provable that you are lying,
it insults the intelligence of your own audience. It's basically
what I'm what I'm getting at. It insults the intelligence
of the people that you're supposed to be on the
team with. And so that's why this is not This
is not a win for congress Woman Crockett other than
(24:52):
her name is getting out there a whole lot, and
her name unfortunately conflicts with America's greatest coffee company, which
you're going to have to keep on trying to uh
just deal.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
With, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Unfortunate that the Crockett in Texas would end up being
a crazy woman as opposed to a badass sort of legacy.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Uh imagine if she was.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Really like I imagine if she was like a great,
you know, patriot, a conservative, a constitutionalist, and was like
a rising star in the Republican Party, we'd be sending
your Crockett sweatshirts. It'd be fantastic but totally true. Unfortunately,
that's not where we are. You I do, I do hope.
Let me just implore upon this because I know there
(25:33):
are a lot of congressman senators, they're staff White House
people who listen. Please don't fall into the trap of
trying to be offended by things that people say. And
I would encourage all of you out there listening to
us too, Please do not fall into this circular firing squad.
(25:53):
I think we're and I think you would agree with
me on this, Buck, I think we're moving out of
the era of somebody sent a tweet or a Facebook
post or an Instagram post or whatever it is, and
they can never be employed ever again, because, oh my goodness,
can you believe what that one post said? Whether you
work at Low's department stores, or whether you work at McDonald's,
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or whether you work in a congressional office, or you're
doing something.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like what Buck and I do.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The idea of hey, somebody screwed something up, and therefore
they should never be able to be employed again because
they have an opinion that's considered to be unacceptable. I
just I fundamentally reject that on all levels. So I
don't want in this era for Republicans to start to
adopt the Democrat policies of oh, somebody said something mean,
(26:45):
mock ridicule, satirize, use humor to point out how absurd
they are and what they said. But please do not
try and play the victim card. I'm so sick of
the victim card. And I'm a friend because I see
it a little bit. I see it a little bit
now kind of starting to pop up as Republicans have
more cultural ascendancy, where you're saying, oh, somebody said something
(27:09):
mean about me, and they should not be able to
have a job anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I don't want us to go down that path. Does
that make sense? Like, I'm afraid when you have a
little bit more cultural powers, don't.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Start trying to play it. I've seen it start to
happen just occasionally on social media with somebody says something
and it's like anyway, it's it's it's easy to get
that sugar high of Hey, somebody said something mean about me,
and like, I'm a victim. Resist it, attack it, have
fun with it, attack the idea, but don't I don't
(27:42):
want cancel culture to emerge on the Republican side of
the equation.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah, yeah, well I don't think it will because I
think that cancel culture is inherently a you know, for guys,
it's very very beta male activity. It's very uh, as
I said before, very low tee very what are you
doing with yourself here?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know it? Don't be don't be such a little girl.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
So yeah, I think that there's less likelihood that our
our team is going to start going down the cancel
culture uh path. And it's been a it's been a
wild ride. I will say that because in media there
has been there was a period of time where they
were going after people like me, like Clay in a big.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
What rush went through.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, they they basically tried to pull every advertiser
off this show, you know, six seven years ago, as
many of you listening know. But there were they went
they were smart in the way that they went after advertisers,
and they found out that a lot of advertisers are
very cowardly and if they even have this astro turf
fake campaign, it was.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Over a decade ago, is what you're talking about, just
seeing it was a long Yeah, it was a long
time ago.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
But but it is emblematic.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's really kind of when they started to hit their
stride and it picked up for years and years and years,
and they really managed to do a good job of
trying to tear FI advertisers and make them think that
these kind of responses were real.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Look, there there were a number of people on our
side of the political isle who were big, big names,
big voices, and they did not bend the knee, and
we should always rush obviously. It was you know, they
wanted to take Rush down for so many years, and
the fact that he just kept on showing up and
being the voice and the leader that he was in
(29:25):
this country and that they couldn't stop him was so important,
right he was. He was like the bulldozer running through
all the barbed wire of the communists. I mean, he
just would not and they tried everything they could, But
there were there were others also they tried to cancel.
I remember they went after Remember they went after Tucker
(29:45):
early on when he was at Fox and No. But
early on when he was at Fox and A big,
he had gone on some different radio shows.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
O then I never found jokes that he had made
years ago, and they.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Were, Yeah, he was on kind of a kind of
a body radio show, if I may so, it's a
bit body and you know, a little a little bit
on the salty side. And he went on and instead
of you know, going on his show on Fox, and
this was early and they were so they were hoping
to just tear him down so quickly. He was like,
(30:15):
m yeah, I see some people found that I said
some naughty words a long time ago. Good luck with that.
You know, just totally was like not happening. And because
he took that position, I actually remember I was texting
with him when he did that, and I was like,
I know that that's who you are, and so you
didn't do it for this reason, but you actually just
did all the rest of us a favor, because by
you refusing to bend the knee, it means that the
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rest of us coming up in the ranks behind you
can also do the same.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I one hundred percent agree with that, and I would
just point out that I think it actually ties in
a bit. With the signal controversy that came out this week,
I think Trump has decided I am not going to
give an inch to any of my critics and ever
fire anybody by and large, because they're coming completely without
(31:03):
good faith and they believe that if they can get
one scalp that they It's not like they're ever going
to be satisfied. Right, Let's say that Trump suddenly said, hey,
this is unacceptable, I'm firing X. It's not like they're
going to say, well, we'll go easy on Trump when
why happens because he did X?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
They they don't have a good faith obligation. They're not
trying to solve things here. So I've been doing this now.
This is pretty astonishing when I say this out loud.
I've been doing this now for fifty This will be
fifteen years, which is which is great, especially for those
of you who think I look like I'm still in college.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I've been doing this for fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
And at the beginning, Clay, I remember, there was the
there was the in this cancel culture world. It was
the apology tour thing, right, which I actually think in
some ways is the worst we have to go, Like
I am so sorry that I used the word or
that I said the thing.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
And you go on like these kind of small sea
daytime talk shows.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
They're just, oh, are you really like a changed person,
learned an actress? I've learned just like this, and then
you make the you make the requisite.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know, I've become a better person.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
And also I'm making a donation to some foundation that
you know is is all about whatever the issue, whoever
you offended, you made the donation. But then it changed,
and it really changed, I would say me like by
the end of Obama term one, in my mind at least,
and it started it started to turn into you have
to apologize.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You just said that.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And then it was well, now we're going to take
your career like now you have even when you apologize,
we take your head. You're fired, you're done, you know.
And now we've finally broken out of that where it's no,
don't bend the knee. If you bend the knee, they
take your head. So it's been a it's been a
wild ride, like I said, but I think.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
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I am not in.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Incredible shape, as all of you can tell, but I'm
trying to stay in somewhat decent shape. But I will
say one thing that I have done, and I did
this before we started the coffee company, but it's even
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if you want caffeine, soda is not.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Very healthy for you.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Just being honest, it has awful amounts of nunk, huge
amount of unhealthy objects. Coffee and water, candidly are two
of the most useful, healthy things that you could drink.
There's actually a lot of good health benefits. So if
you are caffeine person, I wouldn't say try. I was
(36:17):
not a coffee person until a few years ago. I
love it now compared to soda.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Oh yes, no, I've been a coffee person my entire
adult working life. I used to get at the crack
of dawn to get into the CIA in time. Coffee
was the only thing to push me through play. We
didn't get to talk about this. Maybe we'll come back
and get into a little bit. You see that the
Trump administration is take if you're on public benefits, you know,
SNAP or whatever, supplemental nutritional assistance program, fight over whether
(36:43):
you should be able to get soda, Should you be
able to buy soda with your food stamps? Which I
know we don't call that that anymore, but I agree
with those who say no.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I think it's actually a really interesting discussion. It's a
good point. Let's talk about that when we come back
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We appreciate all.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
into what should be another fun show with all of you.
Senator Ram Paul is going to join us at two,
that is a couple of hours from now and give
us the latest on how the big beautiful Bill is
progressing in the Senate.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Remember, despite all of.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The attention this week on the signal chat of Pete
hex At, JD. Vans and others, the big story remains
that the border bill, as well as the tax bill
and the overall budget priorities of President Trump for the
next several years, is winding its way through the capital
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process and there is still a lot of work to
be done there, with the hope that sometime in May
it will be officially complete, but lots of pulling to
do on the House side and the Senate side. We
will get the absolute latest from Senator Ram there as
well as whether that new budget can help we hope
to create at least some of a clawback on the
(01:09):
growth of the national deficit, which is at thirty six
trillion dollars and continuing to expand as we all speak
Trump has been effective in getting more of the Venezuelan
gang leaders arrested. We'll talk about that a little bit
press conference earlier this morning, but he had a press
conference yesterday, and I want to play some of those
(01:32):
cuts for you. As Trump took command of the national story.
I will say, Buck, and I think you'll sign off
on this. The seagonal story seems to be basically done now.
It took a couple of days. Atlantic managed to drag
it out as long as they could, but by and large,
(01:52):
I think that story is now behind us. And I'm
sure there will be a new emergence of a top
story in the near future. But right now is what
is going on seems to have vanished. And I think, Buck,
if it's being played at all, it's mostly being played
for laughs at this point, as opposed to anything else.
(02:14):
But here is President Trump yesterday saying, on a day
when they were honoring the number of women involved in
his administration as a part of a women's history celebration,
Guess what, no matter how many surgeries you have, a
man is not a woman.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This is cut for.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
No matter how many surgeries you have or chemicals you inject,
if you're born with male DNA and every cell off
your body, you can never become a woman. You're not
going to be a woman.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Laugh.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And that's why last month I proudly signed a historic
executive order to ban men from competing in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And who is very.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Popular, very.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So that is very popular book positive news here. I
mean to me, this goes to the essence of whether
truth is real or not? Is biology real or not?
The World Track and Field Association now says, hey, we're
gonna cheek swab every woman who is competing in women's
track and field and confirm that they are in fact
all women. And this is important because I don't know
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if you if we talked about this on the show,
but I've been doing research. Do you know that every
women's track and field record has been broken by a
fourteen or fifteen year old boy in the United States?
That is the fastest women in the history of the world.
Are all slower than a fourteen or fifteen year old
male sprinter. That's how much biology matters. We're not even
(03:45):
talking about grown men who are training full time. This
testosterone stuff's pretty powerful and about fourteen or fifteen years old.
There is no similarity between the sexes anymore.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
When it comes to that remarkable that Trump says this,
and they still will deny it, and they'll pretend that
it's not true. They will talk around the issue. But
the statement, if you're born with male DNA and every
cell of your body, you can never become a woman.
You're not going to become a woman. This should be
(04:16):
the most straightforward, incontrovertible thing. The sky is blue, right,
This is the most straightforward statement of fact you can
really come up with. And yet there will be Democrats
and the left pretending that somehow this is controvert in fact,
worse than controversial, it's bigoted, clay. If you believe this,
(04:37):
you were a bad person. And you know, we're starting
to see also the data compiled on what really the
reality is for a lot of these individuals who are
trans and problems with sexual deviancy, sexual assault, I mean
this stuff. We're not allowed to talk about the number
(04:58):
of people who have been trans involved in recent mass shootings,
for example, the most notable one in Nashville. You're supposed
to forget all about this because they don't want anyone
to realize that there's a huge that this is a
mental health issue essentially, and they don't want anyone talk
about that. Instead, we're supposed to believe this is a
class of protected person. And if you won't go along
(05:19):
with and you are supposed to stand and cheer as
an eighteen year old man runs and sets the new
track and field record for the eight hundred meters against
a bunch of girls, you're supposed.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
To do that.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They really believe this, or rather they really say it.
I can't tell you what they believe on an individual basis.
So I think Trump needs to keep hammering this home
because Clay once they're in charge, who knows Democrats they
might Biden was putting forward guidance on transurgery for miners
from the White House, Joe Biden. That was reality under
a Democrat administration. So this battle is not over, and
(05:56):
this fight for sanity continues no matter how much they say,
why are you focusing on this? I also think that
and this is not going to surprise any of you.
We talked about how Caroline Levitt doesn't get any of
the credit that she deserved just by being the youngest
White House Press secretary ever who was also raising an
eight month old son right now, But Trump pointed out
(06:19):
that his cabinet actually has more women than any Republican
president in the history of the country.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I haven't seen that headline anywhere. Of course you wouldn't
because it's Trump and nothing positive he does. But he
said this in cut six.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'm also thrilled to say that we have more women
in our cabinet than any Republican president in the history
of our country. And joining us today is a woman
I've known a long time. You talk about strong women,
this is a strong woman. Remember they were saying he
(06:55):
doesn't like strong women.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
That may be true.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But if that's true, I'm in deep because I'm surrounded.
I got the strongest women, and this is a beautiful, strong,
wonderful woman. Attorney General Pam Bondi.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Buck, you know that strong woman comment. You remember who
said that in the campaign that Trump refused to surround
himself with strong women, and then they basically sidelined him.
It was a guy, our good buddy, Mark Cuban. And
and then then like.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I remember, now, I remember gotten that sounds like honestly,
it's it's so hysterical and low t that it sounds
like something that Olberman would have said.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But it is a Mark Cuban, a Mark Cubanism.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That is that they basically sided Remember Mark Cuban became
the avatar for Kamala Harris for men, he was going
around speaking everywhere about what an incredible talent she was
and how phenomenal of the president she would be, and
then he made those comments and they went megaviral and
they happened to a round the time that Joe Biden
(08:03):
called Trump supporters trash. So this was in the closing
days of the campaign, in the October, the final sprint,
and they basically sidelined Mark Cuban, And I've barely seen
the guy anywhere. I think he now spends a lot
of time over on Blue Sky, which I have no
idea who Thankfully I never have to venture into the
(08:24):
Blue Sky streets. I think that was the that was
the Zuckerberg alternative, right that he tried to build to Twitter,
where they have all sorts of protective safeguards for what
cannon cannot be said, and a lot of people say
they're going to go there, but then nothing happens over
on that site and nobody's really kind of paying attention there,
(08:44):
and then they come back. But I do think It
is important to emphasize here that Trump has not only
we know he's done very well with young men, but
a lot of women, many of whom are out there
listening to us right now, either got on the Trump
train early on in twenty sixteen, or as twenty twenty
and twenty twenty four have progressed, have finally ended up
(09:06):
on board the Trump train. I had dinner with a
media executive on Tuesday, a group of them here in Nashville,
and one of the guys there said, you know, I
was totally apolitical. He said, I didn't vote for twenty years.
I was just kind of focused on my career. I
wasn't really focused on politics at all. And then he
was like, I looked up, and I looked around, and
(09:26):
I was like, there really is no other choices there,
Like things have gotten so crazy. He said he was
very happy to go out and vote for Trump in
twenty twenty four, and he hadn't voted hardly in the
twenty first century. And I think there are a lot
of people like that who just get so busy with
work and life that they're not really paying attention to
the larger culture or certainly the day to day of politics,
and it just got so crazy that finally a lot
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of people came in off the sidelines and said.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We got to fix this.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I know we talked about it a lot yesterday, but
I think that it will become clear. It'll take some time,
but the Woke snow White disaster I think could be
the beginning of a change in the creative content business
occurring now. Where they start to go, it's not going
(10:14):
to be conservative, but they're going to start being less
insane because of the I think the financial imperative is
is more clear now than it has been ever before.
People just don't want this stuff, and even Disney can't
afford to keep doing this stuff. You no one can
afford to light hundreds of millions of dollars on fire
on one project, correct, So there's gonna have to be
(10:36):
a reckoning here with the bottom line. I don't think
the individuals in charge have necessarily changed their beliefs at all,
but they're gonna have to stop being so crazy if
they want to stay in business. And this has been
a part of a long transformation. I mean, if you
had we had had this conversation ten years ago, it
would have felt like, oh, my gosh, no way will
(10:57):
they ever.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Abandon the the the.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Tenets of the far left worship that we see in
all of these different media projects. Look at CNN, look
at MSNBC. I mean, we are in a time of
change in the narrative overall in this country, but also
in the gatekeepers and the content creators, corporations, massive corporations,
(11:21):
obviously Bezos and Face and Zuckerberg showing up at the
inauguration with Trump. It's not about Clay, who's a true
believer now. I think the market has changed. That's a difference, right,
It's not oh, because it was. We're gonna build our
own stuff and they're gonna have their stuff, and eventually
our stuff will grow to the size where we'll have
(11:41):
the We talk about the parallel economy, Yes, increasingly, this
is just the economy now where you can't get away
with the fringe twenty percent leftist stuff is starting to
become financially toxic.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's right, and it's very important that that happened. And
this is why we said many if you stop drinking
bud light, and we've used that as an example, you
shouldn't be firebombing bud light trucks.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Right, Like, there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Between saying, Hey, I'm going to put my money where
I feel like my values are and trying to physically
attack and destroy people who make decisions that are different
than you. And I will give a little bit of
credit to bud Light, like I think they lit their
brand on fire metaphorically speaking, but they have been aggressively
trying to win back the audience.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think the challenge, as we said before, is their
beer doesn't taste that much different than a lot of
other light beers, and I'm gonna get dell loosed as
I always do. I can tell the difference between Miller
Lite and Cores Light and bud Light all day Clay
after about two beers. Trust me, you can't. But that's
the challenge that they've got. The brand value that they
created Buck was really just Hey, drinking a beer and
(12:50):
hanging out with your friends is fun. Sports are good,
We like girls in bikinis. Like this was the fun
element that they tried to sell with beer. And then
suddenly they're telling you, hey, here's a dude, and actually
you have to say it's a girl with a bud
Light can and guys just said, yeah, we're not doing this,
and I think that the bottom line ultimately is the driver.
(13:13):
For a long time they said none of this works.
Bud Light is basically destroyed as a brand. Now Disney's
in trouble. Disney's in real trouble when a lot of
parents out there can't trust taking their kids to a
Disney movie because there's all sorts of crazy left wing
politics in it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And if I'm Bob.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Igert, i am looking around and saying, hey, we're done
with this, and sometimes buck those guys can know it's
not smart. But a lot of CEOs are cowards, frankly,
and they follow whatever the herd is going because they
want to keep their jobs. And now Bob iger can
walk into the boardroom or the creative team and he
can say, look, guys, we lost two hundred million dollars
(13:57):
on this movie, like we can't do this ever again,
or the company won't exist. Let's get bite back to
just telling universal, awesome stories for everyone. Example I've used
for a while, how about Top Gun Maverick. Why can't
we go back to the movies that were made in
the eighties and the nineties that truly appealed to everyone
(14:19):
instead of trying to check all these different identity boxes.
Let's just tell universally great stories that have mass appeal
to everyone.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Totally agree.
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Speaker 5 (16:02):
So Trump was at the Women's History celebration and said
a bunch of things.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
We talked about.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The women or women and you can't become a woman comment,
which is is quite clear, but I'm not sure how
many were expecting this one. Trump has added a new
a new title to his list, self described Clay, this
has cut five, the the fertilization President.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
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Speaker 3 (16:29):
We're gonna have tremendous, tremendous goodies in the bag for
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it's gonna be great. We're joined today fertilization. I'm I'm
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Speaker 4 (16:52):
That that's okay, that's not bad. That's not bad. I've
I've been called I've been called much worse. Actually, I
like it, right, I like it. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
He really was leading, really leading into that one, the
fertilization President.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But I think on a.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
More serious side of policy equation, America we need We're
better off than Europe and some other places, but we
need more babies born here in America.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
We need to actually have more Americans.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Some might say that Elon Musk is particularly well suited
to be the fertilizations are inside of the White House.
But but that is very very funny, and you're one
hundred percent right. We need way more children in Western
civilization around the world, whether it's demographic decline, can destroy
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
We had some by the way, a lot of you
want to weigh in, you can always weigh in on
the talkback.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We'll play some of those.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Will also take some of your calls eight hundred and
two A two two eight A two with the things
that we were already talking about. But Buck, I wanted
to come back because we talked about the Governor of Texas,
Greg Abbott, being insulted with the governor hot Wheels line,
and we said, hey, I loved your idea. Put some
(19:34):
like flames on the wheels like I said, wear a
Governor hot Wheels T shirt. I don't like personally the idea,
and I think you're in my camp here to Buck.
When people say mean things to you, I think pretending
to be offended by people saying mean things is actually
a weak look. I think I don't think it looks
good for Republicans to be like.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh, so and so said something mean about.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Me, and this is like, that's what democrats do, and
I don't think we should play into that game, right
the word policing the on.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
My feelings are hurt.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think mockery and ridicule and humor is the way
to handle things like this.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yes, and sometimes even mockery can be quite helpful. Like
when one of you told me that I was starting
to look like Missus Doubtfire and wasn't handsome anymore. I
decided it was time to lose some weight.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Wow, that's a that's a tough hit, Missus Doubtfire.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I mean, oh hello, yeah, wow. Well now see, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Sometimes mockery and ridicule can't can lead to good results.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
And honestly, now now, thanks to that mean person, I'll
be grading parmesan on my abs before long.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So there we go. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You insult Buck and now you've got him back in shape.
And sometimes that is the motivation, right, Like, sometimes people
saying mean things to you can lead to a better result.
This is uh, this is part of why you know
tough love in athletic teams sometimes leads to better food is.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Not applied to people with lifelong disabilities though, So, yes,
you should not be making jokes about Governor Greg Abbotts.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So, but Greg Abbott has the opportunity to really kind
of lean in this into this in a funny way.
And you know what, Jasmin Crockett could have come out
and said, Hey, I'm gonna say That's what I would
have said. Hey, I'm gonna say sometimes jokes.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You may not like.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's life. If you don't like it, don't have to
vote for me. But I think my constituents are probably
still gonna keep voting for me, and they understand that
I'm not gonna be perfect, but my goal is to
fight for them. Like, there's easy ways to handle this. Again,
I can just off the cuff give what the answer
should be. Trump certainly has levied his fair share of
insults over the years, and so I think when Republicans
(21:41):
like try to be offended by things that people say,
I just personally think it's a poor look. Okay, With
that in mind, Jasmin Crockett tried to say, she didn't say, Hey,
I'm gonna make jokes. Sometimes they're gonna land inappropriately. That's life,
deal with it. We're all adults. Kind of what I
would say. She said, Oh, I wasn't referring to the
(22:02):
governor being in a wheelchair when I called him governor
hot wheels. But she has been calling him governor hot
wheels for some time now. People went back, She's done
it on Facebook posts, She's done it on all sorts
of different places. She tried to say, oh, this is
about the deportation policies. She's been doing this for years.
She's making fun of him because he's in a wheelchair
(22:23):
and calling him governor hot wheels. Here she is and
yet another conversation. I think this a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Listen, so the governor called a special session to get
his voter suppression bills through and we have saying this, yes,
it hot wheels.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I mean, I'm sorry, that is hard that she is
mocking him because he's in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Now trying to argue.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And say, oh, I've like this is just a reference
to the fact that buses have wheels and we're putting
people on buses and saying, no, you've been doing this
for years. You've been making fun of the governor because
he's in a wheelchair. And maybe this is a term
that is used in Democrat circles beyond Jasmine Crockett. Maybe
it's something that's talked about privately, not usually said publicly.
(23:10):
But I do think it's important to call people out,
not necessarily for what they say, although that's important, but
when you blatantly lie about what you said and try
to gaslight us and convince us that what you said
wasn't what you actually said, it actually is worse. Like
I think you said this yesterday. Doubling down and trying
(23:31):
to make up an excuse on this, to me is
worse than just being like, hey, it's a joke name
I have for him. I don't like his policies, and
you cannot like it. I mean, I can easily come
up with a reason why she could, why she could
explain this.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This goes along with a much broader trend in the
Democrat Party, which is it's one thing when they lie
to us. It's another thing when they lie to people
that they're trying to fool, but when they lie to
their own side, like to their base, right, So there's
lying to Republicans. That's of course what they do every day.
There's lying to swing voters that's called every election cycle
(24:08):
for Democrats for all of my lifetime. And then there's
lying to like the MSNBC watchers, Right, Biden doesn't have dementia,
for example. Yes, they made them look foolish. They made
their own people look like they're easy to mislead and
that they're buffoons basically that they will not forgive so easily.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
When you say something.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Like this and it's so easily provable that you are lying,
it insults the intelligence of your own audience. It's basically
what I'm what I'm getting at. It insults the intelligence
of the people that you're supposed to be on the
team with. And so that's why this is not This
is not a win for congress Woman Crockett other than
(24:52):
her name is getting out there a whole lot, and
her name unfortunately conflicts with America's greatest coffee company, which
you're going to have to keep on trying to uh
just deal.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
With, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Unfortunate that the Crockett in Texas would end up being
a crazy woman as opposed to a badass sort of legacy.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Uh imagine if she was.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Really like I imagine if she was like a great,
you know, patriot, a conservative, a constitutionalist, and was like
a rising star in the Republican Party, we'd be sending
your Crockett sweatshirts. It'd be fantastic but totally true. Unfortunately,
that's not where we are. You I do, I do hope.
Let me just implore upon this because I know there
(25:33):
are a lot of congressman senators, they're staff White House
people who listen. Please don't fall into the trap of
trying to be offended by things that people say. And
I would encourage all of you out there listening to
us too, Please do not fall into this circular firing squad.
(25:53):
I think we're and I think you would agree with
me on this, Buck, I think we're moving out of
the era of somebody sent a tweet or a Facebook
post or an Instagram post or whatever it is, and
they can never be employed ever again, because, oh my goodness,
can you believe what that one post said? Whether you
work at Low's department stores, or whether you work at McDonald's,
(26:16):
or whether you work in a congressional office, or you're
doing something.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like what Buck and I do.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The idea of hey, somebody screwed something up, and therefore
they should never be able to be employed again because
they have an opinion that's considered to be unacceptable. I
just I fundamentally reject that on all levels. So I
don't want in this era for Republicans to start to
adopt the Democrat policies of oh, somebody said something mean,
(26:45):
mock ridicule, satirize, use humor to point out how absurd
they are and what they said. But please do not
try and play the victim card. I'm so sick of
the victim card. And I'm a friend because I see
it a little bit. I see it a little bit
now kind of starting to pop up as Republicans have
more cultural ascendancy, where you're saying, oh, somebody said something
(27:09):
mean about me, and they should not be able to
have a job anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I don't want us to go down that path. Does
that make sense? Like, I'm afraid when you have a
little bit more cultural powers, don't.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Start trying to play it. I've seen it start to
happen just occasionally on social media with somebody says something
and it's like anyway, it's it's it's easy to get
that sugar high of Hey, somebody said something mean about me,
and like, I'm a victim. Resist it, attack it, have
fun with it, attack the idea, but don't I don't
(27:42):
want cancel culture to emerge on the Republican side of
the equation.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah, yeah, well I don't think it will because I
think that cancel culture is inherently a you know, for guys,
it's very very beta male activity. It's very uh, as
I said before, very low tee very what are you
doing with yourself here?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know it? Don't be don't be such a little girl.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
So yeah, I think that there's less likelihood that our
our team is going to start going down the cancel
culture uh path. And it's been a it's been a
wild ride. I will say that because in media there
has been there was a period of time where they
were going after people like me, like Clay in a big.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
What rush went through.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, they they basically tried to pull every advertiser
off this show, you know, six seven years ago, as
many of you listening know. But there were they went
they were smart in the way that they went after advertisers,
and they found out that a lot of advertisers are
very cowardly and if they even have this astro turf
fake campaign, it was.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Over a decade ago, is what you're talking about, just
seeing it was a long Yeah, it was a long
time ago.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
But but it is emblematic.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's really kind of when they started to hit their
stride and it picked up for years and years and years,
and they really managed to do a good job of
trying to tear FI advertisers and make them think that
these kind of responses were real.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Look, there there were a number of people on our
side of the political isle who were big, big names,
big voices, and they did not bend the knee, and
we should always rush obviously. It was you know, they
wanted to take Rush down for so many years, and
the fact that he just kept on showing up and
being the voice and the leader that he was in
(29:25):
this country and that they couldn't stop him was so important,
right he was. He was like the bulldozer running through
all the barbed wire of the communists. I mean, he
just would not and they tried everything they could, But
there were there were others also they tried to cancel.
I remember they went after Remember they went after Tucker
(29:45):
early on when he was at Fox and No. But
early on when he was at Fox and A big,
he had gone on some different radio shows.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
O then I never found jokes that he had made
years ago, and they.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Were, Yeah, he was on kind of a kind of
a body radio show, if I may so, it's a
bit body and you know, a little a little bit
on the salty side. And he went on and instead
of you know, going on his show on Fox, and
this was early and they were so they were hoping
to just tear him down so quickly. He was like,
(30:15):
m yeah, I see some people found that I said
some naughty words a long time ago. Good luck with that.
You know, just totally was like not happening. And because
he took that position, I actually remember I was texting
with him when he did that, and I was like,
I know that that's who you are, and so you
didn't do it for this reason, but you actually just
did all the rest of us a favor, because by
you refusing to bend the knee, it means that the
(30:37):
rest of us coming up in the ranks behind you
can also do the same.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I one hundred percent agree with that, and I would
just point out that I think it actually ties in
a bit. With the signal controversy that came out this week,
I think Trump has decided I am not going to
give an inch to any of my critics and ever
fire anybody by and large, because they're coming completely without
(31:03):
good faith and they believe that if they can get
one scalp that they It's not like they're ever going
to be satisfied. Right, Let's say that Trump suddenly said, hey,
this is unacceptable, I'm firing X. It's not like they're
going to say, well, we'll go easy on Trump when
why happens because he did X?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
They they don't have a good faith obligation. They're not
trying to solve things here. So I've been doing this now.
This is pretty astonishing when I say this out loud.
I've been doing this now for fifty This will be
fifteen years, which is which is great, especially for those
of you who think I look like I'm still in college.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I've been doing this for fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
And at the beginning, Clay, I remember, there was the
there was the in this cancel culture world. It was
the apology tour thing, right, which I actually think in
some ways is the worst we have to go, Like
I am so sorry that I used the word or
that I said the thing.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
And you go on like these kind of small sea
daytime talk shows.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
They're just, oh, are you really like a changed person,
learned an actress? I've learned just like this, and then
you make the you make the requisite.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know, I've become a better person.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
And also I'm making a donation to some foundation that
you know is is all about whatever the issue, whoever
you offended, you made the donation. But then it changed,
and it really changed, I would say me like by
the end of Obama term one, in my mind at least,
and it started it started to turn into you have
to apologize.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You just said that.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And then it was well, now we're going to take
your career like now you have even when you apologize,
we take your head. You're fired, you're done, you know.
And now we've finally broken out of that where it's no,
don't bend the knee. If you bend the knee, they
take your head. So it's been a it's been a
wild ride, like I said, but I think.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
We're starting to win. Uh. And we're starting to win
every day in big ways. Uh. And we want you
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Speaker 5 (34:19):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got
a lot to get to here. I just want to
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So sometimes if I say he gives me the hand
of the eye signal, usually he wants to say something
that's going to get us yelled at by people who
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com code book. I would also say this, you were
talking about how you got called missusdoubtfire, and so you
decide you need to get in shape.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I am not in.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Incredible shape, as all of you can tell, but I'm
trying to stay in somewhat decent shape. But I will
say one thing that I have done, and I did
this before we started the coffee company, but it's even
more true now. I eliminated soda, and I do feel
a lot better. And I say eliminate. Somebody's going to
see me at a restaurant occasionally they still have my
Mountain Dew, which I drink for a long time. But
(35:51):
if you want caffeine, soda is not.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Very healthy for you.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Just being honest, it has awful amounts of nunk, huge
amount of unhealthy objects. Coffee and water, candidly are two
of the most useful, healthy things that you could drink.
There's actually a lot of good health benefits. So if
you are caffeine person, I wouldn't say try. I was
(36:17):
not a coffee person until a few years ago. I
love it now compared to soda.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Oh yes, no, I've been a coffee person my entire
adult working life. I used to get at the crack
of dawn to get into the CIA in time. Coffee
was the only thing to push me through play. We
didn't get to talk about this. Maybe we'll come back
and get into a little bit. You see that the
Trump administration is take if you're on public benefits, you know,
SNAP or whatever, supplemental nutritional assistance program, fight over whether
(36:43):
you should be able to get soda, Should you be
able to buy soda with your food stamps? Which I
know we don't call that that anymore, but I agree
with those who say no.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I think it's actually a really interesting discussion. It's a
good point. Let's talk about that when we come back
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