April 1, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck delve into several critical topics, starting with the economic impact of Trump's tariffs. They discuss the immediate implementation of tariffs announced by the White House, emphasizing the potential economic dislocation and the long-term benefits of bringing manufacturing jobs back to the United States. Senator Tuberville's comments highlight the initial pain before the gain, stressing the importance of tax cuts and budget reconciliation alongside the tariffs.
The hosts also explore the death penalty debate, focusing on the case of Luigi Mangione, the alleged killer of the United Healthcare CEO. They discuss the complexities of the death penalty process, the ideological divides, and the challenges in securing convictions and carrying out sentences.
Another significant topic is the security concerns surrounding President Trump, particularly the assassination attempts in Butler, Pennsylvania, and at Trump International Golf Course in West Palm Beach. Clay shares his firsthand experience at the golf course, expressing frustration over the security lapses and the proximity of the would-be assassin to Trump.
Additionally, the show covers the importance of voting in special elections, specifically in Florida's First and Sixth Congressional Districts and the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. The hosts emphasize the potential impact of these elections on the political landscape and Republican representation.
The hour also includes discussions on free trade vs. fair trade, with insights into the shift in conservative economic policies under Trump's leadership. The hosts argue for mutuality in trade policies and the benefits of producing goods domestically.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thanks for rolling with us.
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up and ready to go. We have now a lot
of a lot of stress being put on us from
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the media about oh my gosh, the tariffs and what's
going on here. First of all, here's a reminder from
our buddy Stephen Miller, who's the deputy White House Chief
of Staff, that what's going on right now is not
a typical presidency. It is fixing and setting rights big
parts of what this country, America is all about, not
(01:09):
just for this week or this month, but for future
years and even generations to come. Play nine.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
This is the great healing and rejuvenation of the American
economy after half a century of rampant offshoring, outsourcing, and
de industrialization. There was once a time in which Motor
City in Michigan Detroit automakers powered the entire globe. There
was once a time when you could drive through Pennsylvania
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and all you would see were humming steel mills, humming
coal plants, manufacturing facilities again that were supplying the entire world,
supplying Americans and all the planet earth. Foreign countries, countries
like China, Canada, Mexico, Cambodia, Vietnam, and the European Union
took advantage of our country and our leaders.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So we know that the tariffs are a major focus
with the economy right now from the Trump administration, and
there's going to be.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Here you go.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Trump's Liberation Day tariffs will go into effect immediately. According
to the White House just eight minutes ago, Clay President
Donald Trump's promised tariffs are a day away, and they'll
go into effects sooner than some had expected.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
As in immediately. According to the.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
White House Liberation Day, trade policy announcement is expected to
be the most aggressive tariff move yet by President Trump,
and he has vowed to slap tariffs on US imports
for a whole range of different solutions. Now, Clay, they're
saying this is going to be costly, they're saying this
is going to create a lot of economic dislocation. And
(02:43):
to be fair, even here's Senator of Tuberville, who is
a big Trump guy, big Trump supporter. We've had him
on the show many times and he is the one
through which to whom I'm supposed to say war eagle.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That is correct, by the way, Celebrating over the weekend
as the Auburn Tigers rolled into the Final four for
their second time ever, playing against your wife's alma mater,
the Florida Gators on Saturday, Big Game, my.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Beloved Florida Gators, because they are my wife's beloved. So
whatever the Florida Gators, whatever I could do for them,
I love doing.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But here we go.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Here's Senator Tubberville on the tariff situation. You say, look,
it's not going to be without a little bit of
a little bit of pain before we get to the
game play it.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
This is one thing that President Trump has got to sell.
But it's also going to work, but it's going to
be a slow pain first. Before we get the game,
we have to get jobs back in this country. We
have to get manufacturing to comeback. We can't control that
is a Senate The one thing that we can control,
as you said, we can control the tax cuts. We
have to get those done, and we have to get
it done this week, and we'll let President Trump do
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the tariffs. We do the tax cuts, get the debt
limit put in, with this reconciliation fund, the border wall fund,
all of the immigration process that's going on. We have
to get back the business up here. We've been dragging
our feet. But I think with the tariffs this week
and also the budget budget reconciliation that we'll do for
the tax cuts, I think it's all going to come together.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So Clay, I think at some level what we're seeing
here is Trump is right on the has been and
continues to be right on the immigration issue. Has proven
the case. The numbers speak for themselves. The border is
the most secure it has been in truly decades. A
lot of interior enforcements s us to happen. We can
get into some of those numbers DHS Christy Nome talking
(04:31):
about that, We can get into that in a little bit.
But on the economic side of things, what Dose is
doing is important. But the terriff issue might even have
more short term political impact if things get rough between
now and really next summer, all right or not not
this coming summer be the following summer before the midterms, right,
(04:53):
so really you've got fifteen months or so if this
starts to look like it's blowing up in Trump's face,
even if the media is able to make that case,
and that's not a fair assessment of it. The problem
here is what happens if the midterms go against the
Republicans because of the tariffs. It slows the whole agenda down.
So it feels like it's a gamble, but it's one
that Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Is all in on.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, and I don't know about you, but economic geniuses
have gotten so much wrong. My trust level in experts
is at an all time low personally because everything they
have told us for the past several years, it feels
like the experts are batting zero on pretty much every
(05:38):
major issue that has occurred. Now until tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
We won't know.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Exactly what Trump has planned, but I do think it's
significant that Israel just announced that they were ending all
tariffs on American goods in the last few hours.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What is your kind of Let me ask you this,
because I think we've talked about this a little bit,
but I haven't. I asked this question.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I asked this honestly.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
If tariffs are so self evidently self defeating, why do
so many countries have tariffs against the United States on
different issues? Why does Canada have a two hundred percent
dairy tariff for US dairy imports if it's so stupid
and it does nothing good for them, And that's just
(06:26):
one of hundreds that we could talk about here, never
mind China and the policies that they have.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Visa EI the rest of the world.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think where Trump is right is we have a
lot less to lose on tariffs than other countries do.
And what I mean by that is, this is what
happens when you are a net importer of goods when
we have the massive trade deficit that we do. Now,
the arguments out there for those of you that are
paying attention, the economic gurus of the world who are
(06:57):
opposed to tariffs, would say, well, yes, the United States
is a net importer of goods. That is, we spend
more money than than than we make off of our products.
But the result is that our products that we purchase
are incredibly affordable. And I would just use as an example, Buck,
I'm sure you remember this back in the day. One
(07:21):
of the most expensive things I bought when Laura and
I first got married was a flatscreen television. Do you
remember when flatscreen televisions were like five six thousand dollars?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They were really expensive.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I remember pooling money with my college roommates to get
for our common room. Yes, that you know, because we
all we all lived in like the shared housing, to
get for our common room. And we carried it was
it was like when they find the Arc of the
Covenant in Raiders of the Lost ARCA. We carried that
thing with reverence up the stairs.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yes, that flat screen television. Many of you out there
are going to remember when you were able to first
buy one. Speaking of costco with your wife, Carrie Love
and one of the few we're.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Working on this, we're working on the Wokeness over there.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
One of the few places that I actually walk into
you can get a seventy inch flat screen television for
like seven hundred bucks. Now, now these things are manufactured
almost entirely outside the United States. The reason why I
use flat screen television's example is that is something where
you would say the average American consumer is getting a
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really good deal because flat screen televisions can be made
more affordably elsewhere. I mean almost everybody. I'm holding mine
up for video. Almost everybody has an iPhone. Now iPhones
are almost exclusively manufactured in China and the Philippines.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Now now they're starting, Apple has said we're going to
invest more money in them. But the reason why Apple
has the profit margins it does is because of the manufacturer.
There sneakers, all sorts of products.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Okay, so they used to make them all at Fox
Con where they had to put up nets to prevent
people from jumping out and committing suicide for at the
hours they were working so rough stuff. Well this is
all so why I got so fired up over the
Nike products.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
You know, the NBA player saying, oh, America's an awful
place and where you know our people are being taken
advantage of, and then they never mentioned that their tennis
shoes are being made basically oftentimes for slave labor overseas,
and they make hundreds of millions of dollars off of
those deals. The most ridiculous of them actually had deals
(09:26):
with Chinese sneaker companies Buck that bragged about the fact
that they used slave labor in Xingxiang Province cotton produced there.
So the modern day NBA star athlete with a Chinese
sneaker deal, and there were many of them, was actually
making money off slave labor. And meanwhile they're lecturing all
of us about how America is an awful country and
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taking these during the national anthem.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
The hipocrisy was too much.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
So the argument is, okay, yes, we are x our
money is leaving the country, but we're getting better value
than we would if that was pretty here. I don't
know that that is one hundred percent true. In other words,
what would it look like. I've made this argument for
a long time Lebron James. What if Lebron James had said, Hey,
I'm asking all these people to make pay two hundred
(10:14):
dollars for sneakers. What if he had gone to Nike
and said, I want my sneakers produced in Akron, Ohio,
a industrial Midwest city that is struggling, and I understand
the profit margins will be lower, but we'll be able
to employ a lot of Americans to make my shoes.
That would have actually been a really interesting argument. Of course,
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Lebron's never going to say it, because all he cares
about the money that he's making, not about the larger society.
But my point on this is some guys that have
the economic power to relocate to resource actual goods here
and create American jobs that are high paying that people
who otherwise wouldn't get them deserve them. This is the
argument that Trump's making. He basically is doing the anti Lebron.
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He's saying, we should be making good goods that Americans
buy here, and we're going to level the playing field
to help make that happen.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
This is one of the areas where Trump is going
the most against the consensus, even on the Republican side,
longstanding Republican institutions, think tanks, GOP apparatus, you name it.
Free trade has been almost a religious mantra on the
(11:25):
right for as long as you and I have been alive,
and really is going back to Milton Friedman in free
trade has been a thing that you just say and
everyone has to assume it's the best possible way. Now, theoretically,
I can see why. And when I hear the arguments
about this, I go, yeah, of course, it seems like everybody,
everybody benefits, you know, when you have free a free
(11:48):
trade system. Challenge, though, is we don't have free trade globally.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So this is where and this is when Trump came
in with China on the first term, they said he's
going to start a trade war, and the people who
really knew what was going on specifically with China said,
we're already in a trade war with China. We're just
not doing anything. And Biden didn't change anything. But that's
exactly the point that he won on that one ye,
that he went against the consensus so much so that
even Biden's like, look, I'm not gonna mess with this stuff.
(12:13):
He's so was this another one of those moments, And
I bring this to the it's really to me. To me,
it's more almost a question of logic or common sense.
If this is so bad and self defeating, which you
are hearing not just from Democrats who hate Trump, forget
about them. We don't care. They don't know any about
the economy. They want to ruin Western civilization. A lot
of Republicans are saying, ah, I don't know about this. Ah,
(12:33):
it's gonna be rough for the markets, telling me to
kind of brace for impact. Okay, But if there aren't
any benefits to this, why do other countries do them?
Same way that I Clay, I always knew that they're lying.
The media was lying to us about a legal immigration,
because you could never get somebody in the media to
admit that a legal immigration had a downside. Well, if
it has no downside, why do we want to stop it?
R Yes, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Same thing I.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Feel like with tariffs. If tariffs are only downside, why
are other people doing it? I mean other countries doing
it for deck and very aggressive about it. So I
think it's about things that you want and things that
you can get, and there's a negotiation to be had here.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I also think, and we'll know more tomorrow afternoon four
o'clock Eastern.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
This is scheduled.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Markets really hate uncertainty, whatever you think of any particular
economic decision. As soon as business can understand what the
cost structure is going to be and adjust accordingly. Oftentimes
we see the markets adjust, and to me Buck part
of the biggest challenge here in general has been we
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don't really know what the implementation of these policies is
going to look like.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Come tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
In theory, we will have an idea of exactly what
Trump trade policy looks like.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And if you watch the stock market on a.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Regular basis, typically when the stock market moves is when
something hasn't been priced. There is a surprise, there is
an uncertainty, there is an expectation that is upset relative
to the existing marketplace. I would say, in general is
what I've said for a long time by S and
P five hundred. Index funds don't overreact to any day
(14:10):
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they respond emotionally to stock market prices. You look at
prices going down, people sell. You look at prices going up,
people think they're always going to go up. Most people
(14:33):
are emotional, not as much rational, which is why the
best thing to do with your four oh one ks
is not pay that much attention to it on a
day to day basis. I get that it's hard, but
that is my best advice. And tomorrow at four o'clock,
I'm sure we'll be talking about this on Thursday show. Hey,
what do we expect the actual impact is going to be?
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And what will the stock market do? Will get that
first kind of read on that Thursday.
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that we have made since the show started today, get
out and vote if you're in Florida's sixth Congressional district,
Florida's first congressional district, and the entire state of Wisconsin.
These are unexpected, frankly election days when you really break
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it down, six months after the big election in November.
But it's going to be used in some way as
a referendum on Trump. And also we do want to
make sure that we preserve as many of these House
seats as possible, given that the margin in the house
is incredibly tiny. Fuck when we come back, I want
to hit you with what I think is a story
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that is still not being talked about enough. Trump was
almost killed on July thirteenth. We know virtually nothing about
the would be assassin on that day in Butler, Pennsylvania.
But yesterday I played the Trump International Golf Course in
West Palm Beach, and I'm angrier now about the attempted
assassination that took place by that crazy Ukraine lunatic where
(17:20):
the guy was posted up on the sixth hole for
hours and hours all day long and he nearly got
an opportunity to kill Donald Trump. Was that in late August,
even after what happened in July, the fact that this
was allowed to occur, and now that I have seen
that location myself, I want to talk about it because
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I think we're not being told enough about how close
both of those instances were to potentially taking the President's life.
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. A couple of
things to take a quick look at here. One is
the reduction in the federal workforce, just as as of
April first is in the New York Times, So I
assuming this is not April fools, There are impending layoffs
of ten thousand CDC and other health Federal health workers
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confirmed cuts according to the New York Times here at
least forty nine thousand so far. Many of these employees, though,
have been temporarily reinstated after court orders have come down.
As we've discussed after the hashtag resistance judges employees who
took buyouts seventy five thousand.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I can't do the math.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
On that, but what is that as a percentage of
the overall whether there's about million, is two million federal employees,
So you know, you're looking at what they think it
might get up to five percent. Maybe it'll get up
to five percent, we'll see. And then planned reductions at
least one hundred and seventy one thousand. There's a lot
of efficiency stuff that is going on right now. USAID
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basically gutted and go on more than ninety nine percent.
Voice of America got it and gone more than ninety
nine percent. Education Department of Education forty six percent down,
and then HHS Energy IRS CFPB all down in the teens.
You know, the numbers are twelve thirteen, sixteen around there.
So this is They think it could affect a total
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clay of twelve percent of the two point four million
civilian federal workers. So that's the total effected. Maybe the
buyouts could be five to ten percent. They thought maybe
even more like five percent. But I think you have
a particular perspective here. The Secret Service, which had a
very bad year in twenty twenty four. Let's just be
(20:40):
frank about that. A very bad year for this. I mean,
it could have been worse, God forbid, but it was
pretty bad as it was. You were at the golf course.
Tell everybody where the second assassination attempt against Trump occurred,
and what did you learn from seeing that environment yourself
up close?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
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and you would be interested in playing in that event,
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which I hope I'll be able to do, next year
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to help those in need. They do phenomenal work. So
that's where I was, That's why I was playing there.
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I had not been to this Trump International Course in
West Palm Beach before. I'm an awful golfer. I love
playing golf. I don't get to do it very often.
But as we're going around the course yesterday and thank
you for holding down the fort on the show, I
got to see and my caddie was there explaining to
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me exactly the locations of this would be second assassin,
And having seen it on the ground now for myself,
it is unbelievable to me that we have not gotten
more details about this because this guy was going to
come insanely close to Trump and an area where you
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could not miss. And what I was told by people
who were there was that it was the glinting of
the sunlight off of the barrel of his gun that
made him noticeable. Trump was only one hole away from
this guy being able to murder Trump right after the
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July thirteen terrorists had come within would be assassin had
come within a quarter of an inch of killing Trump
on live television at that Butler, Pennsylvania rally.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Buck this area.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The fact that it was not swept, the fact that
the Secret Service didn't have people in those bushlines, the
fact that they allowed this guy to get there it dawned,
and be there for hours and have Trump one hole
away from him walking up and being killed right there
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is indefensible, and we have not gotten I don't think
the full story on either of these would be killers.
This guy after Butler, Pennsylvania, I would argue it's even
more indefensible than what happened at Butler because it wasn't
like the guy was on the roof of that building
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in Butler for eight hours in advance.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I can't believe that this happened.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I totally see what you mean about the second one.
The first one, I do think the very first place
that anybody would have wanted to clear it would have
been the roof where the guys set up.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
This is what I'm saying about this. When you went
to that golf course with me, Buck, you would look
at this and you would say, how in the world
do they not have this parking lot managed, like have
agents walking along inside of this bushline. The fact that
they allowed this to happen, it feels intentional to me.
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It feels like there was first of all, some sort
of inside knowledge that this guy knew that Trump was
likely to be playing that course.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
On this day.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But of all the places that you would be on
this course, this is really the only place you need
to secure.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So really, what you're saying is there were two assassination
attempts against Trump that both relied on the most obvious
possible platform for the shooter, positioning for the shooter of all. Yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I mean this is that we haven't talked about. I mean,
I'm saying the collective media as a whole for this
to happen after the failures of Butler, Buck, We're talking.
It's one thing Butler, you know, it comes out of nowhere,
and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It was utterly indefensible.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But the most predictable places that you would expect someone
to try to kill the president were unsecured. After Butler,
they let it happen again, and we still don't know
anything about these guys, right, I mean, compare what we
know about these guys to the average mass shooter, who
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they have front page articles about.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
We know everything about them.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
And when I played this course yesterday, it just I
stood there and I looked at that bushline, and I said,
how is it possible that they let a guy sit
there all day and nobody was securing that area? Again,
the course is not particularly complicated to secure.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Again, I don't like to take us into a really
dark and macabre direction, but imagine the feeling in the
country if, after that first assassination attempt, a second assassin,
just as blatant and honestly tactically lacking in proficiency, was successful,
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even just in wounding Trump a second time. Never Mind,
God forbid, something else could have happened. Who would have
believed that that was just grotesque in confidence twice over
by a multi billion dollar federal agency that's supposed to
be able to protect the president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Buck he got away too it.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
He got into a car and drove away, And the
only reason we caught him, like fifty minutes down the
road was because a woman in the parking lot saw
him fleeing and wrote down his license plate. In other words,
if this guy had been able to get shots on Trump,
which he nearly did, he might have been able to
(27:01):
get away. Yeah, so it's not even I think at
a minimum most people think, well, if you get a
shot at the president, you're giving up your life. This
guy got away and the only reason we knew who
he was was because a random woman think the ward
she was there, took down the license plate. And again
I understand people say, well, he's okay now he's been
(27:22):
elected president. I understand that that is. I think the
ward happened. But I don't think we can let July
in August and what nearly happened just vanish and not
be having a bigger question about who knew what, how
did these guys end up in the position that they did,
And are we just supposed to expect and and and
(27:45):
believe that these were totally lone wolf would be assassins.
It just feels unlikely ton't didn't seek the service. Also,
fire a bunch of someone fired a bunch of rounds
at him from pretty close and didn't hit and didn't
hit him right.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes, Andy got away again, he got into his car
and drove off.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
My understanding was it was I should check and see,
but it was a number of rounds from a pretty
close distance. Well that's why I bring up that the
guy was able to get away, so you can you
can set up a sniper position against the president and
Secret Service doesn't figure it out until you almost were
able to get the shots off again the second time,
never mind the first time when he did get a
shot off and hit the president of the ear, which
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is still something I feel like our national psyche is processing.
You know, how close we came as a country.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
To the abyss.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't even like to think about it or go there,
because Heaven forbid it. Just you know, God was on
Trump's shoulder that day, and we got lucky as a nation.
I don't care what somebody thinks about Trump. We got
lucky as a nation because that didn't you know, the
worst didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Then that's right.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But that the Secret Service, I don't know what needs
to be done to to fix it so that their
procedures or more of you know, I think it's a
three billion dollars a year agency and they really have
one job. I know, they protect a bunch of people.
But you know, the Hunter Biden protection detail is different
than the Trump protection detail. I think we all understand that, right.
(29:16):
And they had one job and they almost couldn't do that.
It's pretty pretty terrifying when you think about the you know,
we talk about the incompetence that us usaid in these
other places. Secret Service got incredibly lucky in twenty twenty
four that the worst didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Trump would be dead if they had had a truly competent,
trained assassin, oh definitely trying to kill him at either
of those times.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, he would be dead.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And the fact that we allowed that to happen in
July and we allowed it to happen again in August,
to me is utterly indefensible. And again being on the
ground and seeing that if all of you walked that
golf course with me and you said, okay, where is
the most dangerous place that's going to be on this
golf course, we would all flag that exact location. And
(30:04):
the fact that the Secret Service allowed that guy to
be there all day, for hours. It's not like he
pulled up ten minutes beforehand. He was there since dawn
and came within a few hundred yards of the President
being right in front of him and it being almost
impossible for him to miss. I just it's not talked
about enough, and it makes me nervous because it makes
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me worry about trump safety going forward, even though he's
now the president, and even though he now has a
better protective detail. If they failed that bad twice, why
would they not fail that bad a third time.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well, I think Trump is putting some of the people
in positions. Now you would hope, yeah, you would hope,
But I think he is. I mean, you see, you
know cash at FBI Dan Bongino, former Secret Service as
deputy FBI Director. I know that's not Secret Service, but
these guys understand what's at play here and are going
to fix it.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
But yeah, it is incredibly important that these issues are
addressed from the whole gamut of a bloated federal government
with way too many people doing nothing, to the parts
of the federal government that we need to be good
and need to be perfect. Secretary hegset at the DoD
for example, This is his mission. The parts of our
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be a game. It cannot be in secret Service DoD
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hanging out with us. Bunch of you want to weigh
in on topics we've been discussing so far. Uh, let's
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in Marietta, California, what you got for us?
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Hey, what's up? Plan? But love the show?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Catch it every day, Appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
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Speaker 2 (34:08):
That's amazing than so I'm excited.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Yeah. So, in regards to the media's hypothetical fear tactics
on tariffs, let's just remind everybody of the actual pain
of Biden's inflation rates. You know, sometimes hitting double digits
stacked year over year. That's still a pain that we're
feeling today.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I think that's husually important. And remember, all Trump is
asking for is mutuality of fair trade. In other words,
if we are not putting major tariffs on your products,
then you shouldn't put tariffs on our products. Israel is
a good example. Israel just said, yeah, we're doing away
with all tariffs on American goods, and I would imagine
that America will not have tariffs on Israeli goods and
(34:52):
what those goods are exactly. I mean, Israel is a
much smaller country. But this is where we have a
competitive advantage because other countries. He's need our market more
by and large than we need other countries markets. Art
in Big Sir, California. This beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, everyone gets excited about how beautiful Big Sir is.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Art?
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Oh hey, guys, uh, thanks for having me on. I
was responding to something you said earlier about free trade,
and I was reminded of my college experience, and I
think buck and relate to this. I suppose I'm a
little older. But anyways, back in the eighties I went
to the University of San Diego. I majored in economics.
(35:36):
Peter Navarro was one of my professors, and you know,
back then, you know it was kind of a conservative campus.
I mean we used to kind of laugh at the
lib professors and whatnot, especially in economics. And you know,
the idea of of free trade was just like religion
was like yeah, of course, you know. I mean, and
back then, if you remember, you know, the unions had
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kind of a death grip on things, and you know,
the opening of China. All of the things that happened
with free trade really benefited us in terms of keeping
inflation down, you know, challenging the conversion of American industry
towards the service sector and whatnot. But I mean, things
have changed now, so you can be a conservative and
(36:21):
a sane individual and good standing if you stand for
things that now we've ruled from free trade to fair trade.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Thank you for the call. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
By the way, I think he's describing the shift in
conservatism that has occurred, or rather in certainly the GOP
with Trump leading it.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
The first super smart person I heard that I knew
saying he was voting for Trump was my father in
law in Michigan, and he was basically voting Trump because
he said, we need to build more things.
All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
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of a lot of stress being put on us from
(00:47):
the media about oh my gosh, the tariffs and what's
going on here. First of all, here's a reminder from
our buddy Stephen Miller, who's the deputy White House Chief
of Staff, that what's going on right now is not
a typical presidency. It is fixing and setting rights big
parts of what this country, America is all about, not
(01:09):
just for this week or this month, but for future
years and even generations to come. Play nine.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
This is the great healing and rejuvenation of the American
economy after half a century of rampant offshoring, outsourcing, and
de industrialization. There was once a time in which Motor
City in Michigan Detroit automakers powered the entire globe. There
was once a time when you could drive through Pennsylvania
(01:35):
and all you would see were humming steel mills, humming
coal plants, manufacturing facilities again that were supplying the entire world,
supplying Americans and all the planet earth. Foreign countries, countries
like China, Canada, Mexico, Cambodia, Vietnam, and the European Union
took advantage of our country and our leaders.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So we know that the tariffs are a major focus
with the economy right now from the Trump administration, and
there's going to be.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Here you go.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Trump's Liberation Day tariffs will go into effect immediately. According
to the White House just eight minutes ago, Clay President
Donald Trump's promised tariffs are a day away, and they'll
go into effects sooner than some had expected.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
As in immediately. According to the.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
White House Liberation Day, trade policy announcement is expected to
be the most aggressive tariff move yet by President Trump,
and he has vowed to slap tariffs on US imports
for a whole range of different solutions. Now, Clay, they're
saying this is going to be costly, they're saying this
is going to create a lot of economic dislocation. And
(02:43):
to be fair, even here's Senator of Tuberville, who is
a big Trump guy, big Trump supporter. We've had him
on the show many times and he is the one
through which to whom I'm supposed to say war eagle.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That is correct, by the way, Celebrating over the weekend
as the Auburn Tigers rolled into the Final four for
their second time ever, playing against your wife's alma mater,
the Florida Gators on Saturday, Big Game, my.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Beloved Florida Gators, because they are my wife's beloved. So
whatever the Florida Gators, whatever I could do for them,
I love doing.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But here we go.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Here's Senator Tubberville on the tariff situation. You say, look,
it's not going to be without a little bit of
a little bit of pain before we get to the
game play it.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
This is one thing that President Trump has got to sell.
But it's also going to work, but it's going to
be a slow pain first. Before we get the game,
we have to get jobs back in this country. We
have to get manufacturing to comeback. We can't control that
is a Senate The one thing that we can control,
as you said, we can control the tax cuts. We
have to get those done, and we have to get
it done this week, and we'll let President Trump do
(03:51):
the tariffs. We do the tax cuts, get the debt
limit put in, with this reconciliation fund, the border wall fund,
all of the immigration process that's going on. We have
to get back the business up here. We've been dragging
our feet. But I think with the tariffs this week
and also the budget budget reconciliation that we'll do for
the tax cuts, I think it's all going to come together.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So Clay, I think at some level what we're seeing
here is Trump is right on the has been and
continues to be right on the immigration issue. Has proven
the case. The numbers speak for themselves. The border is
the most secure it has been in truly decades. A
lot of interior enforcements s us to happen. We can
get into some of those numbers DHS Christy Nome talking
(04:31):
about that, We can get into that in a little bit.
But on the economic side of things, what Dose is
doing is important. But the terriff issue might even have
more short term political impact if things get rough between
now and really next summer, all right or not not
this coming summer be the following summer before the midterms, right,
(04:53):
so really you've got fifteen months or so if this
starts to look like it's blowing up in Trump's face,
even if the media is able to make that case,
and that's not a fair assessment of it. The problem
here is what happens if the midterms go against the
Republicans because of the tariffs. It slows the whole agenda down.
So it feels like it's a gamble, but it's one
that Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Is all in on.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, and I don't know about you, but economic geniuses
have gotten so much wrong. My trust level in experts
is at an all time low personally because everything they
have told us for the past several years, it feels
like the experts are batting zero on pretty much every
(05:38):
major issue that has occurred. Now until tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
We won't know.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Exactly what Trump has planned, but I do think it's
significant that Israel just announced that they were ending all
tariffs on American goods in the last few hours.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What is your kind of Let me ask you this,
because I think we've talked about this a little bit,
but I haven't. I asked this question.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I asked this honestly.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
If tariffs are so self evidently self defeating, why do
so many countries have tariffs against the United States on
different issues? Why does Canada have a two hundred percent
dairy tariff for US dairy imports if it's so stupid
and it does nothing good for them, And that's just
(06:26):
one of hundreds that we could talk about here, never
mind China and the policies that they have.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Visa EI the rest of the world.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think where Trump is right is we have a
lot less to lose on tariffs than other countries do.
And what I mean by that is, this is what
happens when you are a net importer of goods when
we have the massive trade deficit that we do. Now,
the arguments out there for those of you that are
paying attention, the economic gurus of the world who are
(06:57):
opposed to tariffs, would say, well, yes, the United States
is a net importer of goods. That is, we spend
more money than than than we make off of our products.
But the result is that our products that we purchase
are incredibly affordable. And I would just use as an example, Buck,
I'm sure you remember this back in the day. One
(07:21):
of the most expensive things I bought when Laura and
I first got married was a flatscreen television. Do you
remember when flatscreen televisions were like five six thousand dollars?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They were really expensive.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I remember pooling money with my college roommates to get
for our common room. Yes, that you know, because we
all we all lived in like the shared housing, to
get for our common room. And we carried it was
it was like when they find the Arc of the
Covenant in Raiders of the Lost ARCA. We carried that
thing with reverence up the stairs.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yes, that flat screen television. Many of you out there
are going to remember when you were able to first
buy one. Speaking of costco with your wife, Carrie Love
and one of the few we're.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Working on this, we're working on the Wokeness over there.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
One of the few places that I actually walk into
you can get a seventy inch flat screen television for
like seven hundred bucks. Now, now these things are manufactured
almost entirely outside the United States. The reason why I
use flat screen television's example is that is something where
you would say the average American consumer is getting a
(08:25):
really good deal because flat screen televisions can be made
more affordably elsewhere. I mean almost everybody. I'm holding mine
up for video. Almost everybody has an iPhone. Now iPhones
are almost exclusively manufactured in China and the Philippines.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Now now they're starting, Apple has said we're going to
invest more money in them. But the reason why Apple
has the profit margins it does is because of the manufacturer.
There sneakers, all sorts of products.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Okay, so they used to make them all at Fox
Con where they had to put up nets to prevent
people from jumping out and committing suicide for at the
hours they were working so rough stuff. Well this is
all so why I got so fired up over the
Nike products.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
You know, the NBA player saying, oh, America's an awful
place and where you know our people are being taken
advantage of, and then they never mentioned that their tennis
shoes are being made basically oftentimes for slave labor overseas,
and they make hundreds of millions of dollars off of
those deals. The most ridiculous of them actually had deals
(09:26):
with Chinese sneaker companies Buck that bragged about the fact
that they used slave labor in Xingxiang Province cotton produced there.
So the modern day NBA star athlete with a Chinese
sneaker deal, and there were many of them, was actually
making money off slave labor. And meanwhile they're lecturing all
of us about how America is an awful country and
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taking these during the national anthem.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
The hipocrisy was too much.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
So the argument is, okay, yes, we are x our
money is leaving the country, but we're getting better value
than we would if that was pretty here. I don't
know that that is one hundred percent true. In other words,
what would it look like. I've made this argument for
a long time Lebron James. What if Lebron James had said, Hey,
I'm asking all these people to make pay two hundred
(10:14):
dollars for sneakers. What if he had gone to Nike
and said, I want my sneakers produced in Akron, Ohio,
a industrial Midwest city that is struggling, and I understand
the profit margins will be lower, but we'll be able
to employ a lot of Americans to make my shoes.
That would have actually been a really interesting argument. Of course,
(10:34):
Lebron's never going to say it, because all he cares
about the money that he's making, not about the larger society.
But my point on this is some guys that have
the economic power to relocate to resource actual goods here
and create American jobs that are high paying that people
who otherwise wouldn't get them deserve them. This is the
argument that Trump's making. He basically is doing the anti Lebron.
(10:58):
He's saying, we should be making good goods that Americans
buy here, and we're going to level the playing field
to help make that happen.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
This is one of the areas where Trump is going
the most against the consensus, even on the Republican side,
longstanding Republican institutions, think tanks, GOP apparatus, you name it.
Free trade has been almost a religious mantra on the
(11:25):
right for as long as you and I have been alive,
and really is going back to Milton Friedman in free
trade has been a thing that you just say and
everyone has to assume it's the best possible way. Now, theoretically,
I can see why. And when I hear the arguments
about this, I go, yeah, of course, it seems like everybody,
everybody benefits, you know, when you have free a free
(11:48):
trade system. Challenge, though, is we don't have free trade globally.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So this is where and this is when Trump came
in with China on the first term, they said he's
going to start a trade war, and the people who
really knew what was going on specifically with China said,
we're already in a trade war with China. We're just
not doing anything. And Biden didn't change anything. But that's
exactly the point that he won on that one ye,
that he went against the consensus so much so that
even Biden's like, look, I'm not gonna mess with this stuff.
(12:13):
He's so was this another one of those moments, And
I bring this to the it's really to me. To me,
it's more almost a question of logic or common sense.
If this is so bad and self defeating, which you
are hearing not just from Democrats who hate Trump, forget
about them. We don't care. They don't know any about
the economy. They want to ruin Western civilization. A lot
of Republicans are saying, ah, I don't know about this. Ah,
(12:33):
it's gonna be rough for the markets, telling me to
kind of brace for impact. Okay, But if there aren't
any benefits to this, why do other countries do them?
Same way that I Clay, I always knew that they're lying.
The media was lying to us about a legal immigration,
because you could never get somebody in the media to
admit that a legal immigration had a downside. Well, if
it has no downside, why do we want to stop it?
R Yes, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Same thing I.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Feel like with tariffs. If tariffs are only downside, why
are other people doing it? I mean other countries doing
it for deck and very aggressive about it. So I
think it's about things that you want and things that
you can get, and there's a negotiation to be had here.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I also think, and we'll know more tomorrow afternoon four
o'clock Eastern.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
This is scheduled.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Markets really hate uncertainty, whatever you think of any particular
economic decision. As soon as business can understand what the
cost structure is going to be and adjust accordingly. Oftentimes
we see the markets adjust, and to me Buck part
of the biggest challenge here in general has been we
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don't really know what the implementation of these policies is
going to look like.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Come tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
In theory, we will have an idea of exactly what
Trump trade policy looks like.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And if you watch the stock market on a.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Regular basis, typically when the stock market moves is when
something hasn't been priced. There is a surprise, there is
an uncertainty, there is an expectation that is upset relative
to the existing marketplace. I would say, in general is
what I've said for a long time by S and
P five hundred. Index funds don't overreact to any day
(14:10):
to day market manipulation or movement. And if you believe
that the future of America is bright, and I do,
every ten years or so, your index fund should double.
And most of the time people get in trouble when
they respond emotionally to stock market prices. You look at
prices going down, people sell. You look at prices going up,
people think they're always going to go up. Most people
(14:33):
are emotional, not as much rational, which is why the
best thing to do with your four oh one ks
is not pay that much attention to it on a
day to day basis. I get that it's hard, but
that is my best advice. And tomorrow at four o'clock,
I'm sure we'll be talking about this on Thursday show. Hey,
what do we expect the actual impact is going to be?
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And what will the stock market do? Will get that
first kind of read on that Thursday.
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These are unexpected, frankly election days when you really break
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But it's going to be used in some way as
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that is still not being talked about enough. Trump was
almost killed on July thirteenth. We know virtually nothing about
the would be assassin on that day in Butler, Pennsylvania.
But yesterday I played the Trump International Golf Course in
West Palm Beach, and I'm angrier now about the attempted
assassination that took place by that crazy Ukraine lunatic where
(17:20):
the guy was posted up on the sixth hole for
hours and hours all day long and he nearly got
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even after what happened in July, the fact that this
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. A couple of
things to take a quick look at here. One is
the reduction in the federal workforce, just as as of
April first is in the New York Times, So I
assuming this is not April fools, There are impending layoffs
of ten thousand CDC and other health Federal health workers
(19:13):
confirmed cuts according to the New York Times here at
least forty nine thousand so far. Many of these employees, though,
have been temporarily reinstated after court orders have come down.
As we've discussed after the hashtag resistance judges employees who
took buyouts seventy five thousand.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I can't do the math.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
On that, but what is that as a percentage of
the overall whether there's about million, is two million federal employees,
So you know, you're looking at what they think it
might get up to five percent. Maybe it'll get up
to five percent, we'll see. And then planned reductions at
least one hundred and seventy one thousand. There's a lot
of efficiency stuff that is going on right now. USAID
(19:59):
basically gutted and go on more than ninety nine percent.
Voice of America got it and gone more than ninety
nine percent. Education Department of Education forty six percent down,
and then HHS Energy IRS CFPB all down in the teens.
You know, the numbers are twelve thirteen, sixteen around there.
So this is They think it could affect a total
(20:20):
clay of twelve percent of the two point four million
civilian federal workers. So that's the total effected. Maybe the
buyouts could be five to ten percent. They thought maybe
even more like five percent. But I think you have
a particular perspective here. The Secret Service, which had a
very bad year in twenty twenty four. Let's just be
(20:40):
frank about that. A very bad year for this. I mean,
it could have been worse, God forbid, but it was
pretty bad as it was. You were at the golf course.
Tell everybody where the second assassination attempt against Trump occurred,
and what did you learn from seeing that environment yourself
up close?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
So first of all, I I urage you guys go
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(21:42):
I had not been to this Trump International Course in
West Palm Beach before. I'm an awful golfer. I love
playing golf. I don't get to do it very often.
But as we're going around the course yesterday and thank
you for holding down the fort on the show, I
got to see and my caddie was there explaining to
(22:02):
me exactly the locations of this would be second assassin,
And having seen it on the ground now for myself,
it is unbelievable to me that we have not gotten
more details about this because this guy was going to
come insanely close to Trump and an area where you
(22:26):
could not miss. And what I was told by people
who were there was that it was the glinting of
the sunlight off of the barrel of his gun that
made him noticeable. Trump was only one hole away from
this guy being able to murder Trump right after the
(22:47):
July thirteen terrorists had come within would be assassin had
come within a quarter of an inch of killing Trump
on live television at that Butler, Pennsylvania rally.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Buck this area.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The fact that it was not swept, the fact that
the Secret Service didn't have people in those bushlines, the
fact that they allowed this guy to get there it dawned,
and be there for hours and have Trump one hole
away from him walking up and being killed right there
(23:21):
is indefensible, and we have not gotten I don't think
the full story on either of these would be killers.
This guy after Butler, Pennsylvania, I would argue it's even
more indefensible than what happened at Butler because it wasn't
like the guy was on the roof of that building
(23:42):
in Butler for eight hours in advance.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I can't believe that this happened.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I totally see what you mean about the second one.
The first one, I do think the very first place
that anybody would have wanted to clear it would have
been the roof where the guys set up.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
This is what I'm saying about this. When you went
to that golf course with me, Buck, you would look
at this and you would say, how in the world
do they not have this parking lot managed, like have
agents walking along inside of this bushline. The fact that
they allowed this to happen, it feels intentional to me.
(24:18):
It feels like there was first of all, some sort
of inside knowledge that this guy knew that Trump was
likely to be playing that course.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
On this day.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But of all the places that you would be on
this course, this is really the only place you need
to secure.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So really, what you're saying is there were two assassination
attempts against Trump that both relied on the most obvious
possible platform for the shooter, positioning for the shooter of all. Yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I mean this is that we haven't talked about. I mean,
I'm saying the collective media as a whole for this
to happen after the failures of Butler, Buck, We're talking.
It's one thing Butler, you know, it comes out of nowhere,
and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It was utterly indefensible.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But the most predictable places that you would expect someone
to try to kill the president were unsecured. After Butler,
they let it happen again, and we still don't know
anything about these guys, right, I mean, compare what we
know about these guys to the average mass shooter, who
(25:27):
they have front page articles about.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
We know everything about them.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
And when I played this course yesterday, it just I
stood there and I looked at that bushline, and I said,
how is it possible that they let a guy sit
there all day and nobody was securing that area? Again,
the course is not particularly complicated to secure.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Again, I don't like to take us into a really
dark and macabre direction, but imagine the feeling in the
country if, after that first assassination attempt, a second assassin,
just as blatant and honestly tactically lacking in proficiency, was successful,
(26:19):
even just in wounding Trump a second time. Never Mind,
God forbid, something else could have happened. Who would have
believed that that was just grotesque in confidence twice over
by a multi billion dollar federal agency that's supposed to
be able to protect the president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Buck he got away too it.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
He got into a car and drove away, And the
only reason we caught him, like fifty minutes down the
road was because a woman in the parking lot saw
him fleeing and wrote down his license plate. In other words,
if this guy had been able to get shots on Trump,
which he nearly did, he might have been able to
(27:01):
get away. Yeah, so it's not even I think at
a minimum most people think, well, if you get a
shot at the president, you're giving up your life. This
guy got away and the only reason we knew who
he was was because a random woman think the ward
she was there, took down the license plate. And again
I understand people say, well, he's okay now he's been
(27:22):
elected president. I understand that that is. I think the
ward happened. But I don't think we can let July
in August and what nearly happened just vanish and not
be having a bigger question about who knew what, how
did these guys end up in the position that they did,
And are we just supposed to expect and and and
(27:45):
believe that these were totally lone wolf would be assassins.
It just feels unlikely ton't didn't seek the service. Also,
fire a bunch of someone fired a bunch of rounds
at him from pretty close and didn't hit and didn't
hit him right.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes, Andy got away again, he got into his car
and drove off.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
My understanding was it was I should check and see,
but it was a number of rounds from a pretty
close distance. Well that's why I bring up that the
guy was able to get away, so you can you
can set up a sniper position against the president and
Secret Service doesn't figure it out until you almost were
able to get the shots off again the second time,
never mind the first time when he did get a
shot off and hit the president of the ear, which
(28:26):
is still something I feel like our national psyche is processing.
You know, how close we came as a country.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
To the abyss.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't even like to think about it or go there,
because Heaven forbid it. Just you know, God was on
Trump's shoulder that day, and we got lucky as a nation.
I don't care what somebody thinks about Trump. We got
lucky as a nation because that didn't you know, the
worst didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Then that's right.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But that the Secret Service, I don't know what needs
to be done to to fix it so that their
procedures or more of you know, I think it's a
three billion dollars a year agency and they really have
one job. I know, they protect a bunch of people.
But you know, the Hunter Biden protection detail is different
than the Trump protection detail. I think we all understand that, right.
(29:16):
And they had one job and they almost couldn't do that.
It's pretty pretty terrifying when you think about the you know,
we talk about the incompetence that us usaid in these
other places. Secret Service got incredibly lucky in twenty twenty
four that the worst didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Trump would be dead if they had had a truly competent,
trained assassin, oh definitely trying to kill him at either
of those times.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, he would be dead.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And the fact that we allowed that to happen in
July and we allowed it to happen again in August,
to me is utterly indefensible. And again being on the
ground and seeing that if all of you walked that
golf course with me and you said, okay, where is
the most dangerous place that's going to be on this
golf course, we would all flag that exact location. And
(30:04):
the fact that the Secret Service allowed that guy to
be there all day, for hours. It's not like he
pulled up ten minutes beforehand. He was there since dawn
and came within a few hundred yards of the President
being right in front of him and it being almost
impossible for him to miss. I just it's not talked
about enough, and it makes me nervous because it makes
(30:26):
me worry about trump safety going forward, even though he's
now the president, and even though he now has a
better protective detail. If they failed that bad twice, why
would they not fail that bad a third time.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well, I think Trump is putting some of the people
in positions. Now you would hope, yeah, you would hope,
But I think he is. I mean, you see, you
know cash at FBI Dan Bongino, former Secret Service as
deputy FBI Director. I know that's not Secret Service, but
these guys understand what's at play here and are going
to fix it.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
But yeah, it is incredibly important that these issues are
addressed from the whole gamut of a bloated federal government
with way too many people doing nothing, to the parts
of the federal government that we need to be good
and need to be perfect. Secretary hegset at the DoD
for example, This is his mission. The parts of our
(31:20):
government that have to be absolutely a game, need to
be a game. It cannot be in secret Service DoD
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in Marietta, California, what you got for us?
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Hey, what's up? Plan? But love the show?
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That's amazing than so I'm excited.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Yeah. So, in regards to the media's hypothetical fear tactics
on tariffs, let's just remind everybody of the actual pain
of Biden's inflation rates. You know, sometimes hitting double digits
stacked year over year. That's still a pain that we're
feeling today.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I think that's husually important. And remember, all Trump is
asking for is mutuality of fair trade. In other words,
if we are not putting major tariffs on your products,
then you shouldn't put tariffs on our products. Israel is
a good example. Israel just said, yeah, we're doing away
with all tariffs on American goods, and I would imagine
that America will not have tariffs on Israeli goods and
(34:52):
what those goods are exactly. I mean, Israel is a
much smaller country. But this is where we have a
competitive advantage because other countries. He's need our market more
by and large than we need other countries markets. Art
in Big Sir, California. This beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, everyone gets excited about how beautiful Big Sir is.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Art?
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Oh hey, guys, uh, thanks for having me on. I
was responding to something you said earlier about free trade,
and I was reminded of my college experience, and I
think buck and relate to this. I suppose I'm a
little older. But anyways, back in the eighties I went
to the University of San Diego. I majored in economics.
(35:36):
Peter Navarro was one of my professors, and you know,
back then, you know it was kind of a conservative campus.
I mean we used to kind of laugh at the
lib professors and whatnot, especially in economics. And you know,
the idea of of free trade was just like religion
was like yeah, of course, you know. I mean, and
back then, if you remember, you know, the unions had
(35:58):
kind of a death grip on things, and you know,
the opening of China. All of the things that happened
with free trade really benefited us in terms of keeping
inflation down, you know, challenging the conversion of American industry
towards the service sector and whatnot. But I mean, things
have changed now, so you can be a conservative and
(36:21):
a sane individual and good standing if you stand for
things that now we've ruled from free trade to fair trade.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Thank you for the call. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
By the way, I think he's describing the shift in
conservatism that has occurred, or rather in certainly the GOP
with Trump leading it.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
The first super smart person I heard that I knew
saying he was voting for Trump was my father in
law in Michigan, and he was basically voting Trump because
he said, we need to build more things.
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