Brian Callahan On Taking Over From Mike Vrabel + Expectations For Next Season

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Roland.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Let me lock in with this, Lucy, because I have
a public service announcement for all of our viewers are
long time tier ones, the crunch of a Lucy Man.
Listen for the past few months in the comment section,

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the Boys landscape, there has been a call to action
bringing back the older intro. We want the older intro now.
Behind the scenes, when the cameras aren't on, there's text
messages flowing between me and Will some of the boys.
They whisper in the back. We need to bring it back.
Why are we bringing it back? There's a reason why
I'm sitting on this bus alone today, and the reason

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is the vote has won. You people have won. And
I hate saying that because I don't want this whole
like now we control Busting with the Boys, but as
a part of a bro's podcast, a podcast that we
all hang out and enjoy each other and listen to
our viewers and want to give them the best we
can possibly give them. I'm here to tell you the
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is now back. Please enjoy the old intro.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Alright, We're good.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
You like that, Busting with the boys, hanging with the faces,
betting on a game.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
No moment's gonna tell us what you can knop.

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We're here just drinking beer and making a baby. I'm
hanging with the feelers, busting with the boys.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I hope you guys all enjoyed that old intro. This
week on Busting with the Boys Special Special time, we
now for the second time, have a Titans head coach
on Brian Callahan joins us on the bus an hour
and forty minutes of him just talking ball, talking shop.
Jack McPherson maybe had the best question of the entire
episode is are you going to bring back the pain train?

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And those of you who have sat in Nissan Stadium
before the last two years and have got the opportunity
to see a game and see on the big screen
Terry Tate office linebacker and then Johnny Cash slowly following
that know exactly who he's talking about. So hopefully those whispers,
those words get in his little brain and he is
able to tell the entertainment staff we need to bring

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that back to Nissan Stadium every single day. One thing
if you don't have in your life you need to
bring it back in your life. That is the Chevy
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thing is, it all starts with a Chevy truck. Now,
this is a very cool podcast for Busting with the
Boys because when our show started, Mike Rabel was the
head coach of the Tennessee Titans, and as a player
who just signed a contract, who will you know, first
year with the Titans, You really don't know how the

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Titans feel about having now a public platform for people
to go listen to and enjoy. There's probably a lot
of red flags in the back of their head. What
if they talk about scheme, what if they talk about
in the building stuff, stuff that kind of when you
have a family, you keep them with and the family
you don't want it going out. That's how every professional
collegiate organization works. And Mike Rabel comes on our show
and has an incredible time with us, truly giving us

(04:11):
a stamp of approval, saying it's okay, you guys are
having this by him just coming on. In that conversation,
the infamous question of would you cut your dick off
for a Super Bowl comes up, and he says, been
married for thirty years.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Why not.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Now we know what happened that year in twenty nineteen,
the Boys went to the AFC Championship Game. Before that game,
Mike Rabel said it was a joke, and we lost
against the Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead. Now I'm not
saying Mike Rabel is the reason why we lost the
Super Bowl, but if you do the math, Mike Rabel
is the reason why we lost the Super Bowl by
losing you with the Chiefs, by going back on his
promise of cutting his dick out, So that question, if

(04:46):
you're wondering to Brian Callahan is asked on this very podcast. Boys,
I'm so excited about this one. I'm excited about rekindling
a relationship with the Titans. Ran is now going to
come on the bus as well. That is going to
be on next week. It is very cool to see
the roots new regime kind of coming together and for

(05:08):
all of us to really enjoy because it's a very
special episode to all of us. We do a twisted question,
what else do we do? Mitch? What else do we
kick off? In that thing, we talk about the quarterbacks
that he's had, We've had. He's at Matthew Stafford, he's
at Peyton Manning, He's.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Had Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And there was one more sneaky boy in there that
was like, oh shit, he's really had a lot of quarterbacks.
Was there another one I'm not thinking of?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
You talked about Jake Browning?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Jake Browning, which it's an interesting thing. Joe Burrow goes down,
Jake brown goes in. The Bengals don't just completely fall
off a cliff, and all of a sudden, Callahan gives
himself a head coaching job to Browning, he kind of
feels like that might be shitting on him a little bit.
We go over all that stuff, we talk about all
the new additions the Titans have brought into their organization
with veteran wide receivers. Literally, Will Levis has so many

(05:57):
weapons around him now to be successful. Even looking at
the defense, getting Snead from Kansas City who is an
all Pro guy with a Super Bowl ring on his finger,
that type of leadership.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
There are a lot of.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Things to look forward to in Nashville, Tennessee, this upcoming fall.
The boys are so slept on you look at a
lot of these power rankings. I think Bleacher Report put
these boys around like twenty eight to twenty nine, even thirty.
A couple of I've seen of these smaller pages have
been put in the Tennessee Titans at thirty two. If
I told you, hey, we got a team with Calvin Ridley,

(06:29):
DeAndre Hopkins, Tony Pollard, a top ten pick at left tackle.
We have a top ten pick or a top fifteen
pick at left guard. We have a center that we
paid fifty million dollars to. We have a first round
pick who's gonna find them with his way in the slot, Chig,

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a tight end who's on the up and coming. You
have a lot of studs out there. Tyler Boyd coming
over from the Bengals. If I told you just that
small little snippet, would you say, these boys are gonna
put points on the board. That's just the offense. Not
to mention Jeffrey Simmons, who you know, your boy and him,
we've had our back of force. I could say what
I want about Jeff. However, he's a hell of a

(07:11):
football player. He's an episode stud. You get the Autlan
Trophy winner from the University of Texas Longhorns. He is
now the second round pick. The man Lily is quoted
saying if I don't, if I can just lose weight,
I'll be a Hall of Famer. And knowing Big Jeff
how he likes to verbally abuse people in the building,
and I'm saying that as a compliment. This kid's gonna
find his way into giving effort. Otherwise Jeff's not going
to have it happen. Arden Key, who's got enough personality

(07:34):
that Callahan goes over. He's a stud, came over from Jacksonville.
I already talked about sneed a little bit they're looking
to add another veteran of safety in the mix, but
you also have Hooker. If Hooker stays healthy, the only
downfall of Titans I see this year is injuries. If
they're able to get the monkey off their back of
having you know, one hundred whatever injuries and eighty nine

(07:54):
guys playing and setting records, If they're able to stay
away from that situation and keep these boys healthy and
ready to play a weekend in week out, we've got
a true team that could possibly win the AFC South
this year. Boys and beyond. And I know I'm a Homer,
I know I'm biased. I know we have other people
coming in that are fans of other teams. Going Taylor,
you're a psychopath, You're a lunatic. I'm just telling you, boys,
there was a lot to be excited about in Nashville, Tennessee.

(08:17):
Now we're gonna give him a game or two, right,
we got to feel it out. They're playing the Chicago
Bears week one, and as we get into week three
or four, we need to start seeing Nissan Stadium packed,
sold out, getting loud and proud. I don't want to
see false starts from the offensive line on the opposing team.
That's how you know that your fan base is making
a big impression on the game itself. That is a

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big deal. Time will tell. We will see. But where
I sit right now, in the middle of May, I'm
looking around and I'm seeing a lot to be proud
of by the two tone Blue in Nashville, Tennessee. It's
an exciting time.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Yes, match, the over under for their wins is six
and a half. Before this interview, I may have taken
the under, but after this interview, like, how can you
not take the over on that?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Dude? I know.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
The only question it's crazy to say in my mind
other than the health thing is will Levis. Will Levis
showed how insane he can be, his ability to take
hits step into throes of pressure in his face, put
just dots all over the field. The guy can make
every single throw. Now he's got all the pieces and
it really is ken will Levis elevate from year one

(09:20):
to year two and have full seventeen games if he
can do those things. Like I said, a lot of
exciting shit is going on in Nashville, Tennessee. Me personally,
we can't guarantee right this is a DraftKings podcast. I
suggest you guys go over to Draft Kings right now.
Me personally, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
take that over six and a half wins is not crazy.

(09:40):
The only thing that's gonna kill these boys is injuries.
That to me is a bet. I feel very comfortable
about making a right. I'm done with this episode. I
hope be doing that today.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
If you're a real Titans fan, you take them winning
the division like I did twelve hundred ods. I actually
took it two days prior to Calvinriley getting signed, and
I had a lot of high hopes as I always did.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
What were the odds when you took that bat.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Plus twelve hundred? Really thirteen hundred?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
How much you put on it?

Speaker 7 (10:09):
Five hundred?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
That boy cooking out there?

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Huh? Come on now.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I would love to hear this from you, Jackie, because
if those of you who truly follow Bust One, the
Boys and Artier one to consume all of the insane
amount of contact that we put in a weekend in
a week out, which we appreciate you doing, and play
subscribe right five stars. If you have an opportunity to
tell be a friend telephone, get those things out there.
When Mike Rabel was fired, Jack McPherson was on Suweye Watch.
He was like, we've now just gone back ten years,

(10:35):
were dead like a true fan would. Right, you're not
just staying even keeled. You're riding that roller coaster. You're
ticking all the way up. And that was a dramatic
fall for our boy. Now fast forward four months, you're
sitting in a whole different position, aren't you, Jackie.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Oh hell yeah, I'm on the Cali train.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Now on the Cali train.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Coach.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
He seems like a great guy. He seems like even
better coach.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
It's fun, you know, there's a fun city to be
a coach and be a part of a system like this.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
We've got great fans, good people.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
The only downfall is in Nashville's like the perfect three
day week in town. So any big market team we play,
you know, the boys load up the truck Chevy Silverado,
they drive to nash over three days, they party all weekend,
and our fair weather fans will sell them tickets. So
we need to call to action for real fans to

(11:24):
not be selling their tickets and go to games even
if we're two and fourteen, and it's raining fucking show
up because it's all we.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Have two and fourteen. Is that a callback to twenty fourteen?

Speaker 7 (11:35):
Maybe? But I was there too.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's a sad time for us, man.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah, but it's about to be a beautiful season. And
I believe in Cali and I believe in Ran.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
As well, so and we'll love this. I believe in
all of the two tone blue.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
I'm wearing it all today and not even by that's
just an accident, because we live.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
And die by that closet.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
It's literally it's just Titans gear. And I mean Mitch
is wearing my shirt right now. It's Titans gear and
weird T shirts.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
That is a cool That is a cool T shirt.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I do really enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
You're not gonna You're not gonna keep it.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
I forgot it.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
Yeah, I told you I have a lot of cool
T shirts.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I don't know, but those of you who don't know
jackularly Pierson, I will tell you a little piece of him.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Jack is everywhere we go Jack.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
We're mistaken for family, for brothers in one sense or another.
Every place I go with Jack, if we're in a
Bucky's or we're in Vegas, or we're in Alabama and
there's a apparel store with wacky T shirts. Jackularly fierceon
is gonna find his way in there and sneak away
with one or two shirts.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
You have weigh too many clothes. I honestly might do
a little uh, a little garage.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Shale, a little spring cleaning.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
Yeah, I need to just donate them, but I don't know.
I just have way too many T shirts.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
I have a like entire room because Garrett used to
live with me in my house and then he moved out.
It was an empty room in her house and the
room is literally just full of T shirts.

Speaker 7 (12:56):
And I mean, I don't need them, so.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
You could donate, But why help the community when he
can just make a couple of bucks?

Speaker 6 (13:01):
Right, breaking news, The boy Robert Tunyan has just signed
with the Vikings.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
And you're hearing this on Tuesday. This actually happened five
days ago. So five days ago, so breaking.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
But man, and listen, the reason why we're shooting this
shout out Rob Tonyan. He's a boy, he's been a
part of the podcast. He obviously does tighten you. He's
well integrated in the Nashville community. You know, and now
he's just signed with the Vikings, which is incredible. The
reason why this episode is being shot five days prior
is because your boys an idiot. Me not will Your

(13:36):
boy Taylor is an absolute idiot. We got a call
from Two Bears, which is a great podcast hosted by
Thomson Ger and Burt Kreischer. They wanted us to fly
to Austin and shoot a podcast with them, which is awesome.
Anytime you can collaborate with another podcast, especially as big
as them, it's an absolute honor. I hit my wife up,
say hey, Monday, what date is that? The twenty first?

(14:01):
We'll just say it's the twenty first, Monday, the twenty first.
Blah blah blah, can we am? I free to fly
to Austin, Texas, and then after that, I'm gonna fly
to Charlotte to do a podcast with somebody else, which
I'm not going to say now because I don't know
if we want to give out that information. But then
fly back to Nashville, Tennessee on Tuesday. She has he
had no problem, Well, your boys in the sauna, and
I get an email from my daughter's school and Bro,

(14:25):
this might be a dad hat moment. They're having kindergarten
graduation on a Monday, which I don't know about those
of you, the boomers out there, the millennials that are
my age thirty two, thirty three, thirty four years old,
I don't remember at my school, ASTech Elementary in Arizona,
I don't remember us having a kindergarten graduation. That's crazy
to me. What's even more crazy because I did talk

(14:46):
to the boys, but they're like, hey, that's actually a
pretty normal thing. What's nuts to me is we have
kindergarten graduation on Monday, and then hey, we'll see at
school still Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, they still have a
full week of school before they go to summer break.
That's that's insane to me because I know the last
day of school was Friday. However, your boys and an
idiot I committed to go to Two Bears. Now I
can't go to Two Bears. Will Compton is still going

(15:10):
to do Two Bears, which bums me out from a
personal standpoint, because those boys are a great time. It's
obviously massive for the brand, and it's also massive for
personally just getting with those boys. You guys seeing different
audience seeing our personalities. That's just how this shit cooks, right,
we want to if we're cooking up a nice little meal,
that's a great ingredient to dust in there. I'm excited
for Will. I'm super bummed out for me.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Will is actually in the other building right now. He's
got a raspy voice. Anytime you raise it an octave
above an eight, he has a problem with the voice.
He gets raspy, he gets rasping in the old throat.
We have a podcast later today which is going to
come out in two weeks that I need my boy
to save his voice for. So here I am diving
on the sword talking to you beautiful people, saying, hey,
I fucked up. Will gets the benefit and I feel

(15:55):
bad for myself. If you feel bad for me, let
me know in the comments. If you don't feel bad
for me, also let me know in the comments your boys.
But I can take those kinds of hits, now, Callahan,
Do we have any segments that we need to hit
before I let these amazing people who are obviously subscribing, unsubscribing,
and resubscribing to the Callahan podcast.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
No, I think we're good. We already twisted with him.
So I am thankfully off the hook this week, but
next week this is my twisted question. I'll be back
and please send me your twisted questions. I'll shout you
out on the pod.

Speaker 7 (16:25):
I need help, like dick questions I think we need
like we don't.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
It doesn't have to be about like would you rather
have a dick for a face, or like you.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Know, ever since the Tom Brady Roast, white guys have
really gotten found.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Out, we need like The best twisted question we had
was would you rather have hit all red lights? Or
have or hit all green lights? Or have the closest
parking spot? Questions like that, like real world, those are
the tough ones, those are the really good ones.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And we're still green lights, right, are you guys green lights?
Are you guys parking spots?

Speaker 7 (16:55):
I don't evenink that's the best question.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
If you choose parking spot, you're literally dumb in the head.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
That's all I need to hear. If he doesn't fully
agree with you, Mitch is admitting he's dumb.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
I mean there's no parking lot on planet Earth that
is big enough to use the park close enough where
you are missing every red light.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
I mean you're skipping.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Like today alone, the freewa was backed up by ease.
I could have got to work like seven minutes faster.
I would park across the street. Still not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Not a big deal.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
And it's not like if you don't, if you get all.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Green lights you have the worst parking spot ever, you're
still gonna have the luck here and there getting that
front parking spot.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I feel like I have nuns, like parking isn't that
big of an issue, Like I feel like parking used
to be an issue back in the day.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Don't overthink the best answer, because that is the best answer.
Now let's get into the episode. Do I need to
read this ad before I do it? We've already read
this one, right, Ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy the head
coach of the Tennessee Titans, Brian Callahan, thank you so
much for joining us. If you are here for the
first time and seeing his face, my name is Taylor
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(18:03):
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Speaker 1 (18:15):
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Speaker 8 (18:21):
I am not anymore? I was at one point. I'm
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Speaker 1 (18:23):
Well, if you want to try, Lucy, breakers are pretty good.

Speaker 8 (18:26):
Are you in the zens?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Let that out, Mitch, you.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Can keep that in with me. I'll tell you about
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Speaker 8 (18:46):
That's yeah, you guys seem like you're trying to help
the little guys out.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Always humble beginnings.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Before we uh, before we jumped on here, we were
on the other side talking about coach Bill Callahan's individual yes,
and Taylor was asking, uh, coach Brian, did they call
you coach Brian or did they call you coach Callahan?

Speaker 8 (19:06):
You want to know most of them call most of
them call me Cali.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Cali. Yeah, okay, I've got a little extra English on it.

Speaker 8 (19:11):
I like that. That is nice. It's it's it's what
most people have called me most of my coaching career. Yeah,
and but yeah, coach works, Cali works. Weird. People don't
call me Brian very often. That's a weird one for me.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay, mister Calli it is.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Then. Yeah, they was talking to Cali about the individual
of coach Brian Callahan, and I was like, oh yeah.
Sometimes in our individual linebacker drills and Washington, I'd be like,
all right, water break and then we'd be like, let's
go watch the Let's go watch the hogs is Indy
and we just stand across the field and watch them.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
They just be dying the whole time.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It's so funny. Brod's coach Callen's a grinder he gets
out of you.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Coach Bill Callahan, Yeah, Coach Bill Callahan, Yeah, absolutely, what
was go ahead?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I was just going to say, whatever timeframes that you
get with any constraints, you're juicing as much, all the
seconds you're getting it out of the boys.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Has he been like that always? As long as you
can always.

Speaker 8 (20:01):
Yeah, always, He's always been full till all the time.
And that's how you get I mean, that's how guys
get better. I mean you like we were watching yesterday,
I think they might have done forty or fifty different
pass sets, and they film every one of them and
he cuts every one of them up to each guy.
So you could watch all your reps for the whole
day and see how you progress during a day and

(20:22):
got better. But yeah, it's every usable second he uses.
It doesn't ever stop.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
What's his philosophy on PAS sets, because a lot of
coaches come in they're like, we do it one way
and one way only. Is he let the guys the
boys do what they want.

Speaker 8 (20:34):
They well, he coaches the technique that he's looking for.
But there's a lot of variants in the set, the
set angles, if you're jump setting versus a he calls
a congo set versus an angle set. There's there's all
kinds of variation that they use all the time, and
there is some like he That's one of the things
that I think he does great is he's able to
have a conversation with a guy maybe that's played ten

(20:55):
years and say, well, have you done it and find
ways to work with them on what fits as long
as they're still getting the job done. Yeah, he's open
to listening in the guy's talk, but he's a very
particular way about how he coaches it.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
That's that's so awesome how the old dogs are willing
to still learn and do all that. Because you get
some of those old old school cats, they'll come in
and be like, you do it this way and this way.
Only one guy. Have you ever met Russ Grim?

Speaker 8 (21:19):
I have not met him. I know him at it,
I can't say that.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
No.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I was with Russ for two years. The greatest offensive
line coach I've ever had in my entire life. Yeah,
and he comes in the first meeting and he's like,
talk to me about stutter. I don't know if you
guys have stuttered open open side pull scheme. And I'm like, okay,
if it's a three technique, reduce to the mic and
if not, then you're this. He's like, wha deuce or
through the mic? That's it. I was like, all right,
what step. He's like, just get to the mic or

(21:43):
do the deuce, and he just like instead of having
to over explain every small detail. He was like, just
know what your job is and go get that done
the best way you can possibly do it, and I'll
help you along the way. And he was huge for
my career. Yeah, keep it simple, stupid, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
Something to do that, yeah, or something to do that.
It's I think the cool thing that fort like old coaches,
and my dad's not that old, I guess, but he's
kind of old enough. He's older, old gentleman. And what's
been super impressive about him is his ability to go
from like being that old, like the old old school
style of coaching, and he's really adapted how he approaches

(22:17):
today's players. I mean it's different now even then when
when you guys played coming in. I mean you think
about ten years ago, how much different the generation is,
and his ability to relate to those guys and still
connect with them and coaches him hard as hell, but
they all know that he cares about him.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
No one knowing that you've seen him kind of adapt
and develop with those times. Is there anything that you've
asked him on, like, you know, noticing that difference in him,
understanding that he has changed.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
Yeah, I think there's a there's a you know, I
think one of the things that jumped out was, you know,
they drafted Dewan James last year in Cleveland, and it
was just he's just very different than the guys that
he's been on and in a long time ago, he
might have coached Dewan a very different way and ultimately
it might not have worked very well. And just to
see him adapt and know that maybe the way that

(23:06):
I'm approaching this, de Wan's not going to respond to
me yelling and screaming and get in his face. I
got to be it's positive and encouraging and trying to
point out that these are the things that can help
you and if you want to make a lot of money,
here's how you do it right. And he appeals. He
knows how to appeal to guys a lot of different ways.
He knows the motivations I think. I mean, he's a
master coach. He's he's got every every way to relate

(23:29):
that you can relate in the book. And I asked
him all the time, well what made you do that?
Why did you do that in this case and not
that case? And it's because he knows the player and
he knows how to make it work.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
When you get this job at the Tennessee Titans and
you call your old man say I want you to
be the old line coach from my ball club.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
How did that?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
How did that all go down?

Speaker 8 (23:48):
It was It was cool. The backstory is I had
interviewed for two jobs the year before that had gone
oh well, A ways down the road. I felt like
I was in the mix, and I'd have conversation with
him and I said, you know, do you want to
to do this. I've never worked for my dad, never
he I never worked for him at any point. There
have been some chances where I might have, we might

(24:09):
have connected on staff together. I just never worked out.
So I've never spent any time with him in the
coaching profession. And so I asked him this question a
year ago and he was like, no, I don't think
I want to do that. Really yeah, well, I mean
if you think about yeah, but you think about you know,
there's a lot that goes into a father and sign
of working together, and this would be this is the

(24:30):
first time that I think a son has ever hired
their father in a in a substantial role like that.
You know, It's like Kyle Shanahan, Mike's always been around,
but he never hired him in an official could like.
It wasn't like Mike Shanahan was Kyle's coordinator.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Right, if that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
It's kind of a really unique setup. And so you know,
we had to work through all those things, like my
dad's like, I'm not for everybody. I'm what if you
don't what if you don't like the way I coad
you know what I mean? And you have to have
those conversations, and so we did, and ultimately he was like,
I just think I really like Cleveland, like Kevin Stefanski,
and I'm happy here. I like the guys in the room.
I don't really want to leave, I understand. And so

(25:07):
I kind of just assumed that was going to be
the case as this process went along, and so as
I interviewed, I was everybody asked like, well, you know,
is your dad coming with you? I'm like, no, he's not.
I mean, we had we had the conversation. Is probably
not gonna happen, and I didn't think it would. And
all of a sudden, I get the job and I
call him and tell him I got it, and he
calls the next day and he's like, let me think

(25:29):
about some things and I'll call you back.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Hold on.

Speaker 8 (25:32):
I was like, OK, no, I mean that that initial
conversation was like absolutely thrilled we didn't have it in
that moment.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, yeah, you guys have a conversation, Hey,
I got the job, proud of your son. Tears in
both of your guys' eyes. The next day he calls
you and without any context, goes, let me think about
coming to help you out.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
Yeah. I love that, And I think it just became one.
It became much more real for him in that moment.
And and I think had it been the year prior,
I think the answer still would have been no. And
but having it happen in real time and him going, man,
this is what a unique opportunity to go try to
help my son succeed. And I think I'd want to
be a part of that, and so as you. I'll

(26:11):
go have my press conference. And we were kind of
talking back and forth, and after the press conference, he
was like, this is I want to make I want
to do this, we need.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
To do this.

Speaker 8 (26:19):
It'll be it'll be really pretty fun. And it's been
maybe the coolest experience of my coaching career is to
be able to go to work with my dad every day.
It's been pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Dude. You had a unincredible like press or when you
were talking about with your dad, like there was a
lot of perspective, a lot of just like you can
tell when you say that, like you genuinely mean it.

Speaker 8 (26:37):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Was there a reason that you guy that you guys
were never on the same staff. Is there something about
saying maybe yourself to where it's like, Hey, I don't
want to be known this way and don't want to
feel like I get any handouts from somebody who's already
been there, done that.

Speaker 8 (26:48):
Yeah, Oh, that's true. One of the things I had finished.
My dad was at at Nebraska at the time. I
was just finishing my playing career, and he goes, he said,
you look, you can come to Nebraska and you could
be a here for me if you want to do that.
I have a spot you can come do that. He goes,
But what I would recommend to you is you've been
at UCLA for for four years. You know the people there,

(27:09):
you know the place. They have also said we'd love
to have you in this role if you want to
come when you graduate and do be a g G
A here at UCLA and my dad was like, I
really think you should stay at UCLA, And in that moment,
I was like, like, damn Dad. Like but the best
advices he had ever given me was he goes, starting
to make your own way. He goes, it's already you're
already going to get all these you know, all the

(27:33):
the nepotism and all stuff. It goes around coaching where
it's like, he goes, but you've I didn't give you your
first job, and he goes, that will matter at some
point for you, and I want you to make your
own way and make your own connections and meet your
own people that can help you, as opposed to me
being the one to do it. And I think that
was the best advice you could have given me, and
it probably was the best thing that happened to me.
He was not going to work for my dad and

(27:54):
staying where I was.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
At any point, were you guys close to working together
in the past.

Speaker 8 (27:59):
No, nothing that came up. You know, when we first
got to Cincinnati there there was some there was a
chance that maybe it could have worked out. But it's
Zach's first job and he's he wants to hire the
people that that he wanted to hire, and it never
got It was never more than like a curiosity, like, oh,
I wonder if that would work, and it just he
was still in Washington at the time, and it was

(28:22):
all he was again, happy where he's at. He's got
a good line there. It was no big deal. So
it never never went any further than curiosity. But it no,
we've never been really close at any point to working together,
which is kind of crazy to think.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, talk about how you cut your teeth into the
business and being a GA at U c l A
and moving on from that role.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
Yeah, typical GA stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Man.

Speaker 8 (28:45):
I made coffee and got people food and worked long hours,
and you know, we had a really good staff there
at UCLA, which it's someday someone will write a story
about it. But Eric Banniman was the running backs coach.
John Embry was our tight ends coach. Dino Babers was
the receivers coach. Tom Cable was the offensive coordinator. Jim

(29:09):
Soboda was a quarterbacks coach. We had all these guys
that all went on to be head coaches, you know,
within a certain period of time, and really dynamic staff
all these and so I got to learn from all
these guys as a really young coach, which probably a
huge reason of why that experience was so good for me.
But man, it was a it's a grind ga life
is is uh is not for everybody. Back then that

(29:30):
was you only had two gas that could be on
the field, and so it was like it was two
or three guys that did everything. Now you have all
these analysts and there's all this different stuff that they
didn't have back then. By rule, you couldn't have anybody
else anybody on But it depends on where you went
now U C l A. I can guarantee you that.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Because really followers the Bruins.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
Huh Yeah, it was me. In fact, the gas there
were me, Clark Lee, head coach at Vanderbilt, Ryan Ficken
who's been in the NFL for quite some time as
a special teams coordinator, and Phil Rauscher, who's the line
coach at the Jags. And so it was a bunch
of guys, like we were all young coaches and we've
all had these pretty good careers, but that was all

(30:11):
we had and we had to do every We did
everything really, I mean operation stuff, grinding all the tape,
breaking it all down, breaking all the tape down before
all the pff dat I got supplied to everybody. I mean,
you had to break down the down and distance. You
didn't know what personnel in the fields. You couldn't see
jersey numbers because the tape wasn't an HD. It's just
a whole different way of doing things than it is now.
But it was. It was a lot of work. It

(30:31):
was hard.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
So they didn't look over at the SEC and go,
you know, they got a lot of guys over there,
maybe we should do a couple of things too.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No like that.

Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah, we were, They just didn't have the you know,
it is a public means, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, but U is a nice area. It's Pasadena for sure.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
But as far as like calling the shots, the big
wigs like a fair enough football over everything will find
a way.

Speaker 8 (30:54):
Yeah, very very academically drove. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very academically.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
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Brian Callahan, big hugs, tiny kisses. You brought up a PFF.
What's your what's your stance on PFF's rating system.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
I think there's value in a baseline, like there is
some things that you can you can you can look
at it, and there's a number that they assigned to, uh,
particularly to some positions that are really hard for like
the average person to have any idea what is good
and bad. But as far as like is it the
end all be all and the grading system not at all.
I mean it's you got to watch the game, you

(32:49):
need to understand assignments. And they've gotten better. I will say,
like the grading system has gotten better over the years.
They've refined it. I use it more for some of
the just the amount of data that they have. I
can go, let me see every screen from every team
for the last four years and I can pull them
all up and watch them all. Yeah, and that's where
the value and that is for me. The grades, I
don't really you know, I don't really put a whole

(33:11):
lot of stock in the grades.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It feels like they'll probably use the grades like have
that there, and then obviously every team does their own,
and then I'm sure that they.

Speaker 8 (33:17):
There's a bench a little bit. Yeah, yeah, there's a benchmark.
I mean it does give you it is it is
a halfway accurate depiction of what a what a good
and bad might look like.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
You know what I mean, Yeah, if it's cut and dry,
But the gray areas I feel like is we're PF
because they're not there with the language of the play
call and what the exact technick is supposed to do.
I don't hate PFF at all, but there was a
like there's a time where players, players in the locker
room and the Titans were like kind of worried that
if their PFF grade was bad that teams and coaches
were looking at that. Do coaches look at the PFF

(33:48):
grade ever, and go, no, no, no, maybe we should
maybe we're doing something wrong.

Speaker 8 (33:52):
No, I don't think I've never looked at it like that. Yeah,
I've not been around anybody that ever has used that
as like, that's our grade for a player. You're still
great a player. Watch the tape and understand what's being asked.
Systematically as well, other than just hey, this guy graded
at a eighty two point six, Like, I don't know
what that means. Number that's good if you got yeah,

(34:15):
it's a solid numb you wouldn't be so mad about it.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
There will be the time where you feel strongly about PFF,
but then you grade out well, so then it's like,
all right, where are you going to stand? You know
what I mean? Like say you hate PFF, but the
ninety five it's like, well, I mean I did.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
Have a situation they might be honest something.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, Yeah, I had a situation in twenty sixteen where
they were grading me well and then Paul Kaharskan the
group of the Titans news guys, were like, how do
you feel about that? And I took a stance then
and there they don't they don't run the show. Yeah,
they don't run the show big quickly my grades went down,
so I don't know. Yeah, that's where they might have
kind of start. Yeah, it might be a little bit
of takeing over the PFF.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah. With you're throughout your coaching journey, you've been at
some cool spots which spot or stop that you've been
at has you feel has been the most pivotal for
where you are now.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
God, They've all, all, for different reasons, have been really
really influential. The two that the two of the most
are my time in Denver with Peyton Manning for four
of those six years I was there, and then the
journey in Cincinnati from where we started to where we
ended up. Those two spots are probably the most because
they're the longest days I had. They were the most influential. Obviously,

(35:24):
being around Peyton Manning for any amount of time is
a is a blessing in and of itself. But yeah,
he's that was like a PhD in quarterback.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
We grow him here at the bus. The fly keeps
flying around.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
Look you, I mean, Cicada's in here yet, I know
we're They're.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Everywhere out here. Dude, watching Peyton in that last year
where he necessarily couldn't throw it beyond five ten yards,
what was it like sitting back? Yeah, I mean, I'm
sure he'd say it. Well, watching him operate from being
more limited than.

Speaker 8 (35:53):
He ever has, Yeah, it was really It was a
It was a wild year because we had just transition
from in Gary Kubiak was the head coach, and then
they brought that whole system which was vastly different from
the one that he had run for the better part
of eighteen years at that point, and so there was
a big back and forth there. He had gotten injured

(36:13):
that year and missed a bunch of time and then
came back for the playoffs. At the very end, brock
Ostwall I think had thrown a couple interceptions and they
replaced him at halftime right at the very end of
the season in like a must win game against the Chargers,
and then he ended up playing the playoffs. It was
just it was a roller coaster season. It was a
lot of ups and downs. But what the cool part
was you saw what made him so great was his

(36:34):
ability to process and know what to do and when
to do it in the moment. Like it was unbelievable.
And even with a diminishing physical skill set, he wasn't
what he was when he was in his twenties. I mean,
it was unbelievable what he pulled off with his brain
and just being able to know what to do with
the football.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, what's he like watching at practice? Like I've had
teammates who have played with him, they're like, you know,
if a tight end drops of ball, he'll take he'll
take the he'll remove the tight end, even if even
if you're back there like oh no, get back out there,
the Sheriff's like, no, no, give me somebody else who's
gonna catch the ball and be dependable in these moments.
Like what was he like? That's accurate.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
That's what it was. It was. It was a standard.
And it's actually funny we're having a conversation today about
guys that are like that, get to that point in
their careers that have the pelts on the wall and
the experience, but on top of that, the pressure, you know,
the expectation is that they're gonna win every game. Aaron Rodgers,
Tom Brady, Drew Brees. Those guys get to a certain

(37:31):
point in their career where they don't allow anything other
than what the highest standard is possible, and if you
don't meet it, you're not gonna be playing with them.
And that's how he operated, and and I appreciated that
because he's got all the pressure he's got. I gotta
I gotta do my part. And if I'm if I'm
gonna do all this, then I'm gonna make sure that

(37:52):
everybody around me is is at the same level that
I am. And I thought that was a really cool
thing to witness and in person. But that's how it
would be if you if you didn't if you missed
an assignment. He was particularly ruthless on like running backs
and protection and he had to be able to trust
him to do because he didn't you know, I don't
want to get hit, right, And if they missed an assignment,
it was like give me the next one, or like
if he's if he's coming into the game, I'll come out,

(38:15):
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Like that.

Speaker 8 (38:16):
It was that intensity and the expectation.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
He's coming into the game, Coach Kelly, you don't put
him in the game, I'll be out.

Speaker 8 (38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
If I see him coming on the field, you'll see
me walking off.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (38:26):
So that part was just it's just a demand of
the standard of what you expect every day and it
was awesome And then again everybody rose to meet it.
You know, we had young players and Eric Decker and
Demarus Thomas and c. J. Anderson, I mean, meet some
guys that were unproven at the time that he helped
make what they became. And it was a really cool process.

(38:47):
To be a part of man. He's unlike anybody I've
ever been around.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
What's it like with the coaches during practice when he's
sending a guy away and the coach is like, no,
you're in, And there's like this kind of this battle
of egos between the sheriff and the coaches. Get uncomfortable
at all? Is there like in the meeting room like this.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Can we be honest about it? It's if he doesn't
want him in, he's not going to be whether coaches aren't.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Saying a word like yeah, yeah, you probably right eighteen.

Speaker 8 (39:12):
I mean that's just what That's just what it was,
and that's why and you and you, and it wasn't
like that all the time, but like there was, there
was a standard, and if you didn't meet it, the
expectation was that you wouldn't be you wouldn't be there
playing with them. But that's also what drove guys to
be even better than they thought they could be, was
because they wanted to be a part of it, and
they wanted to be in that mode. They wanted to

(39:34):
be accounted on. And it's amazing what happens when you
got a guy making sure that you better do it.
Right or you can't be. It drives you to be
great truth you.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So you have Peyton Manning and then you go to
Cincinnati and you get blessed with Joe Cool Joe Burrow.

Speaker 8 (39:48):
Yeah what is Joe? The staff and the two years,
the two years in Detroit were phenomenal. It was I God,
Matthews talk about underrated man like, I think he's one
of the best quarterbacks in football and has been for
a long time, and I think he finally gets his due,
but there was a while there where he didn't. And

(40:08):
he might be one of the toughest players I've ever
been around, and one of the most crazy talented quarterbacks
that I've seen play. I mean, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
That clip of them in like a two minute drive
to win the game and he like gets his shoulder
out or something like that and he's on the sideline that.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Was in his career.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, Yes, that was like just one of the cooler
things you see a quarterback do because he's like hurt
and he's like, I'll do it, and he throws a touchdown.
The games over they win, He's.

Speaker 8 (40:32):
Like, shoulders broke, he broke his color bone. No ship, Yeah,
I think that's what it was, if I remember correctly.
But yeah, he's you want to talk about. I mean
that you guys know, the things that guys play through
that people don't know about is it would be shocking.
I think if people knew what the guy's dealt with
during a football season and the things that he played

(40:52):
through and the toughness that he had, it was it
might be the toughest guy I've ever seen. I mean, truthfully,
Oh yeah he is. He is hard, hard, knows, tough
as all get out, and he's an awesome guy to
be around. I don't know how much time you guys
have spent with him, but I.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Never I don't think I met him either.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
You just hear, you hear, just like that time.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Why do you think he was still under raid for
so long? Just because the franchise layoffs?

Speaker 8 (41:17):
Yea, they didn't win enough, you know, And that's again,
that's a the wins tend to become a quarterback stat
which they probably shouldn't be. But there he was on
teams that were probably on the on the brink and
could never quite get over that hump. And and then
obviously he goes to l A and he's been lightning
on fires and every time. I mean, he's been unbelievable. There,
wins the super Bowl, all the like. It's he's finally

(41:39):
I think, getting his due as a player. But yeah,
he was that player before.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
He got to l A.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
He just didn't probably get the recognition for it.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
And then you get Joe B. Yeah. Yeah, You've been
around some cats.

Speaker 8 (41:50):
I've been very lucky, I've been very bad.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Stafford, Joe Burrow. What are the similarities that all three
of those guys have? And then you've talked about a
little bit on the way that staff was Peyton was,
and then also some differences with Joe B.

Speaker 8 (42:05):
Yeah, I think it was. It was very different because
Peyton was obviously going and I think when he came
to Denver that was like year fifteen when I went,
when I was with Matthew, I think Matthew was going
into like seven eight A, seven eight nine ten somewhere.
He was, he had been playing for a couple of years.
And then having Joe was different because Joe was a
rookie obviously a highly highly regarded and his reputation preceded

(42:27):
him when he got drafted, but he was still a
rookie and so that was a really fun process to
try to help that development from being a rookie and
as you guys know, rookies are rookies even no matter
how good they are, still takes some time. But to
see him become everything that we thought he could become
and he knew he could become was pretty awesome. And

(42:47):
that's because he shares a lot of the same traits
that that Peyton and Matthew have in terms of, you know,
there's just an edge to the there's just something about
those guys and you know it when you see it,
where they just don't accept any thing other than the best,
and there is no such thing as failure like they
do not they won't fail, they can't fail, and there's

(43:08):
there's a willpower in that. I think that's kind of
the baseline of who they are. And then there's a
drive to be the best there is, yeah, and there's
just and then he has the ability to deliver on it,
which is pretty cool. Very different personality than Peyton and Matthew.
They're all very unique, but they share that commonality where

(43:28):
they're they're at their core, they are they are assassins,
ladies and gentlemen.

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get back to this episode. When did you win Joe?
When Joe walks into the Bengals franchise and you say

(44:57):
it takes rookies, doesn't matter how good they are. Takeing
some little bit of time, when did you know, Okay,
we got the franchise.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
Quarterback, probably about halfway through that first year where you're
still kind of figuring some things out. Obviously it's a
COVID year, so it's even more challenging. So he has
no offseason. We don't have any OTA's, there's all virtual.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
God, imagine picking up a playbook.

Speaker 8 (45:18):
And and then there's no fans in the stadium. So
his first game, we play the Chargers, and this is
the game where uh Tyrod got injected and they punched
Lung and so then it was Herbert and him playing
and Joe goes down at the very end of the game.

(45:38):
It would been like the legend of Joe Burrow would
have only grown end of the game, goes down and
throws a fade stop to aj Green in the corner
of the end zone and they calls for OPI. So
the game winning touchdown gets called back. So we go
kick a field goal to tie it, and our kicker
cramped and missed the game winning field goal. There's no
there's nobody in the stands cramps and we miss, and

(46:01):
so here's this like, here's this like busting out of
the scene. Here comes Joe Burrow come back win last
minute when in his first start, and it just it
isn't And it was like, that's that's that's unfortunate. You
saw a glimpse of that and that in that drive like, oh,
this guy is gonna be pretty good, I think. And
then each game he successively got better. And I think
the one game you probably played in potentially, I think

(46:25):
Tennessee came to Cincinnati and we had lost, and then
we had five new starters up front, and then we
had signed Quinton Spain on Friday and he started at
left guard on Sunday, Yes, and so we had we
had a guy that hadn't practiced with us, and we
had five new starters. And that was the game where
Joe sort of took it on and took it on

(46:45):
his back and we ended up winning the game. We
played pretty well, and it was that game when it
was like he's arrived, this is the game, He's he
is what we thought he was going to be. And
then he goes and plays good for another I think
maybe one more week, two more weeks, and he gets
hurt in Washington and tears me up. God so the season,
but he was we were hitting this rise, we were
we were going to win. I think we would have
won a handful of games on a stretch, and I

(47:06):
think people would have looked like, oh, here he comes.
But he gets hurt and it's out. Nobody knows how
good he's really going to be. And he ultimately sacrificed
his knee for Jamar Chase because that allowed us. We
were not very good after that, and we picked Jamar
the next year, the fifth overall.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
But a lot of stuff came up in that draft
where when when he gets hurt, everyone's like they need protection.
You just said all the offensive lineman route. You sign
a guy off the streets, he comes and starts for
you that week, and you guys go pick Jamar Chase.
Where was the thought process in that building when you're
evaluating because you're you're thinking franchise quarterback. We know this
is the guy, we got to get him. Offensive lineman?

Speaker 8 (47:41):
What was it was the pin Sul it was and
Jamal That was like the big debate. It's like, how
do the how can the Bengals not draft the left tackle?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Looking back on it, you can't go wrong like both
those yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:52):
Both of me, Like these guys are going to both
be all Pro players, right and whoever you pick was
going to be right. But you we went back and
forth and there was playing a debate, plenty of opinion
on it, and ultimately I had went back some of
my time in Denver when we had Damarius Thomas, Eric
Decker and then Emmanuel Sanders and then in the slot

(48:13):
we had Wes Welker and we were we were and.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I was so nasty underrated, Yeah, very very good player.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
And we we had a game against New England when
we were in Denver down the stretch and it was
two bad was back to back plays or maybe two
out of three plays. End of the game. We had
to go win the game, and we hit two go
balls down one each one each side. I think one
was Marius, one was to em Manual, and it was like, man,
when you got to win versus press coverage, it doesn't

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matter who you have up front. If you can't have
a guy that can go win that matchup, you're gonna
have a hard time throwing the ball to win in
the NFL, and that always just stuck with me, and
I always thought that was a good way to build
an offense. Is that make sure you have guys that
can win. And you know, we're getting this debate back
and forth about the tackle and the receiver, and I
was like, well, I said, if he can win fast enough,
it's not gonna matter how long we blot. If he

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can win quick, we can get the ball out quick.
And one of the things that Joe does so well
is play on time in process and so the ball
gets distributed. And it's like, well, we can negate some
of the offensive line issues if we got elite playmakers outside.
And that was my stance, and then it's a couple
of other people had some didn't have that. So it
went back and forth, but ultimately we landed on that

(49:24):
Jamar would be the the gay that scores touchdowns. Would
be one that would be more helpful for our offense,
and thank god we did.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So you were the guy that brought Jamara Cincinnati.

Speaker 8 (49:33):
I'm not going to claim. I'm not going to claim.
I'm just telling you my perspective on the argument was that,
and I voiced that. I mean, that was my progative
the voice it as a coordinator, and I think Zach
felt the same way as Zach Taylor. I think he
landed on that same argument. So the two of us
sort of were in agreement, but ultimately it was that's

(49:53):
a Zach Taylor, Duke Tobin and Mike Brown decision that
gets made. But that's that was the argument back and forth.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Then the most fiery, drama filled moment in a war
room that you've seen.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Hold on, Could I just did you guys talk to
Joe Burrow at all about Hey, should we go tackle?
Why receive it? Being a rookie, but knowing he's.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Joe's involved, we kept Joe in the loop on all
the personnel decisions and the thought process and we actually
talked to him a lot because knew Jamar and so Jamardin'
if you if you remember Jamar didn't play that year
because it was COVID year and he sat out and
so there wasn't any recent film on him other than
the year that he was tearing up the sec with
Joe killing and so Joe was like, Joe didn't Joe
was like, I'll take Jamar every every day and twice

(50:36):
on Sunday like this, It's not even a debate for him.
He because he knew what he was, uh, he knew
how impactful he could be. And so Joe was all
in favor of Jamar in that situation. And I'm glad
he was.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
So I forgot you off get that same question. Yeah,
most fiery or drama filled, tense moment in a in
a war room that you've that you've been a part
of or witnessed.

Speaker 8 (50:59):
You know what. Not all there hasn't been as many.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Were somebody you look back, you're like, man, maybe they
should we should have took that guy.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
There's always that. I mean, I would say the debates
between the players that were available to us and at
pick five that year was pretty intense. I mean there
was some guys that felt like Kyle Pitts was a
really fantastic prospect coming out and he was the Pinna Suol,
those the other guys that were involved with Obviously Devanta
Smith and Jalen Watta were both in that conversation, So

(51:27):
those were pretty Those were pretty intense conversations because guys
are pretty convicted on what they thought those players could be.
And so I remember a good couple back and forth
on some of those debates on this player over this player,
and ultimately when you look back, like, well, we weren't
gonna be wrong either way. All those guys ended up
being great players, so we know nobody was wrong in

(51:48):
that regard. But when you're debating on who to pick,
and do you take Penna Suol or do you do
you take Pina Suol and try to take Devanta Smith,
and you know, what's the what? What player are you
looking at? And you obviously account for some of those
quarterbacks going and you look at the world of player
you're in and you got a debate like hell, and
those usually means that you made the best decision too,
because you've you've flushed out all the all the good

(52:11):
and bads and pros and cons of all the players.
And but those were pretty intent. Those debates are pretty intense.
Those are the ones that I remember the most because
you're picking at five, that's a that should be a
Hall of Fame style player and you can't get it wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, with with that clock ticking down at five, how
long did that discussion go before someone's like, hey, we
got to call this thing in or was it pretty
decided when you knew.

Speaker 8 (52:35):
You once you knew what were the players, Because we
weren't sure who was going to Gore is going to
go to Atlanta, you didn't know. You didn't know if
Miami was going to try to trade up. There was
a whole lot of stuff going on that until you're
on the clock, you don't know. But the decision had
been made prior to the draft, even starting that if
this this is the order we're going to go in.
If this is if Jamar is there, we're taking them.

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If Jamar's not there, we're taking pay. If those two
are both gone, we're taking this guy. So that stuff
all gets settled out prior to the draft, even starting.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
When you when you hearing you talk about the Bengals
and how you guys established your offense gets me fired
up for the Titans because you're seeing how you view
the field, how you feel you need guys to win
and press one on one coverage, and you're getting all
these athletes in there. All you have so many, so
much talent on the offensive side of the ball. Now, like,
what what's the expectation WHI should be happening for the Titans?

(53:26):
We win it all this year?

Speaker 8 (53:27):
Is this it?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
You know?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I tell I tell Jack and Garrett back there, who've
been Titans fans. It's the inception of Tennessee that we're
going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 8 (53:34):
I tell our guys all the time that we don't
make any any predictions or promises, So I I certainly
can't step out here and.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
That's good meeting set, that's good.

Speaker 8 (53:41):
Anything other than that, I will say this, though, I
am excited about what we've done. The players we've added.
I think they're all you know we had with Calvin
Ridley and Tyler Boyd and and de Hop coming back,
and Tony Pollard mixed mixing in with with Taj Spears,
and you get a chance to draft J. C. Latham,
and you got a year two for Peter Skronsky, and

(54:02):
now you go signing Lloyd Kushienberry to send Like, I
feel like there's some there's some really exciting pieces that
you know, if we can put it all together, I
think we have a chance. And obviously I believe in
Will Levis. It's a large reason why I took the
job is that I think he's capable of being a
really good player, and he has not disappointed so far
in the offseason program. He's fantastic, does everything you ask
the way you want it, And I'm excited to see

(54:25):
what we have. I just I'll leave it at that.
I think we can. I think we can put together
a competitive football team.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
What do you see in Will Levis? Because again, we
just rattled off three guys that you've been around, Paid Manning,
Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow. What do you see similarly with
with Will?

Speaker 8 (54:42):
The drive? He's got the drive. He wants to be
a great player. He wants to do whatever it takes
to be a great player. I think one of the
cool things about watching Will get to play last year
and in some pretty adverse circumstances is you saw his toughness.
You know, I think that's kind of a common theme
with these guys, is they all have this kind of
innate toughness that that guy's rally around. You know, when

(55:02):
you see when you see a quarterback out there, you know,
diving for a first down or or taking a shot
and making a great throws. He's taking one on the chin.
That's the kind of guy you want to play for,
right Like you go, you go, yeah, let's I can
do this. That guy can This guy can do enough
for me to play hard with. And you saw all
those things on tape last year, and he saw his
physical talent. Obviously, I don't want him jumping and diving

(55:25):
and flipping around for first downs because let's not do that.
Let's not do that. Let's see that's that's that's the
that's the brand. I mean, you need that thing to work.
So we'll try to lessen some of that. But I
think he's proven uh his toughness to the to the
guys and the team and the people in the NFL
look at him and go, all right, this guy he's
got a chance. Now let's give him as much talent
around him as possible and and and see if we

(55:47):
can help him with a system offensively to have some success.
And he's got all the traits that you look for though,
as far as the drive and determination to be great Uh,
is there And that's that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
With the with Ran, like you walk into the building
and for the nine years I was with the Titans,
like day one and two of free agency, nothing ever
happened with the Titians. We kind of sit back, let
the first wave go, and you kind of pick pieces
up in the middle market. You guys came and started
just cleaning house immediately do you and Ran? How clear
is your guys' conversation of where you want the direction

(56:19):
to go? Like, how that's just on the same page?

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Clear?

Speaker 8 (56:22):
Him and I hit it off in the interview process,
and he was a guy that that I just connected
with immediately. You know, you meet people and you just
there's just something about the connection. You're like, this is
this is the kind of person I want to go
to work with every day. And it has been that
way from the minute we stepped on our first Zoom
interview through today. It's been everything I thought it would

(56:43):
be in terms of our working relationship and our vision
and how we want to execute the vision and what
it's going to take to get the team competitive to
where we feel like we can contend for the division
and for the playoffs and ultimately for a Super Bowl
someday that we've been on the same page with everything
and it's been really really fun, Like it's not like
that everywhere, as you guys know, you don't always get
that connection, and it's, uh, it's been incredible, and he's

(57:05):
got a great feel for what football is supposed to
look like we see it the same way. And man,
when you go into a free agency period and you're
in lockstep and with Chad Brinker as well, where you're like,
this is the direction we're heading, you feel really good
about it. And then the coolest part about it is
you get to a certain point in free agency where
things don't always you know, we didn't get everybody we

(57:26):
initially thought we were going to get, and so a
guy goes here and a guy goes there, and and
now you look around, Well, the difference in the good
teams in free agency is how fast do you pivot?
And so we lose two or three guys, and all
of a sudden we look up and we're like, we
should probably check in on Calvin Ridley and see where
that's at. You know, we got some we got money
we didn't think we're going to have. We lost a
guy or two that we thought we were going to

(57:46):
get back and we didn't. So let's let's check in,
let's see where it's at. And so then that process
started and kind of swooped in the middle of the
night and stole Calvin out of there. And that was
because you just you gotta fluid. You're able to pivot.
You have a plan in place, and when the plan
doesn't go exactly the same, you know where the next
spot is. And I thought Ram was masterful in the
free agency.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Process with like your philosophies in the way you want
to kind of cultivate your first job being a head coach,
like what you inherited with the Titans, from the familiar
faces who are still here. What are some of the
directions and vision you wanted to kind of take this
team internally in the building. Yeah, from what you'd understood
most previously.

Speaker 8 (58:23):
Yeah. Well, I think the thing about the Titans, I
think really for the history of the of the organization
in Nashville, is that it's always been a tough ass team.
You know, regardless of the players that have been on
the team, there's just a there's been a tradition of
this toughness every time we ever played Tennessee, it was
like buckle up, boys, like you're gonna get You're gonna

(58:43):
get every it's gonna be everything you got, everything they got,
and it's going to come down to the end. And
that's how I've always viewed the Titans every time we've
ever played them, for the years of been in the NFL,
It's just there's always been good players here. It's always
been tough teams, they've always been well coached. And that
part is the part you want to stay. That's sort
of like an ethos of the organization. You want that

(59:04):
to be a part of who they always are, regardless
of who's in charge. And the other part that I
believe in is that you want guys that love being
around each other, that love being in the building together,
and you want an environment that they love working with
their coaches too. And so there's a there's a feeling
that you want when you when you wake up in

(59:24):
the morning and you got to go to work, and
there's it's one of two ways. Either you're like, fuck, man,
I want to go to work today. Oh, I've been
there a couple of days, yeah, or it's like like
hell yeah, I can't wait to get to work, and
that's the what I what I'm going for is that
second option where guys wake up and can't wait to
be in the building because they love what they're doing

(59:45):
and who they're doing it with, and there's a connection
amongst the people that are doing it with. I think
that's what unique about where we are in Tennessee now
with Rand and myself is that it's a very open
building and there's there's a lot of back and forth.
Like you see Ram walking into hallways and he's out
of practice and he's dapping guys up and he's talking
to him in the lunch room and I'm around and

(01:00:05):
I'm visible, and there's our personalities play off each other.
And I think we hired a coaching staff that's the
same way. And I hope the players feel that when
they're in the building. I think if you ask most
of them, they would feel, at least to start, that's
how it feels. But I want guys that love coming
to work and playing football together. Because everybody's got money,
everybody's got talent, and I think that's what separates teams

(01:00:26):
is what kind of locker room do you have and
what kind of people are in the building, and I
think that's what matters the most.

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(01:01:55):
when we went to the franch of the facility, it
seemed like everybody was way more. Those guys were coming
up to us saying, hey, like it's different, like things is,
the energy is different, and there's a higher vibe here
That doesn't take away from anything from John and Vrave,
like they there was a Patriots Way type of vibe
where buttles are tight when you go into a team
meeting and you know you can get exposed if you
have a bad play at practice. So it was like
everyone's got to be on their shit to know that

(01:02:18):
on Sunday we're gonna go win. Like, how long once
you got in the building and got with the guys,
did you see the transition of them like all right,
letting their shoulders down, letting their guard down a little bit.
I'm being like, Okay, we can we can mix it
up a little bit with the coach. Yeah, it's headball
coach in a GM. That's that's a tough two guys
to mix it up with and feel comfortable unless you're
like that that's been in the game for a long time.

Speaker 8 (01:02:37):
And I still feel like guys get nervous sometimes around
me and I don't. It's new for me being in
the role too. I realized how.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Much your position like a cool guy.

Speaker 8 (01:02:47):
I'm learning more about the weight of my words and
my interactions and how much it matters to guys when
maybe you don't think twice about it, but it might
be the only time you interact with the head coach
the for a week, and like that hit that sticks
with guys. I remember Eve as a play how that
would stick with me? And I'm much more mindful of
that now than maybe I ever was, And even as
the days go by, it stands out sometimes. But I

(01:03:09):
think that there's a lot of ways to win in
the NFL. There's not one set way that you have
to take, and I think as long as you're kind
of authentic to what you believe in, you can you
can build the program in the image that you think
is the right way. And I just believe that there's
a when you come to work and there's a there's
a looseness and and and and a joy in the process.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:03:31):
It makes a really hard profession a little less hard.
And I think when you get into the the part
that when it is really hard, when you're in December
and it's tough, and you're banged up and it hurts
uh to go practice every day, there's something other than
the money motivating you to go out there and play
with the boys, right, I mean that's kind of what
that's what you want. And yeah, I think an environment

(01:03:53):
that's got some joy to it and some fun and
some energy, I think takes a little bit of the
edge off of how hard it can be. And it
can be hard, you know. It's even when everything's great,
even when everything works well, there's always days where it's hard.
And I think that if you have a locker room
in a building that's conducive to a little bit of
fun and excitement and offended. I mean, I am who

(01:04:15):
I am, I'm gonna I don't want to try to
be anybody else. And that's just always been my personality.
And I think that hopefully that that that shows up
in what our team looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Yeah, you ain't lying. I mean the playing football every
day is it's a grinder, especially like you're saying later
in the year, it gets dark a little earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
You're feeling on your nick last week of October is
like the worst the walk through today or have to
lace some up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
And you're right too, Like jokes you might say as
a position coach or a coordinator might hit a little
differently to an athlete. But if you're saying a joke
as a head coach, like the athlete could be driving
home like fuck does he think? I'm just like you're
in your own head, But if he gives you something positive.
Can remember Shanahan one time he came up all interception machine.
This is like my rookie year. I had had two

(01:04:58):
interceptions in a practice. I just remember just riding on
Cloud nine thinking, like, you know, the head ball coach
noticed me, you know. Yeah, so it's got to be
like interesting knowing that your words do carry like a
different weight to that part is everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:05:12):
Yeah, if I walked in one day, I walked into
talked to one of the assistant coaches like I normally
would like when I was a coordinator and I'm kind
of busting balls, but I kind of see like the
reaction on his face was like, oh, what like to
do something wrong, I'm buying in trouble, And I was like, Oh,
I probably shouldn't. I probably need to probably need to

(01:05:34):
tone that one down, and yeah, make it, make it
not feel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
So tone it down or tell whoever that is, don't
be so soft. Yeah, we're having a good time. It's
gonna be all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Jay would be talking about me making plays in space.
I would literally just beg man, I know the front
office though, the whole coaching stuff must think I just
can't tackle in space.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
But in your head about everything, he just said that joke, Like,
I know, I don't. I don't think people understand how
much mental warfare goes on between players and coaches. No,
I don't know if you all try to do mental warfare.

Speaker 8 (01:06:01):
But I just don't. I'd rather not. I prefer not
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Which is so difficult though, because you're right, like the
words of a head coach, when you say anything like
a noline coaches due, you could easily write that off
at whatever the head coaches it to you. You're calling
your girlfriend, your wife, it's two family members, Like he
said this, Like what do you think good, bad or ugly?
You're doing whatever you can.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Tire off season, you're working on that one thing that
was kind of said, right and rain forever.

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
And then as a as as a head coach, it
might even he might not even have thought twice about it,
might have just been like an in passing comment. Yeah,
and all of a sudden, you're just like you just
all in your head about whatever it was that was said,
and the head coach might have forgot even said it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah, you talk about having fun. What's your stance on
rookie shows?

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
You love it about them, You're about them, about them
pro rookie show, however, yeah is you're twenty twenty fours
A but the show there's there's have not been the
recentokie shows that I've been around, subpar. Need the rookies
need a little help from some guys out there in

(01:07:08):
the world that know what a rookie show is supposed
to look like. And uh, I've just not been not
been impressed with some of the things. They're just not funny. Yeah,
and there's nothing worse than going Like rookies ship, you're
amped up, like I can't wait to see who they
who do they go after? Yeah, it's like they're kind
of they get scared. You can't be scared. You should
know as good as anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Yeah, I was gonna say, you let me sit around
training camp for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
You'll you'll have a few down impressions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, get some manurisms of yours and I'll just go
after you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I'll just go Yeah, going after the head ball coach
is the best thing to do as a rookie by far,
but it's also the scariest thing to do as a rookie.

Speaker 8 (01:07:42):
Also true, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Gotta find that sweet balance being good graces with you,
but also find all the possibly can.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
But if, if you can get a good rookie show
is maybe one of the better, one of the finer
things in life that you set the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Tone training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Oh yeah, that's at the ending though, like you're like,
everyone's kind of excited to get out of there. This
is going to set the tone for the first game
of the season. Yeah, all together for the last time
before cuts. What's we're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Get If any rookies are watching this study Coach Callahan
and go after him during the Rookie Show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Have to have to have to like go too hard,
like make it the roast of Tom Brady, go to
the family.

Speaker 8 (01:08:21):
Just just lay it all out there and just just
hope the reaction is good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I was just gonna say, who are, in your opinion,
the funnier guys on the team.

Speaker 8 (01:08:30):
I'm still getting to know. I'm getting to know more personalities.
Is that as the days go by? It sure seems
like arden Key's got enough personality for everybody, which is great.
I love it. I enjoy the personality part, Like I
love guys that got something to them and make it
fun like that's that's awesome. I love when guys feel
like they can beat themselves. Arden's probably the one that

(01:08:51):
stands out the most. Taj Spears has got a good's
got a good kind of a He's quiet, but he's
got a little personality that pops up every now on again.
Still trying to figure out which offensive lineman's got it.
You know, they're so they're there. Every day is like
a new day for them. Right now with with Coach Bi,

(01:09:11):
I don't know if personality but uh, there's some guys
I think that are that are candidates for it, but
generally tends to be the defensive guys that have the
most personality and then they're at least afraid to show it.
So I think that there might be a few of
those guys. But I'm hoping that some of these rookies
come with something good in August.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I mean, that's what they got to be the most
focused on, Like playbook comes second to the Rookie Show.
To make sure that you have that rookies entertainer to
make the ball club entertainment. Yeah, entertainment.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
We're an entertainment business exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
With being the head coach for the first time and
taking the first team meeting, addressing the team, what are
the nerves like, because every head coach I've ever.

Speaker 8 (01:09:49):
Had, it's a lot. There's there's some nerves in there,
for sure, I bet, because you want to make you
want to make a good impression where and again, we've
had like twelve team meetings since the first one. So
like the the novelty does wear off, like after you
get through the first one, but that first one you
spend a ton of time thinking about and you just
want to make sure that when you come in there
that the guys look at you and go, yeah, I

(01:10:10):
like this guy. I'm I'm willing to listen as you
guys know. You can come in here sometimes and maybe
the first one rubs you the wrong way and you're
kind of like, I don't know about this cat, you know,
like yeah, yeah, And so that's you just want to
make an impression good enough to where you've bought everyone's
attention for another week, you know, right, and hopefully they can.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
See you make sure has the same facial expression as
the first time.

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
You know, you're not losing the crowd, right, And I
try to be my team meeting, they try to be
to the point. You know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
I'm not a preacher, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:10:39):
I don't need to. But I do have messaging that
I want to get across, and so I spend a
lot of time thinking about the messaging and what I'm
going to say, and hopefully that in a in a
very short eight to ten minutes, I can convey whatever
that is for the day. And I only have one
a week, so I don't overdo it. Yeah, nobody wants
nobody wants to hear me talk that much. I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
And the fall, you only have one a week in
the fall.

Speaker 8 (01:10:59):
In the seasons arts, it'll be a Wednesday and a
Friday Wednesday, or Friday Wednesday and Thursday to the rest
of the squad. Yeah, Thursdays is the own day. And
then you have something night before, which can be sometimes
the shortest two minutes, or you may go a little
longer if it's a depending on the mood of the
team and the and the game you're getting ready to play.
But try to try to limit the amount of times
I have to go preach in front of everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
What kind of coach are you? Night before a game, dude?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
I was just thinking, like, are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
We watching a movie scene?

Speaker 8 (01:11:26):
I got that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
I love something like what what's your go tos bro?

Speaker 8 (01:11:31):
I very much try to keep like the pulse of
like what we might which might need for that week.
You know. I did something kind of similar with A
in Cincinnati on Saturday mornings. I would do this tie
in of the game plan and I would mix in
whatever messaging I thought was, you know, might hit home.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Give an example like this messaging, Yeah, this movie scene?

Speaker 8 (01:11:53):
If it's no I used actually used quite a bit
of The Man the Arena documentary one year. I kind
of took pieces of it over the course of the season,
and then like every other week I might have something
from that that because there was just so many good
things from that documentary. I thought about, like what a
championship team would feel like, and so I try to
use as many mediums as I can to help convey

(01:12:17):
whatever message I'd be trying to convey. And I even
do that now. I had one even for a rookie meeting.
There's this clip on the internet with there's a ball
boy a handful of years ago one of the soccer teams.
I think it might have been like Tottenham, where this
ball boy is like super dialed into his job and
he gets the ball. It's on a throwing but the
ball comes out of bounds and he has one in
his hands and he's just his job is to get

(01:12:37):
it to that guy as quick as possible. Well, he
jumps out of his seat, tosses the ball to the guy.
They throw it in on like a fast break, and
they score because they catch team in transition because ball
boys like on top of his shit. Yeah, you probably
say it was viral and it was viral, but it's
it's it's out there. And I showed it to the
rookies and I was like, this is like talk about

(01:12:57):
finding a role and doing it well. Like here's just
ten year old ball boy or thirteen year old bah
boy that knows that if I do my job really well,
it's gonna help us. And yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Don't They bring them to the locker room after this. Yeah,
they give him like a jersey.

Speaker 8 (01:13:10):
Yeah, and so things like things like that. It's wild.
It was, I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:15):
And then and then manager goes over like look at
how fast and then transitioned right, balls in his hand,
he's running, they're on sides and then he ends up
with a hitting a man transition for a score, and
like I think it was a huge game too. So
then the manager's tapping them up and like things like that,
if I can anything I can find, I use quotes
some guys in the NBA. I've used Steph Curry, anything

(01:13:37):
that reinforces the message. Like I told, I showed the
rookies that, and it was like, look, man, find whatever
your role is, wherever they whatever's asked of you, like
make it the most important thing. And if you have
a chance to make a play, then you make the play.
That's how you get recognized. And so it's stuff like that.
I can fire and brimstone it pretty good when I
want to, but I try to save those in my
back pocket form yeah, for when you really they need it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
When you talk about playing the Tennessee Titans held like
it was effort, toughness and they are very well coached. Yes,
what are the core values you're seeking to bring in
with the Tennessee.

Speaker 8 (01:14:09):
Titans with this new wave, just in terms of like
what what I want our team to look.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
For by the things you're going to preach, Like usually
a lot of times, like coaches have like these are
three things that we are going to be built on
as our foundation as a team, Like as you being
the head coach of Tesse Titans, Like what are those
three pillars.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
Or yeah, there's there's there's a little bit of nuance
to it, but the main one is we have three
c's and it's character, communication, and connected team And like
those are the three things that I think matter the
most is that the character guys. Are they coachable, are
they dependable? Are they positive? You know what I mean?
Is there are those the guys you want to be
around as a teammate.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:14:44):
And then when you talk about the communication part, like
the best teams in the league are great communicators, verbal, visual,
you know, especially up front. I use that example all
the time. It's like, you got to pick up blitz
Is on third down to win in the NFL, and
you got to be on the same page. And sometimes
it's allowed to ship on the road and you're on
a silent count, and how do you how do we
get to calls communicate? How great are we communicating? It

(01:15:06):
also falls into the off the field part too, like
when something's going on, make sure we're community. If you're
going to be late to a coach on me late
to the team meeting and you called me at seven thirty,
that's good communication. If the meeting's at eight, I got
an issue. I need help taking care of it, right,
we can work through that. If you tell me eight
oh five after you show up to shoe at a
car issue, that's bad communication.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
That's a fine.

Speaker 8 (01:15:25):
That's a fine. Yeah, So that's what we're looking not
to do that. So those those three season, the last
one I think I've kind of touched on is that
being a connected team and being a part of something
that's that's bigger than yourself. Like, again, everybody's got money,
everybody's got players, there's talent in the league. Every game
comes down to one possession most of the time. And
what's the separator And to me, it's the teams that

(01:15:45):
when you look at them, you feel it when they play,
You're like, man, those dudes are playing for each other,
like you feel it. And you guys have been on
those teams, you played against those teams, You're like like, damn,
these guys are on top of it and you feel
it from their sideline, you feel it from the energy
when they make a play like that's those are the
things that you want to see. And I think the
football parts are perrequisite, like you got to be able
to be detailed and have discipline. That stuff is that's

(01:16:08):
like not negotiable and that's expected. These are those things.
The character, the communication and being a connected team are
things that I think make the difference when all that
other stuff is equal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
That's awesome. I love that we talked about, uh the
gun slingers with Stafford, Manning, Levis and Burrow, But I
don't want to go. I don't want to not bring
up Browning last year getting thrown into the fire in
a very high pressure situation. Yeah, talk about him a
little bit, because I feel like you it's like when

(01:16:38):
that happened, it's like, well the Bengals, they're out of it. Yeah,
but you guys, you know, obviously you didn't didn't win
the Super Bowl or anything. Yeah, there was like zero pain.

Speaker 8 (01:16:47):
We were in it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Yeah, you guys were in it right there until the end. Like,
talk about talk about Browning a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:16:52):
Man, what a what a what a story? Really? I mean,
he's we we we stole him off the practice squad
before we played Minnesota in twenty twenty one, and we
brought him in too, ultimately sort of flush him for information.
You know, they cut the quarterback loose.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
We bring them the water board him, get him out
of there.

Speaker 8 (01:17:13):
When he came in and we're like, oh, this this guy,
I think is you know, we like this tape. And
obviously we didn't bring him in because just for that
we thought he was a good player. But but that's
just how the league works. You cut guys loose. And
we were playing in Week one, so we signed him
and he comes in. He starts like like, Wow, this
guy's really smart. And then he's a little bit undersized,
and he doesn't look he's not like a outwardly great

(01:17:34):
looking athlete, and you're like, all right, is this can
this guy play at all? And we weren't sure. And
he starts practicing and you're like, does some things that
you like, you can play on time, he can process,
and so we just sort of kept him and he
developed and he did a really nice job. And he
was with us for I think two and a half
years up to the chance to play, and he never
really got to play. Played a little bit of the
preseason and it was like, all right, well, Jake's gonna play.

(01:17:57):
Let's see, let's see what the guy's got. But we
felt really confident that he would perform well because he
works his ass off. He studies like crazy. And then
when you look back at his career, he started for
four years at Washington, they went to a rose boy.
He was a good college football player, yeah, and he's
got all the makeup that would make you a good
player in the NFL. And he went out there, man,

(01:18:20):
and he played awesome in a situation where it's hard
to play like, you know, every the franchise quarterback gets
hurt and like everybody's spirits are down. All of a sudden,
Jake Go's out there and guys were like, oh, fuck,
yeah we can do this, you know what I mean?
Like yeah, like I'm not out of Yeah, we're not
out of Let's go and h And he brought some
some life back into the team. And I give him

(01:18:40):
a ton of credit because he was really open about
what was good and what was bad, like, hey, don't
call that play. I don't like this play. Here's the
things that I need to play.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Like.

Speaker 8 (01:18:48):
He was very vocal about what he felt like he
could succeed with. And that's a ton of credit goes
to him because you know, when you're in a position
as a player, like you're like, oh, if I say this,
they might tell me that they can't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
No, you won't do it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:00):
You'd be afraid to say something you want to. You
just you just want to do what's asked of you.
And he goes in the first Pittsburgh game and we
were kind of like, are you sure you feel good
about this? And he's like, yeah, just call the game
how you called it for Joe, I'll operate I'll play well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
And he didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:19:14):
And he came back to the next week and is like,
don't call this, don't call this, don't call this. Call
these things. Give me more peer progression, give me a
chance to work through a read, find me some things.
And he was like, all of a sudden, it was like, oh,
not thank you. This is what we need from you,
and we'll do whatever it is you need to do
to feel like you can play well. And so a
ton of credit to him for being able to say that,
but he went out there and showed that he's a

(01:19:36):
legitimate quarterback in the NFL. And when I got the job,
he was joking, He's like, you know, it's he was
kind of messed up. He's like, I've gotten more guys
have gotten the head jobs when I've played, and he's like,
do people think I'm that shitty that I play well enough?
And like it's now everyone's a great a great coach.

(01:19:57):
And I'm like, I said, that's pretty backwards. I do agree,
but hilarious, bro, yeah, because it was almost like, you know,
when you get hired and everybody we're hyping everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
It's like, I mean, Joe b went down and they
were still contenders with Jake Browning. Not like shitting on Jake,
but you're like everything can still.

Speaker 8 (01:20:15):
But yeah, yeah, inadvertently you do. Yeah and uh and
that's so we laughed about it. But but I do
think he he deserves a ton of credit for how
well he played. He's kind of a self made I mean,
he's worked his he's worked his tail off to get
in position to when you get that opportunity to go
to go play well. And he's gonna play in the
NFL for a long time because of it. And I

(01:20:35):
love the dude. I think he's outstanding. He's got a
great personality, and I was really happy for him that
he had a chance to show his talents like that,
and and he was open and honest enough with us
to help us put him in a position and that's
ultimately our job.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:20:49):
Yeah, but he's a good but he is a he's
a good football player.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Yeah, play him on the Titan someday.

Speaker 8 (01:20:55):
Who knows he's he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
You never be an option.

Speaker 8 (01:21:01):
Thanks in your contract for like a year or two
two years I think for.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Oh you know, yeah, you're very aware. Yeah, so you're
saying those quarterback controversy in Cincinnati right now?

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Is that what you do?

Speaker 8 (01:21:13):
You know what? Absolutely big debates. Who's going to be
not sure, who's gonna be might might be Joe, who knows.

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love you, guys, see you. You talk about personalities of players,
and now more than ever, it seems like the landscape
of NFL is changing with all the ni all stuff

(01:24:00):
in college. Guys are coming into the league with money already.
Do you see that change in personalities as new guys
start to come in, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:24:07):
You do. It's different. I mean is it is a
little bit different now, Let's not pretend like guys weren't
coming in the league with money before.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Right, Not at UCLA obviously not definitely, certainly not there.

Speaker 8 (01:24:16):
Yeah, maybe not in Nebraska either, but unless Michigan, Michigan.
I don't know. I feel like that's I wish, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
I wish we had that sec treatment. I got a
free meal once. I bring it up all the time.
One time I got a free meal. One time. That
fired me up.

Speaker 8 (01:24:29):
You get like one hundred dollars handshake somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
No, never, I never got offered a dime, and it
bugs me because I would love the opportunity.

Speaker 8 (01:24:36):
To take somebody's money.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Yes, I never hear.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
About is they just put money like on a turnover
on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
You were about a coach.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
A thousand, and then another coach would match it, and
then in college and Sue would get it. And it's like, oh,
all right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Because you know Sue was getting paid. You know something's happening.
But Stafford, he I heard stories about him being at
Georgia and be there'd be five hundred thousand dollars in
his mailbox for him to stay for another year.

Speaker 8 (01:25:03):
Yes, I mean, those those are all you hear those
stories all the time, Georgia, right, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
I get him and Bradford mixed up sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
If you had to guess, would you think that's true?

Speaker 8 (01:25:13):
I mean I think, I think. I think I think
some of it gets there's they're probably like fishing stories,
like the fish gets bigger as the years ago by.
I think there's probably some of it. But crazy, Yeah,
I'm sure at all. I'm sure they're I mean, they're
not made up, like I'm sure those stories all happened
pretty regularly, I would imagine. But the kids coming in now,

(01:25:36):
I mean, you it's there. It's a different style, Like
they've already been paid, you know, so this isn't the
first time they've had money. And I think that that
part is is unique, that the money thing isn't new.
But what is new for them is that now they
can't transfer and they are under contract, and I think
that's a different mindset for them, Like they're used to
being able to kind of really move, you know, wherever

(01:25:58):
they want. College football transfer two three and nothing wrong
with transferent, but there's it's a different mindset. Like when
things are hard in the NFL, you're under contract and
you're gonna get cut. You're gonna figure it out. And
I think that's where it changes for guys, is that
they're not used to that that binding agreement that doesn't
really exist in college football anymore, and that they have
to play well to get money, you know, like that's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
The other In the NFL, they come up and ask
for trades all the time. Yeah, your boy in Cincinnati,
he said he wasn't getting paid enough, the Henderson, I mean,
it's news that he asked for trade, public public knowledge
clad airing the boy out. But you are constructually obligate.
You publly should think about that a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
But I think there that is the difference, though, is
that there's no like I do like there's a resilience
factor to maybe some of how some of these kids
have come to college where the minute they don't like something,
they leave, and the adjustment period comes when they get
to the NFL and it's like, well I don't like this,
and it's like sorry, you know, like you you don't
have a choice. Like So that part, I think is

(01:27:03):
where it changes. The money part I don't think has
changed kids other than they just have more experience with money,
and so you're not as concerned about maybe some of
the things that a kid for the first time getting money.
Some of these kids are been making money for four years, right, Yeah,
paying taxes, and you know that's not new for him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
It almost might be a good thing actually that they're
making a little bit of money in college.

Speaker 8 (01:27:21):
Yeah, especially some of the the guys that are getting
big money. You know, they're used to getting big money.
They're probably getting big money because they're good players, and
so they likely are going to get pretty good money
when they get the NFL by their draft positions.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
So and hopefully have like the right teams kind of
already kind of building and structured around themselves to make
it an easy transition. You would hope.

Speaker 8 (01:27:38):
I think there is a little bit of a uh,
there's some there's probably some predatory opportunities out there for
guys and some of these guys in college that don't
know anything, and when you're talking about putting people around you,
you just hope that they're making good decisions with it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Yeah, gotta have a team, Yes, you have a team
that checks everybody. Yeah, Derrick Henry, Yeah, long time time
and going to be obviously in the Ring of Honor.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Eventually, No, that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Was there a conversation with you and RAN. You have
to try to reach out and say, hey, let's do
this one more year.

Speaker 8 (01:28:07):
They had touched base, you know, RAN had a relationship
with them, obviously being there for a year, and they
went back and forth on what the money would look like.
And we just knew we had the holes that we
had to fill. The money would be allocated initially elsewhere,
and the running back market went pretty good. I mean
there's some guys that got paid. It was higher money
than I think maybe we had projected to start across

(01:28:29):
the league for the running back position. And that's good
for those guys, that's great. And so when you get
into those positions where you know we're trying to fill
multiple holes in a free agency period, it's like where
do you want to allocate the money and how do
you want to spend it? And I think that I
would have been absolutely open to Derek coming back. I
think it felt like Derek was ready for something new.

(01:28:51):
And then the money part when it happened. Those conversations
go back and forth, and yeah, ultimately it was for
both parties, probably the best decision at the end of
the day for him and for us. But I mean
he is the He was the Tennessee Titans for the
better part of the last six years, probably seven years.
Where I mean, that's what you thought. You got to Tennessee,
you thought of Derrick Henry and look forward to the

(01:29:13):
day when he his name gets to go up in
that stadium because he's earned that right. Yeah, to be
up there with the greats. He's he's phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Getting to hang out with you at the facility and
asking if you'd come on the bus. So she started
to learn that you were a bit of a STOOLI
in your younger days.

Speaker 8 (01:29:28):
I was, Yeah, I was. I was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I always know that you're on the bus. Did you
hit the group chat up?

Speaker 8 (01:29:33):
Hey, I didn't tell anybody. Yeah, that was gonna be
there's I got some old from my high school buddies
will be pretty pretty fired up. Yeah that's pretty far.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
That's awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:29:42):
Yeah, I was. I I feel like I was on
the I was on the I was on the front
end of the barstool experience. I mean, it was back
when it was just a handful of those guys blogging,
when it was just the blog it was it was
a two thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
The blackout party is that what it was called.

Speaker 8 (01:30:00):
Other my brother and my sisters went and went to
a couple of those blackout parties. They're they're only my brother,
only eighteen months younger than me, and they would always
tell me about the blackout parties and you see the
videos online. It was it was a it was a
different time on the internet, that's for sure. But yeah,
I remember. I mean those guys were obviously Big Cat
and and Dave and those guys. I've been reading those

(01:30:21):
things for probably pretty close to when they from when
they started, and laughed for a lot of laughed a
lot for a long time reading that stuff. So, uh yeah,
I'm I'm a I'm a stueleie. I've been. I've been
one for a really long time. I feel like it's
got to be a weird part that, like I'm be
forty years old in June, and I think there's like
this whole generation of like middle aged stoolies that were there,

(01:30:43):
no question. I mean, it's like, man, it's been theyve
been doing this a long time. It's yeah, like every.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Time I see Bake Cat, he's got more and more
gray hair.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
You just I can relate, I can relate.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Yeah, who was your favorite who's your favorite personality? Well
whole up before you did.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Maybe we should tear talk this for him. Okay, are
you are you a familiar tear talk?

Speaker 8 (01:31:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
So tier talk is we're just based. It's a ranking system.
Oh yeah, you're gonna start with three and work us
up to one. You can give as much context or
as those context as you want. The tier talk will
be your favorite barstool personalities.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
All right, will be got there?

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, you start with three.

Speaker 8 (01:31:21):
Start with three you can.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Give an honorable mention to if you're having a hard time.

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
Okay, I mean I would probably be the originals of
the guys that I'm probably talking about. I would say,
I would say my three. Okay, three would be I'll
probably never be invited back here, But three would probably
be Dave probably never let me back here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
That's because he's too low or Dave gets gets mad
at us a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Both.

Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
I'm a big I'm a big I'm a big supporter,
so I want to appreciate it. I would say two
would be KFC and loveless and reading KFC's blogs back
in the day, and then one would be big Cat.
I thought Big Cat was his humor and my humor
were very similar, and so it was going, Bro, he is,
he's a machine man. I don't know how he does.

(01:32:13):
I don't know how he keeps it's I mean, he's
like he's like Internet Kobe or something like. He just
got this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
That his recall incredibility.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
You'll have a conversation with him and four years later
he'll remember it. There was a clip that came out
yesterday about him and KB on the YAT and it
was back in October about him putting a razor blade
in some of kb's food and eventually he's gonna give
it to him with the calendar year, and he did
it yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
He's like an elephant, Bro, he is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
He really is an elephant. I thought that was so
he actually.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Truth be told. He's got a question that he proposed
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Is this the Is this the one?

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Yeah, it's the one that we don't.

Speaker 7 (01:32:53):
Like see PC the BC. First of all, thank you
for being a stoolian supporting us all these years. I
got a question for you on taking a piss while
I do this. I got a question for you on
the bus.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
We'd love to have you on the show, and I
was looking at the calendar, June twenty fifth, If you
want to come to Chicago, we'd love to have you,
whole family, anyone.

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
Wants to come up June twenty fifth, come to Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
We'll do an interview, we'll do the Gauntlet, We'll have
a great time.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
So that's I guess My question is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Can you come to Chicago June twenty fifth and come
on pmtant to some context.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
The context on that is our Beer Games Championships of
the World is on June twenty fifth. He is, he's
on the list. He can't he's back out. He can't
back out. He can't bas he has he can't back out. Yeah,
and he's got this running bit happening right now that
he can't back out. And since we've had to do
a couple hurt we've had a couple bumps in the

(01:33:53):
road with the Beer Olympics, with the Beer Games. Sure,
he likes to give the boys a hard time. So yeah,
I guess he wants you to come on part of
my take, which I'm sure that's a yes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Absolutely, June twenty fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
We're gonna have to. He's busy, busy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
We also it's vacation time for y'all, too right, it
is it is.

Speaker 8 (01:34:09):
I'm moving. I am moving in that very short time
frame from Cincinnati finally down here. I'm living in a
house by myself, in an empty house with a bed.
That's the life, that college lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
The matches on the floor, wires everywhere, TV lifestyle.

Speaker 8 (01:34:25):
Sitting on like a folding chair to watch TV.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
You kind of do enjoy it a little bit. Huh.

Speaker 8 (01:34:29):
There's part of it that brings back to your roots,
no doubt. But yeah, that might be a tough swing,
but we can look into it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Maybe next off season, maybe next off the next off season,
because they will take you out to Chicago and just
let whoever your boys are. You heard him saying, whatever
wants to come, you should come with an entire crew.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
And I'll say this about Chicago. Their HQ there is incredible.
It's like a fantasy factory basketball. They have literally everything
you want, basketball court, golf simulator, Chef Donnie and the
corner will make you whatever you want. It's some of
the best food you'll ever have. It's like the tidest
facility with out the indoor, without the football field.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It is.

Speaker 8 (01:35:03):
It is very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
It's very cool. You'd really enjoy it. Cool.

Speaker 8 (01:35:06):
My you know, my whole family is from Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Really yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:35:09):
My dad's born and raised his South Side of Chicago.
My grandfather was a Chicago cop. Okay, but old Irish
Chicago cop.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Nice. Are you you grew up a Bears fan?

Speaker 8 (01:35:18):
I did grow up a Bears fan until obviously I
became a fan of my dad wherever we moved to.
But when my dad was coaching in college at University Wisconsin,
that was like the Bears were you know, he still
I did still watches like every White Sox game. Oh really,
Oh yeah, not very good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
It runs deep in Chicago.

Speaker 8 (01:35:35):
Deep is deep. So my whole family, my everybody, my mom,
mom's from the North Side, the whole family from Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Were you just a massive fan of your dad growing up? Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:35:42):
Yeah, yeah. He was always the man always. I mean
it's you know, yeah, through you know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Years where you're like he doesn't know everything.

Speaker 8 (01:35:52):
I never I know I did not really? Oh yeah,
I mean, god, I need some not I mean so well,
I'll say this like my dad was. My dad is
an intimatemidating personality, and I was the oldest of four,
and so I didn't ever have It was like I
was scared to death to make a mistake because I
you know, you ever hear him, yeall, he got a
real loud voice and it's intimidating. Yeah, And I did

(01:36:13):
not want to get I didn't want to get in trouble.
It's all my friends be like, dude, you got to
Like I had like a ten thirty curfew in high
school for a while, and all my boys, you gotta rebel,
don't you can't. They're like they're trying. Well, you know,
it's like, I mean, ten thirties kind of early to
that is it's early.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
But this is weekend curfew.

Speaker 8 (01:36:29):
Oh yeah, this is all the time curf Like this
is yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Seven old lights. Yeah, the game's over, You're going home home.

Speaker 8 (01:36:36):
No parties for me, none.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
That's the best. We don't forget that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:36:40):
But so that was the I was scared to death
of Like I was not rebellious to my dad because
I knew I watched my dad coach these guys for
all these years and how he his demeanor and his style.
I was like, I don't I don't need to cross that.
I don't need those problems.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Growing up, were you like, were you a troublemaker or
a straight shooter? The whole time?

Speaker 8 (01:36:55):
I was pretty straight shooter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:36:56):
I had enough. I had enough, probably enough mischief, but
not anything serious enough to really get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
What is the most devious thing you ever did as
a young team? Probably just tp a house, Probably egged
the house. That's a that's his next step. That's egging
is one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
He'll throw the toilet paper at the tree, but the
minutes might gets out of carton and eggs. He's probably thinking,
I want to He's the first.

Speaker 8 (01:37:19):
One for me. Yeah, I can't go that far. Yeah, Yeah,
that was It was nothing more like nothing more than that.
It was never anything.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
I had fun, classic boys being boys stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Do you ever get in big trouble?

Speaker 8 (01:37:32):
I did? Yes, I did one, and I was like
middle school probably m hmm. I I can't really want
to tell the story, but I am because it's funny
and whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:37:42):
When I was in middle school, we me and my
little neighbor next door, my buddy, I used to run
around all the time. We wesed. We decided we were
gonna make a torch parents weren't home. We run on
so we wrap all this toilet paper on a stick
and dip it in gasoline and we're like swinging it around.
We're middle school what I gave and we're swinging it
around and we're having a hell of the time. And
we're in these woods behind our house, and we try

(01:38:06):
to be responsible. We had water, put put the put
the torch in the water.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:38:09):
It's and and I look out like an hour later,
and nobody my parents were home. I look out like
an hour later, and the entire for the entire force
is on fire behind our house. I mean it was
like fire department. I mean it's like it's like flame. Yeah,
and we you know, we didn't mean to obviously, but

(01:38:30):
but it's like there's you know, it's a patch of
I mean it wasn't small. It wasn't like a whole
fun but I mean there was trees on I mean,
it was on fire. The fire warman had to come
and put it out, and uh. And but at the
time my parents weren't home. I was there, but I
was home by myself, and the fire department came, they
put it out, and they left, and I was like,
I'm in the clear. They're never going to know. And

(01:38:51):
so my buddy whose parents were home, they saw it
and they put the clamps on him and he cracked.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
No, yeah, he cracked. He definitely boy cracked. Yeah, did
you have a talk with him after my brother?

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
You got it?

Speaker 8 (01:39:05):
Like, come on, man, how did you get him to crack?
It's so easy because we were like relatively good kids. Like,
it wasn't like he was. We weren't trying to do
anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
I think he was.

Speaker 8 (01:39:15):
But then so my parents know. And then my dad
asked me on multiple occasions, hey, do you know anything
about what happened back there behind the house? You Nope,
no idea. I mean lied to his face, lied to
his face, And I thought I was getting away with it,
and little did I know, I was just getting set up.
That was just he was just stringing me along, just waiting.

(01:39:37):
And that was the most mad I think I've ever
seen him, not because of what we did, but because
I lied to him about and he gave me ample
opportunities to tell him the truth, and I just stuck
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
So he did it a few different occasions, maybe the
first time he let it pass. I'll see if he
thinks about it a little bit more, old man, that's
a vet move.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
That is a vet move.

Speaker 8 (01:39:55):
So when you when you wonder why I probably wouldn't rebel.
When I was in high school, I saw that and
I was like, nope, no, thanks, No, I don't need
those problems.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
That's a savvy dad move. My dad would go out
of town in high school and he'd like, you're not
all out in the house. I go to your mom
session all in the house. And one time we had
a party and I came home and I was like,
you you've been in the house at all. I was
like no, But he set up like T shirts and
certain things in parts of the house. I was I
was just a little bit dirty. But he remembered every
spot he put it in, so if it was moved
it all. When he got back, he know somebody was

(01:40:27):
in the house. I folded. It was like ten people
at the house too. It wasn't even a cool party.
It was a kickback, kickback. But yeah, man, dads are
good like that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Yeah, Billy ever get you? Oh yeah, yeahsage that one
that comes to my mind. I think I've tolded before,
but my parents ri ode of town because my brother
I'm a junior in high school. So my brother, he's
a sophomore, absolute stud wrestler, he was. My parents said
that I had to wrestle that year, be grounded all

(01:41:00):
of winter. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad said it
helped me in football, which there is truth the wrestling
helping in football. Yeah, But my brother had a It
was my it was my first week weekend, like on
the squad and they're wrestling your boy JV junior and

(01:41:21):
I thought it was so disrespectful. But brother, Yeah, my brother,
who's a sophomore there, traveled out to Kansas City for
this uh wrestling tournament for the varsity team. And so
I'm just back at the house by myself. So I throw,
you know, I throw a party, nice little banger, and
I'm talking it's ever clear. It's it's the cheapest of
the cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
The most of the most, the plastic stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Yeah, and you know, it was rowdy to where basically
I had to be on the bus at like five
point thirty in the morning the next morning to go
to the JV wrestling tournament. And we were up all
night and I mean we're you know, we did I driven,
we take somebody home and drop them off there puking

(01:42:03):
in the driveway. As we're dropping them off, f I'm like, hey,
you gotta hurry, like we have to leave so I
can make the bus. And I'm still sauced from the night,
and uh, we're riding up. I'm trying to like get
some sleep. It's like an hour and a half bus ride.
And then I start texting the boys like I didn't
clean anything up, and my parents are gonna get home
before our bus gets back from the tournament. So just

(01:42:25):
terrible planning on my part. So I'm texting like Logan
and John and the boys. So I clean it up,
and they did their absolute best. They got some stuff
messed up, but they did what they could to clean
up the place. Well. I get back, by the way,
one the JV wrestling tournament did not get scored on hungover,
so just destroyed. But I get back and dude, my

(01:42:47):
mom finds this. There's a condom sitting out on the
end table that was being played with because forty year
old Virgin had came out and he was playing Aquaman
on his hand with the condom and my boy was
doing that. I mean, there was girls over and there's
fun to be had, but that particular loss that we

(01:43:08):
took was one that shouldn't have even been taken, you
know what I mean. And it was not fun. It
was not fun. My dad was one of those where
it was the same thing. I never wanted to be
in trouble by my parents. And I remember again another
another night where we got where we got caught drinking
and partying and stuff, and my parents came over and Logan,

(01:43:29):
my buddy, he's like my best friend and his mom
were pulling in the driveway and she's like, you guys
want to have a fun party. Boys will have a
party and just sit down on the grass. We're all
like wind up sitting down like you know, Indian style,
and all your parents are coming over. We got you
motherckers type of thing. My dad comes over and Bro
like you know your boys, got like tears in his eyes,
Like I'm like, Dad, I'm not going home, and he
like takes his glasses off. He's on like the other

(01:43:51):
side of the dining room table and we're in Logan's
house and he's like, son, you're coming home and starts
like walking around and I just start like going around
the table with it. Oh, Bro, but it was not good.
It was We've had We've had some runnings back in
the day in all and my dad it's always the
same speech, like you got the world ahead of you,
like you have at this point, I had like one

(01:44:12):
offer from like Illinois. Yeah, a dad, that's a good
call by dad, Illinois case stayed at the time, and
he was like, you're gonna you're gonna mess this up,
like you're gonna fuck this off. And but we had
we had some running some stories that definitely come to
my mind, and I'm like, fuck, the boys were in
some situations. Now. You never want to piss off your parents.

Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
No, not not if you especially when you got one
that's not one you want to mess with either.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Yeah, bro, you know there's a story I told her.
My dad He's like, you ever want to shot at
the title? You just let me know. And he's like
this close to him and he just doesn't blow me kiss,
but he just goes and in my face and I'm like,
all right, all right, dad, And you ever want a
shot at the time A senior, Oh, a senior. You

(01:44:59):
should have swung that, man, Bro, I don't there's a
different now, I would you know out of respect. It
would never happen. I would obviously take take advantage of
him now, but dude, there was I mean, as long
as you could have respect for an old man on
beating your ass, he had every bit of it up.

Speaker 8 (01:45:14):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie to you guys like I
wouldn't be surprised like my dad could.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
So probably with my ass.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
You don't want to Bill, Bill?

Speaker 8 (01:45:20):
Might you think he would?

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Bill? But this, I mean yoga is don't sleep on yoga,
but this man's a yoga at six am probably every morning.

Speaker 8 (01:45:27):
Yeah, just zen Oh yeah Bill, Yeah, Bill Kellen. Yeah
he can do the splits and handstands and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Oh okay, I I had no idea.

Speaker 8 (01:45:36):
Like I don't. You don't want to mess I wouldn't
mess with him. Yeah I would.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
That's the thing. Yeah, you know you're good. That's the
thing too. With like Bill, Like you know, he carries
this intimidating demeanor, but you know when he's saying something
to you, he has he has your respect because you know,
in his world he's putting in all of that work,
not just in studying, but in lifestyle with the yoga
and watching him prep all the way up until kickoff,

(01:46:01):
like laying on his back and just like studying his
notebook and writing down final notes. And he is the
man like I've always had a lot of respect for Bill.

Speaker 8 (01:46:09):
I appreciate glad.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
I never got to you, never had to partake in
his individual drills. But he always loved and the sled.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Yeah, I always loved the Bertha and Olga Olga.

Speaker 8 (01:46:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
God did he create those.

Speaker 8 (01:46:22):
Yeah, he invented the sled.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Do we invent the actual sled or actual sled?

Speaker 8 (01:46:26):
The sled that they were hitting, no ship, Yeah, that
actual actual invention of the sled.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Do we have as Yeah, this is a wild j
C is a he that's a unit of a man. Yes,
and he's being he got folded the first time he
see him starting to figure it out, and they figured
it out. There's no way anyone ever does good on
that the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Never.

Speaker 8 (01:46:46):
No, And that's when my dad's laughing at him because
they he bet him. Jasey's like, no, I got I'll
get it, I'll move and my Dad's like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Okay, just hands in his pockets.

Speaker 8 (01:46:54):
Yeah, but yeah, they they invented that sled when he
was in Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
That's that's impressive. Right there resetting the hits.

Speaker 8 (01:47:03):
They call it taking another bite, So he takes another
bite and gets going. But that sled he he worked
with Ray Crowd, the company, and they they sort of
developed it together and and made that that sled. The
angles and the and the handles where your hands fit,
and like just it feels more like what a defensive
lineman feels like coming off the ball versus like the

(01:47:24):
old squared up sleds.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Yeah, with j C drafting him, getting your first opportunity
to get your hands on him a little bit, is
there anything that surprised you at him that you do
think that maybe he didn't have or is he.

Speaker 8 (01:47:35):
Has advertised as advertised? I mean, we felt like there
was there was two linemen that we felt like we're
worthy of top ten picks, and that's Joe Alton and
JC and the two guys that we were like, either
one of those guys will happily take yeah, if they're
available to us. And thankfully j C was. And he's
everything we thought he was gonna be. And he's got
a super high ceiling because you just he's just got

(01:47:56):
all these physical tools that you he doesn't even really
know how to use. Them all yet, you know, but yeah,
super talented, great kid, all the things you could want
in an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Was there a fear for you him playing his whole
career on the right side, now moving him to left.

Speaker 8 (01:48:14):
No, because you know, one, it's been done before, guys
have transitioned from left to left. He played left in
high school, so it's not like he's never been in
a left handed stance. Played four years to Alabama because
he had to with Evan Neil and I think it
was Tyler Steen maybe, But so they had guys that
left and then they had a five star recruit come
in and he'd already played a couple of years over there,

(01:48:34):
and they were like, well, this is our chance to
get our best five guys. Well, you're comfortable they will
leave you there. But he's fully capable of playing left tackle.
I think he's probably comparable to like what Tyron Smith was.
Tyrann came out as a right tackle, played right tackle
for a year in the league, and they moved to
left in that transition. Obviously that worked out great for
him and for them. You know, he just did it

(01:48:54):
with Jedrick Wilson in Cleveland, which had played on the
right in Alabama and played left and he got to
Cleveland for the last four years now, so not unprecedented.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Yeah, and he's got the talent to do it, so
that's awesome. I'm glad to see her that he's a
good dude, because I worried those top notch SEC schools
after dealing with Isaiah Wilson in twenty twenty. Sure, that
was a horrible experience for everybody involved in the Titans.

Speaker 8 (01:49:15):
Buildings from Afart seemed like that was not a lot
of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
No, it was not, But he does seem JP was
with him. JP's not in here. JP was with him
at IMG and he says he's an awesome guy. He was, dude. Yeah,
an IMG two academy. The they have like leadership, they
have like mindset classes.

Speaker 8 (01:49:34):
It's a sports factory.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
We always talked to Tyler Booker who was at Alabama
with him, and the way he was talking about mindset
and meditation and all that. It was like eye opening
to see that this young cat has all these tools already. Yeah,
it's because IMG.

Speaker 8 (01:49:48):
Yeah, I mean that he's and he was a numb
one recruit. It's not like he's nombre recruit in the country.
He goes to Alabama, it's like his he's known nothing
but success. Yeah, and sometimes there's there's something to that.
I think it was cool though. The other day, after
the first practice, he struggles with the sled and he's
kind of kind of made him mad, like he's a
little bit disappointed he couldn't do it the right way

(01:50:09):
right away. And so it's like five o'clock. They had
the rookie minie camp in the morning. This was on Friday.
They appracticed in the morning. They're done at like about
five o'clock and sit in my office and look outside
and j C's out there like running one hundred yard
sprints and then he's like mosing down to where the
sled's at, and all of a sudden he starts hitting it,
says by himself, And all of a sudden, I walk
next door. I'm like, rand, should I stop him. He's

(01:50:31):
like let him go for a minute and just just
let him do his thing. And but he's out there
in the afternoon, mad that he didn't do well enough,
and he's out there working again. I'm like, that's that's
when you're like, Okay, this is the right makeup like
this guy's.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Yeah, that's as a juicy yeah. As a head coach,
you got to look at that and be like, that's
the guy we just drafted. That's awesome, unbelievable feeling.

Speaker 8 (01:50:50):
That's awesome. And but then there's also the flip side
of it, is like, dude, you're gonna get plenty of work.
You might just want to take the recovery when you
get it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
But what a good first impression.

Speaker 8 (01:50:58):
But yeah, I mean it was that that goes a
little way, and it was every day after that where
he'd be out like you just it's like part of
his routine. And when you see a young player, it's
got some routine where it's like I need to go
do this, this and this in the afternoon because that
helps me get ready for the next whatever it is.
At least there's some thought process behind it, like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Man, that'll do.

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
You'll be able, you can be alright.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
That's got a fire.

Speaker 8 (01:51:18):
Fire.

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Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
We have two massive Titan fans sitting on this bus
right now, Jack McPherson and Garrett Hargas. They've been Titans
fan since the beginning. Boys, do you have any questions
for coach CALLI?

Speaker 7 (01:51:58):
Yeah, I do, Jack Parson, how's it going?

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Jack?

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
Lifelong Titan fans, Super excited to have here on the
bus and behind the range of the Titans. My question,
with the significant upgrades we've gotten in the wide receiver
room recently, what is your plan regarding trailing Burk's with.

Speaker 7 (01:52:16):
Him only having one TD in twenty two games.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:52:19):
I know you've been asked this before in the media,
but would love to hear it first and from you.

Speaker 8 (01:52:24):
Sure, I think that's a that's a topic of conversation
these days. I'll tell you this, I only know what
I've seen of him. Obviously, I know that what precedes
him just because I've watched it and I understand it.
But from what we see on a day to day
basis with Tray, he's been phenomenal. Like his work ethic,
the things that he's done, does everything we've asked. He's

(01:52:45):
got unbelievable physical talent, and it's almost it's a personal
challenge to me and to our staff is how do
we find the best role for Trey to come help us?
Like I think he can be a good player, I
do think guys getting these situations sometimes, for example, you
know the trade AJ and they draft him, there's just

(01:53:05):
an intense amount of pressure on him to be AJ
or to replace AJ. And I think that that wears
on guys sometimes when it doesn't go well to start,
and it's hard to be a really good player at
receiver as a rookie. I think it's hard. I think
it's a difficult task, and so for him there might
have been a compounding factors of all that pressure he felt.

(01:53:26):
And then to be able to go play fast and
play aggressive and be free of that, I think is hard.
So what I'm hopeful for is that the addition of
these veteran players that we have in here a new
lease for him in terms of all I know is
what he's shown me, and I don't make any judgments
on what's happened before. And that opportunity to reinvent yourself

(01:53:46):
in a sense, I think is going to be really
good for him. And I've been impressed with what he's
done so far and I think he can play. But
it's like a personal challenge for me to find a
place for him to have some success because he's got
a talent and ability to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:53:59):
That's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
My second part question as well, who what credentials do
I need or who do I need to talk to
to be able to be the twelfth Titan and swing
that sort of honor put in the middle.

Speaker 8 (01:54:12):
Of the You know, I've not experienced this yet, so
you might have to.

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
It's okay, it's the first thing they do right before
the coin toss, and usually it's like an Eddie George
or a Javon curse. But what about Jack McPherson from Nashville,
Tennessee swinging that sword? Also one request again, you've never
experienced this. We need to bring back the OG paintrain video.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Yes, yes, this is OG Paintrain video does have to
come back.

Speaker 6 (01:54:42):
I don't know what happened if it was a copyright issue,
but there was an original video they played before every
fourth quarter of every.

Speaker 7 (01:54:49):
Game, and it needs to come back.

Speaker 6 (01:54:51):
I know if there's any Titans fans listening, they're turning
this up and going, come on, come on, Callahan.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
All right, key, they're calling them Kelly. A couple of
things right here, Jack, while he's answering the credential part
of that question, can you pull up the pain train?

Speaker 8 (01:55:05):
I'd like to see this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Jack is a guy. If you give him a reward
at the end of a tunnel, he will work endlessly.
Rich Eisen has not come on our show for almost
three years now, and he was told if he tweets
at rich Eyesen every day until he comes on the show,
we will gift him a Chevy Silverado. We're at day
what three something? Today was excuse me? See three years

(01:55:29):
and I got mixed up with this.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
This is the O. G.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Paine train.

Speaker 8 (01:55:33):
But yeah, Terry, is this like Terry Tate?

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Oh yeah, office Linebacker.

Speaker 8 (01:55:36):
I used to love those commercials.

Speaker 7 (01:55:38):
You're gonna have to put on headphones, I believe you
want to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
That's what this is great because they throw a little
Johnny Cash in here. This is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
I started over Jack.

Speaker 8 (01:56:09):
When did they stop playing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
This two years ago? Years ago?

Speaker 7 (01:56:13):
Yeah, there there's a version of it. It's similar.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
But people are saying ever since the one left the building,
they couldn't play that anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:56:20):
I'm not saying it. But we bring the O G
video back Titan super.

Speaker 8 (01:56:24):
Bowl four, Well, I'll do some research on that, Okay.
I gotta figure out why it went away in the
first place. Yeah, there's nobody anymore because I played a
Terry Sate video one time from the guys. How the
players looked at me like.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
I forget he can hear me? I told him, I
told I told him. We had a we had our
twisted question. I said, that's the one you got to ask,
and I said, we can't let Mitch talk.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
Yeah, Mitch michows are twisted questions and it's been it's
been tough unless he has helped with people in the DMS.
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(01:57:11):
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Keep it twisted, Grab a refreshing twist ted today. First question,
how many Super Bowls do the Tennessee Titans have? They
don't have any right they could have had one, because
in twenty nineteen, Mike Rable, the head coach of the
Tennessee Titans, sat on this bus and said he would

(01:57:34):
cut off his dick for a Super Bowl. Now that
starts off two and four ends up? Are you fucking
I'm good that team starts off I'm trying for rst.
That team starts off two and four ends up going
to the AFC Championship Game, beating and ending a Patriots

(01:57:54):
dynasty in the wildcard and then taking down the one
seed Baltimore Ravens with Lamar Jason this first MVP trophy
before the Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead Stadium wearing the
same uniforms. Mike Vrabel was asked, you said you cut
your dick off for a super Bowl? Is that still
the case, to which he said, it's a joke. We
were up ten zero in the first quarter, end up

(01:58:16):
losing that game and obviously not going to the Super Bowl.
My question, my twisted question for you, sir, are you
willing to cut your dick off for a Tennessee Titan
Super Bowl? Got two kids, two beautiful children.

Speaker 8 (01:58:29):
I don't know if I can. I don't know if
I can commit to that part. I got young kids.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
As this twisted question, Yeah, what are you willing to
do for a Tennessee Titans Super Bowl?

Speaker 8 (01:58:45):
I'd be willing to do quite a bit. Would you
take off a limb like a finger, let's say whole
hand like Ronnie Lott style.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Let's say whole hand.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
Would you hold hand? Yeah, your dominant hand.

Speaker 8 (01:58:57):
My dominant hand for super Bowl? Yeah, for the ten
See Titans.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
As the head coach.

Speaker 8 (01:59:02):
That would be pretty That would be pretty sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Old man gets one.

Speaker 8 (01:59:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Jack McPherson gets one.

Speaker 8 (01:59:07):
That's the most important, most important.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Garrett Hargas gets one. Sorry you didn't speak, I was
wrapped up.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Would you take off that dominant hand? M hmm.

Speaker 8 (01:59:21):
That would be tough, That would be tough to that
would be tough to offer up. But in fairness to
the commitment, I could, I could be if that's what
it meant, I would. I would give it some consideration.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
That this is a answer no question. Are you willing
to now that we've narrowed it down to a dominant hand,
would you cut off your right hand for a Tennessee
Titans Super Bowl?

Speaker 8 (01:59:43):
I cannot cut off my right hand because now here's
the problem. Here's the problem. I get into that same
situation again and someone says, I heard you would cut
your hand off. Yeah, you'd have to have some incredible
commitment to the process.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
How about this?

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Yeah, but then you finally do it, and then you
could bag then you.

Speaker 8 (02:00:05):
Could well afterwards, then you can back with the commit
what's the fun in that?

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
Two options? I'm gonna give you two options. There's a
classic locker room where a gun to your head, you
have to choose one. Yeah, would you rather for a
Titan Super Bowl, lose one testicle or get a busting
with the boys. Tramp Stamp Championship twenty twenty four tramp
stamp on your low back?

Speaker 8 (02:00:30):
Oh, I'll do I'll do the tramp stamp. Yeah, I
could do that. We got. I did a tattoo for it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Took us a couple of ways when he said a
little too easy tramp stamp.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
Yeah, yeah, no problem, he's actually a tattoo right there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
One.

Speaker 8 (02:00:43):
Yah, you can do it over the one already.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Get Yeah, Garrett, I did not give you opportunity to
time out, time out, time out.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
He never got a chance to answer the uh to
say if he's going to bring back pain Train or
Jack an opportunity to maybe one day swing this.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
Yeah, he told me. He told me to a swish.
I was like, we're getting right into it, right, that
is that's my fault. I'm realizing what I gotta do
the research.

Speaker 8 (02:01:04):
On the video.

Speaker 7 (02:01:06):
Yeah, Pain details that because.

Speaker 8 (02:01:08):
I don't know what. I've never even heard of it.
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
So let's let me it plays in the fourth quarter,
right Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:01:13):
Oh is that on the fourth quarter, like like renegade
style in Pittsburgh Like that's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
Yeah, yes, that's to kick off that fourth quarter.

Speaker 8 (02:01:20):
Yeah, I hear that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
You know. The fans want to maybe you ask questions.

Speaker 8 (02:01:25):
Yeah, I can do I can. I can at least
give you that. I'll look into it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:28):
That's all I'm asking yeah, George, the swords new for
me too.

Speaker 8 (02:01:33):
I gotta figure out what.

Speaker 6 (02:01:34):
And maybe the sword just so it's a little bit
more enticing for y'all's demographic. Maybe we bring Will and
Taylor X Titans out there too, then they can help
and we can all as a team slam that sword.

Speaker 7 (02:01:47):
In the ground.

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
We just both get on the knee and handed to Jack,
no doubt.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
Yeah that's exactly Jack.

Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
And hold it together and put around boys twelfth Man
then just King Arthur. Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
Yeah, g did you have anything?

Speaker 7 (02:02:01):
Yeah, I got a question.

Speaker 9 (02:02:03):
So, with the addition to the weapons on offense and
a unfortunate Titans fan base that can be fair weathered,
what can the fan base look forward to this coming season.

Speaker 8 (02:02:16):
Well, I think that we're gonna have a I think
we have a team of guys that are that are
hungry to prove I know not I know the perception
of us outside of of our building is not high.
I think we have a lot of people that don't
think that we're gonna be much and I think that's

(02:02:36):
where we want to be right now, and then we
have a chance to to prove a lot of people,
A lot of opinions wrong. I think we're made I
think we have a team that's made up to do it.
You're gonna have it. They're gonna play hard as hell,
there's gonna be I think we're gonna have fun playing together.
I think you're gonna see the energy and the connection
amongst the team. And at the end of the day,
the guys that we brought in he pair them with

(02:02:56):
the guys in the locker room is is we got
some guys that play football particular way. And that's as
as Dinard Wilson, our defensive courtinator, says, we've got some
dogs and he says d A w G. And that
stands for disciplined assholes with grit, and I like that.
But I think that's the image that especially on defense too,
with with lagerious and cheeto ating them at corner, Uh

(02:03:20):
you a big sweat and there in the middle and
Sebastian Joseph Day and your pair them with Jefferin. I
think there's some really cool things happening on defense that
I'm really excited about. And so again I can't make
predictions and promises and proclamations, but as far as the
people and what the team looks like, I think you're
gonna it's gonna be a product that people are gonna
be excited to.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
Come watch, show up to the games.

Speaker 1 (02:03:41):
People.

Speaker 8 (02:03:43):
I said, Look, I said I said it in my
opening press conference. I said it like we need the
city of Nashville and Titans fans like we need them.
We need the stadium to be a place that people
come to and are like, oh man, I don't want
to go play in Nashville. Like that's what we're looking for.
We need that environment. So all the fans, Titans fans
out there listening to come on, come on, man. We
need everybody on board, and hopefully you get in early

(02:04:07):
enough and you don't get accused of jumping on the
bandwagon when when things go right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
That's well, yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
All core of a Titans fan base out there for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
Every yeah, every franchise has there five percent like that
five percent crazy fan base, and the Titans five percent
is strong.

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
That's great.

Speaker 8 (02:04:25):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
It's they're crazy people in the best way possible.

Speaker 8 (02:04:29):
That's what you need. That's that's what makes the NFL
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
Ye Matt neely Man, Yeah, he was the one.

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
Yeah, dude, Thank you for coming on.

Speaker 8 (02:04:37):
This is awesome, This is fun.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
An hour forty with the head ball coach.

Speaker 8 (02:04:42):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
Bill listens.

Speaker 8 (02:04:45):
I can't promise you that I'll listen.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
Yeah, I hope he does. Just know that we might
have to say hey, will say you hope he listens
to that.

Speaker 8 (02:04:50):
I think we can probably make that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
Yeah, we do appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 2 (02:04:53):
We will be flying the Titans flag all season long.
I love on this bus. We'll be supporting you the
whole time. We appreciate you coming.

Speaker 8 (02:04:59):
Appreciate that from from you guys, and thanks for having
me on. Man, this is black.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Appreciate you enjoyed it. Subscribe brief I've starts. Big hugs,
Tenny kisses

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