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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guys, welcome into another episode of Busting with the Boys.
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April twenty third. We gotta talk about Lawan Easter Bash
twenty twenty five. We got the spring tour in Nebraska

(00:22):
coming up. We recap Michigan that happened before, and we
got some NFL Draft talk including Cam Moore, Shdarff Sanders,
Travis Hunter, all of those things. But the crem to
the krem, the spot you really want to stay for
is this Marcus Mario to interview. It is truly incredible,
breaking down all of the things that he's gone through,
both the highs and especially the lows of his career.

(00:42):
Times that he thought to himself, I don't know if
I want to play football anymore. We're going to see
somebody to fix what's going on up top. It is
for me a guy that was able to play with
him and see that stuff in real time. It was
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Speaker 2 (01:11):
All right, We're good.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You like.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Busting with the boys, Hanging with the fans.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Betting on the game.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:30):
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Speaker 4 (01:35):
We're here just drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Beer and making that over.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:50):
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Speaker 3 (02:27):
There are there are if you jump, I mean yeah,
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shout out the boy Chris he sent out in a
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Speaker 3 (04:01):
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Speaker 1 (04:04):
We probably will bet all thirty two. Put that in
the Parliament's the soul of those draft night, Yes, because
it is fun. Because for me, when I was watching
and when the Titans were doing relatively well, we were
picking that like eighteen to twenty four range, it was
like I'm kind of just watching the draft waiting for
my team to pick, and then once they would.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
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and to go off that. Like, you can go each
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Speaker 1 (04:37):
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Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, fun game.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Uh. Shout out Chrissy for that parlay. Also, Chrissy had
some information in that email that he said that does
piss you off a little bit. It's cam Ward's now
minus twenty thousand, gonna be the first overall pick for
the tenty times. Before this college football season he was
plus two thousand and just think to yourself, imagine if
you had a crystal ball. Imagine that's why we always
play these games. Would you rather When we had the

(05:01):
crazy questions back in the day from Mitch Carsley, like
where would you rather like see ten minutes in the future.
All this stuff. It's like, that's where you.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Play the game.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
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in the future, could you imagine gambling? Could you imagine
it wouldn't be gambling. You just watched the draft and
then like you know you that's so raving yourself into
the future. And then come back and you're like, okay, yeah,
take this person next Baccarat jack player, banker. I'll tell
you right now it's gonna be player. Just go on
this crazy run chop top top top top, top, top

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Speaker 3 (05:34):
Lost?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Bank?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
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sent the bet last week just got a spontaneous text, Hey,
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But right now, you know, if you're watching this and
you're in the dark, I'm also in the dark. Wile
you're with Kay Adams on a parlay, also made a

(05:59):
JJ Redick parlay. All my parlays lost.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
All of them. I did a parlay Friday. I was like,
let me just throw my hat in the ring with
this basketball. Not one hit, actually not one got close.
And then I took Houston and the Golden Knights, and
I'm like, I know who Steph Curry is. Let's get
him that Golden Knights, Golden I'm sorry, Golden Wars. I'm
a hockey right now, boys hockey. I'm all hockey right now, BA,

(06:22):
Golden State Warriors, whatever, Steph Curry, he hits five threes.
I knew that was lockstock and two smoking barrels.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, we hit that in the last couple of minutes.
He's fit three, well.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Should have washed. And then the Rockets they lose, and
then the the underhit and I bet the over, so one.

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(07:00):
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Speaker 1 (07:06):
Beautiful stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I am excited for the draft though, Yeah, I am too.
It's gonna be exciting. Like it's Mason Graham. You think
he's gonna go top five right now?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
There's couple, a couple yeah five, Yeah, I mean that
could happen. Tyler Booker, Will Johnson T Booker. Yes, if
there's any scouts out there that have the opportunity to
draft Tyler Booker, I don't think there's a better kid
out there. This kid's gonna play ten fifteen years in
the NFL. He's going to be strong, yeah thirty. Really,

(07:35):
the only thing holding back that kid is injuries. He
just has.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I no, no, I no, no, sorry.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
I do feel like I have a.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Sorry, a free one thousand dollars bet to put this
week to balance Shader because Delaney. The bet we have
with with Delaney right is insane yeah, what is it?
Top two rounds? Right, just got to go in the
top two rounds. I win thousand dollars from Delaney because
he was gonna fall out of the top two rounds.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
God love him, I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
So I'm gonna treat like I have like a freebiet. Yeah,
I got some free money to play on.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's a free money.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Go ahead, rip that up a little bit. I could
see him going top five. I could see you get
the Giants there, you got the Saints there at three
and four.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Raiders they're out of the top five. Raiders I think
are seven, I believe, and Saints are what nine? No?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
No, no, no, I don't know what was the thing
we were just looking at before we came in.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
You're talking about all the different three is the Giants? Yeah,
Giants are three and there going like that because it
seems like Travis under is going to be a lot
of going to the Browns. Yeah, which giants are choosing
out of? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Here we go, here we go.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, Raiders are six.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Titans, Browns, Giants, Patriots, Jags, Raiders.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Who's that you build? The trends? Will Campbell out of
L L s U.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I don't well, I don't. I think if you're gonna
pick up four and you want to take a tackle,
you're to take that kid out of Texas. Yeah. He
I think he's the number I think he's clearly the
numb the number one tackle in this draft. Will Campbell,
he's been There's been some comments about his length of arms.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Is more of a guard the arm length.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
The arm length game. To me, it's the armlink game.
Is so ridiculous because I didn't have like overly long arms.
But it's all about using the length you have. It's
all about using the length you've got. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
you square. Yeah, but that's all good.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Ray would let me return because my arms were long
enough to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
He just he was doing that just because your name
was Will Compton. Yeah, treated you that way the way
should have. Sanders got his jersey retired.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
You know he did it because you're not your point
he is. He is like a tangible.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
He loves the length, loves the length, loves because yeah,
Rabel's built like ananderthal like his He's a knuckle dragger
like his. His arms literally goal past his knees. He's
built to play football.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
What'd you think of the should get his number retired
at Colorado.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I don't ever want to hate on that because it
is like I think of myself if like Michigan doesn't
really retire numbers, but if they ever were like, hey,
we're putting you in our Hall of Fame. I don't
even know if they have a Hall of Fame. I
would just be so grateful and so proud of that.
And to see cha dur It's like, Okay, he wasn't
an All American. He was Big twelve Offensive Player of
the Year or All Big twelve something like that, like,

(10:12):
which is great, but like a lot of everybody has that.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, so there is there's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
There is the nepotism, there is the bias that goes
involved in But I'm happy for him because it's.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Like that is cool. Now.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Whether he deserved it or not, I don't know. Man,
Hopefully he has an incredible NFL career and then we
all look back on it, similar to the way Michigan
looks at Tom Brady, where Tom Brady and he didn't
have like a Hall of Fame college career, but then
he goes to the NFL and he's the greatest player.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Of all time.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, so there's still an opportunity. His story is unwritten. Dude,
who sings that song? The rest is still unwritten.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I thought it was daring at the blank. I did
think uh Dion dropped a jim when he was talking
to the to the press and talking about Rashaan Salam,
Like how long did it take for him to get
his number retired? Yeah, and it was like what twenty
something years? Well how long after he died? And it
was like within one year, And he's like he enjoys
guys smelling the flowers. Like my only issue with the

(11:05):
Hall of Fame retiring jerseys because Travis Hunter, like that's
a shoe in. Yeah, but it's like, you know, there
should be like a like a protocol, whether it's you know,
in the Hall of Fame you have to be five years,
you have to be five years before you get eligible.
Like if they had standards like that, I think it
would land a lot softer because he's getting them getting
their jersey retired and getting in the Hall of Fame

(11:26):
like within months after playing. I think it's in obviously
the last name being Sanders. Yeah, do what school semester
is not even over? Yeah? Yeah, very sick for the
for Travis and Shader, like you know, going going aget
on the field and getting your number retired and getting
your name written up there so quick. But also it's like,
you know, there seems to be like no parameters because
they have how many guys retired overall? Six total, And

(11:48):
there's been some great players that come out of Colorado,
especially in the early nineties when they were a very
damn good football team. Day bo.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, I mean using a fourth or fifth round pick,
you use like a lower round. So he's kind of
in that similar I mean, it's weird to put him
in the same category as Tom Brady, but like they
don't have the college careers, but they had the NFL career. Yeah,
is what I'm basically trying to say. Because back, Yeah,
Bach was a stud man. He signed multiple massive contracts,
multiple All pros. Like, dude was a fucking stud looks
fantastic too. Yeah, saw him this weekend at Easter.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Just when when you look at the top ten quarterbacks
to play at Colorado, there's maybe one name that you
truly like recognize from an NFL standpoint, and it would
be Cordella Stewart.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
But that's about it. Number two, Darien Hagen, sal On
the c Koy Detmer, Joel Klatt, shout out Joel Klatt,
Bob Anderson, Stefo Leoffo, John Hessler, all these guys, And
I'm like, yeah, it makes sense. Suder Is probably was
the best, yeah college quarterback of them all except.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
For I think the second one. You said he was
one that was playing around ninety like in the he
had a really good career. Yeah, Colorado. How does Nebraska's
Hall of Fame work? I think you have to be
before you become eligible. I want to say it's like
a there's like a waiting period maybe five years.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, so you're eligible.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, i'd be eligible. I would getting in the what
do you mean the Nebraska Hall of Fame?

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, I get I was on the jump.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
So you can get put in the Hall of Fame
for things other than football. Do what you can put
in the Hall of Fame for things about impact? Yeah,
and you're impacting the game, you're making. This is not
truly Please stick with me here. Okay, you're making you're
making more of an impact now than when you play.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, I would agree with Okay, I don't take that
that could have gone. You just never know what mean
you're you're a good compliment.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yes, okay, I meant it as a compliment. I just
didn't want to get that, you know, the blurred lines,
the grays. I wanted that to happen between us, right,
So make it a bigger impact. Maybe it's timfortable content.
Maybe this weekend they surprise you because we'll be in Nebraska.
Boys will be at the draft starting. There's a new
thing called the two minute drill. That'll be exciting. Got
ourselves an interview or two lined up head over that.

(14:05):
I'm coming back. I gotta come back. I got some
dad stuff to do Friday for my kids. They got
a little play, and I'm back over here. And then
I'm off the Nebraska to see the boys. Watch people
just shower. We'll compton. The love glaze everywhere, dude. Just
the gift of all the hot dogs sitting that woman
in the face that's will confident every time we go
to Lincoln. Dude, it is incredible how much love this
man gets. But the Spring tour, let's just talk about

(14:26):
the Spring tour for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
It's been awesome.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Has this been the most fun spring we've ever had
at bust with the boys.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, this has to be the playbook we use with
other schools going in the next year forever and always. Yeah,
especially with Oregon, Like Michigan was an awesome one. But again,
that was the week of the spring game, right, so
they're a little lighter.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Their scheduling was a little different, so we didn't have
the opportunity to work out with the team. However, the
strength staff baptized us. Oh yeah, they baptized us. And
I'm thinking of myself. I might have a bar in
my back. My knee's gonna be killing me. I'm gonna
be benching a whole lot of weight. Whatever it is,
it was all functional stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
My back's in hell.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Currently hell that whole entire workout.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what it is, specifically,
but something I have got to get my back corrected, man,
And it's bothered me mentally. Like You's like like I'm
sick and tired of being sick and tired of my back.
Like I have to fix it.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Some's gotta's got you, or you're gonna break the back.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, Like I feel the sneeze coming on, and I'm
like I'm scared. I'm hearing. Yeah, what position do I
get into to where I feel the lightest impact because
it's like a sharp pain that just goes through my
like L four and five on my right side, and
it fucking bothers me. Man.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, can I tell you what the biggest surprise to
me was for myself in the Spring tour so far? Yeah,
go ahead, When we were in Oregon and that kid
came up to me and asked me for some help
when we did some core stuff. First off, I had
no idea the clip that's on YouTube right now at
beginning as much love as it is, but there I understand.
Similar to when I watch the Masters, I understand golf. Now,

(15:58):
I understand why guys coach Because seeing this kid come
up and want some information and me being able to
give him something that I hope he takes with him
and runs with him, that was a very special moment
for me, and I loved it. I loved it when
guys came up and they're like ultimately curious about my
process and how I handled things, and it was it
was fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, man, it was great. You see why coaches do
what they do. But I mean think of yourself as
like that young kid. You got a three time pro
bowler coming in, Like you want to pick their brain.
You're trying to figure out what questions to ask. Ky
he's working out with us right now, Like let me,
you know, let me get out in front of the
boys and pull them aside.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, and he was. He's way more open and curious
than I was at his age. He's a freshman. Yeah,
he's a freshman, just got there. He was early in
Roly from Florida, and uh yeah, I mean I remember
being a freshman and there would be some guys that
would come in. I can't remember his name. He was
literally at Michigan when we were there, but he played tackle.
He was from Georgia, went to Michigan. He was played

(16:54):
for the Detroit Lions for ten years. He would come
in all the time, kind of do rehabing stuff like
that in ann Arbor, and I always wanted to pick
his brain, but never did. Jake Long will be around
once in a while. He was always around, but I
never picked his brain because I was just kind of
like more in awe than I was, like I'm gonna
try to get something out of them. Yeah, I think
I tried to be a friend more than I tried
to be like a mentee. Yeah, and so to me,

(17:15):
it was just super cool that these guys are are curious,
Like Michigan was very similar, but Oregon, I would say
more that offensive line group were like very interested in
my process how I went about things and were always
much more vocal in the meeting rooms of Michigan because
the coaches were asking me questions. But it was it
was awesome to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, mine was a Barrett Rude. Bart Rude would come around,
he'd like work out with the team in the offseason,
and he like taught me how to watch film, taught
me about his process, how he breaks down, how he
compartmentalizes it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. So that was like
getting to see that. It like reminds it just as
you as a player, as a young player and wanting
to get knowledge from these guys because Barrett Rude was

(17:54):
a stud at Nebraska and in the league. But yeah,
it's cool to think.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
About of any linebacker and any offensive tackle, who would
you guys want to spend the day with while you
were playing. Who was the one guy you would want
to be.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I want to be or want to spend time with him, spend.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Way to learn from ray Lewis. I'll say, like, anytime
I was driving a workouts in the morning, I always
had like ray Lewis speeches on. I got to see
him speak one time, but I'd say, ray Lewis, I mean,
dude did it at the highest level for all of
what sixteen seventeen years. He was like the baddest man
on the football field. God don't make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, yeah, That's a really difficult question for me because
the person I looked up to the most was Jake Long.
Jake Long's career, I mean, he ended up getting a
lot of injuries in the NFL, so it was very
difficult for him to like show off how much talenty
actually had me. The guy was, he made three Pro
Bowls in a row in his first three years. He
is an insane talent that was only plagued by He's
a Hall of Fame guy that was just injured a bunch.

(18:53):
But we were much different play styles. Like I was
more bendy and probably a little more more athletic. He
was strong and understood technique a little bit better. I
think if I was gonna spend time with a guy
and I would honestly want to ask you about that before.
Its probably Trent Williams, because we did. We were we
were like similar in a lot of ways of like
how we decided to play. He was much stronger, much

(19:14):
more powerful, but from a movement standpoint, very similar.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's interesting too here and you talk about like technique
and everything else, Like I feel like Ray would always
talk about the game so much like I was always
gravitating towards a guy, so you'd see on film, like
on YouTube whatever it is, and kind of talking about
the game with Ed Reid because I was just so interested,
like how do these motherfuckers like break the game down
at such a level to where you know, you technique
and all that stuff's part of it. But I don't

(19:38):
think technique wise for a linebacker is as involved as
like say an offensive tackle.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, it seems like you guys are you guys are
seeing what the formation is, what the motion is, and
basically playing like process of a nation of what this
play could possibly be.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
And it's reading and reacting.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, we do a lot of red reacting post snap.
But like for me, I was always under the thought
process that if I if I lose, it's because I
did something wrong, not because they did something right. Like
people can have great rushes and do a bunch of
amazing things. But like if my feet are correct, if
my hands are corrected, my angles correct, I can't I
cannot lose. And so when I hear when I like
a couple of weeks ago, we had Luke Keiegley on

(20:14):
if you guys are watching for the first time, you
can go watch that incredible episode you guys listen to
you guys breakdown film. For me, it was just identifying,
you know, the coaches would give me hey when they're
in this formation, the safety is over this way, look
for this blitzep, what's whatever? So you knew when there
was like movement going on. But it was really just identifying,
what's this guy's fastball. And then now I'm evaluating to myself, Okay,

(20:34):
is his best against my best because I'll take my best,
but if it highlights one of my weaknesses, okay, I
need to now equalize the playing field of being like
I need to get him off his game. So if
it's a power guy, I was always concerned about power
because it's like, you know, I was fast and twitchy.
When it came to like just you know, sitting on
a bolt, that was my most difficult thing. So I
need to jump this guy and set up different angles.

(20:56):
So now mentally we're both playing this game of who's
confidence is higher in moments. So if I can jump
this guy a couple of times, set them differently, use
my hands differently, and winning those battles, I know mentally
his head's in a different spot than minus. Now my
confience is a little bit higher. So there was always
about finding that guy and seeing what he was best
at and taking that away first. And with the film stuff,

(21:18):
it was like linebackers essentially handle things the same. If
they're fast, twitchy guys, they're going to try to up
and under you. They're big, powerful guys, Like fucking buckle
your chin strap and get ready to get hit under
the chin, keep your feet moving, and so I never
was like a student of the game that way. It
was always just like identifying the individual battles. Yeah, yeah,
but it's awesome to listen to you guys talk about it,

(21:40):
just talking about coverages and him like peeling off of
cover two and all that and listening the way you're
breaking down it. It's like it's such a part of
the game that maybe I didn't do as much, So
it's just fun to listen to.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, it's like as a back or too, like you're
always trying to identify, like how is the offense trying
to beat you? And like when Luke's in there talking
like which offensive lineman is going to be blocking you
because you've if you can, you want to have every
angle or be the fastest to the first step because
when you're going into the line of scrimmage, like you
guys are much bigger than us, so you're always trying
to like find those edges of when emotion's happening, when

(22:11):
a formation is going on, always trying to figure out,
like how an offense is trying to beat you so
you can have the faster first step and just listen
to Luke and even off Ray Lewis, Like I went
and spent time with London. Fletcher and London talked about
the game in such a way I remember when I
was a rookie in London had the keys to do
whatever you want, like if you wanted to check out
of at defense, similar to what Thomas Davis and Luke
Keickley were doing, Like havevn't the coaching staff have that

(22:32):
much confidence in you that you were seeing the game
good enough that it's like, hey, if he sees something,
he's checking something, let him do it. Like I was
always fascinated with, like how do you get there? Like
when I was in a cold tub and I'll be
asking London, like why you checking? Uh, why you checking
in a cover two? In these situations, but like trying
it's like always the game within the game and trying
to be one step ahead on how offense is trying
to beat you because they know what they're running and

(22:54):
you're just having to You're trying to put yourself in
the best precision position to like have the quickest first
step and beat them to a spot. Yeah, So I
always I always love that stuff, And I feel like
Ray always had a lot of things on YouTube to
at least would you would hear him talking about it.
So when Barrett would come in and talk about playing
the linebacker position and talking about breaking down film study
and everything else, I was just always so fascinated because

(23:15):
in the weight room, you're always gonna be trying to
chase those edges to get the one percent better, whether
in speed, jumping, quickness, body, your physicality like lish five pounds. Yeah,
but like what are the what are those little things
that can kind of give you a step up, like
when you're on the field to where you're kind of
anticipating everything versus just reacting to it.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, it's so interesting. You ever see on like Instagram
when there's like someone did a drawing and they started
zooming out and then all of a sudden that drawings
instead of a cat's eye, and it's a kind of
a universe. It's like, yeah, insane, the amount of depth
and levels.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I was talking to my dad after the Easter party,
after the Want Easter Bash twenty twenty five just about
basically the conversation we're having now and how many different
levels there are. Like there's twenty two guys in the
field at one time, and if you sit there as
an offense, like I can understand the concept of what's
happening here. I know the backs track, I know relatively
if this is a longer route, shorter, intermedia, whatever whatever

(24:07):
it is, and then you go into a little bit Okay,
what's the offensive line doing here? And then you can
zoom in a little bit more about Okay, what's the
center's job here, and then the tackles, and you start
to realize all the little games of chess that are
happening while eleven guys are trying to do the same
thing to help each other. And that is why football
really is the best, because it is there's so many
levels to this ship. It's just crazy. It's it's awesomely

(24:30):
not even thinking about the defensive side, like everyone's also
doing their eleven things. You know, if this guy goes
inside and does this, you have to cover this gap.
It's just it's fucking awesome. And so like going into
these these schools and being able to do what we
were doing is just great. I mean, we talked about
it last week in Oregon.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
But like yeah, yeah, and if you haven't watched that vlog, it's.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
One of our favorites we've ever done that. Michigan was
great too. I think the only thing that gotten the
way with us with Michigan was their scheduling. They had
the spring game coming up, so these guys are kind
of like loaded on the back. Oregon was very much
Jake still in their process of like you know, implementing
like installation, doing the workouts, all that stuff. We got there,

(25:11):
what was it Tuesday last week?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, we got there Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
The other Tuesday their spring game Saturday, so their last
like it was kind of their last real practice before
they split up into their Mazing Blue groups, and it
was just it was a little bit different. But the access.
I was impressed with the access because Oregon really opened
it up to where we walked away and I looked
at the boys. I was like, I don't know if
Michigan's gonna give us this, Like that was insane amount

(25:37):
of access. It was awesome. Lanning is an absolute homemade
But I mean even after practice at Michigan, like it's
you me ab off the boys Sean, We're all just
basically telling terrible stories about me the whole time. Top
five Top five isn't that crazy, bur It doesn't.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
It doesn't like so top five, JP explained the.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Top top five. Dave Alof has been at Michigan for
how long.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Like twenty five plus years.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
He's essentially the director of media relations, So anything that
goes down with Michigan, he's the guy that gets reached
out to and he has to handle it. So we
were asking him or I don't even know if we
ask Dave.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
David a couple of times like made a couple like
comments like I thought I'd be done worrying about Taylor.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
He keeps saying the gift that keeps on GI.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, he would keep making those types of comments, which,
like you do you laugh at but I'm thinking to myself, like, bro,
I won I won that bad it was? You know,
there's a couple of instances and.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Those exchanges get us spark to ask Dave, like, so
where's Taylor?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
So after practice problem, Joe all singing a circle and
it's like us plcorn, Searon Moore and Dave and I
don't know who was it you who asked the question?
I might have yeah, but I should say we'll ask
a question like how bad was Taylor? And then he goes,
I mean you guys, I don't feel like talk about myself.
Like yeah, he says, I was saying.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
We were up by Coach Moore's office when it came out. Maybe,
JP as like, where's Taylor rank?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Maybe? And basically Dave was like he's probably top five?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, top five?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
What what?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
What? And then the very first there was already two
different versions of it where Taylor thought one thing happened
and they which one was. He was like, oh, Arizona,
the Arizona BWL, he's.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Where the bus left him.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well do you remember this?

Speaker 1 (27:23):
The bus did leave me? And I think he bet
the need of that.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
No, well, he goes, well, do you remember how that
trip started?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I actually, you know what, it's crazy he brought that
up and I did not remember that. We can we
can talk about like that's all. That's all news, Like.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, this was your brother's fault.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
No, I still blame the kid. These dudes were twenty
nine years old. This is the old my eighteen year
old brother. So I came in and yeah, I hit
the kid. I did what people says I did my
senior year after the House State game, and.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
They didn't hear about it.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
They didn't hear about it. Obviously, me being dumb and
twenty one years old, I'm like, I'm not going to
tell them this happened. Yeah, and then we land in Arizona,
and I guess Dave Abloff's phone starts going off like
the headline, Yeah, the headlines tale of one hit this
Ohio State fan after the House State game, which we
did lose forty two forty one. That was like the
most painful loss of all time.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
He said, they sat you, they brought you, Taylor saying
he didn't.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Do I didn't.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I said my brother did it at first video on him. Yeah,
and I ended up telling the truth. Yeah, but they
did leave me after the Buffalo while they left me
after that. But some of the stories, man, and then
as we're sitting there in al Glick Fieldhouse and then
like story after story is happening, I'm having to explain
the story. I'm thinking to myself, goddamn, maybe I am

(28:38):
top five. Maybe I really was top.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
By the story diabolical.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I love thebolicle.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I loved Blake's reaction to hearing all the stories because
he's like smiling and kind of just in awe of
like kind of like, how did the heck did.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
You do this?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
While yeah, yeah he said three times while y'all were
just talking like off the back. He's like top five.
I like that because you know, Blake was probably number
one easiest.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
The freshman year dorms with Craig Row was probably is
the worst one.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't get anyway, you.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Know, it's weirdest, like, I didn't think it was that bad.
I didn't think it was that bad that I'm telling
that story. I'm thinking, oh my.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
God, I turned the camera off. Did you really? Yeah,
like we I we don't need to put this out
there for Taylor.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
That is what great times though, that's hey high production,
production maintenance was there? I guess yeah, yeah, I made
the most.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Those were great. I also love Will and Blake Korham's rivalry.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
That they have.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
It's also like four zero Blake, So it really is, man,
it really is.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
And you see it's on me. He's up on me
so high. I have to just walk by him on
the sideline shoulder him. I feel like that's a dub,
Like yeah, yeah, nothing dude.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
And then yeah, I mean you kind of didn't want
to do a one on one against him either.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
It wasn't that I didn't want to do a one
on one against Blake. It truly wasn't that. You heard
me talking about my back just a few minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Right, and I know you're feeling fine at this time,
but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I wasn't feeling fine on the field. I was like, bro,
I'll have to do a full warm because we were
staying Like at Oregon, it was hey, the next morning,
you know, get the body right, I'm like ready to
go because it's early in practice. It's early enough in practice.
This one, we were there all day long, like we
fly out early in the morning, we're doing that workout,
which by the way, they they absolutely crushed us send
that workout. With my shoulders, I felt like I had

(30:27):
a chess cold after the time for going to tear.
And then we're standing at practice all day long, like
we were out there on the field for what three
four hours?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah before it's like hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Think about the pre practice, I like an hour before
practice started, right, and so it's just you feel the
swelling coming on. Like I would have had to do
an entire like program just to get ready for this
one on one.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
But but the practice was two hours. An hour in.
I did come up to you and I was like, hey,
we should get ready for you to do the thing.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
There's about thirty or forty minutes. But when had your
home what was going on? Though they were playing, they
were doing the move the ball situation. I did want
to see Bryce Underwood like play Yeah, like he was
going out there and he looked insane. Yeah he was.
And then you guys are you guys talking about Nebraska
and they're talking he was moving the balls five for five, Like, yeah,

(31:19):
he was moving the ball, getting the ball out so fast.
And I'm like, he does look nice and a little nervous.
And then he throws his pick to shut out Nico.
He throws a pick to the safety. Then right when
he throws a pick, right after they were talking, Hey,
you guys are saying something about the Yeah, it's just
perfect time. Yeah, but he was.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
He was lighting it up. And there was a couple
of times he had like a like a zone read
type of situation. He should have pulled it because and
crashed inside and you see him like kind of doing
the chest thing. We were basically doing the same thing
that Bryce under. What is we did at the Colorado
Nebraska game with Dylan Royola, like helping up his offensive lineman. Yeah,
he's doing the thing. He's taking a knee in the huddle,
he's looking around while you just see this guy. This

(31:57):
guy's confidence is insane. And then he as the status
and everyone's like this kid struggles in the spring game
It's like, dude.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I did see I did see that. Like you know,
I guess game game reps are a little bit different
than practice.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Spring game bro, Like they probably just like, hey, go
there he threw another peak. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, eighty
eight yards. There was a Instagram post I don't know
which one. It was one of the football college football ones.
They're like, you know, number one overall recruit struggles in
spring game? Is Michigan gonna have more quarterback woes this
upcoming season? Most light comment was Bryce Underwoods and it's

(32:30):
just a bunch of cry laughy faces like that, And
I'm just I'm I'm in a parking lot of target
just like this motherfucker's got the confidence.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Articles got a.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Point, y'all do y'all should clear y'all should clear the
air though, because Bryce was getting a lot of hate
for the photo we put up.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
What was that was crazy?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
What was your first reactions when you saw him?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Special?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, specimen, Oh that's he looks like a leaner Cam
Newton like he is, I mean, Cam was.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
People are talking about his gut that it's the most
it's one of the more athletic looking guts that you
will find like, the Internet's reaction to this photo was
blowing my mind because I'm like, and people are really
seeing it that way? Yeah, because he is he's all
of sixty six. I don't know how much he weighs,
but the dude, he's seventeen years old, seventeen and seeing him,

(33:18):
I know it's a very small thing, but seeing him
one hand those one hand those footballs, bro, I mean,
dudes are chucking at like thirty yards and he's just
snatching the wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
The ball was coming to unions. I don't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, I'm filming and the ball is like coming in
kind of hot. He's like, don't even worry about it.
And then I'm like, I'm gonna worry about it. Yeah,
and I like, get out the way he just plucks
it out of the air. Looks it he lost Chris Bryant.
Chris was just like walking towards us back to the ball.
And this is like in the far left of my
camera frame where I was filming somebody else and this
is just going on on the side and Bryce jumps up,

(33:52):
reaches over with his right hand, comes back over one hand.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm like, yeah, dude, this guy I'll tell you what
I'm saying. Man, if he's a baller on Saturday's, like
the offense will be extremely fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You'll say this, If he's not on Saturdays, it's not
because of him, it's because of whatever scheme they have
around him. Because he's athletic enough. You have got to
be able to move the ball.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
That is.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's a that's a fantastic point because college football, that
amount of athleticism you can Johnny Manziel right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Away at Auburn, I was they were always winning like
ten games. Guy could not throw the ball to save
his life. But that offense was schemed up so well
around him. Yeah, and it's like Bryce is a lot
better than Nick Martin.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
What really impresses me about this kid he is? I mean,
he was the first guy out there. He was the
first guy taking snaps, throwing the ball. He was working
thirty minutes before practice even started. His dad's at practice,
his first off. The dad, him and his sister all
they look the exact same. They looked the exact same.
I'm like talking to the dad and the sisters like
fake dribbling in the back, like dunking on her dad

(34:51):
the whole time. But I'm like, hey, like you know,
we're talking about his work ethic and he's like, we
brought up the money, and his dad's like he has
always said he wants to afford opportunity to work, and
he's like the money is just more of an opportunity
to get work. And he's like, last night he was
at this one place with a private quarterback coach from
eleven to one. He woke up at seven, did X.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Y and Z. He's like just coaching staff talks about
him being in the film room for hours.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
And towers and so sounds like this kid's it sounds
as even as a Michigan fan, it sounds too good
to be true, Like what's.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
This this kid?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
They're saying all the right things, he's doing all the
right stuff, and it's just like, hell can he do?

Speaker 3 (35:29):
I mean, he's got to come see us in Lincoln.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
I don't know if y'all saw you there, Well, we'll see.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
He gifted his high school like coo yes, or like
a brand new car, which I mean, if you're a
seventeen year old, gift in like your security guard from
your high school car.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Kids got a good head on his shoulders.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
And they were saying he was in the facility too,
like three am the day before and then came back
to three Yeah, and then then came back at seven am.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
So when we were doing when we were doing the
crossbar challenge, he's like, we were talking about the workout,
we were doing harm kind of hert and he's like, yeah,
I got mine at five am. I'm thinking, all right,
it's a weird flag like to say on us, But yeah,
that's impressive, Jack. How did that make you feel seeing
somebody get gifted a truck?

Speaker 6 (36:10):
This feels nasty now, I mean, yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
It's cool to see a guy who cares about as people,
you know, yeah, seventeen, you know, just grinding it out, man.

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Speaker 1 (37:00):
Nico, Nico found a home.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You happy for him?

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Who?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
You see that video that Tennessee fan walking in Trick
fil A and he's like, no Polynesian sauce. That is
funny as hell.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
Yeah, he's back. I mean, he's back home. He's back
in California. I mean, it's the comical at least.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
To say that he goes from a state with zero
state income tax to the state with potentially the highest
state income tax, making less money, going to a college
with less talent, way worse offense.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
But good luck, good luck. I know, fired the boy
up right there, fired him up.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
He is in the Big ten. We got to see
him this year. Could say, no matter what, he is
a hell of a player, hell of a player. But
I mean this next movie makes it's all ball from
this point on, He's got to right some wrongs. And
not that it wasn't all ball. I'm just the magnifying
glass that will now beyond him since he this situation
is kind of going to be the example of college
football when he does be come draft eligible, like this

(38:01):
will be something that's peeled apart and picked apart. So
wherever he is now or being at U c. L A,
now you hope that it's all it's all ball from
this point on because he's got to know that that
magnifying glass is gonna be.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Oh yeah, it's gonna be all eyes on him. But yeah,
it'll be exciting to watch, especially those first few games.
Tennessee fans are going to be tuned in.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
What's Tennessee gonna do a quarterback? We're so fairing out.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
We got two guys right now on the roster.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
No one's been contacted as of right now for anyone
coming in, but we'll see.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
It's scary.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I mean it's yeah, because I mean he is like Nico.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, he looks apart, He looks apart, and he looks.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, you don't think such ap I know you got
I got, I know you got your cat out of
South Carolina. But you see Nico, like he can throw
the ball around, when he puts his foot in the ground,
he can run so I saw U c l A,
like I've had all the takes on NCO and then
I'm thinking, oh, yeah, we got to play u c
l A this year.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
And there's a home game. It's different playing in Lincoln, Man, Lincoln,
do we really?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I thought we go to u c l A. U
c l A beat US at when we were in
Memorial last year. Yeah, usc USC will be at home.
We need that home crowd. Yeah, Like U c l
A got better getting Nico on board. Yeah, we'll figure
it out. Yeah, yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
He used to be all right Yeahola.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah we got a squad. We don't got just Riola,
Like we got a squad. Conch rule coach. You know,
I was watching the local presser last week. He's like
he's been waiting for a team like this. Oh yeah
yeah he got me right. It got me hype.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Saturday, we'll be there. Do you have any idea what
to expect from the spring game because it's not really
a spring game?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
No? No, So I think they've pivoted a little bit
now that the n C double A has put in
that new rule. If you can only carry like one
O five on the roster, he'll be doing something and
Michigan was kind of doing it too, but to where
a lot of those guys will be bubble guys are
trying to like earn their way into training camp, so
they will be having like a scrimmage for like guys
to show talent and have film to send out everywhere
else because they're, you know, they're cutting down to the

(40:05):
one oh five, so guys are gonna have to like
make rosters. So he's kind of treating it like they
only have three in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, four third
preseason game. Yeah, Yeah, but no, I don't know what
to expect. I'm sure they'll have elements of both to
where they'll have a scrimmage, but I have no.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Clue what to expect Team captain.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, but even this, I don't even know if that's
going down anymore, just because they they kind of pivoted
early last year.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, they're changing it.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, they're changing the layout a little bit.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Haw Boys is gonna be a fun time in Lincoln
Stars versus the Legends. Well, it sounds like they're not
doing that, or they might not be.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Just what they were doing now, they were gonna do something,
and I don't even know what was gonna take place
with the Stars versus Legends thing. But just off last week,
like I haven't had much communication with Nebraska on what
exactly is going down this weekend.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
What year is that right there?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Freshman year in the background.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, I see him giving you a little flowers too.
Yeah come on now, Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Played a crucial role in get Neck out of Tennis
out of Tennessee to Nebraska. It was, you know, he
just happened to be at Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Disgusting, especially person that you have influence in this college
football world like that, because that's cool.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
Is a hell of a special teams coach.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Another thing from spring tour that I've noticed is how
important special teams coaches are, like the enthusiasm that needs
to be in the room to keep guys involved in
what's going on. Because we sat in a couple of
rooms and it was like, I've never really been in
special teams meetings.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, I'm I leading over.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
To Will at one point about this ship is fucking boring.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Like yeah, you run down?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, I mean yet you run down, you got a lane,
like stay in that lane?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, yeah, take it. We've only been to a couple
of schools people can figure out.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
No, no, but there's no an ex enthusiasm that he has.
I'm sure his his rooms are the entire time a recruiter. Yeah.
I wasn't taken away from that. Yeah, I could see
how that was bad. Listen, I was bored because this
ship just seemed like he just run down the field.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah. I mean there's it's like there's more. It's more
drill essential stuff than it is like ext on special time.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I feel like it's such an unutilized part of the game.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Just part of the game matters.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, it matters a lot. Yeah, but the third or
third or third thing is a little crazy.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah it is. Uh, it is cool though. I saw
that interview that Act did and I that is I
was his very first recruit, which is awesome. Yeah, he
would like give me an envelope and I'll be I
thinking in my head like, oh, snow was about to happen.
I'd open it up and it'd be like a stick
of gum with another that said, there's more where that
came from.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
That's what told you.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, that is funny.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, exce the man, though, it seems like.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
This is gonna be a fun Week. Anytime you go
to Nebraska, man, they treat you right, treat you right
out there. Are you guys still Adidas?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I think so?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, Thedas has been up and up though. JP knows
what I'm talking about. Best shoes in the game. He
won't have to trade his shoes out there. He's gonna
be leveling up out there.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
What else we got boys?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Tians taking cam Ward?

Speaker 4 (43:21):
NBA?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
What?

Speaker 7 (43:22):
What?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
What guy in the draft? Do you think we'll have
the best NFL career in the early prediction for it
cam Ward?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. Tyler Booker, Yeah,
it's it's tough because it's like, like book we got
to be around him, so you kind of know his
mental you kind of know his approach of the game
and not just the game but off the field, and
we know it's it's like guys like that who are
gonna last last the longest?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah? Yeah, and he understands like the fans.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I'm excited to see Tyler Warren in the NFL. I
think he's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
At Penn State.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
He seems like he can't do it all.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, he can. You got a there's you guys got
a cat on a Michigan right Love Cortland.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Oh yeah, Colson Loveland. Yeah, he is a stud. That's
a guy good. His draft stock probably fell a little
bit because the quarterback play was below par last year.
We actually had quarterback turned off. We just handed the
ball for twelve games. But he's a cat that can
he can block, he can run routes, he's he's a
guy that he's a matchup nightmare. Yeah, my workout for
him in the long run, for sure.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I'm excited to watch Travis Hunter's career. Yeah, dude, that'd
be interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
This was the first weekend I saw like the Travis
Hunter effect on the youth. There was this kid. We
were at this little easter thing on Sunday and he
put on his Travis Hunter jersey and they're playing football
in the backyard and he was switching between offense and
defense and he would line up and he would go
offense mode and then he would switch back and he
would go defense mode and do his thing. So I'm

(44:51):
like that that's pretty cool because for us, it's like, yeah,
we were growing up. It's only like, oh, I'm Randy
Moss or yeah, whoever, when now they can just beat
Travis Hunter everywhere.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
And he is trying to play both positions at the
next level, right, I think I don't want to miss quote,
but I think he said he won't play football if
you can't play both ways. Yeah, which is wild.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
I'm excited to see it twenty game. I mean, it
hasn't been done. Like in my brain, I don't see
how it works out. Like, just imagine the week you
have invested in one position at the next level and
think of yourself, you know, both sides of the ball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Could you imagine being in the NFL and stepping off
the sideline and then not stepping back on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Your bank is just special teams.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, oh, punts on, I'll get off for one play.
You get this water real quick.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I wonder if, like, because Cam Newton was breaking it
down on Cam Newton was breaking it down on his pott.
He's like, imagine if you're like you're you're on the
Dolphins and in practice it's like you're covering Tyreek Hill
and then the next period you're stepping to the other
side and Jalen Ramsey's covering you. Yeah, in the physicality
at the next level, just all of it, the mental,
the physical, everything interesting. I'm questioning is his gas tank?

(46:00):
I'm more so just questioning, like it will be insane
if he gets that done. Yeah, I can imagine, Bro,
I know it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I think to myself, like what about when he gets older, Like, well, no,
will he was not going to one and just staying
with one position the whole time because there's more longevity
in that. Yeah, you got to think four years from now,
there's twenty snaps a game.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
That it can't be for the organization. You got to
be fired up, like using it out in his rookie deal. Yeah,
but longevity purposes, Like for the individual, it's almost like
I don't see how that's sustainable.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
But imagine he plays ten years.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Do you think you that we would ever see? Because
as the quarterbacks get more and more athletic, a quarterback,
my dream scenario will be a quarterback playing both ways
in the NFL, like quarterback playing quarterback and safety nor no, Bro,
never it's already halfened Taysom Hill.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
There's too much involved in like the quarterback position, like
if you get should or not Sul Travis, I would
see him being predominantly like a corner and then in
the situation where he just has packages on offense, yeah,
but more Charles Yeah yeah, but obviously like more invested
on the offensive side, but you more so just have

(47:18):
packages and his main focus will probably be cornerback. You
can't because there's no way. There's just I mean, who knows,
though I'm not trying to sell him short, but I'm
just thinking, like, there's no way, like.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
The our brains cannot comprehend, yeah, being in it for
this many that many years and just being like imagining
how tired you are after camp and then being like wartime,
look at that guy, he just played everywhere.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah, so he is able to like actually play both ways.

Speaker 8 (47:44):
Do you think he's gonna demand an absurd amount of
money because hey, I'm a lockdown corner and I'm also
wide receiver number.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
But if he's a lockdown corner and a wide receiver one,
he should get a billion dollar contract.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Quarterback.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Higher than.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yes, on track, you just got to hope, like he
can keep it up for four years until he gets
a new contract. It's like, yeah, Travis Hunter signs one
billion dollar deal and then I mean that would be
mind blowing. Yeah, yeah, five hundred million games.

Speaker 8 (48:14):
And different clauses and everything. And if you get hurt
playing this playing defense, you're only making this much. Or
if you get hurt playing offense, you're only gonna make
this munch contrac That contract would be like so interesting
to read.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Crazy man, he created a different market.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I hope he does it. I would love I would
love to witness that a dude that plays in the
NFL at the highest possible level you can play and
plays both ways in his dominant.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Like first three games a rat technically, could he be
a Would he be like a two time Pro Bowl
selection in one year?

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Could be? Yeah, it would be so sick.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah, just double everyone's numbers.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
That would be insane.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Plays plays eight years, is a sixteen time Pro bowler,
sixteen time All Pro.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I'm excited to see too, like, uh, this class performing
the league because everybody's kind of like shitting on it
being one of the weaker class classes. Yeah, yeah, so
I'm kind of hopeful that you know, they have like
a good a good selection of guys that just conquers
the league. And how he does he saw his letter.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
His letter, that was awesome. That was awesome, I pray
to God cam Ward is the guy for the Titans
for the next fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
How do you feel? What do you think?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I mean, he he's got the talent. He put up,
he put up records. He can he can move through
the pocket, he can make every single throw, he can
extend plays like. He's got the capability.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I know. I hope it works out for the for
the Titans organization.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, I hope it does.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Crazy. I just hope he has a mark A Marcus
Mariota situation. Three tuddies in the first half.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
The Nash will be set on fire. That first game,
I thought we were winning the Super Bowl that year.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
I was like, what's over?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
I get Yeah, it was No.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
One's number one pick, first, number two pick.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
A number two pick dismantled, number one murdered. It was crazy.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
Speaking of Marcus, Yeah, this this episode is this is
everything Mount busmore for me personally, I feel like it's
a Mount busmore.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
It is and you could I wish. The only thing
I wish about this podcast is that it was two
hours longer.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, he talked for days.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
You can't and he was we talked about I think
it was in the vlog, but If we would have
got Marcus a couple of years ago, the podcast wouldn't
have been as good. He was so open and vulnerable
about all the trials and tribulations, the ups, the downs.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
And a couple of years ago, just no one talking
to him in this interview, like where his head was at. Yeah,
this podcast is all time, man. God, it's one of
my favorites.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
There's not the Yeah. I love him, I love him.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, we've been trying to get him for his wife though.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I tell you what in the future.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
His wife is.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I can't wait for the tell all when it's over. Yeah,
when he's done in what eleven more years, wants to
play twenty years in the NFL. Yeah, dude, win up
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Speaker 3 (51:53):
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simple teas, short, whatever it is, right, just throw them
in the suitcase. You don't have to think about should
I wear this, should I wear that? Yeah, you just
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Speaker 1 (52:04):
One thing I noticed in my life is anytime I'm
around people that think they have money, it's the you know,
the gaudy brands, the big bowld they got the cscrylic
painting on top of them, and they got the watches
and stuff like that. Anytime I'm around a gentleman who
you know his bank account looks like a phone number,
it's a classic, plain looking tea. He's not there to
impress anybody because he's already inside knows I'm successful as fuck.

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Speaker 3 (52:47):
Should we hit shout out nofree shot on jump into it?
By the way, I just saw on Netflix's background this Wednesday.
Yeah tomorrow, Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Battle thank you? Yes, we always the last couple of
weeks you've been talking about we talking about it. I
I want to say, I have no ideas host are
we doing? How's everybody doing? This is battle camp?

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
This was such a fun experience, and so like this
time last year, I was just getting back from filming
this in Mexico, and I had no idea what to expect.
I had no idea, I had no idea what I
was doing the entire time. It was so much fun
to process. Like my agent calling me and being like, hey,
this company wants you to host a show, but you're
probably too busy for it. I'm like, well, what's the company?

(53:30):
They're like Netflix. I'm like, we should we should probably
take that fucking call. So I take the call with
these people, and then I make a joke about not
being able to read good and they like kind of
sent him in a blender a little bit. So, hey,
we got to make sure Taylor can do a script.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
What was it like basically the tryouts? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, I was you were I was nervous, So I
went I memorized the entire script and I did it
for him and told me I had it, and they
sent a host coach shout out Alita to my house
for three days, and we stood outside of my backyard
upon and she's like, all right, this is out. It's
gonna go. This's gonna happen. When you're going you're talking,
they'll just stop you and they'll move cameras and all
of sudden. So she was so great, like kind of

(54:09):
teaching me what was going to happen in the process.
And then I go down there. She's with me for
like two days or I could I think a day
and a half, and then she flew back to California
where she lives, and I remember just being alone. Like
four hundred people on set. Two hundred were straight out
of Mexico. The other two hundred were, you know, besides
the contestants of me, like all from like London, all
from Europe, and it's like me and like two other

(54:30):
Americans the whole the whole time, it was like it's
such a culture shock everything, but it was so much
fun to do. I had a blast. Like these people,
I wouldn't go me into it.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
So explain what battle Camp is too.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
So battle Camp is there's three teams and they're gonna
do this challenge. It's gonna be intense, Like there's like
these massive walls that they got to do this different
stuff on. There's some simpler ones, but these insane challenges.
Whichever team wins is immune from being eliminated. Then the
other two teams, whoever got third place, their name goes
on this wheel. The first team will then pick three

(55:05):
people from the other two teams to do punishments. Those
punishments could be like cold tough stuff, it could be
eating crazy things like it could be how many steps
you can do in an hour. Whoever does the best
is good. The other two they go on the wheel,
and then there's a camp wide vote to fill up
the other twelve slots. They vote on who they want
to go, and at night we do a wheel ceremony.

(55:26):
I spin the wheel, someone goes home, and all these
guys are competing shoe whoever the wheel lands on, whoever
it lands on. So there could be somebody with seven
their name on the wheel seven times and a person
on the wheel one time, and if it lands on them,
they're out of there. So it's a game of like popularity,
athleticism and chance, dude, and it is. It was cool.
It was interesting too, like being a part of this

(55:47):
because you're just in a football world your whole entire life.
Now you're being thrust it into like this reality TV
pop culture and so you do not know what to expect.
I will say this cast was awesome, Like they were
great to be around. There were so many moments where
were re arranging cameras and they're like it's kind of
just me staring at them, and eventually I'm like, let
me just talk to these people, you know, And so
like they were all awesome. This dude, Tony, who you

(56:09):
will see on the show.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
He is.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Hilarious. And this guy right here I would make fun
of him all the time, but he was one of
those guys you can kind of like punch on a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
And he was.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
He was great, but he kept coming on. He was
so curious about like the football world and all that.
He's like, you know, I played and I was like,
oh yeah, he's like high school. He got stiff hips
and we were just going back and forth. This kid
was great. He was awesome.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
But the show.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I had a lot of fun doing it. I hope
everybody enjoys it because it comes out comes out tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
For a watch crew that's going to be in Green
Bay on Wednesday. I think we got to do a
watch party first episode.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Yeah, we will be together.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yoah, wait, we're going Wednesday. Yeah, I think we're going
Thursday morning, Wednesday evening.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
No, no, it's Wednesday early afternoon. Yeah, after your Wednesday.
I can already see one. One thing from seeing the trailer. Yeah,
you should have had the fade. Boy, you should have
the fade. You're clean with the fade.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I do appreciate that, and I do think the fade.
I will say it looks better than I thought it would.
It looks better than I thought it would. However, the
maintenance it takes to keep a fade. For that reason,
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Three haircuts a year, four hair cuts a year type
of guy I like to let grow out and eventually
look at the miror and be like, I got to
take care of this, So I go and take care
of it. I like a little more, a little more
of a grungelo ye.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Big win for the bus. We've been trying to get
Taylor to get this fade shout out.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Promises made promises, cat brother, we got it done.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Let's go. You know, hey, he'll he'll, he'll keep the
fade going. He'll keep the yeah because you know, boy,
he likes to look good. He likes to look good like.
Once it girls that, he'll get fade again.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
It likes to look good like likes to look good.
This sure do, little editor that looks solid. Man, shout out,
No for shout out, shout out for shout out.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I have a shout out and it's going to be too.
Charcuterie boards at the Luwan Easter Bash twenty twenty five. Look,
I'm a man who I don't like to socialized a
whole lot. I love to sit by a charcuterie.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Board, which, by the way, is just such a lie.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Well, I know, once you get in the groups, but
once you're there feeling it out like I'm somebody who'll
just gravitate more towards the eating table and then kind
of you kind of pick your shots. You kind of like, yeah,
you find You're hoping you find your people there and
so and so showed up yet, and then if new
ones are coming over, you're kind of like, man, hopefully
this doesn't last too long, but I like to find
myself by the by the eating table and shout out Jason,

(58:47):
but your shark. That whole table set up was as
good as I've ever seen, as good as I've ever seen.
And we got a photo up right now. But picture
like little motes and crevices going throughout the board, and
those little moats and crevices are like cheese and chocolates,
different variations of chocolates. It was you as your tuna
salad sandwiches to where the bread is kind of soft

(59:08):
and smashed into the tuna salad, the what's the what's
like the yellow orange cheese, pimento pimento cheese, the little
pimento cheese bites, shit, bro the cups that you had
with the salami and the cheeses and the olives, like
it was incredible. It was incredible.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
It is amazing. Jason made lawan Easter Bash twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, what a would be?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
It was awesome, beautiful shadow shadows shotowt No Free Shadow,
My shadow, No Free Shadow is the first time being
sun kissed after a long winter, and it kind of
goes back to La Wan Easter Bash twenty twenty five. Man,
we were all out there all day. It's like hot
where if it was like it's been weeks of it
being that temperature. Everybody like, yeah, it's pretty hot out here,

(59:53):
but I feel like it was everybody's first time, like
kind of being out in the open after a long
hibernating winter and everyone's just like enjoying a little bit
of sweat going on your cheeks. At the end of
the day, you kind of look. I look at Tailor
and I go, sweet, you got a little a little
red on your face. She's like look at you, and
I go look in the mirror and I'm like, dude, yes,
we're back and tan time. It's beautiful. Sooner or later,

(01:00:13):
Jack will see me in the bronco ripping around no shirt.
Just try to keep that tan even baby. I'm I'm
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I Hey, there's not a better feeling, man than getting
that first hand. Yeah, boys, got it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
I got one kind of on the same lines as yours.
But it's the first time you get into a pool
after a winner or whatever. And apparently yesterday my cousin
told me he's ex army guys, so like, I believe
what he's saying.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Was apparently the hottest record on day for April twentieth
ever earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
So it was a beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
Dayesterday in Nashville.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Pool was going.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
I was at my parents' house and just like getting
in there and just diving in, just kind of floating around.

Speaker 9 (01:00:54):
You.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Remember, Yeah, the good times are right on the horizon.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah, they're on the horizon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I love the water.

Speaker 6 (01:00:59):
So anytime I getting the pool, the ocean, the lake,
it's a good day. Sipping on some neutral, sitting on neutral,
like whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Man, they both work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Also, you brought you said four twenty yesterday. Oh, my
wife and I nine year anniversary.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
So nine years manage you guys do easter. We just chilled.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
We just chilled. Man, it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Like, so did you throw on a you throwing a
roast spark and spark that ship up?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
You don't worry about my personal life and on your
birthday personal life. No, that's gog. Could you imagine could
you imagine me like putting on the shold and I
kind of over the kail and start kissing the neck
a little shit we doing? You know you in the buggalo?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Are you still watching you while we get that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
This is battle camp? Yeah? Yeah, we were sitting there
and uh, it was like, yeah, we kind of just
chow because it was Easter and the kids were all
about Easter. We did this this so last year, we're
driving down Granny White and we see a dog and
the dogs are just like kind of in the open,
So we get out, we get the dog. We find

(01:02:13):
out we like go over to these people's houses. These
this old couple lives in this house. We end up
hanging out their house for like an hour. This lady Margaret,
it's like showing us our greenhouse, their garden. Like it's
just awesome to be around them. They send us a
east like they do like an Easter egg hunt for
the neighborhood every year, and we like we went to
that hung out. It was awesome, nice and then obviously

(01:02:33):
you guys know Jason like I don't want a flex
but like your I righte every day, every day, Monday
through Friday, like we're eating like crazy good meals and
so Tayler, like last night I called shum up. I'm
like Torchies, what should I get? So we order a
budge of that torches got that caso.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
But was it enough?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
No hughe babies Burgers milkshakes. Just sitting there watching my team,
the Toronto maple Leaves take one oh against the Senators
due my team, my boys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
The number one seed, number one, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
You want the last time they won a Cup nineteen
sixty seven. See are notorious for being for getting kicked
out of the playoffs in the first round. Notorious for it,
and everyone I talked to who's been in the NHL
says the Toronto may Believes are like the Dallas Cowboys.
Like it's like like you're treated like royalty, like that

(01:03:27):
is the America's team. That's whatever, NHL's team. And then
Austin Matthew Scottsdale guy Senators, their captain Brady Kuchuk, he's
a scott Stale guy. So I got a couple of
azy boys walking to sea on their chest watched them
good old fashioned hockey, watching the boys crush them. Sixty
two cashed in a nice little money line, Toronto Bett,

(01:03:47):
We're up, We're gonna win it all this year.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Let's go, Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I got a shout out, A free shout out what
you got This morning? I was working out in the
garage and I saw something and that I wish I
could meet the dad that created it. But it's the
tennis ball in the garage that lets you know when
to stop pulling forward nice and it's multi use like
when you're growing up. You punch it, yeah, you dodge it.

(01:04:14):
And it was I saw it in my friend's garage,
and I'm like, man, whoever this legend was?

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
When he finished screwing in that little thing up top,
just stood back, put his hands on his hips, looked
at it and was like I just changed the world.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
And he did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
And I wish I knew.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Nn't wait to tell the rest of the dad's is
practice right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Like y'all got to do this. You or your wife
will never run into the front of your garage again.
Once you do this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Yeah icon, it's a great shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeahs of mankind ever, Yes, hence mankind.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Anybody anybody trying to follow that one. Oh okay o.

Speaker 8 (01:04:53):
Ship, It's not like that had I want to shout
out Alex Cant too. He came to the shot last
week you guys had just left. He is a border
patrol officer down in Texas, dropped off some patches for
the boys. So I said that we would shout him
out on the pod. So, uh yeah, shout out Alex Canto.
We appreciate you what you do down there on the border.

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All right, now we got some uh some patches. Show
shout out Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Shout out Alex Man, appreciate you coming, Bob brother.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Let's dive in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
We're good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Let's dive in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
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Go get you a bud light now, Marcus, Mary God Mary,
welcome to Busting with the Boys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
It's an honor, it's an it is an honor to
have you on. Man, I'd been looking forward to this
for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I appreciate you're not a big interview guy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I'm not. So we are off season too, and it's
like and it's like in my kind of my hometown,
you know, and it's like where I really just try
to like unwine and not get into too much. So really,
she kind of pushed me to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Should I kill me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
You really did not. Really, No, I was wanting to
be damn. Wanted to my wife and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
If she wanted to we got the wife. Now, we
got a little Micah here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Yeah, we'll do a tell all of the bus. That'll
be nice. I know every person in Nashville who has
ever gone to a Tennessee Titans football game is smiling
ear to ear right now. They're thinking about you. And
you were telling a story before about coming back and
playing the Titans for the first time. I like you
to relive that for me and camera.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
So back last season was the first time I played
against the Titans and crazy thing. It's been five years
and it was a really emotional time for me. It
was kind of weird and eerie because it's like, you know,
I really I wasn't playing, and it was like I
was going out there and I was seen. I mean,
there's like maybe two guys there since I've been there,

(01:08:30):
you know, but it's a lot of the same resource staff.
You know. I saw Jeb of course saw Jeb, you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Know, Jeff Wald Marcus, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
But got to see Amy and Keith and the ownership
and it was it was cool. Got to share a
moment a little bit and got a big hug, and
I was kind of unexpected for me. I didn't know
how that was going to go, and they were just
very welcoming, and I think for me personally, like it
was so such a good five years regardless of how

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it finished and all that, but there's a lot of
good memories in there, and it was it was kind
of cool to share a moment with them, and you
never close the door man, you never closed the door?

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah, why why was it? Why was Why did it
feel unexpected? Do you feel like it ended in a
very awkward way to where you just you more so.
I'm not gonna I'm gonna use the word hate for
a lack of a better term, but you just have
this assumption built up in your head how it might go. Yeah,
there's a little bit of animosity, but maybe not really
I think a little bo.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
It's I mean pride, right, you know, like at the time,
like Ryan played unbelievable and I was upset that it
wasn't me and I wanted to be there. I wanted
to be a part of that. And when it didn't
work out, I didn't know what that response was going
to be from people that were around there, I know,
for how it was for me personally, Like you know, yeah,

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I was upset, but at the same time, we had
so many people in there that were so good to
me that I was like, huh, I wonder how that's
gonna like pan out? Like I didn't. I didn't really
get to say goodbye maybe the way that I wanted to,
and to see people, to see some familiar faces, the
love and all that that was still there, like it

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was very genuine and yeah it was. I mean it
was emotional for me. So it was kind of one
of those moments. And it does help when you win
the game obviously, Yeah, but yeah, it was cool to
see a lot of a lot of old faces.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Did you have a lot of guys on the team
leading up to playing the Titans that were like, Hey,
we're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
One for you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Yeah. I mean it's funny because d Q he does
he does like a rotation of captains every week, and
a lot of times it's guys that either played for
that team or whatever. So when it was the Titans week,
I was like, he's for sure. Like I was like,
he's gonna because at the at the end of the day,
like he picks three guys and then like he has
a guy basically speak to the team, And for me,

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I was like, I'm probably gonna end up being one
of those guys just because how it played out. So
it was kind of the team was like kind of
rallying around that and I'm like, guys, I'm I'm like
five years removed, Like you know, that staff, everybody there,
like most of those guys are, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Remember Ben Jones, like every time we played Houston, Oh
for sure, it was always like super personal to him.
And he was at the Titans for seven years, yes,
and even that seventh year to be like Ben, like this,
you gotta we don't worry, We're gonna get this one
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
So they were rallying around you like that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
And we had such a good team, just a like
a core group of guys last year. That was just fun.
It reminded me a lot of like our first few
years in Tennessee. Just guys are very close regardless of
what side of the ball they played on. So it
was a pretty cool moment for me to be a
part of that. And yeah, those guys, man, they were
we're gonna get this one for you. I'm like, it's

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still a regular game for me. Like we're good, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
But when the clock struck zero, it was a piece
you Like there was a little bit that's like your
competitive nature.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yeah, got those best?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yeah. How was how was the the goodbye? You say?
You might have been the goodbye you wanted to have
obviously the way it ended with the Denver with the
Denver game, and we'll get into all that, but like
when you're cleaning out your locker for the last time,
do you like remember that. Do you remember looking back
and being like, I think, Okay, this is probably the
last one I'll ever step in this facility again after
being picked.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Yeah, a little bit. I think those those emotions definitely
crossed my mind. What was hard about it was I
was I mean, I was like twenty six, so I
was like, I'm just I'm I'm gonna find the next
spot and I'm going to go play, and I'm going
to go prove everybody wrong. And instead of like kind
of just like you said, taking a moment and like

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realizing like what was really going on and to just
say thank you to a lot of the people that
were I mean, there's people in there job you know,
hoss and hosses in there anymore, but you know, just
years and years and years of people that you know
did a lot for you. So I think I was
so focused on what was next that I didn't didn't

(01:13:00):
really take time to just say, you know, hey, thank you.
We we had a good run.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
It's hard to be present in those moments, for sure,
it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
How was it for you as a player kind of
going through. I'm not going to say first you've had
plenty of adversities, but a big adversity known that you
were the second overall pick, and probably a part of
you feels like maybe yourself personally, like did I fail
this franchise or am I starting to doubt my ability?
Like bring us in your head of the player in
that moment in that year, Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Dude, it was yeah, all of that. And I think
a lot of that was because I have such high
expectations for myself that I was. I envisioned being a
part of a super Bowl team there. I envisioned myself
kind of like being a guy and playing up to
all the expectations, and when it doesn't work out that way,

(01:13:47):
it's a it's a sting. And I think for a
long period of time, like I never really had to
deal with that. You know. I came here at Oregon
and we were rolling, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I three till what was it, three or four touchdown
ass in the first half of this first year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
He had a perfect perfect quarterback rating. Yeah, hey, that
game too, We'll get into that. That game, I was like,
we're gonna win it, because but the year before that,
we were three to thirteen, and I was like, we're
gonna be This is awful.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Bro, It's so funny. I'll never forget. I'm sitting next
to Craig Stevens after we'd won that game. He looks
at me, he goes, we're gonna make the playoffs this year,
and then we lose like six.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I was like, what the yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
But no, I mean yeah, I just you go through
a lot of ups and sometimes you feel like you're invincible,
and I think I was kind of in that mode
and I was struggling a little bit. Probably. I would
even say, like in twenty eighteen just being hurt. I
was like banged up, and that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
You had the was it the wrist of handle four?

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
I don't wish twenty eighteen up on anybody like I was.
I had a fraction in my neck, I had a
broken rib, I had torn plant and fascy itis. It
was like it was a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
And it sounds like it is off. It's lined to
do better.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
That's not true. That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
The Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
A that Ravens games crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Talk about. We got to talk about that. A lot
of that was I was holding the ball. It's fair,
you know, but yeah, I was just I think, like
twenty eighteenenty seventeen, like I was, I didn't feel invincible anymore.
I had. I had a really bad ankle injury in sixteen,
very unfortunate, where you know, you just got legs like
tangled up and I broke my ankle, and that was

(01:15:33):
kind of the first time really as an athlete where
I didn't feel like, Okay, I'm really not superhuman, like
I'm going to I can get hurt, I can kind
of get in trouble in that sense. And it was
kind of interesting because I think a lot of that
started to develop a little bit of the anxiety, the
fear of not being maybe who I thought I was,

(01:15:56):
and I think that all kind of cumulated into what
transpired in nineteen, where I mean, I wasn't playing well
at all, be completely honest with you, and I think
Braves was just trying to like hang on during camp
and we all kind of knew Ryan was playing well,
and I think out of respect for me, he was like,
just keep it, like we'll get you there. We'll get
you there, because I mean we've I played against him.

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He was a defensive corner in Houston, like I had
some good runs against him, so he kind of knew
what the potential was. And I think I was so
lost in my own mind that I just it kind
of just led to what it was. So yeah, I
mean it's interesting because I think throughout my career, I've
kind of had these peaks and valleys, and I'm starting

(01:16:40):
to overcome these values because I'm leaning into a little
bit more of the mental side of the game. I
was so much more like physical, Like I was like
I can just kind of outrun people, I can outthrow people.
Now it's like, Okay, you can't do that anymore, Like
how are you going to kind of create the advantage
create those types of things? And that's when I started

(01:17:01):
to kind of learn a little bit more about how
to play the position. And that was a lot of
that had to do with like being with the Raiders
and and so yeah, but I think over time you
just kind of learn, and part of that adversity made
me better.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
When you talk about things you would do a little
bit differently, do you ever wish you were more vocal
with the ocs. Yeah, one thing I noticed, There's one
thing I did notice when they're like, what was it
doing between Ryan and Marcus is I always you always
were very agreeable, like you were always super easy to
get along with. It always see my hey, markus are
gonna do this and this, And there was never a
pushback in a team meeting room. But I remember, I

(01:17:35):
think it was the game after the Denver game, We're
playing a Chargers. I remember Ryan's first starting him and Arthur.
I walked into the little cafeteria on Saturday, and I
literally hear Ryan going, don't call this play, call this one.
I like this play on first down, like this play
on second down. And he just seemed like he seemed
like a guy that's been in the leaf for a
long time and has had more valleys. And so when

(01:17:55):
you look back at that, like what would you have
done differently from like a vocal standpoint with these ocs.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
I think you said it just being open and transparent
about what I felt most comfortable with, because I think
the ego for me is like I can do anything.
Whatever you want me to do, I'll do it. But
there's things that you really like and there's things that
you're good at, and I think I could have been
more transparent about Hey, I don't see that very well

(01:18:21):
I'm not into that. I don't like hard play action,
turning my back and like trying to figure out what's
going on. Like being able to communicate those things early
on in my career I think would have helped. And
that's something that like with me now, like being able to,
like hey, Jay talking about Jaden, like tell them what
you like and what you don't like, you know, just

(01:18:41):
kind of passing some of that knowledge on a little
bit so that maybe he doesn't kind of follow the footsteps.

Speaker 10 (01:18:46):
That I did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
You mentioned figuring some things out with the Raiders. What
was it about the Raiders that was kind of bringing
you out of your shell or your development or maybe
it was coming out of that valley and being in
a completely new environment, because sometimes that's super helpful for
a player.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
Yeah, a lot of that, A lot of it was
Coach Gruden. He was like, hey, I want you to
come here for a couple of years, just like find yourself.
I know you're kind of not you who you are,
Like you're kind of lost, and he's like, man, just
take your time figure it out. And I have a

(01:19:21):
lot of respect for Coach Gruden. I know people may
have however they feel about him, but at that point
in time in my career, that's exactly what I needed.
And I was in a great quarterback room like Derek's
awesome and being able just to kind of find the
love again almost like competing and having fun. And a
lot of that was just like Gruden, like, hey, just

(01:19:43):
go out there and feel free to make a mistake,
like you don't have to be perfect. So I really
kind of aligned with that and I felt very comfortable
with it. And then on top of that, like Vegas
is like the Ninth Island, so people in Hawaii when
they go to vacation, they go to Vegas, And for me,
I had a lot of family and friends there, so
like I felt very comfortable in that community and it

(01:20:07):
made it really easy for me just to kind of
transition with my family, and I think a lot of
that was kind of why I felt like I found
myself again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
About this place we're at right now, Oregon, like what
has changed so much since you've been here, because it
seems like they just keep growing every single year and
things just keep getting better and better.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
It's impressive. It's impressive. And there was a street there
when we were done where there was kind of a
transition of coaches over and over again, but I think
the heart and soul of the program has always been Eugene.
It's like the only thing in town right, Like, no
matter regardless of how the team's doing, like that stadium
is usually sold out, and it was such a crazy

(01:20:47):
following here. So to have that kind of steady fandom
I think has always propelled this place to be good.
And it's always given this place like expectations and regardless
of who's been the coach, I think guys have always
tried to come here because it is the University of Nike.
And when you look at it from that standpoint, you

(01:21:09):
let these guys just come in here and play and
put it together. You can find ways to be pretty
good here. And I think Dan's kind of found the formula,
and it's been cool to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
What's it like when you walk into this building and
you go up. I don't know why this place is amaze,
but you walk up, you walk up the stairs one
of these seventeen staircases and you look over and it's
got the Islands of Hawaii. Yeah, and there's another hallway
that has the eight Mariota jersey, Like, yeah, what is that? Like,
what does that feel like?

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Well, our first visit here, we're walking in and we're like, yo,
this is Marcus's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
House house, Like it's it's crazy, your only Heisman Trophy winner.
It's sitting right there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
It's surreal, man, And don't do that. No, I know
it's really and I don't want to get emotional because
it is like, you know, I came here. I was
seventeen years old, like, didn't have much thought about what
was going on outside of Hawaii and come to this
place in you g. I was so homesick my first year,
but like they took me kind of under their wing

(01:22:05):
and regardless of who it was, like it was people
in the community, it was a staff, a lot of
the trainers are still here that I was here with,
so they really kind of helped me transition into who
I was. And yeah, I just it's it does it
does get a little emotional because it's so such a

(01:22:25):
part of you and it's kind of like I said,
it's surreal, like to think that middle of the Pacific,
some kid gets to come here and become the only
Heisman Trophy When they're like that's well, I don't even
know what the odds Are that right, Like that's wild. Yeah,
So it kind of blows my mind and still to
this day, like even walking through there, it is it's

(01:22:45):
just surreal.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
How did you go through the process of choosing organ.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
That's a great story. Actually, So they offered me before
I even started a game in high.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
School, before you even started a game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
So there was a kid, there was a guy in
front of me. His name is Jeremy Higgins's All state player.
He's great, left handed kid, could really throw it and
was committed to Utah State. So I really just had
to wait my turn, and I like I messed around
playing receiver, like I was doing all sorts of stuff,
and I'd kind of done the camp circuit and got

(01:23:19):
my name out there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
I guess camp circuit like Nike camps, so Spark.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
The Nike Spark Camp. The other couple of combines they
used to hold like these A P I A combines
in Hawaii And.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
How old are you at this time? Like what are
you like a soft sophomore? Part hadn't started yet.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I hadn't played. I mean I played a game
here there when we're blowing teams out or when Jeremy
had gotten hurt I played a little bit, but nothing
to the extent to receive and organ at the time
was like playing in national championship. Yeah, so it was
kind of a weird, wild story that like, why are
you offering this kid wasn't played yet. But what I

(01:23:58):
learned the story was was the off into the line
coach here, Coach great Wood was going and recruiting, and
he was recruiting in my high school. Mina Greg who
ended up playing here, was playing guard and it just
so happened while he was there. He I guess, had
noticed me running like I was. We were running sprints
or something, and had threw my name out there. So
they invited me to come to the camp here, and

(01:24:20):
someone showed me a video. But Johnny kind of talked
about this a little bit, Johnny Manziel and at the
time I was offered and Johnny was offered, but they
invited me to this camp and they basically were like,
put me on his team to I don't know, play
with all these other high school kids. And I had
been there for two days. I'm in pads like doing
all this stuff, and Johnny shows up unpadded T shirt

(01:24:43):
and shorts, goes in there says they're going to do
a workout with him. Coach Kelly hasn't really even talked
to me. I've been here for two days. He's like, hey, like,
why don't you just come in, like just do a
workout with Johnny. And I'm mad because I'm like, Johnny's
not even been here. They're gonna he's like offered whatever.
Like I was just like not feeling the love basically,
and we run a forty We're throwing and Johnny, it

(01:25:09):
was the worker was unbelievable. Like I mean, I can
still remember to this day, like I don't think a
ball touch the ground and it's funny to think, you know,
ten years later or whatever it is. But like he
had two Heisman Trophy winners in there going through a
workout together. And but I just remember at the time
I left and Johnny commits, and I was so mad

(01:25:32):
because I'm like, he hasn't been here. I've been here
a couple of days, Like I've been talking to the coaches,
Like he just commits on the spot and I don't
even have a chance to commit or whatever. And I
was like upset about it. And we're on the plane
ride home and I told my mom like, I want
to go to Washington. I had got an offer from
Washington Steve Sarkes and was up there and sark was like,

(01:25:53):
he gave me wrote out the red carpet. We had talked,
you know. I was like, I'm going there. I'm selling
from there. Yeah. So we're sitting there on the plane
and my mom's like, you really want to go to Washington.
I was like no, I mean, Oregon was like all
like everywhere I wanted to be. And she's like, at
some point in time, you're gonna have to compete, so
you might as well compete wherever you go, and you

(01:26:14):
might as well go where you want to go. And
she told me that and that was it, and I
committed when we got home, and kind of the rest
is history. But yeah, that's wind it out. I was
so sad on being an Orgon Duck because of guys
that had played before me, Like there's a guy named
Jeremiah Massoli who went to my high school had played
quarterback here and I just remember watching the Ducks as

(01:26:36):
a kid, and I was like, that's where I want
to be. So for my mom to say that to
me in that point in time, I was like, well, yeah,
I might as well compete and go where I want
to go. So that's how I know that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
That is well because I did see I think that
was on Club that Johnny was talking about him saying
Marcus and he's like, this fucking guy just he talks
about the work like not a ball touched the ground.
Have you seen that clip?

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
That's it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Yeah, and that's making it an organ basically said that
because of Marcus, I'm not gonna make it an organ.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
And that's wild. What was it like, dude? Talk about
growing up in Hawaii. Like anytime that I've taken my
family down for a vacation, I've seen eight jerseys in
Hawaii and the culture they're like even listen to you
in the interview, like the perspective that you have, the
peaks and valleys, and just the intention and the moments
that you seem to live in and appreciate. I feel

(01:27:26):
like that's all over. That's all over Hawaii. Like that's
like Hawaiian culture. Like everybody seems to be so proud
of guys like yourself, Mantiiteo, guys who have like made
it on the mainland and talk about just talk about that, yeah,
like talk about it. You can talk about that. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
It's funny because growing up, when you like watch the
news and they would like the sports would come on,
they would just show the athlete, like they wouldn't even
really care about what the score was, like whether they
put in the NFL MOLB like whatever. It was like, hey,
so and so from Hawaii was two for three and
hit a home run or and it was like, oh,
by the way, like the Boston Red Sox won the game.

(01:28:09):
So like very early on, like as a kid, you
just it was always highlighted like people from Hawaii, and
you kind of like that was like, oh, it's like
it's the responsibility, like you want to be able to
represent that the best way possible. So that was kind
of always in my mind. And then really I think
for Hawaii, like there is a little bit of a
chip on your shoulder, like you're not a part of

(01:28:30):
the continental US, so it's like, you know, the closest
land mass is five and a half hours away, so
it's like, yeah, there is a little bit of a
chip on your shoulder, and everyone's always talking about, oh,
you're from Hawaii, Like you know, maybe the football is
a little different down there or whatever, and it was
just kind of that type of chip on your shoulder
and people always highlighting those athletes. I think that really

(01:28:52):
just like creates like this really crazy fandom, you know,
and it's it's a blessing in guys. And I really like,
whenever I look back and think about it, like, I'm
very lucky to be where I'm from. And when it's
all sad and done, that's that's where you'll find me.
Somewhere on the beach. I'll be like three hundred pounds,

(01:29:12):
but I'll be down. Yeah. Yeah, hell dude, have you
you've been there all the rice and amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
It's amazing when you go there. Is it like a
movie star showing up?

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
No, no, bro, it has to be. Is it crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
I'll ask the missus what we're not walking around the mall? Yeah,
I can't imagine what it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
It's really honestly not that bad.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Who do you think is more famous in Noai? You
were Manti Tale?

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Okay, I get Manti. He's got his own Netflix, bro,
he does have his own Netflix Netflix. But I mean
I was kind of a third part of Pat and Kirk.
You know, they're just like oh, we kind of put
Marcus in there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
So how was that experience?

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
It was all right, safe space, Yeah, it was it was.
I will say our crew that we had for Netflix
were it was awesome. They're unbelievable. Shannon and that entire
group were great, especially with Kimmi being pregnant with her
first like very respectful of space and all that. It
was old though, after really like a week, I was like,

(01:30:22):
I don't know why I signed up for this.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
They're just in your house every day all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Well, they actually they were like for outside stuff, they
were cool. They're like, hey, I know Kelly's pregnant, like
just once every couple of weeks, just like let us
come do something, whether it was like meeting with Taylor
our chef, or you know, like coming into the Ultra
sound and different things like that. So they really kind
of kept safe space. But like I was mic for

(01:30:47):
like every practice, every game. It was brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
It's mind blowing to think that you signed up for that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Just well I'm not gonna lie to you. Like the
money was good, so yeah, I kind of turned that
down too. I was they sat there like, hey, will
you do this for this? I was like Uh yeah,
one hundred percent.

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to this episode now that you're a couple of years
removed from from your perspective what went down at Atlanta,

(01:33:26):
because there are obviously stories that came out of your
like questioning your commitment to the team, obviously being a
teammate of yours, it's like you're reading that stuff and
trying to fill in whatever gaps without being like, hey, Marcus,
what happened in Atlanta? Like fresh off of Atlanta?

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Yeah, no, it was, And we talked about peaks and valleys,
like that was a valley for sure, I think, and
we all kind of know Art, Like Art's a very
emotional person, so I think sometimes he can kind of
maybe say some things that give or take maybe not
what he wanted to say or wanted to portray. And

(01:34:01):
it was one of those things where we were all
pretty aligned of like what was going to happen. I
was signed there for two years, yea, and it kind
of flipped And I don't really know the extent why,
And nothing against Art, Like I understand being a head
coach it's a hard position. I understand that it can

(01:34:21):
make you do some things that maybe you don't want
to do right. But at the same time, like some
things were said, and it was almost like I just
kind of had to remove myself from that situation just
because I was like, first of all, I didn't want
to be distract I never want to be a distraction,
Like that was never the intent. At the time. I
was not sure how bad of a knee injury had
and when they wanted to go in a different direction

(01:34:44):
with Daz, I was they were like, hey, you know
you're signed for a couple of years. We love to
have you. So in my mind, I was like, well,
at that point in time, like, let me just go
make sure my knees like ready to roll, regardless of
whatever that looks like. And you know, unfortunately, like when
and I left to go get the surgery, like things
were said, and yeah, I mean but at the end

(01:35:05):
of the day, like I saw Art the other day
or not the other day, but during the season, and
I got nothing but love for him, Like he gave
me a chance really after after Vegas, well almost at Oakland,
but he gave me a chance to be a guy. Right,
he gave me a chance to play. And I don't
have any towards that animosity towards that situation kind of

(01:35:30):
unfolded the way that it did, and it was unfortunate
because I think at the end of the day, like,
I'm not sure my relationship with art will ever really
be the same. But when you look back on it, like,
I learned a lot from it and it made me
appreciate being around people that care for you and want
you to be around.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
So is there anything you would have done different in
those moments looking back on how everything unfolded.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
If I I guess if I had known maybe what
was going to be said for people, So I guess,
I don't know. Like he kind of came out after
the I think it was like we had a bye week.
Makaia was born on Wednesday. He brought me in on Thursday.
Was like, hey, we're going to go in a different direction.
You know, take some time to kind of talk it through,
talk it to your agent whatever. Yeah, tough, right, there's

(01:36:16):
a lot of emotions kind of built in there, so
you know, talk to my agent. And we were just
like it was very much like, hey, they want you
back for another year. You know, you're kind of technically
we're not out of it, but we were out of
it in terms of playoff positioning. He's like, you know,
let's just go maybe make sure your knees good to

(01:36:37):
go and attack this AID camp again and see where
you stand. Talk to Art, talked to Terry, and that
was kind of where when I laughed, we were kind
of all aligned in that, and my thought was that
I was going to go get surgery, come back and
kind of be around and helped as if he needed it.
And then some things were said on Monday with Art,

(01:36:58):
and at that point in time, I was like, Oh,
I don't want to just kind of pop back in
and like make this a whole ordeal, so I'll just
kind of take it on the chin and just kind
of step away from it. And you know, guys reached
out and called and kind of checked in to see
what was going on. But yeah, it was just like
I never want to be kind of the center of attention.

(01:37:19):
I just kind of want to do my job and
make sure others around me or kind of getting better
and I can help them kind of achieve what they
want to achieve. So for me, like I saw Daz
after the whole conversation talk to him, was like, hey, man,
if you ever need anything, I'm here for you. I'm
gonna go get my knee fixed, but don't hesitate the

(01:37:39):
car or whatever. And I left, and I'm looking back
on it, I probably should have stuck around maybe till
the following week and just talk to the team. But
in my mind, I was like, I'm coming back anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Right, you felt like you were aligned, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
And I felt like I was like going, okay, I
you know, I'm I'm not disappearing, like I'm going to
come back and like be around. And but once that
was sad, I was like, yeah, I don't think it's
probably healthy for anybody for me just to walk back
in there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Yeah, So I was just yeah, stepped away, and you know,
and like I said, like I think with Art, it's
it's unfortunate because I do think he's a good guy. Like,
and when you're put in positions where it's like, you know,
maybe things aren't going the way that you want and
things aren't really materializing, you know, I think unfortunately it

(01:38:30):
can get a little bit where I don't I don't
want to say like cover your ass, because I really
don't think that's what it was. I just think like
he didn't know what to say, and I wasn't there
to make any sort of comment on it, and I
think that's really why maybe he went down that road.
But at the end of the day, I saw Art,
Like I said, I don't got any hate in my

(01:38:51):
heart for him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
I just it is what it is, just a little
bit different now. Yeah, that stuff happens, man. I mean,
Art is an emotional guy and he does, like say
a lot of things. And I'm sure it was tough
for both of you, right, because you guys had a
great relationship before the Titans, and he's a head coach
as well, first time, and he's trying to figure out
the best way and everybody knows like you don't win games,
you're gonna get fired. Sure, so he's probably dealing with

(01:39:13):
like very similar stress as you were feeling that whole
entire time. So that's gotta be really tough for you too.
Pivoting back to when you're in for the draft, when
did you know, like, Okay, I'm probably gonna be a
Titan At some point do you think did you think
you're gonna go to Tampa? No, I knew I wasn't
in that mix, but it seemed like he was like
Jamis or Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
Yeah, I went down there. I met with love you
coach Smith Jason like the GM, and I just didn't
feel like I was kind of in the mix. I
think they were just like, hey, it was like we
want you to come in kind of meet you, get
to know you a little bit, but check a box
a little bit, which I was like, Okay, that's hey, man.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
You got you think that was you just I mean,
you just want the heisman all that. I had no
idea Jamis is their guy in the head already.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
I think when you have the first pick, like you
have opportunities to really diagnose everything. And for whatever reason,
maybe my tape or whatever it was, you know, but
I didn't really think I was in that mix. But
then what was really interesting was I get drafted to Tennessee.
They pulled me, my agent and my marketing agent pulled
me in the back and they're like, hey, don't don't

(01:40:23):
put the hat on yet, don't put the jersey on yet,
Like we don't really know exactly what's going to happen,
like you might still end up getting moved. So yeah,
So for like an hour, I didn't didn't take a picture,
didn't do the media, waited and then did all that
after it was like confirmed, but.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
So what was your agent and your marketing guy thinking, well,
Philly with Chip, that's right. Yeah, yeah, he had the
infamous quotea being like you, he went by past the
house and realized it was too much money.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
See something like that. But I think that's what it was.
I don't. I can't say for certain, but yeah, that
was just kind of what happened. And then along the
lines of that, when I got to Nashville, I didn't
have a suit or anything. So I actually borrowed Wizards
is like dress shirt and like put on a suit
coat just to do the pictures and all that stuff

(01:41:11):
because I was I was so far in Hawaii, like
to get over for the next day for the press conference,
Like we flew like all night, so I didn't I
didn't have time to actually get a suit. I didn't
even own a suit. Really.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
I had a couple of friends the trophy winner does.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
I had a couple from the ceremonies. Don't get me wrong,
but yeah, I didn't have a suit ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
Did Chip or anybody call you during that process, because
obviously I had a good relationship, they did not.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Isn't that weird? I feel like coming out of college
I'm thinking if Bo was like on a coaching a
team or something, I feel like I would be like, hey,
do you think I'm gonna get draft? Like what's the board? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
what's the board saying? And I'm thinking like if I'm
going to be a potential top five pick my head
coach who I've had such an incredible relationship with during college,

(01:41:59):
whin the highs, all the accolades that they got together,
like you'd think like it would be there'd be some
some communication. Yeah, you know what i mean, like, hey,
what are you guys thinking out there in Philly?

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Chips at Philly would love.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
To come play out for Philly. Come where'd you want
to go?

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Philly? I really actually I never never had a preference.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
I was like, no, seriously, but Chip Kelly, who you've
already had so much success in his offense.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Yeah, absolutely, he's probably thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
But I was like, probably really is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
You guys got messed up, I'm saying, coming out like
no one knowing how how you were with Hawaii, being
very homesick in organ then it's just such you know, Fay, Yeah,
like you're still a kid. Like as she drafted, it's
like an hour and half. I love to play for
coach Kelly, but it's like no difference.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
At all the distance.

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
That was the first thing when I got drafted. My
mom looks at me, she was that is so far.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
I'm like, sorry, Mom, Arizona or San Diego or something
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
I remember when you got draft did I was at
Nissan Stadium for like they were doing like a host
show thing, and obviously, you know, I was massive boys
of metten Burger and you know Met's personality. So when
you got picked, I was like fuck. I was so
mad that you were picked because I was like, I mind,
I'm like, Zach's gonna take us to the top man,

(01:43:18):
He's the one, He's the one to get it done.
And then you get picked whatever, I immediately leave the thing.
I call Zach, I'm like where you eggs? Are him
at my house? So I went and sat with him
for a little bit. But I remember during it was
a rookie mini camp. We're all kind of like peering
out the winter, like, hey, what's this kid about? What's
this Hawaiian guy all about? And you were zipping the

(01:43:39):
ball in the field. I remember sitting there with Mett
thinking of myself. It's so over. You are done, amigo,
It is done. But Zach he was such a I mean,
how like, is there anybody like Zach Mettenberger.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
There isn't. It was I really I did enjoy my
time with Matt, like obviously when you walk in the building, like,
that's such a weird you know, not relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Could not have you been around Zach a couple of times,
completely different personnality. Yeah, Zach's like, hey, watch me spin
this bitch, and Marcus is like, I don't really want
to be the center of prettention. I want to help everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
Else out for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Great, whatever you guys want to trust.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Me, whatever you guys need me to do, I'm there.
Exactually I'm gonna fucking like the world on fire.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
But that was I think that was what was cool.
Like when I walked in there and you know, like
Wiz kind of like gave me the job early on. Yeah,
and I felt bad about it because I was like
I didn't I hadn't even been here yet. And being
around met like his personality, like I just kind of
wanted to like not not disrupt, not like step on

(01:44:41):
his toes really and being around him He was very
almost welcoming, and he was just like, hey, man, I
know you're not very vocal, but like if you need
me to yell at somebody, like I'll do it for you.
I was like, perfect, man, we're on the same day.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Just imagine be like met sixty five, get him seventy seven.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
Can you help me? What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
What was it like walking into that building Because you
come from a place like this and then it was
that was a huge shock for me. It's like going
from college facilities to NFL facilities and being like it's
kind of a dump.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Yeah. I mean, I think Washington has newer facilities now,
but even going to Washington, it's like you have the
kitchen set up and it's just like buffet style food
where it just has a red, yellow, and green card
on if it's okay to eat.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Yeah, you're taking what.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
You're doing, walks in like a basketball gym, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
No, Yeah, and it's it's I'm so yeah, a dump
relative to NFL teams. So I'm not just specifically going
at the Titans. I just remember going from like Michigan
and like then I go here and I'm like, you
guys got a cold to like it's around the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
But we had the silver we had like the silver
ones or like a rubber made tub as like the
cold tubs that like a rack po and fletch would
set up, but not like an inground coldub whirlpool. It
is a for it's a different world.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
The old cold tubs we had, you were there for
when they went to the new setup.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
No, I didn't that. I was the only thing that
was new. Was they kind of readid the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Yeah, because they had those, but they.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
Read the locker room, but the bathroom wasn't done yet.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Right, So you walked into a construction zone that already
wasn't that great. So you probably had to be thinking
yourself like this is.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
Well the original one that I walked into was the
old one. Yeah, and I was like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
You know this is gonna have sauna.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
No, we had nothing. We had nothing, or maybe we
had a sauna, but I don't know if it was working.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
And they had those big boxy like lockers when you
put your sh the thing, yeah, and you're like, well
this is such an eyesore. And it made that it
made that like the area to walk through like so hard,
like different point point.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
I mean even when I was there in eighteen, the
saun was broken, like the entire year, just the steam room.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Those were you there when the kid got cut and
he pissed in the sauna?

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Were you?

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
You weren't there.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
There was one kid, Yeah, he got cut, like I think,
offway through camp, even before cuts and you walk we
walked in the locker room like it's the most terrible
in here, and somebody's like, yeah, I think it was
host Yeah, somebody pissing the song at least some guy
just like Peede on the Hot Sound of Coles And
that was just like I'll see you guys later. But yeah,
it's just different. It's just different going from college to
the NFL. So, like, how how was that for that

(01:47:20):
that transition I was.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
I think I was just like so happy to be there.
I never really think about it looking back on it,
like it was it was like not the greatest, but yeah,
it was what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
What it was, you know, how was it keep it?
Like compartmentalizing playing ball to the best of your ability
and also the expectation of being a second overall pick.
I want to say you're the high I mean, oh, yeah,
we did interview Jamis, but we didn't ask them about this.
But I feel like being a high a high overall
pick as a quarterback, I'm always curious, like, do you
feel that pressure expectation?

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
Yeah, I think, but I think I it was more
from myself, like more internal, Like I was more worried
about like me living out to my own standard, which
I think sometimes can be detrimental as well. Yeah, but yeah,
I was so so focused on making sure I was
like trying to play to the best of my abilities,

(01:48:15):
and maybe I lost a little bit of like being
able to just enjoy like what was going on like
stick out light. Yeah that first game.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Obviously, Like we thought to Jamis and we're like, hey,
did you have a like kind of like a rivalry
with Marcus at all?

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
He was like, I saw parts of it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
Yeah, So he was kind of talking about like how
there was like kind of a rivalry Yeah, and like
kind of wasn't then you guys like made amends or
whatever he probably made.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
About you guys were like combine training. And the way
he's thinking in his head is like he's like bucking up,
kind of peacocking a little bit like it felt like
a competition.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Which just gotta be the funny.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
He's like Marcus wasn't really giving a whole lot and
just knowing you. I'm thinking I wonder if Marcus was
even thinking about.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Even aware that a rivalry was taking place. Mark's like
just doing his work of James is like f in
the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
Because like we never even like worked out together really
so the guy that we trained with, Ryan Flaherty, one
of my closest friends still to this day, but like
he like try to time it out where we were separate,
because I think he felt like that was what it was,
and I was I like literally was like, I don't
that's not something that crosses my mind, Like Jamis, isn't
there working out like cool? Like I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Didn't Jamis say he would see Marcus working on be
like I don't want to go in there. Am I
just playing?

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
I think I think that might be like a little
bit ye seasoned, like you put a little extra sauce
on that. But there was definitely like a it was
a Mark just workout. Yeah, that's ct brain for both
of us because it was definitely ago. Yeah, but that
first game, like it is, it is what it is.
We kind of talked about a little bit, but like.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Did you do it again?

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Were you excited to kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
Put it what?

Speaker 10 (01:49:52):
I was like, we got this, I mean, touchdown, that's
this easy in the NFL. Adowna, No, No, that was.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
I think that was like the maybe the third or fourth,
the one to Kendel. Yeah, yeah, that was like the
third or fourth. My first throw I'll never forget. It
was roll pass. I understand a roll pass to the
right and just run to the left. By the way
it was, it was to the back. Was like the
first read and you know, you're like, you're nervous. It's
your first game playing an NFL. I was going number
one the whole way, and I threw it to the

(01:50:25):
Bishop and he got smoked by Levante David. I was like, sick, start, good,
start start.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
We rolled them, man, and then literally halfway through that year,
Wizard Hunt's gone and then your boy took the reins.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
Oh malarkey, Iro, do you want to talk about it?
Absolutely all right?

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
So I now before we start, Malarkey's the one that
you did not like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
I am on record saying I despised Mike Malarkey. Okay, yeah,
I'm on record.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Is that the one where you had to see patch
and got it taken away?

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
Actually, I said you and I should iron out. They
took my seat and gave it to you. That's pretty crazy, right.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
I also a lot of fine money, that was I said,
I also owe you a lot of fine money. No, no, no, no,
that was.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
I love doing that. That was like my favorite thing
in the world was bucking up for eight.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
That's funny. You're you got taken away mikets.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
I didn't even realize that's what it was. I was like,
They're like, hey, here's just you got a sea patch.
I was like, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
So we played Houston. Let me relive this for a second.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
We played Houston, we get Donkey stomped in Houston and
on the way home, I think before the wheels even
touched with like, Ken's out of here. The next day
news breaks Ken wizardhunts out, Michael Larkey, stepping as an
interim head coach, text, uh no, I'm sitting at home
and Mike Malarkey text me and he's like, hey, come
see me in my office tomorrow and I was like,

(01:51:57):
all right, this first day there, this is like the
night after the night of the news breaking of Ken.
It's like, this is like, so it's Monday, Tuesday. I'll
walk in his office and I literally made the joke
taking my seat away, and he goes, yeah, we're gonna
take your seat away.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
Here's was Malarkey there with which.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Marky was the tight Ends coach. Okay, all right, tight
Ends coach, which Malarkey is a tight Ends coach all time.
Guy like he had a good vibe about him. Was
like one of the boys boys type of thing. He
got that crown placed on his head and a whole
lot of things, a whole lot of things. His first
order of business and he you know what, his reasoning was.
His reasoning he goes to me, He goes, hey, listen, like,

(01:52:38):
obviously the team's not doing very well right now. You're
a young guy, and this is a lot to be
like putting on you to have a seat on your chest.
So like we're just gonna we're gonna take it. We'll
let you focus on being you and give to somebody older.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
I don't think that was me though. I don't think
they gave it to me. I don't remember having this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Marcus was only four captains and they took mine off
and they gave one to you. Like, where do you
think that c came from?

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
How were you playing at this time?

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
I was playing, all right. I think my rookie year
was better. I played better my rookie year than I
did my second. But I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Were you a distraction in the locker room?

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
No, I don't think so. I mean was I No,
he was. He was a distraction playing.

Speaker 4 (01:53:14):
He was a distraction in the huddle.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
Delaney used to be like, Taylor, get over. Taylor be
over there talking to who knows who, and we're like
thirty seconds on the play clock and I'm over there
trying to call the play, and I'm like, we're like,
where's Taylor? And Delaney's like, Taylor, get your ass over.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
A lot of shit talking. He was over there kind
of spound like.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
He doesn't really need to know the play, Like Ben's
gonna tell me what to do. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
That did.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Yeah, Ben kind of just did. Would say one thing,
we got it, we got it. We had a nice operation.
But yeah, he took the sea. I totally forgot that
he gave it to you, and it literally didn't register.
This is how dumb I am. It didn't register to
like three weeks later that like, Oh, he told me
he's gonna give somebody older, and then he gave it
to a guy that's a year like in his rookie season.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
That was tough. I do think I got to see.
I think a reason why I got to see was
Ken knew he was on the hop, like the chopping block,
and I was his first round pick the year prior,
and so there was like I think it was a
politic game for him because even some of the older
guys were like, what do you Yeah, I'm like, come on, man.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
But Marcus, is that Malarkey's one of his boys?

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Yeah, go ahead, Marcus.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
Yeah. I mean Mike's been good to me, so I
can't I can't talk to I thought we were I'm
not gonna this is good. I'm gonna play this neutral
game here.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
You know that is smart. But we beat the Saints
in overtime. We did right after that and didn't want
another one. I threw the luckiest touching on my life
to Delaney. Oh my goodness, I was trying to throw
it away they brought fire zone. I'm a rookie. I
don't protections is just like whatever, you know, I'll figure
it out later. And they basically brought fourd to this

(01:54:56):
flourid to the side, and I was hot and I
was just like, I'm just gonna try to throw it away,
and I threw it in the direction of Delane who
was running the sail route. When I threw it, I
was like, I didn't put enough on that. And then
I'm like watching the ball and I see Delaney start
to track it, and then Jerry's bird I think, uh,
I think it was Jerry's bird played at organ by
the way, stud dude. He hits up in the air,

(01:55:17):
Delaney catches it, scores like a sixty yard touchdown. I
was like, wow, isn't the Saints are like still the
Saints too?

Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
Yeah, I mean Drew was there. That didn't the field
goal go off the upright to go in the overtime
for us with them like they missed it?

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
Remember I got it was was it Fassano or Stevens
who won those Fossanoso. Yeah, fifteen was a tough year.
It was a tough year, but you're probably you're just
getting your feet.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
Well, I was just trying to was swimming, Yeah, just
trying to tread water.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
You made feel that whole season.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Did not.

Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
I did not, not at all when I was in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
But yeah, but fifteen, like off the line, Ben wasn't
there yet, Ben wasn't there. It was me Chance Andy Gaelic,
Andy Gaelic, but schwanky before swanky Dolphins and then kind
of a revolving door a right garden, left and right tackle,
so you didn't have a whole lot of protection. And
the offense we were running was insane for an offensive

(01:56:17):
line that wasn't seasoned.

Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
We I have a funny story about that. We so
quarterback wristband right, No, I didn't really, I never wore one.
We were no how to hear. I was like, no
how to on high school? So seon. I mean first game,
the game he won, We did fine. Second game we're
playing up in Cleveland, and the numbers for the wristband
Aer won through whatever. I think there was like eighty

(01:56:40):
ninety hundred maybe hundred plays or whatever, and I took
a sack. It's like two minute and our two minute
menu with Whiz was one through ten. So he's yelling
four four four, So I'm not getting everybody in a huddle.
I'm going off wristband. Four. Well, the first like five
plays of the spander usually like specials or like you know,

(01:57:03):
trick plays. So I don't know. It's like with like
minute and ten seconds left before half, and I call
this play and it's a reverse to Harry Douglas and
I'm like getting ready to call, and like people are
like looking at me, like you sure about this, and
like that's what they said for, and I'm like, I
take this nap, We do the reverse to Harry, we

(01:57:24):
get tackled for like a five yard loss or whatever.
I come off to the sideline. He goes, what were
you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Why'd you call?

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
I'm like you said four, Like I'm looking at play
four on the wristband. He goes, oh, no, no, no,
we're talking about play four on the two minute men.
I was like, that's tough, man, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
A five yard loss. Yeah, call the reverse god two
minutes drill.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
I mean I think sixteen man.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
Once we got Ben in, it seems like that's when
everything kind of changed for offense. I would like talk
about your relationship with Ben and how important. He was,
Oh man for you at those times, because I had
to grow to love Ben as opposed to like appreciating
him for who he was in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
Oh he was for me from the start. Was unbelievable.
Guy that's played at a high level, knows the ins
and outs of protections. Like I mean, my first my
rookie year, like I had to go up there and
like make a Mic point and like, which I was
fine with, but like I didn't understand like trying to
make Mike points like in the run game and like
I'm over there, like I don't care, like the wills

(01:58:26):
of Mike. I don't who cares? Yeah, I never understood
any of that, you know. And so getting Ben into
the team, like he controlled all that and we were
able to like he taught me a lot about protections.
We're able to get like on the same page. And
a lot of times the protections I would be like, hey,

(01:58:47):
you know, he's seeing one thing. I'd be like, hey, no, no,
go left, go left, go left, and he would make
all the calls. Everybody would switch up and we'd be good. So,
I mean, Ben was heaven sent for me and I
think for all of us. Really like he was just
such a glue guy and thankful that I was able
to play with him.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
Was it hard going through so many coaching changes?

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
It was wasn't easy, I mean, but part of it is,
I think again, it's like I was so naive to it.
I was like, nah, man, like I'll make it work.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
Yeah, whoever's in here, whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:59:19):
But looking back on it, like I think, on my eleven,
this will be my eleventh season, I've had nine different
play callers. Wild yeah, And I think, like looking back
on it, like that is kind of crazy. And I was,
this was what twenty eighteen we had Blaine Gabbert, my
guy watch.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Daddy Spinet, Yeah, hell yeah, just fighting for one more
every year.

Speaker 4 (01:59:42):
Blaine. Blaine's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
He's got a great viob about him.

Speaker 4 (01:59:45):
He does, he does. And I remember we were sitting
there one meeting and he was like, yeah, this is
my eighth season, this is my eighth different play call
and I was like, damn man, it's crazy. Like I'm
on five and this is like four. It's like it's
kind of crazy to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
Yeah, talk about the tra transition to Washington. It feels
like you found some footing there. You opted to go back.
I know you were having your presser and talked about
you know, if you were to get an offer from
another team, they would have had to have knocked it
out of the park for you to leave, because you,
you know, accepted. You love the role, you love the organization,
you love the team. But talk about your time in Washington.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
Yes, it was awesome. I mean aside from maybe our
first couple of years, Like, it was probably the most
fun I had in the NFL, just from a day
to day basis. And what was really cool was when
I was in free agency last year and they called
me up, like DQ's message to at least to me,
and it sounds like it was like to a lot
of other guys was I want to create the best

(02:00:42):
environment to come play football. And I was like, okay,
you know, sounds good, right, sounds good in theory. And
when I when I showed up there being around Cliff,
being around Tavita and the rest of the staff, like
he really created this type of environment where it's just
I have fun, cut loose, like be who you are

(02:01:03):
and we're going to roll and win games. And from
a person standpoint, he's like unbelievable, Like comes up to
everybody's wife like kids, like he's very personable, and I
think that's where you get guys to just play hard
for you, and being around him and being around the
core group of guys like Zach and Bobby, and when

(02:01:25):
you got a group that really just kind of enjoys
being around each other, like you find ways to win.
And I think for me, somebody else, if I had
an opportunity to go play, was going to have to
really like kind of show me that was possible, because
I feel like I play my best in that type
of environment. And I'm I'm fortunate and I'm excited to

(02:01:45):
be back and I'm looking forward to kind of seeing
what we can make of it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
When did you know that d had it?

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
Yeah, that's funny. Everyone kind of asked me that, like
we you know, like OTAs, everyone's kind of like, yeah,
you know, he looks good, like in camp, you know,
look good. Everyone was yeah, you know, But I would
say for me personally, it was probably against Cincinnati on
Monday night, and like his demeanor the moment, like the
moment was never too big for him, like he was

(02:02:14):
ready to roll from the get go. And I watched
him go and just like dissect the defense. And it
was probably from my vantage point, probably one of the
better games that I've seen a quarterback play. And whether
it was running making guys miss to completing four fourth
and five or fourth and six, to like keep drives

(02:02:34):
alive to score touchdowns, like he was unbelievable. And I
was like, if this kid can continue to do that
or kind of play in that realm, like he's going
to be really special. And he found a way kind
of throughout the year to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
How was he in the film room as like a
student of the game.

Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
Yeah, he's very knowledgeable. And what's been cool for me
is like I've been able to just like from my
past experiences be like, hey, this is like something that
happened to me, just be aware of it, and like
to see him recognize that and realize that and do
maybe what I I saying. He was doing what I
was saying, but like just being able to like account
that type of information and use it like was really

(02:03:12):
cool for me. And it's pretty pretty spot on about
how he is as a person, Like he comes in,
works hard, goes about his business, and moves on. And
I think he's got a chance to be really good.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
Is he a vocal guy?

Speaker 4 (02:03:25):
Yes and no. And what's cool is like when you
have a group of veterans you can kind of get
you kind of encourage it, and towards the end of
the year you could really see it from him. And
what's been nice about DQ though, is he's like, don't
we don't ever want to be somebody else that you're not.
And if you're not vocal, if you're not like, don't

(02:03:46):
force it, which I think for Jay has been really
good because then he kind of like he's able to
create that type of leadership for himself and is able
to relate to guys and kind of get the most
out of him.

Speaker 3 (02:03:58):
What it Oh, sorry, go ahead, I was gonna say,
what is it about d Q's culture. You talked about
his intention, how he's personal, he's great with people, he
goes up to wives. What is it about like his
day to day in the season, say, you drop a game.
We've all been in the locker rooms where it's like
the urgency and maybe coaches kind of you know, the
negative energy is kind of in the building. But what

(02:04:18):
is it about d Q's culture on the day to day,
like in the grind of the season, because anybody you
talk to about DQ, everybody talks about how great his
culture is.

Speaker 4 (02:04:28):
We hit a stretch last year where he lost three
in a row. Did his demeanor at all changed, Not
one bit? And his day to day is always the same,
Like you know what you're gonna get on Monday, tell
the truth, Monday, You're going you get the day off
on Tuesday, and it's fundamental Wednesday, it's turnover Thursday, and
it's fast Fridays. And it's the same regardless if you're

(02:04:50):
winning or not. So you're not showing up after blowing
out whoever and getting a Monday off, Like it's we're
gonna do the same exact thing, so we're regardless of
how the results are. And like his preparation and process
remains the same, and a lot of that too, like
is not football. It's kind of why, Like I've never

(02:05:11):
been a part of a team where on Saturday he
doesn't talk about football at all. And this is a
day before the game and you're sitting down and I
remember the first week. I'm like, i mean, should we
like talk about like hey, Keith, the victory or you
know some of these things?

Speaker 3 (02:05:25):
You know, and.

Speaker 4 (02:05:28):
He has Dylan Thompson, who shout out is like unbelievable,
but he goes up there and he leads like a
life lesson and like a talk about how you can
become better men. And for me, like being a part
of the NFL for ten years, like you never see
that it's never been about that, But when you can
step aside and realize that football is just a little

(02:05:49):
bit part of what you do, it's not who you are.
I think you really kind of galvanize a group and
guys really reacted to it. And I don't think it
was any surprise for any of us in that building
that how well we did and how far we went
just because of a DQ and what he's about.

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
That is beautiful. Like you, you brought up a point
that a lot of football players say a lot, which
is like football is what you do, is who you are.
How do you stop that from becoming your identity for you?

Speaker 4 (02:06:15):
I didn't. I still struggle with that, And I think
from my transition in Tennessee after everything had kind of
fallen apart, like I was like didn't know what to do.
Same with Atlanta, like I was, you know, it's funny,
like you think you're able to learn from previous challenges obstacles,

(02:06:36):
and I thought I did. But when everything had happened
in Atlanta, like I was like, man, this is all
over again. Like I'm I'm pretty good, Like I don't
need to do this football thing, Like it's just kind
of it's tearing me apart. Like I was like over it.
And it really led to me being in Philly with
Howie in the GM and I kind of started talking

(02:06:56):
to some like sports psychologists. My agent had recommended one
who I still talk to today, and how he was like,
I went to Philly after Atlanta, Bro, it was like
the worst camp I've ever had. I couldn't even hit
a shallow round. I was like dirting flat routes like
and how he like comes over and he's like, hey, man,
I really just want you to like kind of dig

(02:07:17):
into your mental side a little bit, and so I did,
And really, I think through the course of that season,
I kind of started to maybe get away from my
identity as a football player and more as my identity
as a you know, a husband, a father, a son,
a brother. And it's so hard because I think as athletes,
like we sit here and forever that's your sport or

(02:07:40):
whatever you do. That's like how you identify yourself and
you sit in these meetings. The PA does all these
meetings right like, oh, you know you're not You're not
just a football player, and you like sit there like
I know I'm not like whatever, but like you really
don't know kind of until you have something kind of
thrown in your face to realize like, oh maybe I
am really kind of identified myself as at So for me,

(02:08:02):
like I take call it an hour a week and
I talk and it's a little bit about football, like
how can I get better mentally? But it's a lot
of it's just like unleashing like things that are going on,
whether it's me inside internally or like from like as
a father or like just little things like that. And

(02:08:23):
it's kind of crazy to think about how much these
external things really affect your internal and being able to
understand that internally, if you control kind of what how
you feel and how you acted things like, you're going
to be better for it. So I was so easy
for me throughout my time, especially in Tennessee, where like
I would just shoulder everything like you can put it
on me. I don't care, like I'll figure it out,

(02:08:45):
and you don't really realize how much it affects you
until like maybe it's all said and done, you're like, dude,
like I could have been a better teammate, I could
have been a person depending on how you know it
all would have would have played out. But yeah, I
had one and I lost.

Speaker 1 (02:08:59):
It's okay, that's part of cutting podcast. Yeah, what are
some of your fondest memories? Because like for me, when
when I have you on the show, I just start
racing in my brain about all the times we had
in Tennessee and then Will jumps over to Commanders. I'm thinking,
like how do I bring this back to Tennessee? And
then we or I'm like, how do I bring this
back to Tennessee? Because it's it's it's because having this

(02:09:21):
conversation you you realize like how it ended, how tough
it was for you. But still being in Nashville this day,
like every single Titans fan is like, yo, market the
fucking Marcus Mary Goda, like everyone is still like sees
you as this when I talk to you now, and
you're not seeing yourself as that at that time when

(02:09:42):
everybody in Nashville is like still so proud of like
eight and they're like all about it, which is which
to me is like says a lot about you as
a player, but it also says so much about your
character and how you were just talking about like shouldering
things like I remember vividly like when things weren't going well,
I would see you, I would w you, and you
would never you were never emotional, And I think I

(02:10:02):
even said you one time it was like maybe you should.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
Like show a little bit more emotion his wife's price.

Speaker 1 (02:10:07):
Yeah, but there was one specific time and it was
like towards the end where I remember we're like going out,
like it was halftime, and I was like one of
the last ones in the locker room and You're like
let out a scream and like slam your fist on
the on the locker and I remember thinking myself, good,
like that's he needs that. And I think we ended
up going like winning that game. But I want us
to know like kind of your fond memories, because there's

(02:10:27):
been a lot we talked about. We talked about a
lot of valleys here, but like it doesn't take away
from like you, how good of a player you are,
how much you've accomplished in your life. So I just
want to roll down memory, Lange.

Speaker 3 (02:10:37):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (02:10:37):
I like it. Gosh. One of my favorite memories.

Speaker 3 (02:10:45):
Wolverine.

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
Is that a fond memory for you?

Speaker 2 (02:10:50):
Man?

Speaker 3 (02:10:50):
You're talking about Titans or Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:10:54):
That's all I know, Likenessee.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
How do we bring it here?

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
Yeah? How do we bring it back here?

Speaker 3 (02:11:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
I know, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:11:06):
Gosh.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
My favorite memories probably got to be jackson We played
Jacksonville at home to get into the playoffs, and seventeen
was kind of up and down here for me, battling
a lot of injuries, Like I was kind of not
playing great, and we had a fumbled exchange with Derek

(02:11:26):
and Yannick ends up getting the ball and returns it
for a touchdown, and I remember sitting like, dude, no way,
we're about to lose this game, like we we were
at the time. I think we're like eight and four
before we went to the West Coast, and I was
like we were sitting there trying to just scratching claw
to get in. And I remember we get to, we
get the ball back, We're just trying to hold the lead,

(02:11:48):
and it was third and five or third and six
and took the snap. I probably could have thrown the
Lanny the ball. I mean, never wrong throwing de Laney
the ball, but I scrambled and I took off to
the left and I ended up getting the first down
and I remember sliding and looking up to the stand.
I was trying to find I was trying to find

(02:12:08):
my family, and I like kind of spiked the ball.
I was kind of like the most emotional thing I've
ever done, you know. I was just like for all
that was going on that year for me personally, just
being hurt, not playing well, like I was like kind
of threw the ball down, was like, yeah, I know
I can still do this. And I remember getting that
first down and Delaney had to grab me because he

(02:12:30):
thought I was gonna say something that I think it
was church maybe something.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
Like that, because you did do the stair down, but
it was nothing to him.

Speaker 4 (02:12:37):
It was nothing to him. I just had so much
emotion built up, I think from kind of that year
and seventeen, but that's a fond memory for me because
it was like, regardless of what was going on, like
we still find a way to win, and like Delaney
being there having my back, having making sure I was
like not doing too much, but like, hey, we got

(02:12:58):
another game to play and like us to get in.
I don't know what it was like maybe a while
since we had been in the playoffs for Tennessee. So
being able to do that at home in Nashville was
was a special moment for me. And then I mean,
who can forget the Kansas City game? Like that was wild?

Speaker 1 (02:13:13):
Yeah, it was it twenty one three.

Speaker 4 (02:13:14):
Oh my goodness. At a halftime we should have never
won that game.

Speaker 1 (02:13:18):
I never should have won that game, should have never
won that you threw a touchdown pass to yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:13:24):
I mean, I remember where I was when you guys
came back, Like I was in my buddy John Wigger.
I was in his basement. We were playing the Last Name, Yeah,
and we were we were playing pool, and I remember
seeing a halftime like this isn't even a game, right,
And then by the end of it's like these motherfuckers
came back and won, Yes, beat them.

Speaker 4 (02:13:42):
That was. That's another really fun memory.

Speaker 3 (02:13:43):
That was.

Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
That was the coldest game I've ever played in my life.
That was. That was brutal.

Speaker 4 (02:13:48):
That stretch was cold. Jacksonville home was cold. Jacksonville at
home to Kansas City. Then we went to New England,
got donkeyed, we got murdered. Bro Phillips super and came
up to me. It was like, I don't know, we're
losing whatever it was, and he.

Speaker 3 (02:14:05):
Was, bro, I'm open down the middle.

Speaker 4 (02:14:06):
I'm like, Philip, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (02:14:08):
Bro, It's over. It is so done. That Kansas City
game was awesome. Yes, do you ever regret whenever we
tried to play in tackleligible place For me, You're throwing
the ball too fast in practice and I would drop
it and then they would take I know, but there
was a lot of opportunities before then as well. And
I specifically remember you rocketing a few just above my

(02:14:30):
head and it felt very intentional.

Speaker 3 (02:14:36):
There was.

Speaker 4 (02:14:38):
It was more just a laugh at practice, But then.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
I felt my I felt my dreams like slipping from
my fingers every single time you do that football.

Speaker 3 (02:14:45):
Mark sing if he can handle these, he'll get the.

Speaker 4 (02:14:47):
Wats wanted them to go confidence, you know, I know,
I was so nervous, That's all I got going back
to a can I come real quick. So we were
sitting there and we had this tech tackle eligible play
against the Colts, and we had practiced it all week
and he had dropped it. I remember going into it.
You never counted it, and he I remember coming in

(02:15:08):
through the headset and I'm like, I'm just gonna throw
it at his body so he can't drop it. So
I come out of it, come out of the fake,
and I see him.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
Go like this.

Speaker 4 (02:15:16):
His eyes are so big at me like.

Speaker 1 (02:15:18):
This, Hey, I was so nervous.

Speaker 4 (02:15:22):
I never he's never nervous want anything, and he was.
I just that was a I can still remember his
eyes like this. And I threw like a little like
just at his at his stomach, like.

Speaker 1 (02:15:31):
You're throwing to your like you're throwing to rue, trying
to keep trying to catch a ball for the first time.
Muffined it right in there.

Speaker 4 (02:15:36):
Thank you, turn around, score a test sound yeah, go on.

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Speaker 3 (02:16:47):
I would like to dive back into a valley right here.
Here's why, Here's why. What I appreciate so much about
this conversation is you're such an accomplished athlete, Like it
doesn't matter if you're a heisman, a second overall pick,
Like you've had an eleven year career, Like you have
an incredible life that I know you're grateful for and
getting like having these conversations, Like a lot of stuff

(02:17:09):
that you consume is about everybody's highlights. And I'm appreciative
that you're so transparent in these low moments because I
feel like everybody watching like it goes through stuff like
when you're talking about getting banched or this happening, Like
in my brain, there's like something you're speaking to that
I'm relating to in my journey. And I feel like
everybody does that, and it doesn't matter how high you are.
It's like everybody goes through this human factor of bringing

(02:17:31):
it back to internal talking with the psychologists, like getting
over whatever those mental blocks are to allow your body
to do what it's capable of doing. So that's why
I love like talking about the valleys and going to
the time when you were talking about in Philly, was
there a moment where you're talking to your wife and
talking about like retiring and not wanting to do it
anymore and that was the place you were thinking about, Hey,

(02:17:52):
once its training camps over, Yeah, keeping gave the not
but I think I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
Hang it up. Yeah, I mean I was feeling that
after Atlanta, just kind of how everything transpired there and
the negative kind of you know, you try to say like, ah,
nothing gets to you right, like I I mean, I
don't even have social media, but like that stuff was
getting to me about like, oh, he's a quitter this
and that, like he and I was like, I've never

(02:18:16):
been that's never been who I am, never been labeled
as that, and it's like it felt like it was
attacking my character and my integrity, and so I was like, man,
I was like, f this. I don't I don't need this,
Like why would I Why would I just set myself
up for that? And like after Atlanta, I had met
with the sports eychologists who I'm currently working with, and

(02:18:38):
you know, we felt like we're kind of overcoming some
of these hurdles, but it's really not until you go
through it again or like you go and you're actually
out there on the field, do you realize like, wait,
I'm not I'm not okay, you know, like my anxiety,
like these these things are still bothering me. And so really,
like I mean, I was like, we had this open

(02:18:59):
we had this in stadium practice when I was in Philly,
and which is wild by the way they sell those out.

Speaker 3 (02:19:05):
So the practices at Philly, Oh, how many people.

Speaker 4 (02:19:08):
Whatever the stadium holds. I think it was like seventy
some thousand people. The whole stadium for the It was
like an open scrimmage and really like you know, you
had open practices or whatever, but like that was the
first time I had been in a stadium full of
people like that since the whole thing in Atlanta, and
bro I could not I mean I could not throw ball,
could not throw ball. I was like my my fear

(02:19:30):
of my anxiety, like everything was just like through the roof.
And so I ended up just running around like I
was like they were calling plays and I was just scrambling,
just trying to like move the ball. And I remember
coming out of that game or the scrimmage and I
was like, dude, I'm this is not it. I don't care.
I remember looking at my wife like I'm good on this,

(02:19:50):
like I don't I don't need it, and it just
kind of it compiled like I went into the next
preseason game against Baltimore, did okay Cleveland? I was like
a mess and I was like after the Cleveland I
really thought I wasn'tetting cut. I was playing so bad
and I was just like almost in my mind, I
was like hoping, Like I was like I hope they
just cut me. And I just like walk off with

(02:20:12):
it and move on. And that's when how he kind
of sat me down after the the Cleveland game, was like, hey,
I'm going to try to kind of help you out here.
And through that process, through that year working with g
my sports psychologist, like I really kind of just started
to separate myself from what that anxiety and that fear is,

(02:20:33):
and a lot of it is is external. A lot
of it is like you're so worried about what maybe
other people are thinking about you that you don't really
realize that that's affecting who you are and what you're about.
And my nature as a people pleaser I think kind
of really sets that off. Like I naturally want to
be liked. I want people to appreciate me as a person.

(02:20:56):
So when something that I identify with, specifically football, isn't
allowing me to do that and people are like, man,
you suck, like you're not worth the you know, you're
not worth the shit, Like then I'm like, well, if
I'm not able to be liked because of the one
thing that I feel i'm good at, then I'm kind
of like lost and being able to really kind of

(02:21:16):
realize that and take a step away from it and
be around. Really, Alex Tanny was with me, like help
me through that. Brian Johnson who's on staff for the Commanders,
like they all kind of helped me through that avenue
to where like I played in the last game against
the Giants. Jay had gotten hurt before the playoff game
and didn't. I played okay, but like I was like
the first time I can remember like telling kill me

(02:21:38):
like it is the first time I played like somewhat
free since really college. And I think a lot of
that was because there was a lot of expectations he
came to Tennessee. When I got to the Raiders, like
I was playing in my hometown, like there's expectations there.
Then when you go to Atlanta, it's like you know,
you're you're asked to be the guy there and it
just kind of re kind of does that whole thing again.

(02:22:00):
So yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
like I had to really come to terms with the
fear and the anxiety that I was dealing with and
that I needed to be able to communicate those things
because it did affect me and it affected how I
was playing.

Speaker 3 (02:22:16):
Take a moment to shout out your wife, because you're
somebody who is Probably when you're in front of everybody
else or in the locker room, you can't really see
what the emotion is or what's going on with Marcus.
You're a quiet guy, but I'm sure you're having these
conversations with your wife through the ups and downs, and
how pivotal was she through all this as an athlete too.

Speaker 4 (02:22:34):
Here, you're gonna make me cry on this podcast, and
I want to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:22:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll cry with you, I promise.

Speaker 4 (02:22:45):
She's Yeah, I mean everything that I could ever ask for.
She was an athlete herself, which I think for us
has been great because she understands the valleys and understands
the peaks, and very very fortunate. She's an unbelievable mother,
which I think has made me realize how much I

(02:23:05):
even love her more, because I don't think you really
realize until your significant other has maybe a child, or
that you really realize like how much you really do
care about them. So, yeah, we've been through a lot.
She is kind of the yang to the yang. I
always joke that she's the social one and I'm not.

(02:23:26):
She's the one that everyone likes and I'm not. But
very very fortunate and yeah, blessed to have her in
my life.

Speaker 3 (02:23:34):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:23:35):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (02:23:37):
Just wait for.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
I said a couple of times before we started this podcast,
like you can come sit down. She said, no, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (02:23:46):
Yeah, we'll give you a mic, no doubt, because I'm
fascinated me. Is there anything you do want to say? Yeah,
don't let her get going, dude, congrats on two kids.

Speaker 4 (02:23:59):
Man, thank you?

Speaker 3 (02:24:00):
How did that throw a wrinkle in everything? While you're
going through all these ebbs and flows, no doubt, trying
to be president at home, also trying to pour into
your craft and get back, you know, out of the
funk that you were in. For sure.

Speaker 4 (02:24:12):
I think what really kind of set me off maybe
a little bit, was after having Makaiah in Atlanta and
had everything that had happened. I can just remember sitting
there holding her and thinking about, man, I should have
done this on this play, or I shouldn't have thrown this,
or I wish I would have checked to this, And

(02:24:34):
then I'm sitting there like five minutes lao, like, dude,
there's something wrong with this, you know what I mean?
Like I'm sitting there holding my child who's maybe a
week old, and I'm thinking about decisions and plays that
I did wrong, and that's when I was like really searching.
That's when I ended up getting a sports psychologist because
I was like, there's not like, there's there's nothing in

(02:24:55):
this world that should take me away from her, and
it was I was like, it's not for me. It
wasn't worth it. So they've been a great perspective for me,
and I think it's really helped me kind of iron
out a lot of that fear and a lot of
that anxiety because I don't want my kids to be

(02:25:15):
afraid to talk about it if they do have it right, Like,
I want my kids to be able to be vulnerable
and be open to having conversations, whether it's with us
or with other people, because I think that's how we
all internally grow. So I think for me it's been
the biggest blessing because it's helped me kind of overcome

(02:25:37):
a lot of these things that I've been doing.

Speaker 3 (02:25:39):
With Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
Having kids is change change. Yeah, And I get what
you're saying too with the like I remember having Win
and she was born in July fifth, and then a
couple of weeks that I'm in camp and I would
get down in camp and I'd be thinking about tomorrow's
practice or the film I mess up this play right,
And yeah, it's it's so consuming, and when football becomes

(02:26:03):
that consuming, it takes away from the fun. It takes
away from the reason why you started playing the game
in the first place. It's so hard to get out
of that mental gymnastic of how tough, like the smallest
things can set you off when they used to not
at all.

Speaker 3 (02:26:16):
Right, Yeah, man, I yeah, because there's parts of me
that feels like I got lucky having RUE because we
had our first around the same time as Aos actually
about to go out to Atlanta, but even leaving however
old rou was at that time and feeling like, man,
it kind of sucks, like hey, shout out NFL moms

(02:26:36):
and wives that are out there, sure because just knowing
that what we pour like talking for myself and then
you probably now being out of the league, like what
you have to pour into a profession like this at
a level that you've obsessed about for your entire life
and knowing how that can like you know, again, I
feel like I'm like thankful that I had RUE kind
of after the fact because of how much you have

(02:26:59):
to pour into everything at home and knowing that, you know,
your unbelievable wife has to sacrifice a lot of stuff
for us to chase our dream. And it's when I
was thinking about going out to Atlanta or playing, It's like, damn,
she's gonna have to do all this stuff that you
know in the off season you have to help out
on You're there, You're intentional, You're all of.

Speaker 4 (02:27:16):
It absolutely well. Like I don't mean to cut you off,
but like that's like right now, right like I'm we
start April twenty second, and I'm not going to move
my entire family out there for seven weeks or eight
weeks of the OTA period, So like she's going to
be here in Oregon for Monday through Thursdays by herself,
and it's basically she becomes like a single mother, right

(02:27:36):
and then I come pop in on Friday for the weekends.
And you know, it's just I don't think a lot
of people understand like what that is and how that
operates really on a day to day basis for a
lot of these families, because it's not just me, you know,
I mean guys like Zach Ertz and Bobby Wigner, like
they have kids, you know, that are on the West
Coast that they're going to be traveling back and forth too. Yeah,

(02:27:58):
and it's just one kind of sees the end product
on Sundays, but like it is, it's it is strenuous
on the families, and to have someone solid at home
to be able to take care of those things is
really important.

Speaker 1 (02:28:10):
It's such a unique balance of like having gratitude for
being able to do something that one percent of one
percent get to do right and also being as present
as you possibly can when you do get home, because
it's just like you got to turn like turn that
switch on.

Speaker 3 (02:28:22):
And coming home and probably want to kind of talk
about your day or practice, and you're then you kind
of like check yourself like.

Speaker 1 (02:28:26):
Right hip side too. Like I mean, Taylor had to
deal with that, you know, especially when I had win
shortly after that was like the ACL the bad season
and the like, so there was just like so much
turmoil and I was a shell of myself and I
would remember going like my knee would be hurting, I
have a bad game or something like that. And then
I go into the next week and have practice on
a Wednesday and come home and she's like, today was tough,

(02:28:48):
and selfishly, I'm thinking of myself like, bro, you don't
know how tough this is, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like obviously what they're doing is I know, I'm truly
trying to be as honest as possible. I was mentally
sure because I sit there and be like, bro, this
ship doesn't work and I have to go do things
that this needs to work for and it's just like
it's it's crazy how selfish you can get if you

(02:29:11):
like allow yourself to the Definitely, like towards the end
of my career, I was like I could look back
at that and be like wow, like I was very
selfish about me and everything that was wrong with me,
as opposed to like seeing what she was having to
go through. So it's yeah, having kids is definitely yeah, Yeah,
it definitely equalizes a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (02:29:29):
Should we hit them with the bud light question?

Speaker 1 (02:29:30):
We should? I want to see if Jack, we'll give Jack, We'll.

Speaker 3 (02:29:35):
Give Jack a moment. So you know, people do anything
for an ice cool, bud light, anything. What is something
that you would do anything for? Families off the table,
If we've learned anything about this podcast, we have to
take family off the table because that's where you'll go. Yeah,
so you got to take family off the table. And

(02:29:55):
what is something that you would do anything for?

Speaker 4 (02:30:00):
Give me an example, who's great question?

Speaker 1 (02:30:02):
Who had a good one? It wasn't Dale somebody. Yeah,
Steve Vanilla says, who does me? Eater was like, I
want to do a documentary that I don't think anybody
will ever care about, but I need to do the documentary.
He wouldn't tell us on camera. He told us off camera,
but he's like, that's what I would do anything for.

Speaker 4 (02:30:21):
Oh wow, I think mine's Actually it's a little bit interesting.
I guess maybe for me. But I would do anything
to go to It's called in the Publy Coast on Kuhi,
and they have these secluded beaches that you only get
to buy boat and I would do anything to get

(02:30:42):
there and have an empty lineup and my boogie board
and fins and just be there all day and catch
barrels and get shocked and not a worry in the world.

Speaker 3 (02:30:54):
That seems like a vibe dude, a boogie board that.

Speaker 1 (02:30:59):
Is solid.

Speaker 3 (02:31:00):
It's hard to think outside of the obviously, it's like,
especially with kids and everything else, family for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:31:09):
Oh see, this is the most nervous I've been all day.
I love that.

Speaker 5 (02:31:16):
I have a two par question, football related in the
non football one. It could be from high school, college
or pros. Who is your favorite teammate you ever had
and favorite coach?

Speaker 4 (02:31:25):
Can I say these guys are no, No, you cannot
say them. It's a cop out. But if you were
going to say that's an option for a part, well,
first of all, I mean he he probably has one
hundred thousand dollars in fines for me, so I really
enjoyed my time with him. Gosh, you know, put me
on the spot because I've played with so many great guys. Yeah,

(02:31:50):
it's probably my dog. Actually just retired offishally had his
retirement party on Sunday. Who's this ronness? GROSSU here's my
center here. Congratulations to him. By the way, got inducted
into the Oregon Hall of Fame University of Oregon Hall
of Fame one. I don't know how many offensive linemen

(02:32:11):
are in it, but yeah, so he's probably one of
very few. So we're pretty cool. But that's my guy
and been through a lot of things up and downs.
Had a great time at Oregon. But he was there
with me in Tennessee. I was also there with me
and with the Raiders, and yeah, just my guy, like
special dude, special family. And now he gets to be

(02:32:32):
a trophy husband. So congratulations, my guy. Favorite coach, Yes,
favorite coach, oh man, I would say Mark Helfrich. He
was my head coach here. He was also the offensive
coordinator when I got here. He taught me so much

(02:32:54):
more than just football, and I think to this day
that's why we're so close. He lives here in Eugene.
We play golf. You know, he's had had our families
over like He's just an unbelievable person who's been through
a lot. And I think like being able just to
have someone in your corner like that that you can

(02:33:15):
always rely on is special. And he probably had to. Honestly,
I could go on record and saying this, but he
probably had the worst team meetings. He was He's a
very smart guy and he would lose probably half the
room when he would go through some of his pregame speeches.
But for me, he was just unbelievable and I love

(02:33:39):
him to death, and yeah, he's just one of a kind.

Speaker 6 (02:33:43):
Amazing all Right, last question, non football related.

Speaker 5 (02:33:46):
You're back home, you go to the gas station, build
out your perfect hot plate.

Speaker 4 (02:33:52):
Well, I wouldn't go to a gas station because I'm
an ev guy, but I would say if I had
so back home in Hawaii, and they do spam subes,
so it's like it's spam on top of rice that's
wrapped with noddy or seaweed, So I'd have one of those,

(02:34:14):
and if you get lucky, you can get a little
egg or you know, something else on there. It's unbelievable,
no matter what you think, but it's great. And then
I would probably get along lines of like we caught

(02:34:34):
Kareean fried cheese, Korean fried chicken, so they do like
it's a like a sesame type of teriaki sauce and
they put some chili flakes in there, so I would
have that and a spamos sube. Beautiful. Thank you for
your time. Well hold on, wait, what would your hot
plate be? I've only had the experience of it once.

Speaker 5 (02:34:55):
My brother lives in Maui and has for ten years,
and I want to say it was some local just
some kind of pork, some macaroni salad cold obviously, and
uh yeah, I think it was just rise and hopefully
they just got.

Speaker 4 (02:35:11):
Some nice house sauce in their You is it all over?

Speaker 6 (02:35:14):
So I think that's probably a good howie play.

Speaker 4 (02:35:16):
But it's safe. It's safe.

Speaker 1 (02:35:18):
Yeah, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:35:20):
You don't have anything else, Jack.

Speaker 1 (02:35:22):
I've got my trivia after this. Okay, oh trivia, quick trivia.
Jack brought up palace. Is there really a beat up
Pala Day?

Speaker 4 (02:35:31):
My mom grew up on Kawhia beat up holidays. They
don't have it anymore, though, what is that?

Speaker 1 (02:35:36):
What is they's like white foreigner foreigner, No, it's white.
It's the white kids.

Speaker 3 (02:35:47):
They go to a day and get beat up.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
Yeah, like you go to school and it's like it's
a beat up Holla day, which, by the way, no
ship not even a fun name to go with it.
They should have like another cool beat.

Speaker 3 (02:35:57):
Yeah, and y'all just beat up the beat. We got
to initiate him.

Speaker 4 (02:36:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:36:04):
They roll the dice.

Speaker 3 (02:36:05):
This is real.

Speaker 1 (02:36:05):
Yeah, they roll the dice. The first dice is how
many minutes?

Speaker 4 (02:36:07):
The next second.

Speaker 10 (02:36:10):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (02:36:10):
Is the true to that?

Speaker 1 (02:36:11):
No? No, no, that's like a gang things like.

Speaker 3 (02:36:16):
Damn is this for real?

Speaker 4 (02:36:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:36:18):
So your mom took part in that, didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:36:21):
She she wouldn't go to school.

Speaker 1 (02:36:23):
That's sweet.

Speaker 3 (02:36:24):
Yeah, when it was beat up Hallie day, she just
would skip out on school. That seems right Marcus coming
from that.

Speaker 1 (02:36:31):
Yeah, he's got a good no doubt. What's all set
and down? Where you're in a living in Hawaii?

Speaker 4 (02:36:37):
Yep, I'll be three hundred pounds on a boogie board somewhere.
Come find me, man.

Speaker 3 (02:36:42):
This has been an incredible conversation. I legitimately appreciate it, man,
talking through the peaks and especially the valleys. Love the
transparency I do. It's like you know who you are, yeah,
and it's it's rare you get guys that you know
that want to sit in some of those uncomfortable spaces
and talk about it, you know, knowing it's going to

(02:37:02):
get viewed, and that's hard for a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (02:37:05):
And I do.

Speaker 3 (02:37:06):
I genuinely appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:37:07):
No, thank you, guys. We do it on the bus though. Yeah, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:37:11):
But hey, you've been we've been wanting to get you
locked in sin just the beginning, so it's like, hey,
we're gonna be out in Eugene. I just I just
I was driving home and I was just thought to myself,
I wonder for whatever reason, Marcus would be out in
uh in Oregon. Because you mentioned your boy, who's Ryan
fl Flarty. I remember listening to him on a podcast.

Speaker 4 (02:37:31):
He used to do all the Nike podcasts.

Speaker 3 (02:37:33):
Yeah, love hit stuff, shut out Ryan. But I just
remember thinking, like, I wonder if he'll be out there.
You're like yeap, until twenty second I'm like, buddy, it's time. Yeah. Yeah,
because we talk about it every year every year because
we were with him out what was it Vegas last year? Yep,
when when that little moment went down in the hotel
and I kind of had oh my god, yeah, you

(02:37:54):
kind of had to shut it down. That was two
years ago. Marcus loved that. He's like, hey, I got
this game. What's the game called.

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
It's called acucy.

Speaker 4 (02:38:05):
A C doucy pot.

Speaker 3 (02:38:07):
Did you tell your wife about this?

Speaker 4 (02:38:08):
No, now you're gonna get me in trouble.

Speaker 3 (02:38:10):
You you weren't. I don't think you got me that day.

Speaker 1 (02:38:14):
I think we all could well, we all could have
lost a lot of money. So if you were like, hey,
we can't do this, eone's like yeah, let's not do this.

Speaker 3 (02:38:20):
Because it got to a point that either ban or
somebody put their car in the middle. Because there was
so much money on the table.

Speaker 4 (02:38:26):
I forget the accy is like it's not even really skill,
it's just like what the cards come out.

Speaker 3 (02:38:32):
But this round it was going so long.

Speaker 4 (02:38:34):
Well, we kept hitting posts. So like basically ac deucy
works is you have to get in between the numbers.
So like if you get like a jack and a two,
like you want a number in between. If you go
outside of that, you have to pay whatever you bet.
If you hit a post, you have to double whatever
you bet. So people will say like pot and they'll
hit a post, so they'll hit jack or whatever the

(02:38:55):
other number was, and then they have to match the
pot and double it.

Speaker 3 (02:39:00):
Match the pot in double it. And there's so much
money because the way you explained, it's like, you know
it probably a couple of thousand. Yeah, we had to
split it up. We had to like, hey, let's just
get back to see ago.

Speaker 1 (02:39:17):
Yeah, two years ago. That was the one aria you.

Speaker 3 (02:39:20):
Yeah, you somebody put a car.

Speaker 4 (02:39:22):
You love the tables, I do. I would say, if
there if there's a vice in my life, it's gambling.

Speaker 1 (02:39:27):
Yeah, but you do it so responsibly.

Speaker 4 (02:39:29):
I tried to.

Speaker 1 (02:39:29):
Yeah, but I remember we would do old line trips
and you would come out and then some of the
boys would go out and they'd be like, yeah, Marcus
at seven am. When I got back, just on the
crafts table with like one hundred bucks, is like, we
just love playing.

Speaker 3 (02:39:44):
Well, have you heard about have you heard about our boy?

Speaker 1 (02:39:47):
You would love this.

Speaker 3 (02:39:48):
He's he's heavy on the gambling big really.

Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
Yeah. I got caught up with Dana and Dana was like, yeah,
black well it was blackjack, now it's baccarat. Oh and
an banker depends what the screen sets, and.

Speaker 3 (02:40:02):
We're talking how how hard the hands, the limits you
go the max?

Speaker 1 (02:40:06):
Yeah, so like one hand, one hand, thirty gets me
on the craps table to the crafts table. It's fun.
I feel it's more.

Speaker 3 (02:40:15):
Social that was back when we were just we get
some drinks, we're running the football, we're having the football.

Speaker 1 (02:40:23):
What's gonna happen here? Yeah? That was so much fun.
We were like there was like five or six of
us just sitting there, a.

Speaker 3 (02:40:28):
Few hundred dollars hands. Then we're up in the room
and all that. I don't know how much cash we had,
but it felt like it was like thirty or forty
thousand dollars in the middle, and then somebody wanted to
put a car in and nobody was hitting whatever the
term was, the post or the pot or somebody hit
the pot have to double it, and it was like, hey, fellas,
let's really yeah, let's just separate all this. Lets everybody
get money.

Speaker 4 (02:40:48):
Yeah, that was a terrifying that's right, that's right. Then
he lost it that night playing black Jass.

Speaker 3 (02:40:53):
Yeah is that Corey?

Speaker 4 (02:40:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:40:55):
Yeah, Corey Cory. The next morning, we like we like
shared a we shared a room, and uh, I come
out of my room and he's just standing We're like
up there in the hotel and he's just standing looking
out the blinds and like, all I say is Corey
and he just goes He's standing right there in his
briefs and he just goes, man, what are we chasing.

Speaker 4 (02:41:15):
Out of here?

Speaker 3 (02:41:18):
Well?

Speaker 4 (02:41:18):
He wont I mean he won a good amount of
money that day. And then I remember sitting at the
back table like that's all gone.

Speaker 1 (02:41:25):
Yeah, was that the same we do we go to
mister Chowles that night? Was that that same night?

Speaker 3 (02:41:30):
Yeah? We got either choles or pizza.

Speaker 1 (02:41:33):
Yeah, we went to chows and I think Mitch was like,
didn't Corey win ten thousand? And Corey's like slumped in
so sad, and so it's like, does that guy that's
one ten.

Speaker 4 (02:41:42):
Dollars You shouldn't laugh about that.

Speaker 1 (02:41:47):
No, he's all right. Corey's doing great, man, great. I
think he's back with the Titans. Yeah, I think is
he back?

Speaker 4 (02:41:52):
I think so, gosh, can't kill eight or nine.

Speaker 1 (02:41:57):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:41:58):
Man, I think he's going on eight.

Speaker 1 (02:42:00):
He didn't even play right.

Speaker 3 (02:42:01):
Yeah, I think he was like in the training camp
of Chicago. That's when you hit him with your built
like a muffin or something.

Speaker 1 (02:42:06):
Yeah, saved his career. We were playing we were playing
This is twenty twenty, so we were playing.

Speaker 3 (02:42:10):
Risk and it was in the middle of COVID, so
we're just waking games.

Speaker 1 (02:42:14):
Yeah, I would be in California. We play like I
was like one in the morning where I was at,
So i'd be three where you guys were at. And
we played three games of Risk in a row. And
Corey was talking one day, Oh, Corey, you're built like
a muffin.

Speaker 3 (02:42:24):
It's like going at and it got quiet, like it
was kind of awkward, like Dan Taylor's being kind of mean,
because I think Corey said something like a pencil and
he took.

Speaker 1 (02:42:30):
A photo and like, you know, you're building a pencil, Taylor.

Speaker 3 (02:42:33):
And then Taylor that night on the mic was just
ripping into him. Everybody just like oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:42:38):
The next day, like eight am, since it's a photo
of him at the field grinding.

Speaker 3 (02:42:45):
And credit now he looks in Credit was Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:42:49):
Now it's like hey, Corey, like you're welcome. Sometimes you
got a bullied kid to put him on. He needs
to go shout out Corey Len All right, let's lock
it up.

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