December 12, 2024 • 35 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain sit down with Mike Holmgren for the hour to talk about the Seahawks and Bill Belichick, plus NBC Sunday Night Football Analyst Cris Collinsworth joins the trio to look ahead to Sunday’s game vs. Green Bay.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
I believe this is two weeks in a row that
weed you in person. You'll be here next week too,
for three weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hope.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
So well wait, is this some going on?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
But if you guys still want me, well, I.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Will think about it.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
Is't that a winning streak?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Let's me. I gotta follow new eyes all yeah? Wow awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And also Chris Collinsworth is going to talk to you
in about fifteen minutes and then Chris Peterson is going
to call in a five twenty. So we got a
hell of a show, you do, I mean what the heck?
People are gonna be expecting this out of us every
single day. We gotta knock it off. But it's good
to see before we get into the NFL and again,
Chris Collinsworth will join us in about fifteen minutes from
now from the NFL and NBC. We're all old enough
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to remember him as a wide receiver for the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Back in the day. Sure, I think that's right. Most
people now remember him or know him as a broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Like I grew up watching John Madden and past Summer
all and I had no idea they were players until
I was like fifteen years old. I was like, what
they were in the NFL? The guy coach in the NFL,
he was a kicker? What are you talking about? So
we'll talk to Chris in about fifteen but we got
to get your thoughts on Bill Belichick to start. Oh,
I know, head coach at North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (01:33):
I was probably the most surprised guy in the room.
Honest to goodness, I didn't see that coming. Ian and
I talked a little bit about it yesterday and I
just before the announcement, I went on and on and
it's not going to happen. He's not going to do that.
He wants to coach in the NFL. Why would he
do that? Blah blah blah blah. Excuse me, Hold on,
someone ran into the room. He just took the job
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so much for what I know, But it's I don't know.
I was very surprised.
Speaker 8 (02:01):
Well, it doesn't seem like the NFL wanted him. I mean,
that's what we're that's what we're hearing from a lot
of different places.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
Well, you know what, and I could I kind of
understand that. The difference, one of the differences between the
NFL and college football is college what you don't have
an owner. You have an owner. Every team has an owner,
and he's he's the head guy, and then the coaches
have certain responsibilities that way. I think Bill wanted to
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be the owner and he now and now in college
football he is. I think he he can do what
he wants he could there he he doesn't have to
answer to anyone. I don't think that way like you
would in professional football. And then to your point, tick,
you know, I'm not sure there are a lot of
clubs willing to just hand the whole thing over to anybody.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Sure, so so you know him better than us. Obviously,
his buyout just came out today. What I say, July fir,
June first, June first. If he leaves before June first,
he owes North Carolina ten million dollars. If he leaves
after June first, he owes them a million dollars. I
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mean that is a wild swing from one year to
the next, from one day to next. Yeah, I mean
I've never seen that. So is he the kind of
guy that would take the job knowing that he's only
doing it for one reason, and that is to get
his son, Steve in the mix to become the head
coach at Carolina and either A he takes off right
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away and never coaches a damn game there, or B
he stays for a year and then leaves and pays
him a million bucks.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
No, I don't, of course I was. I was dead
wrong yesterday to him taking the job. Yeah, I don't
think he'd do that.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I really don't.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Why they went into a buyout situation like that is
beyond reason too for North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Why Carolina would agree to it, because that's them saying
that they're okay with him both thing after a year
and give him the job to his kids.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But it's not even they haven't played the game yet.
It's next June, right.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
This coming.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Yes, yes, he can leave for one million before he
ever coaches.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Before there's a game. No, I don't you know.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
It gets It gets crazier and crazier the more details
I know. I don't believe he'd do that.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
However, huh, three years three years from now?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
What are we looking at here for North Carolina football?
Three years from now? How successful is he still there?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Like?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
What?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
What is?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Is it a train wreck?
Speaker 8 (04:29):
Like what happens here in the next you know, thirty
six months.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
I think a lot will depend because he, you know,
he has to learn what what's happening in college football now.
He probably knows a lot after you know this last year.
He's probably studied it because he's the very bright guy,
and he.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Will spend a lot of time here with Jed Fitz.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That's how he approaches things.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Now.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
A huge thing will be his staff and who he
who is who will be the general manager?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Now? Every college team has one of those? Is is
he going to do that?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Lombard?
Speaker 7 (05:00):
I know him very well. We went way back with
the forty nine ers. Yeah, so that'll be interesting to me.
I think it depends on how the first year goes.
But then so he gets out, Let's say he gets out,
then what happens? It didn't work, you know where he
planned it that way the whole time, and now he's
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going to come back into the NFL.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Sure, Sure, it's it's it's.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Surprising to me because you know, listen, we're all wired differently.
When I decided to stop coaching, there were a lot
of reasons I did that. I just there were a
lot of reasons clearly he coached. He's he can't do
anything more in the NFL than he's already done, right,
you know, win another super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Okay, so now it's.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Nine or whatever it is. Yeah, so it just the
whole thing kind of surprises me a little bit.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Does he does he?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Because it kind of piqued my interests when you said
there's nothing left for him to prove. There kind of
is and that's that he can win without Brady. Does
that motivate him at all?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
It might?
Speaker 7 (06:02):
But then that that that's not an automatic thing. That's
that then you've got to be in some place for
a little while. Develop the quarterback, get a young guy. Yep,
so that doesn't happen automatically. Look at the Bears. Yeah,
first guy, they picked an awesome player.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It did work. It hasn't worked yet, it will at
some point, I think.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
But ah, if that's if that's what his thought process is,
that's that's that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
There's some faulty things today.
Speaker 9 (06:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
More on the Belichick thing, real quick? Would you hire
him in the NFL? I would Dick would know? Would
you hire him in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And I know him?
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Went very well? No, I said, I think his time
he was awesome. He was awesome. But now it's now
that the time has come where he should just enjoy
the rest of his life and do other things.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
She has, twenty four year old girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I don't know, do Dick and I agree on that?
And you don't?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeh?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Is that? What is that? What?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
What's the debate? Which is? What's that's normal? Right?
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Coach? That you and I know what?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know what? Now you mention it is kind of.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
What's the what's the debate?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Is it right or wrong? Or should he do it?
Not it?
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I'm not gonna say right or wrong, but I'm just saying,
is it weird? My granddaughter Emma is twenty four.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Okay, so he'd be dating your granddad.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Oh you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh you put it in terms like that. Yeah, geez man,
you're kind of creeping me out here. Hey, you know
what good for him? I mean, I don't know. I
mean they're not getting married, and if they do get married,
maybe there's a pre nump and maybe he just having
some fun.
Speaker 9 (07:34):
The hell.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean, it's more more weird. I think it's more
odd for her than it is for him, to be
honest with you, But whatever, Yeah, to each their own.
I don't judge Mike ever.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
No, no, what, never judge not lest she be judged correct.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
That's correct, And I'm Jewish and I understand.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
Soft Safty lives a very biblical life. A thousand percent
uh coach. We may have seen the best Seahawks performance,
the most complete Seahawks performance of the sea and the script,
the game plan, Gino's decisions much more conservative than they
usually are. Is that is what we saw, kind of
like the blueprint to get in this team in the
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playoffs and maybe winning a game or two.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
I think it is and I think, however, having said that,
I think I'll qualify it just a little. When Tyler
Murray threw the Tyler went through the two interceptions, game
was over.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, right over.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Then you're playing a you're playing a different game. You're
ahead by x amount of points. Okay, you don't have
to take chances, you don't have to force things. You
can play it a little differently. And I think that
conversation probably took place. And then also in Gino's mind,
I think, you know, I had a chance to talk
to him the other day at the facility, and I
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like him, you know that, And it was a great talk.
And he he played that way and he didn't take chances.
That's the one thing that's kind of cranked people up
this year because when he'll throw an interception, you go, oh, gee,
was he should have done that or taken a bad sacking.
He tries to make something happen that's not necessarily there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
We should we should get when we get Collinsworth on
great day to have him on because we can talk
about Bill Belichick and we'll ask him if he thinks
it's creepy.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He's got a twenty four year dolfriend, Chrit Christy. You
can ask that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
By the way, Chris collins Worth is going to join
the show next with Mike on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well joining us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It is our absolute pleasure NBC Sports, and we all
talked about how we're we're all enough to remember this
guy in the Super Bowl with the Bengals back in
the day. He's now a seventeen time Sports Emmy winning broadcaster.
Sunday Night football analyst Chris Collinsworth, who's gonna call the
Packers Seahawks on Sunday with Mike Trico five twenty pm
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on NBC and Peacock Chris Collinsworth is with us and Chris,
first of all, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
And then second of all, say hello to a.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, our friend
Mike Combrin.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I like his chances. I'll just put it at that
license chances there.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Thank you very much. It's great to talk with you.
Before we get into anything serious about football, I got
to tell you guys a story. When I was stop coaching,
they had me doing the Super Bowl. Who was I
doing it? With castus and Chris Collinsworth Yep. And I
was nervous, really nervous, and he took me under his
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wing and made it a great experience for me. But
then I realized I wasn't talented enough to do what
he's doing. You know, no, no, Chris, you remember that Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
You have talent on loan from God, as they used
to say, So I don't even want to hear that.
Oh yeah, I remember it well, I remember it well.
It was a lot of fun, it really was. I'm
excited for you, though, Mike. I'm really I really am
excited that that that.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
You're being recognized. It was funny.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
We were talking with Andy Reid last week before our game,
and I could we could barely get him off of you.
I'm like, yeah, we know, we got a home or
we got it. We got it. Shut up, man, we
need to move on. Ask a couple of questions like
come on, give it the breaker and what are you
doing to it? But there's a lot of love there.
There's a lot of love.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Really was well, I knew.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
You were going to talk to him, so I phoned
him up before you had to talk to him, and
I said, give me a good good you.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Know, talking nicely about me. You know, there you go.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Anyway, listen, the Seahawks are in a big game against
the Packers. You got the game, and they seem to
be their new coach. You know, when you get a
new coach, you know better than anybody, there takes some
time for everyone to kind of buy in and understand
the new part of what he's doing. And uh, you
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have studied, I know how you study for the games
and stuff. Talk to me about your feelings about Geno
right now, would you please?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Well, I mean, after what we saw that last game,
I think we all understand the power of if you
can run the football and what it does for you quarterback.
And you know, Charvion A having the kind of day
that he did and sort of that new look offensive
line up there and all the pulls and the counters
and the powers that we were being in that game.
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But for from Gino's standpoint, you know, he completes eighty
percent of his passes one hundred and ten quarterback rating,
no sacks, And you go, wait a minute, now, if.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
This is now the art of the possible.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
And this offensive line is coming together like this and they've.
Speaker 9 (12:31):
Won four games in a row, and you.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Take a little pressure off your quarterback and he doesn't
have to throw it forty times to win. Now, what
are the Seattle Seahawks, right, you know, it's a it's
a little different equation here, and it's actually a really
good matchup in my mind because I sort of put
Green Bay almost in that same category. You know, we
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have to we have to reserve maybe for i'll know,
the Detroit Lions of the world, some higher tier because
of what they've been able to do, Minnesota, whoever else
you want to Buffalo, put it through, Kansas City, put
those teams in there. But this is this is a
really good matchup to to take on a green Bay
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Packers team who's playing in that NFC North, which is
just the dominant division right now in football, and to
watch green Bay play against Detroit and.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
Almost it was like a playoff.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Kind of intensity in that game in Detroit a week ago.
So this is a really good, this is a really good,
let's find out about these two teams kind of game,
because these they're they're kind of in the same like
just a notch down maybe from the top of the pack,
but dangerous, you know, both dangerous.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, you know, I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I think Gino has been under criticism here during the
season a little bit for taking chances, but you know,
I up with Brett Favres, so nothing affects me too much.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know that way. But let me ask you this.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
In the college the offensive coordinator is a guy named
Ryan Grew and he came from Washington with Pennix and
they were lights out just doing stuff. Do you take
the transition? Do you think there is a growing period
for a college coach to come in to the NFL
and and you know, adjust to the way the NFL
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plays things.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I do. I think there's a big adjustment and probably
something that you'll understand better than anybody. It's it's protections.
You know that in college football you can you can
get by with a few things. Steve Spurrier found out
when he came in the NFL. And you guys as
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coaches are just so good. I mean, you don't miss
any details at all. And if you leave one flaw
in your protection and all of a sudden, now your
quarterback's getting hit and Zack fumble and the game's completely
turned around. And that's the way it goes sometimes. But
I really feel like that if they can stay on
this path, you know that how many times have we
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seen Tom Brady, you know, pull the backside guard and
it looks like a run play. It's the same exact motion.
All of a sudden he's raising up and throwing at
the gronk on that little crossing route. You know, it's
just it's hard to play both. That you have to
make people play both. You have to make them stop
your run or at least think about your run, and
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then you can get into all.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
These kinds of games.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
But when you can play those gap schemes and pull
people and really make your running game and passing game
sort of slow down a little bit with some of
those fakes and slow down those fast rushers, I think
it gives them a chance. And I don't know that
it's going to matter if it's sharbon A or Walker
running the football. If this offensive line keeps growing together
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and doing some things like they did last week, then maybe,
you know, this might be that late bloomer like Green
Bay was a year ago.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
You know, we are privileged today to be talking to
Chris Collingsworth on the radio show. And I remember, just
going back a little in history too, when he was
playing against me when.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I was with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Wow, in this Oh, no, and and people look at
you as this announcer now and you know this emmy
winning guy. But I remember it was a great pass
receiver that almost beat us in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
He had to get that in there, Chris, that little
dig right there? You like that?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
That? All that almost word has been chasing me my
whole life. I remember it twice. We lost to the
forty nine ers twice. And here's here's my only claim
to fame though, that you guys had won five Super
Bowls And I walked in there and I saw that
all the trophies, but the only.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
Two games that were closed were against the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
So that's it. That's as good as I got right there.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
They were great games.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
But uh, listen, we'd I'd be remiss if I didn't
ask you about the most outstanding coach in the NFL,
Bill Belichick, and what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Did I was?
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I was, well, I was shocked. But what did you?
What did you think? I?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Well, I've talked to a few college coaches who you know,
maybe he's underestimating the amount of chaos that's in college
football right now. That literally you have to recruit your
own players before you can recruit somebody else's players before
you can get to the high school players.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
And it's it's a madhouse out there right now.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
But you know, if there's anybody in the history of
this league that can remain calm and try and crack
the code on something that seems out of control, maybe
it's a bill.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
It's not the job I would have been personally looking for,
but I do think that there's a possibility that he
can run this as a business in a way that hasn't.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Been done before.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You know, Lombardi's going to be sort of the head
of personnel, if you will, and who knows what kind.
I'm sure he got some concessions on nil money as
far as how much can we spend because you think
there's no salary cap. You know, how badly do you
guys want to win a championship here. So it's going
to it's going to open some eyes, and it's also
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going to mean I'm going to be watching a lot
of college football next year too.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking, how you know he's
he's no spring chicken, just like some of us are.
The how long do you see him staying? Did you
see him being this mean his last stop.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You never know, right, You never know with him, And
it doesn't mean that you have to stay at any
point if somebody comes along. But I do think there's
maybe there's something a little bit freeing about taking a
college job not.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Being totally beholden.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Like it had to be hard on him last year
to not be offered one of those job openings in
the NFL, right, I mean that had to be rough,
Like what else does Bill Belichick have to prove that,
you know, he knows how to coach, and.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
He couldn't get a job that every job.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Was basically given to some hot thirty something year old
coordinator that you know is up and coming. And it's
the way it is. It's the way all of you
got jobs at one time or another, so you understand it.
But it also had to be a little bit tough,
I would think. And now he kind of controls his
own destiny in a place that he loves. His dad
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coach there and he grew up there as a little kid.
And and but maybe it's just something to take a
breath and step back, can go coach the eighteen year
olds and remember what you loved about football?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, Chris collins Worth is with us on the show
with Mike Holmrin and Chris.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
It's Dave, and I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know, Mike mentioned your wide receiver, you know, pedigree
back in the day about DK Metcalf. He's got one
more year left on his contract after this year, and
there's been a lot of conversation about whether or not
the Seahawks should re up.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Him to a big money deal. I mean Pro.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Football Focus, by the way, your site's got him grade
at thirty seventh right now, overall in the NFL, does
DK Metcalf strike you as a guy that when this
season comes to an end, you'd be willing, if you're
John Schneider to commit really big dollars to.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Well, I think you have to remember one thing that,
at least in my mind, the way I look at
it is it's all about drawing double teams or somebody
that can take off the double teams. So if you
have a wide receiver that draws double teams, that names
others have opportunities. And certainly we've JSN kind of take
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off here, right and we've seen Tyler Lockett and Noah
Fan and.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
The running game.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Now, So when you watch this team. They do adjust
for DK Metcalf. Early in the season, he was blowing
the top off of defenses if they want to play
single high. Probably part of the running success that they
had last week was because they felt like they had
to play two deep safeties in order to help on
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DK Metcalf. So it's not always the statistics, it's what
the team is doing. He certainly is a blocker, but
there just aren't many that God made like Dk Metcalf.
I mean, when he catches a deep ball and takes off,
you kind of gohoa, you know, like what was that? That?
Speaker 9 (21:49):
Just what just went biaus down the field?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
So, yeah, he's going to have a market. He's going
to make a ton of money. It's either going to
be in Seattle or somewhere else. But those people who
draw double teams are hard to find.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
Chris is Dick, we really appreciate you joining us tonight.
How long does it take for you to assess whether
a first time head coach is going to work? And
have you reached that point yet with Mike McDonald, Well.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I really like Mike McDonald. Last year I got to
know him as a coordinator, so that was fun for me.
And I knew the reaction and the way that people
were around him, and so it did not surprise me.
As a matter of fact, I was pretty high when
I get a lot of owners and general managers who
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called me about coaches because I know all the I
know all the assistants, you know, I know all the
every week I talked to the coordinators. So I get
a lot of those phone calls. And you know, some
people present themselves as head coaches. Others are you know
better where they are, you know, designing plays in a
back room somewhere. I thought Mike from the beginning proved
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that he would He was the kind of guy you
would stand up in front of a group of young
men and that he could lead them.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
And it's it's it's a special trait, you know. I mean,
Mike had it.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Mike was uh, you know, not just mentally but physically.
It could stand up in front of a group of
men that were ready to go to battle, and he
was the general, you know, and everybody knew it. And
I think that Mike has those same qualities. But also
like Mike has the ability to draw him up and
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then call them you know, those are those are those
are tough things to be able.
Speaker 9 (23:37):
To do all at once. That's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Jobs and and so yeah, I think they're going to
do really well. And the idea that you come in
with a group of three new coordinators, uh, and it's
working this early in a good division. I mean, I
think almost everybody thought that West was going to be
a really tough division San Francisco probably at the front
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end of it. But it's quite a statement to come
in and do what they've done, especially in the last month.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You know, Chris is Mike you when you talk. You
talked to my adopted son last week, Andy Reid, and
you've we've studied I know how you study film. Kansas
City's played there. They really only lost one games, but
they've played a lot of close games. When you look
when you studied them, did you see a difference from
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maybe last year or what's what's what's with that team
right now?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
For the last two years, Mike, they've really been a
defensive football team. Stavespagnolo has done a great job over there.
Chris Jones, some of those guys are Uh, they've they've
been the dominant part of that team and we got
used to uh, you know, Tyreek Hill and seeing those
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guys going deep and and hitting big plays. But the
entire league has changed now, and maybe in part because
of Kansas City and the bombs away mode that they
were playing three or four years ago. Everybody's playing too deep,
playing quarters, just not letting big plays happen and basically
allowing you know, playing six guys in the box, and
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anybody who wants to run for five yards can pretty
much do it whenever they want to. In the league
right now, the problem is you have to be able
to go ten twelve plays, not make a mistake, not
have a holding call, not fumble the ball, not throw
an interception, and so but that sort of slow death
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on defense is becoming the norm now that everybody is playing,
and so it's not white as.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
Dynamic as it once was.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
And I'm sure that for DK Metcalf, he knows the
feeling that, you know, if they want to take away
these great targets down the field, they pretty much can.
And so I think what you're seeing is that games
are shorter, games are closer, and you know, instead of
twelve possessions.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
In a game, you might end up with ten or nine.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And what do you do with those and so the
ball becomes very precious. And for that reason, I think
you're seeing Kansas City in a lot of close games.
But the one thing you cannot deny is that Patrick
mahomes In at the end of those games has been maybe.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Better than he's ever been.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
I mean, it's like a guy, a pitcher on a
ten game winning.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Streak when the matters most, he's throwing it.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
He's running it, he's making decisions to win games. And
that's that's tough to beat and play af football.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Yeah, in your meetings and stuff, did you get a
chance to meet Taylor Swift by any chances?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Well, she asked to meet me several times, but I
just didn't have the time.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
You know, Hey, listen, it's really nice talking with you,
and thank you so much for coming on the show.
I know you got a busy week ahead of you
and I'm not going to be at the game, but
I'll be listening to you on Sunday night. So guys,
this is one of the good guys.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, and you know what, Hey, Chris, if you don't mind,
I'm going to interrupt Mike for a second and he's
going to kill me for doing this. We started off
the show by talking about our guy here being a
finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And we've been waiting and waiting and waiting for years.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's been frustrating for us, Chris that we think that
lesser coaches are going in before him.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
But whatever happens is the way it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Can you leave us before you go with a thought
on what this guy, Tom I right here Chris has
meant to Pro football and why he belongs in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Well, except for the son of a gun beat me in.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
The Super Bowl, everything he's done.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Has been right, And I know he's you know, you
got to start for me with San Francisco and what
he established there with that dynasty, and then of course
you go on to Green Bay and Championship and Seattle
and Super Bowls and all that goes with it. But
I also think that you look at the legacy of
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coaches that were trained by Mike and some of the
best of the best that are around the National Football League,
and they all say the same thing about you, and
that is that you challenged them to be better.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
You challenged them and forced.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Them to compete with other coaches inside the organization to
get a play yet, I mean just one play, like
it was considered gold if they could draw up a
play that madeor Paul sheet and that you actually called.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
In a game. And they had side.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Bets going, they had arguments, they had fights, but then
all of a sudden, those coaches became great coaches and
they all point right back to you. And I think
that's the obvious sign that the greatest of the great
belonging to Hall of Fame. And so do you.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Well, you know what, thank you, thank you so much.
That's very nice and I appreciate it. And like I said,
good luck the rest of the season. Say lo to
Trico for me, and have a good game Sunday night.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
Great darn you guys.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That a great night.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Thanks Chris. Chris collins Worth there with us on the
on the show.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I think he's the best right now in the NFL's
fantastics far as colnbelieved.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Plus he really studies.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
It, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
When I was doing those things, and we'd bump into
each other in the stadium when I was don't do
West with stuff, and he'd go, what do you think
about that? He'd start to we'd start talking about stuff,
you know that we saw on films. Yeah, that's just
how he approaches it. And and you could you could
hear it right now.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well, and I think he should do the radio show
because I helped pay his salary. I give him twelve
bucks a month for my PFF some script more with
Mike Combrian. Chris Peterson's gonna join us in five point
twenty tonight right here on ninety three three kJ R FM,
Mike Combrin's with us.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That was great with Chris Collinsworth, by the way, first
of all, kudos to you. That was really awesome to
have him on the radio show. Get to talk about
the opponent much on Sunday the Packers. What do you
make of Jordan Love? What do you think of this
Green Bay team that we'll see on Sunday night?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know, And I really like him. The team first
of all is really good.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Uh, they're in the you know, they they're in the
division with Minnesota and Detroit.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
But that's a good division. And Jordan Love I really liked.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
I think if he's talented, he has all the physical qualities,
you know, and he hasn't played. He hasn't played that much.
This is like his third year of actually playing, you know.
And I've always said, if it takes three years to
really with the same coach in the same system, then
you kind of hit it, you kind of hit your stride.
And he's already shown what he can do. Now they
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get the running game going. They're a good team, you know,
they're and I think Mike, I think Lafleur is a
good coach, so uh, I think the Seahawks have their
work cut out for him. Yeah, but you know, we
talked about it earlier. Maybe you guys talked about it
earlier before I got here, But Lumenfield I always thought
it was a tremendous advantage for us.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, we didn't lose.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
They're sixteen and sixteen now in their last thirty two
games with fans since COVID.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
You know, it's just I don't have a good answer
for that. You guys you were at the games. I
don't go to the games. But they still loud. They're
still loud, aren't they.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
They're still loud. They're just a higher percentage of road teams.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I think it's just because the tickets are so much
easier for road fans to get, oh now than they
were when you were coaching. That you can just go online,
you know you're a Packer fan and get buy a
ticket to Seattle, fly on out and I get I
can guarantee myself a ticket where that doesn't wasn't necessarily
true twenty years ago.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
No, no, they it was a tough ticket to get. And
when we got when the Twelves started, when that the Twelves, Yeah,
well Todd Wicky, I give him credit for sitting for that.
Then it got to be and we got to be
a better team. Sunday that that place was nuts. Joe
Gibbs told me his last game was there. Yeah, you know,
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you gotta tell me you pumped the noise. No we didn't,
We didn't, but they said it was you couldn't hear yourself.
You couldn't hear and it affected everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Why are you weighing on a question that you asked
Chris about Ryan Grubb? What was the difference last Sunday
against Arizona? And the offense looked totally different, Charbonney looked amazing.
The offensive line was actually blocking people.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
What happened?
Speaker 7 (32:16):
I have a theory about that as good as Kenny
Walker is, and he is really good two different backs.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And there have been games where Ice.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Watch Walker play and he'll he'll hit a hole and
then he'll jump to the other side or you know,
you see him do that a lot and sometimes it
works and it's a really good one.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
A lot of times he.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Gets tackled for a one yard game or yeah, Charbonney
doesn't redesn't run like that. He hits the hole and
he I can get four yards, I can get five yards,
you know. And then what Chris said, a lot of
teams are playing that, you know, that too deep look
and they don't have as many guys in the box.
And that's good. Four or five yards. Now you're second
and five, now you're third and one, you know. And
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I think Charbonay, he hit the hole and it helps
their offensive line. That stuff helps their offensive line.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Well, they change their blocking scheme as well.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
I mean they went I think I read where they
went from a sixty five percent zone blocking team to
a sixty five percent gap blocking scheme in one game.
It's like, how unusual is that that you would just say, hey,
we're going to run a completely different scheme.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Two thirds of the time than we used.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
To do with an offensive line. I think that's almost impossible.
But they've had But but they've had a lot of
changes in the offensive line. So if you know, you
have a guy an offensive line, have been there a
long time, and you all of a sudden you're gonna
do it this way, they get used to doing it
that way. That's the way we do it. Those are
the calls that Tobec made, you know, with the line
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and different things. They they've had changes, so they finally,
they finally They may have said also they might have
had something to do with Walker not playing right right,
you know, But to do that in a week fick
to go from you know, a zone blocking team to
a you know, a gap blocking team of that, that's
not easy, but clearly it worked for them.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Are you in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Are you suggesting, I know we're later you got to go.
Are you suggesting that, because of the current state of
the offensive line, that maybe Zach Sharpernay is a better
back for this current situation they're in.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
No, I think Ken Walker is is who can I
love Kenny Walker? I mean, I mean he is really good,
But I'm just saying, if you can hit the hole
and hit it and maybe get in not those second
and long situations, or you know, avoid those you talked about, grub,
then he can call you can call the game differently. Yeah,
and so I know Walker is a great back.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Hey, good stuff, Thanks for doing this. We'll see you
next week and then we're off for Christmas week. Give
me a favorite when you get home. Ask Kathy what
she thinks about Beblichick having a twenty four year old girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
We talked about it, set me. We talked about this morning.
What you say or no I should say. I listened
about it.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I think we got our answer. All right, good stuff,
We'll see you in a week. Man, All right, Mike
Hombrown with Sorry, that's Mike, Mike Hombrown with us on
the air.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We're gonna break.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
I believe this is two weeks in a row that
weed you in person. You'll be here next week too,
for three weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hope.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
So well wait, is this some going on?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
But if you guys still want me, well, I.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Will think about it.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
Is't that a winning streak?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Let's me. I gotta follow new eyes all yeah? Wow awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And also Chris Collinsworth is going to talk to you
in about fifteen minutes and then Chris Peterson is going
to call in a five twenty. So we got a
hell of a show, you do, I mean what the heck?
People are gonna be expecting this out of us every
single day. We gotta knock it off. But it's good
to see before we get into the NFL and again,
Chris Collinsworth will join us in about fifteen minutes from
now from the NFL and NBC. We're all old enough
(01:07):
to remember him as a wide receiver for the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Back in the day. Sure, I think that's right. Most
people now remember him or know him as a broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Like I grew up watching John Madden and past Summer
all and I had no idea they were players until
I was like fifteen years old. I was like, what
they were in the NFL? The guy coach in the NFL,
he was a kicker? What are you talking about? So
we'll talk to Chris in about fifteen but we got
to get your thoughts on Bill Belichick to start. Oh,
I know, head coach at North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (01:33):
I was probably the most surprised guy in the room.
Honest to goodness, I didn't see that coming. Ian and
I talked a little bit about it yesterday and I
just before the announcement, I went on and on and
it's not going to happen. He's not going to do that.
He wants to coach in the NFL. Why would he
do that? Blah blah blah blah. Excuse me, Hold on,
someone ran into the room. He just took the job
(01:55):
so much for what I know, But it's I don't know.
I was very surprised.
Speaker 8 (02:01):
Well, it doesn't seem like the NFL wanted him. I mean,
that's what we're that's what we're hearing from a lot
of different places.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
Well, you know what, and I could I kind of
understand that. The difference, one of the differences between the
NFL and college football is college what you don't have
an owner. You have an owner. Every team has an owner,
and he's he's the head guy, and then the coaches
have certain responsibilities that way. I think Bill wanted to
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be the owner and he now and now in college
football he is. I think he he can do what
he wants he could there he he doesn't have to
answer to anyone. I don't think that way like you
would in professional football. And then to your point, tick,
you know, I'm not sure there are a lot of
clubs willing to just hand the whole thing over to anybody.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Sure, so so you know him better than us. Obviously,
his buyout just came out today. What I say, July fir,
June first, June first. If he leaves before June first,
he owes North Carolina ten million dollars. If he leaves
after June first, he owes them a million dollars. I
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mean that is a wild swing from one year to
the next, from one day to next. Yeah, I mean
I've never seen that. So is he the kind of
guy that would take the job knowing that he's only
doing it for one reason, and that is to get
his son, Steve in the mix to become the head
coach at Carolina and either A he takes off right
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away and never coaches a damn game there, or B
he stays for a year and then leaves and pays
him a million bucks.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
No, I don't, of course I was. I was dead
wrong yesterday to him taking the job. Yeah, I don't
think he'd do that.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I really don't.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Why they went into a buyout situation like that is
beyond reason too for North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Why Carolina would agree to it, because that's them saying
that they're okay with him both thing after a year
and give him the job to his kids.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But it's not even they haven't played the game yet.
It's next June, right.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
This coming.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Yes, yes, he can leave for one million before he
ever coaches.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Before there's a game. No, I don't you know.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
It gets It gets crazier and crazier the more details
I know. I don't believe he'd do that.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
However, huh, three years three years from now?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
What are we looking at here for North Carolina football?
Three years from now? How successful is he still there?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Like?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
What?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
What is?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Is it a train wreck?
Speaker 8 (04:29):
Like what happens here in the next you know, thirty
six months.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
I think a lot will depend because he, you know,
he has to learn what what's happening in college football now.
He probably knows a lot after you know this last year.
He's probably studied it because he's the very bright guy,
and he.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Will spend a lot of time here with Jed Fitz.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That's how he approaches things.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Now.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
A huge thing will be his staff and who he
who is who will be the general manager?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Now? Every college team has one of those? Is is
he going to do that?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Lombard?
Speaker 7 (05:00):
I know him very well. We went way back with
the forty nine ers. Yeah, so that'll be interesting to me.
I think it depends on how the first year goes.
But then so he gets out, Let's say he gets out,
then what happens? It didn't work, you know where he
planned it that way the whole time, and now he's
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going to come back into the NFL.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Sure, Sure, it's it's it's.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Surprising to me because you know, listen, we're all wired differently.
When I decided to stop coaching, there were a lot
of reasons I did that. I just there were a
lot of reasons clearly he coached. He's he can't do
anything more in the NFL than he's already done, right,
you know, win another super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Okay, so now it's.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Nine or whatever it is. Yeah, so it just the
whole thing kind of surprises me a little bit.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Does he does he?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Because it kind of piqued my interests when you said
there's nothing left for him to prove. There kind of
is and that's that he can win without Brady. Does
that motivate him at all?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
It might?
Speaker 7 (06:02):
But then that that that's not an automatic thing. That's
that then you've got to be in some place for
a little while. Develop the quarterback, get a young guy. Yep,
so that doesn't happen automatically. Look at the Bears. Yeah,
first guy, they picked an awesome player.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It did work. It hasn't worked yet, it will at
some point, I think.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
But ah, if that's if that's what his thought process is,
that's that's that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
There's some faulty things today.
Speaker 9 (06:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
More on the Belichick thing, real quick? Would you hire
him in the NFL? I would Dick would know? Would
you hire him in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And I know him?
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Went very well? No, I said, I think his time
he was awesome. He was awesome. But now it's now
that the time has come where he should just enjoy
the rest of his life and do other things.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
She has, twenty four year old girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I don't know, do Dick and I agree on that?
And you don't?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeh?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Is that? What is that? What?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
What's the debate? Which is? What's that's normal? Right?
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Coach? That you and I know what?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know what? Now you mention it is kind of.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
What's the what's the debate?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Is it right or wrong? Or should he do it?
Not it?
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I'm not gonna say right or wrong, but I'm just saying,
is it weird? My granddaughter Emma is twenty four.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Okay, so he'd be dating your granddad.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Oh you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh you put it in terms like that. Yeah, geez man,
you're kind of creeping me out here. Hey, you know
what good for him? I mean, I don't know. I
mean they're not getting married, and if they do get married,
maybe there's a pre nump and maybe he just having
some fun.
Speaker 9 (07:34):
The hell.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean, it's more more weird. I think it's more
odd for her than it is for him, to be
honest with you, But whatever, Yeah, to each their own.
I don't judge Mike ever.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
No, no, what, never judge not lest she be judged correct.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
That's correct, And I'm Jewish and I understand.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
Soft Safty lives a very biblical life. A thousand percent
uh coach. We may have seen the best Seahawks performance,
the most complete Seahawks performance of the sea and the script,
the game plan, Gino's decisions much more conservative than they
usually are. Is that is what we saw, kind of
like the blueprint to get in this team in the
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playoffs and maybe winning a game or two.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
I think it is and I think, however, having said that,
I think I'll qualify it just a little. When Tyler
Murray threw the Tyler went through the two interceptions, game
was over.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, right over.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Then you're playing a you're playing a different game. You're
ahead by x amount of points. Okay, you don't have
to take chances, you don't have to force things. You
can play it a little differently. And I think that
conversation probably took place. And then also in Gino's mind,
I think, you know, I had a chance to talk
to him the other day at the facility, and I
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like him, you know that, And it was a great talk.
And he he played that way and he didn't take chances.
That's the one thing that's kind of cranked people up
this year because when he'll throw an interception, you go, oh, gee,
was he should have done that or taken a bad sacking.
He tries to make something happen that's not necessarily there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
We should we should get when we get Collinsworth on
great day to have him on because we can talk
about Bill Belichick and we'll ask him if he thinks
it's creepy.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He's got a twenty four year dolfriend, Chrit Christy. You
can ask that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
By the way, Chris collins Worth is going to join
the show next with Mike on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well joining us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It is our absolute pleasure NBC Sports, and we all
talked about how we're we're all enough to remember this
guy in the Super Bowl with the Bengals back in
the day. He's now a seventeen time Sports Emmy winning broadcaster.
Sunday Night football analyst Chris Collinsworth, who's gonna call the
Packers Seahawks on Sunday with Mike Trico five twenty pm
(09:41):
on NBC and Peacock Chris Collinsworth is with us and Chris,
first of all, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
And then second of all, say hello to a.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, our friend
Mike Combrin.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I like his chances. I'll just put it at that
license chances there.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Thank you very much. It's great to talk with you.
Before we get into anything serious about football, I got
to tell you guys a story. When I was stop coaching,
they had me doing the Super Bowl. Who was I
doing it? With castus and Chris Collinsworth Yep. And I
was nervous, really nervous, and he took me under his
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wing and made it a great experience for me. But
then I realized I wasn't talented enough to do what
he's doing. You know, no, no, Chris, you remember that Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
You have talent on loan from God, as they used
to say, So I don't even want to hear that.
Oh yeah, I remember it well, I remember it well.
It was a lot of fun, it really was. I'm
excited for you, though, Mike. I'm really I really am
excited that that that.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
You're being recognized. It was funny.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
We were talking with Andy Reid last week before our game,
and I could we could barely get him off of you.
I'm like, yeah, we know, we got a home or
we got it. We got it. Shut up, man, we
need to move on. Ask a couple of questions like
come on, give it the breaker and what are you
doing to it? But there's a lot of love there.
There's a lot of love.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Really was well, I knew.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
You were going to talk to him, so I phoned
him up before you had to talk to him, and
I said, give me a good good you.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Know, talking nicely about me. You know, there you go.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Anyway, listen, the Seahawks are in a big game against
the Packers. You got the game, and they seem to
be their new coach. You know, when you get a
new coach, you know better than anybody, there takes some
time for everyone to kind of buy in and understand
the new part of what he's doing. And uh, you
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have studied, I know how you study for the games
and stuff. Talk to me about your feelings about Geno
right now, would you please?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Well, I mean, after what we saw that last game,
I think we all understand the power of if you
can run the football and what it does for you quarterback.
And you know, Charvion A having the kind of day
that he did and sort of that new look offensive
line up there and all the pulls and the counters
and the powers that we were being in that game.
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But for from Gino's standpoint, you know, he completes eighty
percent of his passes one hundred and ten quarterback rating,
no sacks, And you go, wait a minute, now, if.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
This is now the art of the possible.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
And this offensive line is coming together like this and they've.
Speaker 9 (12:31):
Won four games in a row, and you.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Take a little pressure off your quarterback and he doesn't
have to throw it forty times to win. Now, what
are the Seattle Seahawks, right, you know, it's a it's
a little different equation here, and it's actually a really
good matchup in my mind because I sort of put
Green Bay almost in that same category. You know, we
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have to we have to reserve maybe for i'll know,
the Detroit Lions of the world, some higher tier because
of what they've been able to do, Minnesota, whoever else
you want to Buffalo, put it through, Kansas City, put
those teams in there. But this is this is a
really good matchup to to take on a green Bay
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Packers team who's playing in that NFC North, which is
just the dominant division right now in football, and to
watch green Bay play against Detroit and.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
Almost it was like a playoff.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Kind of intensity in that game in Detroit a week ago.
So this is a really good, this is a really good,
let's find out about these two teams kind of game,
because these they're they're kind of in the same like
just a notch down maybe from the top of the pack,
but dangerous, you know, both dangerous.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, you know, I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I think Gino has been under criticism here during the
season a little bit for taking chances, but you know,
I up with Brett Favres, so nothing affects me too much.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know that way. But let me ask you this.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
In the college the offensive coordinator is a guy named
Ryan Grew and he came from Washington with Pennix and
they were lights out just doing stuff. Do you take
the transition? Do you think there is a growing period
for a college coach to come in to the NFL
and and you know, adjust to the way the NFL
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plays things.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I do. I think there's a big adjustment and probably
something that you'll understand better than anybody. It's it's protections.
You know that in college football you can you can
get by with a few things. Steve Spurrier found out
when he came in the NFL. And you guys as
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coaches are just so good. I mean, you don't miss
any details at all. And if you leave one flaw
in your protection and all of a sudden, now your
quarterback's getting hit and Zack fumble and the game's completely
turned around. And that's the way it goes sometimes. But
I really feel like that if they can stay on
this path, you know that how many times have we
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seen Tom Brady, you know, pull the backside guard and
it looks like a run play. It's the same exact motion.
All of a sudden he's raising up and throwing at
the gronk on that little crossing route. You know, it's
just it's hard to play both. That you have to
make people play both. You have to make them stop
your run or at least think about your run, and
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then you can get into all.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
These kinds of games.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
But when you can play those gap schemes and pull
people and really make your running game and passing game
sort of slow down a little bit with some of
those fakes and slow down those fast rushers, I think
it gives them a chance. And I don't know that
it's going to matter if it's sharbon A or Walker
running the football. If this offensive line keeps growing together
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and doing some things like they did last week, then maybe,
you know, this might be that late bloomer like Green
Bay was a year ago.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
You know, we are privileged today to be talking to
Chris Collingsworth on the radio show. And I remember, just
going back a little in history too, when he was
playing against me when.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I was with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Wow, in this Oh, no, and and people look at
you as this announcer now and you know this emmy
winning guy. But I remember it was a great pass
receiver that almost beat us in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
He had to get that in there, Chris, that little
dig right there? You like that?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
That? All that almost word has been chasing me my
whole life. I remember it twice. We lost to the
forty nine ers twice. And here's here's my only claim
to fame though, that you guys had won five Super
Bowls And I walked in there and I saw that
all the trophies, but the only.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
Two games that were closed were against the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
So that's it. That's as good as I got right there.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
They were great games.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
But uh, listen, we'd I'd be remiss if I didn't
ask you about the most outstanding coach in the NFL,
Bill Belichick, and what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Did I was?
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I was, well, I was shocked. But what did you?
What did you think? I?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Well, I've talked to a few college coaches who you know,
maybe he's underestimating the amount of chaos that's in college
football right now. That literally you have to recruit your
own players before you can recruit somebody else's players before
you can get to the high school players.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
And it's it's a madhouse out there right now.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
But you know, if there's anybody in the history of
this league that can remain calm and try and crack
the code on something that seems out of control, maybe
it's a bill.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
It's not the job I would have been personally looking for,
but I do think that there's a possibility that he
can run this as a business in a way that hasn't.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Been done before.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You know, Lombardi's going to be sort of the head
of personnel, if you will, and who knows what kind.
I'm sure he got some concessions on nil money as
far as how much can we spend because you think
there's no salary cap. You know, how badly do you
guys want to win a championship here. So it's going
to it's going to open some eyes, and it's also
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going to mean I'm going to be watching a lot
of college football next year too.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking, how you know he's
he's no spring chicken, just like some of us are.
The how long do you see him staying? Did you
see him being this mean his last stop.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You never know, right, You never know with him, And
it doesn't mean that you have to stay at any
point if somebody comes along. But I do think there's
maybe there's something a little bit freeing about taking a
college job not.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Being totally beholden.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Like it had to be hard on him last year
to not be offered one of those job openings in
the NFL, right, I mean that had to be rough,
Like what else does Bill Belichick have to prove that,
you know, he knows how to coach, and.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
He couldn't get a job that every job.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Was basically given to some hot thirty something year old
coordinator that you know is up and coming. And it's
the way it is. It's the way all of you
got jobs at one time or another, so you understand it.
But it also had to be a little bit tough,
I would think. And now he kind of controls his
own destiny in a place that he loves. His dad
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coach there and he grew up there as a little kid.
And and but maybe it's just something to take a
breath and step back, can go coach the eighteen year
olds and remember what you loved about football?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, Chris collins Worth is with us on the show
with Mike Holmrin and Chris.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
It's Dave, and I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know, Mike mentioned your wide receiver, you know, pedigree
back in the day about DK Metcalf. He's got one
more year left on his contract after this year, and
there's been a lot of conversation about whether or not
the Seahawks should re up.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Him to a big money deal. I mean Pro.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Football Focus, by the way, your site's got him grade
at thirty seventh right now, overall in the NFL, does
DK Metcalf strike you as a guy that when this
season comes to an end, you'd be willing, if you're
John Schneider to commit really big dollars to.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Well, I think you have to remember one thing that,
at least in my mind, the way I look at
it is it's all about drawing double teams or somebody
that can take off the double teams. So if you
have a wide receiver that draws double teams, that names
others have opportunities. And certainly we've JSN kind of take
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off here, right and we've seen Tyler Lockett and Noah
Fan and.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
The running game.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Now, So when you watch this team. They do adjust
for DK Metcalf. Early in the season, he was blowing
the top off of defenses if they want to play
single high. Probably part of the running success that they
had last week was because they felt like they had
to play two deep safeties in order to help on
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DK Metcalf. So it's not always the statistics, it's what
the team is doing. He certainly is a blocker, but
there just aren't many that God made like Dk Metcalf.
I mean, when he catches a deep ball and takes off,
you kind of gohoa, you know, like what was that? That?
Speaker 9 (21:49):
Just what just went biaus down the field?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
So, yeah, he's going to have a market. He's going
to make a ton of money. It's either going to
be in Seattle or somewhere else. But those people who
draw double teams are hard to find.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
Chris is Dick, we really appreciate you joining us tonight.
How long does it take for you to assess whether
a first time head coach is going to work? And
have you reached that point yet with Mike McDonald, Well.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I really like Mike McDonald. Last year I got to
know him as a coordinator, so that was fun for me.
And I knew the reaction and the way that people
were around him, and so it did not surprise me.
As a matter of fact, I was pretty high when
I get a lot of owners and general managers who
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called me about coaches because I know all the I
know all the assistants, you know, I know all the
every week I talked to the coordinators. So I get
a lot of those phone calls. And you know, some
people present themselves as head coaches. Others are you know
better where they are, you know, designing plays in a
back room somewhere. I thought Mike from the beginning proved
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that he would He was the kind of guy you
would stand up in front of a group of young
men and that he could lead them.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
And it's it's it's a special trait, you know. I mean,
Mike had it.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Mike was uh, you know, not just mentally but physically.
It could stand up in front of a group of
men that were ready to go to battle, and he
was the general, you know, and everybody knew it. And
I think that Mike has those same qualities. But also
like Mike has the ability to draw him up and
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then call them you know, those are those are those
are tough things to be able.
Speaker 9 (23:37):
To do all at once. That's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Jobs and and so yeah, I think they're going to
do really well. And the idea that you come in
with a group of three new coordinators, uh, and it's
working this early in a good division. I mean, I
think almost everybody thought that West was going to be
a really tough division San Francisco probably at the front
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end of it. But it's quite a statement to come
in and do what they've done, especially in the last month.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You know, Chris is Mike you when you talk. You
talked to my adopted son last week, Andy Reid, and
you've we've studied I know how you study film. Kansas
City's played there. They really only lost one games, but
they've played a lot of close games. When you look
when you studied them, did you see a difference from
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maybe last year or what's what's what's with that team
right now?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
For the last two years, Mike, they've really been a
defensive football team. Stavespagnolo has done a great job over there.
Chris Jones, some of those guys are Uh, they've they've
been the dominant part of that team and we got
used to uh, you know, Tyreek Hill and seeing those
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guys going deep and and hitting big plays. But the
entire league has changed now, and maybe in part because
of Kansas City and the bombs away mode that they
were playing three or four years ago. Everybody's playing too deep,
playing quarters, just not letting big plays happen and basically
allowing you know, playing six guys in the box, and
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anybody who wants to run for five yards can pretty
much do it whenever they want to. In the league
right now, the problem is you have to be able
to go ten twelve plays, not make a mistake, not
have a holding call, not fumble the ball, not throw
an interception, and so but that sort of slow death
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on defense is becoming the norm now that everybody is playing,
and so it's not white as.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
Dynamic as it once was.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
And I'm sure that for DK Metcalf, he knows the
feeling that, you know, if they want to take away
these great targets down the field, they pretty much can.
And so I think what you're seeing is that games
are shorter, games are closer, and you know, instead of
twelve possessions.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
In a game, you might end up with ten or nine.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And what do you do with those and so the
ball becomes very precious. And for that reason, I think
you're seeing Kansas City in a lot of close games.
But the one thing you cannot deny is that Patrick
mahomes In at the end of those games has been maybe.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Better than he's ever been.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
I mean, it's like a guy, a pitcher on a
ten game winning.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Streak when the matters most, he's throwing it.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
He's running it, he's making decisions to win games. And
that's that's tough to beat and play af football.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Yeah, in your meetings and stuff, did you get a
chance to meet Taylor Swift by any chances?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Well, she asked to meet me several times, but I
just didn't have the time.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
You know, Hey, listen, it's really nice talking with you,
and thank you so much for coming on the show.
I know you got a busy week ahead of you
and I'm not going to be at the game, but
I'll be listening to you on Sunday night. So guys,
this is one of the good guys.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, and you know what, Hey, Chris, if you don't mind,
I'm going to interrupt Mike for a second and he's
going to kill me for doing this. We started off
the show by talking about our guy here being a
finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And we've been waiting and waiting and waiting for years.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's been frustrating for us, Chris that we think that
lesser coaches are going in before him.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
But whatever happens is the way it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Can you leave us before you go with a thought
on what this guy, Tom I right here Chris has
meant to Pro football and why he belongs in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Well, except for the son of a gun beat me in.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
The Super Bowl, everything he's done.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Has been right, And I know he's you know, you
got to start for me with San Francisco and what
he established there with that dynasty, and then of course
you go on to Green Bay and Championship and Seattle
and Super Bowls and all that goes with it. But
I also think that you look at the legacy of
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coaches that were trained by Mike and some of the
best of the best that are around the National Football League,
and they all say the same thing about you, and
that is that you challenged them to be better.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
You challenged them and forced.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Them to compete with other coaches inside the organization to
get a play yet, I mean just one play, like
it was considered gold if they could draw up a
play that madeor Paul sheet and that you actually called.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
In a game. And they had side.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Bets going, they had arguments, they had fights, but then
all of a sudden, those coaches became great coaches and
they all point right back to you. And I think
that's the obvious sign that the greatest of the great
belonging to Hall of Fame. And so do you.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Well, you know what, thank you, thank you so much.
That's very nice and I appreciate it. And like I said,
good luck the rest of the season. Say lo to
Trico for me, and have a good game Sunday night.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
Great darn you guys.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That a great night.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Thanks Chris. Chris collins Worth there with us on the
on the show.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I think he's the best right now in the NFL's
fantastics far as colnbelieved.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Plus he really studies.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
It, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
When I was doing those things, and we'd bump into
each other in the stadium when I was don't do
West with stuff, and he'd go, what do you think
about that? He'd start to we'd start talking about stuff,
you know that we saw on films. Yeah, that's just
how he approaches it. And and you could you could
hear it right now.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well, and I think he should do the radio show
because I helped pay his salary. I give him twelve
bucks a month for my PFF some script more with
Mike Combrian. Chris Peterson's gonna join us in five point
twenty tonight right here on ninety three three kJ R FM,
Mike Combrin's with us.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That was great with Chris Collinsworth, by the way, first
of all, kudos to you. That was really awesome to
have him on the radio show. Get to talk about
the opponent much on Sunday the Packers. What do you
make of Jordan Love? What do you think of this
Green Bay team that we'll see on Sunday night?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know, And I really like him. The team first
of all is really good.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Uh, they're in the you know, they they're in the
division with Minnesota and Detroit.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
But that's a good division. And Jordan Love I really liked.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
I think if he's talented, he has all the physical qualities,
you know, and he hasn't played. He hasn't played that much.
This is like his third year of actually playing, you know.
And I've always said, if it takes three years to
really with the same coach in the same system, then
you kind of hit it, you kind of hit your stride.
And he's already shown what he can do. Now they
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get the running game going. They're a good team, you know,
they're and I think Mike, I think Lafleur is a
good coach, so uh, I think the Seahawks have their
work cut out for him. Yeah, but you know, we
talked about it earlier. Maybe you guys talked about it
earlier before I got here, But Lumenfield I always thought
it was a tremendous advantage for us.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, we didn't lose.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
They're sixteen and sixteen now in their last thirty two
games with fans since COVID.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
You know, it's just I don't have a good answer
for that. You guys you were at the games. I
don't go to the games. But they still loud. They're
still loud, aren't they.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
They're still loud. They're just a higher percentage of road teams.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I think it's just because the tickets are so much
easier for road fans to get, oh now than they
were when you were coaching. That you can just go online,
you know you're a Packer fan and get buy a
ticket to Seattle, fly on out and I get I
can guarantee myself a ticket where that doesn't wasn't necessarily
true twenty years ago.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
No, no, they it was a tough ticket to get. And
when we got when the Twelves started, when that the Twelves, Yeah,
well Todd Wicky, I give him credit for sitting for that.
Then it got to be and we got to be
a better team. Sunday that that place was nuts. Joe
Gibbs told me his last game was there. Yeah, you know,
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you gotta tell me you pumped the noise. No we didn't,
We didn't, but they said it was you couldn't hear yourself.
You couldn't hear and it affected everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Why are you weighing on a question that you asked
Chris about Ryan Grubb? What was the difference last Sunday
against Arizona? And the offense looked totally different, Charbonney looked amazing.
The offensive line was actually blocking people.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
What happened?
Speaker 7 (32:16):
I have a theory about that as good as Kenny
Walker is, and he is really good two different backs.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And there have been games where Ice.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Watch Walker play and he'll he'll hit a hole and
then he'll jump to the other side or you know,
you see him do that a lot and sometimes it
works and it's a really good one.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
A lot of times he.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Gets tackled for a one yard game or yeah, Charbonney
doesn't redesn't run like that. He hits the hole and
he I can get four yards, I can get five yards,
you know. And then what Chris said, a lot of
teams are playing that, you know, that too deep look
and they don't have as many guys in the box.
And that's good. Four or five yards. Now you're second
and five, now you're third and one, you know. And
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I think Charbonay, he hit the hole and it helps
their offensive line. That stuff helps their offensive line.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Well, they change their blocking scheme as well.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
I mean they went I think I read where they
went from a sixty five percent zone blocking team to
a sixty five percent gap blocking scheme in one game.
It's like, how unusual is that that you would just say, hey,
we're going to run a completely different scheme.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Two thirds of the time than we used.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
To do with an offensive line. I think that's almost impossible.
But they've had But but they've had a lot of
changes in the offensive line. So if you know, you
have a guy an offensive line, have been there a
long time, and you all of a sudden you're gonna
do it this way, they get used to doing it
that way. That's the way we do it. Those are
the calls that Tobec made, you know, with the line
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and different things. They they've had changes, so they finally,
they finally They may have said also they might have
had something to do with Walker not playing right right,
you know, But to do that in a week fick
to go from you know, a zone blocking team to
a you know, a gap blocking team of that, that's
not easy, but clearly it worked for them.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Are you in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Are you suggesting, I know we're later you got to go.
Are you suggesting that, because of the current state of
the offensive line, that maybe Zach Sharpernay is a better
back for this current situation they're in.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
No, I think Ken Walker is is who can I
love Kenny Walker? I mean, I mean he is really good,
But I'm just saying, if you can hit the hole
and hit it and maybe get in not those second
and long situations, or you know, avoid those you talked about, grub,
then he can call you can call the game differently. Yeah,
and so I know Walker is a great back.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Hey, good stuff, Thanks for doing this. We'll see you
next week and then we're off for Christmas week. Give
me a favorite when you get home. Ask Kathy what
she thinks about Beblichick having a twenty four year old girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
We talked about it, set me. We talked about this morning.
What you say or no I should say. I listened
about it.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I think we got our answer. All right, good stuff,
We'll see you in a week. Man, All right, Mike
Hombrown with Sorry, that's Mike, Mike Hombrown with us on
the air.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We're gonna break.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Chris Peterson's gonna join us in about twenty five minutes
as we continue from the five twenty bar and grill
right here on ninety three three KJRFM
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