April 25, 2025 • 38 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain, plus Hugh Millen and Mike Holmgren, chat with Steve Hutchinson about the Seahawks selecting Grey Zabel, then react to the #18 pick yesterday before looking ahead to the second round of the NFL Draft starting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the NFL Draft, coming to you live from
the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. This is the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft and brought to you by Coors Light,
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and by Box thirteen. Now are all hands on deck
coverage with coach Holmgrin and Hugh Millen. Here's Safti and Dick.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, boys and girls, here we go back at
the Virginia Mason Athletics Center for Day two, rounds two
and three of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. And
if you're expecting to hear the voice of Mike Hongrin,
you will just calm down. But Mike Homgren has pulled
a major, major no no, And yes, I hope he's
tuning in right now to hear all of this. By
the way, because if this guy right here that just
sat down with us did what Mike Homgren just did
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to us, there would be absolute hell to pay.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So Steve Hutchinson, first of all, is with us. Steve,
how are you doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
How are you guys doing good?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good to see you, Thanks for coming over.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We'll talk about you, your new toy, your new prodigy,
your new starting guard in a second there. But I
told Mike specifically three to five Thursday, three to four
on Friday, right, the first round, all we starts at five.
Second round, all we starts at four. He claims, I
said four o'clock. And he's not here.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
How would that excuse fly with you if you were
playing for him?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
That's funny. I told the story yesterday and I reminded
him of this. So we're in the old facility in Kirkland.
This is, you know, going almost twenty years ago, and
we had analog clocks everywhere, right, and it was one
one day. It was a Wednesday or Thursday practice and
we would do the walkthroughs prior to lunch and then
do do lunch and then the you know, the full
practice was always in the afternoon, and the alignment we
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had eaten, we'd got taped. We were just kind of
sitting around looking at the clock in the locker room.
We're like, all right, we got ten minutes to practice starts,
let's get our stuff and go out there. Well, apparently
that clock was different than the clock that was hanging
in the bubble if you remember the old bubble and Kirkle, Yeah,
or at least Mike's watch. And so we get out
there and we walk out there and we're still We're
thinking we're five minutes early, you know, and to get
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ready to stretch doesn't take that long to get out there.
And we walked through the bubble little revolving door and
he's like, what is this an O line mutiny? He's like,
you guys are four minutes later or something. Well, needs
you know, need to say next day. And every clock
in the facility was was replaced with the red digital
so everything was sync. So if Mike's listening, you get
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that red clock in your car.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, well Mike's not on Lombardy time, but you are.
So Steve Hutchinson with us, So Hu's just, you know,
everybody's husky the sea Nason rather excited about that pick.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
You're involved.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Just so for those who don't know, explain to us
your role now with the Seahawks and how you give
your input.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So so so the last this is my seventh draft,
and uh, you know, I work primarily on the on
the on the college side, working strictly with the offensive line.
So and you know, like those that know the scouting world.
You know, we have we have great guys that work
in this organization, and you know a lot of them
are signed to areas, right, so you have a geographic
area of the country that encompassed those schools in that area. Well,
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unlike them, guys, I don't have an area I kind
of handle. So I get like all the top names
of like draftable and some of the top priority free
agent guys, and and that comes to a list in me,
and I watch them and over the course of the
fall and in the winter, and I write my reports
on them and put my grades on them, and then
and then in the once the the All Star season starts,
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that's kind of when I start traveling. I'll do a
little traveling here or there, watch guys in the fall
on some occasions, and then go to the combine with
the rest of the guys and up here for draft
meetings and then you know, ultimately up here for this week.
And and you know, it's the great thing that John
does is you know John, and I tell John all
the time, he does a really good job of letting
everybody kind of put their two cents and ultimately it's
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his call and who gets picked where in that but
like so, you know, I try to give from my perspective.
You know, there's a lot of a lot of talk
these days about you know, all these systems and how
to find and and what's the best way to find
the guy? And I always try to remind these guys
in this position group talking offensive line, there's a there's
a sense of intangibles that you always want to try
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to relate to. Now again, at the end of the day,
the guy's got to be a player, right, But but
how he's gonna fit with the guys that room's a
you know, and you know, like that room's got to
be on the same page from a personality and a
pushing and a competitive standpoint. So I always try to
add a little bit of that into it when when
I'm given my two cents.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, Steve Hutchinson's with us, and this kid is the
highest drafted guard since you yeah, right, seventeenth, so plug
and play. I mean, obviously he's got to come in
right away. Right From a player perspective, you mentioned all
the intangibles. There is he a fit culturally? All that stuff?
Oh yeah, From a player perspective, what is it about
him that you really really love?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Well, first is his athleticism, his ability to finish, like
his mentality, That's what I like, you know, that's what
I look for when I look at these guys, especially
in today's college game. You know, everybody's you know, it's
funny when when twenty five years ago, when I came
out like every guy could get in a three point
stance and run block like you like if you watched
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nine on seven drill, you'd think everybody was a first
round pick. And then you get to the pass protection,
You're like, oh, well, that's why this guy's not being
talked about, or he can't move his feet or something.
Now kind of come, you know, flip completely opposite. Now,
these guys are so big and strong and fast and athletic,
and everybody in the game in college is so predicated
along the pass and getting you know, guys in space
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and moving their feet and mirror and stuff, and with
the zone scheme now it's a little different. So when
you see a guy that has some of these old
school traits in the characteristics, is like wanting to come
off and drive and finish guys down the field and
put guys on their back and take that mentality to
it but also have the finesse part of his game
where he can do all that other stuff. It's you know,
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they don't come around all that often.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
So Hall of Famer Steve Hutchinson with us and as
you're watching him, you know, the concern of the question.
Maybe some Hawk fans will say, Okay, he's the FCS
and you know, played nine hundred and sixty one snaps
at left tackle last season and he's played some guards,
so about fifteen percent of his snaps were at guard.
So is that a challenge for you? Watching the tape
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in two respects, you're you know, he's left tackle for
a lot of it, or right tackle and then the
FCS level. How much of that is a challenge for you? Yeah,
I mean on paper you look at it and goes
out of concern. But you know what you got to
understand is there's probably in the last five to seven years,
I think there's five or six, you know, high quality
starters in the NFL that came from North Dakota State
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just that college fit, you know, and so whatever they're
doing there, they're preparing them guys. Whatever they're coaching staff,
and whatever their level competition is, they're they're they're making
the transition pretty easy. You know, you can just look
at the last two three years alone at the senior
ball some of the standards have been from NDSU. You
know Cody Mack. Yeah, you know, a year or two ago.
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It's in Tampa now.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
You know, guys like that, so they I don't know
if I would I would consider from an from an
off offensive lineman standpoint of NDSU being a sub. You know, however,
you want to classify a Division one, double A whatever
they call on the FCS, like, I don't. I don't
know if because like I said, they put him out
there as far as left tackle thing goes that that
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that just shows you his his his ability to move
in space, right, That's that's a plus. This guy has
played guard in the past. Uh, obviously that's where we're
talking about using him here now. But the other thing
he can do is he can play center. So you've
got a guy that can line up at five positions. Now,
do we want him to line up five positions? No,
because that means we haven't figured other things out. But
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we'd like him to find you know, the key to
is get your best five on the field at the
position that you think they will help everybody out right now,
wh're you know I think Mike is I'm not saying anything.
I don't think anybody had already knows we're playing out
a left guard. But that's why you go through the
O t as you see who's healthy, who's who's who's back,
who who fits where they we think that they should
give us the best chance, and and and you start
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building some continuity in that room.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
You know, hu's this crop that you were given to
look at on tape. How does it compare to the
other years that you've been here in the seven.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean the offensive line position is always a
position of a priority. I think you ask any team
you know, and it's not just the starters, like trying
to find quality, but I mean that's one position, you know,
you ever you ever look around free agency time, what what? What? Position?
Isn't really much out there? It's offensive line because if
you find one, you don't want to get rid of them. Now,
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cap casualties and things like that happen. But that's that's
a that's a much needed position by by all thirty
two teams. I would say, since I've been doing this,
I think there's been on average six to seven guys
taken in the first rounds last time, you saw eight,
three of which regards five tackles. I think you got
a chance of seeing some guys going here, you know,
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in the early part of today as well, So that
that that'll just show you the what the league prioritizes
as far as you know. A twenty five percent of
the draft last night was offensive line, So I think
it's been a it's been a good crop that way.
There was other positions that obviously didn't have the numbers
in the first round that everybody's some of the splash
positions that you custom to seeing. But that's that's typical
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of a of a of an NFL draft in any
collegiate year. It's cyclical. I mean, what what people need,
what's coming out some guys, you know, next year, if
there wasn't a lot of receivers in the first round,
next year, by b eight of them, you know what
I mean. So yeah, it just all depends. But it
was overall, it was we thought it was a pretty
strong ear for offensive line.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, the greatest guard in Seahawk history and one of
the all time greats in the history of the NFL,
He told me to say that, by the way, before
he came out of the air.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Steve Hutchinson with us on the air.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So look, obviously we're raving about the guy, right, but
there's gonna be challenges for this kid. There were challenges
for you when you came out of Michigan, for God's sake.
So you're turning over every rock, looking at every angle.
What are the biggest challenges for him going to be?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You think, you know, I think it's it's just gonna
be the it's for me, it was coming in and
you know, I had I go from you know, playing
in the Big Ten and having been on a NASH
championship team and seeing a lot of guys I played
against in college that I knew I was gonna play
on Sunday against. So it wasn't so much was it
the level of competition it would for me. It was
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I think the speed of the game. You got to
remember when I got here, I had to go against
John Randall every day for and I was like, well,
I don't know how I'm gonna play in this league,
you know. But then you then you go against him
and practice for a camp and you're like, you get
to the games. You're like, wait a minute, everybody's as good,
so you know, you he'll have an Aha moment. You know,
he's gonna have rookie moments. He's gonna have it. But
I think the thing that we like about him is
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his his his mental makeup, Like he's he's going to
be a guy that like I like to use this term,
he's gonna die trying like there's not gonna be oh shucks,
I got beat and then stick his head down and
mope around about it. I mean, he's just gonna get
back and go and go and get up and go
and go. And eventually, you know, everybody's you know, everybody
gets put in their place as a rookie. But but
if you just keep going and you have the mentality,
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and the other thing it does is brings the other guys.
I mean, you know, you have a guy that gets
up and gets hit in the mouth and knock down
and gets up and goes, and then you got the
guy next one go, wait a minute, he just keeps going, Well,
I'm gonna do that. It's infectious, you know, And that's
that's what you're trying to. That's a culture. That's what
you're trying to build.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yes, final minutes with Steve Hutchinson, and as you know,
for a long time, guards have been undervalued in the draft. Right,
probably hurts your football soul that that that's the case.
But I was in a similar situation when you drafted.
I was in the same chair and I said, Okay,
if we're going to spend the seventeenth pick on a guard,
he's got to be a a great player. But ideally
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I want more than that. I want a guy that
when he gets is in that offensive line meeting room
and he's with those guys, that he sets the temple
that he makes everybody else nastier and more professional. What
have you? A? Is that a reasonable expectation because you
prove that to be true in your career. A? Is
that a reasonable expectation? And B how does this guy fit?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I think I think you got to be able to
as an offensive lineman, to be a leader, nasty, all
those things you're talking about, to be able to transcend
the position. Right, you like, there's a there's an expectation.
Now most people you know from the from your average
fan out there watching, it's hard to see the daily
is that to what guys do up front just because
the game's not you know, you're sitting there in the stands.
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It's a big jumble pile like you can't see. But
what you'll do, what you'll what you'll start to see
is when this group comes together and starts playing like
we we know that we have the guys that can
do it. You're gonna start seeing the pressure taking off
the quarterback as far as sustaining the drives, owning the
time of possession, wearing the other team's defense down, which
gets our defense more fresh and ready to get after
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their passer. You know, if it's funny how it's a
trickle down effect, right, So it might not. You're not
gonna look at this guy, Oh my god, he was
out in space and yeah, you'll see him out there
and blocking a dB and go, wow, that was great. Well,
it's gonna be the accumulation of all the first three
quarters that lead to the fourth quarter and which you know,
when you're wearing teams down and they don't have the
ball and you're running the ball and they're trying to
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throw the ball and catch up, and you know, guys
like big Liner and everything, you're getting sacks like that
all is, that is all a factor or a product
of the offensive line coming together and the running backs
running and the receivers block, and then the quarterback making decisions,
smart decisions when he's got to let the ball go
out of his hands. But all that, it all starts
up front. It's not just a cliche we say, you know,
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it really does start up front. And when when you
have those guys playing and feeling good and confident, I
think it just makes you for a better football team.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Hot, you're the man. We'll tell Mike you said alone.
By the way, Yeah, yeah, we'll see him here soon.
We'll dress you can see him a watch, I'll so, yeah,
we'll get we'll get up. We'll get his watch, all right, Hot,
you're the man. Thanks for doing this, buddy, appreciate it.
Past Steve watchin sitting with us on the radio show.
We'll keep it right here, guys, Michael be here momentarily
and I don't know about you, guys, but just having
him here to be a part of this process, not
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just from an evaluation process, but also a coaching process.
You remember, Walter Jones was involved with Charles Cross when
they drafted him. You know, three four years ago and
having him around to be able to give the kid input,
to watch tape, help him break stuff down, be.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
There to kind of be a big brother.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean, my guy, you're talking about one of the
all time great interior alignment ever in the history of
the NFL. And I love the fact that these guys
are leaning on him for this tremendous Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I mean, there's there's badass that want to be at
badasses and there's like genuine, authentic badasses, and that guy
has proved there's just a countenance to him. There's an
area about him. He's lost a lot of weight. He
looks fantastic. He's lost one hundred pounds. Yeah, by the way,
I mean he said he said he was two twenty five.
He looks freaking great. But you know, there's still that
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I don't know, and it's not an arrogance. There's there's
an aura, right, And I think that that's what we're
hoping that that the new kid has, right, Yeah, Dick
gray Zabel, I think there's a lot of commonality there
in terms of Uh, he mentioned it. You hear him say,
it's the finish. It's the finish, that's what what Mike
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and John said last night in the press conference, you know, hey,
we were looking for the finish. Well, that's that's evidence
of a mindset of tenacity to want to bury guys.
And uh, and I don't We didn't quite get in
as much as I would have liked to about the intelligence.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
The intelligence is able.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
The intelligence of Hutchinson a lot of similarities there.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
He seemed to minimize the the FCS connection. Would you
would you subscribe to that because there's just not a
lot of snaps where he's going up against NFL caliber
defensive line.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yeah, well he's He had the great retort replies, Hey,
you can say FCS, but then let's let's narrow it
down to STSU. They have put enough linement. In fact,
they were talking that that there was a team photo
of the or a lineman photo, and and they were
saying every single one of the guys, every single one
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of the guys was in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
So so the guys he's playing against arn't Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
So yeah, and he's a left tackle, he's going against
an end who's going to be undersized, still have some quickness.
And yes, it's hard to get a read on a
play by play basis you have to just focus on
the plays that you do think are relevant. There's a
lot For example, you go inside zone and the defensive
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end is out wide. All he's got to do is
get an inside position and basically seal the guy off,
almost like a basketball screen, because that defender his responsibility
is the c gap and to not let anything get outside.
He's holding the edge there. So if you're running inside zone,
that's not a tough block. So to me, when I'm looking,
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I'm looking him as a left tackle. I'm trying to
project him as a guard if he had been a
guard on that play. Okay, now I'd expect at least
you're at the point of attack and you have to
you have to double team. You're gonna hit with the
center and go on to the mic. Okay, that's something
you're gonna have to do in the NFL. I expect
you to dominate it because you're against FCS competition. But
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when I see left tackle and all you have to
do is is do a hint, step right and seal
the backside. For a guy that's worried about a wide run,
that's not really a rep worth evaluate well.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Cody Mack was drafted two years ago by the Buccaneers
out of North Dakota State. He started thirty four games
for the Buccaneers in the last two years. So, I mean,
Dix Poort is well his point taken about the competition.
If it was Montana State this guy played for or
somewhere else, I think could feel maybe a little queasy
about it. But that twenty twenty one offensive line, all
five starters played in the NFL, and Gray's able was
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a backup on that team. And the other guy, Mason Miller,
might be drafted or signed with somebody as a free agent.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So he's given me that look. Man, I haven't had
this look from this guy in a long, long long time.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I'm trying to remember the last time he pierced me
like this with those eyes.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Well, I'll tell you one thing. Yeah, I am not
fifteen minutes late. I am forty five minutes server.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You know what you're like the game I'll show you.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
I should have brought my I should have I wrote
down meticulously.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Oh you did you?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Did I text you the times or did I tell
you like verbally? Okay, because I could have sworn proof.
I could have sworn The draft starts at four o'clock.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Well, I apologize, okay, I'll.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Take the blame for you.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
Good.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
There's not no profit.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hutchinson's gonna send you a watch in the mail by
the way, next time he sees you. But Mike Congrins
with us obviously is going to be here with us
for a while. Because you were sorry forty five minutes early.
That means you have to stay forty five minutes extra. Fine,
that's no, I got no problem with that.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
What are yelling at me for?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You know what?
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Actually we yelled at anybody.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yes, it actually worked out. So now we got until six.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now, we got you to six o'clock. Fine, just just
keep thinking, Oh there you go sick. But let's talk
about the kid we got yesterday. Grey's Able out of
North Dakota State and Huts brought up a points Steve Hutchinson,
who was just with us, who looks phenomenal. Man, God,
the guy's lost undred pounds. I want whatever diet he's
on for crying out. Maybe maybe he's doing thirty ten,
who knows. But the idea that this isn't FCS school,
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it's a school that has a history of putting offensive
linemen in the NFL. We just got done saying twenty
twenty one, they're gonna have at least six of those
all five linemen plus a couple of backups. The twenty
twenty two offensive line. Four of those five guys, including
Jalen Sundell who's here now.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
At the vMac, played for that team.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Does that make you feel a little more relaxed that
he's coming from a program that's got.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
A history of putting linemen in the NFL?
Speaker 8 (19:26):
Yeah, I mean I didn't need to be a whole
lot more relaxed. Right, He's he's really a good player,
good and they can plug him in and he's a starter,
and that he's going to solidify the offensive line. My
hope is that when he comes in, they you know,
because he's he can play center of tackle. I've heard
you talk. Everyone talks about he can play. Steve said it, right,
you can play all five positions. Right, let's just put
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him in left guard and let's let everything kind of
fit into place and start that way. Yeah, because he
can certainly do that. But as far as the university, right, yeah,
they certain schools, I think, at least when I was
doing it, they develop a reputation for this type of
player or maybe this type of position. I mean it's
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not always that way, but you know that's cool. Right now,
if they have alignment coming out, yeah, he's probably pretty good.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Let's let's do this. We're gonna break. We'll get all
caught up.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Seahawks have four picks as of right now for tonight,
number fifty in the second round, fifty two in the
second round, that's the pick they got from Pittsburgh for
DK number eighty two in the third round, and then
number ninety two in the third round. So as of now,
four picks tonight for Seattle, and the Browns are on
the clock as we speak right now at number thirty
three and at number thirty six. We have a lot
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to get to.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
Do you have any oxygen?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
All right? Yes, yes I do. It's a man.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Yeah, I didn't even wait for the elevator.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I wait for you. Good for you.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
You see that there's gonna be a day, one day
where you can't do that, So take advantage of it.
Like the oxygen's the oxygen's called going outside, by the way,
so we'll take that out side. Mike Congrind, Dick Fane
here Ma Dave Zafey Maler from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center,
rounds two and three of the NFL Draft, starting at
four o'clock right here on ninety three to three KJRFM.
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Speaker 10 (21:28):
Grays Abel would make a lot of sense. I think
Gray's Abel could play center or guard for the Hawks,
and he's tough, he can protect a passer.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I mean, I think he'd be a good pick eighteen.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
You could argue that's early for Greysabel, But is it early?
If you get a starter, you know that guy who's
gonna start for you for eight to ten years, right.
That's always the point the GM's making. I think is
a really smart Is a really smart point to make
is people get too.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Caught up at the value of a pick.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
You're picking starters, and if you get a long time starter,
then that's great value.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, if he ends up being that five time Pro
bowler and then man number eighteen is just perfectly fine
by us. But that is the voice of lant Zerline,
our NFL draft expert who joins us typically every Wednesday,
excuse me, Thursday leading up to the draft. He has
been great with us, and he said that back on
March the nineteenth. Joe Tooney, I'm just looking up Joe Tooney.
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Joe Tooney's made three Pro Bowls, has been a first
team All Pro twice in his career, and he was
the seventy eighth pick overall by the Patriots back in
twenty sixteen in the third round. So if that's what
we're getting with this guy, I think the eighteenth pick
is gonna work out just fine. But Softy Dick, Fane Humil,
and Mike Homgren live from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Everyone's with us now.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Mike's gonna be hanging out until nine o'clock tonight with
Ian and Rob as well at seven pm, so keep
an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
He'll be here all evening long.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
And guys, we can go back to Graysable on a
second and shout about who the Seahawks got yesterday. I
guess the question is did they get the right guy?
Because Donovan Jackson of Ohio State Hugh started fifty one
games for the Buck Guys on a national championship team,
and Dick brought up, you know, the concern, of course,
of the quality of competition that Grey z Abel was
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going against. Well, Donovan Jackson played against the best defensive
lineman in America almost week in and week out, especially
with that deep playoff run. So this is the guy
that went twenty fourth. He went six picks later. Did
they get the right guard in I didn't study him
because he went over to tackle. Got it when Josh
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Simmons got.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Hurt and his first his first game was against Abdul
Carter took a couple of sacks. Then he didn't allow
any sacks thereafter. I've told you, guys, I look at
the guys I think are going in the first round.
The information I got that he was more likely to
Obviously I got bad information because he went in the
first round. But at this point I'm not looking back
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on it. I mean, you he got Gray's Abel and
here we go, coach.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
When you take a pick in the middle of the
first round, what is the expectation. Is it just good
enough to have a starting caliber player for eight to
ten years, or do you need a little something more
from your eighteenth overall pick.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
No, I think I think if you have you take
that pick and he plays, he's the starter for ten years. Yep,
he was a good pick. I mean it was a
good pick because how often do you see that. It
doesn't happen all that often. You know, there are a
lot of mistakes that are made in the first round,
and uh, you know, shoot, I we the draft is
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a little bit of a roll the dice sometimes, you know,
it really is. You have can we all have examples
of guys who we thought or somebody thought they were
going to be rated very high, were drafted very high,
and it didn't work. I've always looked at quarterbacks, and
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so we have a long list of quarterbacks. It didn't work.
They were picked because.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Of a need.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
People got panicky. They the guy it wasn't He wasn't good.
It just didn't work. And so no, Dick, I would say,
if he played, if he could play for ten years
and be the start for you, yeah, you got really
something good in the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We'll go back to when you drafted Hutchinson, right, because
that was that was your show baby in two thousand
and one, and you took Steve seventeenth. Well, this is
the highest drafted guard since then. I mean just imagine
sitting around twenty four years later until the Seahawks draft
to guard and literally almost these same spot as you
took hutch twenty four years ago. So what did you
expect out of him when you took him, and what
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would you be expecting out of this guy twenty four
years later?
Speaker 8 (25:36):
Well, to be absolutely honest, okay, I I my emphasis
during the draft was usually skilled positions, right. I relied
heavily on my line coaches.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Who is your line coach that year two thousand and one.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Tom Lavat got it and I Bob mcittrick was in
San Francisco. Tom Lavat, I was really fortunate to have
really good guys, and so I trusted him once they
told me this guy. Then I look at some film,
but I really relied on them. But in case you
know the story, I went back there and both Schambackler
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comes up to me and I was teasing him about
when he was at Michigan and I was at BAYU
and we beat them in the Holiday Ball. Sorry, you
we beat them in the Holiday Ball. No, No, I
didn't say first. So I didn't. I just I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't follow up. I just said that
was one game. But I said and he after the game,
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he blew up and said they held the old game.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
So he comes up to me in the thing and
I go, hey, how's it going. He goes, Mike, how's
it going. You know, we talked a little. He goes,
So I knew I wanted just you know, I said,
you know, we did not hold in that game. Typical
shand Becker weren't talking about other things. And he just goes,
what do you mean. Once he calmed down, he goes,
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I'm going to tell you one thing. All the guys
here and they had a lot of guys coming out.
Good team, because that's the guy. Take him, and he
pointed in Steve. So once he did once he did that,
that's a big endorsement. Oh yeah, once he did that.
But look it and then Steve, you know, I I
can't say I was as mad at him when he
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left to go to Minnesota as I've ever been with
the player. And I love the guy. Maybe that's why
I was mad. Yeah, you know. Uh, And we came
down and he was crying, and I was mad and
yelling and it was but he he did it and
he left. And I contend there were a couple times
in the in the years following that where we were
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one play away from maybe going the championship game. That
game in Chicago, all we need to do is get
a first down on a quick play to Matt Strong
off the left tackle or off the left side. If
much had been playing, I say, we would, you know,
I mean, but that's what I say.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I was going to ask a different question.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
But I feel like there's this a little more there,
and maybe some of our listeners need to be refreshed
or don't know about it. So when Hutch went to
Minnesota and Tim Ruskell, there's things you won't say that
we'll say that Tim Ruskell does totally mismanaged that whole situation, right,
And is there anything looking back now you got the
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years to on wisdom on that. Is there anything that
you look and you say, if I had to go
through that experience again, it wasn't your fault.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
It was Ruscal's fault. Let's make that clear.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
But is there anything that you look back and you say,
I could have done this to avoid Ruscal's catastrophic mistake.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
You know what, Hugh, I at that particular time. One
of the reasons I was so angry. I was mad
at Steve, but I was mad at Tim too. We
had a meeting, we had a meeting about about Steve,
and when I left the meeting, we were going to
franchise Steve. Steve came down to my own right after
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we had that meeting, and I told him, Hey, you
know I can't lose you. We're gonna franchise you. I'm
sorry the contract he wanted didn't work out, Okay, And
then I'm in I'm in back in some NFL meeting
and John Clayton comes up to me and goes, Hutch
is going to Minnesota. I go, what, Yeah, you transitioned him. Yeah,
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I said, no, we franchised him. No, you transitioned him
and allowed Minnesota to make up this phony deal. Then
now it's called the Hutch rule.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So franchise is full protection. He gets the average of
the top five sellars transition, he would get the average
of the top ten. But and but he would have
an ability to go seek other contracts, which you would
be we could match the max. But they put the
poison pill some bolt crap about how many days you
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play in Minnesota or Seattle whatever. It was like a
ridiculous and they outlawed the poison pill. But getting back
to the meat of the bone, So you have a
you're the head coach, you have a GM. You've agreed
to franchise, which means Steve Hutchinson is property the Seattle Stea.
Next scene, a reporter tells you, no, you just lost
your Hall of Fame guard.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
What happens then? What kind of.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Communication happens then between you and the general manager.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
I went right into their office. I went right into
their office and and Mike Reinfeldt was there.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Too, he's the finance guy, finance guy.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
And I go and I I exploded. I was mad,
how can we do this? Wait a minute, We've said
you you lied to me. You said this is you guys.
What'd you do?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
What?
Speaker 8 (30:36):
What was you doing?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
You're saying this to Tim Ruskill right to his face.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
There and then he goes, uh, you know, he goes, hey, listen,
Paul Allen, He's gonna phone in a second once to
know what's going on. You know, that's the first thing
out of his mouth, and he goes, could you could
you cover? I mean, could you? So Paul gets on
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the and I should.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Have I should have told them to take a high
you deal with it?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 8 (31:07):
No? But so I but that was typical of those days.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
It was just weird. Wow.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
So he gets Paul phones and goes, so can someone
tell me what happened? And both those two guys look
at me and oh my god, man, And I said,
and I should have said, if you're asking me what
I could have done differently? I should have said, these
two guys, I should have said.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
That our fur rug yeah, And I.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
Said, I'm leaving the room right.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Now, right Well, you could have done differently is just
hold Ruskal's band and walk him over.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
But I just said we thought we had him, or
we thought we could match the contract because of the transition,
or you know, I forget what I said. I've kind
of blocked that from my memory.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
But I don't blame you.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
I was I angry.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Well, hopefully we're having that same conversation about whether or
not the Franchi is able, but if they do franchise them,
they actually take care of.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
It and get it done right, the right way.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
I mean, there's a way to do it.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Now.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
What they did in the poison pill is they they
made heat. We had to pay hutch more than we
paid Walter, and we've just done, you know, because Walter
was our highest paid lineman. And and then the word
that we can't pay a guard that much, right, I go, wait,
you know.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
It was forty nine million.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, well you know what, Look this it's topical because
the Seahawks just took a guard at number eight and
the highest drafted guard since then.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Can we be done with this conversation? We got to
the subject. We can move on right now.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
I've completely forgotten about it, Okay.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Good, Yeah, it ever happened, all right, I'm the one
who was dragged it is.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It is topical. I mean, look, unfortunately, I'm sorry. Actually,
you know it's gonna get talked about.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I actually didn't say the things I said.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, well, because I didn't want to get in trouble
put in the book. Uh, because it's good.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean with this this timing of this pick was
Abel and the Hutchinson angle, It's gonna it's gonna get
brought up. I mean, it'll be discussed for sure, because
it's been twenty four years since you had drafted them.
All Right, we're gonna break. We're getting close to Round two.
Seahawks have four picks. We'll talk about some other stuff
going on, including some big name still on the board.
The shaduor Sanders thing, obviously, is a major topic of
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intrigue for a lot of people around the country. We'll
get to all that next from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Round two begins in twenty minutes right here on ninety
three to three KJRFM, Welcome to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Now back to the Virginia Mason Athletics Center and then
twenty twenty five NFL Draft and brought to you by
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Speaker 6 (33:46):
It's excited.
Speaker 11 (33:47):
I mean, it's there's still some good, you know, damning
players up there, right, so we're excited to keep rocket.
I mean, this is like we've talked about this before.
The first the first night's like this entertainment world and
you know, tomorrow, and we wait forever to pick, and
then Saturdays like roll up sleeves and Saturday's most fun day.
But yeah, Tomorrow's Tomiles gonna be fun as well because
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there's a lot of really good players up there.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
Saturday, I say something, Sure, go ahead to say Saturday's
you know I love John, right, but he and Mike,
you know they it's a different era, right, let's rock
and roll. Let's do that. I don't think I ever
said that, but Saturday, bless his heart, he thinks Saturday
is a great day, yealy because the draft is over.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
That That's exactly it. On vacations, go across the dinos
and enjoy himself.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I mean, they got they got five picks on Saturday,
four picks tonight, starting with number fifty for now, I mean,
obviously some of the bigger storylines, guys. The Browns have
two of the first four picks in the second round,
thirty three and thirty six. After the trade where the
Jaguars the Saints will be up at forty the Jets
will be up at forty two.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
The Browns have a couple.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
The reason why I bring up all those picks, guys,
is because Shador Sanders is sitting there, had that draft
party yesterday, you know, created this big draft room with
his I don't know if legendary is that like his
hat company or something. I don't know what that was
all about, but you know, hey, I mean, if you
if you saw the video, kudos to him. He stepped
up and had to address a crowd of disappointed people.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I mean, he took it like a man last night.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
So I kind of felt bad for him a little bit,
to be totally honest with you, But if all these
teams that need quarterbacks keep passing on Shador Sanders, I
mean I was talking to Rob rang He thinks.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Tyler Schuck might go before Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So should we expect that these quarterback needy teams that
one of them may grab this kid?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Or do you see maybe a bit of a free
fall coming fack? I don't know how he's evaluated. I
could see Shuck going in front. I could see Jalen milroll.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
If somebody just says, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna grab
a lottery pick, because if he reaches the ceiling, his
ceilings as high as anybody as if he can somehow
figure out how to process and how to pass a football, Mike,
but uh, uh you know, other than that, he's gonna
be a great quarterback, right, But uh, I don't know.
I'm I've watched a lot of the national narrative. I've
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been amused by Mike. I think there's a lot of
people who are chirping.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
They're not sufficiently informed about the substantive part of Shador
Sanders game that that is on the tape. And uh,
you know, I think Dion's gotta kind of he's he's
almost weaponized a lot of the media and and kind
of bullying the media. I think it's it's amusing to me,
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but I look at it a lot the tape there
it will just from the from the time the season ended,
there's a common refrain, how did how did Shadr drop?
After the season? You know, he was he was supposed
to be a top two pick and now he's not
even in the first rounder. Well, since the end of
the season, he didn't go to the Senior Bowl when invited.
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If you're at cam Ward's level, or if you're Joe
Burrow lever, you don't have to go to Senior bol
but if you're Sanders level, you probably should go to
the Super Bowl, the the the the Senior Bowl. There's
all these reports about how in the individual team meetings
he shows up arrogant and and uh and then.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
His Pro day he's throwing.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
First half of his pro day he's throwing wobbly balls,
and then he all of his outbreaking routes UH are
are floating. And in fact he had too where he
completes the out of bounds because the ball had such
an arc. He had allowsy pro day and all these
other things.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I could there's more on my list, but Mike, what's
your thought on on Chadur the fall of Chadur and
and the and the media coverage of the fall of Shador.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
I think I think they've been, in one respect, their
own worst anime, because you have a you have a
kid who's a quarterback in college and it's thrown for
X amount of yards and he's done all these things,
but they've surrounded him. I don't know who, but the
the the the stuff that's gone out about him because
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of his dad, a lot of it right where his
dad has kind of done it that has hurt him.
I think it's hurt him instead of just listen, I'm
a football player. Take me for what I am. It's large,
it's he's like a movie star, larger than life, you know.
And uh, I think that's hurt him. And so people
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when they start studying like you do you and they say, well,
wait a second, you know, I mean this is these things,
this is uh, this doesn't work. This is I've seen
guys that do this better and better and better if
you really study it hard.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
He was your fifth guy on your on your list.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Right, we can come back and discuss this more.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
We're gonna break a little bit early here to make
out here to make sure we're ready to go for
the Browns.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Pick at number thirty three. We'll pick up this discussion.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Get to round number two next from the Virginia Mason
Athletic Center right here on ninety three to three KJRFM
Welcome to the NFL Draft, coming to you live from
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, boys and girls, here we go back at
the Virginia Mason Athletics Center for Day two, rounds two
and three of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. And
if you're expecting to hear the voice of Mike Hongrin,
you will just calm down. But Mike Homgren has pulled
a major, major no no, And yes, I hope he's
tuning in right now to hear all of this. By
the way, because if this guy right here that just
sat down with us did what Mike Homgren just did
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to us, there would be absolute hell to pay.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So Steve Hutchinson, first of all, is with us. Steve,
how are you doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
How are you guys doing good?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good to see you, Thanks for coming over.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We'll talk about you, your new toy, your new prodigy,
your new starting guard in a second there. But I
told Mike specifically three to five Thursday, three to four
on Friday, right, the first round, all we starts at five.
Second round, all we starts at four. He claims, I
said four o'clock. And he's not here.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
How would that excuse fly with you if you were
playing for him?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
That's funny. I told the story yesterday and I reminded
him of this. So we're in the old facility in Kirkland.
This is, you know, going almost twenty years ago, and
we had analog clocks everywhere, right, and it was one
one day. It was a Wednesday or Thursday practice and
we would do the walkthroughs prior to lunch and then
do do lunch and then the you know, the full
practice was always in the afternoon, and the alignment we
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had eaten, we'd got taped. We were just kind of
sitting around looking at the clock in the locker room.
We're like, all right, we got ten minutes to practice starts,
let's get our stuff and go out there. Well, apparently
that clock was different than the clock that was hanging
in the bubble if you remember the old bubble and Kirkle, Yeah,
or at least Mike's watch. And so we get out
there and we walk out there and we're still We're
thinking we're five minutes early, you know, and to get
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ready to stretch doesn't take that long to get out there.
And we walked through the bubble little revolving door and
he's like, what is this an O line mutiny? He's like,
you guys are four minutes later or something. Well, needs
you know, need to say next day. And every clock
in the facility was was replaced with the red digital
so everything was sync. So if Mike's listening, you get
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that red clock in your car.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, well Mike's not on Lombardy time, but you are.
So Steve Hutchinson with us, So Hu's just, you know,
everybody's husky the sea Nason rather excited about that pick.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
You're involved.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Just so for those who don't know, explain to us
your role now with the Seahawks and how you give
your input.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So so so the last this is my seventh draft,
and uh, you know, I work primarily on the on
the on the college side, working strictly with the offensive line.
So and you know, like those that know the scouting world.
You know, we have we have great guys that work
in this organization, and you know a lot of them
are signed to areas, right, so you have a geographic
area of the country that encompassed those schools in that area. Well,
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unlike them, guys, I don't have an area I kind
of handle. So I get like all the top names
of like draftable and some of the top priority free
agent guys, and and that comes to a list in me,
and I watch them and over the course of the
fall and in the winter, and I write my reports
on them and put my grades on them, and then
and then in the once the the All Star season starts,
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that's kind of when I start traveling. I'll do a
little traveling here or there, watch guys in the fall
on some occasions, and then go to the combine with
the rest of the guys and up here for draft
meetings and then you know, ultimately up here for this week.
And and you know, it's the great thing that John
does is you know John, and I tell John all
the time, he does a really good job of letting
everybody kind of put their two cents and ultimately it's
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his call and who gets picked where in that but
like so, you know, I try to give from my perspective.
You know, there's a lot of a lot of talk
these days about you know, all these systems and how
to find and and what's the best way to find
the guy? And I always try to remind these guys
in this position group talking offensive line, there's a there's
a sense of intangibles that you always want to try
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to relate to. Now again, at the end of the day,
the guy's got to be a player, right, But but
how he's gonna fit with the guys that room's a
you know, and you know, like that room's got to
be on the same page from a personality and a
pushing and a competitive standpoint. So I always try to
add a little bit of that into it when when
I'm given my two cents.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, Steve Hutchinson's with us, and this kid is the
highest drafted guard since you yeah, right, seventeenth, so plug
and play. I mean, obviously he's got to come in
right away. Right From a player perspective, you mentioned all
the intangibles. There is he a fit culturally? All that stuff?
Oh yeah, From a player perspective, what is it about
him that you really really love?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Well, first is his athleticism, his ability to finish, like
his mentality, That's what I like, you know, that's what
I look for when I look at these guys, especially
in today's college game. You know, everybody's you know, it's
funny when when twenty five years ago, when I came
out like every guy could get in a three point
stance and run block like you like if you watched
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nine on seven drill, you'd think everybody was a first
round pick. And then you get to the pass protection,
You're like, oh, well, that's why this guy's not being
talked about, or he can't move his feet or something.
Now kind of come, you know, flip completely opposite. Now,
these guys are so big and strong and fast and athletic,
and everybody in the game in college is so predicated
along the pass and getting you know, guys in space
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and moving their feet and mirror and stuff, and with
the zone scheme now it's a little different. So when
you see a guy that has some of these old
school traits in the characteristics, is like wanting to come
off and drive and finish guys down the field and
put guys on their back and take that mentality to
it but also have the finesse part of his game
where he can do all that other stuff. It's you know,
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they don't come around all that often.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
So Hall of Famer Steve Hutchinson with us and as
you're watching him, you know, the concern of the question.
Maybe some Hawk fans will say, Okay, he's the FCS
and you know, played nine hundred and sixty one snaps
at left tackle last season and he's played some guards,
so about fifteen percent of his snaps were at guard.
So is that a challenge for you? Watching the tape
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in two respects, you're you know, he's left tackle for
a lot of it, or right tackle and then the
FCS level. How much of that is a challenge for you? Yeah,
I mean on paper you look at it and goes
out of concern. But you know what you got to
understand is there's probably in the last five to seven years,
I think there's five or six, you know, high quality
starters in the NFL that came from North Dakota State
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just that college fit, you know, and so whatever they're
doing there, they're preparing them guys. Whatever they're coaching staff,
and whatever their level competition is, they're they're they're making
the transition pretty easy. You know, you can just look
at the last two three years alone at the senior
ball some of the standards have been from NDSU. You
know Cody Mack. Yeah, you know, a year or two ago.
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It's in Tampa now.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
You know, guys like that, so they I don't know
if I would I would consider from an from an
off offensive lineman standpoint of NDSU being a sub. You know, however,
you want to classify a Division one, double A whatever
they call on the FCS, like, I don't. I don't
know if because like I said, they put him out
there as far as left tackle thing goes that that
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that just shows you his his his ability to move
in space, right, That's that's a plus. This guy has
played guard in the past. Uh, obviously that's where we're
talking about using him here now. But the other thing
he can do is he can play center. So you've
got a guy that can line up at five positions. Now,
do we want him to line up five positions? No,
because that means we haven't figured other things out. But
(07:39):
we'd like him to find you know, the key to
is get your best five on the field at the
position that you think they will help everybody out right now,
wh're you know I think Mike is I'm not saying anything.
I don't think anybody had already knows we're playing out
a left guard. But that's why you go through the
O t as you see who's healthy, who's who's who's back,
who who fits where they we think that they should
give us the best chance, and and and you start
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building some continuity in that room.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
You know, hu's this crop that you were given to
look at on tape. How does it compare to the
other years that you've been here in the seven.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean the offensive line position is always a
position of a priority. I think you ask any team
you know, and it's not just the starters, like trying
to find quality, but I mean that's one position, you know,
you ever you ever look around free agency time, what what? What? Position?
Isn't really much out there? It's offensive line because if
you find one, you don't want to get rid of them. Now,
(08:33):
cap casualties and things like that happen. But that's that's
a that's a much needed position by by all thirty
two teams. I would say, since I've been doing this,
I think there's been on average six to seven guys
taken in the first rounds last time, you saw eight,
three of which regards five tackles. I think you got
a chance of seeing some guys going here, you know,
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in the early part of today as well, So that
that that'll just show you the what the league prioritizes
as far as you know. A twenty five percent of
the draft last night was offensive line, So I think
it's been a it's been a good crop that way.
There was other positions that obviously didn't have the numbers
in the first round that everybody's some of the splash
positions that you custom to seeing. But that's that's typical
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of a of a of an NFL draft in any
collegiate year. It's cyclical. I mean, what what people need,
what's coming out some guys, you know, next year, if
there wasn't a lot of receivers in the first round,
next year, by b eight of them, you know what
I mean. So yeah, it just all depends. But it
was overall, it was we thought it was a pretty
strong ear for offensive line.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, the greatest guard in Seahawk history and one of
the all time greats in the history of the NFL,
He told me to say that, by the way, before
he came out of the air.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Steve Hutchinson with us on the air.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So look, obviously we're raving about the guy, right, but
there's gonna be challenges for this kid. There were challenges
for you when you came out of Michigan, for God's sake.
So you're turning over every rock, looking at every angle.
What are the biggest challenges for him going to be?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You think, you know, I think it's it's just gonna
be the it's for me, it was coming in and
you know, I had I go from you know, playing
in the Big Ten and having been on a NASH
championship team and seeing a lot of guys I played
against in college that I knew I was gonna play
on Sunday against. So it wasn't so much was it
the level of competition it would for me. It was
(10:13):
I think the speed of the game. You got to
remember when I got here, I had to go against
John Randall every day for and I was like, well,
I don't know how I'm gonna play in this league,
you know. But then you then you go against him
and practice for a camp and you're like, you get
to the games. You're like, wait a minute, everybody's as good,
so you know, you he'll have an Aha moment. You know,
he's gonna have rookie moments. He's gonna have it. But
I think the thing that we like about him is
(10:34):
his his his mental makeup, Like he's he's going to
be a guy that like I like to use this term,
he's gonna die trying like there's not gonna be oh shucks,
I got beat and then stick his head down and
mope around about it. I mean, he's just gonna get
back and go and go and get up and go
and go. And eventually, you know, everybody's you know, everybody
gets put in their place as a rookie. But but
if you just keep going and you have the mentality,
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and the other thing it does is brings the other guys.
I mean, you know, you have a guy that gets
up and gets hit in the mouth and knock down
and gets up and goes, and then you got the
guy next one go, wait a minute, he just keeps going, Well,
I'm gonna do that. It's infectious, you know, And that's
that's what you're trying to. That's a culture. That's what
you're trying to build.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yes, final minutes with Steve Hutchinson, and as you know,
for a long time, guards have been undervalued in the draft. Right,
probably hurts your football soul that that that's the case.
But I was in a similar situation when you drafted.
I was in the same chair and I said, Okay,
if we're going to spend the seventeenth pick on a guard,
he's got to be a a great player. But ideally
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I want more than that. I want a guy that
when he gets is in that offensive line meeting room
and he's with those guys, that he sets the temple
that he makes everybody else nastier and more professional. What
have you? A? Is that a reasonable expectation because you
prove that to be true in your career. A? Is
that a reasonable expectation? And B how does this guy fit?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I think I think you got to be able to
as an offensive lineman, to be a leader, nasty, all
those things you're talking about, to be able to transcend
the position. Right, you like, there's a there's an expectation.
Now most people you know from the from your average
fan out there watching, it's hard to see the daily
is that to what guys do up front just because
the game's not you know, you're sitting there in the stands.
(12:13):
It's a big jumble pile like you can't see. But
what you'll do, what you'll what you'll start to see
is when this group comes together and starts playing like
we we know that we have the guys that can
do it. You're gonna start seeing the pressure taking off
the quarterback as far as sustaining the drives, owning the
time of possession, wearing the other team's defense down, which
gets our defense more fresh and ready to get after
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their passer. You know, if it's funny how it's a
trickle down effect, right, So it might not. You're not
gonna look at this guy, Oh my god, he was
out in space and yeah, you'll see him out there
and blocking a dB and go, wow, that was great. Well,
it's gonna be the accumulation of all the first three
quarters that lead to the fourth quarter and which you know,
when you're wearing teams down and they don't have the
ball and you're running the ball and they're trying to
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throw the ball and catch up, and you know, guys
like big Liner and everything, you're getting sacks like that
all is, that is all a factor or a product
of the offensive line coming together and the running backs
running and the receivers block, and then the quarterback making decisions,
smart decisions when he's got to let the ball go
out of his hands. But all that, it all starts
up front. It's not just a cliche we say, you know,
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it really does start up front. And when when you
have those guys playing and feeling good and confident, I
think it just makes you for a better football team.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Hot, you're the man. We'll tell Mike you said alone.
By the way, Yeah, yeah, we'll see him here soon.
We'll dress you can see him a watch, I'll so, yeah,
we'll get we'll get up. We'll get his watch, all right, Hot,
you're the man. Thanks for doing this, buddy, appreciate it.
Past Steve watchin sitting with us on the radio show.
We'll keep it right here, guys, Michael be here momentarily
and I don't know about you, guys, but just having
him here to be a part of this process, not
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just from an evaluation process, but also a coaching process.
You remember, Walter Jones was involved with Charles Cross when
they drafted him. You know, three four years ago and
having him around to be able to give the kid input,
to watch tape, help him break stuff down, be.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
There to kind of be a big brother.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean, my guy, you're talking about one of the
all time great interior alignment ever in the history of
the NFL. And I love the fact that these guys
are leaning on him for this tremendous Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I mean, there's there's badass that want to be at
badasses and there's like genuine, authentic badasses, and that guy
has proved there's just a countenance to him. There's an
area about him. He's lost a lot of weight. He
looks fantastic. He's lost one hundred pounds. Yeah, by the way,
I mean he said he said he was two twenty five.
He looks freaking great. But you know, there's still that
(14:32):
I don't know, and it's not an arrogance. There's there's
an aura, right, And I think that that's what we're
hoping that that the new kid has, right, Yeah, Dick
gray Zabel, I think there's a lot of commonality there
in terms of Uh, he mentioned it. You hear him say,
it's the finish. It's the finish, that's what what Mike
(14:54):
and John said last night in the press conference, you know, hey,
we were looking for the finish. Well, that's that's evidence
of a mindset of tenacity to want to bury guys.
And uh, and I don't We didn't quite get in
as much as I would have liked to about the intelligence.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
The intelligence is able.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
The intelligence of Hutchinson a lot of similarities there.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
He seemed to minimize the the FCS connection. Would you
would you subscribe to that because there's just not a
lot of snaps where he's going up against NFL caliber
defensive line.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yeah, well he's He had the great retort replies, Hey,
you can say FCS, but then let's let's narrow it
down to STSU. They have put enough linement. In fact,
they were talking that that there was a team photo
of the or a lineman photo, and and they were
saying every single one of the guys, every single one
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of the guys was in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
So so the guys he's playing against arn't Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
So yeah, and he's a left tackle, he's going against
an end who's going to be undersized, still have some quickness.
And yes, it's hard to get a read on a
play by play basis you have to just focus on
the plays that you do think are relevant. There's a
lot For example, you go inside zone and the defensive
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end is out wide. All he's got to do is
get an inside position and basically seal the guy off,
almost like a basketball screen, because that defender his responsibility
is the c gap and to not let anything get outside.
He's holding the edge there. So if you're running inside zone,
that's not a tough block. So to me, when I'm looking,
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I'm looking him as a left tackle. I'm trying to
project him as a guard if he had been a
guard on that play. Okay, now I'd expect at least
you're at the point of attack and you have to
you have to double team. You're gonna hit with the
center and go on to the mic. Okay, that's something
you're gonna have to do in the NFL. I expect
you to dominate it because you're against FCS competition. But
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when I see left tackle and all you have to
do is is do a hint, step right and seal
the backside. For a guy that's worried about a wide run,
that's not really a rep worth evaluate well.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Cody Mack was drafted two years ago by the Buccaneers
out of North Dakota State. He started thirty four games
for the Buccaneers in the last two years. So, I mean,
Dix Poort is well his point taken about the competition.
If it was Montana State this guy played for or
somewhere else, I think could feel maybe a little queasy
about it. But that twenty twenty one offensive line, all
five starters played in the NFL, and Gray's able was
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a backup on that team. And the other guy, Mason Miller,
might be drafted or signed with somebody as a free agent.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So he's given me that look. Man, I haven't had
this look from this guy in a long, long long time.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I'm trying to remember the last time he pierced me
like this with those eyes.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Well, I'll tell you one thing. Yeah, I am not
fifteen minutes late. I am forty five minutes server.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You know what you're like the game I'll show you.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
I should have brought my I should have I wrote
down meticulously.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Oh you did you?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Did I text you the times or did I tell
you like verbally? Okay, because I could have sworn proof.
I could have sworn The draft starts at four o'clock.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Well, I apologize, okay, I'll.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Take the blame for you.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
Good.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
There's not no profit.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hutchinson's gonna send you a watch in the mail by
the way, next time he sees you. But Mike Congrins
with us obviously is going to be here with us
for a while. Because you were sorry forty five minutes early.
That means you have to stay forty five minutes extra. Fine,
that's no, I got no problem with that.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
What are yelling at me for?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You know what?
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Actually we yelled at anybody.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yes, it actually worked out. So now we got until six.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now, we got you to six o'clock. Fine, just just
keep thinking, Oh there you go sick. But let's talk
about the kid we got yesterday. Grey's Able out of
North Dakota State and Huts brought up a points Steve Hutchinson,
who was just with us, who looks phenomenal. Man, God,
the guy's lost undred pounds. I want whatever diet he's
on for crying out. Maybe maybe he's doing thirty ten,
who knows. But the idea that this isn't FCS school,
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it's a school that has a history of putting offensive
linemen in the NFL. We just got done saying twenty
twenty one, they're gonna have at least six of those
all five linemen plus a couple of backups. The twenty
twenty two offensive line. Four of those five guys, including
Jalen Sundell who's here now.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
At the vMac, played for that team.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Does that make you feel a little more relaxed that
he's coming from a program that's got.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
A history of putting linemen in the NFL?
Speaker 8 (19:26):
Yeah, I mean I didn't need to be a whole
lot more relaxed. Right, He's he's really a good player,
good and they can plug him in and he's a starter,
and that he's going to solidify the offensive line. My
hope is that when he comes in, they you know,
because he's he can play center of tackle. I've heard
you talk. Everyone talks about he can play. Steve said it, right,
you can play all five positions. Right, let's just put
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him in left guard and let's let everything kind of
fit into place and start that way. Yeah, because he
can certainly do that. But as far as the university, right, yeah,
they certain schools, I think, at least when I was
doing it, they develop a reputation for this type of
player or maybe this type of position. I mean it's
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not always that way, but you know that's cool. Right now,
if they have alignment coming out, yeah, he's probably pretty good.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Let's let's do this. We're gonna break. We'll get all
caught up.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Seahawks have four picks as of right now for tonight,
number fifty in the second round, fifty two in the
second round, that's the pick they got from Pittsburgh for
DK number eighty two in the third round, and then
number ninety two in the third round. So as of now,
four picks tonight for Seattle, and the Browns are on
the clock as we speak right now at number thirty
three and at number thirty six. We have a lot
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to get to.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
Do you have any oxygen?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
All right? Yes, yes I do. It's a man.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Yeah, I didn't even wait for the elevator.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I wait for you. Good for you.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
You see that there's gonna be a day, one day
where you can't do that, So take advantage of it.
Like the oxygen's the oxygen's called going outside, by the way,
so we'll take that out side. Mike Congrind, Dick Fane
here Ma Dave Zafey Maler from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center,
rounds two and three of the NFL Draft, starting at
four o'clock right here on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
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Speaker 1 (21:10):
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Speaker 10 (21:28):
Grays Abel would make a lot of sense. I think
Gray's Abel could play center or guard for the Hawks,
and he's tough, he can protect a passer.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I mean, I think he'd be a good pick eighteen.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
You could argue that's early for Greysabel, But is it early?
If you get a starter, you know that guy who's
gonna start for you for eight to ten years, right.
That's always the point the GM's making. I think is
a really smart Is a really smart point to make
is people get too.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Caught up at the value of a pick.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
You're picking starters, and if you get a long time starter,
then that's great value.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, if he ends up being that five time Pro
bowler and then man number eighteen is just perfectly fine
by us. But that is the voice of lant Zerline,
our NFL draft expert who joins us typically every Wednesday,
excuse me, Thursday leading up to the draft. He has
been great with us, and he said that back on
March the nineteenth. Joe Tooney, I'm just looking up Joe Tooney.
(22:19):
Joe Tooney's made three Pro Bowls, has been a first
team All Pro twice in his career, and he was
the seventy eighth pick overall by the Patriots back in
twenty sixteen in the third round. So if that's what
we're getting with this guy, I think the eighteenth pick
is gonna work out just fine. But Softy Dick, Fane Humil,
and Mike Homgren live from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Everyone's with us now.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Mike's gonna be hanging out until nine o'clock tonight with
Ian and Rob as well at seven pm, so keep
an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
He'll be here all evening long.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
And guys, we can go back to Graysable on a
second and shout about who the Seahawks got yesterday. I
guess the question is did they get the right guy?
Because Donovan Jackson of Ohio State Hugh started fifty one
games for the Buck Guys on a national championship team,
and Dick brought up, you know, the concern, of course,
of the quality of competition that Grey z Abel was
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going against. Well, Donovan Jackson played against the best defensive
lineman in America almost week in and week out, especially
with that deep playoff run. So this is the guy
that went twenty fourth. He went six picks later. Did
they get the right guard in I didn't study him
because he went over to tackle. Got it when Josh
(23:29):
Simmons got.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Hurt and his first his first game was against Abdul
Carter took a couple of sacks. Then he didn't allow
any sacks thereafter. I've told you, guys, I look at
the guys I think are going in the first round.
The information I got that he was more likely to
Obviously I got bad information because he went in the
first round. But at this point I'm not looking back
(23:53):
on it. I mean, you he got Gray's Abel and
here we go, coach.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
When you take a pick in the middle of the
first round, what is the expectation. Is it just good
enough to have a starting caliber player for eight to
ten years, or do you need a little something more
from your eighteenth overall pick.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
No, I think I think if you have you take
that pick and he plays, he's the starter for ten years. Yep,
he was a good pick. I mean it was a
good pick because how often do you see that. It
doesn't happen all that often. You know, there are a
lot of mistakes that are made in the first round,
and uh, you know, shoot, I we the draft is
(24:32):
a little bit of a roll the dice sometimes, you know,
it really is. You have can we all have examples
of guys who we thought or somebody thought they were
going to be rated very high, were drafted very high,
and it didn't work. I've always looked at quarterbacks, and
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so we have a long list of quarterbacks. It didn't work.
They were picked because.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Of a need.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
People got panicky. They the guy it wasn't He wasn't good.
It just didn't work. And so no, Dick, I would say,
if he played, if he could play for ten years
and be the start for you, yeah, you got really
something good in the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We'll go back to when you drafted Hutchinson, right, because
that was that was your show baby in two thousand
and one, and you took Steve seventeenth. Well, this is
the highest drafted guard since then. I mean just imagine
sitting around twenty four years later until the Seahawks draft
to guard and literally almost these same spot as you
took hutch twenty four years ago. So what did you
expect out of him when you took him, and what
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would you be expecting out of this guy twenty four
years later?
Speaker 8 (25:36):
Well, to be absolutely honest, okay, I I my emphasis
during the draft was usually skilled positions, right. I relied
heavily on my line coaches.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Who is your line coach that year two thousand and one.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Tom Lavat got it and I Bob mcittrick was in
San Francisco. Tom Lavat, I was really fortunate to have
really good guys, and so I trusted him once they
told me this guy. Then I look at some film,
but I really relied on them. But in case you
know the story, I went back there and both Schambackler
(26:10):
comes up to me and I was teasing him about
when he was at Michigan and I was at BAYU
and we beat them in the Holiday Ball. Sorry, you
we beat them in the Holiday Ball. No, No, I
didn't say first. So I didn't. I just I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't follow up. I just said that
was one game. But I said and he after the game,
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he blew up and said they held the old game.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
So he comes up to me in the thing and
I go, hey, how's it going. He goes, Mike, how's
it going. You know, we talked a little. He goes,
So I knew I wanted just you know, I said,
you know, we did not hold in that game. Typical
shand Becker weren't talking about other things. And he just goes,
what do you mean. Once he calmed down, he goes,
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I'm going to tell you one thing. All the guys
here and they had a lot of guys coming out.
Good team, because that's the guy. Take him, and he
pointed in Steve. So once he did once he did that,
that's a big endorsement. Oh yeah, once he did that.
But look it and then Steve, you know, I I
can't say I was as mad at him when he
(27:16):
left to go to Minnesota as I've ever been with
the player. And I love the guy. Maybe that's why
I was mad. Yeah, you know. Uh, And we came
down and he was crying, and I was mad and
yelling and it was but he he did it and
he left. And I contend there were a couple times
in the in the years following that where we were
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one play away from maybe going the championship game. That
game in Chicago, all we need to do is get
a first down on a quick play to Matt Strong
off the left tackle or off the left side. If
much had been playing, I say, we would, you know,
I mean, but that's what I say.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I was going to ask a different question.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
But I feel like there's this a little more there,
and maybe some of our listeners need to be refreshed
or don't know about it. So when Hutch went to
Minnesota and Tim Ruskell, there's things you won't say that
we'll say that Tim Ruskell does totally mismanaged that whole situation, right,
And is there anything looking back now you got the
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years to on wisdom on that. Is there anything that
you look and you say, if I had to go
through that experience again, it wasn't your fault.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
It was Ruscal's fault. Let's make that clear.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
But is there anything that you look back and you say,
I could have done this to avoid Ruscal's catastrophic mistake.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
You know what, Hugh, I at that particular time. One
of the reasons I was so angry. I was mad
at Steve, but I was mad at Tim too. We
had a meeting, we had a meeting about about Steve,
and when I left the meeting, we were going to
franchise Steve. Steve came down to my own right after
(29:00):
we had that meeting, and I told him, Hey, you
know I can't lose you. We're gonna franchise you. I'm
sorry the contract he wanted didn't work out, Okay, And
then I'm in I'm in back in some NFL meeting
and John Clayton comes up to me and goes, Hutch
is going to Minnesota. I go, what, Yeah, you transitioned him. Yeah,
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I said, no, we franchised him. No, you transitioned him
and allowed Minnesota to make up this phony deal. Then
now it's called the Hutch rule.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So franchise is full protection. He gets the average of
the top five sellars transition, he would get the average
of the top ten. But and but he would have
an ability to go seek other contracts, which you would
be we could match the max. But they put the
poison pill some bolt crap about how many days you
(29:52):
play in Minnesota or Seattle whatever. It was like a
ridiculous and they outlawed the poison pill. But getting back
to the meat of the bone, So you have a
you're the head coach, you have a GM. You've agreed
to franchise, which means Steve Hutchinson is property the Seattle Stea.
Next scene, a reporter tells you, no, you just lost
your Hall of Fame guard.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
What happens then? What kind of.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Communication happens then between you and the general manager.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
I went right into their office. I went right into
their office and and Mike Reinfeldt was there.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Too, he's the finance guy, finance guy.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
And I go and I I exploded. I was mad,
how can we do this? Wait a minute, We've said
you you lied to me. You said this is you guys.
What'd you do?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
What?
Speaker 8 (30:36):
What was you doing?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
You're saying this to Tim Ruskill right to his face.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
There and then he goes, uh, you know, he goes, hey, listen,
Paul Allen, He's gonna phone in a second once to
know what's going on. You know, that's the first thing
out of his mouth, and he goes, could you could
you cover? I mean, could you? So Paul gets on
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the and I should.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Have I should have told them to take a high
you deal with it?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 8 (31:07):
No? But so I but that was typical of those days.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
It was just weird. Wow.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
So he gets Paul phones and goes, so can someone
tell me what happened? And both those two guys look
at me and oh my god, man, And I said,
and I should have said, if you're asking me what
I could have done differently? I should have said, these
two guys, I should have said.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
That our fur rug yeah, And I.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
Said, I'm leaving the room right.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Now, right Well, you could have done differently is just
hold Ruskal's band and walk him over.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
But I just said we thought we had him, or
we thought we could match the contract because of the transition,
or you know, I forget what I said. I've kind
of blocked that from my memory.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
But I don't blame you.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
I was I angry.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Well, hopefully we're having that same conversation about whether or
not the Franchi is able, but if they do franchise them,
they actually take care of.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
It and get it done right, the right way.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
I mean, there's a way to do it.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Now.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
What they did in the poison pill is they they
made heat. We had to pay hutch more than we
paid Walter, and we've just done, you know, because Walter
was our highest paid lineman. And and then the word
that we can't pay a guard that much, right, I go, wait,
you know.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
It was forty nine million.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, well you know what, Look this it's topical because
the Seahawks just took a guard at number eight and
the highest drafted guard since then.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Can we be done with this conversation? We got to
the subject. We can move on right now.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
I've completely forgotten about it, Okay.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Good, Yeah, it ever happened, all right, I'm the one
who was dragged it is.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It is topical. I mean, look, unfortunately, I'm sorry. Actually,
you know it's gonna get talked about.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I actually didn't say the things I said.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, well, because I didn't want to get in trouble
put in the book. Uh, because it's good.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean with this this timing of this pick was
Abel and the Hutchinson angle, It's gonna it's gonna get
brought up. I mean, it'll be discussed for sure, because
it's been twenty four years since you had drafted them.
All Right, we're gonna break. We're getting close to Round two.
Seahawks have four picks. We'll talk about some other stuff
going on, including some big name still on the board.
The shaduor Sanders thing, obviously, is a major topic of
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intrigue for a lot of people around the country. We'll
get to all that next from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Round two begins in twenty minutes right here on ninety
three to three KJRFM, Welcome to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
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Speaker 6 (33:46):
It's excited.
Speaker 11 (33:47):
I mean, it's there's still some good, you know, damning
players up there, right, so we're excited to keep rocket.
I mean, this is like we've talked about this before.
The first the first night's like this entertainment world and
you know, tomorrow, and we wait forever to pick, and
then Saturdays like roll up sleeves and Saturday's most fun day.
But yeah, Tomorrow's Tomiles gonna be fun as well because
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there's a lot of really good players up there.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
Saturday, I say something, Sure, go ahead to say Saturday's
you know I love John, right, but he and Mike,
you know they it's a different era, right, let's rock
and roll. Let's do that. I don't think I ever
said that, but Saturday, bless his heart, he thinks Saturday
is a great day, yealy because the draft is over.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
That That's exactly it. On vacations, go across the dinos
and enjoy himself.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I mean, they got they got five picks on Saturday,
four picks tonight, starting with number fifty for now, I mean,
obviously some of the bigger storylines, guys. The Browns have
two of the first four picks in the second round,
thirty three and thirty six. After the trade where the
Jaguars the Saints will be up at forty the Jets
will be up at forty two.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
The Browns have a couple.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
The reason why I bring up all those picks, guys,
is because Shador Sanders is sitting there, had that draft
party yesterday, you know, created this big draft room with
his I don't know if legendary is that like his
hat company or something. I don't know what that was
all about, but you know, hey, I mean, if you
if you saw the video, kudos to him. He stepped
up and had to address a crowd of disappointed people.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I mean, he took it like a man last night.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
So I kind of felt bad for him a little bit,
to be totally honest with you, But if all these
teams that need quarterbacks keep passing on Shador Sanders, I
mean I was talking to Rob rang He thinks.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Tyler Schuck might go before Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So should we expect that these quarterback needy teams that
one of them may grab this kid?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Or do you see maybe a bit of a free
fall coming fack? I don't know how he's evaluated. I
could see Shuck going in front. I could see Jalen milroll.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
If somebody just says, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna grab
a lottery pick, because if he reaches the ceiling, his
ceilings as high as anybody as if he can somehow
figure out how to process and how to pass a football, Mike,
but uh, uh you know, other than that, he's gonna
be a great quarterback, right, But uh, I don't know.
I'm I've watched a lot of the national narrative. I've
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been amused by Mike. I think there's a lot of
people who are chirping.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
They're not sufficiently informed about the substantive part of Shador
Sanders game that that is on the tape. And uh,
you know, I think Dion's gotta kind of he's he's
almost weaponized a lot of the media and and kind
of bullying the media. I think it's it's amusing to me,
(36:36):
but I look at it a lot the tape there
it will just from the from the time the season ended,
there's a common refrain, how did how did Shadr drop?
After the season? You know, he was he was supposed
to be a top two pick and now he's not
even in the first rounder. Well, since the end of
the season, he didn't go to the Senior Bowl when invited.
(36:57):
If you're at cam Ward's level, or if you're Joe
Burrow lever, you don't have to go to Senior bol
but if you're Sanders level, you probably should go to
the Super Bowl, the the the the Senior Bowl. There's
all these reports about how in the individual team meetings
he shows up arrogant and and uh and then.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
His Pro day he's throwing.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
First half of his pro day he's throwing wobbly balls,
and then he all of his outbreaking routes UH are
are floating. And in fact he had too where he
completes the out of bounds because the ball had such
an arc. He had allowsy pro day and all these
other things.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I could there's more on my list, but Mike, what's
your thought on on Chadur the fall of Chadur and
and the and the media coverage of the fall of Shador.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
I think I think they've been, in one respect, their
own worst anime, because you have a you have a
kid who's a quarterback in college and it's thrown for
X amount of yards and he's done all these things,
but they've surrounded him. I don't know who, but the
the the the stuff that's gone out about him because
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of his dad, a lot of it right where his
dad has kind of done it that has hurt him.
I think it's hurt him instead of just listen, I'm
a football player. Take me for what I am. It's large,
it's he's like a movie star, larger than life, you know.
And uh, I think that's hurt him. And so people
(38:27):
when they start studying like you do you and they say, well,
wait a second, you know, I mean this is these things,
this is uh, this doesn't work. This is I've seen
guys that do this better and better and better if
you really study it hard.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
He was your fifth guy on your on your list.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Right, we can come back and discuss this more.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
We're gonna break a little bit early here to make
out here to make sure we're ready to go for
the Browns.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Pick at number thirty three. We'll pick up this discussion.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Get to round number two next from the Virginia Mason
Athletic Center right here on ninety three to three KJRFM
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