April 9, 2025 • 37 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen chat with Larry Stone about the Mariners comeback win today to beat Houston, Julio, the pitching, and continued issues with the team, then they do a deep dive into prospects Jalen Milroe and Travis Hunter.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with legendary sports writer
Larry Stone, brought to you by the Ram Restaurant and Brewery, Bigger,
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, boys and girls, we are back at the
Jimmy's on First across the street from Tmobile Park. Big
thanks to the RAM for sponsoring the shindig every single week.
And thank God for the miracle of Zoom. By the way,
because our phone lines are not working, so Larry Stone
does have the Internet and he is capable of logging
onto the web and going to a Zoom call. We
got him right now, Larry. First of all, how about
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that unbelievable Mariner's down five nothing. They're looking four and
nine in a five game deficit with a series against
the Rangers starting.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Friday, right in the kisser, and then Randy A.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Rosarina shows up Julio with an two double to tie
it in the ninth inning. Randy gets the game winning
walk win of the year. No doubt, and it feels
like a game the Mariners absolutely had to have.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I tweeted that it was the unlikeliest Mariner when I
could remember in a long, long time.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
They were just dead and buried. I mean, flash back
to the eighth inning.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
They load the bases with no outs, and then suddenly
the bases are loaded with two outs, and you just
you know it's gonna be another Mariner squandered rally and
then he hits the home run and then they rally
in the ninth. I don't think anyone saw that coming.
I certainly didn't see that coming. I was anticipating how
this show.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Was going to go.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
We were going to talk about the four and nine
Mariners and what were they going to do? Was a
time to clean house and all that. Now suddenly there's
just there's a new perspective on things.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
And a lot of people are driving home and haven't
seen this. But you know, when you look at that
that hack that around Rose Raina put on that ball,
I mean, like all outward signs are he was thinking
nothing but grand salami because he had a high leg
kick and then that fall through, I mean it was
low and inside and he gave that.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
He yanked everything he could that in that fall through.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
I mean, he golfed it and he looked like a
long drive competitor. That guy was really swinging to get
that Grand Slam.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Absolutely, And then the game winning walk was almost as
impressive the discipline it took. I think he fell behind
zho and two and then or one and two and
then to ride it out and lay off the pitches
that he had to lay off to win the game,
because you know, if they've gone to extra innings, they
haven't fared well in extra innings in San Francisco certainly,
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so you know, just to have that rally fall short
would have been.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Would have been frustrating as well.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But I mean all seven runs were driven in by
a Rose Reina or Julio. Yeah, and when you cup,
when you compare it to what happened last night. As
bad offensive performance as you know any of us have
seen in a while, one for nineteen with runners in
scoring position in nineteen strikeouts. That's why this was so unlikely,
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because this team has struggled in those situations all year,
and it didn't seem like this was going to be
the day that they snapped out of it, but they did.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, well, Larry Stones with us again, Curtsey of the
Ram the Ms win seven to six. They fall behind
five to nothing, get four in the A three and
the ninth and get the victory over Houston. And look,
obviously we'll have to wait and see what this game means. Right,
They got a day off tomorrow and then Texas coming.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Here for three.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
They could easily lose two out of three and lose
any momentum they had in this Astro series. But for
Julio Rodriguez himself, right, it's a guy that was on
the air with us a couple of days ago, Larry
actually was yesterday, I'm sorry, and he got a quote
I think it was before the Astros series where he said, look,
despite the record, I think things are looking up and
that were actually playing pretty good baseball, and there were
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some people that criticized him for that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I'm curious about your.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Reaction to what Julio said and just how big that
double could be for him tonight.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah, you know, I know a lot of people were
upset by that quote. They wanted I think they wanted
him to say how bad they were doing, but I
didn't I think he was just trying to stay positive
and pump the team up. Sometimes you say things just
to say things, and so, you know, I take that
with a grain of salt. But he was really scuffling
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since he had that big game in San Francisco, I
think the first game of the series. I think he
was like one for nineteen or something like that, so
desperately needed. He's had two huge hits this year. He
had that home run against Oakland that won the game
two to one, laid home run, and then this one,
which you know pretty much saved the win for them.
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So but between that, he hasn't look like the Julio
that everybody wants him to be. Everyone's still waiting for
him to take off and be that that superstar.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's still very early in the season.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Uh, and you know, maybe something like this can propel him.
There's been there's been signs of it and a little
sparks of it, but it just hasn't been consistent yet.
And yet you know, they've they've started posting war now
and he's right up there with a point zero point
five war this early in the season. I think it's
tops on the team among the position players. Other than Polonko.
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So he is. You hear people who say they should
send him down and all that, which is just foolhardy.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
But they the same thing we said, Dave going into
the season.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
For them to get to where they need to go,
where they want to go, they need Julio to be
a superstar.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And we haven't seen it yet, but it's still early.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Well in the clutch situations, just to you know, to
so that he looks in the mirror and he sees, hey, I'm.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
A clutch player, you know.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Yeah, But but you know, he we talked, we heard
talk about him in spring training really looking to work
the opposite side and and uh, I know you've admired
hitting for a long time, Larry. That that ball on
an O two, I would say it was an inch
below the strike zone and an inch outside the strike zone.
But he went down on the corner and uh and
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punched it opposite you know, down near the right field
line well with a lot of uh, with a lot
of zest and got the double out of it. Just
just talk about your impression of the hitting in that
particular case today.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, you you you nailed it. That's that was
textbook that's that's the way you do it. You don't
try and hit. You know, we've all seen him swing
out of his shoes and fall down into the opposite
batter's box and in those kind of situations.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Uh, he didn't do that there.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
He stayed poised, He stayed within himself, did exactly what
they've been preaching to him. Go go with a pitch
the opposite way. When he does that, and if he
could do that consistently, it's, uh, you know, he's a
different player, and uh so it's it's a it's a
very good sign.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
We all the talk going into the season was how
they were going to build on last year and manufacture
runs and go with the pitch and you know, use
to go up the middle and not strike out and
all that, and uh, you know, once the season started,
we really haven't seen much of that. They are doing
better in strikeouts there they ranked tenth in the majors
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instead of first, which is a major which and they're
and their second in walks of the major leagues too,
So those are good signs, but we we just haven't
seen them, ah, manufacturing runs and situational hitting and all
that stuff that that this season was supposed to be
all about.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So when you see Julio having a bat like that,
it's encouraging.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, there's a lot of things to be happy about today,
But overall, Larry, there's a lot of concerns, right, And
it's not just about the five and eight record. I mean, whatever,
I can handle five and eight, Okay, it's fine. You
got one hundred and forty nine games left to go.
But the injuries. Man, Ryan Bliss is on the ten
day I l with a left bicep tear. I'm no doctor,
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but a left bicep tear sounds like a lot longer
than ten days to me. And obviously Victor Roblest is
going to be out for three months with a fracture
in his shoulder. So I mean, can they just rely
on dominant canzone to come up? Can they rely on
Luke Rayley and Dylan Moore platooning in right field? Or
is it time to maybe call one of the young
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guns up from Triple A?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
How do you handle this roster now with these injuries?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
If you're Jerry Depoto, yeah, it's a tough one. There's
not much available on the market of JD. Martinez is
still unsigned. But he's DH only at this point in
his career, and it looks like Polonco. In your list
of injuries, you didn't mention Polanco, but it looks like
he can't play defensively consistently. And now it looks like
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he can't back right handed. So, uh, you know that's
another costly He's he's the best hitter on the team
right now. You need him, so uh the the problem
with their kids in the miners. The one guy that
I think could be up here soon would be Tyler Locklear,
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who is tearing it up in Tacoma so far in
the season. I was kind of surprised they didn't bring
him up instead of can Zone. But you know, Cole
young is, I don't know if he's ready, he would
be a likely guy to bring up. And I don't
know who else, who else really there is. I think
you got to ride with what you got right now.
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First base is going to be a problem area. I
think that if if Rowdy Teles does start hitting, you
might have to You might see Locklear come up, and
I don't think I would mind that. Uh, second base,
I think it's going to be uh makeshift situation.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
They just don't have that much else to go to
right now, so that's it's a it's a tough situation
for them, for sure.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
The new Luis Castillo, who I'm calling two point oh,
I'm just calling him two point oh.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
He starts today and and then thankfully, obviously the Miners
still won the game. But it does bring into question, uh,
that that he's pitching today because the Mariners were one
and done with Emerson Handcock granted a bad outing, but
it seemed like there had been more to build on
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with him. What was your reaction to that move.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I I I'm not second second guessing, and I guess
you're first guessing.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I'm first.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I first guessed it.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
It's like your whole office in plan was predicated on
Emerson Hancock being your swing guy, and then when George
got hurt early in spring training, you groomed to be
to be your number starter, number five starter for five
weeks or four weeks, and then one bad outing, you
you cut bait on that. I just don't don't didn't
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understand it, and don't understand it. I would have given
him another start because the Luis Castillo f Castillo has
just showed that he's he's he's not the guy that's
gonna that's gonna hold down that number.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Five start starting position.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And it puts such pressure on your bullpen to have
three outings now from the from the number five starter,
where they've gone uh two thirds of an inning, three
innings and four innings, they're they're the most overworked bullpen
in baseball. I think the stats show so, uh, you know,
Hancock's fifteen days that you had that's required to beat
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out in the minors is going to be up soon.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I would think that he would be back and begin
another shot.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
But he's at least shown that he could give you
five or six pretty good innings that you know, that
one start notwithstanding, and yeah, he got lit up in
that start, but there was also some bad luck in
there that he could have gotten out of that first
inning with a couple of dribblers, a couple of bloopers.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
So I don't know why they did that.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
It set them in motion for some bad things to
happen in the next two times they had to go
to that spot.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, Larry's Stone again with us courtesy of the RAM
with us every Wednesday, Mariners came back from five to
nothing down today and they won seven to six. I'm
sure a lot of people that five nothing said they
hell would it, just went and started doing something else
and maybe even missed the comeback.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But Randy E.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Rose Arena grand Slam in the eighth movie, or Rodriguez
game tying double the ninth and then a Rose Arena
draws the game winning walk off of a guy and
a braw who would not allowed a Nerd run yet
this year, and they got to in the ninth inning.
But Larry, you mentioned Rowdy toleslre and I don't know
how much longer that experiment is going to last. He's
making one point five million. There's a reason why the
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guy was on the free agent market for six months
after he got let go by Pittsburgh. He's hitting fifty
as an Oh fifty, it's only been you know, twelve
thirteen games. But how long is the is the is
the patient's string? You think between the front office and
Rowdy Tellez. Oh, we got Larry, We had Larry let
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me read him down there. Okay, I gotta ask the
question again. I mean, it was such a great question.
Maybe somebody wants to hear it again, Larry, do we
have you?
Speaker 6 (13:33):
We do not?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right now, guys, you do not have Larry. All right,
we've lost Larry. Well, it's just perfect for today because
you know what, this is the price you pay. You
can either have a a functioning telephone, be a functioning
zoom call, or see a Mariner win.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I choose see I will.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I will gladly sacrifice you, the phone lines and the
zoom call going down for a Mariner win. But I
think it's to me that Tellez thing is absolutely a
topic that needs to be discussed. How much longer are
they gonna stick with this guy? That again, there's a
reason why nobody wanted him for six months. There's a
reason why they're paying him one point five million dollars.
And I don't think that's lost on me, by the
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way here, and I wonder if you agree the fact
that you have a starting first basement on a team
that should be in the playoff conversation, that's thirty years old,
that's making one point five million dollars if he's a
young guy, a on a on a rookie deal, you know,
not yet up for arbitration. I get it, but this
is a thirty year old veteran who's making barely over
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a million dollars for a reason, and is your starting
first basement pal.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
No, I was making a similar argument with Marquez Valdez Scanley.
You know, I think it was thirty thirty one. And
you know, look, I don't think you just make a decision.
You say, okay, I'm gonna I'm put in concrete whatever
the market has deemed this player. That's it. That's all. No,
that's fooless, But you do, you do take a note
of it, right, like, like, isn't that a little bit alarming?
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Like what as a general rule, isn't the default?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
It?
Speaker 7 (15:00):
By and large, the market is reflective of the talent,
right or in the manner you described, if you if
you're if you're out just without a club, and then
you sign you know, at or near the minimum, right, Yes,
that obviously that.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
That makes it.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Now a guy can overcome that, sure, right, But but
it does it does raise alarms for sure. And then
when you you you watch how he's producing, and there's
not really much at the plate, there's not much in
terms of range at first base. I can't imagine I
haven't done a study on the twenty nine other first baseman.
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But come on, Dave, that you gotta be you know
what what is uh? What does ersay say? Bottom quartile?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes, no, he's been terrible, and again, you know you
want to give the guy a little bit of a break.
I guess it's only been twelve games whatever. But this
is a guy again who a lot of eyebrows were
raised when they signed him to be your starting first baseman.
We thought maybe Luke Rayley would be that guy, and
now with the Roblest injury, he's gonna be platooning in
right field. Dhing he could play some first base, But
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the infield is a friggin mess, dude. I mean, there's
no doubt. Like Polanco is not an everyday defensive third baseman.
He is a liability defensively at third base. Rowdy Tlayz
is a liability offensively at first base. So you want
to put Polanko at first and bring up a guy
like Williamson to play third, sign someone to play third.
But this is the optics for me, and I don't
know if you guys agree on this or not, the
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optics of the corner positions in the infield. Excuse me
the right field position, in the third base spot. Let
me just clarify, the optics are freaking terrible because you've
gone from Taoscar Hernandez, who, by the way, has an
eight ninety one ops right now with the Dodgers and
was kicked ass a year ago in right field, to
Mitch Hanneger, who was so freaking bad you paid him
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fifteen million dollars not to play for you, and the
guy that he took his spot has now banged up
for three months.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
At third base.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You got rid of Gino Suarez, who had thirty bombs
and one hundred ribbies a year ago. It is on
pace for sixty eight home runs right now in Arizona.
You let him go, you didn't want to pay him.
Now you got a guy in Polanco who can't even
get the damn ball across the infield, I mean the
right field spot. The optics of what they had at
third base and what they have now at third and
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what they had it right and what they have now
at right or a freaking joke. They look terrible with
those decisions they've made, and most of them were to
save their own ass money. And it pisses me off
that we're sitting here talking.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
About this and the best defender you had in the infield, Bliss,
as you said, Okay, we got a torn bicep there.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
You know, JP's got a good glove. What's his range?
Speaker 7 (17:45):
He doesn't have Bliss's range, you know, you know, yeah, yeah,
there's a lot of problems. And then moreover, if there
was I don't there's a lot of ball busting in
the NFL. I assume there's a lot of ball busting
in baseball, least as much because they're around each other.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Right.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
If there was a tub for the sub Mendoza guys,
oh god, okay, you got to go into the sub
Mondoza tub like it's overflowing. The water's overflowing, and you know,
you know, there's no room.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
So so, uh, yeah, it is that.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Now I do feel bad that, you know, probably some
people just listening and say, wait a minute, aren't we
happy about the win we've been Yeah, and it is
a hell of a win.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I just thought probable one that yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Yeah, So so that we kind of migrated to uh uh.
We took the helicopter from you know, one hundred feet
which was today, and and we kind of went up
to about fifteen twenty thousand feet to just kind of
take a look.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
So we've evolved in the discussion.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
But no, David, you're exactly right, you know, and and
those spots, Uh, it doesn't seem like there's any cavalry
coming right, Like each of you ain't walking through the door.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
No, no, right, Well, the Ben Williamson thing for me,
he hit four seventy and Cactus League. I know you
can't just base it on that, but I think it
might be time to get the kid a shot to
play third base.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And we're gonna be at.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Cheney Stadium on Friday, and he's probably gonna be there,
so looking forward to seeing him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
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Mike Florio joining us in the six pm hour. We're
re obviously reacting to the Mariner win down five to nothing,
they come back and win seven to six. Let's table
that though for a second, Hue, because our favorite NBA reporter,
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whose father is one of our favorite x NBA owners,
Jordan Schultz. And I'm being sarcastic, by the way. I
want to vomit whatever I say that name. He's sick
that I have to give this guy credit. But it's
what we do in this business, is reporting that Jalen
Milrow of Alabama is going to visit the Seahawks after
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meeting with the Browns earlier this week. Now, I will
just say this to you, I have not studied him
the way you have. I watched a little bit more
Alabama football this year than normal because of Kaylen Debora.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'll be totally honest with you.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And every time I watch Jalen Milroe play, I said,
this guy can't throw like what happened to him. His
arm is like a feticini noodle. It's terrible. I'm seeing
a miss throws down the field. I'm seeing a miss
intermediate passes, short passes in front, behind, in the dirt,
missing guys by fifteen feet. I thought he was awful
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as a passer for Alabama. So Jalen Milroe visiting the Seahawks,
does that do anything for you?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Men?
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Well, he's an incredible athlete, we know that, right, Like
I mean, a big, thick guy that really has has
some juice. But really the question is he more Anthony
Richardson or is he more you know, Lamar Jackson or
Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Right?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
And I agree with you, David.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
I have a general position with quarterbacks in accuracy. I
think a lot of people when they evaluate accuracy, they're
looking for mechanical defects. You know, where's the kinetic chain
in terms of okay, is his balance off? Is his
elbow in the wrong spot? You know those type of things.
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For me, that is rare.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I do not.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
I think that more often than not, by the time
you get to the highest level, right, inaccurate quarterbacks, in
my opinion, it's not that they can't direct the football
to go sufficiently to the spot. Let me explain what
I mean. A picture is working only in a static target. Right,
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the mid is right there, and he's got to hit that.
He's got to be precise. But it's a static target.
Quarterbacks are dealing in almost all cases with dynamic targets.
They're moving. So it's not so much can you can
you hit the target? What that your brain wants to
hit is your brain accurately adequately calculating the direction? You know,
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think of an aviation terms. Uh, the term is vectoring.
You're you're trying to intersect where if you're shooting skeet
shooting versus rifle shooting. And so I think that the
breakdown for accuracy is more often than not, it has
to do with, as I said, how your your mind.
The right brain is your creative side. It sees the
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imagery and you're leading a receiver. Milroe is one of
those one out of tens or one out of twenties
that actually has mechanical defects as well. I think I
think that he bad. That he looks disjointed. There's not
a natural flow to hit. How he throws. He's not
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a natural thrower, you know. In another era he wouldn't
have been a quarterback. Sure, and I don't say that
with any pride. That's a that's a black mark on
on how people have evaluated for many decades. So they
would have just said, dude, you're you're you're not a quarterback, right.
So it's good that he's gotten the opportunities in a
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very impactful college quarterback. That's not what we're concerned about.
What we're concerned about is he more Anthony Richardson or
is he more Lamar Jackson or Jalen.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Hurts, Right?
Speaker 7 (24:31):
And well, yeah, I mean I just know there's just
some big time fundamental accuracy issues with this guy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, if you're telling me he's got mechanical problems, I
mean some of that can be coached up right at
the NFL level, There's no question about that. And he
is an athlete that is elite as a runner. I
mean he ran for one hundred and forty yards against Auburn,
one hundred and eighty five against LSU, one hundred and
seventeen against Georgia in that game where they had remember
Alabama had.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That huge lead for Georgia came.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Back and then Alabama eventually found a way to in
the game, but Alabama fans were pissed off.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I remember talking to my guy Ryan Fowler down there.
They couldn't believe what happened in that game. They thought
they were gonna kick Georgia's ass, and then Georgia came
back and made it a game. And then the next
week they lost a Vanderbilt and he was just kind
of mediocre in that game. So I don't know, man,
I mean, people are talking about it first or a
second round draft.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Pick for Milroe to me for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
If you're drafting him in the first or second round,
you're drafting him to be the replacement to Sam Darnold.
And I just don't see any world right now where
Jalen Milroe can be a replacement for anybody and be
a regular, every day, every down quarterback in the NFL.
There's been some guys that I've seen that could not
throw in college and then made a move. Tyler Huntley
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is one of them. But Tyler Huntley is not a
starting quarterback in the NFL either. I know we made
the Pro Bowl, but the Pro Bowl's a joke. He
made the Pro Bowl by playing in four games two
years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Man forget about it. I just I'm not gonna get
you going to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I just think to me, if you're thinking about Milrowe
in the first round, man, that would be And I'll
say it right now, if the Seahawks make that move
at eighteen, they draft Jalon Milroe in the first round,
I'm gonna be stunned and disgusted with a move like that.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
I'm gonna assuage your concern. Now, I could be wrong,
but there's if I would put in a probability that
they would draft him in the first round. It is
so scant now they may be looking at him as
high as second round, which I think would be a reach.
You know, he feels more like a great round to me,
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but he's probably you know, yeah, I'm not gonna bet
that he won't go in the second round, but first
round I will be floored. I'll be stunned if any
team let alone Seattle at eighteen.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Yeah, well, you know we've seen Snyder trade back to
get offensive lineman late in the first round. I don't
even think Milroe is worth a late first round now.
A beautiful athlete, but there's just too much missing in
terms of his quarterbacking.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, I would, I would. I would say this one.
You said he's not worth a late first rounder. When
you said he's not worth a late I thought the
next words out of your mouth, we're gonna be sucking rounder.
To be totally honest with you, I'm not even sure
if i'd take him late in the second round to
do what to do?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
What?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Though he honestly discard you?
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I thought you were you were you were, you were
raised the specter of se No I did, I did,
and I did.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I'm trying to. I would go even further. I wouldn't
even take him in the second round. I mean, Hugh,
I'm not even sure if i'd take him in the
third round. Like, what are you drafting him for? To
be Taysom Hill? Is that what you're drafting him for?
To be a short down yardage quarterback?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
You know, to be a running back for you? You
want the guy to play tight end. He's only six
foot two, I believe, if I have my numbers correct,
he was a big boy. But my god, dude, I
just the guy can't freaking throw and everything you just said,
mechanical problems, fundamental problems with his arm, I'm I'm totally.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
With you man, this no no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Now, John Wooden had his pyramid, right, you've heard that, right,
and and so there's always that the most vital aspect
at the pyramid. If I were to create a quarterbacking pyramid,
there'd be a lot of things in there, just like
there's a lot of things on the John Wooden leadership pyramid,
you know, including arm strength, mobility and all. But at
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the very top, the keystone the top would be the
following sentence, throw it to the right guy at the
right time.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Actually, accuracy that that is the.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Most vital thing. You can not have a lot of
the other things in the pyramid. But if you don't
have that, you can't play, cannot play you in the
national pub So pro everything about decision making. Processing. As
a fan might say, well, what does that mean? Well,
for me studying the position over fifty years, processing decision making,
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throw it to the right guy at the right time. Now,
there's a hell of a lot to that. There's there's
defensive recognition, there's handling, the protection. Like I'm not saying
that there's not a lot to it, but in the end,
that's what it is. I've got the football, and I've
got to do something with the football, and there's only
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seven things I can do. Okay, there's only seven things
that I can do with the football. On a pass play,
I can throw it to my first, second, third, fourth,
or fifth option in the progression, and rarely do you
get your fifth. Rarely you get to your fourth. I
can throw it out of bounds because nothing there, or
I can run. There are seven things you can do
as a quarterback with the football, and deciding what to
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do with it when is really the essence of it.
And we haven't seen that from Milroe in any kind
of consistent sense.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, we're starting to get locked into cam Warden number
one to Tennessee if you're the Browns, or you're locked
into Travis Hunter. We'll come back and talk about him
and where does he play, by the way next On
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
All right, kids, we're back here at Jimmie's on first
Mariners got to win today. They're down five to nothing
and they come back and they win seven to six.
How many people Hugh and Jackson you think are driving
around right now flipped off the game when it was
five nothing, said the hell with it, turned the radio
station back on right now, picking the kids up from
whatever after school activities.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
They were doing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Do kids still do that, by the way, do they
have like after school specials and movies and all that
stuff whatever, basically like babysitters? You know, we used to
have that stuff back in the day so my parents
could work until five o'clock. But how many people had
no idea the Mariners came back and won the game today?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
A lobby A few of them, don't you think.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Hugh?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Oh, I thought you, yeah, I think that hurt to Hugh. Well,
I thought Jackson was responding. I thought you just you
have any nice conversation with Jackson.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Talk you got something to do.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
All I can ever fit in is one word. There's
just for you. Well, I can get in more than
one word. We're all aware of that. I had to
say it before you did.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
God.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Well, uh well, yeah, I mean these kind of things
are gonna happen, and it's you know, they're gonna happen
for you, they're gonna happen against you. It's just, uh,
you know, it's like Roulette. You spin a Roulett wheel enough, Uh,
you know a ball is gonna land on on the
green zero or the green double zero, right, and and
and so uh you know it did today and it
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and obviously fortunately for for the Mariners in in a
good way.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
But yeah, I'm I'm with you. I'd like to know
the win.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Probability, right, But that grand slam, I'm telling you, For
those who haven't seen that swing, I mean it looked
like a long drive contest was a giant kick step
with his left foot and then the fall through.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
I mean it's like that.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
You know how how baseball players before they they come
up and they kind of do a downward action when
they're doing their practice swing, you know, like the balls
going down like they're going to chop down the ball.
You know, remember that phenomenon, and you know it's just
kind of you know, they're they're I guess they're trying
to muscle memory, you know, the swing plane they want
to be in, so they don't have too much of
an uppercut man. The uppercuted that all of that went
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out the window, all of it like it looked like
they're that swing. If it doesn't connect's a really monster,
ugly swing because it was just so clear that he
wanted to break the baseball in half.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So how about this top of the eighth sackfly by
Alvarez makes it five nothing Astros win probability for the
Astros ninety eight point four percent at that exact second
right there. I'm counting ps on this win probability crap.
By the way, these guys always get this stuff. Anyway,
here with the mock draft two weeks from the day
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doll sign up ninety three to three kJ R dot com,
we got a few minutes here. I want to get
your thoughts on the Browns and the number two hal
because it looks like cam Ward is going to be
the pick at number one to Tennessee. If you're the Browns,
can you afford to pass on a talent like Travis Hunterman?
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Yeah, if you want to take Abdul Carter and put
him on the upside side of Miles Garrett. If I'm
a Browns fan, I wouldn't be opposed to that whatsoever.
But Travis Hunter been looking at Tippy. He's a very
very interesting player, right. Obviously in this you just start
with the fact that you know he played, you know,
eleven hundred snaps right and and on both sides of
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the ball. You know, when you I'm looking at him
and study him, evaluate him as a corner. And I'm saying, okay,
suspend my knowledge that he's a receiver. I'm only evaluating
him as a corner, right, And what is he deserving of?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (34:00):
You know what pick? Is he deserving?
Speaker 7 (34:02):
It?
Speaker 6 (34:02):
The second pick?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Because the draft really does you touch on it, Dave,
The draft starts with the Browns because it I think
everybody at this point is gonna be stunned if Cam
a Ward is not a Tennessee Titan. But I would
just say, look, he's an athlete playing corner. And he
is a ridiculous athlete. I mean, his movement skills, his
short area, he plays with length when he needs to.
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He is he is really an exquisite athlete. But his
technique is so random and so inconsistent and so uh,
I mean his his technique is as poor as you're
likely to see for a guy considered to be a
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top five pow uh. And he was the blitanikof Award
winner for the best receiver, and he was the Beck
the bed Nerick for the best defensive player.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Check me on the Thorpe, which is the the the.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
dB.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
But but even if he didn't get the Thorpe Award,
he got the bed and Rack Award, which is a
bigger award because it's all defensive players. So and and
of course the Heisman. And I I thought going into
the Heisman analysis that I'd vote for Dylan Gabriel and
then after I studied Travis Hunter on both sides of
the ball, I just said, no, no, no, this guy Hunter. Yeah, yeah,
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you know, he's an All American on both sides of
the ball. And and uh so I've voted for Travis Hunter.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
But I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
The kid from Texas won the Thorpe Award by the way.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Thorpe, but he won, he wins the bed and Eric.
But his ball skills are elite.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
He can go get the ball and you would expect
that because he's a receiver, right, but he you know,
he had an interception against Colorado State that he just
let you know is rare. You just don't see college
players doing that. He had a touchdown catch against North
Dakota State where he reached back and I don't I
don't know how he ends up catching that ball. So
it's ball skills are crazy. But the technique, there's times
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where he needs to be on the inside. He's on
the outside. His depth is wrong. He just doesn't seem
to be to need to be in a particular phase
with the guy. He just relies on his athleticism and
it often wins. I think he's better in off coverage
because he's got good instincts. He can cover ground. He's
like a defensive player in basketball that rotates off the
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ball and gets block shots off of his man. He
just has a sense of where the ball is going.
So he's great in that regard. I think he's got
a little chitt Okay final thought, he's uninterested in getting dirty,
like he's a he is a grabber. He doesn't want
to hit. That is a really disappointing part of it.
So I think this. I think that that the skill set,
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the mouldible the clay. If the Browns draft him, and
that wouldn't be too high, they gotta have a young
coach who knows how to deal with this guy because
because his technique needs it has a lot uh needs
a lot of work.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
But the skill set, oh boy.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, the idea of Abdull Carter playing alongside our opposite
Miles Garrett, that that is, and Garrett's been re signed
to a multi year deal is not going anywhere. Could
be that's a hell of a spot for Abdul Carter
to get off to a great career. Man that is,
that's juicy to think about those guys playing, all right,
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, boys and girls, we are back at the
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And thank God for the miracle of Zoom. By the way,
because our phone lines are not working, so Larry Stone
does have the Internet and he is capable of logging
onto the web and going to a Zoom call. We
got him right now, Larry. First of all, how about
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that unbelievable Mariner's down five nothing. They're looking four and
nine in a five game deficit with a series against
the Rangers starting.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Friday, right in the kisser, and then Randy A.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Rosarina shows up Julio with an two double to tie
it in the ninth inning. Randy gets the game winning
walk win of the year. No doubt, and it feels
like a game the Mariners absolutely had to have.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I tweeted that it was the unlikeliest Mariner when I
could remember in a long, long time.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
They were just dead and buried. I mean, flash back
to the eighth inning.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
They load the bases with no outs, and then suddenly
the bases are loaded with two outs, and you just
you know it's gonna be another Mariner squandered rally and
then he hits the home run and then they rally
in the ninth. I don't think anyone saw that coming.
I certainly didn't see that coming. I was anticipating how
this show.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Was going to go.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
We were going to talk about the four and nine
Mariners and what were they going to do? Was a
time to clean house and all that. Now suddenly there's
just there's a new perspective on things.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
And a lot of people are driving home and haven't
seen this. But you know, when you look at that
that hack that around Rose Raina put on that ball,
I mean, like all outward signs are he was thinking
nothing but grand salami because he had a high leg
kick and then that fall through, I mean it was
low and inside and he gave that.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
He yanked everything he could that in that fall through.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
I mean, he golfed it and he looked like a
long drive competitor. That guy was really swinging to get
that Grand Slam.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Absolutely, And then the game winning walk was almost as
impressive the discipline it took. I think he fell behind
zho and two and then or one and two and
then to ride it out and lay off the pitches
that he had to lay off to win the game,
because you know, if they've gone to extra innings, they
haven't fared well in extra innings in San Francisco certainly,
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so you know, just to have that rally fall short
would have been.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Would have been frustrating as well.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But I mean all seven runs were driven in by
a Rose Reina or Julio. Yeah, and when you cup,
when you compare it to what happened last night. As
bad offensive performance as you know any of us have
seen in a while, one for nineteen with runners in
scoring position in nineteen strikeouts. That's why this was so unlikely,
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because this team has struggled in those situations all year,
and it didn't seem like this was going to be
the day that they snapped out of it, but they did.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, well, Larry Stones with us again, Curtsey of the
Ram the Ms win seven to six. They fall behind
five to nothing, get four in the A three and
the ninth and get the victory over Houston. And look,
obviously we'll have to wait and see what this game means. Right,
They got a day off tomorrow and then Texas coming.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Here for three.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
They could easily lose two out of three and lose
any momentum they had in this Astro series. But for
Julio Rodriguez himself, right, it's a guy that was on
the air with us a couple of days ago, Larry
actually was yesterday, I'm sorry, and he got a quote
I think it was before the Astros series where he said, look,
despite the record, I think things are looking up and
that were actually playing pretty good baseball, and there were
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some people that criticized him for that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I'm curious about your.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Reaction to what Julio said and just how big that
double could be for him tonight.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah, you know, I know a lot of people were
upset by that quote. They wanted I think they wanted
him to say how bad they were doing, but I
didn't I think he was just trying to stay positive
and pump the team up. Sometimes you say things just
to say things, and so, you know, I take that
with a grain of salt. But he was really scuffling
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since he had that big game in San Francisco, I
think the first game of the series. I think he
was like one for nineteen or something like that, so
desperately needed. He's had two huge hits this year. He
had that home run against Oakland that won the game
two to one, laid home run, and then this one,
which you know pretty much saved the win for them.
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So but between that, he hasn't look like the Julio
that everybody wants him to be. Everyone's still waiting for
him to take off and be that that superstar.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's still very early in the season.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Uh, and you know, maybe something like this can propel him.
There's been there's been signs of it and a little
sparks of it, but it just hasn't been consistent yet.
And yet you know, they've they've started posting war now
and he's right up there with a point zero point
five war this early in the season. I think it's
tops on the team among the position players. Other than Polonko.
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So he is. You hear people who say they should
send him down and all that, which is just foolhardy.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
But they the same thing we said, Dave going into
the season.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
For them to get to where they need to go,
where they want to go, they need Julio to be
a superstar.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And we haven't seen it yet, but it's still early.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Well in the clutch situations, just to you know, to
so that he looks in the mirror and he sees, hey, I'm.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
A clutch player, you know.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Yeah, But but you know, he we talked, we heard
talk about him in spring training really looking to work
the opposite side and and uh, I know you've admired
hitting for a long time, Larry. That that ball on
an O two, I would say it was an inch
below the strike zone and an inch outside the strike zone.
But he went down on the corner and uh and
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punched it opposite you know, down near the right field
line well with a lot of uh, with a lot
of zest and got the double out of it. Just
just talk about your impression of the hitting in that
particular case today.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, you you you nailed it. That's that was
textbook that's that's the way you do it. You don't
try and hit. You know, we've all seen him swing
out of his shoes and fall down into the opposite
batter's box and in those kind of situations.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Uh, he didn't do that there.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
He stayed poised, He stayed within himself, did exactly what
they've been preaching to him. Go go with a pitch
the opposite way. When he does that, and if he
could do that consistently, it's, uh, you know, he's a
different player, and uh so it's it's a it's a
very good sign.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
We all the talk going into the season was how
they were going to build on last year and manufacture
runs and go with the pitch and you know, use
to go up the middle and not strike out and
all that, and uh, you know, once the season started,
we really haven't seen much of that. They are doing
better in strikeouts there they ranked tenth in the majors
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instead of first, which is a major which and they're
and their second in walks of the major leagues too,
So those are good signs, but we we just haven't
seen them, ah, manufacturing runs and situational hitting and all
that stuff that that this season was supposed to be
all about.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So when you see Julio having a bat like that,
it's encouraging.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, there's a lot of things to be happy about today,
But overall, Larry, there's a lot of concerns, right, And
it's not just about the five and eight record. I mean, whatever,
I can handle five and eight, Okay, it's fine. You
got one hundred and forty nine games left to go.
But the injuries. Man, Ryan Bliss is on the ten
day I l with a left bicep tear. I'm no doctor,
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but a left bicep tear sounds like a lot longer
than ten days to me. And obviously Victor Roblest is
going to be out for three months with a fracture
in his shoulder. So I mean, can they just rely
on dominant canzone to come up? Can they rely on
Luke Rayley and Dylan Moore platooning in right field? Or
is it time to maybe call one of the young
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guns up from Triple A?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
How do you handle this roster now with these injuries?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
If you're Jerry Depoto, yeah, it's a tough one. There's
not much available on the market of JD. Martinez is
still unsigned. But he's DH only at this point in
his career, and it looks like Polonco. In your list
of injuries, you didn't mention Polanco, but it looks like
he can't play defensively consistently. And now it looks like
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he can't back right handed. So, uh, you know that's
another costly He's he's the best hitter on the team
right now. You need him, so uh the the problem
with their kids in the miners. The one guy that
I think could be up here soon would be Tyler Locklear,
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who is tearing it up in Tacoma so far in
the season. I was kind of surprised they didn't bring
him up instead of can Zone. But you know, Cole
young is, I don't know if he's ready, he would
be a likely guy to bring up. And I don't
know who else, who else really there is. I think
you got to ride with what you got right now.
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First base is going to be a problem area. I
think that if if Rowdy Teles does start hitting, you
might have to You might see Locklear come up, and
I don't think I would mind that. Uh, second base,
I think it's going to be uh makeshift situation.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
They just don't have that much else to go to
right now, so that's it's a it's a tough situation
for them, for sure.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
The new Luis Castillo, who I'm calling two point oh,
I'm just calling him two point oh.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
He starts today and and then thankfully, obviously the Miners
still won the game. But it does bring into question, uh,
that that he's pitching today because the Mariners were one
and done with Emerson Handcock granted a bad outing, but
it seemed like there had been more to build on
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with him. What was your reaction to that move.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I I I'm not second second guessing, and I guess
you're first guessing.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I'm first.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I first guessed it.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
It's like your whole office in plan was predicated on
Emerson Hancock being your swing guy, and then when George
got hurt early in spring training, you groomed to be
to be your number starter, number five starter for five
weeks or four weeks, and then one bad outing, you
you cut bait on that. I just don't don't didn't
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understand it, and don't understand it. I would have given
him another start because the Luis Castillo f Castillo has
just showed that he's he's he's not the guy that's
gonna that's gonna hold down that number.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Five start starting position.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And it puts such pressure on your bullpen to have
three outings now from the from the number five starter,
where they've gone uh two thirds of an inning, three
innings and four innings, they're they're the most overworked bullpen
in baseball. I think the stats show so, uh, you know,
Hancock's fifteen days that you had that's required to beat
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out in the minors is going to be up soon.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I would think that he would be back and begin
another shot.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
But he's at least shown that he could give you
five or six pretty good innings that you know, that
one start notwithstanding, and yeah, he got lit up in
that start, but there was also some bad luck in
there that he could have gotten out of that first
inning with a couple of dribblers, a couple of bloopers.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
So I don't know why they did that.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
It set them in motion for some bad things to
happen in the next two times they had to go
to that spot.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, Larry's Stone again with us courtesy of the RAM
with us every Wednesday, Mariners came back from five to
nothing down today and they won seven to six. I'm
sure a lot of people that five nothing said they
hell would it, just went and started doing something else
and maybe even missed the comeback.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But Randy E.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Rose Arena grand Slam in the eighth movie, or Rodriguez
game tying double the ninth and then a Rose Arena
draws the game winning walk off of a guy and
a braw who would not allowed a Nerd run yet
this year, and they got to in the ninth inning.
But Larry, you mentioned Rowdy toleslre and I don't know
how much longer that experiment is going to last. He's
making one point five million. There's a reason why the
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guy was on the free agent market for six months
after he got let go by Pittsburgh. He's hitting fifty
as an Oh fifty, it's only been you know, twelve
thirteen games. But how long is the is the is
the patient's string? You think between the front office and
Rowdy Tellez. Oh, we got Larry, We had Larry let
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me read him down there. Okay, I gotta ask the
question again. I mean, it was such a great question.
Maybe somebody wants to hear it again, Larry, do we
have you?
Speaker 6 (13:33):
We do not?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right now, guys, you do not have Larry. All right,
we've lost Larry. Well, it's just perfect for today because
you know what, this is the price you pay. You
can either have a a functioning telephone, be a functioning
zoom call, or see a Mariner win.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I choose see I will.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I will gladly sacrifice you, the phone lines and the
zoom call going down for a Mariner win. But I
think it's to me that Tellez thing is absolutely a
topic that needs to be discussed. How much longer are
they gonna stick with this guy? That again, there's a
reason why nobody wanted him for six months. There's a
reason why they're paying him one point five million dollars.
And I don't think that's lost on me, by the
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way here, and I wonder if you agree the fact
that you have a starting first basement on a team
that should be in the playoff conversation, that's thirty years old,
that's making one point five million dollars if he's a
young guy, a on a on a rookie deal, you know,
not yet up for arbitration. I get it, but this
is a thirty year old veteran who's making barely over
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a million dollars for a reason, and is your starting
first basement pal.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
No, I was making a similar argument with Marquez Valdez Scanley.
You know, I think it was thirty thirty one. And
you know, look, I don't think you just make a decision.
You say, okay, I'm gonna I'm put in concrete whatever
the market has deemed this player. That's it. That's all. No,
that's fooless, But you do, you do take a note
of it, right, like, like, isn't that a little bit alarming?
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Like what as a general rule, isn't the default?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
It?
Speaker 7 (15:00):
By and large, the market is reflective of the talent,
right or in the manner you described, if you if
you're if you're out just without a club, and then
you sign you know, at or near the minimum, right, Yes,
that obviously that.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
That makes it.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Now a guy can overcome that, sure, right, But but
it does it does raise alarms for sure. And then
when you you you watch how he's producing, and there's
not really much at the plate, there's not much in
terms of range at first base. I can't imagine I
haven't done a study on the twenty nine other first baseman.
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But come on, Dave, that you gotta be you know
what what is uh? What does ersay say? Bottom quartile?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes, no, he's been terrible, and again, you know you
want to give the guy a little bit of a break.
I guess it's only been twelve games whatever. But this
is a guy again who a lot of eyebrows were
raised when they signed him to be your starting first baseman.
We thought maybe Luke Rayley would be that guy, and
now with the Roblest injury, he's gonna be platooning in
right field. Dhing he could play some first base, But
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the infield is a friggin mess, dude. I mean, there's
no doubt. Like Polanco is not an everyday defensive third baseman.
He is a liability defensively at third base. Rowdy Tlayz
is a liability offensively at first base. So you want
to put Polanko at first and bring up a guy
like Williamson to play third, sign someone to play third.
But this is the optics for me, and I don't
know if you guys agree on this or not, the
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optics of the corner positions in the infield. Excuse me
the right field position, in the third base spot. Let
me just clarify, the optics are freaking terrible because you've
gone from Taoscar Hernandez, who, by the way, has an
eight ninety one ops right now with the Dodgers and
was kicked ass a year ago in right field, to
Mitch Hanneger, who was so freaking bad you paid him
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fifteen million dollars not to play for you, and the
guy that he took his spot has now banged up
for three months.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
At third base.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You got rid of Gino Suarez, who had thirty bombs
and one hundred ribbies a year ago. It is on
pace for sixty eight home runs right now in Arizona.
You let him go, you didn't want to pay him.
Now you got a guy in Polanco who can't even
get the damn ball across the infield, I mean the
right field spot. The optics of what they had at
third base and what they have now at third and
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what they had it right and what they have now
at right or a freaking joke. They look terrible with
those decisions they've made, and most of them were to
save their own ass money. And it pisses me off
that we're sitting here talking.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
About this and the best defender you had in the infield, Bliss,
as you said, Okay, we got a torn bicep there.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
You know, JP's got a good glove. What's his range?
Speaker 7 (17:45):
He doesn't have Bliss's range, you know, you know, yeah, yeah,
there's a lot of problems. And then moreover, if there
was I don't there's a lot of ball busting in
the NFL. I assume there's a lot of ball busting
in baseball, least as much because they're around each other.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Right.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
If there was a tub for the sub Mendoza guys,
oh god, okay, you got to go into the sub
Mondoza tub like it's overflowing. The water's overflowing, and you know,
you know, there's no room.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
So so, uh, yeah, it is that.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Now I do feel bad that, you know, probably some
people just listening and say, wait a minute, aren't we
happy about the win we've been Yeah, and it is
a hell of a win.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I just thought probable one that yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Yeah, So so that we kind of migrated to uh uh.
We took the helicopter from you know, one hundred feet
which was today, and and we kind of went up
to about fifteen twenty thousand feet to just kind of
take a look.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
So we've evolved in the discussion.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
But no, David, you're exactly right, you know, and and
those spots, Uh, it doesn't seem like there's any cavalry
coming right, Like each of you ain't walking through the door.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
No, no, right, Well, the Ben Williamson thing for me,
he hit four seventy and Cactus League. I know you
can't just base it on that, but I think it
might be time to get the kid a shot to
play third base.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And we're gonna be at.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Cheney Stadium on Friday, and he's probably gonna be there,
so looking forward to seeing him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
All right, we're gonna break you.
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Mike Florio joining us in the six pm hour. We're
re obviously reacting to the Mariner win down five to nothing,
they come back and win seven to six. Let's table
that though for a second, Hue, because our favorite NBA reporter,
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whose father is one of our favorite x NBA owners,
Jordan Schultz. And I'm being sarcastic, by the way. I
want to vomit whatever I say that name. He's sick
that I have to give this guy credit. But it's
what we do in this business, is reporting that Jalen
Milrow of Alabama is going to visit the Seahawks after
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meeting with the Browns earlier this week. Now, I will
just say this to you, I have not studied him
the way you have. I watched a little bit more
Alabama football this year than normal because of Kaylen Debora.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'll be totally honest with you.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And every time I watch Jalen Milroe play, I said,
this guy can't throw like what happened to him. His
arm is like a feticini noodle. It's terrible. I'm seeing
a miss throws down the field. I'm seeing a miss
intermediate passes, short passes in front, behind, in the dirt,
missing guys by fifteen feet. I thought he was awful
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as a passer for Alabama. So Jalen Milroe visiting the Seahawks,
does that do anything for you?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Men?
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Well, he's an incredible athlete, we know that, right, Like
I mean, a big, thick guy that really has has
some juice. But really the question is he more Anthony
Richardson or is he more you know, Lamar Jackson or
Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Right?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
And I agree with you, David.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
I have a general position with quarterbacks in accuracy. I
think a lot of people when they evaluate accuracy, they're
looking for mechanical defects. You know, where's the kinetic chain
in terms of okay, is his balance off? Is his
elbow in the wrong spot? You know those type of things.
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For me, that is rare.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I do not.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
I think that more often than not, by the time
you get to the highest level, right, inaccurate quarterbacks, in
my opinion, it's not that they can't direct the football
to go sufficiently to the spot. Let me explain what
I mean. A picture is working only in a static target. Right,
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the mid is right there, and he's got to hit that.
He's got to be precise. But it's a static target.
Quarterbacks are dealing in almost all cases with dynamic targets.
They're moving. So it's not so much can you can
you hit the target? What that your brain wants to
hit is your brain accurately adequately calculating the direction? You know,
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think of an aviation terms. Uh, the term is vectoring.
You're you're trying to intersect where if you're shooting skeet
shooting versus rifle shooting. And so I think that the
breakdown for accuracy is more often than not, it has
to do with, as I said, how your your mind.
The right brain is your creative side. It sees the
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imagery and you're leading a receiver. Milroe is one of
those one out of tens or one out of twenties
that actually has mechanical defects as well. I think I
think that he bad. That he looks disjointed. There's not
a natural flow to hit. How he throws. He's not
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a natural thrower, you know. In another era he wouldn't
have been a quarterback. Sure, and I don't say that
with any pride. That's a that's a black mark on
on how people have evaluated for many decades. So they
would have just said, dude, you're you're you're not a quarterback, right.
So it's good that he's gotten the opportunities in a
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very impactful college quarterback. That's not what we're concerned about.
What we're concerned about is he more Anthony Richardson or
is he more Lamar Jackson or Jalen.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Hurts, Right?
Speaker 7 (24:31):
And well, yeah, I mean I just know there's just
some big time fundamental accuracy issues with this guy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, if you're telling me he's got mechanical problems, I
mean some of that can be coached up right at
the NFL level, There's no question about that. And he
is an athlete that is elite as a runner. I
mean he ran for one hundred and forty yards against Auburn,
one hundred and eighty five against LSU, one hundred and
seventeen against Georgia in that game where they had remember
Alabama had.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That huge lead for Georgia came.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Back and then Alabama eventually found a way to in
the game, but Alabama fans were pissed off.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I remember talking to my guy Ryan Fowler down there.
They couldn't believe what happened in that game. They thought
they were gonna kick Georgia's ass, and then Georgia came
back and made it a game. And then the next
week they lost a Vanderbilt and he was just kind
of mediocre in that game. So I don't know, man,
I mean, people are talking about it first or a
second round draft.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Pick for Milroe to me for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
If you're drafting him in the first or second round,
you're drafting him to be the replacement to Sam Darnold.
And I just don't see any world right now where
Jalen Milroe can be a replacement for anybody and be
a regular, every day, every down quarterback in the NFL.
There's been some guys that I've seen that could not
throw in college and then made a move. Tyler Huntley
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is one of them. But Tyler Huntley is not a
starting quarterback in the NFL either. I know we made
the Pro Bowl, but the Pro Bowl's a joke. He
made the Pro Bowl by playing in four games two
years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Man forget about it. I just I'm not gonna get
you going to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I just think to me, if you're thinking about Milrowe
in the first round, man, that would be And I'll
say it right now, if the Seahawks make that move
at eighteen, they draft Jalon Milroe in the first round,
I'm gonna be stunned and disgusted with a move like that.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
I'm gonna assuage your concern. Now, I could be wrong,
but there's if I would put in a probability that
they would draft him in the first round. It is
so scant now they may be looking at him as
high as second round, which I think would be a reach.
You know, he feels more like a great round to me,
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but he's probably you know, yeah, I'm not gonna bet
that he won't go in the second round, but first
round I will be floored. I'll be stunned if any
team let alone Seattle at eighteen.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Yeah, well, you know we've seen Snyder trade back to
get offensive lineman late in the first round. I don't
even think Milroe is worth a late first round now.
A beautiful athlete, but there's just too much missing in
terms of his quarterbacking.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, I would, I would. I would say this one.
You said he's not worth a late first rounder. When
you said he's not worth a late I thought the
next words out of your mouth, we're gonna be sucking rounder.
To be totally honest with you, I'm not even sure
if i'd take him late in the second round to
do what to do?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
What?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Though he honestly discard you?
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I thought you were you were you were, you were
raised the specter of se No I did, I did,
and I did.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I'm trying to. I would go even further. I wouldn't
even take him in the second round. I mean, Hugh,
I'm not even sure if i'd take him in the
third round. Like, what are you drafting him for? To
be Taysom Hill? Is that what you're drafting him for?
To be a short down yardage quarterback?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
You know, to be a running back for you? You
want the guy to play tight end. He's only six
foot two, I believe, if I have my numbers correct,
he was a big boy. But my god, dude, I
just the guy can't freaking throw and everything you just said,
mechanical problems, fundamental problems with his arm, I'm I'm totally.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
With you man, this no no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Now, John Wooden had his pyramid, right, you've heard that, right,
and and so there's always that the most vital aspect
at the pyramid. If I were to create a quarterbacking pyramid,
there'd be a lot of things in there, just like
there's a lot of things on the John Wooden leadership pyramid,
you know, including arm strength, mobility and all. But at
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the very top, the keystone the top would be the
following sentence, throw it to the right guy at the
right time.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Actually, accuracy that that is the.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Most vital thing. You can not have a lot of
the other things in the pyramid. But if you don't
have that, you can't play, cannot play you in the
national pub So pro everything about decision making. Processing. As
a fan might say, well, what does that mean? Well,
for me studying the position over fifty years, processing decision making,
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throw it to the right guy at the right time. Now,
there's a hell of a lot to that. There's there's
defensive recognition, there's handling, the protection. Like I'm not saying
that there's not a lot to it, but in the end,
that's what it is. I've got the football, and I've
got to do something with the football, and there's only
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seven things I can do. Okay, there's only seven things
that I can do with the football. On a pass play,
I can throw it to my first, second, third, fourth,
or fifth option in the progression, and rarely do you
get your fifth. Rarely you get to your fourth. I
can throw it out of bounds because nothing there, or
I can run. There are seven things you can do
as a quarterback with the football, and deciding what to
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do with it when is really the essence of it.
And we haven't seen that from Milroe in any kind
of consistent sense.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, we're starting to get locked into cam Warden number
one to Tennessee if you're the Browns, or you're locked
into Travis Hunter. We'll come back and talk about him
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
All right, kids, we're back here at Jimmie's on first
Mariners got to win today. They're down five to nothing
and they come back and they win seven to six.
How many people Hugh and Jackson you think are driving
around right now flipped off the game when it was
five nothing, said the hell with it, turned the radio
station back on right now, picking the kids up from
whatever after school activities.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
They were doing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Do kids still do that, by the way, do they
have like after school specials and movies and all that
stuff whatever, basically like babysitters? You know, we used to
have that stuff back in the day so my parents
could work until five o'clock. But how many people had
no idea the Mariners came back and won the game today?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
A lobby A few of them, don't you think.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Hugh?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Oh, I thought you, yeah, I think that hurt to Hugh. Well,
I thought Jackson was responding. I thought you just you
have any nice conversation with Jackson.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Talk you got something to do.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
All I can ever fit in is one word. There's
just for you. Well, I can get in more than
one word. We're all aware of that. I had to
say it before you did.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
God.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Well, uh well, yeah, I mean these kind of things
are gonna happen, and it's you know, they're gonna happen
for you, they're gonna happen against you. It's just, uh,
you know, it's like Roulette. You spin a Roulett wheel enough, Uh,
you know a ball is gonna land on on the
green zero or the green double zero, right, and and
and so uh you know it did today and it
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and obviously fortunately for for the Mariners in in a
good way.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
But yeah, I'm I'm with you. I'd like to know
the win.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Probability, right, But that grand slam, I'm telling you, For
those who haven't seen that swing, I mean it looked
like a long drive contest was a giant kick step
with his left foot and then the fall through.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
I mean it's like that.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
You know how how baseball players before they they come
up and they kind of do a downward action when
they're doing their practice swing, you know, like the balls
going down like they're going to chop down the ball.
You know, remember that phenomenon, and you know it's just
kind of you know, they're they're I guess they're trying
to muscle memory, you know, the swing plane they want
to be in, so they don't have too much of
an uppercut man. The uppercuted that all of that went
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out the window, all of it like it looked like
they're that swing. If it doesn't connect's a really monster,
ugly swing because it was just so clear that he
wanted to break the baseball in half.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So how about this top of the eighth sackfly by
Alvarez makes it five nothing Astros win probability for the
Astros ninety eight point four percent at that exact second
right there. I'm counting ps on this win probability crap.
By the way, these guys always get this stuff. Anyway,
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(33:04):
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we got a few minutes here. I want to get
your thoughts on the Browns and the number two hal
because it looks like cam Ward is going to be
the pick at number one to Tennessee. If you're the Browns,
can you afford to pass on a talent like Travis Hunterman?
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Yeah, if you want to take Abdul Carter and put
him on the upside side of Miles Garrett. If I'm
a Browns fan, I wouldn't be opposed to that whatsoever.
But Travis Hunter been looking at Tippy. He's a very
very interesting player, right. Obviously in this you just start
with the fact that you know he played, you know,
eleven hundred snaps right and and on both sides of
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the ball. You know, when you I'm looking at him
and study him, evaluate him as a corner. And I'm saying, okay,
suspend my knowledge that he's a receiver. I'm only evaluating
him as a corner, right, And what is he deserving of?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (34:00):
You know what pick? Is he deserving?
Speaker 7 (34:02):
It?
Speaker 6 (34:02):
The second pick?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Because the draft really does you touch on it, Dave,
The draft starts with the Browns because it I think
everybody at this point is gonna be stunned if Cam
a Ward is not a Tennessee Titan. But I would
just say, look, he's an athlete playing corner. And he
is a ridiculous athlete. I mean, his movement skills, his
short area, he plays with length when he needs to.
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He is he is really an exquisite athlete. But his
technique is so random and so inconsistent and so uh,
I mean his his technique is as poor as you're
likely to see for a guy considered to be a
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top five pow uh. And he was the blitanikof Award
winner for the best receiver, and he was the Beck
the bed Nerick for the best defensive player.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Check me on the Thorpe, which is the the the.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
dB.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
But but even if he didn't get the Thorpe Award,
he got the bed and Rack Award, which is a
bigger award because it's all defensive players. So and and
of course the Heisman. And I I thought going into
the Heisman analysis that I'd vote for Dylan Gabriel and
then after I studied Travis Hunter on both sides of
the ball, I just said, no, no, no, this guy Hunter. Yeah, yeah,
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you know, he's an All American on both sides of
the ball. And and uh so I've voted for Travis Hunter.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
But I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
The kid from Texas won the Thorpe Award by the way.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Thorpe, but he won, he wins the bed and Eric.
But his ball skills are elite.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
He can go get the ball and you would expect
that because he's a receiver, right, but he you know,
he had an interception against Colorado State that he just
let you know is rare. You just don't see college
players doing that. He had a touchdown catch against North
Dakota State where he reached back and I don't I
don't know how he ends up catching that ball. So
it's ball skills are crazy. But the technique, there's times
(36:04):
where he needs to be on the inside. He's on
the outside. His depth is wrong. He just doesn't seem
to be to need to be in a particular phase
with the guy. He just relies on his athleticism and
it often wins. I think he's better in off coverage
because he's got good instincts. He can cover ground. He's
like a defensive player in basketball that rotates off the
(36:27):
ball and gets block shots off of his man. He
just has a sense of where the ball is going.
So he's great in that regard. I think he's got
a little chitt Okay final thought, he's uninterested in getting dirty,
like he's a he is a grabber. He doesn't want
to hit. That is a really disappointing part of it.
So I think this. I think that that the skill set,
(36:50):
the mouldible the clay. If the Browns draft him, and
that wouldn't be too high, they gotta have a young
coach who knows how to deal with this guy because
because his technique needs it has a lot uh needs
a lot of work.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
But the skill set, oh boy.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, the idea of Abdull Carter playing alongside our opposite
Miles Garrett, that that is, and Garrett's been re signed
to a multi year deal is not going anywhere. Could
be that's a hell of a spot for Abdul Carter
to get off to a great career. Man that is,
that's juicy to think about those guys playing, all right,
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