April 21, 2025 • 29 mins
In the second hour, Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the potential for Seattle to trade up or down in the NFL Draft, Alabama’s Tyler Booker, Ohio State’s Emeka Egbuka, quarterbacks moving in college football, and Shedeur Sanders.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I can just hear Hugh Millan just grinding his teeth
by the way, waiting off the ear. Can these idiots
please stop talking about restaurants and get my ass on
the air. It's draft week, for God's sakes, for you
two jokers.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Shut the hell up, nobody will man, you want to
grind my gears, but not on this account.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, I get it, I get it. Well, it's Draft week, man,
here we are. We got the mock on Wednesday. We're
gonna see you tomorrow right over at you dub spring practice.
You're gonna swing by and say hi and check out
Demon Williams and Company mock on Wednesday from the Queen
Ann Beer Hall and then Thursday at the vMac getting
going with the first round, second third.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Round on Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But there's all these stories that are coming out about well,
you know, the Seahawks are looking to trade back, and
this team's looking to trade back, and I think a
lot of teams, Hugh are looking to trade back. I
just wonder if there's gonna be enough dance partners that
want to move back up into the first round to
do that, because all we've heard from people this year
is that there's not a lot of first round grades
getting tossed out there by some people.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
In watching the tape, there's a lot of guys, you know,
this is the twenty seventh I think our promo has
got it wrong. These our twenty seventh draft.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And and you know, I'll just take an example Will Campbell,
Uh the left tackle for LSU.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
He's a really nice player, you know, play three year starter.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But you watch him on tape and I'm just thinking
of all the guys that are top five projected, top
five picks, and this is the presumptive guy. I think
more Marx have him going Ford in New England. And
and he just gives up a lot of space. There's
a lack of toughness when he when he when he's
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pulling sometimes, but I think more than anything, he wins
blocks there. There's he's got a lot of Charles crossing him,
which is good. Look, I get I get that he's
going to be a first rounder and and and he's
got a chance to be a solid pro. But man,
he gives a lot of ground. And he's in the
lap of Garrett gus ness Meyer, the LSU quarterback. So
I just you know, that there's many examples like that
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where I go, Wow, that doesn't seem like a top four, seven, eight,
twelve pick in most years. So I do think it's then.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, Hugh, let's flip the script.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Then if it's more difficult to trade down, I would
assume it's easier to trade up. So if the Seahawks
were to trade up, is there a guy in that
twelve to fifteen range that you don't think you could
get at eighteen that you think that they could pull
the trigger on and should pull the trigger on.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Tyler Warren would come to mind for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And and I think, you know, in really looking at
you know, this is a process where you go through
multiple stages. You watch players and you kind of think of, Okay, well,
who's liable to be there, you know, and and who's
liable to be like you could say, I really feel
good that this guy's gonna be a top level Pro
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Bowl ish type of player, And you know, one of them,
I think there's there's really only one off the ball
linebacker Giod Campbell from Alabama. And you know, I just wonder, Okay,
how how enamored is Mike McDonald with Tyrees Knight. Now
we don't think of of off ball linebacker as being
a a primary position in need.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But he got a defensive head coach. You know, he's had.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Really stellar linebackers with I'm Patrick Queen playing that will linebacker?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Would that be intriguing to him?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, if if you want to, if you want
to consider that the NFL is an eleven personnel league,
sixty one percent, meaning three receivers, you're gonna play Nickel
most of the time. That means Josh Job is a
starting corner. Is there a corner that would slide to
eighteen that would would that would compel you to move up?
I mean, we know we know the top corners, Travis Hunter,
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he's not going to be there. But Uh, to answer
Dick's question, you know, if Will Johnson or John A.
Barron slides little and you know, would you would you
move up a couple of spots there? I think there's
I think most positions on the the Seahawks team wider.
I'll just say on offense, obviously, the interior of the
offensive line that's the most important. Guard gotta get guards
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and I'm saying plural, but I think tight end, wide receiver,
and then uh, and then on the on the defensive
side of the ball, you know, an edge rusher, yes,
maybe an off ball linebacker as I described a corner
and then uh, you know, Josh Hamilton is the straw
that stirs the drink for the Baltimore Ravens. The you know,
six foot four freak is a safety out of Notre Dame,
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first round draft pick, very instinctive player, long enough to
cover tight ends on third.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And medium man and man downs. You know, is there anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That that they feel like, okay, you know, can Nick
I'm and worry from South Carolina?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Can he be that guy?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So? I guess the more I watch tape, the more
I talk myself into Seattle, could do you know, multiple things?
And it would make sense on some level.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What if Tyler Booker, if he's there at eighteen and
they take him. I'm not saying that you're ever going
to have the same reaction you had when they drafted
DK Metcalf and you had relations.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
With the floor that would ever happen again. That'll never
happen again.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
But if Tyler Booker is there at eighteen, I mean,
generally regarded as what the best interior lineman in the draft,
what would your reaction be to that.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
If he ended up a Seahawk, I think I'd feel good,
you know, it would be certainly draft value ish.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It would feel like a good pick in that regard.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I went to the top of the food chain at
Alabama to have a long discussion about a couple of
Alabama prospects, you know, Jaln Milroe and and Booker came up,
and I get glowing reports about you know who this
guy is, the makeup and what have you. But you know,
when I watched the tape, I see a guy that
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if football was only a phone booth sport, I would
love him. But I I there's just there's a real
lack of twitching.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, his feet.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You don't think of offensive line win is an offensive
lineman really twitchy. Well, they're twitchy on a relative scale, right,
I mean, some some have quicker feet than others. And
I'm I'm a little bit concerned about the athleticism there.
It just feels like his cleats are a little too heavy.
When I watch, you know, it's like they're gonna dump
him in lake meat, you know, and that what they
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do with guys in Vegas, you know, like you get
behind on your on your gambling debt and they put it,
fill you a concrete shoes and dump you in lake meat.
I feel like he's wearing those kind of boots too
much when I watch him, you know, for me at eighteen,
But I'm gonna watch more between now and you know
and Thursday. It's a never any process. I just feel like,
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you know, and when I watch times where I say, okay,
the outside zone, we want to reach and pivot our
hips and what have you, and I've seen a lot
of misses on those times the blocks. So, uh, I
guess I'm probably swayed by the masses about how highly
he's thought of, But the tape for me doesn't really
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show it. I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be
slip sliding on mass potatoes, uh at the MAC like
I was with DK Metcalf, And that's a that's a dick.
I'll have to tell you that story someday.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That was Oh no, I know I know the story.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
There was potatoes down there, So yeah, you made the.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Best of made the best of a bad situation. That's
why you were on the floor looking for potatoes. No,
you slipped the potatoes. That's that's your Stori's the story, dude.
You okay, you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, No, In all the in all.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The jubilation, I had a plate full of mass potatoes.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I didn't expect to be moving up.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And then with all the pounding and jumping around, now
the mass potatoes fall on the floor. There's carpet and
the mass potatoes, and now I'm slipping on the mass
potatoes on the carpet and I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Thinking, oh my god, I just stained the carpet.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Now there was no gravy, thankfully, but I was just
it was just a very surreal moment, like the Seahawks
just drafted DK Metcalf and I'm I'm swimming on the
floor in mass potatoes. It was it was the best
of times, in the worst of times.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I guess in that instant, I've got no doubt that
Tyler Booker or Jaln Milroe are great guys.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
But what's Kaitlyn gonna tell you? Is he really gonna
say you.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Know you I didn't say I talked to Karl.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You said you went to the top of the food chain.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Let's talk about Miller. What's your question about Alvil.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I'm just gonna say it is any coach or top
of the food chain at a Division one school gonna
ever tell somebody, Yeah, these are bad guys, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I mean there we had lots of problems with them
draft drafting. Corey still pissed off at Jim Lambory.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I would say, I'm gonna pull it off, pull back.
I would say, yes. The answer is, oftentimes if you
talk to somebody off off the record, yes, they they
absolutely disclose. Uh, yes, fair, yeah, yeah, no, I think
you can get can't. Now, Sometimes it's a little bit
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of a beat around the bush that people can be reluctant.
I'm just saying in a generic sense, people can be
reluctant to it's kind of like damning with faint praise
or just kind of you know, it's like like you're right,
Nobody comes out and said, this guy's a turret in
the bottom of the swimming pool, you know, vacate all,
take the kids out of the pool.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You don't hear that kind of five alarms.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But but you definitely can glean the reality by response.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Absolutely you can't.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Hey, Hugh milling with us a little more at fourth
Hugh and he, I know we've talked a lot about
Golden from Texas, so we talked a lot about Ted
McMillan from Arizona. It looks like a mechag Buca is
starting to kind of fly up the draft boards a
little bit. And just like the last maybe week or so,
I don't know, eighteen seems maybe a little bit too
high for a Mecca.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Maybe not with the Seahawks are kind of looking for.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But uh, you know him from his days in high school.
You watched him at Ohio State. Uh, what's your take
when you watch this guy on film?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Man?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, I've known a Mecca a long time.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He he was on my son's uh seven on seventeen,
so my son was thrown to him. I've been you know,
in Vegas, Atlanta, Orange County, you know, just seeing how
he interacts. And maybe Dick's gonna kind of roll his
eyes based on on the last comment he made. But
I can just say a Mecca is an unbelievable kidd.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I've seen the Okay, now I've heard that too as well, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I will say this, there's some people that I ran
across through the you know, the seven on seven circuit
is like a cottage deal, right, and there's some some
kids that I wouldn't say that I probably should won't
say names, but some initials are Savelle, Smalls and Scott.
But you know, but I shouldn't, you know so, But
that's just initialis right. I reckon Buca is a nominal kid,
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and now he is if you want to know his attributes,
this guy is a pro. Now I don't I wouldn't
often quote a position coach, but if you're a college
football fan, Seriously, if you're a college football fan, you
know Brian Hartline or you at least know if you
don't know the name, I know that the most esteemed
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wide receiver coach in college football is Brian Hartline. He
said that a Mecca's football IQ and toughness are already
on a pro level.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know what he is.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
He's like a mirror of Jackson Smith and Jago. Low
cut guy, like all the attributes, like incredible feel, high IQ.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Work the middle of the field if there's a knock.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Maybe not elite speed down field or strength, but very
very savvy working the middle of the field. And so
I got a lot more to say on him. I
got a lot of notes, but just consider this all
the players who played at Ohio State thing Marvin Harrison,
Garrett Wilson, Chris Olove, Jackson Smith, and Jigma. We got
Jeremiah Smith coming up right a Mecca Abuka broke the
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Ohio State record for catches in a career.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Like this is a dude, now, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, how would you rank the first round receivers and
then would you rank them differently for the for the
Seahawks based upon the fit that they need.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
They need it?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, okay, well I think Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter is
the best, and I've I've switched on him. I think
that a month ago I thought that he narrowly should
go defense and then play offenses, you know, maybe on
third down. I think it's the other way around. I
think he should play offense for three downs and play
defense on.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Third make more money that way.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, yeah, I mean there's there's uh, there's only one
corner right now making over twenty five million average a year.
There are eleven wide receivers making over twenty five million.
So so that point, I think that the health standpoint
and just his playmaking ability, I mean, you know, you
know you your all of our opinions should be subject
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for change if we acquire more evidence. And I've just
watched a lot more tape and I I just have
kind of you know, I think it was narrow before,
it's narrow now. I haven't switched that much, but I've
gone over the fifty percent threshold. I think Travis Hunt, okay,
he's not gonna be available. Tech McMillan and Matthew Golden
there they both believe it or not. You think Matthew
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Golden's more of an inside guy that the Texas Wide receiver,
but he played seventy six percent of his snaps outside,
so Seattle needs an outside receiver. I think I think
Matthew Golden would would would qualify in that. But I
think I think Teed McMillan still has Look if he fails,
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I know, we got some promos on the station going around.
I don't think that he is in the mold of
Nikhil Harry. I think Nikhil Harry at the summary of him,
why didn't k kill Harry? Uh fail? He was in
the style of DK metcalf A, J. Brown, Uh, you know,
Terrell Owens, you know, just kind of a yoked up dude.
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I think if Teed McMillan fails, it's not stylistically, it's
not uh, Nikhil Harry. I think stylistically it's Drake London,
maybe Mike Evans, Like there's there that there is much
more fluidity in Tet McMillan's body in terms of how
hiss just like he can get, he can be gumby
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and and that shows in how he he transitions from
uh from you know passing too a runner. It shows
in how he he runs his routes and and uh,
you know at six four. I think that if he
if if he fails in five years or you know,
whatever the time period it is to assess him, we'll.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Say, well, he was a.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
A Drake London style receiver who, by the way, is
kicking butt h at Atlanta PFF Hadham the number four
rated receiver in all of football. So if he fails
McMillan I'm talking about it will say, well, we thought
he'd be Drake London.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
He's just a lousy version of Drake London. That's why
he'll fail.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't think we'll say he's a lousy version of
Nikhil Harry at least that's that's my prognosis.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
A couple of Seahawk related questions, both from Schneider's press
conference today Hugh and Hugh Millon with Us where he
was asked about picking up Charles Cross's fifth year option,
which I think they have to do by the first
of May, and he was kind of noncommittal on that
that might be a there might be like a book
keeping version or book bookkeeping reason. Excuse me why they're
not saying yes or no on Charles Cross. Would you
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have any problem picking up the fifth year option? And
then he was also asked about the reports that they're
willing to trade Sam Howe. Should they be willing to
part with Sam Howe now that Drew Locke has re arrived.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Absolutely, Cat, I'll be shocked if you get anything for him.
Remember now, I did the exercise on the Fitzgerald Spielberger chart.
There was a difference of two hundred and sixteen points.
That equates to the twenty seventh pick of the seventh round.
Let me say that again, Seattle. Stop, people stopped. There's
a PSA. Stop saying Seattle gave up a third round. Yes,
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they gave up a third round, but they got a
fourth round or back. If that's all you want to
focus on knock yourself out. I think that the fair
way to do it, or at least a fair way
to do it, is.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
To to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It's it's the all of the draft value was the
equivalent of the twenty seventh pick of the seventh round.
So I don't think they're going to get much for him.
As for Charles Cross, I think they're kind of backed
into a situation when they have to. I think he's
a solid players that you know, you could even say
he's a good player. What I don't like about him
is he wins too often in the lap of the quarterback.
And that's why I was making the comparison with Will Campbell. Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
You know, for me, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That that possibly a guy. If you don't, if you're
literally trying thinking you might not re sign Charles Cross,
then I think Kelvin Banks from Texas, the left tackle
who some people think. I think Kelvin Banks is a
better left tackle prospect than Will Campbell. Uh, just just
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by my tape, and you know, I just think that
he's a better athlete, and I think he wins you
know where he should be winning, which is close to
the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
But but he has.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You know, some people think he's a little bit too
short for tackle, maybe that he's a guard. But I
mean he was six five and an eighth, so that
that's plenty tall enough for me to be a tackle,
almost too tall for a guard.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So I think there's some versatility there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But but that surprises me that Charles Cross isn't isn't
gonna be signed. Not because I think highly that highly
of Charles Cross. It's just they already have enough knees
on the offensive line. I would think i'd want to
address the inside.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I hate to do this to you, but you want
to hang on one more segment? We got a ton
of stuff we haven't even gotten to yet. Yeah, cool that,
I mean, it's all good. So if we ask you
live on the air to stick around them say that,
you'll say yes because everybody's listening.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And if you say no, they'll say, guy, what a
jerk that guy is? He said no? So I'm sorry
to ask about here.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah here?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Why do you hang on one more segment? We've got
a ton of stuff to get to. I want to
kind of get outside the Seahawks as well. A little
bit u Mena Kimes also joins at five, but more
Hugh next on ninety three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 1 (18:41):
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Casino Sports Book. By the way, speaking of Joey Aguilar
going to a Tennessee the UCLA quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, you know who is also a UCLA to Americas,
Davis oh Man. He ran for the Hills when Demat
got here, didn't he.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, Hugh Millen's with us, and Hugh you want to
chime on this just for a second. So, Uh, the
kid Nico, I've given up on trying to pronounce his name.
By the way, you know who I'm talking about, Uh,
transfers in from Tennessee to u c l A. Joey
Aguilar was a transfer from app State to u c
l A. He never plays it down and then bounces
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when Nico shows up. So U c l A and Tennessee, Hugh,
basically just swapping.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I think I'd rather be the quarterback of Tennessee
than UCLA, of course.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I mean I think this Nico. I mean, in a sense,
it's on a human level.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's it's I want to say tragic, because there's more,
uh more tragic things that can happen to a young man.
But I think it's it's really saddening to think of
this kid. Kid, He's gonna regret this his whole life.
But you know what, I don't. I don't feel sorry
for him. You know, he's old enough to make these
decisions right, and uh, you know, hopefully it'll be a
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warning to a lot of other people. Are we gonna
have another year Hugh where the Seahawks draft no quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Probably? Yeah, probably uh two and fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I just don't think that they're going to be compelled.
I think that they're going to feel like, let's just
see how this plays out with Sam Darnold. Let's take
draft capital and try and make the best team we can.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I mean, we've seen that that m for fifteen years now.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So I'm not there's nobody that I'm looking at saying, hey,
I really want to get this guy at a certain level,
right you know, I think there's one quarterback that's really
worthy of attention, and he's going to go number one
to Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, speaking of that of quarterbacks, I'm curious to know
because this is kind of silly season right now in
the NFL. We just got done talking last second about
how Mecca Buka is kind of flying up the draft board.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
We'll see if that actually plays out.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I don't know what teams think of Shard were Sanders, honestly,
because we're sitting here. I'm thinking about the Seahawks number eighteen.
Pittsburgh's at number twenty one. I told this just to
Dick off the air. I refuse to believe that the
Steelers are gonna trade for DK Metcalf, pay him a
zillion dollars and then let Mason Rudolph for Skyler Thompson
throw him the football in his first year as a
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Pittsburgh Steelers. So my dream scenario is at the Seahawks
are there, should doers there at eighteen, and they milk
Pittsburgh for maybe a third round pick or whatever to
move up and grab should do at number eighteen. So
what does the NFL even think of this guy because
I got no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, I think if Pittsburgh really feels like they need him,
and of course there's Aaron Rodgers in the equation, and
maybe Mike Tomlin has a gut feel for which way
Rodgers is gonna go. But I think if they're really
feel like they want sa Door Sanders, maybe they feel
like they got to move up higher than maybe eighteen
with Seattle. But you mentioned a silly season. You know,
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I'll tell you a story. Now I've got I gotta
be a little bit cryptic, but the message will still
come through. So I have a friend on a staff
of one of the top three teams, and I gotta
be cryptic because I got to protect all right. And
and they had a very very strenuous in person with
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with the top quarterbacks, and that the the guy that
you probably think is QB one. The manner in which
they threw a ton at these guys and then they
had to recite stuff in an audience that should be
kind of intimidating. The guy who you think is QB
one absolutely aced it, absolutely smoked it. The guy who
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you think is probably QB two, just absolute Pratfaul prep
Fall couldn't almost couldn't get anything out of his mouth.
The difference between QB two and QB one was like
the size of the Grand Canyon in terms of QB
two being way behind QB one in the assessment of
one of these three teams. So then literally I hear
this from my friend and then I'm watching ESPN and
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one of these guys, you know, like like he's in
it's an insider, he said, he sits there and he
says he cites that team, how much they love they
the mental capacities and the and and the the fast
processing of this QB two, And I'm just going, oh
my god, like like there's only way one way that
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can be uh true is if there's all kinds of rampant, overt,
purposeful line right to just there's this is Red Herring season, right, yeah,
throw the dog off off the trail, and so yeah,
I just I this. It didn't take that anecdote, that
experience for me to realize that, because through the years
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I've I've known it, but it just it just hammered home.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I was like, less than twenty four hours later, I
was just.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Hearing how this team was raving about the capacities of
QB two. It's just a joke, a joke that that
we we sit here and we listen to these experts
when there is ample reason for the teams to.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Lie and mislead.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's their job totally here.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
We had Darryl ryder on from Cleveland earlier today and
and he's kind of in lockstep with you. He loves
Travis Hunter, thinks Cleveland's gonna go with Travis Hunter. But
what is the gap between Hunter and Abdul Carter? I mean,
is Abdul Carter an elite pass rusher in your mind?
Or is he just, you know, kind of typically what
what you see from a top five guy in the draft.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I could make an argument that abduall Carter is is
the better choice ever over Travis Hunter. I think there's
a I think that I think that you got a
guy in Abdul Carter who wasn't off the ball linebacker,
who you know, is just new to the position on
the line, who has a freaky athletic trait his toolbox,
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and yet he's he's already got some polish with a
number of moves that just seemed to be innate punch,
how he uses his hands a deadly spin move. I
think that Uh, No, I I I'm gonna be shocked
if Abdua Carter is not a a real impactful players player.
I think there's every bit to uh to believe that
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that he's at the level at about I'm gonna say,
at about the level of Micah.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Parson's coming out.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, I mean he's got that kind of juice and
and so and then, look, I love tras Travis Hunter.
The more I watch him on tape. As I said, now,
I think he should be a receiver. You know, I
don't think he's the best corner I've seen in the
last five years, nor do I think he's the best
receiver I've seen the last five years. But for this
particular year twenty twenty five, he happens to be, in
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my opinion, the best corner and the best receiver, which
is just a freaky thing to say to me, just
just the fact that anybody could say that or.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Under that or believe that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I think he's He's Travis Hunter is is not
without lack of like, there's some polish issues he needs
as a cover guy, and and so and then you're
of course you're concerned every races you're getting two for one. Well,
if he gets hurt at one hundred and a lot
of people think he's sub one hundred and eighty. If
he gets hurt because he's playing all the time, you're
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getting zero for the price of one. So like like
these are the type of things if I had to
argue in a debate, take Abdul Carter over Travis Hunter.
I think that there are sound arguments to be made,
and as I think that there are sound arguments to
be made for Hunter.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
You know, it's just kind of where do you need?
What do you need? And and what's your wrist?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Torrents, Hey cute, real quick, got about ninety seconds left
before you go. Did you enjoy Shore Sanders number retirement
ceremony over the weekend?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I'm sure he watched it. Yeah, I was on ESPN two.
You got that, did you?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I didn't see it? Were a second of it. I'll
jump on YouTube to just see the absurd theatrics. But
I would just say this, Dick Can I talked on Friday.
I could make I'm being dead ass serious when I
say this. I don't believe that Dion Sanders is the
most or the jersey number two. There's a guy named
Deon Figures.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And now.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What I say, I'm sorry, sorry, it's coming from Dion, right,
I don't think sad Sanders is the most worthy number two.
If I was on a panel for Colorado, like some
Hall of Fame panel or or hell Jersey retirement, and
and and and you had only one guy to choose from,
Deon Figures has everything that Shador has and more. Deon
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Figures was a unanimous All American ser.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Sorry about that live radio, by the way, you know
that right, It's.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's Draft weeks. Shadre Sanders.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
He won he.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Won one UH award for the Best Position uh, the
Johnny Unitas Award, he excuse me, the Golden Arm Award.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
But he didn't win the Maxwell Award, Dion.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And with that, Hugh Mellon has been yanked off the air.
That timing is unbelievable. Man, drafts an S bomb and
that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Somebody pulled the plug here. Do we have you back there?
By the way, I lost here for a second.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Now, I'm all right, yeah, that's Draft week.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
No, I get it. He's kind of fired up about this,
that's fine, I just fired.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Us Deon Figures.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
His resume reads exactly like Steve Mpman's won all the
awards for his position, was a first team All American
and was on a national title team. Here Shador Sanders
was not a first team All American and uh he
went thirteen and twelve. They won nine games, and they
had a brutal loss to b YU in the last
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Bowl game. Like to compare that to winning a national title.
If I'm on a panel, I'm voting for Deon figures
jersey retirement first the number two, because I think he's
more deserving, uh, based on his accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So great stuff, and we'll see you tomorrow with you
uba a right, palkay it down? Good you miling with
us on the radio show. It is Draft week, by
the way, so have your finger which apparently means have
your finger on the dump button Jackson, Yes, being Draft
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Times will join us at five o'clock from ESPN. Right
here on ninety three three kJ RFM
I can just hear Hugh Millan just grinding his teeth
by the way, waiting off the ear. Can these idiots
please stop talking about restaurants and get my ass on
the air. It's draft week, for God's sakes, for you
two jokers.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Shut the hell up, nobody will man, you want to
grind my gears, but not on this account.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, I get it, I get it. Well, it's Draft week, man,
here we are. We got the mock on Wednesday. We're
gonna see you tomorrow right over at you dub spring practice.
You're gonna swing by and say hi and check out
Demon Williams and Company mock on Wednesday from the Queen
Ann Beer Hall and then Thursday at the vMac getting
going with the first round, second third.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Round on Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But there's all these stories that are coming out about well,
you know, the Seahawks are looking to trade back, and
this team's looking to trade back, and I think a
lot of teams, Hugh are looking to trade back. I
just wonder if there's gonna be enough dance partners that
want to move back up into the first round to
do that, because all we've heard from people this year
is that there's not a lot of first round grades
getting tossed out there by some people.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
In watching the tape, there's a lot of guys, you know,
this is the twenty seventh I think our promo has
got it wrong. These our twenty seventh draft.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And and you know, I'll just take an example Will Campbell,
Uh the left tackle for LSU.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
He's a really nice player, you know, play three year starter.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But you watch him on tape and I'm just thinking
of all the guys that are top five projected, top
five picks, and this is the presumptive guy. I think
more Marx have him going Ford in New England. And
and he just gives up a lot of space. There's
a lack of toughness when he when he when he's
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pulling sometimes, but I think more than anything, he wins
blocks there. There's he's got a lot of Charles crossing him,
which is good. Look, I get I get that he's
going to be a first rounder and and and he's
got a chance to be a solid pro. But man,
he gives a lot of ground. And he's in the
lap of Garrett gus ness Meyer, the LSU quarterback. So
I just you know, that there's many examples like that
(02:05):
where I go, Wow, that doesn't seem like a top four, seven, eight,
twelve pick in most years. So I do think it's then.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, Hugh, let's flip the script.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Then if it's more difficult to trade down, I would
assume it's easier to trade up. So if the Seahawks
were to trade up, is there a guy in that
twelve to fifteen range that you don't think you could
get at eighteen that you think that they could pull
the trigger on and should pull the trigger on.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Tyler Warren would come to mind for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And and I think, you know, in really looking at
you know, this is a process where you go through
multiple stages. You watch players and you kind of think of, Okay, well,
who's liable to be there, you know, and and who's
liable to be like you could say, I really feel
good that this guy's gonna be a top level Pro
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Bowl ish type of player, And you know, one of them,
I think there's there's really only one off the ball
linebacker Giod Campbell from Alabama. And you know, I just wonder, Okay,
how how enamored is Mike McDonald with Tyrees Knight. Now
we don't think of of off ball linebacker as being
a a primary position in need.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But he got a defensive head coach. You know, he's had.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Really stellar linebackers with I'm Patrick Queen playing that will linebacker?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Would that be intriguing to him?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, if if you want to, if you want
to consider that the NFL is an eleven personnel league,
sixty one percent, meaning three receivers, you're gonna play Nickel
most of the time. That means Josh Job is a
starting corner. Is there a corner that would slide to
eighteen that would would that would compel you to move up?
I mean, we know we know the top corners, Travis Hunter,
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he's not going to be there. But Uh, to answer
Dick's question, you know, if Will Johnson or John A.
Barron slides little and you know, would you would you
move up a couple of spots there? I think there's
I think most positions on the the Seahawks team wider.
I'll just say on offense, obviously, the interior of the
offensive line that's the most important. Guard gotta get guards
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and I'm saying plural, but I think tight end, wide receiver,
and then uh, and then on the on the defensive
side of the ball, you know, an edge rusher, yes,
maybe an off ball linebacker as I described a corner
and then uh, you know, Josh Hamilton is the straw
that stirs the drink for the Baltimore Ravens. The you know,
six foot four freak is a safety out of Notre Dame,
(04:39):
first round draft pick, very instinctive player, long enough to
cover tight ends on third.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And medium man and man downs. You know, is there anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That that they feel like, okay, you know, can Nick
I'm and worry from South Carolina?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Can he be that guy?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So? I guess the more I watch tape, the more
I talk myself into Seattle, could do you know, multiple things?
And it would make sense on some level.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What if Tyler Booker, if he's there at eighteen and
they take him. I'm not saying that you're ever going
to have the same reaction you had when they drafted
DK Metcalf and you had relations.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
With the floor that would ever happen again. That'll never
happen again.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
But if Tyler Booker is there at eighteen, I mean,
generally regarded as what the best interior lineman in the draft,
what would your reaction be to that.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
If he ended up a Seahawk, I think I'd feel good,
you know, it would be certainly draft value ish.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It would feel like a good pick in that regard.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I went to the top of the food chain at
Alabama to have a long discussion about a couple of
Alabama prospects, you know, Jaln Milroe and and Booker came up,
and I get glowing reports about you know who this
guy is, the makeup and what have you. But you know,
when I watched the tape, I see a guy that
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if football was only a phone booth sport, I would
love him. But I I there's just there's a real
lack of twitching.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, his feet.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You don't think of offensive line win is an offensive
lineman really twitchy. Well, they're twitchy on a relative scale, right,
I mean, some some have quicker feet than others. And
I'm I'm a little bit concerned about the athleticism there.
It just feels like his cleats are a little too heavy.
When I watch, you know, it's like they're gonna dump
him in lake meat, you know, and that what they
(06:28):
do with guys in Vegas, you know, like you get
behind on your on your gambling debt and they put it,
fill you a concrete shoes and dump you in lake meat.
I feel like he's wearing those kind of boots too
much when I watch him, you know, for me at eighteen,
But I'm gonna watch more between now and you know
and Thursday. It's a never any process. I just feel like,
(06:49):
you know, and when I watch times where I say, okay,
the outside zone, we want to reach and pivot our
hips and what have you, and I've seen a lot
of misses on those times the blocks. So, uh, I
guess I'm probably swayed by the masses about how highly
he's thought of, But the tape for me doesn't really
(07:10):
show it. I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be
slip sliding on mass potatoes, uh at the MAC like
I was with DK Metcalf, And that's a that's a dick.
I'll have to tell you that story someday.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That was Oh no, I know I know the story.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
There was potatoes down there, So yeah, you made the.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Best of made the best of a bad situation. That's
why you were on the floor looking for potatoes. No,
you slipped the potatoes. That's that's your Stori's the story, dude.
You okay, you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, No, In all the in all.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The jubilation, I had a plate full of mass potatoes.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I didn't expect to be moving up.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And then with all the pounding and jumping around, now
the mass potatoes fall on the floor. There's carpet and
the mass potatoes, and now I'm slipping on the mass
potatoes on the carpet and I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Thinking, oh my god, I just stained the carpet.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Now there was no gravy, thankfully, but I was just
it was just a very surreal moment, like the Seahawks
just drafted DK Metcalf and I'm I'm swimming on the
floor in mass potatoes. It was it was the best
of times, in the worst of times.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I guess in that instant, I've got no doubt that
Tyler Booker or Jaln Milroe are great guys.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
But what's Kaitlyn gonna tell you? Is he really gonna
say you.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Know you I didn't say I talked to Karl.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You said you went to the top of the food chain.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Let's talk about Miller. What's your question about Alvil.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I'm just gonna say it is any coach or top
of the food chain at a Division one school gonna
ever tell somebody, Yeah, these are bad guys, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I mean there we had lots of problems with them
draft drafting. Corey still pissed off at Jim Lambory.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I would say, I'm gonna pull it off, pull back.
I would say, yes. The answer is, oftentimes if you
talk to somebody off off the record, yes, they they
absolutely disclose. Uh, yes, fair, yeah, yeah, no, I think
you can get can't. Now, Sometimes it's a little bit
(09:04):
of a beat around the bush that people can be reluctant.
I'm just saying in a generic sense, people can be
reluctant to it's kind of like damning with faint praise
or just kind of you know, it's like like you're right,
Nobody comes out and said, this guy's a turret in
the bottom of the swimming pool, you know, vacate all,
take the kids out of the pool.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You don't hear that kind of five alarms.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But but you definitely can glean the reality by response.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Absolutely you can't.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Hey, Hugh milling with us a little more at fourth
Hugh and he, I know we've talked a lot about
Golden from Texas, so we talked a lot about Ted
McMillan from Arizona. It looks like a mechag Buca is
starting to kind of fly up the draft boards a
little bit. And just like the last maybe week or so,
I don't know, eighteen seems maybe a little bit too
high for a Mecca.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Maybe not with the Seahawks are kind of looking for.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But uh, you know him from his days in high school.
You watched him at Ohio State. Uh, what's your take
when you watch this guy on film?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Man?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, I've known a Mecca a long time.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He he was on my son's uh seven on seventeen,
so my son was thrown to him. I've been you know,
in Vegas, Atlanta, Orange County, you know, just seeing how
he interacts. And maybe Dick's gonna kind of roll his
eyes based on on the last comment he made. But
I can just say a Mecca is an unbelievable kidd.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I've seen the Okay, now I've heard that too as well, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I will say this, there's some people that I ran
across through the you know, the seven on seven circuit
is like a cottage deal, right, and there's some some
kids that I wouldn't say that I probably should won't
say names, but some initials are Savelle, Smalls and Scott.
But you know, but I shouldn't, you know so, But
that's just initialis right. I reckon Buca is a nominal kid,
(11:02):
and now he is if you want to know his attributes,
this guy is a pro. Now I don't I wouldn't
often quote a position coach, but if you're a college
football fan, Seriously, if you're a college football fan, you
know Brian Hartline or you at least know if you
don't know the name, I know that the most esteemed
(11:23):
wide receiver coach in college football is Brian Hartline. He
said that a Mecca's football IQ and toughness are already
on a pro level.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know what he is.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
He's like a mirror of Jackson Smith and Jago. Low
cut guy, like all the attributes, like incredible feel, high IQ.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Work the middle of the field if there's a knock.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Maybe not elite speed down field or strength, but very
very savvy working the middle of the field. And so
I got a lot more to say on him. I
got a lot of notes, but just consider this all
the players who played at Ohio State thing Marvin Harrison,
Garrett Wilson, Chris Olove, Jackson Smith, and Jigma. We got
Jeremiah Smith coming up right a Mecca Abuka broke the
(12:10):
Ohio State record for catches in a career.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Like this is a dude, now, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, how would you rank the first round receivers and
then would you rank them differently for the for the
Seahawks based upon the fit that they need.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
They need it?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, okay, well I think Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter is
the best, and I've I've switched on him. I think
that a month ago I thought that he narrowly should
go defense and then play offenses, you know, maybe on
third down. I think it's the other way around. I
think he should play offense for three downs and play
defense on.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Third make more money that way.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, yeah, I mean there's there's uh, there's only one
corner right now making over twenty five million average a year.
There are eleven wide receivers making over twenty five million.
So so that point, I think that the health standpoint
and just his playmaking ability, I mean, you know, you
know you your all of our opinions should be subject
(13:09):
for change if we acquire more evidence. And I've just
watched a lot more tape and I I just have
kind of you know, I think it was narrow before,
it's narrow now. I haven't switched that much, but I've
gone over the fifty percent threshold. I think Travis Hunt, okay,
he's not gonna be available. Tech McMillan and Matthew Golden
there they both believe it or not. You think Matthew
(13:30):
Golden's more of an inside guy that the Texas Wide receiver,
but he played seventy six percent of his snaps outside,
so Seattle needs an outside receiver. I think I think
Matthew Golden would would would qualify in that. But I
think I think Teed McMillan still has Look if he fails,
(13:51):
I know, we got some promos on the station going around.
I don't think that he is in the mold of
Nikhil Harry. I think Nikhil Harry at the summary of him,
why didn't k kill Harry? Uh fail? He was in
the style of DK metcalf A, J. Brown, Uh, you know,
Terrell Owens, you know, just kind of a yoked up dude.
(14:13):
I think if Teed McMillan fails, it's not stylistically, it's
not uh, Nikhil Harry. I think stylistically it's Drake London,
maybe Mike Evans, Like there's there that there is much
more fluidity in Tet McMillan's body in terms of how
hiss just like he can get, he can be gumby
(14:35):
and and that shows in how he he transitions from
uh from you know passing too a runner. It shows
in how he he runs his routes and and uh,
you know at six four. I think that if he
if if he fails in five years or you know,
whatever the time period it is to assess him, we'll.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Say, well, he was a.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
A Drake London style receiver who, by the way, is
kicking butt h at Atlanta PFF Hadham the number four
rated receiver in all of football. So if he fails
McMillan I'm talking about it will say, well, we thought
he'd be Drake London.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
He's just a lousy version of Drake London. That's why
he'll fail.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't think we'll say he's a lousy version of
Nikhil Harry at least that's that's my prognosis.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
A couple of Seahawk related questions, both from Schneider's press
conference today Hugh and Hugh Millon with Us where he
was asked about picking up Charles Cross's fifth year option,
which I think they have to do by the first
of May, and he was kind of noncommittal on that
that might be a there might be like a book
keeping version or book bookkeeping reason. Excuse me why they're
not saying yes or no on Charles Cross. Would you
(15:41):
have any problem picking up the fifth year option? And
then he was also asked about the reports that they're
willing to trade Sam Howe. Should they be willing to
part with Sam Howe now that Drew Locke has re arrived.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Absolutely, Cat, I'll be shocked if you get anything for him.
Remember now, I did the exercise on the Fitzgerald Spielberger chart.
There was a difference of two hundred and sixteen points.
That equates to the twenty seventh pick of the seventh round.
Let me say that again, Seattle. Stop, people stopped. There's
a PSA. Stop saying Seattle gave up a third round. Yes,
(16:14):
they gave up a third round, but they got a
fourth round or back. If that's all you want to
focus on knock yourself out. I think that the fair
way to do it, or at least a fair way
to do it, is.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
To to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It's it's the all of the draft value was the
equivalent of the twenty seventh pick of the seventh round.
So I don't think they're going to get much for him.
As for Charles Cross, I think they're kind of backed
into a situation when they have to. I think he's
a solid players that you know, you could even say
he's a good player. What I don't like about him
is he wins too often in the lap of the quarterback.
And that's why I was making the comparison with Will Campbell. Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
You know, for me, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That that possibly a guy. If you don't, if you're
literally trying thinking you might not re sign Charles Cross,
then I think Kelvin Banks from Texas, the left tackle
who some people think. I think Kelvin Banks is a
better left tackle prospect than Will Campbell. Uh, just just
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by my tape, and you know, I just think that
he's a better athlete, and I think he wins you
know where he should be winning, which is close to
the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
But but he has.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You know, some people think he's a little bit too
short for tackle, maybe that he's a guard. But I
mean he was six five and an eighth, so that
that's plenty tall enough for me to be a tackle,
almost too tall for a guard.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So I think there's some versatility there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But but that surprises me that Charles Cross isn't isn't
gonna be signed. Not because I think highly that highly
of Charles Cross. It's just they already have enough knees
on the offensive line. I would think i'd want to
address the inside.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I hate to do this to you, but you want
to hang on one more segment? We got a ton
of stuff we haven't even gotten to yet. Yeah, cool that,
I mean, it's all good. So if we ask you
live on the air to stick around them say that,
you'll say yes because everybody's listening.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And if you say no, they'll say, guy, what a
jerk that guy is? He said no? So I'm sorry
to ask about here.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah here?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Why do you hang on one more segment? We've got
a ton of stuff to get to. I want to
kind of get outside the Seahawks as well. A little
bit u Mena Kimes also joins at five, but more
Hugh next on ninety three three KJRFM.
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going to a Tennessee the UCLA quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, you know who is also a UCLA to Americas,
Davis oh Man. He ran for the Hills when Demat
got here, didn't he.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, Hugh Millen's with us, and Hugh you want to
chime on this just for a second. So, Uh, the
kid Nico, I've given up on trying to pronounce his name.
By the way, you know who I'm talking about, Uh,
transfers in from Tennessee to u c l A. Joey
Aguilar was a transfer from app State to u c
l A. He never plays it down and then bounces
(19:18):
when Nico shows up. So U c l A and Tennessee, Hugh,
basically just swapping.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I think I'd rather be the quarterback of Tennessee
than UCLA, of course.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I mean I think this Nico. I mean, in a sense,
it's on a human level.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's it's I want to say tragic, because there's more,
uh more tragic things that can happen to a young man.
But I think it's it's really saddening to think of
this kid. Kid, He's gonna regret this his whole life.
But you know what, I don't. I don't feel sorry
for him. You know, he's old enough to make these
decisions right, and uh, you know, hopefully it'll be a
(19:52):
warning to a lot of other people. Are we gonna
have another year Hugh where the Seahawks draft no quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Probably? Yeah, probably uh two and fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I just don't think that they're going to be compelled.
I think that they're going to feel like, let's just
see how this plays out with Sam Darnold. Let's take
draft capital and try and make the best team we can.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I mean, we've seen that that m for fifteen years now.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So I'm not there's nobody that I'm looking at saying, hey,
I really want to get this guy at a certain level,
right you know, I think there's one quarterback that's really
worthy of attention, and he's going to go number one
to Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, speaking of that of quarterbacks, I'm curious to know
because this is kind of silly season right now in
the NFL. We just got done talking last second about
how Mecca Buka is kind of flying up the draft board.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
We'll see if that actually plays out.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I don't know what teams think of Shard were Sanders, honestly,
because we're sitting here. I'm thinking about the Seahawks number eighteen.
Pittsburgh's at number twenty one. I told this just to
Dick off the air. I refuse to believe that the
Steelers are gonna trade for DK Metcalf, pay him a
zillion dollars and then let Mason Rudolph for Skyler Thompson
throw him the football in his first year as a
(21:17):
Pittsburgh Steelers. So my dream scenario is at the Seahawks
are there, should doers there at eighteen, and they milk
Pittsburgh for maybe a third round pick or whatever to
move up and grab should do at number eighteen. So
what does the NFL even think of this guy because
I got no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, I think if Pittsburgh really feels like they need him,
and of course there's Aaron Rodgers in the equation, and
maybe Mike Tomlin has a gut feel for which way
Rodgers is gonna go. But I think if they're really
feel like they want sa Door Sanders, maybe they feel
like they got to move up higher than maybe eighteen
with Seattle. But you mentioned a silly season. You know,
(21:53):
I'll tell you a story. Now I've got I gotta
be a little bit cryptic, but the message will still
come through. So I have a friend on a staff
of one of the top three teams, and I gotta
be cryptic because I got to protect all right. And
and they had a very very strenuous in person with
(22:14):
with the top quarterbacks, and that the the guy that
you probably think is QB one. The manner in which
they threw a ton at these guys and then they
had to recite stuff in an audience that should be
kind of intimidating. The guy who you think is QB
one absolutely aced it, absolutely smoked it. The guy who
(22:35):
you think is probably QB two, just absolute Pratfaul prep
Fall couldn't almost couldn't get anything out of his mouth.
The difference between QB two and QB one was like
the size of the Grand Canyon in terms of QB
two being way behind QB one in the assessment of
one of these three teams. So then literally I hear
this from my friend and then I'm watching ESPN and
(23:01):
one of these guys, you know, like like he's in
it's an insider, he said, he sits there and he
says he cites that team, how much they love they
the mental capacities and the and and the the fast
processing of this QB two, And I'm just going, oh
my god, like like there's only way one way that
(23:24):
can be uh true is if there's all kinds of rampant, overt,
purposeful line right to just there's this is Red Herring season, right, yeah,
throw the dog off off the trail, and so yeah,
I just I this. It didn't take that anecdote, that
experience for me to realize that, because through the years
(23:45):
I've I've known it, but it just it just hammered home.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I was like, less than twenty four hours later, I
was just.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Hearing how this team was raving about the capacities of
QB two. It's just a joke, a joke that that
we we sit here and we listen to these experts
when there is ample reason for the teams to.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Lie and mislead.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's their job totally here.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
We had Darryl ryder on from Cleveland earlier today and
and he's kind of in lockstep with you. He loves
Travis Hunter, thinks Cleveland's gonna go with Travis Hunter. But
what is the gap between Hunter and Abdul Carter? I mean,
is Abdul Carter an elite pass rusher in your mind?
Or is he just, you know, kind of typically what
what you see from a top five guy in the draft.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I could make an argument that abduall Carter is is
the better choice ever over Travis Hunter. I think there's
a I think that I think that you got a
guy in Abdul Carter who wasn't off the ball linebacker,
who you know, is just new to the position on
the line, who has a freaky athletic trait his toolbox,
(24:49):
and yet he's he's already got some polish with a
number of moves that just seemed to be innate punch,
how he uses his hands a deadly spin move. I
think that Uh, No, I I I'm gonna be shocked
if Abdua Carter is not a a real impactful players player.
I think there's every bit to uh to believe that
(25:12):
that he's at the level at about I'm gonna say,
at about the level of Micah.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Parson's coming out.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, I mean he's got that kind of juice and
and so and then, look, I love tras Travis Hunter.
The more I watch him on tape. As I said, now,
I think he should be a receiver. You know, I
don't think he's the best corner I've seen in the
last five years, nor do I think he's the best
receiver I've seen the last five years. But for this
particular year twenty twenty five, he happens to be, in
(25:41):
my opinion, the best corner and the best receiver, which
is just a freaky thing to say to me, just
just the fact that anybody could say that or.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Under that or believe that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I think he's He's Travis Hunter is is not
without lack of like, there's some polish issues he needs
as a cover guy, and and so and then you're
of course you're concerned every races you're getting two for one. Well,
if he gets hurt at one hundred and a lot
of people think he's sub one hundred and eighty. If
he gets hurt because he's playing all the time, you're
(26:10):
getting zero for the price of one. So like like
these are the type of things if I had to
argue in a debate, take Abdul Carter over Travis Hunter.
I think that there are sound arguments to be made,
and as I think that there are sound arguments to
be made for Hunter.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
You know, it's just kind of where do you need?
What do you need? And and what's your wrist?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Torrents, Hey cute, real quick, got about ninety seconds left
before you go. Did you enjoy Shore Sanders number retirement
ceremony over the weekend?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I'm sure he watched it. Yeah, I was on ESPN two.
You got that, did you?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I didn't see it? Were a second of it. I'll
jump on YouTube to just see the absurd theatrics. But
I would just say this, Dick Can I talked on Friday.
I could make I'm being dead ass serious when I
say this. I don't believe that Dion Sanders is the
most or the jersey number two. There's a guy named
Deon Figures.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And now.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What I say, I'm sorry, sorry, it's coming from Dion, right,
I don't think sad Sanders is the most worthy number two.
If I was on a panel for Colorado, like some
Hall of Fame panel or or hell Jersey retirement, and
and and and you had only one guy to choose from,
Deon Figures has everything that Shador has and more. Deon
(27:26):
Figures was a unanimous All American ser.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Sorry about that live radio, by the way, you know
that right, It's.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's Draft weeks. Shadre Sanders.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
He won he.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Won one UH award for the Best Position uh, the
Johnny Unitas Award, he excuse me, the Golden Arm Award.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
But he didn't win the Maxwell Award, Dion.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And with that, Hugh Mellon has been yanked off the air.
That timing is unbelievable. Man, drafts an S bomb and
that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Somebody pulled the plug here. Do we have you back there?
By the way, I lost here for a second.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Now, I'm all right, yeah, that's Draft week.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
No, I get it. He's kind of fired up about this,
that's fine, I just fired.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Us Deon Figures.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
His resume reads exactly like Steve Mpman's won all the
awards for his position, was a first team All American
and was on a national title team. Here Shador Sanders
was not a first team All American and uh he
went thirteen and twelve. They won nine games, and they
had a brutal loss to b YU in the last
(28:42):
Bowl game. Like to compare that to winning a national title.
If I'm on a panel, I'm voting for Deon figures
jersey retirement first the number two, because I think he's
more deserving, uh, based on his accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So great stuff, and we'll see you tomorrow with you
uba a right, palkay it down? Good you miling with
us on the radio show. It is Draft week, by
the way, so have your finger which apparently means have
your finger on the dump button Jackson, Yes, being Draft
week at all four forty one textimonials are coming. Mina
Times will join us at five o'clock from ESPN. Right
here on ninety three three kJ RFM
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