January 13, 2025 • 16 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to look ahead to Rams-Vikings in Arizona tonight, Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield’s mistake yesterday, and Josh Allen’s skill set showcased in the Bills win, and if the Seahawks should have kept Bobby Wagner.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hugh, we got about fifteen minutes here all right, before
we get the pregame coming up at four point thirty,
kickoff at five, with the Vikings and Rams in Arizona,
Why do you just give us kind of your take
on the game tonight? Man, This game was supposed to
be in LA but got moved to Arizona because of
the fires. Does that have any you think real negative
(00:20):
impact on the rams chances to win tonight?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I would think it's a real distraction that they're gonna
have to contend with. And I you know, it's not
something that they can't overcome, and it's probably good that
they're in Arizona trying to get away from it. But
it's it's a big ask. And so you asked me,
do I think that's gonna materially affect the game? I
would say yes, and I think it's it's likely. You know,
(00:46):
look at the Chargers, they kind of collapse. I think
I think what could happen is if Minnesota gets up,
but let's say two touchdowns at some point, you know,
seventeen points where the Rams might ordinately fight back. You
might see a situation where they just don't have quite
as much you know, fight in them in the face
(01:10):
of adversity. You know, they they might just accept the
idea that this is not our night, not our week,
not our season. They might accept that a little sooner
because of the distractions.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Hugh, I might be a victim of confirmation bias, because,
as you know, I have not been thrilled with the
play calling or the formations or the pre snaps that
that Ryan Grubb did all year long.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But I am watching these teams. I've you know, watched five.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Games in a row over the course of two days,
and to me, the level of creativity that I'm seeing
on offense far out surpasses what I've seen for seventeen
games with the Seahawks. Am I just looking for something
or are you seeing that as well?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, it's not something that struck me. I think that,
you know, you look at Ryan Grubb. If you're talking
about motions. For example, Grub was in the top five
in college football in the use of motions, and that
was a big part of what they talked about. Lots
of shifts and motions. There are some quarterbacks who and
(02:15):
I'm not saying Geno's had this discussion, but there are
some quarterbacks who don't want to play with motion. I
remember Keith Gilbertson saying, hey, Cody Pickett says, just hey,
line up, coach.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Please don't move.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I just I need to see everything so that I
can process it. And so, you know, somehow the theory
would have to reconcile why he would be so creative
at least in that regard at Washington, and then why
would be substantially less? Why is he substantially more in
shotgun less play action. So I think that it was
(02:52):
grubbs attempt at fitting the personnel of the Seahawks, because
you know, at the very least we had seen it before,
and to the extent that you've observed that that we didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
See it as much. There may be other causes.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, right, I mean, is it possible that that that
that cause you're talking about is Geno himself, like you said,
with previous quarterbacks and whoever the new coordinator is, you
still won't see a lot of it. If Gino Smith
is your starting quarterback.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
That's possible.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But I want to use my words carefully because I
haven't been told that. I don't have inside information on that.
I'm just saying that that's one reason you're still You're
gonna have to reconcile. Why would you go from the
top of college football right to near the bottom of
pro football? You know, just philosophically, did you just decide
to change? But and so I know there are a
(03:45):
set of quarterbacks who have expressed generally privately that they
don't want to play with motion, They wanted to see
more things basic. I don't know if Geno's in that set,
but there is that there is a set.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He Let me ask you about the Baker Mayfield fumble
and the Commander's Buccaneers game yesterday, sticking the ball right
in Jalen McMillan's kidney. At first glance, it looks like
it was on Baker. Is there something that we're missing
there that maybe would kind of get him off the
hook for that in your mind?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, I think it's on Baker, and I think there's
two mistakes made. First of all, I think he snapped
the ball too late, so he didn't time up the
jet sweep with j with McMillan right. And then there's
a split second there where you have to realize, Okay,
this isn't gonna work a board. It was first and
ten and the defense had just had a great stop.
(04:37):
You know what he needed to do is just turn
around get as many yards as he could. Wagner was
eyeing the play. The tackle had fanned out and was
pulling out on the perimeter. So I don't think it
was a fake fly sweep that we see often. I
think it was a real fly sweep based on the
blocking that I saw on the coaches tape. And so yeah,
you just gotta you gotta eject out the play and
(05:01):
salvage it. It probably would have been a two yard loss.
He lived to play on second and twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Ye, I was going to ask you about this on Friday,
we ran out of time. You had made it clear
that Gino was pretty lucky in his first year, and
I believe his first couple of years as far as
how many turnovers he had versus how many turnover worthy
plays he had. Do you know how that worked out
in twenty twenty four And was he still lucky or
(05:27):
was he unlucky because he certainly had a lot more turnovers.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, I have done so much Gino number crunching. I
can't believe I haven't got to that one. Yeah, the
way it had played out there was exactly fifty quarterbacks
in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, and in
terms of the percent of turnovers actually of turnover worthy
plays that actually resulted in turnovers, it was fifty one
(05:55):
point nine percent, and that was quote unquote the second
lee luckiest, and then the average was seventy nine percent thereabouts.
But for twenty twenty four, Yeah, Ring, check me on
that one. But I've got other stuff here with Gino
that that I'll just transition myself, Dave, if I can.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Chuck had come out guys in the morning and he said,
it seems like Geno, so many of the mistakes are
are exceedingly costly, right, And and I thought, well, is
there a number that can reasonably be ascribed to either
affirm or refute that hypothesis. And it turns out that
(06:46):
there is, And what there is is it's called expected
point added and on. For example, on the Geno interception
the one hundred and three yard return against the Rams
in Lumenfield that had a negative twelve point six or
thereabouts EPA, I've got it to eight decimal points the
(07:10):
way the NFL supplies it, that was the second costliest
play as measured by expected points.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
In all of pro football.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Now, just to make a comment about expected points. When
I run the correlation numbers on some of these quarterback
statistics with it's like a batting average. The higher the number,
the more it's correlated to winning. Completion percentage only has
a three to zero eight. Here's a few others before
I get to the EPA passer rating is seven sixty nine.
(07:42):
Yards per attempt is seven o five. Completion percentage on
first down to get a first down or touchdown that's
seven eighty six. Third down conversion seven to ninety. These
are high correlation rates. Nothing is the correlation rate of
EPA infected points added. It's the basis for the ESPN
(08:03):
QB are not Basser rating, but that our correlation is
point eight thirty one.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
This is an exceedingly high correlation to winning.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And if you take again back to Chuck's hypothesis, I said, okay,
take the twenty worst plays as measured by EPA by
all quarterbacks, and what is the sum and who has
the lowest? Well, if you take Geno's twenty worst plays,
(08:33):
it is negative ninety nine point two four to three.
I just gave you three decimal points the league gives
me eight. That's how precise this thing is. That is
number one in the NFL. It is his twenty most
costly are and then, by the way, the second places
(08:54):
jameis yep, jameis Winston.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And those two are.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It's often like the eye tests confer is exactly what
you're saying, because those are the two two quarterbacks that
you watch and go, my god, they kill their teams.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Then what are we doing here with him?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, honestly, like I mean, Hugh, I got Corbyn
Smith all over my timeline telling me how great Geno
Smith is.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I don't know if Corbyn is fancying himself as
an analyst now or a reporter or what he's doing,
but it's like he's this guy's agent, for God's sakes.
And I mean, look, I think there's room for a
little gray area. And then you got guys like Corbin
that go all the way to one side and want
to put the guy in the Hall of Fame. You're
telling me he's got the you know, the most costly
plays in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Behind Jamber in front of Jamis Winston. So what are
we doing?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Like, what are we doing starting to think about attaching
forty four and a half million.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Dollars to this guy next year. If those numbers are accurate.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, look, I cunch a lot of numbers. I see
a lot of numbers. And if I wanted to take
numbers and and support the theory that Gino is a
bottom five quarterback in the NFL, if I wanted to
cherry pick, I could do that, and I could I
(10:06):
could list out several numbers where Geno is not only
like bottom twenty eight or twenty nine, like into the
forties and fifties, like worse than backups. Okay, And if
I really wanted to drive that point Geno's a bottom
five quarterback, I could lay out some numbers that support that.
But I don't believe that, and I would be ignoring
(10:30):
other numbers that are favorable to Gino. And I think
an honest analysis is that Geno is basically right in
the middle. I think what you're talking about is, for example,
if you take big time throws under pressure, okay, Geno six,
but the big time throw percentage, Geno's nineteenth tied for nineteenth,
(10:54):
which means he's tied for twenty first. If you take
if you just want to cite completion percentage, well, you know,
fourth in the league, but his passer rating under pressure
is uh is thirty.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Second in the league.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So if you want to just cite completion percentage, which,
as I've said, like like the correlation, completion percentage has
a very low correlation. Passer rating has a much higher correlation.
So so here, you know, if if a reporter wants
to say, well, he's third in this category, and he's
going to totally ignore even though he sees it, even
(11:30):
though he sees that that the rating he's thirty second,
but he doesn't want to report that, then you're you're
you're looking at a biased analysis.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
You know, like the big time throw big time throws.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Uh, these are on deep passes, well, Gino's third, but
on the three the big time throw percentage, which is
more revealing, he's the thirteenth. You know, there's just a
whole bunch of of stats where if you're just saying, okay,
I want to thread the needle here to support the
idea that Gino's you know, top five, or are the
(12:09):
you know, the best value or this and that, Yeah,
you can find the numbers to do that, but you'd
be purposely and will willfully ignoring other numbers that in
their aggregate point to Geno being.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Basically right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
A numbers based argument is gonna put Gino in the
middle every single time.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Got about four minutes, guys, go ahead, all right, you.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Were starting to talk on Friday when we chatted about
Josh Allen. You were not able to finish your speech
on Allen. And I know that Alan performed probably just
the way you would have expected him to play this weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, well, I just think that he's a remarkable physical specimen.
What I was saying is that if you just eyeball
his size, watch him move, you know, just one time
run a forty yard dash or drop back on a
seven step drop. You can see how fast and how
fluid he is in his movements. And then you know,
have him throw a far hash deep out route a
(13:08):
comeback at twenty yards and he's going to smoke that
ball like a catcher throwing it to second base. Sports
Science when he came out of the draft, they hooked
up these these sensors on his two fingers when he
threw the ball.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
You can YouTube.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
This is readilarly available, and they calculated that his fingers
at the release his index and middle finger were traveling
seventy four miles an hour. It's the fastest they've ever
recorded finger spin. So what you're going to see if
you stand behind him, You're going to see a big
dude who is a sasquatch, who moves great, who has velocity,
(13:47):
turns of football into baseball, and has a spin rate.
And oh, by the way, I took aero dynamics classes
at the University of Washington.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I put footballs into wind tunnels.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm not going to get into the the you know,
the Reynolds numbers and all the things that you described,
uh drag coefficient, but when a ball spins faster, it
has less drag. Okay, in a wind tunnels that you
just see the wake. And when he spins that ball
and his fingers have that thing going at seventy four
miles an hour spinning, it is so aerodynamically efficient as
(14:17):
it pierces the air. I mean, this guy is a freak,
and you know, I think he's the in those respects.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
He's the most gifted quarterback I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, well, if he's going seventy four miles an hour,
that's like my hand reaching into my freezer for an
ice cream sandwich. Man, That's the only thing moves faster
than that is me back when I was two seventy
by the way, But he is a stud. There's no question.
Hey dude, we got like forty seconds. Like I'm betting,
I want to get your thoughts on Bobby Wagner. Give
me forty five seconds or less. I'm not kidding you.
(14:48):
Did they make a mistake? Did the Hawks make a
misteak letting this guy walk?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
No, I don't think so because of the following thing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
If you take not just tackles, but yards per tackle,
very simple, how many yards during the Super Bowl years
you had Bobby at four point four and four point
three yards per tackle? He was a fifteenth and fourteenth
in the league in his last six years before he
left for the Rams. This is what his rankings were
(15:15):
in tackles. This is just tackles first night, second, first, six,
and second. This is what his rank was in yards
per tackle, meaning he's tackling down the field thirty third,
thirty six, sixty six, seventy second, fifty first, forty ninth.
He averaged three point fifth rank in tackles. He averaged
fifty first rank in yards per tackle. He was he
(15:38):
wasn't the player he had been earlier. He was catching
blocks and he was making tackles down the field. He
was still making All Pro because the voters they just
look at the tackles. But he it was a different
program in terms of his physicality.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Love it all right, man, great stuff. Enjoy the game tonight,
and we'll do it again Friday. All right, we'll talk
to them, buddy. Thanks pal, I can roll hammer down,
uh right, humiling with us. So we got dout a
I'll playoff football. I love this Monday night wildcard action
from Arizona Vikings Rams. I believe Kevin Harlan's got the call.
We're gonna hang out watch the entire game at the
Emerald Queen Casino.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Who do you got tonight? Quickly? Yeah? Rooting for the Rams,
Hey Jackson, who wins tonight?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Vikings? I'm rooting for the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I'm with you, rooting for Minnesota. Think the Vikings
win too. We'll find out.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
We're gonna break football's next See you Bye,
Hugh, we got about fifteen minutes here all right, before
we get the pregame coming up at four point thirty,
kickoff at five, with the Vikings and Rams in Arizona,
Why do you just give us kind of your take
on the game tonight? Man, This game was supposed to
be in LA but got moved to Arizona because of
the fires. Does that have any you think real negative
(00:20):
impact on the rams chances to win tonight?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I would think it's a real distraction that they're gonna
have to contend with. And I you know, it's not
something that they can't overcome, and it's probably good that
they're in Arizona trying to get away from it. But
it's it's a big ask. And so you asked me,
do I think that's gonna materially affect the game? I
would say yes, and I think it's it's likely. You know,
(00:46):
look at the Chargers, they kind of collapse. I think
I think what could happen is if Minnesota gets up,
but let's say two touchdowns at some point, you know,
seventeen points where the Rams might ordinately fight back. You
might see a situation where they just don't have quite
as much you know, fight in them in the face
(01:10):
of adversity. You know, they they might just accept the
idea that this is not our night, not our week,
not our season. They might accept that a little sooner
because of the distractions.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Hugh, I might be a victim of confirmation bias, because,
as you know, I have not been thrilled with the
play calling or the formations or the pre snaps that
that Ryan Grubb did all year long.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But I am watching these teams. I've you know, watched five.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Games in a row over the course of two days,
and to me, the level of creativity that I'm seeing
on offense far out surpasses what I've seen for seventeen
games with the Seahawks. Am I just looking for something
or are you seeing that as well?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, it's not something that struck me. I think that,
you know, you look at Ryan Grubb. If you're talking
about motions. For example, Grub was in the top five
in college football in the use of motions, and that
was a big part of what they talked about. Lots
of shifts and motions. There are some quarterbacks who and
(02:15):
I'm not saying Geno's had this discussion, but there are
some quarterbacks who don't want to play with motion. I
remember Keith Gilbertson saying, hey, Cody Pickett says, just hey,
line up, coach.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Please don't move.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I just I need to see everything so that I
can process it. And so, you know, somehow the theory
would have to reconcile why he would be so creative
at least in that regard at Washington, and then why
would be substantially less? Why is he substantially more in
shotgun less play action. So I think that it was
(02:52):
grubbs attempt at fitting the personnel of the Seahawks, because
you know, at the very least we had seen it before,
and to the extent that you've observed that that we didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
See it as much. There may be other causes.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, right, I mean, is it possible that that that
that cause you're talking about is Geno himself, like you said,
with previous quarterbacks and whoever the new coordinator is, you
still won't see a lot of it. If Gino Smith
is your starting quarterback.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
That's possible.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But I want to use my words carefully because I
haven't been told that. I don't have inside information on that.
I'm just saying that that's one reason you're still You're
gonna have to reconcile. Why would you go from the
top of college football right to near the bottom of
pro football? You know, just philosophically, did you just decide
to change? But and so I know there are a
(03:45):
set of quarterbacks who have expressed generally privately that they
don't want to play with motion, They wanted to see
more things basic. I don't know if Geno's in that set,
but there is that there is a set.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He Let me ask you about the Baker Mayfield fumble
and the Commander's Buccaneers game yesterday, sticking the ball right
in Jalen McMillan's kidney. At first glance, it looks like
it was on Baker. Is there something that we're missing
there that maybe would kind of get him off the
hook for that in your mind?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, I think it's on Baker, and I think there's
two mistakes made. First of all, I think he snapped
the ball too late, so he didn't time up the
jet sweep with j with McMillan right. And then there's
a split second there where you have to realize, Okay,
this isn't gonna work a board. It was first and
ten and the defense had just had a great stop.
(04:37):
You know what he needed to do is just turn
around get as many yards as he could. Wagner was
eyeing the play. The tackle had fanned out and was
pulling out on the perimeter. So I don't think it
was a fake fly sweep that we see often. I
think it was a real fly sweep based on the
blocking that I saw on the coaches tape. And so yeah,
you just gotta you gotta eject out the play and
(05:01):
salvage it. It probably would have been a two yard loss.
He lived to play on second and twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Ye, I was going to ask you about this on Friday,
we ran out of time. You had made it clear
that Gino was pretty lucky in his first year, and
I believe his first couple of years as far as
how many turnovers he had versus how many turnover worthy
plays he had. Do you know how that worked out
in twenty twenty four And was he still lucky or
(05:27):
was he unlucky because he certainly had a lot more turnovers.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, I have done so much Gino number crunching. I
can't believe I haven't got to that one. Yeah, the
way it had played out there was exactly fifty quarterbacks
in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, and in
terms of the percent of turnovers actually of turnover worthy
plays that actually resulted in turnovers, it was fifty one
(05:55):
point nine percent, and that was quote unquote the second
lee luckiest, and then the average was seventy nine percent thereabouts.
But for twenty twenty four, Yeah, Ring, check me on
that one. But I've got other stuff here with Gino
that that I'll just transition myself, Dave, if I can.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Chuck had come out guys in the morning and he said,
it seems like Geno, so many of the mistakes are
are exceedingly costly, right, And and I thought, well, is
there a number that can reasonably be ascribed to either
affirm or refute that hypothesis. And it turns out that
(06:46):
there is, And what there is is it's called expected
point added and on. For example, on the Geno interception
the one hundred and three yard return against the Rams
in Lumenfield that had a negative twelve point six or
thereabouts EPA, I've got it to eight decimal points the
(07:10):
way the NFL supplies it, that was the second costliest
play as measured by expected points.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
In all of pro football.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Now, just to make a comment about expected points. When
I run the correlation numbers on some of these quarterback
statistics with it's like a batting average. The higher the number,
the more it's correlated to winning. Completion percentage only has
a three to zero eight. Here's a few others before
I get to the EPA passer rating is seven sixty nine.
(07:42):
Yards per attempt is seven o five. Completion percentage on
first down to get a first down or touchdown that's
seven eighty six. Third down conversion seven to ninety. These
are high correlation rates. Nothing is the correlation rate of
EPA infected points added. It's the basis for the ESPN
(08:03):
QB are not Basser rating, but that our correlation is
point eight thirty one.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
This is an exceedingly high correlation to winning.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And if you take again back to Chuck's hypothesis, I said, okay,
take the twenty worst plays as measured by EPA by
all quarterbacks, and what is the sum and who has
the lowest? Well, if you take Geno's twenty worst plays,
(08:33):
it is negative ninety nine point two four to three.
I just gave you three decimal points the league gives
me eight. That's how precise this thing is. That is
number one in the NFL. It is his twenty most
costly are and then, by the way, the second places
(08:54):
jameis yep, jameis Winston.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And those two are.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It's often like the eye tests confer is exactly what
you're saying, because those are the two two quarterbacks that
you watch and go, my god, they kill their teams.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Then what are we doing here with him?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, honestly, like I mean, Hugh, I got Corbyn
Smith all over my timeline telling me how great Geno
Smith is.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I don't know if Corbyn is fancying himself as
an analyst now or a reporter or what he's doing,
but it's like he's this guy's agent, for God's sakes.
And I mean, look, I think there's room for a
little gray area. And then you got guys like Corbin
that go all the way to one side and want
to put the guy in the Hall of Fame. You're
telling me he's got the you know, the most costly
plays in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Behind Jamber in front of Jamis Winston. So what are
we doing?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Like, what are we doing starting to think about attaching
forty four and a half million.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Dollars to this guy next year. If those numbers are accurate.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, look, I cunch a lot of numbers. I see
a lot of numbers. And if I wanted to take
numbers and and support the theory that Gino is a
bottom five quarterback in the NFL, if I wanted to
cherry pick, I could do that, and I could I
(10:06):
could list out several numbers where Geno is not only
like bottom twenty eight or twenty nine, like into the
forties and fifties, like worse than backups. Okay, And if
I really wanted to drive that point Geno's a bottom
five quarterback, I could lay out some numbers that support that.
But I don't believe that, and I would be ignoring
(10:30):
other numbers that are favorable to Gino. And I think
an honest analysis is that Geno is basically right in
the middle. I think what you're talking about is, for example,
if you take big time throws under pressure, okay, Geno six,
but the big time throw percentage, Geno's nineteenth tied for nineteenth,
(10:54):
which means he's tied for twenty first. If you take
if you just want to cite completion percentage, well, you know,
fourth in the league, but his passer rating under pressure
is uh is thirty.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Second in the league.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So if you want to just cite completion percentage, which,
as I've said, like like the correlation, completion percentage has
a very low correlation. Passer rating has a much higher correlation.
So so here, you know, if if a reporter wants
to say, well, he's third in this category, and he's
going to totally ignore even though he sees it, even
(11:30):
though he sees that that the rating he's thirty second,
but he doesn't want to report that, then you're you're
you're looking at a biased analysis.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
You know, like the big time throw big time throws.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Uh, these are on deep passes, well, Gino's third, but
on the three the big time throw percentage, which is
more revealing, he's the thirteenth. You know, there's just a
whole bunch of of stats where if you're just saying, okay,
I want to thread the needle here to support the
idea that Gino's you know, top five, or are the
(12:09):
you know, the best value or this and that, Yeah,
you can find the numbers to do that, but you'd
be purposely and will willfully ignoring other numbers that in
their aggregate point to Geno being.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Basically right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
A numbers based argument is gonna put Gino in the
middle every single time.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Got about four minutes, guys, go ahead, all right, you.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Were starting to talk on Friday when we chatted about
Josh Allen. You were not able to finish your speech
on Allen. And I know that Alan performed probably just
the way you would have expected him to play this weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, well, I just think that he's a remarkable physical specimen.
What I was saying is that if you just eyeball
his size, watch him move, you know, just one time
run a forty yard dash or drop back on a
seven step drop. You can see how fast and how
fluid he is in his movements. And then you know,
have him throw a far hash deep out route a
(13:08):
comeback at twenty yards and he's going to smoke that
ball like a catcher throwing it to second base. Sports
Science when he came out of the draft, they hooked
up these these sensors on his two fingers when he
threw the ball.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
You can YouTube.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
This is readilarly available, and they calculated that his fingers
at the release his index and middle finger were traveling
seventy four miles an hour. It's the fastest they've ever
recorded finger spin. So what you're going to see if
you stand behind him, You're going to see a big
dude who is a sasquatch, who moves great, who has velocity,
(13:47):
turns of football into baseball, and has a spin rate.
And oh, by the way, I took aero dynamics classes
at the University of Washington.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I put footballs into wind tunnels.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm not going to get into the the you know,
the Reynolds numbers and all the things that you described,
uh drag coefficient, but when a ball spins faster, it
has less drag. Okay, in a wind tunnels that you
just see the wake. And when he spins that ball
and his fingers have that thing going at seventy four
miles an hour spinning, it is so aerodynamically efficient as
(14:17):
it pierces the air. I mean, this guy is a freak,
and you know, I think he's the in those respects.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
He's the most gifted quarterback I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, well, if he's going seventy four miles an hour,
that's like my hand reaching into my freezer for an
ice cream sandwich. Man, That's the only thing moves faster
than that is me back when I was two seventy
by the way, But he is a stud. There's no question.
Hey dude, we got like forty seconds. Like I'm betting,
I want to get your thoughts on Bobby Wagner. Give
me forty five seconds or less. I'm not kidding you.
(14:48):
Did they make a mistake? Did the Hawks make a
misteak letting this guy walk?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
No, I don't think so because of the following thing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
If you take not just tackles, but yards per tackle,
very simple, how many yards during the Super Bowl years
you had Bobby at four point four and four point
three yards per tackle? He was a fifteenth and fourteenth
in the league in his last six years before he
left for the Rams. This is what his rankings were
(15:15):
in tackles. This is just tackles first night, second, first, six,
and second. This is what his rank was in yards
per tackle, meaning he's tackling down the field thirty third,
thirty six, sixty six, seventy second, fifty first, forty ninth.
He averaged three point fifth rank in tackles. He averaged
fifty first rank in yards per tackle. He was he
(15:38):
wasn't the player he had been earlier. He was catching
blocks and he was making tackles down the field. He
was still making All Pro because the voters they just
look at the tackles. But he it was a different
program in terms of his physicality.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Love it all right, man, great stuff. Enjoy the game tonight,
and we'll do it again Friday. All right, we'll talk
to them, buddy. Thanks pal, I can roll hammer down,
uh right, humiling with us. So we got dout a
I'll playoff football. I love this Monday night wildcard action
from Arizona Vikings Rams. I believe Kevin Harlan's got the call.
We're gonna hang out watch the entire game at the
Emerald Queen Casino.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Who do you got tonight? Quickly? Yeah? Rooting for the Rams,
Hey Jackson, who wins tonight?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Vikings? I'm rooting for the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I'm with you, rooting for Minnesota. Think the Vikings
win too. We'll find out.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
We're gonna break football's next See you Bye,
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