Furness Show 3-19: Bracketology Show, Gary Parrish, Daily Power Play.

We are LIVE at the Snoqualmie Casino for our 2024 Bracketology show, Ian starts the show with giving us some numbers regarding the history of March Madness.   Gary Parrish joins the show to talk about who got left out, who got screwed on the seeding, and what is the future of the tournament.  Daily Power Play as Kraken lose to Buffalo.   Gary Parrish rejoins the show to break down each religion, gives his upset picks, and strategies for how to pick your bracket.

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but be in here with you,just as next to me. Andrews
back at the studio and Gary Parrishon this Tuesday will join us coming up

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at about one twenty today and listen. I know you guys are all it
was gonna fill out a bracket.We'll tell you why in a second.
Why do I know that? I'lltell you why in a second because there
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tell you up front, we're notgoing to go through every single game and
every single matchup and all the regions. I've done that in the past.
It kind of becomes monotonous, butwe will give you some bullet points.
With Gary, we will give yousome tips along the way. Andrews,
I don't like doing this because Iknow people are listening that I don't know
are in the same pools that weare against you. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, so it's not you know, but we will still do that anyway

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as a public service thanks to thegreat Gary Parish. Coming up, We've
got playing games coming up OVERUND nineto fifty am tonight, a couple of
good playing games as well, sowe'll get to those as the afternoon goes
along. Who was seated well,who wasn't, Who got screwed, who
didn't, who shouldn't be in?But more importantly, what should you be
looking for in your bracket? We'lldo a quick daily power play because frankly,

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that's about what they deserve on thistracking ticket. Tuesday. Do they
even deserve one? I don't know. Yeah, oh, do they feel
like they've tapped out at cracket?That's what it feels like to me.
Honestly, I was that was bad. I was at thirty two bar grill
last night, and it's like theoohs and the ohs and like, oh
yeah, yeah, all right,enough of them, that's it, that's

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it, We're good. We'll getto them at one forty five, and
then we'll have a special guest joinedus at one fifty. But then of
course Gary Parrish two segments two o'clockand also one twenty today. I mentioned
this and I want to go throughthis. I think this is some fun
things I found along the way withwhat March madness is kind of all about.
And you know, a lot oftimes, you know, we do

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fantasy football, and I hear peopleyou don't care about fantasy football, and
I say, well, that's fine, you're very much in the minority,
Like you're very very much if you'relistening now. I also know that I
work for a sports radio station,right, so it's like, I I
know what people we talk sports,and if you're a sports fan, the
majority of sports fans not all themajority sports fans play fantasy football. I

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also know, as working for asports station, that march madness. Even
though in say our market, Seattle, and a lot of cities across the
country, college basketball isn't a reallybig thing until the next four days and
the next three weeks, and thenit becomes a really big deal. Well
why is it a big deal?It's because of one thing and one thing

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only. And this is why theNCAA cannot screw it up. People fill
out brackets even if they haven't watchedone bit of college basketball. The game
start is Jess mentioned at nine o'clockon Thursday, the real game six to
field of sixty four. We havethem all forty here on ninety three point
three KJRFM. They're going morning,noon, and night. And people were
invested in it. Why let methrow some numbers at you guys. Sixty

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eight million college basketball fans will wagerover fifteen billion dollars on the tournament.
Let me repeat that again, andthat's a variety ways. Sixty eight million
college basketball fans, one for eachteam, will wager over fifteen billion dollars.
It was the billion, it's billion, fifteen billion dollars are wagered every

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year on March Madness. I thinkthey got a little bit of my ten
dollars. That doesn't include another twentyone million estimated that actually do something casually,
not on cbssports dot Com or ESPNor yah who are in those.
They just do it casually with theneighborhood. In fact, I did one
of those last night. We doa draft. We draft teams by region,
and you draft teams and the mostwins at the end wins. So

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that's it. That's that is,that's the twenty one million. That's why
I put Yeah, that's not abrack. That's not a bracket. There's
some other numbers that jump off thepage before we get to Gary Perage.
In twenty twenty three. Last season, seventy five percent of fans bet for
the first time in March Madness.Like there was more people betting for the
first time last year than ever before. Now those kids that can't afford run,

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ye, say, let's go forit. This is my favorite one.
Okay. Sixteen point three this isa billion again b sixteen point three
billion dollars in corporate losses are attributedto distracted employees watching the game. They
Yeah, okay, sixteen billion dollarslost on Thursday and Friday, specifically on

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employees who are distracted watching games.All right, who did that stuff?
The average employee will watch around sixhours of game time during the course of
the first four days. Fifty sixpercent of million millennial workers will miss a
deadline for something to watch. Damnmillennials. So hey, your ten z,

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you don't talk about us. Businessescan expect employees to watch up to
six hours of the games during theirwork hours, and not specifically on Thursday
and Friday. And you think aboutit. We're in a different world.
We don't know these, But thinkabout your friends, think about people that
aren't in our business, and howmany And I know this when I if
I'll come up to the Stow coalmMe Casino on Thursday and Friday, and
if people go to other casinos aroundthe area, these the sports book and

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another play, they will be packed. They will be packed over the next
few days and and so that money. Now, there's other numbers I want
to get to coming up a littlebit later on, but just for our
sake, and this is when wetalked to Gary. Coming up. This
is from the n Cuba itself ontheir website. They define an ups what

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do you think an upset is inin college basketball with March Madness anders?
What do you think, Jess?What do you think? And like what
the lowest seed of an upset couldbe? Yeah, like, yeah,
that's kind of a weird question.Let me let me phrase it's twelve,
it's beyond. So they define anupset as in, the winning team was

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seated at least five seed lines worsethan the loser. Okay, okay,
so five seed lines little bit moreso, So a ten to seven is
not an upset as far as theNCAA is concerned. On eleven six is
an upset? Interest that's where twelvefive, you know I would start four

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twelve is how you go. Sothat's what an upset is. Now.
I'll give you some numbers a littlebit later on in terms of how many
upsets to actually expect. Because Iwas just talking with the bartenders here earlier.
No, I haven't had a drinkkit, but I was talking.
I was talking to one of thebartenders and we were talking about upsets,
and I said, you know,there's there's fewer upsets in March Madness every
year than people realize. They're justthere's not as many as you think average

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per year, about eight and ahalf true upsets based on what I just
said, a five seed line difference, and how many in the first round
versus like later in the tournament.Well that's listen, how about that I'm
gonna get I'm going to get tothat to you later on, because I
have those numbers for you. Obviously, they diminish as the as the rounds
go on and they get smaller andsmaller. I will tell you this,

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the twelve five is not the mostcommon upset really in march madness. So
when you're out there drying to bethe smartest guy in the planet, going,
I'm gonna take it twelve five here, and I'll leave maybe two of
them and figure if I take twoor three of them, I'll hit one
of them and I'll be the smartestguy in the room. That That's what
this is. The brackets interesting,You might you might be onto something.

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Undy, you might be you mightbe onto something. With the thirteen to
four, you might be onto something. Uh yeah, So we'll get to
some of those as well. Secondround. All kinds of stuff to get
to today. Some of the numbers. We're not going to go through,
like I said, every single game, but we'll have Gary kind of break
it down for us who got screwed, who didn't, who got screwed by
seating. It's not always a lowerseated teams. Sometimes it's the one seats

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that have the biggest complaint. Garyis here to explain all that. He'll
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Me Casino on your exclusive home forMarch Madness. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJR FM. All right,here you go, it is time to
talk all we've been waiting. We'vebeen waiting. We have brackets in front
of us, we have seatings tocomplain about, we have locations and venues
to complain about. It's all therejoining us right now on the Beacon Plumbing

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Hotline. Thanks to no Lie Brewing. It is our guy from CBS Sports,
cbsports dot Com, and the CBSSports Network. We just saw a
moment ago. Gar Perish, myfriend. Have you slept in the last
seventy two hours? I meanchnically yes, but not a lot of minutes consecutively.
I think I got maybe three onSunday night, three hours an hour

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or so on a flight last night, then another four in my own bed
last night. It's that time ofthe year where you know, I pushed
it to the extreme. I'm notsure I'm gonna be able to do this
forever, but I can still doit now, so I'm happy to do
it. I'm tired, but I'mexcited. It's a fun week. I
love it. All right. Letme We're gonna do this in a couple
of segments today with Gary. Thisfirst segment, we're gonna talk about some

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seating issues because I heard you guyson the Iron College Basketball podcast on Sunday,
and it's not often you guys getrevved up about things like seating.
Usually it's like, hey, justgo win, play better what have you?
But you did, and I kindof look around the country a lot
of people say it talking about thesame thing. Also, I know this
isn't your favorite topic, but Ido want to like who got left out
and why. We'll get to thata little bit in this segment, also

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Zags and McNeice, Koog's and Drake, and then we'll kind of look at
the overall bracket in the two o'clockhour. Let's start first with who just
got left out that should not havegot left out? Gary, in your
opinion and why. I mean,it's easy to say win more games,
but who has the biggest complaint inthe country. I would say that I
don't think anybody has a great complaintgiven the way the season unfolded, because

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we really did have an unusual numberof bid Steelers for people who maybe don't
quite understand exactly what that means.Anytime a team in a multi bid league
that isn't expected to get an atlarge bid wins the auto bid. It
immediately flips that league from a whateverbid league to a whatever bid league.

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In other words, if this leagueis supposed to get three but then some
team that's not supposed to be oneof those three wins the auto bid and
those other three teams still get atlarge, is that three bid league becomes
a four orbidley. That happened fivedifferent times, according to the committee chair,
which means in a year where youwould have thirty two automatic bids and

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thirty six at largest, that's stilltechnically true, but by the end it
felt like thirty one at largest.Think of it this way, maybe this
is the best way to visualize it. You take thirty six chairs and you
put them at a table, andthen Rick Patino says, hey, you
think you're gonna have room for me, like on Thursday, and you're like,

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yeah, Rick, we got thirtysix chairs. It looks like we're
gonna have room for you. Andthen Shaheen in Holloway at Seaton Hall,
he's like, hey, you thinkyou got room for me? And it's
like, well, we got thirtysix chairs. Yeah, it looks like
we got room for you. Andthen you know, Josh Shirts in Indiana
State says what about me, andyou say, we got thirty six chairs,
it looks like we got room foryou too. But by the time
we got the selection Sunday, bythe time Adam Zucker came on CBS to

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unveil that bracket, for all intentsand purposes, we had thirty one chairs.
We didn't have have as many chairsas we thought we were gonna have.
So I would have had Saint John'sin, I would have had Virginia
out. I would have had Oklahomain. I would have had a Florida
Atlantic out. But I can tellyou, as I sat there Sunday afternoon

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and really wanted to actually go throughit, and like, I'm going to
take all these bubble teams and I'mgonna sort them the way I would sort
them, it was very hard todistinguish between the last two you put in
and the and the first two youleft out. There wasn't much difference in
between the resumes. So I don'tfeel sorry for anybody that got left out.

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I understand the disappointment and thinking youwere safe watching the bubble shrink and
then finding out you're not. Butif you got left out, you don't
have a great argument in your favor. Right now, Gary Paris joining us.
You know the thing I was,I jumped out at me and we
talked about him, and it's justthere's an interest out here because there are
three Washington State or ex Washington Statecoaches in the tournament, and you know,

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the only one that's not the gutthe Cougar's to the tournament is the
Hall of Famer George Ravelin, whosince retired. But Tony Bennett and Kelvin
Samson and of course Kyle Smith.I love Tony when he did our school
and it was fantastic what he got. I don't see it. I didn't
see Virginia getting in. I don'tthink you did either. Maybe for a
while. And they can't score andthey're playing in a play in game,
so that'll be fun to watch alongthe way. But Virginia was the one

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that really kind of surprised me alittle bit. Me too, And it's
because and I know, this stuffisn't a factor, so it's not a
part of the selection process, butit is a part of the sport,
and we watch it. You know, they went four and five in their
final nine games, and in theirfinal eight games they couldn't crack fifty points

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half the time. They just playedtwo overtime games in the ACC tournament,
couldn't get to sixty eight points ineither one of them. Forty five minute
games, couldn't get to sixty eightpoints. They only have two quater one
lens. The good is that theyare ten and ten in the first two
quadrants, with no losses in Quadrantthree, no losses in Quadrant four.

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So the best thing you can sayabout Virginia is that they only had three
losses outside of Quadrant one and noneoutside of the first two quadrants. They
didn't hate horrific losses, but theydidn't accomplish much. They are the lowest
rated kin Pomp team. They gotan at large bit in the entire NCAA
tournament. Like I said before,I don't want to contradict myself. I

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would have had Virginia out. Iwould have had Saint John's ahead of them.
I could understand, though, howthe committee reached the conclusion it reached,
but I think it was the wrongconclusion. I don't think it's crazy,
but I think it was wrong.Most bracketologists who missed on Sunday,
if they missed one or two oreven three, Virginia is among the most
likely ones that most people missed on. All right, let's talk about just

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some scenes before we get to somematchups. And because this is and for
people, maybe this first time youlistened to Gary and I and maybe the
first time you listened in the lastthree or four years, four years since
we've been doing this. One thingthat you've been always very consistent on when
we talk about, you know,seting issues. It's not just a team
that is seated improperly that kind ofgets the raw deal here. It's the

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team that they may face in thesecond you know, the round of thirty
two or the sweet sixteen. TheEast is a great example of that.
I know that you and Norlander wereunhappy as am I as a Cougar fan
if we get past break because theIowa State is not only a two but
also the number four to two seedalong the way. Was that the most
egregious seeding along the way or whatwas it? What did you see that
jumped out at you? Seating wise, I actually think Utah State being an

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eight seed was the most egregious seedingera. I mean, Utah State is
the outright conference champion of a sixbid league and got an eight seed.
Florida Atlantic was in an inferior league, didn't win, it didn't win its
conference tournament, had half as manyquadrant won victories, had three times as

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many quote unquote bad losses, andgot the exact same seed as Utah State.
That makes no sense. I don'teven think Dusty May would try to
tell you far In Atlantic had thekind of season that Utah State had,
but they both got the same seed. I don't know why, but at
the tip top of the sport,absolutely, how Iowa State was treated makes
no sense whatsoever, other than thecommittee just doesn't care that much about stuff

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that happens on the final week ofthe regular season, and or they value
non league strength of schedule too much. Because that's what the committee chair said
about Iowa State. Iowa State hadthe fourth best resume in the country.
Now, the top three were easyto identify, you could put them in
different orders, but the top threeof Houston, Purdue, and Yukon were

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so clearly the top three resumes inthe sport. Iowa State clearly had the
fourth best. I won't bore youwith too many numbers, but just know
that everything I'm about to tell youis true. Iowa State is the only
team in the country outside of YukonPurdue in Houston to have at least in
quadrant onon wins and fewer than eighttotal losses. They have more quadrant onon

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wins than the team that got thefourth number one seed, that's North Carolina.
They have a better record inside thefirst two quadrants than North Carolina.
They are higher in the computers thenet kimpom, Quorwick than North Carolina.
And the committee chair said that thereason Iowa State didn't get the fourth number

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one seed, and the reason IowaState wasn't even the best number two seed,
but in fact the worst number twoseed is their non league strength of
schedule, which was bad. Itranked in the three hundreds. But this
is a real fundamental problem that Ihave with the committee, just a philosophical
problem. They make non league strengthto schedule a part of the selection process

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and the seeding process. If it'sgood, it helps you, If it's
bad, it hurts you. WhatI don't understand is why the committee,
over and over again stresses the importanceof your entire higher body of work and
then points to a metric that onlytakes into account part of your body of
work. And I have furthermore,I would argue, what difference does it

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make what somebody's non link strength ofschedule is when it didn't prevent them from
building an incredible resume. Where nonlink strength of schedules should come into play
is if you look at a teamthat didn't accomplish much, and then you
look at their non league strength toschedule and it's in the three hundreds,
and you say, well, youdidn't accomplish much. You probably should have
scheduled a little better. It'd havegiven you more opportunities to accomplish something,

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but you didn't. So here youare that those two things go together.
Iowa State built the fourth best resumein the country despite having a non league
strength to schedule that ranked in thethree hundreds. Why should that be held
against them? It didn't prevent themfrom doing what it is they were trying
to do. And you're ready forthis. Total strength of schedule Iowa States

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was top twenty in America, betterthan North Carolina's. So you tell me
how a committee member could reasonably lookat our Iowa State North Carolina and say,
Iowa State's got better wins, abetter resume, better computer numbers,
and a better total strength of schedule, but we're gonna put North Carolina ahead
of them in the pecking order becauseIowa State's non league strength of schedule is

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worse what It makes no sense whatsoever. Nobody can try to make it make
sense. And that's how Iowa Stateended up as the eighth team in the
pecking order, the worst number two, and to your point, Yukon,
number one overall seed, now hasto play the team with the fourth best
resume in the country in the Eliteeight. If the bracket goes as planned,

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it means that Yukon has in itsregion a team that just beat another
number one seed by a billion thispast weekend. This didn't just screw Iowa
State, it also screwed the reigningnational champions. It is Gary Parrish,
CBS Sports. The disrespect for theMountain West is interesting. Yes, they
got six teams in number six hadto win its tournament New Mexico. As

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it turns out, as an outlet, you know, they wouldn't have been
in Apparently as a outlaw, sothey had to win. But they get
six in and they have two teamsfrom the same conference playing having to play
playing games. Boise State is playinga playing game and Colorado State is playing
a play in game. There's somedisrespect right there for the Mountain West Conference.
That's the Mountain that's the Mountain WestConference. Gary Pish, This home
is on CBS Sports Network. Whatis going on here? I guess they

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don't have a subscription, is allI can come up with. The idea
that New Mexico needed to win theautomatic bid to get in seems crazy.
That Utah State would be an eightseems crazy. I mean, I think
Utah State should be a four ora five. They got an eight.

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Oise State playing in the first fourtomorrow night. That's wrong. I thought
Boise State should have been a seven. It's quite obvious what happened, and
it's that they don't take the MountainWest seriously. They looked at all these
net rankings, and they looked atall these Quadrant one wins and they concluded,
accurately or not, we think youguys are propping each other up.

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We don't think you're really six ofthe best teams in the country. We
think you are six good teams thatyou got manipulated the computers, and then
it all fed off of each otherwhen you were beating each other as always.
We'll see. But I would,you know, be hesitant to draw

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any big conclusions about what the mountWest record is going to be in this
insibly tournament, because sometimes a selffulfilling prophecy like the Committee will say,
we don't respect these teams, sowe're gonna give them these bad seats.
And then because you have the badseeds, you're playing teams better than you
otherwise should be playing. And thenyou lose and they say, see,
we told you they weren't that good. Well, if you'd have properly seated

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them, maybe they'd have won theirfirst round game as opposed to lost their
first round game. But either way, that's a nuanced opinion that one ain't
gonna play well on Twitter. Eitherthe Mountain West will win games, improve
the Committee wrong, or they willlose games improve the Committee right, and
there won't be much much room forconversation in between those two things. One
final thing before we get to thegames, Gary, this is a perfect

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thing. Sixty eight slash sixty fourteams. I don't know when I see
the numbers at fifty almost sixty millionpeople filled out brackets a year ago.
When I see the numbers of thebillions of dollars that people will, you
know, invest will use the terms. I sit here in a sportsbook today
in March madness. When I seethe TV numbers, when I know that
there are it's sixteen billion dollars worthof man time lost companies across the United

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States of America over the next fourdays. This is perfect. Tell me
they're not going to expand it.Tell me it's gonna stay this way.
Oh no, They're definitely gonna expandit. And it is definitely not going
to stay this way. And theyare. And what just happened on selection
Sunday, by the way, givesthem the amo that they want to do

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it. What they're gonna say whenGreg Sankee or the Big ten commissioner stands
up and they announced that they're doingthis, they'll say, well, remember
when all of you guys were screamingthat Seaton Hall should be in and Saint
John's should be in and Indiana Stateshould be in. Well that's all we're
doing. Hey, we're just thatyou guys said you wanted them in the
tournament. Well, now we're creatingroom for them. What's the problem.

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Well, the problem is that youwill continue to devalue the regular season.
I don't think it'll be the deathof college basketball to expand the INCA Tournament,
if only because we've expanded everything NFLplayoffs, college football playoffs, Major
League Baseball playoffs, the World Cup. Everything is expanded and we still watch
it all. So I don't thinkit'll be the death. But I do

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agree with you it's unnecessary. Wecan do it and it'll be fine,
but it'll be worse and it'll takeaway from the regular season. We don't
need to expand the tournament, butthey will do it, and they'll do
it for the same reason they've doneeverything else. Every answer is the same.
I can ask you any number ofquestions, the answer is always the

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same. Why Why is UCLA andUSC about to be in the Big ten?
Money? Money? Money? Whyis the College Football Playoff already trying
to expand from twelve to fourteen money? Why will the NCAA Tournament at some
point expand once again? Money?Every decision is motivated by money, and

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that's why if you're expecting this thingor hoping that it stays the same,
you're probably running counter to reality becausethere's more money in more NC DOUBLEA tournament
games. And as long as thenetwork I work for or some other network
is willing to pay for it,then they'll they'll figure out a way to
create those those those revenue creating properties. I don't see. If I don't

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see a suitcase behind you, you'reat home. So stay right with me.
We're gonna come back at the topof the hour at two o'clock with
more of Gary Pish. I promisewe'll get it as a fake tase,
we'll get into Gunzaga, Wazoo andthe regions, including the ever so tough
East region that's coming up. Garystick around, right, yeah, yeah,
Gary Parrish. All right, we'llget back to Gary in the second.
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have you already fill out your bracket? I was really one of those guys.
I was doing it as Gary wastalking. So we have one more

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segment of it. I've done abouthalf it, but I have a few
questions. So I want to hearwhat he says at the two o'clock hour.
So if you have, if youare one of those people that has
waited, now's the time to tunein and listen to what he has to
say. Yeah, well, checkin with Gary at two o'clock. I
am one of those guys. Iwait till I wait till Wednesday night.
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should know about in terms of Marchmadness. Now, we were talking earlier
right about about which where the upsetsare? Right, Okay, now the
first round, and you mentioned whatdid you say? I I was I
was asking like, how how manyupsets in the first round? But then

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like later in the tournament it dwindlesoff if I'm correct? Right, So
here's this the you mentioned we're talkingabout the seeds. Thirty eight percent of
the eleven six matchups, there's aupset quote unquote first round thirty eight percent,
thirty four percent, twelve five,twenty one percent, thirteen to four.

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Okay, all right, so youcan go through there in the second
round. This is what's this is? Now, Well, listen to what
Gary has to say in a secondOn average, a number one seed in
the second round has lost about onceevery other year. Wow. Remember that,
on average, a number one seedhas lost about once every other year
in the second round. Team seededseven or ten have upset a number two

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seed forty six times in the lastthirty eight tournaments. Mike Kugs, by
the way, are a seventh seed. I always stayed a ten seed.
Remember that. All right, Sohistory tells you you should probably pick at
least one number two seed to losein the second round. Now, maybe

(36:06):
Gary will give us a little hintscoming up in the next segment. Now,
the perfect brackets we'll get to later, but I'll just touch on this.
Before the twenty nineteen NCAA tournament,the longest streak of correct picks we
had seen in the March Madness wasthirty nine games. That record was broken.
Nick was just telling us about theperfect bracket. Maybe we're trending towards

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a perfect bracket somewhere. We mightbe trending towards that. We'll talk about
how hard that could be a littlebit later on as well. Next,
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to some games. Let's just startthe regions and listen. You can go
to cbsports dot com. Those allthe guys Gary Norland or all those dudes
have their their brackets up. Youcan look at their picks. I want.
We're not gonna go game by game, but we'll go general. The
East is the is the toughest bracket, is it not? I think so,
And it shouldn't be because the Eastis where the number one overall seed

(39:45):
lies. But you know, youstart looking at the brackets in terms of
the quality at the top, andwe've already talked about the number two seed
in the East is an Iowa Stateteam that probably should have been a one
seed. The number three seed inthe East is an Illinois team that just

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won the Big Ten tournament that youknow has an All American level guy in
Terrence Shannon, and you know isoperating at a high level. The number
four seed in in in the Eastis an Auburn team that I believe is
ranked hop five at Kenpom right now. So I still think Yukon's just so
much better than everybody else in theEast that I'm gonna take Yukon to get

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to the final four. But thecommittee did not do them any favors.
They made this. I actually thinkPurdues got the easiest region. Yukon's got
the most difficult. But it isimportant to remember, and I fall victim
to this every year myself, Likewe always look at these things and we
go, man, that's going tobe a difficult road, or that's gonna
be an easy road, and younever really know what the road is actually

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gonna be. I mean, FloridaAtlantics road to the Sweet sixteen looked very
difficult last year because in theory theywere gonna have to play Perdue in the
second round. Well, they endedup playing fairly Dickinson in the second round
because Perdue got upset, suddenly theyhad an easy path to the Sweet sixteenth.
So as always, you know,we'll see the path make it look

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the easiest because they're so good.Gary. Let's let's talk Washing State Drake.
Now, the NCAA itself, ontheir website defines an upset as five
seed lines or more so, aten to seven upset would not be what
they would consider an upset. Elevensix would be, I guess, but
everyone loves Drake. Everyone loves themselvesand Drake. Can I be upset as
a Wazoo fan that my team notonly is a seven seed and they needed

(41:36):
to be better down the stretch.I get that, but they've got they
can't play in Spokane yet they're playinga ten seed that's playing in the equivalent
of Spokane for their campus just acouple hours away. What's what's going on
here? Yeah, it's once.Once you get out of that top four
seed range, then you don't get, for the most part, geographical preference

(41:59):
anymore. Like the Yukons and theHoustons and the Purdues, they can name
where they want to go. LikePurdue has known for a while exactly what
its path is going to be tothe final four. So is Yukon.
So has Houston. Like if youwere a Houston fan, you could have
booked rooms in Memphis a month agoand been reasonably sure you were opening the

(42:19):
Incublay tournament in Memphis. So thehighest seeds get priority. Everybody else just
sort of falls in line. Okay, give me the matchup everyone. Like
I said, Drake is a popularpick to knock off Washington State. I
looked at them. They've got aterrific score, They've got a big man
that is not a shot blocker,but they don't have a lot of size.
After that, Wazu's long, butMiles Rice can't hit a shot.

(42:43):
He's old for his last thirty orsomething like that. Three that's a concern.
How do you see this matchup?Well, this is like on paper,
one of those where if you're looking, this is what happens when I
think a bracket comes out. Peoplego ahead and they go, kay,
Yukon's awesome. So I'm gonna pencilthem through. And they go, oh,
man, Houston, they're great.I'm gonna pencil them through. And

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you look up and you go,god, I'm just picking favorites. I
need to pick some double digit seedsto advance. So then you go,
okay, where can I find one? And Drake Washington State? How about
this? I think most of thepeople, because you may be right,
most people might be picking Drake.I have no idea, but let's just
for the sake of the conversation saythat they are. Most people picking Drake
don't know anything about Drake, andthey don't know anything about Washington. To

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say, what they know is Igotta pick a upset somewhere, and perhaps
this is a place to do itbecause Drake is actually favored in the game.
Now, I believe Washington State's hiringkN Palm and most of the computers.
But Drake is actually a favorite inthe betting market. But if you
start seeing things like pop up onyou know, true TV or TNT or

(43:49):
wherever these games are gonna be played, that says like seventy four percent of
tickets at the MGM or at FanDuelor for Drake. I guarantee you that's
got just as much to do withYou got to pick up sets somewhere.
You want to pick mid major somewhere, and you might as well pick the
mid major that won twenty eight gamesagainst the power conference school? But like,

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do I know their coach? DoI know their players? Are they
really that good? This is perfectfor people to pencil and Drake into the
round of thirty two. I wouldn'tput much stock into it. I imagine
it'll be a competitive basketball game thatcould go either way. And oh,
I always stayed awaits the winner ofthat game, and that's no fun.
Again, a very team very closeto campus. Who are the dangerous teams

(44:35):
for Yukon in that bracket? Ialways state we've talked about a little bit
Illinois. You mentioned Auburn. Isthat a dangerous team. Yes, just
because the computers are really high onAuburn, and those efficiency numbers are super
strong with Auburn, Like, theydon't have a great resume if you look
at it, they don't have,you know, the Quadrant one wins that

(44:55):
even say a Washington State has,But the efficiency numbers have been off the
charts all season. And when youlook at a team like that, you
just never know when they're gonna popoff on you and you look up and
it's like, oh, Wow,that was the best offensive performance I've seen
the season, or wow, thatwas the best defensive Just don't be I

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guess confused by Auburn's lack of bigwins, because the efficiency numbers suggests this
is one of the best teams inthe country. So I would think like
Iowa State, obviously, when youcan do what it just did to Houston,
you're an obstacle in front of Yukon. But a team like Illinois that's

(45:37):
got Marcus Damask, Terrence Shannon anda great coach in Brad Underwood, that
would be scary for me if I'mYukon. And then yeah, I think
Auburn just because again the computer numbershave been strong with them. They've got
a terrific front court player in JenniBroom. Bruce Pearl has one big games
obviously, and keep an eye onFAU in the round of thirty t if

(46:00):
bart Atlanta gets there. I knowthat team's been up and down and a
little bit of a disappointment relative topreseason expectations, but they still made the
in CAA Tournament safely. They doown a win over Arizona, so they've
beaten a team that a lot ofpeople thought would be a one seed as
recently as a week ago, andoutright Pack twelve champion. FAU is still

(46:21):
capable. I think you can probablybeat them by double digits if they play,
but they're capable of putting a scareinto them. I think Gary Parrish
cbspource dot com, It'scrow to theSouth. Kelvin Samson, our buddy,
Kelvin Samson. By the way,if Wazoo wins a Drake game, feel
free to call yourself a cougar too. I know you want to be a
boiler and an aggy. You feelfree. We'll take you on board,
all right, buddy, we gotyou. Okay, I need I need
something. My Memphis Tigers aren't doingso well. I need something you jump

(46:45):
on board. Uh listen, Jamalshd LJ crier for Houston. Kelvin Sampson's
team. Somehow they got beat sixtynine forty one by Iowa State. Do
we put a sock in that?Or is that the team that certainly should
be a heavy favorite with Marquette thenumber two coming out of the mouth.
I think Houston is the favorite toget to the final four. In fact,

(47:06):
I know Houston is the favorite.I don't take too much away from
what happened against Iowa State, butI don't dismiss it either. And perhaps
it says more about Iowa State thanit says about Houston. But I didn't
expect anybody to ever do that toa Houston team that had been operating at
an extremely high level, outright BigTwelve champions. I do have it Marquette
and Houston in the Elite eight.I think Tyler Kohlik coming back for Marquette.

(47:30):
You know, if he never getshurt, they might be. They
might have been rather in the oneseed conversation. You know, he was
the twenty twenty three Big East Playerof the Year. Been dealing with an
oblique injury, missed some games atthe end of the regular season, missed
the Big East Tournament. But Italked to shot and Smart on Sunday.
He says, Tyler Kohlick is nowpain free and ready to go. So

(47:51):
I've got Marquette Houston in the eliteeighth. That game could go either way,
but ultimately, I think Houston's justbeen so good. I'm gonna trust
him to get to get to Arizona, who's also dangerous. I know you've
liked Kentucky this year. They're thethree seed. They would have probably Texas
Tech or ACC champs NC State inthe next round. Duke's kind of been
up and down this season. IsKentucky a dangerous team that comes out of

(48:13):
there two? Yes, like everybody. By definition, if you're a one
seed, you got to have athree seed in your bracket. But among
the three seeds, the one Iwould have rather just not been with me
is Kentucky. And it's not becauseI'm scared of like what we typically get
from Kentucky. There's a reason they'rea three seed, and I think probably
a little overseeded at three. Iwould have had them closer to a four,

(48:36):
maybe even a five. They've beenreally uneven for much of the season.
They've been terrible defensively with few exceptions, but that offense is explosive,
and they have more NBA players thananybody. They've got a more talented roster
than anybody. And so what wouldscare me is if I'm Houston or marking

(48:58):
At or anybody else in region,it's like, Okay, we're better than
them, We've been better than them, but they do have better players than
us. And you just never knowwhen Kentucky's gonna go out and put one
hundred and ten on you. Likethat's the thing. Like you could look
up find yourself in the middle ofa game with Kentucky and you're like,
geez, they've got Reach Shepherd andRob Dillingham on the court. Both those

(49:21):
guys are going to be picked inthe top five of the next draft.
They're cooking, And they just scoredsixty one on us in the first twenty
minutes. Now what that's the scarything about Kentucky. They won't normally do
that, but they're always capable ofjust busting out on you and just scoring
one hundred and four and you don'teven know what happened, and that's what

(49:42):
makes them scary, because if Kentuckystarts clicking on offense, it becomes just
hard to keep up because they're sofast, and they're so good, and
they are athletically and they're just they'remore talented than you, and they got
more good players than you. They'regoing to beat you. From a depth
perspective as well. They've lost ninetimes. I'm not trying to make them

(50:04):
out like they're the Boston Celtics,but when they play well, they're good
enough to beat anybody in the country. And that's exactly the type of team
you don't want to play in theINCIDENTBLA tournament as a one seed. As
a one seed, you want tolook up every game until you get to
the final four, at least theElite eight, and say, we're better
than this team, and if weplay well, we will win. And
if we play well, it doesn'tmatter how they play, we will win.

(50:27):
That's what you want to be ableto tell yourself. And with Kentucky,
you just can't say that because ifthey play well, they might beat
you even if you play well.And you've said this often this year as
we moved to the Midwest region.Purdue is probably going to say that now
they're going to be a team thatpeople will pick against because of their past
history too, of the last threeyears and what's happened with them. But
Purdue the number one seed in theMidwest. Number two seed is Tennessee.

(50:50):
Land mines in there could probably includeI mean, Kansas is four players deep,
so I'm not sure if they're aland mine or not. I look
at Purdue and say, at leastin the lead eight, they might have
the easiest path. I think so. But you know, if Kevin McCuller
and Hunter Dickinson are both healthy andit's still Bill's self over there, there's
nothing easy about that. That wouldalways be scary running into Bill's self with

(51:14):
a healthy roster, even if itis not loaded with a strong bench,
Bill's self with five good starters.How about this, I'll just quote Bill.
This is what Bill said two weeksago. If you tell me I've
got a healthy starting lineup, Ican go. I'll go play anybody.
I just don't know what if I'mgonna ever have one again this season.
I agree with him. I don'tknow if he's ever gonna be healthy enough

(51:36):
again. This season to win anational championship. But that team, if
healthy, is good enough to doit. And if they are sitting there,
you know, it's just a fourseat in your bracket. That's a
little scary, but ultimately I thinkdude gets out of there. Creighton could
be an obstacle Cannessee with Dalton Connectjust like Matt Painter has some not so

(52:00):
NCAA tournament history, so does RickBarnes at Tennessee. But Dalton Connect is
the type of guy who can overcomea lot of that just because he's the
type of guy. You know,the NCAA tournament so often is dictated by
perimet or oriented players who you justneed them to take over a game.
Hey we're down one with six toplay, go win this for us.
And like Kimba Walker could do thatonce upon a time at Yukon, Schebaz

(52:22):
Napier did it at Yukon. Thelist is long. Dalton Connect is is
somebody who could do that in thisNCAA tournament, and he is perhaps the
best equipped player to do that inthis Intuba tournament. Zach Dy's the best
player in college basketball, but youhave to get the ball to Zach Edy.
Whereas Dalton Connect can can control thegame, you know, down the

(52:45):
stretch of regulation. He's done itso far this season, multiple times,
incredibly. Well, I don't thinkTennessee gets to its first Final Four in
school history, but they could andif they do, it'll be because of
Dawnton Connect. And before we moveto the West and wrap things up,
just one thing in the Midwest GonzagaMcNee State. There's a little fun storyline
there is there not between the twocoaches. Tell people what that is.

(53:06):
Yeah, Well, obviously Will Wadewas like the face of the wiretap FBI
scandal because he was caught on awire tap talking about a strong ass offer
he made to people connected to arecruit. And it's funny. I was
talking to Matt Norlander earlier, mycolleague at CBS Sports, and he said
he was talking to Will Wade earliertoday because Norlander does a thing every year

(53:30):
where he gets all sixty eight collegebasketball coaches in the NCAA Tournament and ask
them for their favorite you know,musical artist or band. So it's a
lot of Bruce Springsteen, and you'llget a Prince or a Michael Jackson or
a j V or a whatever.But so he's talking to Will Wade,

(53:51):
this is Norlander's story and he says, all right, what are you going
with? And will Wade said earthWind and Fire And Norlander said, oh
wow, that's also Bill's cells favoritefavorite artist, earth Wind and Fire.
And Will said, well, Iguess uh, I guess we got more
than one thing in common because theywere both called on wire taps. So
at least we'll can joke about ita little bit, laugh about it a

(54:14):
little bit. But obviously Mark Fewis somebody who was outspoken about the issues
within the sport, and for lackof a better word, the cheaters getting
away with it for the most part. I mean, Will Wade is coaching
in the twenty twenty four NCAA tournament, So yeah, there's I'm sure they'll
shake hands and smile at each other, but both of those guys have probably

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said some things about each other that, you know, whispers that they they
they that the other guy wouldn't findso favorable. So if you're looking for
a storyline, there there is onethat exists. Sure, Gary Parrishbsports will
wrapping up the West North Carolina isthe one seed. Number two seed is
Arizona, boy with two teams thatjust feel like kind of up and down
throughout the season. And North Carolina, though, has they got some dudes

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that have played in this thing beforeand has success in this thing before.
Harmando Baycott's been in school for fifteenyears. I think he's not gonna leave.
And then, Oh, wouldn't itbe fun for Arizona to get there
because their best player was his teammatea few years ago. How do you
see the West shaking out? Ithink that's the most wide open, and
I guess it should be considering that'swhere the fourth number one seed resides.

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North Carolina Arizona in the Elite Eatewould be terrific. My bosses would love
it, not only because it's twobig brands, but because it would be
Caleb Love against his former teammates atNorth Carolina. Caleb Love, of course
played at North Carolina. He's theraining packed what player of the year been
terrific for the Wildcat So I couldsee that. In fact, that's probably

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the most likely Elite Eate matchup.I've got Baylor going to the final four
out of the West. I justthink they check every box. I mentioned
earlier that there are only five teamsin the country with at least ten quadt
one wins. It's the three obviousnumber one seeds than Iowa State, and
the fifth one is Baylor. Theyhave a little more losses than i resaves

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by the way, you have thethree seed in the West. Yes,
yeah, yeah, they have alittle. They have a few more losses
than Iowa State. That's why theyare a three seed as opposed to a
two. But Baylor, Okay,they've got experience, they're older, they've
got a national championship winning coach,and they've got at least two projected first

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round draft picks in Jacoby Walter andEve mecI. So NBA talent championship level
coach depth, experience, It doesn'tguarantee anything, but that's typically the type
of boxes that need to be checkedfor you to go on a magical run,
for you to win a national championship. I think Baylor would be the

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biggest underdog by far if we actuallygot my final four of Purdue, Houston,
Yukon in Baylor. But I thinkBaylor on any given day could play
with any of those teams. Theydon't have the same body of work,
but they could play with them onany day. If we get that failure
Yukon Ordue Houston final four, that'dbe a pretty fun way to wrap up

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this What's been a fun season.Before I let you go, what's your
advice when people sitting now? Myadvice is go to cbsports dot com.
Go check out when you guys allhave filled out what what Because this is
the time of the year everybody comesto Gary Parrish does the top twenty five
and one your resumes. It's basedon resumes, not just the eye test.
What do you tell people when they'repicking an upset looking to pick somebody?
Is there somebody that's that we haven'tdiscussed. It's a wild card.

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What's your advice to people when they'refilling out their brackets at cbsports dot com.
Well, if you want to beserious about it, look for teams
that are under seeded relative to thecomputers. So Saint Mary's might be an
example of that. Right, SaintMary's I believe is a five seed.
But Saint Mary's, if you goback to when they took their second quadrant
three loss, I believe it wastwo days before Christmas and the just run

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the data from say Christmas Eve throughtoday, Saint Mary's is a top ten
team in the country from an efficiencyperspective. So there's a team that should
maybe be a two or three seedthat is actually a five. Look for
stuff like that where teams are underseated relative to what the predictive metrics say
that they should be, and thenbeyond that. Honestly throw darts. Because

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here's the problem I run into whenfilling out a bracket. It is hard
for me to logically come to termswith the idea of I've been looking at
this sport every day for four plusmonths, and now I have two teams
in front of me. One ofthem is BYU and the other one is

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Decane. BYU has been better thanDecaane all year long. Why would I
pick Decane over BYU. It wouldn'tmake any sense for me to do that.
I've been watching both these teams allyear long. I've been ranking BYU
much of this season. There's nota single computer, not a single data
point, not a single thing thatsays it actually makes sense to pick BYU

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over Decaye, So why would Ido that? So I would pick BYU,
and then the tournament starts and Decaywins. By forty. I mean,
it's just like you don't. Andthat's so the issue I run into
every year is I pick what Iactually think should happen, which means a
lot of favorites. So then youget all the upsets and people go,
hey, I thought you were anexpert. Look at your bracket. It's

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garbage all right. On the offchance that the favorites actually win and my
bracket looks good, then you knowwhat people say, Oh, sure,
congratulations, expert, you just pickedall the favorites. I could do that.
So I'm in a no win situationevery single year. But just honestly,
when you hear things like people lettheir kids pick their favorite mascots,

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you don't want to get too outof whack with like a one versus sixteen,
two, fifteen, three, fourteen. But anything within those confines kind
of up in the air. Andyou know, the reason this is March
madness, the reason people love thisevent. There's a lot of reasons,
but among them is if you thinkyou you can look at this and intelligently

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break it down and predict how it'sgonna go, you just haven't studied the
history of it at all, becauseit almost never and I mean never goes
the way it's supposed to go.All right, I thank you. We
kept you for a long time,but this is our biggest show of the
year. With you and all ofyou and everything that you do. We
appreciate it big thanks to Nolave Brewing. Look for your local grocery stores here
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round Friday and Sunday, make sureyou stop by Noelai. It's awesome over
there. Gary. Where can wefind you? How many more podcasts do
we have this week? And when'sTV start for? Yeah, I'm so
tired of podcast We got one moreepisode of the Ion College Basketball podcast.
We're gonna do it live tomorrow morning, I believe at nine a m.
Eastern. That's on Wednesday morning.Then I will catch a flight to New

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York and I'll be back on stillin studio thursdayday, Friday, Saturday,
Sunday. I know folks are watchingthe games live. I will be too.
I would never tell you to dootherwise. But when the games are
all over at the end of thenight, and if you're looking for a
recap show, we will have recapshows that run roughly from one am Eastern
till two am Eastern Thursday night,Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night,

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and I'll be a part of thosein New York CBS Sports Network.
So after all the games are over, flip over and then check us out
if you got a minute. Youguys do a great job with it.
That's aid must watch. You justrecorded for the next morning if you need
to, if it's too late foryou, but listen, great work.
We'll look forward to watching on TV. I really appreciate all our listeners out
here, appreciate carbon Now time we'lltalk Tuesday as we head into the sweet
sixteen. My friend, Thank you. Yeah, wait, I'll talk to

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you next week.