Furness Show 4-23: NFL Draft Preview with Greg Cosell and Hugh Millen!

Ian hosts a special NFL Draft Preview on the eve of the big day! Greg Cosell and Hugh Millen give you all the insight you can possibly get as we look ahead to the next Seahawks class.

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Speaker 1 (01:18):
The eve but the NFL Draft, and we are connecting
you with the brightest football mines in the country, Hugh
Millan and Greg Cosel. We go inside the hash marks
and straight to the film brought to you by Seattle
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Greg Cosel, here's Ian all right.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Here we go a very special as promised edition of
the Greg Cosell segment brought to you by Seattle Cider
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Guava Cder. Will tell you more about that in a second.
But I said a special episode. We did this in
the fall. I mentioned it the other day about three
weeks ago. Greg and I just kind of off the cuffs, Hey,

(02:00):
what about doing a pre draft off season Greg co
Sell with Hugh Millen segment? Greg said, what did you say? Greg?
You were less and enthused about it? But you know
what the heck.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Now, no chance at all? Come on, you forced me
to do it.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Here he is, Hugh Millan, Greg Coastell, Hugh, how are you,
my friend?

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I'm doing great, and it's great to be with Greg.
Greg and I have known each other a long time,
and as I've told you Ian on the year, you know,
Greg is is probably, and I would say, without exception,
the only guy that I have ever been around that
knows football to the level of coaches who did not

(02:45):
play or coach. I mean, he has an exceedingly high
knowledge of football. And so I love my rap sessions
with him. And and we first met Greg in the
bowels of of was it ESPN or what? But was
Merril Hadge and Ron Jaworski and.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
We were probably NFL films, Yeah, it was NFL.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
NFL films. We must have watched like four or five
hours of film that first day, and I said, okay, uh,
GC knows the stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
So that's a slow day for me. Four or five hours,
you know.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Well yeah, right, right right, you're just getting started. You're
just having breakfast after four or five hours exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I love it. All right, Well, let's do this and
I look like we did in the fall. I'm gonna
kind of I'll get out of the way a lot,
but I'll tee some topics up here there and jump
in with need be. And Greg suggested this, and I
think it's a good idea good place to start, Hugh,
and I'll you will let you start, then you can
toss it to Greg. Let's start first with Seattle off season,
their biggest move they made moving on from Geno Smith

(03:46):
adding Sam Darnald with the now and the other second
biggest one or right with it hand in hand, the
Clinton Kubiak offense as opposed to Ryan Grubbs. So in
our Kubiak and Donald out our grub and Gino Smith. Q.
Go ahead and kind of summarize your thoughts on that.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, well, I'm curious for Greg's just view from afar
the trade for Geno to Sam Darnold. But I look
at Greg and I say, okay, Yet Gino Smith. His
first year in twenty twenty two as the starter for
the Seahawks, his QBR was seventh. The second year it

(04:27):
was fourteenth, the third year it was twenty first. Now
I mentioned QBR because I've run correlation statistics off dozens
and dozens scores of stats, and there's an exceedingly high
correlation up over seven hundred if you know, correlation statistics

(04:47):
ian in terms of the win So QBR is very important,
and just the decline in the QBR an aging quarterback.
We've seen him three years, he's twenty seven and twenty
twenty three as a starter and for Seattle, and and

(05:12):
so I just look at an aging guy. We kind
of know what we get with him. Sam Donald may
be a one hit wonder and it doesn't work, but
I think there's a higher upside with Sam Donald Greg
than with Gino. I think we kind of know what
we have with Gino.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, boy boy, you're starting with the probability and statistics.
I took that class as a freshman in college and
I was lucky to pass. And and now I don't
know what to do. I'm gonna look at it a
little more. I think you from a football perspective and
try to tie it into Clint Kubiak. You as well
as I know what his background is, we know his

(05:49):
his family background, we know where he's been in the league,
and he is a guy that believes in the zone
run game as a foundation. He likes his quarterback under
center as opposed to the gun. Obviously you're always in
the gun, and you know third and longer, long yarded
situations and what I'm saying, nothing's one hundred percent, as
you know in the league. But he has a certain
foundational approach to offense and he really likes as a

(06:12):
foundation the play action pass game under center. And when
that trade was made, one of the first things I
thought of, because I studied this all during the NFL season,
when I look at quarterbacks is I look at the
play action pass game, both from the shotgun and from
under center. And last year, the quarterback that had the
most play action passes from under center, which would probably

(06:32):
surprise no one who covers the league and studies the league,
was Jared Goff and they did that exceptionally well. The
second quarterback with the most play action dropbacks under center
was Sam Darnold and Donald was really really good in
the play action pass game under center, and as you know,
you that really defines the reds and the throws for
a quarterback. You're not asking the quarterback to have to

(06:55):
go through a full progression read where he's looking at
the whole field. And I think that there's sense that
the way Donald played and certainly played last year as
a starter under Kevin O'Connell really fits what Clint Kubiak
wants to do far more than Gino Smith.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, and I think there's some numbers, Greg to support that. Okay,
So the following is going to be under center, under
center only. The under center percentage of the plays Gino
was twenty ninth in the league, Donald third, completion percentage
GINO twentieth, Donald seventh. Passing touchdowns GINO sixteenth, Donald first.

(07:33):
This is all again under center. Passing yards GINO twenty first,
Donald second, passer rating which has a high correlation to winning.
Also passer rating GINO sixteenth under center, Sam Donald number one,
and a couple more play action, Greg, like what you're
talking about. The yards per attempt Gino was thirty fourth,

(07:54):
Sam Donald fifth. If you go play action under center,
GINO was twenty seventh. These are yards per tempt. Gino's
twenty seventh, Sam Donald's second in the league, and so
there's numbers to support that. And so really what we
have is we have Clint Kubiak coming in from New
Orleans and he's gonna install that outside zone scheme. But

(08:17):
the running game works better under center. And then, of
course it's the National Football League. It's twenty six, it's
not the nineteen sixties. You're still gonna have to throw
the football. So you get under center, you run the
wide zone. We'll talk about that. But then the play action,
the comfort, the idea that Sam Donald can get under center,

(08:39):
fake that stretch, turn his back to the defense, and
then turn around and locate. He's done it a lot
the frequency, and he's done it successfully at least of late,
certainly with Minnesota last year.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, and you know that you played the position. You
that's a learned trait. You know, people just assume quarterbacks,
let's say quarterbacks coming into the league from college that
are always in the gun, they just assume you could
put them under center. That's not so easy. If you've
never turned your back to the defense. You know, when
you turn your back to the defense. That's a whole
different deal than when you can see the defense the

(09:14):
entire time. And I've always believed that under center play
action is more troublesome for the defense, particularly for those
second level defenders that have both a run and a
pass responsibility within the context of a defense, because now
it's longer to get to the mesh point, and they're
in conflict longer, whereas when it's shotgun, it happens right

(09:35):
away and there's less time for them to be under conflict.
I mean, I remember having this conversation a number of
years ago with Kyle Shanahan talking about the under center
play action game, and because he was so big about
putting defenders in conflict, and I think that's what you're
trying to do. You're trying to slow down their reaction time,
make them hesitate, because you know in this league, you

(09:56):
you hesitate for a millimeter of a second, and that
can be enough for a play to be successful. Look
what you were in Dallas, right with Troy and and
you were in Dallas then, right, yep, yep, I mean
that under center you know run game, you know that
was and then the play action pass game off that
that's really hard to defend.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah, and that that that Cowboy team. Their number one
running play was called the ISO. Uh so yeah, Moose
Johnson as the full back and then ISO's of course
short for isolation, So Moose Johnson would have the middle linebacker.
Now Emmett, it's it's like a slight little lead draw.
So Troy would would would it would? He'd so like

(10:35):
pop up like it's the first half a second his pass.
Then he'd fake the the lead to Emmett on the
ISO and then he rise up this. Let's let's talk
about how uh Clint kobi act the teams that run
the wide zone because Alvin Kamara was number four in
the NFL UH in terms of propensity to run the

(10:56):
wide zone and they run it a lot out of
two tight ends the Saints last year. Now, there was
injuries for the Saints receivers, so it may have impacted,
but the percentage of plays where there are two or
more tight ends on the field for the Saints, again
with Clint Kubiak, while the Seahawks were twenty fourth in

(11:17):
that regard, the Saints were number one, So we're gonna
see a big difference. And the Seahawks. The flip side
you would expect to be true, and it is. Seattle
was number was third in the league in the percentage
of times where there's three or more receivers, where the
Saints were thirty first, second to the bottom. So we're
going to see a difference in personnel groupings if that holds,

(11:41):
and that'll affect maybe some draft thoughts. We're gonna talk
about the tight end in this discussion and whether Seattle
is in the hunt for a tight end. But let's
just focus on the teams. Greg You've studied a lot
of teams that really feature the wide zone, the stretch play.
What are characteristics and attributes and difficulties you see and
how people around the league discussed that difficulties defending that stretch.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, it's funny. As you were talking and it just
popped into my head. I thought of Peyton Manning with
those fakes and the wide zone to Edgar and James,
and how long that took and how defined that was,
and how defensive players had to wait and see what happened.
And all of a sudden, you get second level defenders
that are stuck at the line of scrimmage and you're

(12:25):
able then to work the intermediate routes. And by the way,
Sam Donald, who was outstanding a year ago with throws
twenty or more yards from the line of scrimmage, I
believe he completed something like fifty seven percent of those passes,
which is a ridiculous number. By contrast, Patrick Mahomes completed
twenty six percent of those passes twenty yards in the

(12:47):
air from the line of scrimmage. Donald was outstanding. And
what it does, as you know, not only can it
be problematic in the run game because of the way
the defense has to play. You get the defense moving laterally,
and that's what you want, want those defensive linemen moving laterally.
But the other thing the wide zone does from a
pass protection standpoint is it gets d lineman, as I said,

(13:08):
moving laterally, so they are not moving vertically attacking the quarterback. Yes,
so you get an extra second or so, which is
an eternity in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
That is all the difference in the world. Greg Crosel
with us and Greg some numbers about the big play.
So the air yards twenty more yards passer rating. Sam
Darnald at one hundred and seventeen passer rating number one
in the NFL ye air yards twenty five. This is
from the line of scrimmage, and the passer rating for

(13:40):
Donald was one hundred and twenty six. That was first
in the NFL as well. So a lot of numbers
showing up there. But to your point, if you're going
play action and you're faking and inside, like I talked
about the ISO, the defensive linemen are coming straight ahead
more or less. I mean, there's a lot of nuance

(14:01):
to it. But I'm just speaking in general terms. When
you fake that stretch and this and the stretch play, uh,
it's as let's say we're gonna line up and we're
gonna go run stretch left, Sam Donald's under center, We're going, Uh,
the tight end is outside of of Charles Cross, the
left tackle, the aiming point for the running back. We

(14:23):
got Kenneth Walker in the backfield. Sam Donald's under center,
We're gonna go fake stretch left. Now, if we were
gonna give the ball to k nine, he would make
his decision where to go, excuse me, by his third step,
and the cut would happen on his fifth step. If
he was gonna go north, the decision by the third step,

(14:43):
the cut by the fifth step, but we're gonna fake
it to him now, and then again his aiming point
is all the way out to the tight end. Now
that those defensive linemen and the linebackers they have to
flow laterally. So now Sam Donald, he sticks ball out there,
but then at the last second he pulls it back
in and he rises up and he's ready to throw.

(15:06):
And we've already talked about is his numbers of being
feeling comfortable thrown over the middle man. We've got an
opportunity with this. Just this scheme has helped a poor
offensive line. It helps them because Greg, as you just
described the front seven, both the defensive line level and

(15:30):
the linebacker level, they have had to flow laterally first
before they start to try and get to the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, and that's critical because as I said, all you
need is that extra second. And I think the other
part of this and you you would be able to
explain this better than I. You know, the play action
pass game in particular is not one of those where
you're asking the quarterback to be a full field reader
and work through the entire secondary. And Darnold throughout the
earlier part of his career certainly had some issues in

(15:58):
that regard. But when you do play action like that,
it defines the reads more cleanly for the quarterback. He
does not have to go through an entire process. It's
usually you're reading one guy, maybe two at most, and
again depending on the concept of the play call and
how you teach it. But it also really helps the
quarterback in terms of clarity.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yeah, and and in that oftentimes you you're you're trying
to take it when you're trying to take a shot play.
We've been discussing Sam Darnold's stats from a year ago
and all these big plays and his efficiency under center
and in play action. But oftentimes you'll get like a
flood concept to the side, so you have a deep

(16:40):
deep takeoff of some sort of deep route to clear
out the most deep deep you know, the corner, generally
the corner, and then you'll have some type of sale
route or intermediate crossing route, and then you have a flat.
So it's a it's a it's a layered read deep, intermediate,
and short to one side of the field, sometimes over

(17:01):
the middle, but you kind of get those vertical spacing
and it can be hard to turn your back to
the defense and then locate the appropriate defenders and the
idea that Sam Donald has done it. There's no question
in my mind that that was a big factor for
John Schneider Mike McDonald when they tried to say, Okay,
we're gonna move on from Gino. The guy that we

(17:24):
need to get is Sam Donald, and it's going to
fit with what we're trying to do in the running game.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, no, there's no question that I think that. You know, again,
there's obviously the age factor, of the money factor. There's
many factors involved, but and I don't know all of
that stuff in detail. That's not my area, but I
think from a football standpoint, it made perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Let me let me jump in real quick, Hum Millen,
Greg Coselle brought to by sales Hider. First of all,
that might be the best explanation in sixteen minutes of
the new offense with Klint Kubiak and how Donald fits
that I've heard anywhere anytime, and I'm not surprised. That's
why we're having you guys on today the minds of
mill and co Seller here. So so just up, We've
got abount two minutes here to wrap up this segment.

(18:06):
What I'm hearing is as you describe that offense, Hugh
and then Greg jump in. Sam Darnold is the fit,
like he's a better fit than Gino Smith would have
been for Clint Kubiak. Is that am I right in
that regard? Well, it certainly is a better fit.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
When you say, okay, we don't have a good offensive line,
and obviously they're not gonna just say we'll get to
that in a second. Yeah, their hands up. We're not
gonna try and improve our offensive line, but we're gonna
go to the outside zone. And that is going to
be a play that if that is the most versatile
run play in football in my opinion, because you have
an aiming point to the outside, but and may bounce outside.

(18:45):
You're reading that block of the tight end. If the
tight end hooks him, then you then canine he takes
it all the way to the sideline. If he doesn't
hook him, then the read goes into the next guy,
the defensive tackle, and then you say, okay, did we
hook the defensive tackle. So the running back just he
just goes down the line and it can hit anywhere.
It can go wide, it can go uh in the

(19:07):
C gap, it can go B gap, and it can
cut back to the a gap. You could literally say, Okay,
the only play we're gonna run for this game is
wide zone. And it wouldn't be the smartest thing to do,
but you could function that way. That's the point I'm
trying to make.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Greg.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
You know you could function if all you did is
call outside zone, because sometimes it'll look like an inside play.
Sometimes it will look like a cutback play. You have
the the the keepers away from it. And so these
things are going to help the offensive line as opposed
to just saying, okay, do you have the billy to

(19:45):
mall guys and move them? Well, Seattle hasn't been real
good at that for the for several years.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
And Greg, Yeah, just a very quick comment. You know,
I think it also requires offensive linemen with some athleticism
and movement, and that's an aarity we can discuss further.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, and Greg, but Greg, just to wrap up, you
like Donald in this offense better than Geno? Correct?

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I do?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yes, Okay, we'll take a quick break. We'll come back.
Personnel on the draft Eve is what we need to
talk about next with this new offense. We'll do that
with Greg co Seal, Hugh Mellon on ninety three point
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Speaker 1 (20:20):
You're listening to the NFL Draft Eve Special with Hugh
Millan and Greg Cosal, brought to you by Seattle Cider
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Now here's Ian Furness.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, we're back with Hugh millon Greig co sll Man.
Am I thrilled to have this? This is the best
radio is less Ian radio. I can tell you that
right now. And that's we're gonna keep doing this. All right,
let's get to the personnel offensive line. I'll get to
you in a second, because I want to start with
the tight ends. Will you guys just described with this
Kubiak offense and the need for tight ends. Greg said
last week when we had them on or two weeks ago,

(20:55):
there's a couple what Warren and two or so like
three tight end ones after out the drop off is
a little bit in terms of the NFL draft. Am
I right?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Greg?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
In that regard, it's kind of like tight end one,
three or four of them.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Are as what's in this draft class? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I mean well, I mean there's different kinds of tight ends.
There's always different kinds of tight ends. There's some that
are athletic and arm very good blockers. There's some that
are you know, good blockers and maybe not as good receivers.
So you know, they have to decide what they're looking
for within the context of this offense and how they
see it, which also ties into what their wide receiver

(21:29):
corps is.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, let's go and here. You can take that anywhere
you want. But I know you've been very outspoken about
the need for a better or more tight ends in
this offense.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Right, Yeah, I think I don't know Greg in looking
at Noah Fan, you know, seven and a half million,
that's the twelfth rated guy. For what it's worth. The
Pro Football Focus receiving grade on him was twenty eight.
The run blocking grade was eightieth. Let me focus on
him as a receiver. In my pinion, I'll just give

(22:01):
an example when you when you have a y option
and I played with eight Pro Bowl tight ends. That's
that's the thing about Greg being a journeyman. You know,
you know, you you get exposed to a lot of
guys in Shannon Sharp, Jay Novchak, you know, uh, there's
there's Keith Jackson. I mean guys that that as I said,
eight Pro Bowlers. And one of the things I don't

(22:22):
like about Noah Fan when he runs an option route.
I coached high school football youth in high school football
for twenty four seasons. I call him bubble rop stompers.
You know, when you have a three year old kid,
you know who if you put some bubble wrap on
the kitchen floor and he wants to stomp him and
pop up, you know, and to just stomp on him.
When when Noah Fan comes up to run an option

(22:44):
route instead, he's got his momentum going up the field,
He's there's a certain stride length. You know. Obviously, the
faster you go the law, your straw stride length is longer.
But as you go up at that five, six seven
yard area, you want to keep that stride length, the
momentum that you have, the inertia that you have up
the field. You want to speed cut that inside or

(23:05):
outside to some degree. Yeah, you may break down a little,
but you don't want to get some momentum going up
and then after six yards come to a near stop
because then when you turn, the defender is just gloving
you right up. It's just a terrible technique and it's
just that's how he runs these routes. And it's not

(23:25):
just the option route, it's just I think it's awful technique.
It doesn't get separation, and it's reflected in the relatively
meager numbers that we see from him.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Well, it's funny because I remember when he came out
of Iowa and the claim to fame with Noah Fan
was that he was a vertical dimension because he could
run well. I think he ran a good forty time
and he was a good athlete. He hasn't really played
that way in the NFL, and I think that's been
the biggest issue for him is that he came out
of Iowa as a certain kind of tight end, as

(23:56):
a tight end that had vertical ability that would be
a three level to mention, and it just hasn't quite worked.
So at this point in time, since he's been in
the league, what good seven years, give or take. He's
been around for a while now, I believe yeah, you
know so, I think at this point what he is
in the league is what he is in the league,
and he hasn't really given you exactly I think what

(24:17):
you hope based on what the sense was when he
came out of College.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
So Barner and and Uh and Noah Fan those two guys,
because I think that that's all they have. Brady Campbell,
I don't think Hugh and ju agree doesn't really count
right now. He's a special teams guy, right.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, he made he's a fullback occasionally.
No he hasn't. He didn't show us anything last year
when there were opportunities.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Okay, So so Hugh, what is the need a tight
end in this draft for Seattle?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
I think it's pretty high. I don't think particularly we
discussed the percentages. I think you're going to see more
two tight ends in the in the UH, in the
formation for Seattle, just based on what we saw from
New Orleans. And again I say with the asterisk that
that that may have been influenced by injuries at the

(25:06):
wide receiver position for the Saints. But but Greg, you
nailed it when you talked about and his attributes. If
you said a highlight tape of Seattle there there, it's
where he shows the speed corner routes. I can remember
against Detroit on a naked where he Gino just dropped
it right in the bucket, deep down the field. So
occasionally you've seen that, But the NFL game for a

(25:29):
tight end more often is inside of ten yards, and
his technique inside of ten yards is faulted. But I
think let's talk about two tight ends in the draft.
Greg Tywarren unlikely to be there for Seattle right the
Great Penn State. You know, some people compare him to Kittle.
I see more of a Gronkowski. But but a guy
that really could be there is Colston Loveland and Mike

(25:54):
McDonald had that year at Michigan. There's a Michigan connection
with Mike McDonald. What's your thought about Colson level in
the player and Colson level in the fit and if
Seattle were to take him at eighteen, your reaction would
be what.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
I think, it would be really positive. I mean, you're
dealing with a guy. Look, he's probably more receiver than blocker,
but in the Michigan offense, he has to block, and
he was more of an angle leverage blocker where the
foundational nature of the block was not necessarily base in
drive blocks. But he gave excellent effort. I thought he

(26:34):
understood his landmarks, he had good hand placement. He can block,
But you're dealing with a guy that is really a receiver.
He's a big wide receiver. He's effortless in his movement.
He is definitely a three level dimension. You watch his
tape and I watched him in twenty twenty three last summer.
I watched him this year obviously. I mean, he's got

(26:56):
the size, length, quickness, flexibilities, speed profile. It presents as
a tight end one. I mean, he's he's a really
really good prospect. He's probably he's not quite at this level,
but stylistically, he's more like a brock Bowers. That's what
he is stylistically in the fact that he can really
move and run any route you want, and he just

(27:18):
looks like a big wide receiver. I'm glad you mentioned that.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
And as you're talking, I'm thinking to myself, this is
not going to be very good because everything Greg is
saying is exactly what I would say now. But regarding
brock Bowers, brock Bowers was six three and Loveland is
closer to the six six, and you see the arms
and and so that that plays out on tape the

(27:43):
other part, and and you did mention it, but the
one concern I would have when you see his lower body,
I don't see the frame. I went back and watched
Travis Kelcey tape from Cincinnati when he came out of college.
Because I'm sitting there going wow, as a receiver, this
guy is Travis Kelsey is. But then I looked at Cincinnati.

(28:05):
I mean, Kelsey was two fifty five in college and
and so level. And I think is I've seen reports
of two forty. Somebody else said to forty eight. I
think to forty eight to the combine. Okay, that's a
good sign. That's that's closer than the two forty. But
you still look at his body just judging it, it's
a little lean. I'd like to see a little more,

(28:26):
you know, just more in the pants. But but that
point notwithstanding, and by the way, if you can run
the stretch, that's an important block at the point of
attack on trying to get the edge, trying to hook
the edge. But he has the athleticism at any event.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I'd be okay with that. You you'd be okay with that,
Like Greg greg S has he be okay?

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I would? I would, And Greg and I are on
the thirty third team, and and Mike gettings Greg. You know,
now he's a guy that has been advising the NFL
teams for decades and and Greg, you know, Mike is
always saying the correlation for what really helps young quarterbacks
is an elite tight end. Like there's some real strong

(29:06):
numbers through the years. And so I think now Sam Darnold,
is he a young quarterback, that depends on he's young
compared to Gino Smith twenty seven years old. I think
I think a really good tight end helps anybody because
wide receivers tend to be out out you know, obviously
on the perimeter, but those those throws over the middle

(29:29):
where where a receiver is not getting jammed up and
flippers by linebackers knocking them off their course, you need
that size. And having a guy, as Greg said, such
an elite receiver tight end position, I think he's worth eighteen.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Okay, perfect good place. That's a good jumping off point
because both you guys also mentioned the other element to this,
and that'd be the wide receivers as it relates to
the draft on Thursday, and we'll talk about that in
the next segment. Hugh Mill and Greg Cosel Next ninety
three point three KJFM. You're listening to the NFL's Draft
Eve special with Hugh Millan and Greg Cosel, brought to

(30:06):
you by Seattle Cider Company on Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ R FM. Now here's Ian Furness. All right,
we're back here we are Hugh Millan, Greg Cosel. This
is the Great Cosell segment with Hugh Millon. We did
this in the fall. It's awesome to have these guys again.
Let's wrap up the offense with this. On Draft Eve,
we've talked Sam Darnold Kubiak offense, the need for the

(30:29):
tight ends, DK Tyler out in comes Cooper Cup, Marcus
Valdez Scantling. If you want to throw a River Craycraft
in there for the fifty five, fifty fifth or fifty
six the slot receiver, they can have him as well.
Greg start with you need for a wide receiver for
this offense in addition to what they have with Cupp
and Marcus Valdez Scantling. Of course, Jackson Smith and Jigba.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
I mean I think there's a clear need. I think
the fact that they signed Cup and they have Smith
Nijiga tells me that you're going to see a lot
of formation variation, a lot of reduced splits, a lot
of motion, which is now in the league more than
ever before, and I think teams that don't do motion
are not doing it the right way. That you'd love

(31:14):
to have a true outside receiver that you feel can
win one on one. Valdez Scandaling is a specific kind
of player. He's never been a volume target. He can run,
so you'd love to have a guy you feel can
be more of a volume target and work effectively outside
the numbers. But with Kup and Smithnijigba, who both work
well in more reduced splits, I think you're going to

(31:37):
see a lot more of as I said, motion, reduce splits, stacks, bunches,
things that take advantage of what Kup and Smith Nijigba
do really really well.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
You know, I want to pick up on Marcus Valdez
scanling Greg because I agree with your statement that he
can run, but I would add I don't think he
can run like he used to. I think there's a reason.
I think there's a reason that he was on the street.
He signs with the Bills for two million to two
point two million, which isn't much right, he's playing with

(32:11):
the MVP of the league. I remember the first game
that the Bills played Arizona, studied the tape, and they
get they get a quarters beater. They got him on
a post, Valdez scanling against a corner. He's opened by
only about a yard and and uh, Josh Allen throws
this post and he and Scanley just couldn't get there.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Then he goes three weeks, doesn't catch a pass, he's
on the street for a week, signs minimum salary for
the Saints. And then when I watch him on his tape,
I see Greg a big guy, and you know he
has the X you know, the split in profile, the
outside receiver profile. But I'm looking at his stride length.
It's like his hips are tight or something. Yeah, like

(32:55):
like for a guy his his height, he should be
his his strides should be longer. So I don't see
the separation that he once had. That's maybe a reason
why Kansas City got rid of him. But I'm reluctant
to expect a lot out of Valdez Scanlet. Okay, so
you agree, Les, Let's let's talk quickly about Cooper Cup.

(33:19):
You know, he was six in the league and percentages
in the slot Jackson Smith and Jiggle was first, So
the need for an outside receiver. What what's your perspective
of the view from from AFAR about Seattle needing to
have a wide receiver and whether or not that need
pushes you up into consideration in the first round at eighteen.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, I think every team, ideally, and you know this,
you every time, ideally would love to have that X receiver,
that boundary X, the player you can line up to
the short side of the field, on the back side
of trips, who can win one on one as an
outside receiver because you normally get the way defenses have
now evolved, you normally get one on one or man

(34:02):
to man coverage on the outside versus that boundary X receiver.
Every offense would like to have that guy who can
win right now on the roster. They do not have
that guy. So that's why I think there's a clear
need for that. But I still think that you'll see
a lot of creativity in terms of formational looks, in
terms of what they do with motion concepts. Who knows

(34:23):
what the draft is going to bring in terms of
that specific player, but we know for sure they do
not have that player on the roster. I remember talking
to a wide receiver coach at the Combine who basically
said that your offense becomes somewhat limited if you don't
have a boundary X you feel you can trust and
you can line up, So then you scheme your past

(34:45):
game to a higher degree. And that's okay. I mean,
you can still play like that, but you would love
to be able to line up with a boundary X
and know that you could throw them the football.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
And it seems like the only guy that kind of
fits that profile that in terms of umber one consideration
at eighteen is Tech McMillan out of Arizona. Kind of
a Drake London type, maybe a Mike Evans type. Real
tall at about six', four you, know he fits a
lot OF x. Profile maybe he doesn't have the outright
blazing speed at a little over four. Five But i'm

(35:17):
gonna ask you the same QUESTION i asked About Portland.
Loveland So seattle Takes tech McMillan at. Eighteen you, react
is that how do you feel about them filling in
need and whether or not that was an appropriate use
of the eighteen.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Spot, well Maybe i'm in THE, minoriu BUT i like
him more than. OTHERS i, think like you Mentioned Drake.
London you, know as soon AS i watched, HIM i
thought that was the easy comparison because of the, size
the hands and the body. CONTROL i think he's more
Than Drake. London in, FACT i talked to a coach
about that and he agreed with me THAT i think

(35:51):
he's more than. That, Now i'm not going to sit
here and be ridiculous and make a comparison To Justin, jefferson,
who along With Chase Jamar, chase we're talking about the
two best receivers in the. League BUT i think if you,
know drew a line and put a line right in the,
middle he would fall more on The jefferson side than
The london. Side and, AGAIN i don't want people listening

(36:12):
to think that this is a direct. Comparison it is.
Not Justin jefferson is just out of this. World BUT
i think that McMillan has a lot more to him
than just a big possession. Receiver and one of the
THINGS i loved about his tape was his ability to
make a seamless transition from receiver to run after, catch
and he was far more elusive and deceptive with his

(36:35):
movement with the ball in his hands than just a
big possession. Receiver SO i really liked his tape a lot.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
And ian one thing that really impressed. Me you, Know Drake.
London the, Comparison greg AND i both agree it's an
easy Comp Drake london was a big time basketball, player
even AT usc, right, Yep so This tep McMillan is
like an elite volleyball. Player AND i but as A seattle,
GUY i would have scoffed at. That BUT i had

(37:03):
a house In Huntington beach WHEN i was in The. Rams,
like there's some dudes like. That It's, olympic have a
whole new respect for men's, volleyball whether it's on the
beats or on the. Court and you just see that
there's there's a there's a hand eye awareness that that
is so natural To ted McMillan and how he could

(37:23):
use his, body, Right, GREG i, mean do you see
the volleyball skills in? Him because it's the, ball it's
so second nature for him to attack the football, man
he's got ball, Skills.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
YEAH i, MEAN i think his his the foundation of
his game is his. Hands he's got a really wide catching.
Radius he's got a really long wingspan for a wide.
Receiver and the body control to contort his body anyway
necessary to make tough contested, catches both in the middle
of the field and along the. Sideline BUT i just

(37:55):
thought that he was a little more athletic then then
he might be given credit for because when you see
six four two nineteen and the fact that you know
he didn't run, Great although that that ALWAYS i don't.
Know for, ME i don't know exactly what that. MEANS
i think back To DeAndre hopkins running a four or five.
Seven Michael, thomas who for three years was a great

(38:16):
BOUNDARY x and he ran a four or five. EIGHT
i believe you. KNOW i think sometimes you know that
forty times people get worked up about it because you,
know that's that's what everybody seems to get excited. About
But i'm not sure exactly what that means when it comes,
to you, know being able to run routes and being
able to be deceptive with the ball in your.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Hands all, right we'll do. This we have to take
a quick. Break i'll come. Back he, guys got one
more segment in because we haven't hit the offensive line,
yet AND i don't, Know, hugh LAST i checked the
offensive line might be a position of. Need my Friend
Gray cosel told me a couple three weeks ago WHEN
i asked them about the, returners he was less than
enthusiastic about them taking that next. Step so we'll do

(38:56):
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Speaker 4 (39:52):
Care, no BUT i?

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Okay thank.

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Speaker 1 (40:13):
Cosell it's The eve but THE Nfl, draft and we
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Speaker 2 (40:33):
Ian all, right one more. SEGMENT i Promise i'll let
you guys go after, This Hugh millen And Greg. Cosell,
WELL i have a feeling IF i put these guys
in a room together and they didn't have another appointment or, Time,
greg how long could you guys just talk football like?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Hours probably for a long, TIME i.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Would think, SO i would, think, so all, right we've
kind of covered a lot of stuff in the. OFFENSE
i do want to touch it on the defense before we,
go but let's just finish off the, offense BECAUSE i
think that's the position of need we saw the improvement might.
Be donald's defense had as a season on last season
and Resigned Ernest jones in free Agency DeMarcus, lawrence which
we can touch on if we need. TO i think
corner might still be a position in. Need but let's
wrap up with the offensive. Line i'm going to pose

(41:12):
the same question FOR i did a few weeks, Ago
greg to you. Again i'll Let hugh react to. It kubiak,
Offense we're going to assume That cross And lucas are both.
Healthy in, fact this is probably the first time in
forever That Abe lucas has been. Healthy Charles cross coming
in healthy as. Well tackles are both, young guys going
into their fourth year in THE, nfl the interior of the. Line,

(41:34):
old It's timm at center the, Guards, Haynes bradford if
you want to throw him in, There La, maya those,
guys and Even sundell who really didn't play much at
all last, Season, greg is there anything that tells you
that these guys can take that step forward in that wide,
zone those, stretches everything we're talking about in that first
segment an hour. Ago is there anything tells you that
those guys can take the next? Step or are those

(41:56):
three positions center in the guards a big position of
need here on Draft?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
EVE i mean in an ideal, World, IAN i would
say that those three positions would would be an area
you want to get better at BECAUSE i think you
need more, athleticism better movement from that position to have
this offense be as effective as it needs to. Be so,
again you may not be able to deal with all
of that in one, year BUT i would, think you,

(42:21):
know based on you, know those are three GUYS i
studied coming. Out they're all young. Players you, Know bradford
is a specific kind of. Player he's not really an
outside zone. Guy although a teamy is to. ME i
remember watching him In. MICHIGAN i even watched him At
virginia the year. Before to, me he's very much kind
of an in the, box can find space. Center lumeya

(42:44):
might be a guy that you could live with because
he was a tackle At. Utah but you, KNOW i
think that that, overall the interior three you'd like to
be better and more conducive to what this offense needs to.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Be you, Know, greg if you look At John's snyder's
career With seattle fifteen. Years the first seven years they
won nine playoff, games the last eight years they've won.
One in the drafts twenty ten to twenty, twelve they
had Eight Pro bowl players since the nineteen ninety four

(43:18):
when they went to seven. Rounds there's only been four
teams that have had eight or More pro bowlers in
a three year. Span So schneider has a front, loaded
really impressive. Resume but here here's something about the offensive.
Line if you go to The Fitzgerald spielberger chart that
replaced The Jimmy johnson draft value, chart over the last fifteen,

(43:41):
years The seahawks have spent more draft capital on the
offensive lineman than any other. Team Number, one same. Thing
with The harvard, Study seattle has the number one capital
on offensive, line and Yet Pro Football focus over fifteen,
years the average great of the offensive line is twenty

(44:02):
five point one the ranking with first obviously being, best
twenty five point one over fifteen, years that's the worst.
Ranking so to, summarize you could say The seahawks have
tried the hardest in the last fifteen yard years and
performed the worst on the offensive. Line so how do
we feel If, seattle if The, seahawks this is the

(44:24):
same group that has has been really kind of with
and on a lot of draft. Picks, yeah if If
seattle were to take a pick at, Eighteen i'm gonna
throw maybe like A Gray zabel at you or maybe
you have somebody else in mind that guard is a
major position in. Need seattle spent the seventeenth pick On

(44:45):
Steve hutchinson when they didn't really have a huge need a.
Guard nobody regretted that because hutches In. Canton but so
let's talk about but let's talk about just do you
do you feel comfortab if you're A seahawk fan with
this brain trust taking with the eighteenth pick an offensive,
lineman be It zabel or anybody else. Where are you on, that.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
WELL i think it's a position of need for. Sure
it's not a sexy pick as far as, fans you,
KNOW i think a lot of it comes down to
how you evaluate players, who let's, say were tackles in.
College there's a lot of people who Believe Kelvin banks
From texas is better served being a guard in THE,
nfl and he's an athletic, player so he theoretically fits
this kind of. SCHEME i really Like Donovan, jackson the

(45:32):
guard From Ohio state who actually had to step outside
and play tackle for about the last two thirds of
the season this year and held his. Own but he's
really a, guard AND i personally think he's a ten
year pro as a starting guard and probably can start
from day. One so you, Know Tyler, booker to, me
does not necessarily fit as much AS i like, HIM
i don't know if he fits the outside zone. SCHEME

(45:55):
i think he's more of that confined space power guard
that would fit better if you're more of a gap
scheme duo type. Team But i'm not sure he fits
an outside z own. Team BUT i think it's a
clearly position of. Need you and it needs to be
addressed somewhere along the. Line as you, know you can't
do everything in one. Year we're just speaking more generally.

(46:16):
Now that to my way of, thinking it's a position
that needs to be.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Upgraded Gret co sell with, this and As, ian let's
go get back to his question about anybody on the,
roster because there's one guy THAT i kind of want
to take another look at, it and It's Christian, haynes
who was drafted third round out Of connecticut and they

(46:40):
ran the wide zone scheme. There one of the knocks
a year ago was that he didn't have enough, Power
but if you look at his athletic rating relative to other.
GUARDS i don't have the numbers in front of, him
but he was in the eighty eighty fifth percent island
forty yard, dash in the twenty yards, settle et. Cetera

(47:02):
those type of. Things so maybe he has the athleticism
to hook players the way you need to in that outside.
Zone so maybe he would be the one. Guy what
do you remember A Christian Haynes and is there a
possibility that he has a?

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Breakpap, Yeah AND i think that power is there's two
different kinds of powers you, know the power when you're
when you're really just coming off the ball with base
and drive blocks or if it's gap, scheme you, know
those kinds of. Runs that's a different kind of power
than the sort of athletic explosiveness kind of power that's
involved in movement. BLOCKS i think he can do, that

(47:37):
so BECAUSE i liked him coming out Of, connecticut but
obviously he didn't fit what they did a year ago very.
Well so NOW i think he gets another. Opportunity he
may well win a job here as a starting guard
because AS i, said you're not necessarily going to fix
all three positions in one. Year so you, Know, HAINES
i think will get an opportunity to play and he

(47:58):
could end up being a starting. Guard all.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Right it's a great Cosel Hugh, millen brought to you
By Seattle. Sider we spent a lot of time on the,
offense But, HUGH i think he probably, WELL i got
a quarterback, here but, no we. Got BUT i think
we all agree that's where they need to help with
the three interior, lineman wide, receiver especially BOUNDARY. X as
you guys have talked about tight, end there's no doubt
that about that as, well so we'll expect him fully

(48:21):
to take a running back in the with the eighteenth
picker early in the second round On day. Two all,
right let's go to the other side of the ball
And i'll just kind of make this a blank. Slate
i'll set the table with this offseason for the for the,
defense they re Signed Jaron. REID i, think just having
covered the, team especially with almost every year he's been,
HERE i think there's more To Jaron reid than the
Football hughes talked about a, lot and it is a

(48:43):
true nose, tackle probably not, know but there's. More he's
he's the alpha in that room THAT i Think mike McDonald,
wants and so they resigned. Him Ernest jones obviously the big.
Resigning the middle linebacker they picked up last year to
pair with probably Ty Rees knight at the linebacker And
Marcus lawrence From dallas brought in as. Well on the defensive.

(49:04):
Line as far as the, needs probably still, detackles maybe
an edge rusher along the, way depending what we think
Of hall And mafe and is nwos who's gonna even
be there at the start of the, season maybe, Not
and then the cornerback position is probably one two that
we can. LOOK i think safety's. Okay they Got kobe
and they and they're okay back there with the development

(49:25):
Of bryant last season and as. Well BUT i Think
Josh Joe Reek, wollen we know What witherspoon's all. About
Trey brown is. Gone sohugh will leave it to you
to start off the needs and your thoughts on the.
Defense you can tee Up greg from.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
There, yeah, WELL i think defensive and you know one edge.
Rusher you know that that's kind of Like greg the
middle of a lineup in. Baseball you, KNOW i looked
At DeMarcus. LAWRENCE a lot of his tape is three
sacks he fell into. Him he one one was way
up the field and the other two he was hanging
out by the line of. Scrimmage it was it was

(49:58):
late in the down where quarterbacks and into. Him So i'm,
so you, Know i'm a little, optimistic But i'm not
spending a lot of hope. There uh so edge rusher for.
Me and then the other QUESTION i would have about
the Defense mike. McDonald you know he Had Kyle hamilton
who just do everything. Safety, now, Yes ian Mentions Kobe.

(50:19):
Bryant but is there a guy in the draft That
and one of the attributes About Kyle hamilton is he's
about six to. Four he can he can lock up
on tight. Ends he has the length to cover tight
ends in addition to a lot of other things. There
SO i wouldn't be surprised if if McDonald surprised us

(50:41):
with a safety in The hamilton. MODE i wouldn't be
surprised if if McDonald surprised us if if if he, Says,
OKAY i Like Tyree's, knight but here's an elite off
the ball, linebacker BECAUSE i think that's that's Where mike
McDonald wants to, live is in those. Positions. Uh and
then of COURSE i think that the they need an
edge rush sure if one comes. Available what's your thoughts

(51:02):
on those positions or any other positions on the?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Defense, YEAH i mean if you look at the safety,
position to, me that just speaks to Nick Eman laurie
From South, carolina who's six three eight two hundred and twenty.
Pounds his athletic testing is off the. Charts he ran
a four to three to. Eight his tape reflects all of.
THAT i personally like him as the best safety prospect

(51:25):
in this. Draft if you're looking at a, linebacker a
linebacker who's big and can, run do you Have Jehad
campbell From alabama who fits that mold. Exactly now he's
not an overly physical player at this, point but he's.
Young people might not know he actually went To alabama
as a edge pass, rusher but they Had Dallas turner
and they Had Will, anderson so he was moved to.

(51:46):
Stackbacker so he's still learning the. Position so the sense
of stack and, shed of taking on blocks and being
able to, control engage and. Displace he's not quite there
yet with that element of the stacked linebacker. Position but
he's six' three close to twoint forty and he. Can
run he's a. Terrific athlete you can do a lot
of different things. With him the adders class is interesting

(52:09):
you because there's a lot of players who are. Very athletic,
you know you look at the way they move, really
good but they don't necessarily know how to rush.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
The.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Quarterback yet you see that a lot. In college you
See Guys schamar Stewart FROM texas A and m is
probably the best example. Of that he's an athletic freak
and someone will draft him, relatively high but you're going
to have to teach him how to rush. The, quarterback
now some think rushing the quarterback is an innate trade
that some guys just have a feel for and other.

(52:39):
Guys DON'T although i do Remember When DeMarcus ware was
in our broadcast boot CAMP and i had a chance
to really spend time and talk, to him and he
talked about rushing the quarterback like this was a, PhD
class so. You can you can teach guys how to do.
Certain things whether they, do them. Who knows but you
know there's a number of guys in. THIS class, I

(52:59):
mean i Personally Think mike Green And nick scoward and
two wage rushers are probably the most advanced in terms,
of technique, hand usage just diverse ways of attacking and
offensive tackle and rushing. The quarterback but there's other guys
who would be considered more purely athletic than.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Those.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Two Yeah, Mike, green uh he Played, at marshall but
he had a he had a nice Sack Against ohio
state and he, had yeah and he had A Good senior.
Bowl Week, samar stewart would it concern you that the
guy never had a sack in any season in the
last seven games of. THE year, i mean it's crazy

(53:39):
that a guy who just doesn't have the production is
talked about as a possible even front half of the the.
FIRST round, I mean i, get it, the uh the
the testing and and the athleticism, is there, but uh
it's a it's a crazy business when you when you
look and, You, say okay one and a half sack

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for an, entire season none in the last seven games for.
ANY year i. Don't know, IT'S oh, i agree and
it makes, draft, Interesting, right.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah no that's what. It does but then when you
just watch, him move he's a freak so you just
wonder what the. Disconnect is and you know how, coaches
are they always think they can make it work because
the guy's a. Freakish athlete but what really struck me about,
HIM is i forget what postseason bowl game he, was
at Either The east west Or The. Senior ball he
weighed to, eighty one and two weeks later At the

(54:31):
combine he weighed two. Sixty seven that really struck me, As.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Interesting well in what way.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Fourteen pounds in. Two weeks obviously someone told him he
needed to. Lose weight for. The combine BUT that's I
wish i could lose fourteen pounds in two, weeks here.
You know but, you know that just struck me. As
odd but if you just put on, the tape the
way he moves for that size is. Really remarkable but
he just doesn't really know how to rush the quarterback
at this point in. His career but he's a. Young

(54:58):
player let.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Me just before we run out, of time de tackle,
and again the way they run. Their defense, YOU know
i think a LOT of us neo fights, think of,
you know defensive lineman as edge rushers and the two
d tackles in. The middle we don't have time to
get into the schemes. And stuff but just in terms
of the big guys in, The Middle JAREN reid i
mentioned they re. Signed him They've Got cam young who's

(55:22):
been here for, a while hasn't really produced much, of
anything never really. Been Healthy bredan peelee he's a guy
they just signed, OFF of i think off of a.
Practice squad he was a practice Squad Guy byron, Murphy Obviously,
leonard williams big, Cat There, mike morris. Et cetera he
what need do they have in the middle of that
defensive line in, your, MIND.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Well i would say probably just kind. Of, depth, okay
okay you got to feel like there's some something in
your football team that's a position, of STRENGTH and i
would have to think that where they are and Having Drafted,
byron Murphy, BIG cat i think you're in a pretty.
Good situation i'd be surprised if they spend any draft

(56:06):
Capital in day one. Or two, and, remember now in
my mind this is related to. Your Question. Clint kubiak when,
he signed there's a. Big, discussion hey, you know he
thought he was GONNA Have. Dk metcalf they drafted a
first rounder last two the last, three years it's been a.

(56:27):
Defensive player three of the, last five it's been a.
Defensive player you Brought In. Clint kubiak it was kind
of like bait. And, switch wait what who's my? Ex
Now and i'm not saying that means that you GET,
an x but it just greg feels to me like
like an offensive guy is gonna win all tops in

(56:47):
terms of most of. The capital and they've got a lot,
of capital, you know five picks in the top, eighty
TWO but i would think the majority of that is
going to go to the offensive side of, the ball
and if they're a dressed, defensive tackle it's going to
be in later rounds.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
For Depth, so greg would you think That, for seattle,
you know especially first round and maybe early? Day Two
what hughes saying that offense needs more help than, the
defense is that safe?

Speaker 6 (57:12):
To?

Speaker 3 (57:12):
SAY yes i still think the defense can. BE good,
i mean we know there's a couple of, question MARKS
but i think the defense. IS solid i think the
offense is where it's a brand, new offense totally different kind.
Of scheme it needs different kinds of players to. BE
successful i think you need to go in.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
That direction, All, right, WELL listen i kept you, guys
FOREVER and I know i COULD just i could throw
out eighteen. MORE topics i didn't. WANT to. I didn't
we don't have time to get into huge Thoughts on
Shude or sanders And. Cam, ward yeah can you give me?
Twenty seconds there, They're there, They're, There, greg man this

(57:50):
is so. Much fun and, YOU know i Was, telling
hugh HE and i were talking last NIGHT and i
was just telling us selling. JESTS too, i said, you
know we YOU know i First Met greg cosell twenty
three twenty two years ago when he was doing Mornings With,
colin Coward when colin Was Doing Portland Radio Local portland
radio before we WENT, TO espn I was i'd fill
in in the MORNINGS and i did a couple, of
THINGS and, i like this great coast cell guy is.

(58:12):
REALLY good i Got, TO seattle, I said I wonderf
greg would ever be kind enough to come On in seattle,
with us and you. Have been we just started doing
the weekly stuff the day Before the fridays before games
as a kind of a, scouting report evolved into the draft.
AS well a ton. Of fun big shout out and
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And north, georgetown area go look for your local grocery
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with THIS and i really appreciate. Their Help but greg
will wrap up the draft post draft next week when
it's all said. And done in, the meantime thank you
so much for joining, us today Mister, cosel oh this.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
WAS awesome i could talk to you all, day long
any and that's.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Okay, too, WELL yeah i know you'd rather Talk to
Hugh or jess or pretty much anybody. Besides me but.
That's okay THAT'S why i have those, guys around, you
know surround yourself with good people and good. Things, happen hugh,
My man, thank. YOU buddy i. Appreciate this it's all
a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
Be with you and and it's it's great chopping it Up.
With greg he's a rock star and we've always enjoyed.
Our conversations AT least. I have i hope.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
He.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
HAS oh i.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
LOVE it i absolutely. Love it we'll probably be. Learn
it we'll probably be texting you in the next. Few
days From The Virginia Mason, Athletics center Greg the seattle
takes a d tackle in the first round and then
maybe a safety in the second round and a running back,
after that and, we'll go what the hell are they?
Doing here so, all right expect the Unexpected With, John Schneider,
Greg Cosell Hugh milling massive thanks will come back more

(59:40):
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so much fun and the feedback we got in the
fall when we had the bye week Special with hugh
And with greg and and it Was actually greg's IDEA
about i want TO say i mentioned this at the
start of the. Show today It was greg's idea back

(01:00:53):
in a few weeks ago we first started doing our.
Draft previews, he goes, YOU know i should do Something with,
millet Again and, i'm, like yeah if YOU'RE in I
know hugh will be in and we just had, you
know an hour and a Half Of radio gold with
those guys breaking. Stuff down you know how the draft,
shakes out what. Shakes out. Who knows we don't know
where it's going to go when it's all said, and

(01:01:14):
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(01:01:56):
out but if you, missed it any of the stuff
Today with hugh And, with cosell and you're a, football
fan you're going to want to listen, to that especially,
before tomorrow but. Even after it be kind of interesting
to go back and listen to how things shake out
with the. Draft, again tomorrow we're going to be At
The Virginia Mason athletic center starting at one pm in.
The afternoon be there ready to rock, and roll and
we'll be on the air until nine pm Ish. On

(01:02:18):
thursday nine, pm, ish.

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
Yeah when when the, draft concludes and you'll Hear From
john Schneider and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Mike mcyeah just for those newbies, out there it's kind
of what we do is when the draft, is over
when the rounds are Over on Thursday, and friday especially
rounds One on thursday and rounds two and Three, on
friday when, they're done what we'll do Is usually JOHN
and i keep want, To say John, And pete John.
And pete it's just, so natural. Isn't it fourteen years of.

(01:02:45):
DOING that i mean it Makes sense john and like
come out to speak to, the media which, they will
and sometimes they come out in nice timely fashion and
other times. They don't.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Just depends it does depend on when, they pick who,
they pick and the availability. They are obviously are going
to make their draft with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Everybody, beforehand Yeah since schneider's never traded up in the,
first round we would expect, at anything he'll either pick
at eighteen or. Trade down, but anyway we'll as soon
as they come out, and talk we'll make sure we
get to, those guys and then we'll sign off for,
the night and then we're back on the Year on
saturday morning at, nine Am which i'm. Excited about we've,
Done this rob RANG and i have been done that
for years. And years, nine am breakfast, with us and

(01:03:23):
we'll get you going for rounds four. Through seven we'll
recap what happened in the first two days and then
kind of take you. Through it usually we'll get through
about round five slash, SIX ish i think when it's
all said, and Done then chuck will take over. At
noon and when he, does so it'll be nice because
we'll get there and anyway. We go it's a. Busy

(01:03:43):
weekend if you're out and about driving the, kids around doing,
your thing then make sure you go check. Us out
make sure you have a pre set on the app
or listening on, the radio whatever you're going to, be
doing and we'll have you covered. All weekend you want
to know What the seahawks, are doing, what surprises if
local guys. Get taken we always keep track. Of that
we don't go pick by picking on Day three's we've
tried a couple.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Of times IT.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
Just, i Mean the seahawks tend to be pretty active on,
Day three so we'll keep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You updated with what your local team. Is, doing yeah
we'll keep updated. On them we're not going to keep
you updated on What The jacksonville jaguars are doing unless
he dropped a seahawk or a husky or a cougar
or something. Like that, all right let's get to. Some
text four nine four five one on the color text
right on the free agent the unrestricted free agent unrestricted

(01:04:28):
free agents text line, right now four nine four. Five
one let's see where was? THIS one i saw this two,
Oh six Greg and Hugh. EAR candy i. Like, IT
oh i. Like it if You're a, candy fan that
is a. Good thing you said, To me, He goes,
YOU know I could i could, do THIS like i
could Talk to greg for. LIKE hours, I go i

(01:04:50):
know the problem is we're. On radio.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
We have to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Abide, bike yeah we have commercials to hit and all.
Those things marcus on my. Way Now hope hugh doesn't
cheat me. This year, oh Oh that marcus is on
his way to, the draft the. Mock, DRAFT ooh i
might have to stop by At.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
The Queen Anne.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Beer hall what Happened? In marcus marcus text me back in?
What happened did you think you won it? Last year
and you didn't give Me the there's a lot of Pressure,
on milling, of course because he's got to pick who
the best. One is the best thing about it is
when you make your picks today and if you're listening on.
The air, TO me i think it's one of the most.
Fun shows we, DO well i say, WE like i
haven't something to do. WITH that i.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
Don't and you but collectively as, the station they play.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
It straight like it's almost like. Pro wrestling there's o.
Kafop here it's like they just are kayfab whatever they.
Call it they just go. Straight ahead they pretend like
it's it's the, real draft and if you make a,
bad pick you will tell you. Right then.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
AND there i believe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
That wholeheartedly he will. He will he will tell you
right then, and THERE which i. Completely appreciate along the
way two, oh six that was pretty awesome listen for the. Entire,
TIME yeah, I like i'm not a big guy pump
pump our own tires all. The Time but i'll tell,
you this that was a great couple hours of raating
on those.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Two guys.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
IT was, i, MEAN yeah i like seeing the response
on the text line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
We're Gonna find we're gonna TALK To pc palas a.
LITTLE tomorrow i When the seahawks pick at eighteen and assuming,
they do and then their next pick is an until
eighteen eighteenth pick on in round two on Thur, or
friday and then round they go eighteen and twenty back
to back Almost, on friday and then they take eighty
two and. Ninety two so they've got those five picks

(01:06:31):
in the first, three rounds five picks in the first.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Days Pittsburgh the pittsburgh Trade with seattle is the first
one they get on the second pick on round Two,
on friday and then obviously the the one that Went
from detroit To the Jets. To vegas regino is the round,
three pick pick number twenty eight On on Thursday or
friday as well on. Day two but they've got those.
Five picks i'm gonna Ask tomorrow lozolo because it feels

(01:06:56):
like more and more we're hearing That shaduor sanders is
not a first round pick and w. With, that yeah
that to me will be the story of the Draft
on day one if And When shoodoor sanders.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
GOES yeah i kind of feel like people are coming
to their senses.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
With.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
That, now well but there's also smoke screens and this
is the, you know it's just a. Great line it's
the great lying season is teams are floating stuff out
there to all. The insiders we like, this guy we
don't like, this guy but don't, quote me and don't
say it's, our team but you can say IT'S An
afc west team OR An nfc east team likes this
guy or doesn't like, this guy or a general manager
FROM an nfc team Says that shador is awful or

(01:07:35):
sucks or this. Or that all those things come into
play because you're trying to throw smoke screens. Up there but,
you know listening To what hughes had to Say. ABOUT
shoodoor i kind of trust his view of it more
than anybody and like just doesn't, like him Called. Him
mike it was. ALWAYS softy i think it Was when
dick was was on spring break with the Kids and
hugh had the line About About shoodoor sanders that, was

(01:07:58):
like he's like basically watching eighth grade, ground football like
just chuck, it around like just chuck, it around and
the footwork was awful and this was awful and all.
Those things what's going to be interesting if he's sitting
there At EIGHTEEN because i Don't think seattle. TAKES him
i don't know, they're stunned but there will be some,
talk about Well to seattle. Need him, you know They
got donald but they and They Got, drew locke but they.

(01:08:20):
NEED him i don't. Think so most of us don't.
Think so and again you go back the craziest thing
of all. This team twenty twelve and twenty eighteen the
only two Times That john schneider has taken. A quarterback
it's his sixteenth draft. Coming up one hundred and thirty
five draft picks since, twenty ten one hundred and thirty
Five for schneider and just the, Two quarterbacks RUSS and

(01:08:42):
Ufl Superstar. Alex magoo it's, it's remarkable like they just
have never and if they don't like, a quarterback they're
Not gonna they don't waste to pick on. A quarterback and,
you know with the defensive, head coach a guy who's
gonna value special teams coming From The john, harbaugh System in,
mike McDonald he'd much, rather, say, HEY man i don't
want to take just a waste to pick on. A

(01:09:03):
quarterback i'd rather take another linebacker or cornerback or safety
or even wide receiver that can play. Special teams i'd
rather do that one, hundred percent, you know ten times
out of ten he'd rather. Do that, so anyway we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
What happens.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Can't wait we'll be there tomorrow starting at one o'clock
In the Virginia Based. Athletic center nobody carries more draft
coverage or has more draft coverage than us here AT
kJ I heard mark. Said earlier, he's right this is
this is something we put everything into our heart. And
soul we've all been going through stuff the last. Few
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You tomorrow but once the draft. Gets going, the reaction
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(01:09:37):
to react is right HERE on kjr. As well, all
right we'll take, a break. Come back we'll head To
the Queen And beer hall and check In with Softy
And hugh millen coming.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Up next.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Just developed fourteen minutes away from the highlight every year
on this, radio station The Million mamler millan, mock draft
and we had now To The Queen Anne beer hall
and check in with. Your, host, yeah guy That Puts
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Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
To shame let me just.

Speaker 7 (01:10:11):
Explain something let me explain something to you, real quick by,
the way because this is now twenty seven years is?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
That right twenty, seven years nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Ninety, nine listen you've had all day to FIGURE out
i heard You.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
With, Chuck well I'M.

Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
Just i just want to make sure that we're right,
on that because there's a chance we could. Be wrong
there's a chance this thing may have started like in
nineteen Eighty and i'm not even aware, of it by,
The way so twenty, seven years so nineteen, ninety nine, that's,
right exactly nineteen NINETY Nine nfl draft was our first
mock draft that. We did hugh claims that we did
it back in the studio at One Ninety, Queen, ANNE
now i don't remember that. FAR back i can't remember

(01:10:43):
what THE hell i did, Last week so asking me
to do something twenty seven, years ago. Forget it but
That Was mike colemgrin's first draft as the head coach
and general manager Of, the seahawks and He Took lamar
king At A. Sagadaw state remember that with the twenty
second pick IN The. Nfl Draft tim couch went number
one To the browns. That year, Donovan, McNabb Edrin, James,

(01:11:04):
Champ Bailey, ricky williams all, Those Guys. Dante CULPEPPER so
i think some of those guys might, be dead by.
The way so that's how it's been since we've been doing, this.
Thing man so it's been, a while but we're. Fired
up we're here for the. Mock draft we got all
the general managers, Are here All of huey's buddies are
all here with chicken wing sauce on their face for crying,

(01:11:25):
out loud just looking like the pigs that. They are
so it's gonna be a fun time here At The
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Thing going have you had a smash? Burger yet, not
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Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
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events man he's a. Big deal now have you seen,
him lately by, the way what he? Looks, like yeah, that's,
yea yeah he Looks like mark McGuire's, step brother by,
the way just getting all.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Of this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
It's nice he shows up For the, husky, show RIGHT
but i don't know when the LAST time i saw him.

Speaker 7 (01:12:06):
For the show, was well he knows where is bread
Buttered pal, come on he knows who.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Spends money.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
You know how do YOU remember i was mentioned this
EARLY because i guess What listener marcus must have thought
he had a chance to win. Last year he's a.
Little bitter he's on his way there, right now but,
he says, You know millan doesn't screw me over. This
year so there's Pressure on milan to make the to
make the, final pick to say who's going to be the?
Number one like who had the? Best pick?

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Who? Wins?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Right right do you remember the worst pick he ever
saw and?

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
His, REACTION well i remember When the Bengals Took billy
price one year and he ripped. THE guy i think
the guy may have walked, into traffic by. The way
after the trap, Was over hugh just tore. Him apart
and then the next Day the bengals Actually Drafted billy
price with that same.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Exact pick do you, remember that by, the way and
what Happened To? Billy price he?

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Was terrible so ian you solve this if if we
had a guy in the mock, that, said okay he's
Got the cardinals and He Takes josh rosen with the,
tenth PICK and i rip that Pick Because josh rosen
To the cardinals is a. Rippable pick and then the
next Day the Cardinals Draft.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Josh ROSEN do i win OR do? I lose?

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
On THAT do i lose because because the guy actually
picked the team that picked up WIN because.

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
I had The, right annalys what's the name of The
Gal jess when you can help me out the name
of the gall That went man can't jump The Actress.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Rosie peretz you sound.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
LIKE champion i WON because, i loft but LOFT because
i wont like what are you?

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
TALKING about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I don't Think you're the job is not to predict
who's going to get picked, where right it's what would
be a good pick for that team and what would
be a. Good fit so your Analysis Was josh rosen
the U C l A legend i use that was
awful and he flamed out after.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
One year they got rid of him when you, were
right more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
So than the than, the listener even Though.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
The CARDINALS but.

Speaker 7 (01:13:59):
I really does bring up a, grin point what is
the point of? All this because he just said the
point is to make the best picks for the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Best TEAM but i.

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
DON'T know i always thought that we're trying to get
this as close as possible for tomorrow for the actual Draft.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
On thursday but but they are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
They if you should be picking like your gms are
supposed to be picking what makes sense for, that team right?
Right right they.

Speaker 7 (01:14:20):
Might be smarter than The, gas well hang on just,
a Second, because mitch our engineer is here and he's
A big.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Bengal.

Speaker 7 (01:14:25):
Fan right Did the bengals at the time need a
center when, they drafted, he, Says yes so the pick, made,
Sense right it was logic behind. The selection he was just.
Terrible guy lasted. Three years he went To the giant
For the cardinals in his current but he played five
years IN.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
The nfl i'll mean to get whatever For. The bengals
three If the bengals had a chance three years in the,
first round if they had to, go back and they
would take. Somebody, else oh they would take. SOMEBODY else, i.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Know you got you got a million things going on in.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Just TWENTY eighteen. Nfl Draft.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeh hugh the feedback on the hour and a Half
with greg.

Speaker 7 (01:14:56):
Was, AWESOME oh i thought that, was fantastic by, the
way really really. WELL done i heard that more of you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
ALWAYS yeah i don't.

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
Normally listen to that Much of, ian show to be
totally honest. With YOU so i thought it was really really.
Really good, that's you by, the way and that's the
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doing the whole thing with. The buttons you can't figure
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Chick check there.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
You go i'm. A rookie tell me how this is done?

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
To, you hey how. About this i've got two days
with you Tomorrow and, thursday night and by THE time
i go on with you, at seven you're gonna have
this figured Out and i'll want you sitting there with
your peanut butter and jelly covered hands With, All, Right
yes i'm gonna give you a heads that. You speak
that's all you need to. Worry about, All right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
I'm just staying clear of the. Mass potatoes here is, your.
Draft metcalf don't everybody's jubilant the mass potatoes on.

Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
The floor they're a player in this year's draft that
could make you have sex with the floor the way
you DID With.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Dk, metcalf.

Speaker 7 (01:15:50):
Yeah If travis hunter fell, to eighteen how about How About?
Tyler warren would that do it?

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
For you? At Eighteen? Tyler warren? Pretty, Close yeah i'd be. Shocked,
that okay that'd. Be cool but there's there's a special.
Place back they were called. Push, UPS okay i was.
Not humpy there will never be.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
A moment just look from a DISTANCE like i was
humping though the else do you do when you land
In animal, oh god you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Haven't even started this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Like that that was already going off. The rails that,
was epic That was and why do you get?

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
Over here because that juice just dropped off a bunch
of free pretzels and smash burgers and fries and beer
and all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
That stuff so, god like is?

Speaker 7 (01:16:26):
There beer They call faine's already, drunk man and he.
Regrets fain faine's blood alcohol level is already. Pushing five
he's only been here for. Ten, minutes skinny he is,
a guy weighs, Ten pounds he has.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
One beer get.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
An uber, oh no we're just doing some thinking about
the twenty. Seven years i'm gonna run. Three regrets we
got to go in a second by, all right so.
Make it don't follow good stuff away. And cross we're not. Doing,
that no wait for. Next segment wait for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
THAT sement i thought you guys are. Time punch you
gotta get these only got so much.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
Decent material we can't blow it here in the, crosstalk man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Give me, one regret give me one of, the three give.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Him one, go ahead that's one.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Of, Them Yeah, Aaron, donald yeah slipping right through our
like dead asleep at.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
The wheel maybe the greatest defensive tackle of. All, time,
Maybe Yeah and I'M sure i studied HIM when i.
Study everybody what was he the twelfth or?

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
Thirteenth, pick yeah to the, rams right just A flat
i wouldn't say it's a swing and.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
A miss it was just like the bat never got off.
THE shoulder i never even comprehended who.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
He was oh, My god i'm still haunted.

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
By that would have Been Like bo derek at your
front door and he just keeps me, to skip don't
even answer, the door and NOW can i? Come in
now you look at the ring and go on slipper
like you thought she delivered. A pizza and, then, yeah
yeah he was the thirteenth pick in. Twenty fourteen, oh
god who would who?

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Torments me who went in Front Of? Aaron, donald well that's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
The thing you can probably look at a lot of
guys that went in front of him at a lot of.
Regrets there, All right i'll let you. Guys, GO hughie
i will see you With the Virginia In athletics, center,
Tomorrow sir, all, right okay have a.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Great shop see see you man