March 20, 2025 • 44 mins
Dan debates the NBA MVP which looks like will come down to Nikola Jokić and Shai Gilgeious-Alexander. Senior NFL Insider Dianna Russini weighs in on the Giants' QB search, and discusses whether or not the NFL will actually ban the "tush push." Plus, former college basketball player and coach, Dan Dakich doesn't hold back on UNC's inclusion in the tournament, and shares stories about playing for the legendary Bob Knight.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Made it to a Thursday, but it's not just any
Thursday now. The tournament begins. Congratulations to Xavier, they were
down by thirteen, came back to beat Texas, and Mount
Saint Mary's beats American. Among those playing today Houston, Auburn, Tennessee,
and Saint John's. If you would have told me five
years ago, Rick Battino is going to be coaching Saint John's.
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They're going to open up the tournament in Providence, where
Rick started his career for the most part, and took
a Billy Donovan led team. Whether they go to the
Elite eight that year, I'm not even sure how far
they went. I just know they were really entertaining that year.
But Rick Bettino, it feels like Patino's an underdog, is
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a number two seat for some reason. It's like, man,
look what he's doing with Saint John's. Saint John's used
to be really good before Marvin was born, but Saint
John's has been a pleasant surprise, and they've recaptured New
York City. But they will be in Providence to open
up Houston Auburn, Tennessee as well. All right, eight seven
(01:06):
seven three DP Show operators sitting bybe We'll take your
phone calls and email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle
at DP show Seeton. What's poll question for the first
hour of this program, Paul sent this one in.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Would you rather your favorite team or school win the
NCAA tournament or would you rather win your bracket contest?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, Marvin, let me ask you. Since your team is
the two time defending champs, would you rather UKON one
again this year or you won the bracket.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Challenge UKN won again?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Okay, Paul, If you're alma mater Southern Illinois won the
national title or you won the bracket challenge, I almost
have to.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Take that out because it's so wild to even think
of them making the tournament. If I didn't have a
dog in the fight like this year, if a team
I like, now you got to take your team if
they'd never won.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It before, Todd you went to you. So there's no
chance that that would happen.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
No chance of that happening, I will.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'll take winning the bracket challenge even if somehow the
Violets got into the tournament then won it all all right,
Seaton West virgin Oh sorry, Uh, you're alma mater. If
they got into the tournament or you won the bracket challenge,
how about Seaton Hall.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm pretty good if Seaton Hall. Yeah, I would take
my team or school any day, because there really isn't
winning the bracket Challenge. It's just as much luck as
it is anything else. Two years ago, we had the
most unlikely Final four of all time and my wife
called it yeah, And I can assure you she does
not watch any any college basketball whatsoever, and she had
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it nailed. She was in like theer point five percent
of the world that had it nailed.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's hard to luck into a national championship. It's a
little easier to luck into doing well with the bracket Challenge.
In fact, I always think they the less you know,
the better you will perform in the I Could Challenge.
But our brackets are in. We're still waiting for a
couple of celebrities to get their brackets in as well.
But Fritzy, once again is the gatekeeper. Another poll question,
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what else do you have?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, we got a couple of rule changes that are
making well proposed rule changes perhaps that are making some news.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Let me hold off on that until the next segment,
so I have the full fifteen minutes or so to
be able to go over everything. And there's some proposals there,
they're just proposals. The Lions had one. They're still trying
to get rid of the brotherly shove, which I still
I'm okay with it. I just say take the guy
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behind the quarterback out of the play. That's all. So
if you want to have a push, the push comes
from your quarterback and your offensive line, not some guy
who weighs three hundred pounds behind. Jalen Hurts. And every
other team can do this. It's the ultimate football play
from the standpoint of me versus You may not like it.
(04:02):
It's predictable, but it is force against force, the immovable
object against the irresistible force. I'm okay with it. It
may not be esthetically pleasing, and we may not like
that the Eagles have mastered it. Every other team can
do the same thing. Yes see, I feel exactly the
same way.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
To me.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's like the exact, almost very definition of a football play. However,
we've had at least a coach or two on I
forget exactly who it was, who was like test not
football as rugby. We don't play rugby, we play football.
I hate that play. It's not a football play. Maybe
it's Bill Coward, it might have been, I'm not sure.
So then that made me rethink everything that I thought, like, oh,
that's not a football play.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
What Well, there are probably football plays that aren't football
plays if you're looking at a true definition here. But
it's I got the ball. I'm telling you what I'm
doing and you can't stop me.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And yes, the Eagles have mastered it. If the Bills
mastered it, they might have gone to the super Bowl.
Nobody else has mastered it. But I'm okay with that,
but they're still trying to get rid of it. Magic
Johnson was on a podcast. He's on Byron Scott's podcast,
and it's that time of the year where people are
making their decisions or giving their opinions on who should
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be winning awards in the NBA. And the hot topic
appears to be, even though I think the race is over,
is Joker versus Shay gilgis Alexander. Here's Magic Johnson on
Byron Scott's podcast.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Best Playing Basketball Right Now, and he reads situations and
defense as well, his basketball IQ is off the chart, y. Yeah,
and then he beats you because he's off rhythm. He's
not one of the best yet, but he is up there.
And the only thing he can't do like Kareem could do,
is dominate on both hims. Right, that's what was missing
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for him because he's.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Not a big shot blocker. Right, he's a little bability.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah to a certain extent. Yeah, he's the best player,
uh in the league. So that's magic on Byron Scott's
fast Break podcast and he puts it into context because
he's comparing him to one of the greatest centers, one
of the greatest players of all time in Koreem. And no,
Jokic is not a shot blocker. But here's a stat
that is rarely brought up. And to be honest, when
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you talk about players, how many MVPs were great defenders
good defenders. When's the last time somebody said, man, that's
Shay gilg is Alexander he can lock you up. I
haven't heard it, and but I don't think that should
factor in. If you're really good, your unbelievable score. I
do believe he's unstoppable, your team is playing great, he's
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going to win the MVP. There was a real push
for him last year. But here's the thing that is
not brought up. A defensive rebound. It's called a defensive rebound.
And who is third in the NBA. It's Jokic, So
he's third in rebounding and third in defensive rebounding. That's
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a defensive stat that's rarely brought up. Larry Bird and
Magic Johnson they quote unquote they played the passing lines.
I didn't mean they played defense, because you can't play
the passing lanes unless you kind of slough off your player.
I don't know if Sga is a great defender. Maybe
he is, but it feels like we're picking and choosing,
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and this came up with Joker, with Joel Embiid. Yeah,
but Joker doesn't play good defense. Defensive rebounds is still
a stat and it's rarely brought up. Larry Bird didn't
play defense. I don't know too many people back then
who go, eah, but Larry can't play defense. Okay, Magic
couldn't play defense. Kobe played defense because Michael Jordan played defense.
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I mean, how many MVPs were like Michael Jordan. They
could beat you at both ends. Of the floor. Know,
if Karl Malone was a great defender, I think he
was on the first or second team All Defensive Team.
But we do get caught up, you know, and we'll
say this about MVPs in baseball. Yeah, but he's not
a real good fielder. Okay, so we kind of pick
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and choose. You can use it against somebody, you can
use it for somebody. But with and magic putting it
in context there that he's not Kareem and how many
players are Kareem Yokich is going to be one of
the great He should probably have four MVPs and could
be on the cusp of a fifth one. I mean,
just let that sink in. That doesn't happen. But he
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is clearly the best player. That doesn't mean he's the
most valuable player. And that's why it will go to
Shay Gilgis, Alexander Junior. The third.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yes, Paul jokicch currently is the only center in the
NBA aftering more than one and a half steals per game.
And the thing about him not blocking shots blocking shots
these days people don't take it to the lane like
they used to, the challenges to the basket like he
used to there's I would bet there's so many fewer
chances to block shots in this NBA because everyone's jacking
threes that rim protectors might be the least important thing
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in the league.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, I mean you have you know, the stifled Tower.
You know, that's what he does. He plays, you know,
as a rim protector, but his role is overrated because
how much of the game is being a rim protector.
Wembn Yama is the best defensive player in the in
the game, and it's not even close. He can he
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can guard you inside outside, he can stand inside and
guards you outside. He's that great. But when it comes
to who's the best defensive player, who's won the MVP,
I mean, if you run down the list of great
defensive players, Kim Elijahwan was a spectacular defensive player. I
think he's the all time steals leader maybe is that
(09:54):
sound right? Or he's up there in that category block
shots as well, yes.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Marvin, yes, block shots?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah? What about steals for keem.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I know John Stockton's first, but I'll take a look.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Stockton put up numbers that are crazy, like
the assist total that's almost like Emmett Smith. His rushing
total it's just gonna be there. Yes, Bowie.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Hakim Olijuan is tenth all time and steals in NBA
history and he's the only person over six ten in
the top twenty.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
He's under days.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Oh best Dad of the day, Dad of the day,
Here comes that?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What what day? Brought to you by Panini America. Two
time Defensive Player of the Year for Akim olij one, Yes,
Seaton O'Connor. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
If you look at Victor wimbin Yama, he had uh,
let's see in twenty twenty three, twenty four, he had
two hundred and fifty four block shots in the season. Really,
you gotta go back in twenty fifteen with Hassan Whiteside
he had two sixty nine. You gotta go back to
market can be after that? Uh, but then there is
a massive The numbers all stay kind of about the
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same until you go all the way back to the
nineties and to Kenbe Matumbo, he was putting up like
three thirty two, three forty two, three thirty six, three
twenty one year after year after year. Matumbo. Uh was
just killing him and write it before that was a LaJuan.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Nothing in my house, but the Kembe was one dimensional,
like he would rebound in block shots. You're asking Joker
to play the other end when Benyama to play the
other end. And I think, now, look, I love watching
Joker and I think he's the best player in the
game by far, But I do understand this meritocracy where
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the voters will go, we kind of run out of
things to say about Joker. How about SGA great and
it's a great story. And Oklahoma City has proved to
be legitimate, and I hope they do. I don't want
this to happen. They don't get to the Western Conference
find because then you'll have people saying, nah, I never
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should have give him the MVP. Yeah, it's the regular
season awards. Like Lamar Jackson, I want him to do
well in the postseason, so we don't say, yeah, well,
we want it in the regular season, just not a
postseason performer. Peyton Manning went through this as well. Aaron
Rodgers is oh Man fourteen minutes in and I mentioned
Aaron Rodgers. Heikes, oh, dang it, dang it, I'm bad,
(12:25):
Sorry about that.
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Speaker 2 (13:34):
Diana Rassini, the Athletics senior NFL insider co host of
the Athletics Scoop City podcast with Chase Daniel. First of all,
you've done a wonderful job. You've done a wonderful job
here in the off season, not to say you don't
do it in the regular season, but did want to
have you on to say that great work. Now give
us the latest tier. Let's start with Aaron Rodgers because
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there were conflicting reports yesterday where the Vikings interested? Are
they still interested in Aaron Rodgers? Hi?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Well, first of all, thank you, happy spring. We made
it buddy. We're here just the fact that it's pouring
in our region. But we'll take it right as it
just felt like a really long winter. And you sound
annoyed by the quarterback carousel situation here a little bit.
Are you the Steelers?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Are you the Giants?
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Are you talking to them? Because I can tell you
that they are. They're pretty annoyed by all this as
they're just waiting and you know, everyone knows the tell
at this point that the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New
York Giants are both very interested in Aaron Rodgers. Rogers
knows what kind of contract that both teams are offering,
and the Minnesota Vikings spent i'd said, probably the last
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week and a half or so having really serious discussions
about what this would mean for this team moving forward
if they were to bring Aaron Rodgers on, And you
had a lot of people in that building in favor
of Rogers after watching some film of him, and you know,
those guys know a lo lot about him, they have
good relationships with Rogers, and so there were certainly many
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people with Minnesota who believe that bringing Aaron Rodgers in
this season was the best thing for the Minnesota Vikings.
And I think from their perspective, it's, well, you don't
get extra points winning a super Bowl because you want
it with your draft pick, with you because you want
it with the young quarterback. They built this team in
free agency, and you have to give them so much
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credit with how they've built this Vikings team on paper.
At this point right now, I think it's really reasonable
to say that this is a super Bowl, super Bowl
caliber team.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
They just need the quarterback.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
And the fact that the.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Vikings have now made the decision to table this to say, okay,
we want to give JJ McCarthy an opportunity. This spring
tells me that Kevin O'Connell has hitched his wagon into
JJ McCarthy and believes that this player is the future
of the Minnesota Vikings, that he is the absolute best
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option over let's say, a future Hall of Famer in
Aaron Rodgers. So serious discussions happened, but Kevin O'Connell came
to the decision that he believes that JJ McCarthy gives
the Vikings a much better chance at winning than Aaron
Rodgers does.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
At this point, well, okay, this is what I was
told yesterday. Kevin he knows he can mold JJ McCarthy.
He's not molding Aaron Rodgers. And does Aaron Rodgers style
of play fit with what Kevin wants with his offense.
And I was told that it's not necessarily a great marriage.
It's Aaron Rodgers and the high high that you can
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get could be a super Bowl. But Kevin has he
is showing confidence in JJ McCarthy and he wants to
make sure that he that McCarthy doesn't lose, you know,
going through rehab. He wants to make sure he understands
I got rid of Sam Darnold. You're my guy, but
I'm doing my due diligence that probably ownership is asking
him to do.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Yeah, it's beyond confidence in JJ McCarthy. If he's making
this decision, he is hitching his wagon to JJ McCarthy.
As JJ McCarthy goes, the Minnesota Vikings now go because
they had an opportunity to bring in Aaron Rodgers. And
to the point that you're making of well, he doesn't
fit in this style of offense. I think Kevin O'Connell,
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the Coach of the Year, has proven that he can
make any quarterback fit and find their best qualities to
get the most at them. I think that's Kevin's best trait.
He is so adaptable. He is able to figure out
pretty quickly what the strengths of these quarterbacks are. And
we've talked on this show so many times about the
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Rogers experience in New York and while I don't ever,
I never thought it was the right fit. I always
understood what New York was doing. When you think about fit,
when you think about personality, when you think about what
a player like Aaron Rodgers needs around him at this
point in his career, he does need somebody that he
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really truly respects and can hold him accountable. And in
my opinion, I think that's Kevin O'Connell. I think there's
probably about five coaches in football right now that I
would say yep, that works right, Like Andy Reid can
handle Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Those are five off the top.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Of my head that I feel very comfortable saying Aaron
Rodgers respects. And I think Rogers is looking at the
situation right now going I wanted to play for the
Rams that didn't work out, what's the next best And
based on these offseason moves, Minnesota is, without a doubt
the best option for Aaron Rodgers. And so now you
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have the Pittsburgh Steelers who don't have a plan past
Mason Rudolph, who are just waiting to hear from Aaron Rodgers.
And you know, the Giants would probably love this opportunity,
but I think in their building, they know what's happening here.
They know that they're probably not the prom queen here
in this situation. So to me, the biggest takeaway was
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the Minnesota Vikings have very strong belief and confidence that
JJ McCarthy is the guy, yet they're still going to
discuss Aaron Rodgers. Rogers is still on their radar, so
they need to learn something this spring. I don't know
what that is, but they need to see something. And again,
you've been doing this a long time. What is spring football?
(19:37):
Not much? Right, like, you don't know too much. It's
pretty easy, laid back, but I think they want to
see where he's at physically, where he's at mentally. There's
a lot in play here before they really make their
decision that they're officially done with Aaron Rodgers. Because there's
no in or out on Rodgers. It's just for right now.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The Athletics senior NFL insider co host of the Athletics
Scoop City with Chase Daniel. I thought the Steelers were
going to bring back Justin Fields. I thought that made sense.
Maybe it's a bridge quarterback, but I'm kind of surprised
the Steelers aren't acting like the Steelers and saying Aaron Rodgers, Dude,
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at the end of the business day, you're either in
or you're out. We're the Steelers. You want to play.
It's a privilege to play for the Steelers and a
Hall of Fame coach and Mike Tomlin, TJ. Watt, Mika Fitzpatrick,
Cam Hayward. We brought in DK metcalf. You make up
your mind and then if not, we're moving on. But
you allow Justin Fields to get out of the building.
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I don't know if you can bring Russ back. But
where do the Steelers stand with this whole mess?
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Where are they going? Dan? What do you mean they
have no choice? Like you want Mike Tomlin and Omar
Khan to call Aaron Rodgers today and say where the
Pittsburgh stay? Are you in or you out?
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (21:02):
I'm Aaron Rodgers. I'm going. Okay, Okay, I'm out if
you if you don't want to wait for me, because
what are your options? Me soon? For?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What am I waiting for? You're the Steelers?
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Is it is money involved in this? Or is it
just the chance to be with a better team, a
chance to play in an NFC North and win a
Super Bowl? I mean is that what this is all? Okay? Yeah,
this is Aaron rob.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
This is Aaron Rodgers going. Okay, the Vikings are telling
you right now that they're not in, but they're not
taking it off the table. Do I sit here and
just be patient and just wait to see if maybe
in the spring, they realize that maybe JJ McCarthy isn't
the guy, or maybe there's a setback physically, or maybe
there's another quarterback on a different team that he would
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want to play for injured. Should I just sit back
here right now and wait for a better opportunity, or
I go to Pittsburgh and look, you just ripped through
some of the guys in this roster. I'm not sure
how Aaron feels about Pittsburgh, but I think we could
probably all agree if he was blown away by them,
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this would be done. He wouldn't be watching what the
Minnesota Vikings were doing. It seems just like a really
far backup plan for Rogers if he even wants to
do that. And then you have the New York Giants,
and I don't even think that they have that much
of a push in this in terms of Rogers wanting
to be there, because we know the uphill battle that
they have in terms of their roster and everything that
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they're dealing with with their coaching staff. So I think
for Rogers, his mindset's like, I'm in no rush because
you all need me. I don't really need you, because
if I choose not to play football, I choose not
to play football. But I think the Minnesota Vikings are
worth waiting out for, and I think he's willing to roll.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
The die there.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are the Giants doing.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Hoping that Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco decide to come
to New York. I think that's going to wind up
being one of their backup plans, one or the other.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They've been operated taking a quarterback. You think they're taking
Shade or Sanders.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
I do.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
I think they've always had the focus has always been
to get a quarterback here. I think they've aggressively called
up to Tennessee to try to move up. I don't
get the sense right now out of Tennessee that they've
made a final decision yet. I just know that they haven't.
They've obviously have not made this trade. I think Tennessee
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winds up going quarterback, and I think the New York
Giants do as well. I think the Giants are going
to do whatever they can to just try to get
up and get a quarterback and then sort of figure
out where to go from there. And what I find
is fascinating in all this, And obviously I can't share
every conversation I have and all the information we collect,
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but there have been so many moves made over the
past two three weeks here with all three of these organizations.
And we're talking about big teams here, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
the Minnesota Vikings, the New York Giants. Where I wonder
if they're going to reflect on some of these calls
and regret them, right starting with Minnesota letting Sam Darnold walk.
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We want to invest in the young guy, right, so
we're gonna let the guy that just won fourteen games
for us leave the building. We have no insurance plan
now right now? Oh well, we will get Daniel Jones
and he wants to be here. We can win with Daniel.
We've got the best quarterback whisper in football. He can
get the most out of DJ Well. Daniel Jones wants
to be the starter without having to deal with a
young draft pick that's going to compete for the job.
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That because he was handpicked by Quacy and Kevin O'Connell
the young guy's going to get the edge, right, Like
we see it all the time in sports. Whoever that
guy's coach is, they usually get the edge. They're the favorite.
So Daniel Jones looks at the situation, She's like, I
don't want to be in this mess. I can go
to Indian and just win this thing. So this is
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why when I say Kevin O'Connell is tethered to JJ McCarthy,
because it's not just Aaron Rodgers, it's Sam, it's Daniel Jones,
and it's a future Hall of Fame quarterback. All three
of these quarterbacks, they're willing to say no, we can
win with JJ with this roster, and if they feel
good about it, I guess we got to just believe them.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The brotherly shove just keeps. It doesn't go away. It
feels like the Packers are like, can you please take
this out of the game. We can't stop it, but
nobody else can as well. My simple solution is just
don't allow somebody to be behind Jalen Hurts and block
him from behind. That's all. I still think they would
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be just as successful running a quarterback sneak with that
line in Jalen hurts. But is there any chance that
the NFL, when the owners get together, they're going to say,
you know what, none of us can stop it, we
want it out of the game, and then we vote
on it.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
I think it's a long shot.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
Still.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I actually thought it had I thought there was more
teeth to it a year ago, you know. And you
saw the report that Green Bay is the one that
proposed it because they bring up player safety. There's no
information about that out there. That's not really a strong
leg to stand on at this point. But but even
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having conversations about this over the last few weeks when
it started to bubble up again, I think you always
have to look at some of the players involved. And
I never got the sense that Roger Goodell was for it.
I always felt that he didn't like it because he
thought it was an ugly play. He didn't like the optics,
the esthetics. And I know that there are some on
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the competition Committee who feel that way as well. But
I think in the end, most around the league, including owners,
have the same mindset that you do, and that I
think a lot of teams do. It's let's not punish
this team because you can't figure out a way to
stop it. Maybe put your efforts into solving that problem
before having to change the rule because your team doesn't
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have that advantage.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Great to talk to you, and we'll be watching. We'll
be watching to make sure we find out where Russ
is going, where Aaron is going. If you had to
bet though, just guess.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
You know, insiders hate this stuff. I hate because you
know Bobby the aggregator out there. It's like headline Rusini says,
Rogers to Seattle, Sam Darnold's getting cut.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You know, like, uh, do you want to do? Just
just a guess on any of those topics, So like
the giants of the Browns, of the Steelers, with the Vikings,
with retirement, with whatever one just give me one guess.
Not a report. Once again, this is not a report
by Diana Rossini. This is not a report.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
This is a guess. This is a guess. I have
to just emphasize this. Yes, I think Aaron Rodgers is
going to be a Minnesota viike.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That is breaking news. Hey, let's get that out social media.
We're gonna get some We're gonna get some hits. Sceni
reports Aaron Rodgers will be the Vikings quarterback. Thank you.
Thank you, Diana. That was a guess. That's all that was.
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It was a guess. It was not a report.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Not as amused as we were with that joke.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But she wasn't she She knew what she was walking into.
At least she thought she did all of a sudden. Ye.
A bunch of the podcast is Scoop City with Chase Daniel.
That's Diana Rasini.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
He's one of the great basketball minds that I know.
He is Dan Dickow who joins us on the program.
Oh no, it's Dan. Oh, it's Dockage. Oh. Dan Dockage
a former college coach. He played for Bob Knight in Indiana.
His podcast on OutKick is Don't Have Me, Sorry, Dan,
I got confused on who we were having.
Speaker 9 (29:34):
On dick Out Dreams of having my Hair, Dreams of It.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Good to have you. On your reaction to the committee
putting North Carolina in the tournament? How egregious is this?
Or is it to you?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (29:51):
I think it was ridiculous and I think I like
Bubba cutting him. I've known him since he was at
Ball State. I was in Bowling Green and I've always
thought twelve of it. But you can't have in your contract,
you know. Some say you got one hundred and four thousand,
some say you got sixty seven. I don't care. You
can't have that in your contract. A hint of impropriety
is ridiculous. And the other thing is, you know, Dan,
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they put all these metrics in. Okay, that's fine, and
you know, I know, I know mathematicians. I got three
friends that are mathematicians math teachers, and they're like, you
can make math go anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You won.
Speaker 10 (30:24):
I didn't think Carolina should be in for the simple
reason who did they be over the course of a season.
I don't think Indiana should have been in the same reason.
But I do think that it has to get straightened out.
Where guys have bonuses for their schools to be in
the tournament. I think that's just wrong. It reeks of well, oh, frankly,
it's nefarious.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
Don't tell me you weren't in a room. Don't don't
treat us like children.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
You were talking to them at dinner, you would have
drinks whatever at the coffee shop.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Don't don't.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
Don't treat us like children. We know how this works,
and I just think you know, whether you want to
put them in or not.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Great, they played wonderful.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
R J.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Davis made threes.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
But you know, you should never have a bonus for
being the head of a chair getting.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
Your team, and that's just that's bad business.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But they knew that there was going to be blowback, right,
you can't be in that committee and go, boy, how's
this going to look? But then you just say, maybe
we just survived the first couple of days that.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
Dan, that's exactly we all know, right, you know I
always said this when I was in ESPN. Dan Brackett
was going to come out, Billis was going to complain
about the CD. Dick Fettel was going to complain that
the little guy didn't get in right, and that'll last
for twenty four forty eight hours. And then we moved
along and we had maybe the greatest game of the tournament,
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the first game with Alabama State. But that's how you
got to be. You're in the public. You know, things come,
they go, they blow over, and you move it along
in the game start and it's what was BILLI say
it's idiot proof, and boy is that true.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
It's just a great tournament every year.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, but you to look at this. And then Jim
Beheim last year said on our show they should expand
it to ninety sixteens, Like, how many is too many?
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Dan, Dan, I've always said this, And tell me if
you think this is wrong. But I've always said, everybody
is in the NCAA tournament. Like you have a conference tournament,
you win, you stay in. Like I get it, CBS
or whomever, they do their thing and great, but everybody's
already in.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
I have no I don't care expand it. Dan.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
I'm at an age where I love the games. I
love the sport. Give me mores. Fine, But I've said,
I've said this, everybody's in a tournament, and I think
Vegas should determine the bracket. Take Vegas, take the human
hair out of it, give your parameters, give your policies,
give it all of those guys in the deserts, as
Brent would say, and let's figure this out. Let them
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do it unbiased. And then we got a bracket and
we moved along. Those are the two things I've always said.
Everyone's already in the tournament, you got conference tournament, you
got a chance, don't lose, and you keep playing.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, I've been saying the last couple of years. Let's
just take it out of a committee. Let's do it
with the people who it's all about the bottom line,
all the money that's made with march madness. Let Vegas
figure this out. I did think of you yesterday. We
were talking about how Georgetown had to fire Patrick Ewing,
Saint John's had to fire Chris mallin, Houston fired Clyde Drexler.
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Steve Alford has never been offered the Indiana John. Is
that correct? And if so, why not.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
There's a weird thing.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
Quinn Buckner at this time is the head of the
board of Trustees and he's got some weird and this
is true. I mean, nobody had missed this, but I
know this night told me this. He's got some daddy
thing with Knight and Alford. It's a really weird thing.
Dan and the previous guy the ad and Buckner's the
ahead of the board of trustees, previous guy Rick green Span.
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They had lector didn't like Alford. He was in Illinois State.
They had some kind of hassle. Dan I've never understood it.
I've said, ex.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
So, Quinn Buckner's daddy issue with Bob Knight and therefore
doesn't want Steve Alford.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
I've never been able and I'm asked Steve, and that's
all I've ever You know, it's just a weird thing
where Buckner's jealous of the relationship or and you know,
nobody will admit it. But I've heard this for so
many years, and Buckner again, he's ahead. Look whether it's
true or not, I bet you know. I always say
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gun to head, gun to head. I think it's true
as hell. Buckner and Woodson were boys when Night was
first in Indiana.
Speaker 9 (34:44):
He kind of legally cheated.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
He got Woody, and I think Buckner, I know Scott
May involved with a guy named Steve Ferguson, one of
the richest guys. They bought all the hotel, they bought
all the apartments in Bloomington. Alford wasn't a part of
the It's just a it's a ridiculous, idiotic, stupid Desperate
Housewives kind of a program that hopefully now we got
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a decent dude in there that can coach some ball.
West Virginia fans. You can suck it. I love that
you're mad.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
Go away. Indiana got a good dude, Let's go.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
He's Dan Dakiche, host of Don't at Me podcast on
out Kick. He played for Bob Knight in Indiana. You
coached with him. Was there any joy when you played
for Bob Knight?
Speaker 9 (35:33):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (35:34):
I always say it was fun, and the fun was
when you got his approval. The fun was how big
the program was, how revered you were. But you know,
Dan Fife and I always talk about this as white
dudes that aren't very fast. Everybody thinks they're better than you,
Like everybody that was third team All Conference in their
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little conference, you know, couldn't wait to play in the hype.
But playing basketball Indiana, I don't know if it was fun.
Speaker 9 (36:05):
I don't know. Is that the same as joy. I
don't know.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
I had a blast. I liked when he got crazy.
I loved watching his eyebrows grow. Randy Whitman told me
that he'll yell, his eyebrows will grow.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
But I loved everything about it. I love the place.
Uh yeah, no it was.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I will tell you to scare you did night scare.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
You scare me? No, not at all. Make you question
everything about yourself, yes, like could you play? Like could
you think? Like he would ask me Dan.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
He would go, hey, Doccas, you're either too dumb to
understand this or you don't listen to me. And I'm like, man, hey, coach,
I listened to every word you said. I'm just stupid,
like just a moron coach, you know. But no, he
made you question if you were working hard enough. He
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made you question. And you know, he's like my dad.
My dad was the principal in Gary, Indiana High School
principal he was. He was like my dad, And I
loved it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Is Rick Pattino a feel good story?
Speaker 10 (37:16):
I think it's a yeah. I like redemption. I like
the fact that Rick Patino humbled himself. He went to Greece.
You know, it's funny. I was talking to some coaches
about him going to Greece and winning that league. Dan,
that league is a big time, big time lead. He
won that thing twice, and I remember thinking, I don't care.
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You know, I don't care the backstory. I think Rick
Patino I would have hired him in a second.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
And Dan.
Speaker 10 (37:42):
The other thing is, I wish Louisville would do this.
I wish Louisville would say, screw you were putting the
banner from thirteen backup. N Cuba is feckless right now, Dan,
And well, okay, get mad at us.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Good for you, don't I don't care. I really wish
they would do that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Would you do that if you're Michigan the final.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Yeah, final four. Maybe a little different.
Speaker 10 (38:07):
And those guys held whoever allegedly was going to jail
if the Martin guy didn't die. You know, for a
lot that got a little bit what's the right I
got a little bit too much in the courts for me.
But I think I would. Now, you know, I haven't
thought about it. I'm just thinking about that for the
first time. Yeah, I think I probably would. I think
i'd say, look, these games were played, we won them.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
You know.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
I like it. It's like I used to tell my kids, Dan,
you're mad at me. Really, I still tell them, you're
mad at me. Go stand over there in the corner
and be mad and let me know when you're not
mad anymore and come back. That's yeah, I would. Yeah,
I would put those banners up at Michigan. I certainly
would do it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Louisville absolutely sneaky team that you like in the tournament.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
You know, it's funny. Everybody likes Drake, and I love
Drake's coach. But I saw today seventy one percent of
the money bet on Drake.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
That tells me bet against Drake.
Speaker 10 (39:02):
Every time the you know, the public goes on someone
I go against, I will tell your team I'm fascinated
by and Dan.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
That's Wisconsin.
Speaker 10 (39:11):
You know, Dan, with Mike Trico and I used to
do this when we were broadcast, we wouldn't look at
the line until game time, and then I would ask him, Mike,
what's the over under? And he was really good, like
he would you know, I think he cheated, but he
would nail it. But with Wisconsin, the over under was
always like one twenty something, right, one eighteen.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
They can get in the eighties, they can get high seventies.
Speaker 10 (39:37):
I'm fascinated because Dan, they have switched their entire operation.
Speaker 9 (39:43):
I mean when you.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
And I were in college, Dan, we went in my
time in Indiana seventeen years we went what first sixteen
years we went thirty one and one against Wisconsin. And
so they they got Dick Bennett, they went a different way.
Now they're going up and down I'm fascinated to see
how they do. And I'll tell you what I like Kentucky.
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I don't know why I got them going to the
Final four. D I just I like their team. I'm
not mad at their path.
Speaker 9 (40:14):
I just do.
Speaker 10 (40:15):
And you know, one of the sleeper teams that I like.
I'm anxious to see what high Point does today against Purdue.
And I'll tell you why. I've never seen a guy
used more than Brayden Smith is used at Purdue.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
Like Dan.
Speaker 10 (40:29):
They don't have a second ball handler. Kid's a first
team All American. He's asked to do everything, and I
mean everything, and I thought, I'm not you know, I'm
one of those guys. A shut up, put some dirt
on it.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
Let's go.
Speaker 10 (40:41):
I don't want to hear about you being tired. But Dan,
that dude legitimately should be wore out. And I'm anxious
high Point gets up and down.
Speaker 9 (40:49):
They can score it. They got a good coach.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
I'm looking forward to that game, and I'm looking forward
to Creighton and Louisville.
Speaker 9 (40:54):
Louisville got job, Creighton got job eight nine game, my.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Ass, Yeah, that'll be just you know, Creighton's got a
lot of things that you need to advance in the tournament.
I'll leave you with this. Your days is a player
as a coach, as an assistant coach. The best performance
you ever saw by a player was turned in by who.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
Calbert Cheney against Louisville in the NCAA Tournament, Dwayne Morton.
Dwayne Morton was really good back then and Calbert. He
said something to Calbert. I don't know if this is
the best, but Calvert was a player of the year.
Morton said something and Calbert just went stupid.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 10 (41:35):
Dan, like Calvert was the nicest guy in America, easiest
guy in the history of basketball to coach every day.
And I never saw this until this guy, Dwayne Morton
came at him and Dan it was like guys talking
about Michael Jordan when you said something to him. He
had an electricity. It was in the regional I think
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it was in the sweet sixteen, maybe ninety three. He
dunked on, got face to face and I'm sitting there going,
wait a second, here, hang on, baby, that's pretty damn good.
Speaker 9 (42:07):
Shack. We beat Shack. He made all twelve of his
free throws in ninety two, his last game. True stories.
He had thirty six and made all of his free throws.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
And I told Matt and over the guy that guarded him,
I said, Mat, I've never said this about a dude
that got thirty six on you, But that was a
hell of a defensive performance.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
What was the performance better than your performance against Michael Jordan?
Speaker 10 (42:33):
Nothing will ever surpass that, Dan, nothing in the history
of bast.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
You've been dining out on that for decades. That you
held Jordan under twenty.
Speaker 10 (42:43):
Hell, Jordan under ten. I filed out, he got four more.
He ended up with thirteen. I was a little pissed
about that thing.
Speaker 9 (42:48):
Kick.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Did you say anything to him at all during that?
I mean, he wasn't Michael Jordan then they were playing
him in college, but didn't know he's still there that
you were, you know, you could get him fired up.
Speaker 10 (43:02):
No, you know, Dan, I don't know if you remember this,
but Orlando Woolridge and Notre Dame beat Virginia and Ralph
Samson and I was at the game and Orlando Woolridge said,
I didn't say a word to Ralph. I just stayed
behind him and next to him, didn't say a word.
And I thought about that and I did that during
that game. I didn't say a word. But if he
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was back, you know, somebody shooting free throws and he
was at half corner, I stood next to him. If
he was on the free throw line, I stood down.
I just I don't know why I did, though. Dan,
we played golf that summer. I beat him out of
sixth grand and I talked a lot of hish that night. Dan,
I'm not gonna lie to you. I told him, I'll
play it for any dime you want. I'll play it
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for everything you want, because you suck and I'm good,
and I'm gonna kick the living out of you. And
he owed me six grand by the end of the day,
and the course, being Michael Jordan, he never paid, but hey,
I don't care.
Speaker 9 (43:55):
It's a good story.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Keep starting it up. Great to talk to you so always, Bud,
Thanks brother, see you. That's Dan dakch
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Made it to a Thursday, but it's not just any
Thursday now. The tournament begins. Congratulations to Xavier, they were
down by thirteen, came back to beat Texas, and Mount
Saint Mary's beats American. Among those playing today Houston, Auburn, Tennessee,
and Saint John's. If you would have told me five
years ago, Rick Battino is going to be coaching Saint John's.
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They're going to open up the tournament in Providence, where
Rick started his career for the most part, and took
a Billy Donovan led team. Whether they go to the
Elite eight that year, I'm not even sure how far
they went. I just know they were really entertaining that year.
But Rick Bettino, it feels like Patino's an underdog, is
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a number two seat for some reason. It's like, man,
look what he's doing with Saint John's. Saint John's used
to be really good before Marvin was born, but Saint
John's has been a pleasant surprise, and they've recaptured New
York City. But they will be in Providence to open
up Houston Auburn, Tennessee as well. All right, eight seven
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seven three DP Show operators sitting bybe We'll take your
phone calls and email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle
at DP show Seeton. What's poll question for the first
hour of this program, Paul sent this one in.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Would you rather your favorite team or school win the
NCAA tournament or would you rather win your bracket contest?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, Marvin, let me ask you. Since your team is
the two time defending champs, would you rather UKON one
again this year or you won the bracket.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Challenge UKN won again?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Okay, Paul, If you're alma mater Southern Illinois won the
national title or you won the bracket challenge, I almost
have to.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Take that out because it's so wild to even think
of them making the tournament. If I didn't have a
dog in the fight like this year, if a team
I like, now you got to take your team if
they'd never won.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It before, Todd you went to you. So there's no
chance that that would happen.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
No chance of that happening, I will.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'll take winning the bracket challenge even if somehow the
Violets got into the tournament then won it all all right,
Seaton West virgin Oh sorry, Uh, you're alma mater. If
they got into the tournament or you won the bracket challenge,
how about Seaton Hall.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm pretty good if Seaton Hall. Yeah, I would take
my team or school any day, because there really isn't
winning the bracket Challenge. It's just as much luck as
it is anything else. Two years ago, we had the
most unlikely Final four of all time and my wife
called it yeah, And I can assure you she does
not watch any any college basketball whatsoever, and she had
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it nailed. She was in like theer point five percent
of the world that had it nailed.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's hard to luck into a national championship. It's a
little easier to luck into doing well with the bracket Challenge.
In fact, I always think they the less you know,
the better you will perform in the I Could Challenge.
But our brackets are in. We're still waiting for a
couple of celebrities to get their brackets in as well.
But Fritzy, once again is the gatekeeper. Another poll question,
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what else do you have?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, we got a couple of rule changes that are
making well proposed rule changes perhaps that are making some news.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Let me hold off on that until the next segment,
so I have the full fifteen minutes or so to
be able to go over everything. And there's some proposals there,
they're just proposals. The Lions had one. They're still trying
to get rid of the brotherly shove, which I still
I'm okay with it. I just say take the guy
(03:41):
behind the quarterback out of the play. That's all. So
if you want to have a push, the push comes
from your quarterback and your offensive line, not some guy
who weighs three hundred pounds behind. Jalen Hurts. And every
other team can do this. It's the ultimate football play
from the standpoint of me versus You may not like it.
(04:02):
It's predictable, but it is force against force, the immovable
object against the irresistible force. I'm okay with it. It
may not be esthetically pleasing, and we may not like
that the Eagles have mastered it. Every other team can
do the same thing. Yes see, I feel exactly the
same way.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
To me.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's like the exact, almost very definition of a football play. However,
we've had at least a coach or two on I
forget exactly who it was, who was like test not
football as rugby. We don't play rugby, we play football.
I hate that play. It's not a football play. Maybe
it's Bill Coward, it might have been, I'm not sure.
So then that made me rethink everything that I thought, like, oh,
that's not a football play.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
What Well, there are probably football plays that aren't football
plays if you're looking at a true definition here. But
it's I got the ball. I'm telling you what I'm
doing and you can't stop me.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And yes, the Eagles have mastered it. If the Bills
mastered it, they might have gone to the super Bowl.
Nobody else has mastered it. But I'm okay with that,
but they're still trying to get rid of it. Magic
Johnson was on a podcast. He's on Byron Scott's podcast,
and it's that time of the year where people are
making their decisions or giving their opinions on who should
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be winning awards in the NBA. And the hot topic
appears to be, even though I think the race is over,
is Joker versus Shay gilgis Alexander. Here's Magic Johnson on
Byron Scott's podcast.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Best Playing Basketball Right Now, and he reads situations and
defense as well, his basketball IQ is off the chart, y. Yeah,
and then he beats you because he's off rhythm. He's
not one of the best yet, but he is up there.
And the only thing he can't do like Kareem could do,
is dominate on both hims. Right, that's what was missing
(05:57):
for him because he's.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Not a big shot blocker. Right, he's a little bability.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah to a certain extent. Yeah, he's the best player,
uh in the league. So that's magic on Byron Scott's
fast Break podcast and he puts it into context because
he's comparing him to one of the greatest centers, one
of the greatest players of all time in Koreem. And no,
Jokic is not a shot blocker. But here's a stat
that is rarely brought up. And to be honest, when
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you talk about players, how many MVPs were great defenders
good defenders. When's the last time somebody said, man, that's
Shay gilg is Alexander he can lock you up. I
haven't heard it, and but I don't think that should
factor in. If you're really good, your unbelievable score. I
do believe he's unstoppable, your team is playing great, he's
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going to win the MVP. There was a real push
for him last year. But here's the thing that is
not brought up. A defensive rebound. It's called a defensive rebound.
And who is third in the NBA. It's Jokic, So
he's third in rebounding and third in defensive rebounding. That's
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a defensive stat that's rarely brought up. Larry Bird and
Magic Johnson they quote unquote they played the passing lines.
I didn't mean they played defense, because you can't play
the passing lanes unless you kind of slough off your player.
I don't know if Sga is a great defender. Maybe
he is, but it feels like we're picking and choosing,
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and this came up with Joker, with Joel Embiid. Yeah,
but Joker doesn't play good defense. Defensive rebounds is still
a stat and it's rarely brought up. Larry Bird didn't
play defense. I don't know too many people back then
who go, eah, but Larry can't play defense. Okay, Magic
couldn't play defense. Kobe played defense because Michael Jordan played defense.
(07:54):
I mean, how many MVPs were like Michael Jordan. They
could beat you at both ends. Of the floor. Know,
if Karl Malone was a great defender, I think he
was on the first or second team All Defensive Team.
But we do get caught up, you know, and we'll
say this about MVPs in baseball. Yeah, but he's not
a real good fielder. Okay, so we kind of pick
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and choose. You can use it against somebody, you can
use it for somebody. But with and magic putting it
in context there that he's not Kareem and how many
players are Kareem Yokich is going to be one of
the great He should probably have four MVPs and could
be on the cusp of a fifth one. I mean,
just let that sink in. That doesn't happen. But he
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is clearly the best player. That doesn't mean he's the
most valuable player. And that's why it will go to
Shay Gilgis, Alexander Junior. The third.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yes, Paul jokicch currently is the only center in the
NBA aftering more than one and a half steals per game.
And the thing about him not blocking shots blocking shots
these days people don't take it to the lane like
they used to, the challenges to the basket like he
used to there's I would bet there's so many fewer
chances to block shots in this NBA because everyone's jacking
threes that rim protectors might be the least important thing
(09:10):
in the league.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, I mean you have you know, the stifled Tower.
You know, that's what he does. He plays, you know,
as a rim protector, but his role is overrated because
how much of the game is being a rim protector.
Wembn Yama is the best defensive player in the in
the game, and it's not even close. He can he
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can guard you inside outside, he can stand inside and
guards you outside. He's that great. But when it comes
to who's the best defensive player, who's won the MVP,
I mean, if you run down the list of great
defensive players, Kim Elijahwan was a spectacular defensive player. I
think he's the all time steals leader maybe is that
(09:54):
sound right? Or he's up there in that category block
shots as well, yes.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Marvin, yes, block shots?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah? What about steals for keem.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I know John Stockton's first, but I'll take a look.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Stockton put up numbers that are crazy, like
the assist total that's almost like Emmett Smith. His rushing
total it's just gonna be there. Yes, Bowie.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Hakim Olijuan is tenth all time and steals in NBA
history and he's the only person over six ten in
the top twenty.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
He's under days.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Oh best Dad of the day, Dad of the day,
Here comes that?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What what day? Brought to you by Panini America. Two
time Defensive Player of the Year for Akim olij one, Yes,
Seaton O'Connor. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
If you look at Victor wimbin Yama, he had uh,
let's see in twenty twenty three, twenty four, he had
two hundred and fifty four block shots in the season. Really,
you gotta go back in twenty fifteen with Hassan Whiteside
he had two sixty nine. You gotta go back to
market can be after that? Uh, but then there is
a massive The numbers all stay kind of about the
(11:05):
same until you go all the way back to the
nineties and to Kenbe Matumbo, he was putting up like
three thirty two, three forty two, three thirty six, three
twenty one year after year after year. Matumbo. Uh was
just killing him and write it before that was a LaJuan.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Nothing in my house, but the Kembe was one dimensional,
like he would rebound in block shots. You're asking Joker
to play the other end when Benyama to play the
other end. And I think, now, look, I love watching
Joker and I think he's the best player in the
game by far, But I do understand this meritocracy where
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the voters will go, we kind of run out of
things to say about Joker. How about SGA great and
it's a great story. And Oklahoma City has proved to
be legitimate, and I hope they do. I don't want
this to happen. They don't get to the Western Conference
find because then you'll have people saying, nah, I never
(12:02):
should have give him the MVP. Yeah, it's the regular
season awards. Like Lamar Jackson, I want him to do
well in the postseason, so we don't say, yeah, well,
we want it in the regular season, just not a
postseason performer. Peyton Manning went through this as well. Aaron
Rodgers is oh Man fourteen minutes in and I mentioned
Aaron Rodgers. Heikes, oh, dang it, dang it, I'm bad,
(12:25):
Sorry about that.
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Speaker 2 (13:34):
Diana Rassini, the Athletics senior NFL insider co host of
the Athletics Scoop City podcast with Chase Daniel. First of all,
you've done a wonderful job. You've done a wonderful job
here in the off season, not to say you don't
do it in the regular season, but did want to
have you on to say that great work. Now give
us the latest tier. Let's start with Aaron Rodgers because
(13:55):
there were conflicting reports yesterday where the Vikings interested? Are
they still interested in Aaron Rodgers? Hi?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Well, first of all, thank you, happy spring. We made
it buddy. We're here just the fact that it's pouring
in our region. But we'll take it right as it
just felt like a really long winter. And you sound
annoyed by the quarterback carousel situation here a little bit.
Are you the Steelers?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Are you the Giants?
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Are you talking to them? Because I can tell you
that they are. They're pretty annoyed by all this as
they're just waiting and you know, everyone knows the tell
at this point that the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New
York Giants are both very interested in Aaron Rodgers. Rogers
knows what kind of contract that both teams are offering,
and the Minnesota Vikings spent i'd said, probably the last
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week and a half or so having really serious discussions
about what this would mean for this team moving forward
if they were to bring Aaron Rodgers on, And you
had a lot of people in that building in favor
of Rogers after watching some film of him, and you know,
those guys know a lo lot about him, they have
good relationships with Rogers, and so there were certainly many
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people with Minnesota who believe that bringing Aaron Rodgers in
this season was the best thing for the Minnesota Vikings.
And I think from their perspective, it's, well, you don't
get extra points winning a super Bowl because you want
it with your draft pick, with you because you want
it with the young quarterback. They built this team in
free agency, and you have to give them so much
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credit with how they've built this Vikings team on paper.
At this point right now, I think it's really reasonable
to say that this is a super Bowl, super Bowl
caliber team.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
They just need the quarterback.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
And the fact that the.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Vikings have now made the decision to table this to say, okay,
we want to give JJ McCarthy an opportunity. This spring
tells me that Kevin O'Connell has hitched his wagon into
JJ McCarthy and believes that this player is the future
of the Minnesota Vikings, that he is the absolute best
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option over let's say, a future Hall of Famer in
Aaron Rodgers. So serious discussions happened, but Kevin O'Connell came
to the decision that he believes that JJ McCarthy gives
the Vikings a much better chance at winning than Aaron
Rodgers does.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
At this point, well, okay, this is what I was
told yesterday. Kevin he knows he can mold JJ McCarthy.
He's not molding Aaron Rodgers. And does Aaron Rodgers style
of play fit with what Kevin wants with his offense.
And I was told that it's not necessarily a great marriage.
It's Aaron Rodgers and the high high that you can
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get could be a super Bowl. But Kevin has he
is showing confidence in JJ McCarthy and he wants to
make sure that he that McCarthy doesn't lose, you know,
going through rehab. He wants to make sure he understands
I got rid of Sam Darnold. You're my guy, but
I'm doing my due diligence that probably ownership is asking
him to do.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Yeah, it's beyond confidence in JJ McCarthy. If he's making
this decision, he is hitching his wagon to JJ McCarthy.
As JJ McCarthy goes, the Minnesota Vikings now go because
they had an opportunity to bring in Aaron Rodgers. And
to the point that you're making of well, he doesn't
fit in this style of offense. I think Kevin O'Connell,
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the Coach of the Year, has proven that he can
make any quarterback fit and find their best qualities to
get the most at them. I think that's Kevin's best trait.
He is so adaptable. He is able to figure out
pretty quickly what the strengths of these quarterbacks are. And
we've talked on this show so many times about the
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Rogers experience in New York and while I don't ever,
I never thought it was the right fit. I always
understood what New York was doing. When you think about fit,
when you think about personality, when you think about what
a player like Aaron Rodgers needs around him at this
point in his career, he does need somebody that he
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really truly respects and can hold him accountable. And in
my opinion, I think that's Kevin O'Connell. I think there's
probably about five coaches in football right now that I
would say yep, that works right, Like Andy Reid can
handle Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Those are five off the top.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Of my head that I feel very comfortable saying Aaron
Rodgers respects. And I think Rogers is looking at the
situation right now going I wanted to play for the
Rams that didn't work out, what's the next best And
based on these offseason moves, Minnesota is, without a doubt
the best option for Aaron Rodgers. And so now you
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have the Pittsburgh Steelers who don't have a plan past
Mason Rudolph, who are just waiting to hear from Aaron Rodgers.
And you know, the Giants would probably love this opportunity,
but I think in their building, they know what's happening here.
They know that they're probably not the prom queen here
in this situation. So to me, the biggest takeaway was
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the Minnesota Vikings have very strong belief and confidence that
JJ McCarthy is the guy, yet they're still going to
discuss Aaron Rodgers. Rogers is still on their radar, so
they need to learn something this spring. I don't know
what that is, but they need to see something. And again,
you've been doing this a long time. What is spring football?
(19:37):
Not much? Right, like, you don't know too much. It's
pretty easy, laid back, but I think they want to
see where he's at physically, where he's at mentally. There's
a lot in play here before they really make their
decision that they're officially done with Aaron Rodgers. Because there's
no in or out on Rodgers. It's just for right now.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The Athletics senior NFL insider co host of the Athletics
Scoop City with Chase Daniel. I thought the Steelers were
going to bring back Justin Fields. I thought that made sense.
Maybe it's a bridge quarterback, but I'm kind of surprised
the Steelers aren't acting like the Steelers and saying Aaron Rodgers, Dude,
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at the end of the business day, you're either in
or you're out. We're the Steelers. You want to play.
It's a privilege to play for the Steelers and a
Hall of Fame coach and Mike Tomlin, TJ. Watt, Mika Fitzpatrick,
Cam Hayward. We brought in DK metcalf. You make up
your mind and then if not, we're moving on. But
you allow Justin Fields to get out of the building.
(20:43):
I don't know if you can bring Russ back. But
where do the Steelers stand with this whole mess?
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Where are they going? Dan? What do you mean they
have no choice? Like you want Mike Tomlin and Omar
Khan to call Aaron Rodgers today and say where the
Pittsburgh stay? Are you in or you out?
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (21:02):
I'm Aaron Rodgers. I'm going. Okay, Okay, I'm out if
you if you don't want to wait for me, because
what are your options? Me soon? For?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What am I waiting for? You're the Steelers?
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Is it is money involved in this? Or is it
just the chance to be with a better team, a
chance to play in an NFC North and win a
Super Bowl? I mean is that what this is all? Okay? Yeah,
this is Aaron rob.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
This is Aaron Rodgers going. Okay, the Vikings are telling
you right now that they're not in, but they're not
taking it off the table. Do I sit here and
just be patient and just wait to see if maybe
in the spring, they realize that maybe JJ McCarthy isn't
the guy, or maybe there's a setback physically, or maybe
there's another quarterback on a different team that he would
(21:54):
want to play for injured. Should I just sit back
here right now and wait for a better opportunity, or
I go to Pittsburgh and look, you just ripped through
some of the guys in this roster. I'm not sure
how Aaron feels about Pittsburgh, but I think we could
probably all agree if he was blown away by them,
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this would be done. He wouldn't be watching what the
Minnesota Vikings were doing. It seems just like a really
far backup plan for Rogers if he even wants to
do that. And then you have the New York Giants,
and I don't even think that they have that much
of a push in this in terms of Rogers wanting
to be there, because we know the uphill battle that
they have in terms of their roster and everything that
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they're dealing with with their coaching staff. So I think
for Rogers, his mindset's like, I'm in no rush because
you all need me. I don't really need you, because
if I choose not to play football, I choose not
to play football. But I think the Minnesota Vikings are
worth waiting out for, and I think he's willing to roll.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
The die there.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are the Giants doing.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Hoping that Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco decide to come
to New York. I think that's going to wind up
being one of their backup plans, one or the other.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They've been operated taking a quarterback. You think they're taking
Shade or Sanders.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
I do.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
I think they've always had the focus has always been
to get a quarterback here. I think they've aggressively called
up to Tennessee to try to move up. I don't
get the sense right now out of Tennessee that they've
made a final decision yet. I just know that they haven't.
They've obviously have not made this trade. I think Tennessee
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winds up going quarterback, and I think the New York
Giants do as well. I think the Giants are going
to do whatever they can to just try to get
up and get a quarterback and then sort of figure
out where to go from there. And what I find
is fascinating in all this, And obviously I can't share
every conversation I have and all the information we collect,
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but there have been so many moves made over the
past two three weeks here with all three of these organizations.
And we're talking about big teams here, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
the Minnesota Vikings, the New York Giants. Where I wonder
if they're going to reflect on some of these calls
and regret them, right starting with Minnesota letting Sam Darnold walk.
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We want to invest in the young guy, right, so
we're gonna let the guy that just won fourteen games
for us leave the building. We have no insurance plan
now right now? Oh well, we will get Daniel Jones
and he wants to be here. We can win with Daniel.
We've got the best quarterback whisper in football. He can
get the most out of DJ Well. Daniel Jones wants
to be the starter without having to deal with a
young draft pick that's going to compete for the job.
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That because he was handpicked by Quacy and Kevin O'Connell
the young guy's going to get the edge, right, Like
we see it all the time in sports. Whoever that
guy's coach is, they usually get the edge. They're the favorite.
So Daniel Jones looks at the situation, She's like, I
don't want to be in this mess. I can go
to Indian and just win this thing. So this is
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why when I say Kevin O'Connell is tethered to JJ McCarthy,
because it's not just Aaron Rodgers, it's Sam, it's Daniel Jones,
and it's a future Hall of Fame quarterback. All three
of these quarterbacks, they're willing to say no, we can
win with JJ with this roster, and if they feel
good about it, I guess we got to just believe them.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The brotherly shove just keeps. It doesn't go away. It
feels like the Packers are like, can you please take
this out of the game. We can't stop it, but
nobody else can as well. My simple solution is just
don't allow somebody to be behind Jalen Hurts and block
him from behind. That's all. I still think they would
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be just as successful running a quarterback sneak with that
line in Jalen hurts. But is there any chance that
the NFL, when the owners get together, they're going to say,
you know what, none of us can stop it, we
want it out of the game, and then we vote
on it.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
I think it's a long shot.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
Still.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I actually thought it had I thought there was more
teeth to it a year ago, you know. And you
saw the report that Green Bay is the one that
proposed it because they bring up player safety. There's no
information about that out there. That's not really a strong
leg to stand on at this point. But but even
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having conversations about this over the last few weeks when
it started to bubble up again, I think you always
have to look at some of the players involved. And
I never got the sense that Roger Goodell was for it.
I always felt that he didn't like it because he
thought it was an ugly play. He didn't like the optics,
the esthetics. And I know that there are some on
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the competition Committee who feel that way as well. But
I think in the end, most around the league, including owners,
have the same mindset that you do, and that I
think a lot of teams do. It's let's not punish
this team because you can't figure out a way to
stop it. Maybe put your efforts into solving that problem
before having to change the rule because your team doesn't
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have that advantage.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Great to talk to you, and we'll be watching. We'll
be watching to make sure we find out where Russ
is going, where Aaron is going. If you had to
bet though, just guess.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
You know, insiders hate this stuff. I hate because you
know Bobby the aggregator out there. It's like headline Rusini says,
Rogers to Seattle, Sam Darnold's getting cut.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You know, like, uh, do you want to do? Just
just a guess on any of those topics, So like
the giants of the Browns, of the Steelers, with the Vikings,
with retirement, with whatever one just give me one guess.
Not a report. Once again, this is not a report
by Diana Rossini. This is not a report.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
This is a guess. This is a guess. I have
to just emphasize this. Yes, I think Aaron Rodgers is
going to be a Minnesota viike.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That is breaking news. Hey, let's get that out social media.
We're gonna get some We're gonna get some hits. Sceni
reports Aaron Rodgers will be the Vikings quarterback. Thank you.
Thank you, Diana. That was a guess. That's all that was.
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It was a guess. It was not a report.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Not as amused as we were with that joke.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But she wasn't she She knew what she was walking into.
At least she thought she did all of a sudden. Ye.
A bunch of the podcast is Scoop City with Chase Daniel.
That's Diana Rasini.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
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Speaker 2 (29:11):
He's one of the great basketball minds that I know.
He is Dan Dickow who joins us on the program.
Oh no, it's Dan. Oh, it's Dockage. Oh. Dan Dockage
a former college coach. He played for Bob Knight in Indiana.
His podcast on OutKick is Don't Have Me, Sorry, Dan,
I got confused on who we were having.
Speaker 9 (29:34):
On dick Out Dreams of having my Hair, Dreams of It.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Good to have you. On your reaction to the committee
putting North Carolina in the tournament? How egregious is this?
Or is it to you?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (29:51):
I think it was ridiculous and I think I like
Bubba cutting him. I've known him since he was at
Ball State. I was in Bowling Green and I've always
thought twelve of it. But you can't have in your contract,
you know. Some say you got one hundred and four thousand,
some say you got sixty seven. I don't care. You
can't have that in your contract. A hint of impropriety
is ridiculous. And the other thing is, you know, Dan,
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they put all these metrics in. Okay, that's fine, and
you know, I know, I know mathematicians. I got three
friends that are mathematicians math teachers, and they're like, you
can make math go anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You won.
Speaker 10 (30:24):
I didn't think Carolina should be in for the simple
reason who did they be over the course of a season.
I don't think Indiana should have been in the same reason.
But I do think that it has to get straightened out.
Where guys have bonuses for their schools to be in
the tournament. I think that's just wrong. It reeks of well, oh, frankly,
it's nefarious.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
Don't tell me you weren't in a room. Don't don't
treat us like children.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
You were talking to them at dinner, you would have
drinks whatever at the coffee shop.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Don't don't.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
Don't treat us like children. We know how this works,
and I just think you know, whether you want to
put them in or not.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Great, they played wonderful.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
R J.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Davis made threes.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
But you know, you should never have a bonus for
being the head of a chair getting.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
Your team, and that's just that's bad business.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But they knew that there was going to be blowback, right,
you can't be in that committee and go, boy, how's
this going to look? But then you just say, maybe
we just survived the first couple of days that.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
Dan, that's exactly we all know, right, you know I
always said this when I was in ESPN. Dan Brackett
was going to come out, Billis was going to complain
about the CD. Dick Fettel was going to complain that
the little guy didn't get in right, and that'll last
for twenty four forty eight hours. And then we moved
along and we had maybe the greatest game of the tournament,
(31:43):
the first game with Alabama State. But that's how you
got to be. You're in the public. You know, things come,
they go, they blow over, and you move it along
in the game start and it's what was BILLI say
it's idiot proof, and boy is that true.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
It's just a great tournament every year.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, but you to look at this. And then Jim
Beheim last year said on our show they should expand
it to ninety sixteens, Like, how many is too many?
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Dan, Dan, I've always said this, And tell me if
you think this is wrong. But I've always said, everybody
is in the NCAA tournament. Like you have a conference tournament,
you win, you stay in. Like I get it, CBS
or whomever, they do their thing and great, but everybody's
already in.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
I have no I don't care expand it. Dan.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
I'm at an age where I love the games. I
love the sport. Give me mores. Fine, But I've said,
I've said this, everybody's in a tournament, and I think
Vegas should determine the bracket. Take Vegas, take the human
hair out of it, give your parameters, give your policies,
give it all of those guys in the deserts, as
Brent would say, and let's figure this out. Let them
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do it unbiased. And then we got a bracket and
we moved along. Those are the two things I've always said.
Everyone's already in the tournament, you got conference tournament, you
got a chance, don't lose, and you keep playing.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, I've been saying the last couple of years. Let's
just take it out of a committee. Let's do it
with the people who it's all about the bottom line,
all the money that's made with march madness. Let Vegas
figure this out. I did think of you yesterday. We
were talking about how Georgetown had to fire Patrick Ewing,
Saint John's had to fire Chris mallin, Houston fired Clyde Drexler.
(33:27):
Steve Alford has never been offered the Indiana John. Is
that correct? And if so, why not.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
There's a weird thing.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
Quinn Buckner at this time is the head of the
board of Trustees and he's got some weird and this
is true. I mean, nobody had missed this, but I
know this night told me this. He's got some daddy
thing with Knight and Alford. It's a really weird thing.
Dan and the previous guy the ad and Buckner's the
ahead of the board of trustees, previous guy Rick green Span.
(33:59):
They had lector didn't like Alford. He was in Illinois State.
They had some kind of hassle. Dan I've never understood it.
I've said, ex.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
So, Quinn Buckner's daddy issue with Bob Knight and therefore
doesn't want Steve Alford.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
I've never been able and I'm asked Steve, and that's
all I've ever You know, it's just a weird thing
where Buckner's jealous of the relationship or and you know,
nobody will admit it. But I've heard this for so
many years, and Buckner again, he's ahead. Look whether it's
true or not, I bet you know. I always say
(34:36):
gun to head, gun to head. I think it's true
as hell. Buckner and Woodson were boys when Night was
first in Indiana.
Speaker 9 (34:44):
He kind of legally cheated.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
He got Woody, and I think Buckner, I know Scott
May involved with a guy named Steve Ferguson, one of
the richest guys. They bought all the hotel, they bought
all the apartments in Bloomington. Alford wasn't a part of
the It's just a it's a ridiculous, idiotic, stupid Desperate
Housewives kind of a program that hopefully now we got
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a decent dude in there that can coach some ball.
West Virginia fans. You can suck it. I love that
you're mad.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
Go away. Indiana got a good dude, Let's go.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
He's Dan Dakiche, host of Don't at Me podcast on
out Kick. He played for Bob Knight in Indiana. You
coached with him. Was there any joy when you played
for Bob Knight?
Speaker 9 (35:33):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (35:34):
I always say it was fun, and the fun was
when you got his approval. The fun was how big
the program was, how revered you were. But you know,
Dan Fife and I always talk about this as white
dudes that aren't very fast. Everybody thinks they're better than you,
Like everybody that was third team All Conference in their
(35:56):
little conference, you know, couldn't wait to play in the hype.
But playing basketball Indiana, I don't know if it was fun.
Speaker 9 (36:05):
I don't know. Is that the same as joy. I
don't know.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
I had a blast. I liked when he got crazy.
I loved watching his eyebrows grow. Randy Whitman told me
that he'll yell, his eyebrows will grow.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
But I loved everything about it. I love the place.
Uh yeah, no it was.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I will tell you to scare you did night scare.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
You scare me? No, not at all. Make you question
everything about yourself, yes, like could you play? Like could
you think? Like he would ask me Dan.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
He would go, hey, Doccas, you're either too dumb to
understand this or you don't listen to me. And I'm like, man, hey, coach,
I listened to every word you said. I'm just stupid,
like just a moron coach, you know. But no, he
made you question if you were working hard enough. He
(37:01):
made you question. And you know, he's like my dad.
My dad was the principal in Gary, Indiana High School
principal he was. He was like my dad, And I
loved it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Is Rick Pattino a feel good story?
Speaker 10 (37:16):
I think it's a yeah. I like redemption. I like
the fact that Rick Patino humbled himself. He went to Greece.
You know, it's funny. I was talking to some coaches
about him going to Greece and winning that league. Dan,
that league is a big time, big time lead. He
won that thing twice, and I remember thinking, I don't care.
(37:36):
You know, I don't care the backstory. I think Rick
Patino I would have hired him in a second.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
And Dan.
Speaker 10 (37:42):
The other thing is, I wish Louisville would do this.
I wish Louisville would say, screw you were putting the
banner from thirteen backup. N Cuba is feckless right now, Dan,
And well, okay, get mad at us.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Good for you, don't I don't care. I really wish
they would do that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Would you do that if you're Michigan the final.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Yeah, final four. Maybe a little different.
Speaker 10 (38:07):
And those guys held whoever allegedly was going to jail
if the Martin guy didn't die. You know, for a
lot that got a little bit what's the right I
got a little bit too much in the courts for me.
But I think I would. Now, you know, I haven't
thought about it. I'm just thinking about that for the
first time. Yeah, I think I probably would. I think
i'd say, look, these games were played, we won them.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
You know.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
I like it. It's like I used to tell my kids, Dan,
you're mad at me. Really, I still tell them, you're
mad at me. Go stand over there in the corner
and be mad and let me know when you're not
mad anymore and come back. That's yeah, I would. Yeah,
I would put those banners up at Michigan. I certainly
would do it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Louisville absolutely sneaky team that you like in the tournament.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
You know, it's funny. Everybody likes Drake, and I love
Drake's coach. But I saw today seventy one percent of
the money bet on Drake.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
That tells me bet against Drake.
Speaker 10 (39:02):
Every time the you know, the public goes on someone
I go against, I will tell your team I'm fascinated
by and Dan.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
That's Wisconsin.
Speaker 10 (39:11):
You know, Dan, with Mike Trico and I used to
do this when we were broadcast, we wouldn't look at
the line until game time, and then I would ask him, Mike,
what's the over under? And he was really good, like
he would you know, I think he cheated, but he
would nail it. But with Wisconsin, the over under was
always like one twenty something, right, one eighteen.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
They can get in the eighties, they can get high seventies.
Speaker 10 (39:37):
I'm fascinated because Dan, they have switched their entire operation.
Speaker 9 (39:43):
I mean when you.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
And I were in college, Dan, we went in my
time in Indiana seventeen years we went what first sixteen
years we went thirty one and one against Wisconsin. And
so they they got Dick Bennett, they went a different way.
Now they're going up and down I'm fascinated to see
how they do. And I'll tell you what I like Kentucky.
(40:05):
I don't know why I got them going to the
Final four. D I just I like their team. I'm
not mad at their path.
Speaker 9 (40:14):
I just do.
Speaker 10 (40:15):
And you know, one of the sleeper teams that I like.
I'm anxious to see what high Point does today against Purdue.
And I'll tell you why. I've never seen a guy
used more than Brayden Smith is used at Purdue.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
Like Dan.
Speaker 10 (40:29):
They don't have a second ball handler. Kid's a first
team All American. He's asked to do everything, and I
mean everything, and I thought, I'm not you know, I'm
one of those guys. A shut up, put some dirt
on it.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
Let's go.
Speaker 10 (40:41):
I don't want to hear about you being tired. But Dan,
that dude legitimately should be wore out. And I'm anxious
high Point gets up and down.
Speaker 9 (40:49):
They can score it. They got a good coach.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
I'm looking forward to that game, and I'm looking forward
to Creighton and Louisville.
Speaker 9 (40:54):
Louisville got job, Creighton got job eight nine game, my.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Ass, Yeah, that'll be just you know, Creighton's got a
lot of things that you need to advance in the tournament.
I'll leave you with this. Your days is a player
as a coach, as an assistant coach. The best performance
you ever saw by a player was turned in by who.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
Calbert Cheney against Louisville in the NCAA Tournament, Dwayne Morton.
Dwayne Morton was really good back then and Calbert. He
said something to Calbert. I don't know if this is
the best, but Calvert was a player of the year.
Morton said something and Calbert just went stupid.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 10 (41:35):
Dan, like Calvert was the nicest guy in America, easiest
guy in the history of basketball to coach every day.
And I never saw this until this guy, Dwayne Morton
came at him and Dan it was like guys talking
about Michael Jordan when you said something to him. He
had an electricity. It was in the regional I think
(41:55):
it was in the sweet sixteen, maybe ninety three. He
dunked on, got face to face and I'm sitting there going,
wait a second, here, hang on, baby, that's pretty damn good.
Speaker 9 (42:07):
Shack. We beat Shack. He made all twelve of his
free throws in ninety two, his last game. True stories.
He had thirty six and made all of his free throws.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
And I told Matt and over the guy that guarded him,
I said, Mat, I've never said this about a dude
that got thirty six on you, But that was a
hell of a defensive performance.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
What was the performance better than your performance against Michael Jordan?
Speaker 10 (42:33):
Nothing will ever surpass that, Dan, nothing in the history
of bast.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
You've been dining out on that for decades. That you
held Jordan under twenty.
Speaker 10 (42:43):
Hell, Jordan under ten. I filed out, he got four more.
He ended up with thirteen. I was a little pissed
about that thing.
Speaker 9 (42:48):
Kick.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Did you say anything to him at all during that?
I mean, he wasn't Michael Jordan then they were playing
him in college, but didn't know he's still there that
you were, you know, you could get him fired up.
Speaker 10 (43:02):
No, you know, Dan, I don't know if you remember this,
but Orlando Woolridge and Notre Dame beat Virginia and Ralph
Samson and I was at the game and Orlando Woolridge said,
I didn't say a word to Ralph. I just stayed
behind him and next to him, didn't say a word.
And I thought about that and I did that during
that game. I didn't say a word. But if he
(43:22):
was back, you know, somebody shooting free throws and he
was at half corner, I stood next to him. If
he was on the free throw line, I stood down.
I just I don't know why I did, though. Dan,
we played golf that summer. I beat him out of
sixth grand and I talked a lot of hish that night. Dan,
I'm not gonna lie to you. I told him, I'll
play it for any dime you want. I'll play it
(43:44):
for everything you want, because you suck and I'm good,
and I'm gonna kick the living out of you. And
he owed me six grand by the end of the day,
and the course, being Michael Jordan, he never paid, but hey,
I don't care.
Speaker 9 (43:55):
It's a good story.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Keep starting it up. Great to talk to you so always, Bud,
Thanks brother, see you. That's Dan dakch
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