May 15, 2025 • 10 mins
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- They said VR would be huge...but they were wrong--why??
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All I got was dirty looks in a sore neck.
I don't need that.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's one more thing.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'm strong and geddy, one more thing. It's hard to
imagine where this is going.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
One of the great companies of the world, Apple with
one of the great fails. Nobody really talks about anymore,
but Jack. It probably still stings you a little bit.
The thirty five hundred dollars Vision Pro.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Ah, why does it stingy VR thing?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Did you buy that one?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I bought one for someone.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay, so the headline in the Wall Street Journal they
paid thirty five hundred dollars for.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Apples Vision Pro. Year later. It still hurts.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The mixed reality headset launched with great promise, but all
these buyers got were dirty looks and sore necks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't need that.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, it you don't ever hear anybody talk about it.
It was the most extraordinary VR experience I've ever had,
by far, I mean, multiples better than anything else I'd
ever tried. The problem still exists of Okay, that is
really really super cool.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
M No, I got other things to do. I mean,
there's just.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, I don't think anybody I had a VR experience
in the station that was a fraction the quality of
what you've described from the Vision Pro, and and found
it just astounding and interesting. And I thought, I've got
to get one of these systems. One of these days,
I'm going to get one of these systems. And I
never did, right. I just think this staying power, or
(01:34):
the power to continue to amuse or use it isn't
what all of us imagined it would be.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, so had he ever done one of these just
out of curiosity?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I have the I have the Meta Quest.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, my kids use that occasionally, but not near as
much as you'd think they would, not as much as
you'd think they would.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I haven't touched it in months.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, that's the problem with all that's do you get
motion sickness?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
No? I get headaches though.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Okay, well similar sort of thing. Then that's my number one.
I would probably own the Apple Vision Pro. If I
didn't get motion sickness. I would use it for I mean,
like for watching movies. Even if you just use it
for your Apple TV and you're watching four K and
the biggest screen you've ever seen in your life, it's
fantastic or anything like that, But get I get motion
(02:20):
sickness so bad, like a third to half of people do.
That's the biggest hang up to anything VR is the
motion sickness problem. Until they cure that, I don't see
how it's ever gonna amount too much.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I was sure I was going to have that problem
when we did the demonstration of the station, but I didn't,
to my surprise, cause you know, I can't. I can't
ride the damn tea cups at Disneyland because any any
like weird visual stuff goes on, I'm in complete pass
out in puke mode.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Bother, that's interesting that the actual physical thing gives you that,
because I don't get that, but I do from the
the I stuff. And like I did the ride at
Universe Studios, the Simpsons ride, which is all a fake
roller coaster. You sit in a little thing, you put
on the reality vision thing and it's really really cool,
(03:10):
but it made.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Me so nauseous. I was sick the rest of the day.
It was horrible.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I took a little bit of an issue and with
the quest I had the little headset that you put
in so you get like the full immersed.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I had a real issue with having lost all control
of my surroundings on like actual planet Earth.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Oh really, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Something really bothered me that, Like, if somebody walked into
my house, Oh, I was rummaging through my stuff, I
would have zero idea because I have this thing strapped
to my forehead.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, there is a little bit of that. Yeah. I
did a VR thing in La one time.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It was where you you walked around with dinosaurs. It
was just stunning, cool, absolutely stunning. I would the experience
of sitting by a lake with the Apple Vision Quest
on my head or the Apple Pro on my head.
I can still remember. I can still almost feel when
I think about it. It was so amazing. It was
(04:06):
actually like being next to a lake. That experience was
so fantastic. I could see why you'd want to do
that on a regular basis. But it's pretty pretty expensive.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So this one dude, Quintin in the article, he's a realtor.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
He's got them realtor eyes.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, uh, he says, of your watching movies and stuff,
he says, Oh, I guess he's talking about using it
for work.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But he said it's way too heavy.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I can't wear it for more than twenty or thirty
minutes without it hurting my neck.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I was thinking if i'd watch movies, I'd just lay
in bed on my back looking straight up. I'd be
pretty comfortable.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Buyers who wore them in the wild say they got
nothing but dirty looks and sore next. Now the devices
are daily reminders of they're misplaced.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Bravado, who was going out in public wearing one of those.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, well that was the idea.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, you don't have to look at it, you look
through it to give VR assistance everywhere you go.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I don't want to live in that world.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't either, the I think the heaviness.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Well, so I don't do computer stuff, but if you
have a job where you do computer stuff, you can
have everything up on your screen in front of you. You
can have multiple screens. You move it around with your eyes,
your hands, or you look at things and you click
with your fingers. I mean, it's it's pretty cool, but
apparently it's not cool enough to make people who do
a lot of work on computers rather do that than
(05:26):
sit in front of their screens.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
In their office.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Yeah, Michael, No, it's just been my experience at any
of these products over the years involves you putting something
on your head, whether it's three D glasses for TV.
I remember a couple of years ago was supposed to
be big.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, maybe people just like it, accept the idea of
putting something on your head. I thought the Apple Vision
Pro might catch on with people who are pretty frequent travelers.
You aren't just waked looking at your phone to watch
a movie. You're taking in like the greatest Imax theater,
sitting in the seat of your plane. But I don't
think I've ever seen one human being with one of
(06:00):
those on their face on a plane now.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
And according to the Google, these things weigh about a
pound and a half. So if you think about that
amount of weight when you're trying to move your neck
around and stuff that kind of residual pole, I could
see how that can start messing things up if you
wear it too much.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, that's so funny. You should bring that up.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The next thing they talk about is this one dude
who takes his vision pro on flights to watch movies.
I get pretty dirty looks from people.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't need that, he says, But then funny people.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Care about that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I don't give a crap. If you give me a
dirty look. I would never notice what you think what
I'm doing is I can't even imagine caring.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But another reason the thirty five year old stopped flying
with it. The size of the case sold separately for
one hundred ninety nine bucks. The vision pros pillow like
white protector is about a foot tall, nine inches wide,
six and a half inches deep.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It takes up like half the volume of my carry on.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's a fair amount of equipment you got to carry
with this because the battery to have four K at
that I mean, to have that level of graphics takes
a pretty powerful back.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You be able to do it free length of time,
and you got to carry that around with you.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So I'm looking at eBay and here's one for two
grand twenty four hundred, twenty six hundred, twenty nine hundred. Ooh,
here's one for two hundred and fifty six gigabytes and accessories.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Does that matter, Jack, You.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Don't need to worry about the gigabytes.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, not yet anyway, eighteen hundred and nineteen hundred. Here's
one for sixteen hundred and twenty five bucks.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
That's about yeah, Because I was looking at them at
that long ago. A couple grand will get you a
good one that's hardly been used. If you want to
try it out, they make one that's a terrabyte or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You just don't. You don't need that much. It doesn't
do you any good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Oh okay, interesting, you know for for sixteen hundred bucks,
I guess I could see it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Can you like? Can you like tour?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Great? The great cities of the world, do they have
that sort of a.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
There are a few things like that. That is one
of the drawbacks. I've done a lot of reading about this,
because I almost bought one for myself. The big hold
up is apps. It didn't catch on enough that there
was enough money in it for any of the big
app makers to really pour a lot of R and
D into making great apps, like happened with the iPhone.
iPhone shows up and then all of a sudden they realized, Wow,
(08:13):
this is a great opportunity. We should, you know, do
everything we can to come up with an app people up.
That has not happened with the Apple Vision pro so
there just since it's been out a couple of years,
there haven't been many great apps come along real really
hardly any.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Wow Wow, here's this one guy, an Apple super fan
who thought the vision Pro could be the next iPhone.
He flew to New York from Israel last year to
be one of the first people to buy the headset.
At the store, he met Tim Cook and got him
to sign the back of his iPhone and his vision
pros box.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It's incredibly impressive. You just got to figure out what
would I use this for and when? If you haven't
done the demo, It's really easy to set one up
at an Apple store. You know you're at gonna be
at the mall. Set one up, going there and they'll
demonstrate it for you. It's stunning.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
He says he doesn't regret the purchase. He still loves
watching movies with his Vision Pro, especially three D films
like the recent Metallica, sold as an immersive experience of
the heavy metal band stadium filling live shows.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It feels like you're at the concert, he says.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
If I was childless, I would own one, but I thought, Okay,
so I got this great, I'm gonna watch one.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I never watch movies alone. I watch movies with my kids,
so it's no use to me.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Sitting in the living room with your kids. Oh guys,
you should see this is about.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
You can't watch this great movie I'm watching while you
sit and stare at your dad on a Friday night.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Or the three can sit there each wearing a thirty
five hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Dollars spend ten grand exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
That was the other thing that they thought might catch on,
is that like you have one on here and your
daughter in another town has it on, and you communicate
that way with your avatar.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But it sounds great, it sounds great, but people don't
seem to be doing it.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Oh figure, Well, we'll see what happens. But I think
this thing's gonna slowly fade away to be one of
those products we're gonna look back at and go remember when, Yeah, well,
I guess that's it.
All I got was dirty looks in a sore neck.
I don't need that.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's one more thing.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'm strong and geddy, one more thing. It's hard to
imagine where this is going.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
One of the great companies of the world, Apple with
one of the great fails. Nobody really talks about anymore,
but Jack. It probably still stings you a little bit.
The thirty five hundred dollars Vision Pro.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Ah, why does it stingy VR thing?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Did you buy that one?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I bought one for someone.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay, so the headline in the Wall Street Journal they
paid thirty five hundred dollars for.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Apples Vision Pro. Year later. It still hurts.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The mixed reality headset launched with great promise, but all
these buyers got were dirty looks and sore necks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't need that.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, it you don't ever hear anybody talk about it.
It was the most extraordinary VR experience I've ever had,
by far, I mean, multiples better than anything else I'd
ever tried. The problem still exists of Okay, that is
really really super cool.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
M No, I got other things to do. I mean,
there's just.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, I don't think anybody I had a VR experience
in the station that was a fraction the quality of
what you've described from the Vision Pro, and and found
it just astounding and interesting. And I thought, I've got
to get one of these systems. One of these days,
I'm going to get one of these systems. And I
never did, right. I just think this staying power, or
(01:34):
the power to continue to amuse or use it isn't
what all of us imagined it would be.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, so had he ever done one of these just
out of curiosity?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I have the I have the Meta Quest.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, my kids use that occasionally, but not near as
much as you'd think they would, not as much as
you'd think they would.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I haven't touched it in months.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, that's the problem with all that's do you get
motion sickness?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
No? I get headaches though.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Okay, well similar sort of thing. Then that's my number one.
I would probably own the Apple Vision Pro. If I
didn't get motion sickness. I would use it for I mean,
like for watching movies. Even if you just use it
for your Apple TV and you're watching four K and
the biggest screen you've ever seen in your life, it's
fantastic or anything like that, But get I get motion
(02:20):
sickness so bad, like a third to half of people do.
That's the biggest hang up to anything VR is the
motion sickness problem. Until they cure that, I don't see
how it's ever gonna amount too much.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I was sure I was going to have that problem
when we did the demonstration of the station, but I didn't,
to my surprise, cause you know, I can't. I can't
ride the damn tea cups at Disneyland because any any
like weird visual stuff goes on, I'm in complete pass
out in puke mode.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Bother, that's interesting that the actual physical thing gives you that,
because I don't get that, but I do from the
the I stuff. And like I did the ride at
Universe Studios, the Simpsons ride, which is all a fake
roller coaster. You sit in a little thing, you put
on the reality vision thing and it's really really cool,
(03:10):
but it made.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Me so nauseous. I was sick the rest of the day.
It was horrible.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I took a little bit of an issue and with
the quest I had the little headset that you put
in so you get like the full immersed.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I had a real issue with having lost all control
of my surroundings on like actual planet Earth.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Oh really, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Something really bothered me that, Like, if somebody walked into
my house, Oh, I was rummaging through my stuff, I
would have zero idea because I have this thing strapped
to my forehead.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, there is a little bit of that. Yeah. I
did a VR thing in La one time.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It was where you you walked around with dinosaurs. It
was just stunning, cool, absolutely stunning. I would the experience
of sitting by a lake with the Apple Vision Quest
on my head or the Apple Pro on my head.
I can still remember. I can still almost feel when
I think about it. It was so amazing. It was
(04:06):
actually like being next to a lake. That experience was
so fantastic. I could see why you'd want to do
that on a regular basis. But it's pretty pretty expensive.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So this one dude, Quintin in the article, he's a realtor.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
He's got them realtor eyes.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, uh, he says, of your watching movies and stuff,
he says, Oh, I guess he's talking about using it
for work.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But he said it's way too heavy.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I can't wear it for more than twenty or thirty
minutes without it hurting my neck.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I was thinking if i'd watch movies, I'd just lay
in bed on my back looking straight up. I'd be
pretty comfortable.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Buyers who wore them in the wild say they got
nothing but dirty looks and sore next. Now the devices
are daily reminders of they're misplaced.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Bravado, who was going out in public wearing one of those.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, well that was the idea.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, you don't have to look at it, you look
through it to give VR assistance everywhere you go.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I don't want to live in that world.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't either, the I think the heaviness.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Well, so I don't do computer stuff, but if you
have a job where you do computer stuff, you can
have everything up on your screen in front of you. You
can have multiple screens. You move it around with your eyes,
your hands, or you look at things and you click
with your fingers. I mean, it's it's pretty cool, but
apparently it's not cool enough to make people who do
a lot of work on computers rather do that than
(05:26):
sit in front of their screens.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
In their office.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Yeah, Michael, No, it's just been my experience at any
of these products over the years involves you putting something
on your head, whether it's three D glasses for TV.
I remember a couple of years ago was supposed to
be big.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, maybe people just like it, accept the idea of
putting something on your head. I thought the Apple Vision
Pro might catch on with people who are pretty frequent travelers.
You aren't just waked looking at your phone to watch
a movie. You're taking in like the greatest Imax theater,
sitting in the seat of your plane. But I don't
think I've ever seen one human being with one of
(06:00):
those on their face on a plane now.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
And according to the Google, these things weigh about a
pound and a half. So if you think about that
amount of weight when you're trying to move your neck
around and stuff that kind of residual pole, I could
see how that can start messing things up if you
wear it too much.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, that's so funny. You should bring that up.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The next thing they talk about is this one dude
who takes his vision pro on flights to watch movies.
I get pretty dirty looks from people.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't need that, he says, But then funny people.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Care about that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I don't give a crap. If you give me a
dirty look. I would never notice what you think what
I'm doing is I can't even imagine caring.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But another reason the thirty five year old stopped flying
with it. The size of the case sold separately for
one hundred ninety nine bucks. The vision pros pillow like
white protector is about a foot tall, nine inches wide,
six and a half inches deep.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It takes up like half the volume of my carry on.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's a fair amount of equipment you got to carry
with this because the battery to have four K at
that I mean, to have that level of graphics takes
a pretty powerful back.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You be able to do it free length of time,
and you got to carry that around with you.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So I'm looking at eBay and here's one for two
grand twenty four hundred, twenty six hundred, twenty nine hundred. Ooh,
here's one for two hundred and fifty six gigabytes and accessories.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Does that matter, Jack, You.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Don't need to worry about the gigabytes.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, not yet anyway, eighteen hundred and nineteen hundred. Here's
one for sixteen hundred and twenty five bucks.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
That's about yeah, Because I was looking at them at
that long ago. A couple grand will get you a
good one that's hardly been used. If you want to
try it out, they make one that's a terrabyte or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You just don't. You don't need that much. It doesn't
do you any good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Oh okay, interesting, you know for for sixteen hundred bucks,
I guess I could see it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Can you like? Can you like tour?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Great? The great cities of the world, do they have
that sort of a.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
There are a few things like that. That is one
of the drawbacks. I've done a lot of reading about this,
because I almost bought one for myself. The big hold
up is apps. It didn't catch on enough that there
was enough money in it for any of the big
app makers to really pour a lot of R and
D into making great apps, like happened with the iPhone.
iPhone shows up and then all of a sudden they realized, Wow,
(08:13):
this is a great opportunity. We should, you know, do
everything we can to come up with an app people up.
That has not happened with the Apple Vision pro so
there just since it's been out a couple of years,
there haven't been many great apps come along real really
hardly any.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Wow Wow, here's this one guy, an Apple super fan
who thought the vision Pro could be the next iPhone.
He flew to New York from Israel last year to
be one of the first people to buy the headset.
At the store, he met Tim Cook and got him
to sign the back of his iPhone and his vision
pros box.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It's incredibly impressive. You just got to figure out what
would I use this for and when? If you haven't
done the demo, It's really easy to set one up
at an Apple store. You know you're at gonna be
at the mall. Set one up, going there and they'll
demonstrate it for you. It's stunning.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
He says he doesn't regret the purchase. He still loves
watching movies with his Vision Pro, especially three D films
like the recent Metallica, sold as an immersive experience of
the heavy metal band stadium filling live shows.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It feels like you're at the concert, he says.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
If I was childless, I would own one, but I thought, Okay,
so I got this great, I'm gonna watch one.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I never watch movies alone. I watch movies with my kids,
so it's no use to me.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Sitting in the living room with your kids. Oh guys,
you should see this is about.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
You can't watch this great movie I'm watching while you
sit and stare at your dad on a Friday night.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Or the three can sit there each wearing a thirty
five hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Dollars spend ten grand exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
That was the other thing that they thought might catch on,
is that like you have one on here and your
daughter in another town has it on, and you communicate
that way with your avatar.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But it sounds great, it sounds great, but people don't
seem to be doing it.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Oh figure, Well, we'll see what happens. But I think
this thing's gonna slowly fade away to be one of
those products we're gonna look back at and go remember when, Yeah, well,
I guess that's it.
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In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
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