December 25, 2024 • 35 mins
Featured during Hour 1 of the Wednesday, December 25, 2024 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay...
- Keith Jarrett & Divorced Dads...
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- Photo Editing Fun...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Either way, enjoy, Thanks for being here, Katie or or
anybody can answer this question. Do you know who Keith
Jarrett is?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I know the name, which is where I was about
a week ago.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Okay, so I Jarrett. I like all kinds of music
like there is on a song by song basis. There
is no genre I don't like really except for metal.
I just have never been able to get in any metal.
But other than that, every genre there are songs I
like and songs I don't what songs I like. And
so I'm like really into learning to play the piano
the last couple of years, and I watch a lot
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of videos about piano and some guys I like, were
doing an all time greatest pianist's list the other day.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Who are the goats?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Are you familiar that people now refer to goats as plural?
It's a plural.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
No, no, no, that doesn't work at all. Sorry, you're wrong.
Apparently I'm wrong too. I've just become aware enough times.
Now you name goats. These three are the goats? The
greatest of all time?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, I don't get it, but that's the way people
refer to it. I get what, honestly, although that is silly,
you know, grammatically speaking, I much prefer that who's the
greatest guitar player? That's an idiotic question. So now you say, if.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You want to name a bunch of people are on
the very top tier. Great, that's what people mean when
they say go now. Anyway, So one of the goats
was this Keith Jarrett piano player who I had heard of,
but like I'd tried to listen to before and couldn't
get into. Maybe I just wasn't ready for it yet.
Sometimes that is the case with music, You're not ready
for it yet for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Fairly com is this, like, is this a new artist
or is this no? OK, he's still alive.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
He doesn't perform anymore because he had some strokes and
can't play the piano anymore, but he is considered among
jazz musicians like one of the top. Rick Bato, the
music producer, has got a YouTube video that millions of
people have watched an interview with Keith Jarrett and calls
him one of the great music composers of the last
century at least. I mean, he's just an absolute genius,
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and a genius in the fact that most of his
famous albums are completely improvised.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That was his thing.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He walks into a stadium and the feel of the piano,
the crowd, the room, the day, he just makes it up,
you know, like four songs oh he plays and uh.
And he even says that like if he has an idea,
he discounts it. He doesn't want to have an idea
before he goes out there. He just wants to feel
at as he goes. And it's just okay, starting you
to hear some if that were me, So go ahead
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and start the song, Michael, because I'm going to talk
about it over this And so one of the recommendations
I was looking up to some of the best Keith
Jarrett stuff, and one of the recommendations was this song.
It's from live Bordeaux concert Live. Most of his famous
stuff is live, like I said, all improvised. Crank it
up enough that we can hear. This is part one.
Where does the singing start? There's no singing, it's instrumental.
(03:23):
This is part three. There's just four parts. Like I said,
he's improvising it. So he just does four songs ranging
from four to fifteen minutes long, just however long he's
feeling it. Crowd goes wild. If the crowd reacts poorly,
he yells at them. He's very touchy artists sort of person.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, where do you get off? There a drum solo?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
There's no drum solo, and you good crank it up
because this is what's interesting. So I became obsessed with
this song on Sundays after the Grammy's. Interestingly enough, I
became aware of it and I listened to the whole
thing while I was walking the dog, and it hit
me in a way like I don't remember the last
time a song has hit me like this, And I
probably listened to it ten times that night, including in
(04:04):
bed with my headphones on while I was falling asleep,
maybe ten times.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The next day in the rain, I send it to
some people.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It's just a affected being so much in such a way.
Now I'm getting to the punchline that you're gonna find
quite hilarious. Oh boy, on this song affecting me so much.
It's like, man, this isn't really like even my sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I mean, it's just so and it gets slightly more complex.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, it's just very pretty sweet piano music.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's four minutes here, let me read this.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I started doing a little research on famous Keith
Jarrett albums, and this album has four and five stars
from all your big jazz magazines and top reviewers of
all time and that sort of stuff, and particularly this song.
Here's one of the reviews for this song from McSweeney's.
It's one of the most respected jazz critics of all time.
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A note for Divorced Dads on Keith Jarrett's Bordeaux Concert
Part three.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And I thought, what what.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
One would have a difficult time finding a musical composition
that better suits the emotions of a recently divorced dad
than Keith Jarrett's Bordeaux Concert, Part three.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
If I happened upon.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
A divorced dad driving around looking for coffee in his
twenty eighteen Ford f one fifty or something, I would
stop him and play.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It for him. It gives me goosebumps actually reading this.
This is free key.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, it's a guy who drove a twenty fifteen for
one fifty. The entirety of the piece is four minutes
and four seconds. I cannot think of a reason why
a recently divorced dad couldn't find that kind of time.
Once the divorce dad and I had an understanding, we
would venture into the composition. It begins with the stable
rolling chords that gently rooted the piece, drawing up imagery
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of a young couple holding hands in a tall grass.
They're one entity zeygeide of relationship. And it goes on
and on like this through the whole relationship, falling in love,
being in love, deciding to have kids, having kids, it
becoming difficult, and falling apart, the divorce happening, you trying
to raise your kids on your own. At the end
(06:16):
of this song, and then he ends actually with now
go pick up your kid from karate practice.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now this is freaking me out.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Turn it out just a little bit, Michael, because nowhere
I think we're into the you realize you're divorced.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you're raising your kids on your own part. I
guess I don't know. Now did Keith Jarrett say any
of this or this is just the reviewer figuring quote
unquote figuring this out. This is one of the leanies.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
This is one of the most famous jazz reviewers of
all time. That's the way he interpreted this music and
me as a recently divorced dad laying in bed listening
to it ten times in a row because it touched
me in a way I can't remember music ever touching me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What the hell is that? That is weird? Well, it
is weird. Holy smuff, I know, isn't that strange? Well, hey,
you got anything for angsty empty nesters? I'd like to
play golf? Yeah? Yeah, Wow, Wow, what a trip. Isn't
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that strange? Though? Yeah? I mean, that's that's beyond strange.
That's uh does he Well, I guess he kind of
sort of explains why, but not no way that I
would find terribly compelling if I came across it anywhere
else in any other context. I think, well, wait a minute,
there are a lot of you know, trips people go
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through in their lives that maybe start like super exciting, promising,
then get kind of rocky, and then you've just got
to make the most of it and move on. I mean,
there are a lot of things like that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But here we are, well, there are also a million
pieces of music that are kind of sweet but modeling.
But you know, whatever, the fact that this well known
jazz critic picks out one of the most respected jazz
pieces in history and as signs this particular meaning to it,
and then I, not knowing that it'd be one thing
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if i'd read that first, but not knowing that at all,
get pulled into this song in a way I don't.
I don't remember the last time I've been pulled into
a song where I listened to it that many times
in a row, if ever, in my life.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's amazing how different music works.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
That's how you felt with that, and I felt like
I was on hold, waiting for a prescription from like CVS.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I agree in any other context I would have been
the same way, and I probably would have listened to
like a minute thought for me and gone to the
next song, and it makes me question my understanding of
you know, abstract art and stuff like that. When I
look at a piece of art in a walm thing,
she's my three year old could do that. That doesn't
mean anything because that music. See, I'm into that normally.
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That kind of music.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, I agree with Hitler, it's it's a ruse, but
that kind of music.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I think it's just kind of meandering, and I understand
some people like it, but it's not really my bag.
The fact that it had such a specific the fact
that he even mentions a.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Es. Okay, so here's here's the deal. Obviously we're we're
sitting here, you know, rolling around in the wonder of it.
We need to know more about this this guru, this sage,
this omniscient McSweeney person. What the hell's going on there?
What sort of psychic witchery is this is that? Does
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he have that ability with all songs in art?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That painting over there, If your cat just got hit
by a car, that's the perfect painting.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
As you're sitting there thinking of little Fluffy and admiring
the brushstrokes, that's just freaky. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Man, Well, let me want to go find all of
my favorite songs and read the reviews on it just
to see lines up.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
One would have a difficult time finding a musical composition
that better suits the emotions of a recently divorced dad
if I happened upon a divorce dad driving around looking
for coffee in his twenty eighteen Ford F one fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And you're a coffee addict.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, I have done that as a I was stopping
a year wrong the hack.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And he left out going to get McDonald's on the
way home.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, that's sure. That doesn't know anything.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's freaky man, laying in bed listening to it in
my headphones in the dark, moved by music in a
way maybe I never have been in my life weird.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Now. I've been trying to think if there's anything that's
been anything similar, any song or music similar to that,
And all I can come up with is is I
discovered an album several years after it was out by
a band from Indiana called Houndmouth, and the song is
my Cousin Greg, and the opening line is my cousin
Greg is a greedy son of a bitch. And I'm
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just I'm not sure what McSweeney would say about that.
I have no cousin Greg, who's a greedy son of
a bitch, so obviously it's not that close a fit.
That's freaky, So I don't know what I'm witching. You
got to look more into this McSweeney dude because he's
a witch or followed me around. Yeah, that'd be my guess.
(11:15):
Although he wrote this years ago, well right, that's weird, man,
I know. That's why I brought it to the podcast.
I just thought this is too effing freaky. Turning to
a new pole. Gen Z doesn't want to go out
to the bars and scream at each other over loud
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music or fifty thousand other people. It seems like sometimes
having a conversation, they'd rather sit around at home and
have a drink or two with their friends.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Why did it take until gen Z to figure that out?
I don't know, and I don't want to like over.
I don't want to dominate the podcast because I'm a
team player. But I have never, even when I was
young and slightly hip and somewhat popular, I didn't want
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to go to bars and yell at each other. You'll
need to crazy, You'll have to weigh in on this, Katie,
because but my experience is I was out at the
bars a lots of times. We're like at a quiet
kind of bar and everybody talking. I say, it's eleven o'clock.
We got to go over to the wehear and I think, why,
we're having a perfectly good time here. We can hear
each other, we're sitting. We're gonna go to some place
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where we're like shuffled around shoulder to shoulders, screaming at
the top of our lungs, are not talking?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Why go ahead, Katie.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, no, I've I went through the phase of every
weekend at the bars and all of that, and I
did too for twenty two years. So it was for
twenty two years, but it was it was a solid
seven you know, and it got exhausting. Now when I
go out to the bars, it's more of that environment
where it's just chilling.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's very quiet, some music, but there's not a lot
of yelling. No, I never, never.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
When I was twenty years old, the drinking age was
eighteen when I went to college. When I was twenty
years old, I had no interest in going to the
big throbbing club and yelling at the person next to me.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Thank God for you refrain from saying big throbbing club
if you can. Yeah, I've just I've never had that
in me. This golf club where I play golf mostly
opened up a new bar and it's like quiet and
classy and set up for like conversation areas where four
to six people can sit and chat and have a
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drink and all in and Judy and I went there
and we were like, oh my god, this is perfect.
And then we ran into some friends of ours who
really aren't great people, but the dude was like, oh
my god, did they waste that space?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I couldn't hate it off. Where are the TVs with
the play by play going and the energy? We want energy?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I want no energy, less energy. I bring no energy
and I want none thrust upon me. With restaurants, I
hope gen Z kills loud restaurants, you know whenever. It
was in the mid nineties that they decided to take
all the baffling out of the ceilings and have it
be open brick and pipes so you can get as
much sound reverberating as possible. So it's just deafeningly loud,
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and every clink of every glass and fork and the
whole place echoes in your head?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Who wants that?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I guess where it's just acceptable to be obnoxiously loud
at the table, Like I remember when being in a restaurant.
You know, you had manners and you had to be
kind of quiet and polite, and then you've got tables
next to you just screaming and having a pull blown
party and it's normal now.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Well, speaking of being a team player, obviously we're a
group of at least somewhat grumpy, somewhat introverted people. But
some people obviously are energized by that. They like it.
It gives them more energy. As they say about extroverts
and introverts. Being around people energizes extroverts and it drains
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the energy from introverts. And it must be that way
with like loud bars and restaurants and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, but are you arguing that the percentage of people
that are introverts as higher among Gen Z or do
they just wise up to why are we standing in
this super loud bar?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Interesting question? Good lord, I can't come close to answering it.
Here are the stats, let's see, bubba. The new survey
finds the two and three gen Z wine enthusiasts. So
this is people who'd rather drink wine for what that's
worth two out of three out for the comfort of
their homes. When it comes to drinking specifically home pull
of two thousand American adults between twenty one and twenty
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six found those who enjoy wine, only twenty three percent
would choose to go to a bar, and only eighteen
percent would opt for drinking at some sort of live event.
For gen Z wine enthusiasts, having a glass as an
opportunity to be social as hanging out with friends tops
the list of activities they prefer to partake in while drinking.
But they'd really rather do it at home than out
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anywhere because the cost living so high for young people
and they're trying to save money. That was the other
thing because, especially because I was pretty poor when I
was young, is I could afford like a beer if
we went out, I could have a couple at home.
End of discussion.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, that wasn't the right kind of bar. I like
the more like the more like people in boots bars,
because that's where I could sidle up to a table
to girls and they wouldn't notice that I was drinking
all their picture beer because I couldn't afford.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
To buy beer.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That guy and well girls oftentimes get pictures of beer.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
They aren't gonna drink them. They're not really drinkers. They
just they needed to have it sitting there. It's kind
of a prop. I'll take care of that for you. Wow,
this is a rarity. The judges reporting a ten on resourcefulness,
a ten on creepiness, and a ten on alcoholism. It's
a rare triple ten, a perfect score. Jack Armstrong and
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Joe arm Strong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
By the way, Katie, I really like your T shirt.
Yeah no, yeah, yeah. So we got to talking on
the radio show about the editing of photos just in general,
because so many people do it and it's so effortless.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now I don't have.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
The Google phone, but I was just reading so the
Wall Street Journal had an article, when is it okay
to alter the family photo? Who doesn't alter big family photos?
And and if you didn't before the but I mean,
like back in the old days when you'd go get
a professional photo done and everything like that, they were
altering them for you. They were all brightening them up
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or list them or whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And some every every group photo I take, I make
sure everybody looks top notch, because I don't want to
hear it afterwards.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh yeah, why did you post that one? I look
bad in that one?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh, like, no, I went through. I made my best
effort to make all of you look good. So doing
what For instance, sometimes someone's will be closed, you can
open them. Somebody's not smiling when they usually would, you
can give them a smile.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
What app or phone are you using to do that?
Face tune? Face tune? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So the Google Pixel thing. You've probably seen the ads.
It looks fantastic. But they've got a thing called best
Take where you do a blast of photos and then
you can pick each individual face. This is the best
one from this one. This is the best one in
you know, in a group photo. That's which sounds like
was more or less what they did there at Kensington
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Palace with the royal family. I'm surprised they don't have
more sophisticated software than they did well. According to their statement,
Prince Will, I don't even hardly know these people's names.
Prince Vine. Prince Will took the picture last week and
Kate edited, and then she edited. I guess like a
lot of wives probably do. If their husband takes a
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bad photo.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't know. This whole thing is because there was
a big.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Conspiracy theory that she was dead after this abdominal surgery
she had because she hadn't been seen in the public,
and now they're trying to find any reason they can
to keep that conspiracy alive.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I e.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
They edited this photo and she's not really around or something.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's what I've been reading. Yeah, okay, that's that's That
doesn't explain all of the coverage, but certainly some of it.
Now I'm willing to concede that I may be an
outlier in this stuff. You know, to Katie's point, I
don't hang out with people who'd give a single crap.
I mean, unless they're like I take a picture and
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in the background they're with their lover and their wife
doesn't know about it. They might be worried about that.
But you certainly, yeah, they'd ask me to. But I've
just I'm now, if we're talking about bringing out a
little contrast or something like that, a filter because it
was a little bright there or something, I mean, that's
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just that's how you make decent looking for photographs. But
like slimming people and you know, give them a better
smile or white in their teeth and stuff like that.
I just it makes me uncomfortable. I feel like it's
divorcing reality from perception in a way that's unhealthy. Do
you ever do you ever slim people? Katie? No, No,
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that's not that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
But I see your point, Joe, as you're drawing the
line basically at contrast and lighting.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, Joe's drawing very bright lines between good people and
bad people. So we got to figure out which end
of the line. We're all all this must.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Be what it's like to be in a hearing in Congress,
So we need to find out which side of Joe's
good people bad people line were on. So you're okay
with contrast and bright? We have a format? Okay, great?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But yes, are you okay with the You got a
bunch of photos and you put the smile on everybody's
best smile in the photo.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Are you okay with that or not? It seems ridiculous
to me, Although if each of those individual images existed,
just not at the same time, I will allow it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Like a fly lands on somebody's face and you make
a weird face trying to get the fly off, You're
just gonna.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Leave it like that for that guy, Or here's a question,
what have you gained by and what have you lost
by not including that image? I don't know. You are
serving the idea of always looking unrealistically beautiful or or great,
as opposed to capturing a moment where something really funny
hat well, speaking for.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Myself, it's hard for me to wrap my head around
this because I don't have the motivation because I don't
have any social media that I post pictures on, so
nobody ever sees them but me and other people in
my family. Sometimes me and the kids go through my phone.
But so I'm not posting these for any stuff. So
maybe I would be more motivated to if I posted
these where anybody would see them. But like I know
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someone who who who clearly uses the thinning thing whenever
they post pictures, because I see them on a regular basis,
and I know that that's not what they look like, and.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
That one I that I wonder about, I just think
that's fundamentally unhealthy. To thine own self be true is
like my my guiding principle for everything in life, because
and it's not I'm not coming off as high handed.
I think I may be better than some people at
least at recognizing my weaknesses and realizing you are really
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tempted to do that. That's one of the things you
really need to be careful about. And one of them is,
you know, self delusion or you know, how how would
I put this? And I'm more than willing to concede
that I'm I may be an outlier and a little
bit weird about this, and you live your own life.
I honestly don't care. I don't care enough about the
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way you live your life to judge you unless you're
hurting other people. So don't take anything I say as
some sort of like Jack trying to frame it as
yours exactly. That's probably you know what, Honestly, that's probably
a better way to frame this discussion. It's more entertaining.
This is called Joe's the jerk. I just what are
you doing? Why are you doing that so people think
(23:11):
you're better looking than you are? Why for dating apps
if you're single and you're dating.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
If I was doing that, and I've never done online
dating and I'm never going to, but if I was,
got it be, I don't think I could stop myself
from just slightly slimming your face.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean, fly different questions. Posting pictures of guys who
aren't even me.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
That is a completely different question though, although at a
point though, you're really misleading people. I mean, because I
have heard people talk about showing up to meet somebody
and it's like, you're the same person from that photo.
Come on, yeah, I wouldn't want that. That would be hurtful.
I wouldn't want I wouldn't want that myself. I don't
want to meet somebody that I lured them in by
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making myself look different. They're like, whoa, oh dude, how
much time did you spend editing that photo? But man,
you can I messed around with face tune a while
just to see what it was like. Then I don't
even have it anymore because I'm I'm not gonna spend
that much time. But man, just it takes so little
effort to like slim your face just so when you think, wow,
I look so much better with just that much effort.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
All right, here's the standard. And Katie cannot come in
on this because she's super pretty. Like the best non
retouched photo of you, because we all have them. Wow,
I look good in that pick. You know, that's as
high as you can go. That's as handsome or pretty
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or whatever a time.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
If all you're doing is bringing the photo up to
your best real photo, yes that's not bad as a standard.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you are exceeding the possibilities of a real photo
of yourself, then you're doing things in your mind that
are not healthy.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
If you change it to something you've never actually looked
that good, that that is a different category.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Unless again, you're trying to get laid, then anything goes Baby.
Here's a funny one.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I was disappointed that my Costco card expired because I
had a great picture on my Costco card.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's like one of my better pictures of me ever.
For so, I had a driver's license once, I looked
like an action star. Yes, my first driver's license was money.
It all came together. I had a really good beard.
At that point, I looked at like a guy out
of the movies. Who would you know? Is he turned
out to be you know, some sort of master criminal?
(25:38):
Oh so good?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You know you end up you know how if you
end up in the news, the media grabs like your
driver's license photo and that becomes the photo going everywhere.
I've thought about that before if something happened, and now
the current driver's license photo I have is just awful.
I wish I could get a change that would be
the picture of what I look like for any story
you want.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You want it to be your Costco card photo? Yes, yes,
if you have to.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
If something happens where I end up with the news,
good or bad, use my Costco card.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You let your Crossco card expire? Yeah? Somehow okay? So
why don't we go through a checklist of different Go ahead, Michael,
Did you have more criticism that is going to say,
you know, do you let your kids starve too? That? Yeah? Yeah,
a boy, that's what I was looking for. That's what
I was opening for, Michael. All right, So it throw
out scenarios and I'll rule whether they're okay. Now, for instance,
(26:31):
family picture, your kid has acne problems and is super
sensitive about it. Hmm, they're super sensitive about it.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's different the family picture like the one that's gonna
go on the wall in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Maybe a Christmas card. See, I'd be okay with it,
because that acne isn't forever.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You're going to grow up. And if they want that
picture up the way you know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Then it is strictly speaking, a disease ease. I realize
that makes it sound more serious than that, but it
can be very serious for people and the way they
feel about themselves.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Certainly for my own personal use the pictures my phone.
I've never altered my kids to make them look better ever,
not once.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
No, no, yeah, I want to know what they look like, right, yeah.
Me on the other hand, what do you want to
do with me ever using slimming software and other than
like for dating functions?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I never have for real, I don't think I ever would,
except for dating situations. But so you know, all of
this is there are lots of gray areas you're I
guess some men do this too, but women do it more.
I think you're wearing some sort of slimming garment. How's
that different if you're wearing a slimming garment under your
dress at the wedding, Isn't that How's that different than
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if you use the photoshop to slim yourself a little bit?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Why? Well, because it's it's possible in the real world.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So that's your standard again, is if you could get
yourself to look like that in the real world.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
You know, it's funny between the radio show and recording this,
I went and got some more ice water from the
kitchen and just everybody's getting ready and all right, let's
go do the podcast. I've been thinking hard about all
the things we've talked about today, and I've got to
form it all into a unified philosophy. And it's going
to be something like I'm a realistarian or something like that,
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because the only thing that's going to keep me from
becoming like an angry nihilist, because I think the artificial world,
a virtual world, is incredibly unhealthy and is drawing humanity
and individual people into just terrible psychological places and addictions
and self hatred and suicide and depression and anxiety. I
think it is so effing unhealthy. We have not scratched
(28:51):
the surface of it. But the only way I can
live in that world is if I have an alternative
that I'm focused on, and it's going to be something
about anything that departs from what is real more than
just a little bit I'm just gonna reject. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I wonder if that'll happen for anybody on the younger end, though,
Like Katie, you're younger, So wouldn't smartphones come out you're
a kid, probably when I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Was in high school graduating.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
If you're if you're a young person, especially women, but
if you if you've never lived in a world where
you couldn't easily manipulate your photos and make yourself a
better look there, how would you ever?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Not to answer your question, which I think is a
really interesting one, whether young people will you know, go
along with what I'm talking about or ever get a
chance to The answer is clearly yes, one hundred percent yes.
The question is how many I read something interesting the
other day, twenty somethings who have jettison TikTok and other
social media, and how happy they are. Now that's not
(29:51):
like seventy million in the United States, but it's thousands,
and just like you know, whether you want to cite
Christianity or healthy eating or regular exercise or whatever, just
because most people aren't is not a good reason to
stop advocating advocating for what's good and what's healthy. But
(30:13):
if I'm on the losing side again, that's fine. I
can live with that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I was just singing for young people altering their photos.
One they will have always had that in their lives.
And two you kind of always are on a dating
app when you're It seems to me from observing social
media for young people, your life is a dating app.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's an interesting point. Yeah, so good point. You're going
to be adjusting your phone.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I mean, how you couldn't have stopped me and like
if I hit we're in high school now, from altering
my photos to make myself look better?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Are you kidding? Not a chance.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You couldn't stop me with a gun from altering my
photos to make myself look better.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh wow, what if you had an uncle that had well,
he was a pirate and he had a peg leg?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Would you.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Pay no or put a different type of leg on there,
like herrot on his shoulder?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well, of course it's an odd scenario. Michael. What's your
pirate uncle's name? It's hard for me to go forward
without a name. Art. Oh god, oh boy, I'm really
sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Wow, brushing this out of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm really sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Shiver me timbers, you gave me scurvy without Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The Armstrong and Getty Show, Jack, your show, podcasts and
our hot legs can I say this, Well, of course
I can say this. A friend I work with. His
wife is an obstetrician. The stories she has heard amaze
(31:56):
and the tattoos she has seen, oh, including one woman.
I think I can tell his story. I'm sure you can.
Should I though, oh, man, not want to get him
in trust. So we're talking about tattoos on the U
who oh my god? Or in the you who will
(32:16):
region the sympathy pain I'm feeling right now.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Is sign you know, without the pain, just as a
lifestyle choice, right, and sometimes it's just in the suburbs,
but not in the city center.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But uh, can I say this? You know what? I
can't say it. I'm gonna make this up completely. This
is Joe Getty lying in creating fiction that is in
no way based on any truth ever spoken by anybody.
One gal who is well haunt in years had a
boxing glove to either side and the caption hit it
(32:57):
like a champ. Oh my god, it's like a champ.
So then you have to think as a dude or
a woman.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I guess if she's a lesbian, but your first you know,
you become intimate after months of dating and courting and
then of course marriage, you decide.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
To decide you love each other very much, You decide.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
To become intimate, and this is the first time you
become aware of your the love of your life. Uh,
having it to too, that's hit it like a champ.
And that tattoo is like a week old.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm gonna have questions. It's just reeks of class, you know. Yeah,
what do am I?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Hm?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How disturbed am I at that point? Am I thinking?
Maybe not? Or you're not who I thought you were?
Or and yes, Michael, do you bring a boxing bell
to bed? Ms? Get ready? Yeah? You do that whole
thing round? What was that a statement of of general
principle or was that like a specific message to a
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lover of her past? I would have questions. So, baby,
I can't help but notice you've I'm going out a
whole set it to two. That's my goal, regardless of
your signage.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Anyway, you didn't I don't tell me to do that, right,
right exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's extraneous motivation.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
This is reminding me that's my general practice, right, This.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Is reminding me of one of the funniest things.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So my mother got a tattoo for her fiftieth birthday
and it is a dolphin that is jumping over a shamrock.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And her big line was like.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, in fifteen years, it'll be an eel stuck in
a pine tree.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Wow. The comedy stylings of Katie's mom. She's fantastic. So
does this Where were we? So does this made up doc?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yes, find a way to I just need to check
my messages.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Real quick, and then you kind of lean your phone
this wing quick
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty The Armstrong and Getty Joe
Not live from studio, seeing we're taking a break for
a couple of weeks. You know why because twenty twenty
four was an exhausting year and we need to come
back fresh for twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So enjoy this carefully curated Armstrong and Getdy replay, and
while you're here, drop my Armstrong and Getty dot com.
Get a late gift perhaps for your favorite ay in
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to the Armstrong and Getty podcast Armstrong and Getty onto that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Either way, enjoy, Thanks for being here, Katie or or
anybody can answer this question. Do you know who Keith
Jarrett is?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I know the name, which is where I was about
a week ago.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Okay, so I Jarrett. I like all kinds of music
like there is on a song by song basis. There
is no genre I don't like really except for metal.
I just have never been able to get in any metal.
But other than that, every genre there are songs I
like and songs I don't what songs I like. And
so I'm like really into learning to play the piano
the last couple of years, and I watch a lot
(00:59):
of videos about piano and some guys I like, were
doing an all time greatest pianist's list the other day.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Who are the goats?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Are you familiar that people now refer to goats as plural?
It's a plural.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
No, no, no, that doesn't work at all. Sorry, you're wrong.
Apparently I'm wrong too. I've just become aware enough times.
Now you name goats. These three are the goats? The
greatest of all time?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, I don't get it, but that's the way people
refer to it. I get what, honestly, although that is silly,
you know, grammatically speaking, I much prefer that who's the
greatest guitar player? That's an idiotic question. So now you say, if.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You want to name a bunch of people are on
the very top tier. Great, that's what people mean when
they say go now. Anyway, So one of the goats
was this Keith Jarrett piano player who I had heard of,
but like I'd tried to listen to before and couldn't
get into. Maybe I just wasn't ready for it yet.
Sometimes that is the case with music, You're not ready
for it yet for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Fairly com is this, like, is this a new artist
or is this no? OK, he's still alive.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
He doesn't perform anymore because he had some strokes and
can't play the piano anymore, but he is considered among
jazz musicians like one of the top. Rick Bato, the
music producer, has got a YouTube video that millions of
people have watched an interview with Keith Jarrett and calls
him one of the great music composers of the last
century at least. I mean, he's just an absolute genius,
(02:28):
and a genius in the fact that most of his
famous albums are completely improvised.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That was his thing.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He walks into a stadium and the feel of the piano,
the crowd, the room, the day, he just makes it up,
you know, like four songs oh he plays and uh.
And he even says that like if he has an idea,
he discounts it. He doesn't want to have an idea
before he goes out there. He just wants to feel
at as he goes. And it's just okay, starting you
to hear some if that were me, So go ahead
(03:00):
and start the song, Michael, because I'm going to talk
about it over this And so one of the recommendations
I was looking up to some of the best Keith
Jarrett stuff, and one of the recommendations was this song.
It's from live Bordeaux concert Live. Most of his famous
stuff is live, like I said, all improvised. Crank it
up enough that we can hear. This is part one.
Where does the singing start? There's no singing, it's instrumental.
(03:23):
This is part three. There's just four parts. Like I said,
he's improvising it. So he just does four songs ranging
from four to fifteen minutes long, just however long he's
feeling it. Crowd goes wild. If the crowd reacts poorly,
he yells at them. He's very touchy artists sort of person.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, where do you get off? There a drum solo?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
There's no drum solo, and you good crank it up
because this is what's interesting. So I became obsessed with
this song on Sundays after the Grammy's. Interestingly enough, I
became aware of it and I listened to the whole
thing while I was walking the dog, and it hit
me in a way like I don't remember the last
time a song has hit me like this, And I
probably listened to it ten times that night, including in
(04:04):
bed with my headphones on while I was falling asleep,
maybe ten times.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The next day in the rain, I send it to
some people.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It's just a affected being so much in such a way.
Now I'm getting to the punchline that you're gonna find
quite hilarious. Oh boy, on this song affecting me so much.
It's like, man, this isn't really like even my sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I mean, it's just so and it gets slightly more complex.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, it's just very pretty sweet piano music.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's four minutes here, let me read this.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I started doing a little research on famous Keith
Jarrett albums, and this album has four and five stars
from all your big jazz magazines and top reviewers of
all time and that sort of stuff, and particularly this song.
Here's one of the reviews for this song from McSweeney's.
It's one of the most respected jazz critics of all time.
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A note for Divorced Dads on Keith Jarrett's Bordeaux Concert
Part three.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And I thought, what what.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
One would have a difficult time finding a musical composition
that better suits the emotions of a recently divorced dad
than Keith Jarrett's Bordeaux Concert, Part three.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
If I happened upon.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
A divorced dad driving around looking for coffee in his
twenty eighteen Ford f one fifty or something, I would
stop him and play.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It for him. It gives me goosebumps actually reading this.
This is free key.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, it's a guy who drove a twenty fifteen for
one fifty. The entirety of the piece is four minutes
and four seconds. I cannot think of a reason why
a recently divorced dad couldn't find that kind of time.
Once the divorce dad and I had an understanding, we
would venture into the composition. It begins with the stable
rolling chords that gently rooted the piece, drawing up imagery
(05:56):
of a young couple holding hands in a tall grass.
They're one entity zeygeide of relationship. And it goes on
and on like this through the whole relationship, falling in love,
being in love, deciding to have kids, having kids, it
becoming difficult, and falling apart, the divorce happening, you trying
to raise your kids on your own. At the end
(06:16):
of this song, and then he ends actually with now
go pick up your kid from karate practice.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now this is freaking me out.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Turn it out just a little bit, Michael, because nowhere
I think we're into the you realize you're divorced.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you're raising your kids on your own part. I
guess I don't know. Now did Keith Jarrett say any
of this or this is just the reviewer figuring quote
unquote figuring this out. This is one of the leanies.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
This is one of the most famous jazz reviewers of
all time. That's the way he interpreted this music and
me as a recently divorced dad laying in bed listening
to it ten times in a row because it touched
me in a way I can't remember music ever touching me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What the hell is that? That is weird? Well, it
is weird. Holy smuff, I know, isn't that strange? Well, hey,
you got anything for angsty empty nesters? I'd like to
play golf? Yeah? Yeah, Wow, Wow, what a trip. Isn't
(07:14):
that strange? Though? Yeah? I mean, that's that's beyond strange.
That's uh does he Well, I guess he kind of
sort of explains why, but not no way that I
would find terribly compelling if I came across it anywhere
else in any other context. I think, well, wait a minute,
there are a lot of you know, trips people go
(07:36):
through in their lives that maybe start like super exciting, promising,
then get kind of rocky, and then you've just got
to make the most of it and move on. I mean,
there are a lot of things like that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But here we are, well, there are also a million
pieces of music that are kind of sweet but modeling.
But you know, whatever, the fact that this well known
jazz critic picks out one of the most respected jazz
pieces in history and as signs this particular meaning to it,
and then I, not knowing that it'd be one thing
(08:08):
if i'd read that first, but not knowing that at all,
get pulled into this song in a way I don't.
I don't remember the last time I've been pulled into
a song where I listened to it that many times
in a row, if ever, in my life.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's amazing how different music works.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
That's how you felt with that, and I felt like
I was on hold, waiting for a prescription from like CVS.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I agree in any other context I would have been
the same way, and I probably would have listened to
like a minute thought for me and gone to the
next song, and it makes me question my understanding of
you know, abstract art and stuff like that. When I
look at a piece of art in a walm thing,
she's my three year old could do that. That doesn't
mean anything because that music. See, I'm into that normally.
(08:52):
That kind of music.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, I agree with Hitler, it's it's a ruse, but
that kind of music.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I think it's just kind of meandering, and I understand
some people like it, but it's not really my bag.
The fact that it had such a specific the fact
that he even mentions a.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Es. Okay, so here's here's the deal. Obviously we're we're
sitting here, you know, rolling around in the wonder of it.
We need to know more about this this guru, this sage,
this omniscient McSweeney person. What the hell's going on there?
What sort of psychic witchery is this is that? Does
(09:32):
he have that ability with all songs in art?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That painting over there, If your cat just got hit
by a car, that's the perfect painting.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
As you're sitting there thinking of little Fluffy and admiring
the brushstrokes, that's just freaky. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Man, Well, let me want to go find all of
my favorite songs and read the reviews on it just
to see lines up.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
One would have a difficult time finding a musical composition
that better suits the emotions of a recently divorced dad
if I happened upon a divorce dad driving around looking
for coffee in his twenty eighteen Ford F one fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And you're a coffee addict.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, I have done that as a I was stopping
a year wrong the hack.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And he left out going to get McDonald's on the
way home.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, that's sure. That doesn't know anything.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's freaky man, laying in bed listening to it in
my headphones in the dark, moved by music in a
way maybe I never have been in my life weird.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Now. I've been trying to think if there's anything that's
been anything similar, any song or music similar to that,
And all I can come up with is is I
discovered an album several years after it was out by
a band from Indiana called Houndmouth, and the song is
my Cousin Greg, and the opening line is my cousin
Greg is a greedy son of a bitch. And I'm
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just I'm not sure what McSweeney would say about that.
I have no cousin Greg, who's a greedy son of
a bitch, so obviously it's not that close a fit.
That's freaky, So I don't know what I'm witching. You
got to look more into this McSweeney dude because he's
a witch or followed me around. Yeah, that'd be my guess.
(11:15):
Although he wrote this years ago, well right, that's weird, man,
I know. That's why I brought it to the podcast.
I just thought this is too effing freaky. Turning to
a new pole. Gen Z doesn't want to go out
to the bars and scream at each other over loud
(11:35):
music or fifty thousand other people. It seems like sometimes
having a conversation, they'd rather sit around at home and
have a drink or two with their friends.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Why did it take until gen Z to figure that out?
I don't know, and I don't want to like over.
I don't want to dominate the podcast because I'm a
team player. But I have never, even when I was
young and slightly hip and somewhat popular, I didn't want
(12:05):
to go to bars and yell at each other. You'll
need to crazy, You'll have to weigh in on this, Katie,
because but my experience is I was out at the
bars a lots of times. We're like at a quiet
kind of bar and everybody talking. I say, it's eleven o'clock.
We got to go over to the wehear and I think, why,
we're having a perfectly good time here. We can hear
each other, we're sitting. We're gonna go to some place
(12:27):
where we're like shuffled around shoulder to shoulders, screaming at
the top of our lungs, are not talking?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Why go ahead, Katie.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, no, I've I went through the phase of every
weekend at the bars and all of that, and I
did too for twenty two years. So it was for
twenty two years, but it was it was a solid
seven you know, and it got exhausting. Now when I
go out to the bars, it's more of that environment
where it's just chilling.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's very quiet, some music, but there's not a lot
of yelling. No, I never, never.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
When I was twenty years old, the drinking age was
eighteen when I went to college. When I was twenty
years old, I had no interest in going to the
big throbbing club and yelling at the person next to me.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Thank God for you refrain from saying big throbbing club
if you can. Yeah, I've just I've never had that
in me. This golf club where I play golf mostly
opened up a new bar and it's like quiet and
classy and set up for like conversation areas where four
to six people can sit and chat and have a
(13:31):
drink and all in and Judy and I went there
and we were like, oh my god, this is perfect.
And then we ran into some friends of ours who
really aren't great people, but the dude was like, oh
my god, did they waste that space?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I couldn't hate it off. Where are the TVs with
the play by play going and the energy? We want energy?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I want no energy, less energy. I bring no energy
and I want none thrust upon me. With restaurants, I
hope gen Z kills loud restaurants, you know whenever. It
was in the mid nineties that they decided to take
all the baffling out of the ceilings and have it
be open brick and pipes so you can get as
much sound reverberating as possible. So it's just deafeningly loud,
(14:15):
and every clink of every glass and fork and the
whole place echoes in your head?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Who wants that?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I guess where it's just acceptable to be obnoxiously loud
at the table, Like I remember when being in a restaurant.
You know, you had manners and you had to be
kind of quiet and polite, and then you've got tables
next to you just screaming and having a pull blown
party and it's normal now.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Well, speaking of being a team player, obviously we're a
group of at least somewhat grumpy, somewhat introverted people. But
some people obviously are energized by that. They like it.
It gives them more energy. As they say about extroverts
and introverts. Being around people energizes extroverts and it drains
(14:58):
the energy from introverts. And it must be that way
with like loud bars and restaurants and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, but are you arguing that the percentage of people
that are introverts as higher among Gen Z or do
they just wise up to why are we standing in
this super loud bar?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Interesting question? Good lord, I can't come close to answering it.
Here are the stats, let's see, bubba. The new survey
finds the two and three gen Z wine enthusiasts. So
this is people who'd rather drink wine for what that's
worth two out of three out for the comfort of
their homes. When it comes to drinking specifically home pull
of two thousand American adults between twenty one and twenty
(15:33):
six found those who enjoy wine, only twenty three percent
would choose to go to a bar, and only eighteen
percent would opt for drinking at some sort of live event.
For gen Z wine enthusiasts, having a glass as an
opportunity to be social as hanging out with friends tops
the list of activities they prefer to partake in while drinking.
But they'd really rather do it at home than out
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anywhere because the cost living so high for young people
and they're trying to save money. That was the other
thing because, especially because I was pretty poor when I
was young, is I could afford like a beer if
we went out, I could have a couple at home.
End of discussion.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, that wasn't the right kind of bar. I like
the more like the more like people in boots bars,
because that's where I could sidle up to a table
to girls and they wouldn't notice that I was drinking
all their picture beer because I couldn't afford.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
To buy beer.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That guy and well girls oftentimes get pictures of beer.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
They aren't gonna drink them. They're not really drinkers. They
just they needed to have it sitting there. It's kind
of a prop. I'll take care of that for you. Wow,
this is a rarity. The judges reporting a ten on resourcefulness,
a ten on creepiness, and a ten on alcoholism. It's
a rare triple ten, a perfect score. Jack Armstrong and
(16:55):
Joe arm Strong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
By the way, Katie, I really like your T shirt.
Yeah no, yeah, yeah. So we got to talking on
the radio show about the editing of photos just in general,
because so many people do it and it's so effortless.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now I don't have.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
The Google phone, but I was just reading so the
Wall Street Journal had an article, when is it okay
to alter the family photo? Who doesn't alter big family photos?
And and if you didn't before the but I mean,
like back in the old days when you'd go get
a professional photo done and everything like that, they were
altering them for you. They were all brightening them up
(17:38):
or list them or whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And some every every group photo I take, I make
sure everybody looks top notch, because I don't want to
hear it afterwards.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh yeah, why did you post that one? I look
bad in that one?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh, like, no, I went through. I made my best
effort to make all of you look good. So doing
what For instance, sometimes someone's will be closed, you can
open them. Somebody's not smiling when they usually would, you
can give them a smile.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
What app or phone are you using to do that?
Face tune? Face tune? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So the Google Pixel thing. You've probably seen the ads.
It looks fantastic. But they've got a thing called best
Take where you do a blast of photos and then
you can pick each individual face. This is the best
one from this one. This is the best one in
you know, in a group photo. That's which sounds like
was more or less what they did there at Kensington
(18:32):
Palace with the royal family. I'm surprised they don't have
more sophisticated software than they did well. According to their statement,
Prince Will, I don't even hardly know these people's names.
Prince Vine. Prince Will took the picture last week and
Kate edited, and then she edited. I guess like a
lot of wives probably do. If their husband takes a
(18:53):
bad photo.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't know. This whole thing is because there was
a big.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Conspiracy theory that she was dead after this abdominal surgery
she had because she hadn't been seen in the public,
and now they're trying to find any reason they can
to keep that conspiracy alive.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I e.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
They edited this photo and she's not really around or something.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's what I've been reading. Yeah, okay, that's that's That
doesn't explain all of the coverage, but certainly some of it.
Now I'm willing to concede that I may be an
outlier in this stuff. You know, to Katie's point, I
don't hang out with people who'd give a single crap.
I mean, unless they're like I take a picture and
(19:35):
in the background they're with their lover and their wife
doesn't know about it. They might be worried about that.
But you certainly, yeah, they'd ask me to. But I've
just I'm now, if we're talking about bringing out a
little contrast or something like that, a filter because it
was a little bright there or something, I mean, that's
(19:57):
just that's how you make decent looking for photographs. But
like slimming people and you know, give them a better
smile or white in their teeth and stuff like that.
I just it makes me uncomfortable. I feel like it's
divorcing reality from perception in a way that's unhealthy. Do
you ever do you ever slim people? Katie? No, No,
(20:18):
that's not that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
But I see your point, Joe, as you're drawing the
line basically at contrast and lighting.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, Joe's drawing very bright lines between good people and
bad people. So we got to figure out which end
of the line. We're all all this must.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Be what it's like to be in a hearing in Congress,
So we need to find out which side of Joe's
good people bad people line were on. So you're okay
with contrast and bright? We have a format? Okay, great?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But yes, are you okay with the You got a
bunch of photos and you put the smile on everybody's
best smile in the photo.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Are you okay with that or not? It seems ridiculous
to me, Although if each of those individual images existed,
just not at the same time, I will allow it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Like a fly lands on somebody's face and you make
a weird face trying to get the fly off, You're
just gonna.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Leave it like that for that guy, Or here's a question,
what have you gained by and what have you lost
by not including that image? I don't know. You are
serving the idea of always looking unrealistically beautiful or or great,
as opposed to capturing a moment where something really funny
hat well, speaking for.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Myself, it's hard for me to wrap my head around
this because I don't have the motivation because I don't
have any social media that I post pictures on, so
nobody ever sees them but me and other people in
my family. Sometimes me and the kids go through my phone.
But so I'm not posting these for any stuff. So
maybe I would be more motivated to if I posted
these where anybody would see them. But like I know
(21:52):
someone who who who clearly uses the thinning thing whenever
they post pictures, because I see them on a regular basis,
and I know that that's not what they look like, and.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
That one I that I wonder about, I just think
that's fundamentally unhealthy. To thine own self be true is
like my my guiding principle for everything in life, because
and it's not I'm not coming off as high handed.
I think I may be better than some people at
least at recognizing my weaknesses and realizing you are really
(22:27):
tempted to do that. That's one of the things you
really need to be careful about. And one of them is,
you know, self delusion or you know, how how would
I put this? And I'm more than willing to concede
that I'm I may be an outlier and a little
bit weird about this, and you live your own life.
I honestly don't care. I don't care enough about the
(22:47):
way you live your life to judge you unless you're
hurting other people. So don't take anything I say as
some sort of like Jack trying to frame it as
yours exactly. That's probably you know what, Honestly, that's probably
a better way to frame this discussion. It's more entertaining.
This is called Joe's the jerk. I just what are
you doing? Why are you doing that so people think
(23:11):
you're better looking than you are? Why for dating apps
if you're single and you're dating.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
If I was doing that, and I've never done online
dating and I'm never going to, but if I was,
got it be, I don't think I could stop myself
from just slightly slimming your face.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean, fly different questions. Posting pictures of guys who
aren't even me.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
That is a completely different question though, although at a
point though, you're really misleading people. I mean, because I
have heard people talk about showing up to meet somebody
and it's like, you're the same person from that photo.
Come on, yeah, I wouldn't want that. That would be hurtful.
I wouldn't want I wouldn't want that myself. I don't
want to meet somebody that I lured them in by
(23:58):
making myself look different. They're like, whoa, oh dude, how
much time did you spend editing that photo? But man,
you can I messed around with face tune a while
just to see what it was like. Then I don't
even have it anymore because I'm I'm not gonna spend
that much time. But man, just it takes so little
effort to like slim your face just so when you think, wow,
I look so much better with just that much effort.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
All right, here's the standard. And Katie cannot come in
on this because she's super pretty. Like the best non
retouched photo of you, because we all have them. Wow,
I look good in that pick. You know, that's as
high as you can go. That's as handsome or pretty
(24:40):
or whatever a time.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
If all you're doing is bringing the photo up to
your best real photo, yes that's not bad as a standard.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you are exceeding the possibilities of a real photo
of yourself, then you're doing things in your mind that
are not healthy.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
If you change it to something you've never actually looked
that good, that that is a different category.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Unless again, you're trying to get laid, then anything goes Baby.
Here's a funny one.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I was disappointed that my Costco card expired because I
had a great picture on my Costco card.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's like one of my better pictures of me ever.
For so, I had a driver's license once, I looked
like an action star. Yes, my first driver's license was money.
It all came together. I had a really good beard.
At that point, I looked at like a guy out
of the movies. Who would you know? Is he turned
out to be you know, some sort of master criminal?
(25:38):
Oh so good?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You know you end up you know how if you
end up in the news, the media grabs like your
driver's license photo and that becomes the photo going everywhere.
I've thought about that before if something happened, and now
the current driver's license photo I have is just awful.
I wish I could get a change that would be
the picture of what I look like for any story
you want.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You want it to be your Costco card photo? Yes, yes,
if you have to.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
If something happens where I end up with the news,
good or bad, use my Costco card.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You let your Crossco card expire? Yeah? Somehow okay? So
why don't we go through a checklist of different Go ahead, Michael,
Did you have more criticism that is going to say,
you know, do you let your kids starve too? That? Yeah? Yeah,
a boy, that's what I was looking for. That's what
I was opening for, Michael. All right, So it throw
out scenarios and I'll rule whether they're okay. Now, for instance,
(26:31):
family picture, your kid has acne problems and is super
sensitive about it. Hmm, they're super sensitive about it.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's different the family picture like the one that's gonna
go on the wall in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Maybe a Christmas card. See, I'd be okay with it,
because that acne isn't forever.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You're going to grow up. And if they want that
picture up the way you know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Then it is strictly speaking, a disease ease. I realize
that makes it sound more serious than that, but it
can be very serious for people and the way they
feel about themselves.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Certainly for my own personal use the pictures my phone.
I've never altered my kids to make them look better ever,
not once.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
No, no, yeah, I want to know what they look like, right, yeah.
Me on the other hand, what do you want to
do with me ever using slimming software and other than
like for dating functions?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I never have for real, I don't think I ever would,
except for dating situations. But so you know, all of
this is there are lots of gray areas you're I
guess some men do this too, but women do it more.
I think you're wearing some sort of slimming garment. How's
that different if you're wearing a slimming garment under your
dress at the wedding, Isn't that How's that different than
(27:51):
if you use the photoshop to slim yourself a little bit?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Why? Well, because it's it's possible in the real world.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So that's your standard again, is if you could get
yourself to look like that in the real world.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
You know, it's funny between the radio show and recording this,
I went and got some more ice water from the
kitchen and just everybody's getting ready and all right, let's
go do the podcast. I've been thinking hard about all
the things we've talked about today, and I've got to
form it all into a unified philosophy. And it's going
to be something like I'm a realistarian or something like that,
(28:28):
because the only thing that's going to keep me from
becoming like an angry nihilist, because I think the artificial world,
a virtual world, is incredibly unhealthy and is drawing humanity
and individual people into just terrible psychological places and addictions
and self hatred and suicide and depression and anxiety. I
think it is so effing unhealthy. We have not scratched
(28:51):
the surface of it. But the only way I can
live in that world is if I have an alternative
that I'm focused on, and it's going to be something
about anything that departs from what is real more than
just a little bit I'm just gonna reject. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I wonder if that'll happen for anybody on the younger end, though,
Like Katie, you're younger, So wouldn't smartphones come out you're
a kid, probably when I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Was in high school graduating.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
If you're if you're a young person, especially women, but
if you if you've never lived in a world where
you couldn't easily manipulate your photos and make yourself a
better look there, how would you ever?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Not to answer your question, which I think is a
really interesting one, whether young people will you know, go
along with what I'm talking about or ever get a
chance to The answer is clearly yes, one hundred percent yes.
The question is how many I read something interesting the
other day, twenty somethings who have jettison TikTok and other
social media, and how happy they are. Now that's not
(29:51):
like seventy million in the United States, but it's thousands,
and just like you know, whether you want to cite
Christianity or healthy eating or regular exercise or whatever, just
because most people aren't is not a good reason to
stop advocating advocating for what's good and what's healthy. But
(30:13):
if I'm on the losing side again, that's fine. I
can live with that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I was just singing for young people altering their photos.
One they will have always had that in their lives.
And two you kind of always are on a dating
app when you're It seems to me from observing social
media for young people, your life is a dating app.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's an interesting point. Yeah, so good point. You're going
to be adjusting your phone.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I mean, how you couldn't have stopped me and like
if I hit we're in high school now, from altering
my photos to make myself look better?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Are you kidding? Not a chance.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You couldn't stop me with a gun from altering my
photos to make myself look better.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh wow, what if you had an uncle that had well,
he was a pirate and he had a peg leg?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Would you.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Pay no or put a different type of leg on there,
like herrot on his shoulder?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well, of course it's an odd scenario. Michael. What's your
pirate uncle's name? It's hard for me to go forward
without a name. Art. Oh god, oh boy, I'm really
sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Wow, brushing this out of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm really sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Shiver me timbers, you gave me scurvy without Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The Armstrong and Getty Show, Jack, your show, podcasts and
our hot legs can I say this, Well, of course
I can say this. A friend I work with. His
wife is an obstetrician. The stories she has heard amaze
(31:56):
and the tattoos she has seen, oh, including one woman.
I think I can tell his story. I'm sure you can.
Should I though, oh, man, not want to get him
in trust. So we're talking about tattoos on the U
who oh my god? Or in the you who will
(32:16):
region the sympathy pain I'm feeling right now.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Is sign you know, without the pain, just as a
lifestyle choice, right, and sometimes it's just in the suburbs,
but not in the city center.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But uh, can I say this? You know what? I
can't say it. I'm gonna make this up completely. This
is Joe Getty lying in creating fiction that is in
no way based on any truth ever spoken by anybody.
One gal who is well haunt in years had a
boxing glove to either side and the caption hit it
(32:57):
like a champ. Oh my god, it's like a champ.
So then you have to think as a dude or
a woman.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I guess if she's a lesbian, but your first you know,
you become intimate after months of dating and courting and
then of course marriage, you decide.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
To decide you love each other very much, You decide.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
To become intimate, and this is the first time you
become aware of your the love of your life. Uh,
having it to too, that's hit it like a champ.
And that tattoo is like a week old.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm gonna have questions. It's just reeks of class, you know. Yeah,
what do am I?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Hm?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How disturbed am I at that point? Am I thinking?
Maybe not? Or you're not who I thought you were?
Or and yes, Michael, do you bring a boxing bell
to bed? Ms? Get ready? Yeah? You do that whole
thing round? What was that a statement of of general
principle or was that like a specific message to a
(34:06):
lover of her past? I would have questions. So, baby,
I can't help but notice you've I'm going out a
whole set it to two. That's my goal, regardless of
your signage.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Anyway, you didn't I don't tell me to do that, right,
right exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's extraneous motivation.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
This is reminding me that's my general practice, right, This.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Is reminding me of one of the funniest things.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So my mother got a tattoo for her fiftieth birthday
and it is a dolphin that is jumping over a shamrock.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And her big line was like.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, in fifteen years, it'll be an eel stuck in
a pine tree.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Wow. The comedy stylings of Katie's mom. She's fantastic. So
does this Where were we? So does this made up doc?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yes, find a way to I just need to check
my messages.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Real quick, and then you kind of lean your phone
this wing quick
Speaker 1 (35:07):
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