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October 10, 2024 13 mins

First, the Colorado Cake Baker wins again!  Next, Jack cryptically talks about subjecting himself to a medical procedure.  

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But Doc, it hurts when I do that. It's one
more thing. I'm strong and getty. One more thing. First,
I wanted to mention this.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
We ran out of time on the radio show to
get this news story on the Colorado cake baker one again.
Maybe you know his name, if you've been following this
story for the past dozen years, Jack Phillips. He's a
cake decorator in Lakewood, Colorado. You decide to do that,
you like to bake, and you're a little artistic, and

(00:33):
you think, you know, I'm not going to change the
world here, but it's what I like to do, and
I'll be happy with my own little niche in life.
And then you end up being the focus of Supreme
Court cases and that sort of thing for a dozen years.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
How annoying.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
We've spent an entire career poking the bear jabbing the
powerful courting controversy and this guy gets, you know, five
hundred times more attention because he didn't want to have
two dudes on the cake. Because he's a Christian. He
he's not down with.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
That, right, going back to twenty twelve, twelve years ago,
dozen years ago, he wouldn't bake a custom wedding cake
for a gay couple, and it became a thing, and
it went all the way up to the Supreme Court,
and finally, in twenty twenty eighteen, six years later, the
Supreme Court ruled narrowly for mister Phillips, finding that they
had acted with particular animus toward his faith. So anyway, Katie,

(01:35):
at the.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Time we referred to the cake as a gake, a gig.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
But he had to think at that time, finally, this
nightmare is over. As a guy who just wanted to
bake cakes and as a Christian, I don't want to
make your cake. And obviously the answer from people like
us was go get your kick baked something somewhere else.
Why are you gonna make such a big point out
of this, He doesn't want to make your cake. Plenty
of people, will you know, give him a bad Ye'll

(02:04):
preview if you want, and uh, but only pretending to
be offended and put upon. If I want to have
like a some sort of up with Israel cake, I
go to my local baker.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
He says, Hey, I'm Palestinian American. I'm kind of an
activist on you know, Israel's being too cruel to my people.
I'm gonna say, okay, I can respect that. Thanks anyway,
I'm not going to pretend that he's done me some
sort of horrific crime.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
A joke, Yes, kidny, this.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
From the Babylon be millions of gay people die of hunger.
Is one bakery in Colorado no longer forced to bake
them wedding cakes?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Right, So he thought he was out of the woods,
his long national nightmare was over. But no, an attorney,
of course it was an attorney called him. Didn't even
go into the store a couple of years ago to
request another custom cake. This one's celebrating a gender transition.
Were not same, Poor baker, I couldn't put into you know,

(03:06):
gay had gotten settled, gay marriage's law of the land, everybody,
poles had moved whatever. Now you gotta do gender transition.
So a lawyer calls you up in order to cake,
and you say, I'm not going to make a gender
transition cake, and boom, it becomes a court case once again.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
You think they just remembered that this baker had gone
through this once before and said, hey, let's try this
guy again.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well, I think you know, why did they choose the
same guy just because they.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Knew he would re publicity.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, Phillips declined again on religious free exercise grounds. The
attorney sued. This is the lawsuit that the Colorado Colorado
Supreme Court dismissed this week on grounds that it wasn't
filed correctly. So it was really a technicality. But at
least for now it is, he's out of the woods.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
I assume somebody's picking up his legal costs. God, I
hope so, I certainly hope.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
So I want that lawyer to be found, taken into custody,
perhaps bound, perhaps a force fed cake until he explodes.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And so what if they had won, what would their
big victory be? What's your story forcing.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Creative people to exercise their creativity for.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Any cause that you make them.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I mean, it's not It was always used as an example,
but it's not exactly like having to sit in the
back of the bus, or not allowed to stay in
the hotel because you're black, or a variety of other
things that you can you don't think of. It's not
the same thing. Go over there and get a cake
with somebody who doesn't care.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
And what bothers me is a free speech advocate of
First Amendment advocate is compelled speeches. Every bit is odious
as forbidden speech in its own way. And again, you
can't force me to write a song saying we should
exterminate the Jews.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
You can't make me do that. I find it abhorrent.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Now, maybe what this guy finds abhorrent is different than
what I find abhorrent. Nonetheless, I'm picturing one of those
icing piping things. You stick it down the guy's throat
and you just squeezing, squeeze and squeeze. I don't I
should be quiet.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Now, That's what I was thinking. If I'm forced to
make a cake, I make it taste like foot. That's
just the worst tasting cake you've ever had.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Joe's on punishing the lawyer. So you put a funnel
in his mouth with sprinkles. So many sprinkles, you're gonna
choke on these sprinkles. You on icing, you on custom izing.
Here you go. So that lawyer, who again called, wouldn't
even bother to go into the store because he knew
what he was gonna get out of it, wanted one

(05:57):
cake celebrating a gender transition, and also requested a second
cake depicting Satan smoking marijuana. Oh, come, on. They were
totally setting this up. Of course they were, which is
often the case. I mean, Plusy versus vierguson, Rosa Parks.
Those were all on purpose to get an outcome, to
get a court case, to finally get a sling on
these things.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
But this is but they were right. He's wrong, He's
completely wrong. Oh God, So there's that.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Got that out of the way, and then, uh, do
you know the joke, okatie, It's one of my favorite
old timey jokes. Doctor it hurts when I do this,
and the doctor says, then don't do that. Okay, fair,
it's an easy out.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Then you go home. It's classic.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I'm getting a I'm getting something done today that is
going to involve pain, and I'm I've been deciding to
I want to talk about it on the air or not.
It's one of your more funny things you can get done.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
You'll feel better if you do talk about it.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Are you finally transitioning?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Always, always, Michael's role is to say, sure, go ahead
and talk about it. I'm not going to for a
variety of reasons involving my personal life and kids, but
it'd be a funny procedure to talk about it's it's
a common procedure. It's it's it's it's it's ripe with
humor possibilities.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
You could you probably guess getting a third arm.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
You could probably guess, if you took like three guesses,
you would get I'm not letting I guess, because I'm
gonna you're you're gonna guess.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Fair.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
We'll respect it.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
We'll stick with breast implants.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, stick with that.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Anyway, it's going to involve pain and uh and some
pain management at least for a little while. And I
came across this. Almost ninety percent of health care providers
surveyed reported that their patients prefer to manage pain without
a prescribed opioid. Yeah, but that wasn't true. I don't
know however many years ago. Really, this is a testament

(07:52):
to just you know, the word getting out. This is
a bad idea. It's easy to get hooked. Don't do it.
So almost ninety percent of people say, I don't want
any opioids to deal with this pain.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, well, good good.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I'm glad to hear that, you know, speaking of pain,
and I I have hesitated to even talk about this
because I don't want it to sound like complaining or
some sort of request for sympathy. But I'm in pain
all the time, and it's sometimes it's pretty bad, but
I've learned to deal with it mentally. And I read
something who was it, Oh, somebody writing about chronic pain.

(08:25):
But there's counseling you can do to change your mindset
about it. And one of their principles is if you
were born today feeling like you feel, you would just think, Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
This is life. Now I'm going to go about my business.
And it works. It's not like you enjoy it or anything,
but it's, uh, it's interesting what you can get used to. Yeah,
I don't. I'm not afraid of it.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
There's no fear because one of the main components of
pain is fear, which is the reason it hurts me
to get a shot. Everybody every bit as much as
it hurts six year old. But the six year old
is terrified. Yeah, and I'm just thinking how soon is
this over?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
And then like if you get a procedure done, the
pain usually what's frightening about is like am I about
to rip this open or something right, as opposed to
if it's it's okay, it's just gonna be here, which
isn't pleasant. But I remember there's somebody I knew who
had I forget what their pain was, but that like
really bad, horrifying pain that they had, and they talked

(09:27):
about the psychological thing that they had learned of being
able to walk inside the pain like it was a
room and observe it from inside or something. Oh, I've
never heard that before, but they said it worked for him.
How I've never been able to I've never Luckily, I
don't have like I have zero pain, and I've never
had to apply that, oh, you're pain to others. So

(09:47):
there's suggestion. Yeah, I cause other people pain. I will
have pain starting at four fifteen this afternoon for a
couple of days. Here's my hint, and everybody'll know what
it is. But I'm not going to talk about it.
The pain management includes a bag of frozen peas.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Okay, so not under or not overrated.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Enough sense, but I'm not gonna talk about but yet.
So I need to get frozen piece. I don't have
any yet. I don't want to forget, because I'd be
a bad thing to forget. Don't forget, I've often wondered, though,
not you, because you have actual pain, but even for
like people that feel good like me. I'll bet though
I've gotten used to certain things that if I could,

(10:31):
like go back to being eighteen for a day, I.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Think, oh wow, I didn't realize how bad I felt.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, I have this fantasy of playing one round of
golf as a thirty five year old again, just to
get a time machine. I don't want to meet Jesus.
I don't want to have lunch with Abraham Lincoln. I
just want to play one round of golf as a
thirty five year old again.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Not even like a twenty five have lunch with Abraham Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm gonna hit the links as a young man instead.
Also the eating situation, to be younger and eat again.
We just eat whatever the.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Hell you want.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
What happens you already do? Jack? What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
But I pay the price of being not twenty years old.
I do eat whatever I want, but just.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
To eat and then you're fine. Here you're two minutes later,
you still feel great.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
I used to be an hour later, sit down and
eat a large pizza to myself, Oh yeah, crush that thing,
or do you know what?

Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know? The inevitable part of every guy's golf trip
is you go out for steaks, you know, three out
of four of them, that is what you do, or,
in the case of the one I'm going to do
next week, you cook him at home.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
But I used to be.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Able to hammer down a hunk of meat the size
of a house cat.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I mean it was. I enjoyed the last bite as
much as the first. Now I feel like a little lady.
I'll take the petit philet. Oh, go ahead and get
the New York strip, and I take half.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Of it home.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Do you get mocked by your friends? I don't know,
because they're old.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Who lady, Lady, Lady's like a very mockable thing. You
get the tiny little does your husband order steak?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean, come on, So I was rooming with another
guy in this last trip. I took it, and I
was putting a steak in the fridge in the hotel room.
I said, what percentage of the time do hotel room
fridge steaks actually get consumed? The next morning?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
He said zero? Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I forgot it was even in there, very sellable. There's
the forgetting. Then there's a realizing I don't have any
of you utensils necessary to eat a steak, even though
I've got this really great, expensive steak here. So sometimes
I have been in my hotel room holding the steak
in my hand like an apple eating holes.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's going to say, it's just.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Wasted forks at the end of your arms. They're called hands.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Oh that needs to be on a T shirt.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
That may be the greatest saying ever. Katie, Well, I
guess that's it.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
That's pretty funny, ah,
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