June 25, 2024 • 9 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No, I'm not going to actually help you. That's not
why I'm here. It's one more thing. I'm one more thing.
I'm liking the sound of this. I Joe Getty, bitter
middle aged man, frequently rail about Everything's got to have
a clever name these days.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Right. On the other hand, I came across the next concept.
I believe you're doing a staycation right exactly. Yeah, that
sort of thing. I wish I had a list of
those annoying, annoying terms in front of me that they
come up every day. I'd never run into the concept
of a personality higher before the Wall Street Journal was
(00:43):
writing about this.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Have you ever heard this term, katie just out of curiosity? No,
as you are, I have not, younger and hipper. So
as the journal describes it, if you get further on
charm than skill, and you carry a workload light enough
to float atop your bubble lead demeanor, then you might
be a personality hire. And this has actually become a thing. Charismatic, friendly,
(01:09):
likable employees who might not be that great at their
job or even work that hard, but employers are so
desperate for any sort of joy and camaraderie in the workplace.
They're hiring these people, they call them personality hires.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Wow, so that's how I got hired exactly mimiter personality
Me too, Michael. So I'm thinking of somebody right now.
I won't say their name. They're out there in the newsroom.
I could see hiring them because of their personality, because
they just make the whole room better. Everybody's happier when
(01:45):
they're around. I can tell just because of their personality. Well,
here are a couple of facts. In this case, they're
also competent, but I would I would like I would
have hired this person if they were not quite as
competent as person X, just because their personality the kind
of place that's gonna make the place more lively and happy.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Sure. Yeah, well here they quote. They start off the
article quoting this one gal who's definitely not a personality higher.
She's a very matter of fact person, just gets crapped done.
But she says, oh, some people actually proudly advertise themselves
as personal personality hires on LinkedIn. By the way. Interesting,
So they quote this gal who's not that and finds
(02:25):
it very annoying and described.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now you're like me, kind we kinda bitterly are resentful
against people who are like that because we're not and
they're advertising it. Though that's what I'm like.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I wouldn't want to advertise, Hey, I'm not very good
at my job, but I'm funny.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Oh you leave that first part unsad, right, But she
cites she worked with a personal personality hire in a
previous job. Though fun to be around, the person eventually
generated resentment, didn't really pull her load, and after winning
a promotion, prompted several coworkers to quit. There's just too much.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well I would I I would think if they're not
good at their job, that's not enough to overcome it.
But I'd never thought about this before. I could see
hiring somebody, you know, if you're going to weigh them
on a bunch of different things. Man lump in the
hole brings the room up as opposed to down, So
bosses want the warm and fuzzies is The mood at
(03:23):
work is generally sour.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
One third of US employees say they're engaged in their jobs,
only a third near an all time low. Half of
workers say they feel a lot of stress, half are
interested in new jobs are actively applying With so many lonely,
unhappy charges. Bosses are desperate for good workplace energy. They
say camaraderie is hard to build on hybrid schedules, so
they prize upbeat employees whose energy is hopefully infectious. Then
(03:47):
they quote a bunch of people and recruiters from various
industries and saying, yeah, we really, we really need more people.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh, it's clearly true. I haven't had a job I
don't like in a long long time. But when I
worked jobs that I didn't like, oh, there were certain
people that made it bearable, and when they weren't there,
it was awful.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Right or if they quit everybody who's like, I can't
do this, right.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I wonder if they're hiring these people to make it
more appealing to come back into the office too, like
after COVID, that's.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Got to be a fact or sure, yeah, so but anyway,
this there's this comedian gal who has done a couple
of bits about being a personality higher that I think
are brilliant and illustrating what it is all about. Her
name is Vienna Aila and it's clip fifteen. Michael, my guy, La,
(04:39):
you look gorgeous. How are you?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'm very stressed out.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We have the big presentation today.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And Hi, thank Dereline and I have worked on this
project NonStop.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean like it's our baby.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Been up all night about it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, shoot, what's the project about today? I have no idea?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Do you guys think we need to get an extension? Yeah?
We can't call Greg. He's so scared.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So Greg is our CEO.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'll call Greg, of.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Course, are you sure y? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, yeah, let's call Greg. Greg is so terrifying. Greggy,
Hey you where are you? How are your kids?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Starts doing school production. Annie love, she's playing Annie.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh Greg, that's so amazing. Hold on one, said Greg
when I asked me presentation.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, Greg, you know I've been sen here and talking
Annie with you all day.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
But Greg, I have to ask you something.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
We're gonna need a couple of days, Greg, take a week.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh yeah, it's such a place.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Next week I want to come to Annie, back to
the important stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'll come me through right now. Let's freaking eat a
free ocean talk Annie.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
My guy.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I'll be right back. Thank you, Thank you, Greg. I'm
coming to you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And then there's another bit where they have the permit
revoked for an event at the last minute, and they're like,
oh my god, the only way we could deal with
this is to like have the mayor on our side.
She says, the mayor. The mayor's in my ass in
EBS class. I'll call her right now. She comes, Hello, girl,
what's going on? Oh my god, you don't need that class.
(06:10):
Your ass is amazing anyway, and she gets the permit reinstated.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
The ass she's just.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
A schmoozer and a networker and that sort of super
uppy person doesn't but and it's harder to tell without
the visuals in that first video, but she doesn't know
anything about the project. Then she gets the on the
call with Greggy and says, what am I asking for
again to our coworkers? An extension? Oh right, right, she
goes into that. So it's a parody obviously, But that's
(06:39):
what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I've never I don't think enough attention is paid to
like chemistry in a group of people for work. I don't.
I don't think most bosses ever even think about it.
They should. And now in the modern world of boy that,
like they said, the hybrid working in zoom, I'm not
sure any of that translates to zoom, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know. I meant to talk about this on the show.
Maybe I will. But I was talking to my son,
who's just about to turn thirty, and he was talking
about and he's been a performer of various sorts for
a very long time. He's a musician and a gifted
actor who decided not to act. That's fine, but he said,
(07:24):
coming out of COVID, the very thought of performing just
seemed enormous and terrifying and overwhelming. Just so, and it's
worth mentioning he lived. He lives in Oregon, which is
so cultish in its or was in its adherence to
every COVID policy, and as a show of hating Trump,
(07:46):
they wouldn't let their children play with other children for
a year and a half. And it's just devastating to
so many people of so many ages, even people in
their twenties. It's horrible anyway, speaking of people who have
difficulty communicating and communing and looking people in the eye
and the rest of it, Man COVIDU Deco declan. My
(08:08):
son said to me, he said, I know a lot
of people who are really damaged by it, and they're
not healing very quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Was it was it just the act of having to
go out and perform again, or was were there people
that weren't going to the shows?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What made it so much more difficult post COVID, Well,
because everything was so locked down. You just you had
like your roommate and you would interact with maybe somebody
at work if you were allowed to work a little bit.
It was like living in solitary confinement in a prison.
Obviously not that bad, but I know a.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Couple of people who talk about that dark period where
they they didn't have any communication and they would uh,
you know, struggle to have any opportunity just to like
wave to another car far away, like all right, I
didn't live that way, so I.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Guarantee they lived in a blue state. There's a prominent
musician who thinks a wonderful songwriter, but he tweeted at
one point that he felt bad for his kids because
his kids hadn't had a plate aid or hugged another
child or whatever for a year. And I wanted to
fly to Portlandia where he resides, and punch him in
the stomach and just to wake him up and say
(09:20):
what are you doing? And all the dad about children
and being fine was out there, all of it, but
you had to virtue signal how much you despise Trump
by torturing yourself and your loved ones. And Declann lived
in the midst of that, and anyway, sorry to get
started on that stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
No, it's a reality a lot of people are dealing
with still, and that's why his.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Company needs a personality hire to just things up a
little bit full circle. Well, I guess that's it.
No, I'm not going to actually help you. That's not
why I'm here. It's one more thing. I'm one more thing.
I'm liking the sound of this. I Joe Getty, bitter
middle aged man, frequently rail about Everything's got to have
a clever name these days.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Right. On the other hand, I came across the next concept.
I believe you're doing a staycation right exactly. Yeah, that
sort of thing. I wish I had a list of
those annoying, annoying terms in front of me that they
come up every day. I'd never run into the concept
of a personality higher before the Wall Street Journal was
(00:43):
writing about this.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Have you ever heard this term, katie just out of curiosity? No,
as you are, I have not, younger and hipper. So
as the journal describes it, if you get further on
charm than skill, and you carry a workload light enough
to float atop your bubble lead demeanor, then you might
be a personality hire. And this has actually become a thing. Charismatic, friendly,
(01:09):
likable employees who might not be that great at their
job or even work that hard, but employers are so
desperate for any sort of joy and camaraderie in the workplace.
They're hiring these people, they call them personality hires.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Wow, so that's how I got hired exactly mimiter personality
Me too, Michael. So I'm thinking of somebody right now.
I won't say their name. They're out there in the newsroom.
I could see hiring them because of their personality, because
they just make the whole room better. Everybody's happier when
(01:45):
they're around. I can tell just because of their personality. Well,
here are a couple of facts. In this case, they're
also competent, but I would I would like I would
have hired this person if they were not quite as
competent as person X, just because their personality the kind
of place that's gonna make the place more lively and happy.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Sure. Yeah, well here they quote. They start off the
article quoting this one gal who's definitely not a personality higher.
She's a very matter of fact person, just gets crapped done.
But she says, oh, some people actually proudly advertise themselves
as personal personality hires on LinkedIn. By the way. Interesting,
So they quote this gal who's not that and finds
(02:25):
it very annoying and described.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now you're like me, kind we kinda bitterly are resentful
against people who are like that because we're not and
they're advertising it. Though that's what I'm like.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I wouldn't want to advertise, Hey, I'm not very good
at my job, but I'm funny.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Oh you leave that first part unsad, right, But she
cites she worked with a personal personality hire in a
previous job. Though fun to be around, the person eventually
generated resentment, didn't really pull her load, and after winning
a promotion, prompted several coworkers to quit. There's just too much.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well I would I I would think if they're not
good at their job, that's not enough to overcome it.
But I'd never thought about this before. I could see
hiring somebody, you know, if you're going to weigh them
on a bunch of different things. Man lump in the
hole brings the room up as opposed to down, So
bosses want the warm and fuzzies is The mood at
(03:23):
work is generally sour.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
One third of US employees say they're engaged in their jobs,
only a third near an all time low. Half of
workers say they feel a lot of stress, half are
interested in new jobs are actively applying With so many lonely,
unhappy charges. Bosses are desperate for good workplace energy. They
say camaraderie is hard to build on hybrid schedules, so
they prize upbeat employees whose energy is hopefully infectious. Then
(03:47):
they quote a bunch of people and recruiters from various
industries and saying, yeah, we really, we really need more people.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh, it's clearly true. I haven't had a job I
don't like in a long long time. But when I
worked jobs that I didn't like, oh, there were certain
people that made it bearable, and when they weren't there,
it was awful.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Right or if they quit everybody who's like, I can't
do this, right.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I wonder if they're hiring these people to make it
more appealing to come back into the office too, like
after COVID, that's.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Got to be a fact or sure, yeah, so but anyway,
this there's this comedian gal who has done a couple
of bits about being a personality higher that I think
are brilliant and illustrating what it is all about. Her
name is Vienna Aila and it's clip fifteen. Michael, my guy, La,
(04:39):
you look gorgeous. How are you?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'm very stressed out.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We have the big presentation today.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And Hi, thank Dereline and I have worked on this
project NonStop.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean like it's our baby.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Been up all night about it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, shoot, what's the project about today? I have no idea?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Do you guys think we need to get an extension? Yeah?
We can't call Greg. He's so scared.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So Greg is our CEO.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'll call Greg, of.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Course, are you sure y? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, yeah, let's call Greg. Greg is so terrifying. Greggy,
Hey you where are you? How are your kids?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Starts doing school production. Annie love, she's playing Annie.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh Greg, that's so amazing. Hold on one, said Greg
when I asked me presentation.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, Greg, you know I've been sen here and talking
Annie with you all day.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
But Greg, I have to ask you something.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
We're gonna need a couple of days, Greg, take a week.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh yeah, it's such a place.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Next week I want to come to Annie, back to
the important stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'll come me through right now. Let's freaking eat a
free ocean talk Annie.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
My guy.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I'll be right back. Thank you, Thank you, Greg. I'm
coming to you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And then there's another bit where they have the permit
revoked for an event at the last minute, and they're like,
oh my god, the only way we could deal with
this is to like have the mayor on our side.
She says, the mayor. The mayor's in my ass in
EBS class. I'll call her right now. She comes, Hello, girl,
what's going on? Oh my god, you don't need that class.
(06:10):
Your ass is amazing anyway, and she gets the permit reinstated.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
The ass she's just.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
A schmoozer and a networker and that sort of super
uppy person doesn't but and it's harder to tell without
the visuals in that first video, but she doesn't know
anything about the project. Then she gets the on the
call with Greggy and says, what am I asking for
again to our coworkers? An extension? Oh right, right, she
goes into that. So it's a parody obviously, But that's
(06:39):
what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I've never I don't think enough attention is paid to
like chemistry in a group of people for work. I don't.
I don't think most bosses ever even think about it.
They should. And now in the modern world of boy that,
like they said, the hybrid working in zoom, I'm not
sure any of that translates to zoom, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know. I meant to talk about this on the show.
Maybe I will. But I was talking to my son,
who's just about to turn thirty, and he was talking
about and he's been a performer of various sorts for
a very long time. He's a musician and a gifted
actor who decided not to act. That's fine, but he said,
(07:24):
coming out of COVID, the very thought of performing just
seemed enormous and terrifying and overwhelming. Just so, and it's
worth mentioning he lived. He lives in Oregon, which is
so cultish in its or was in its adherence to
every COVID policy, and as a show of hating Trump,
(07:46):
they wouldn't let their children play with other children for
a year and a half. And it's just devastating to
so many people of so many ages, even people in
their twenties. It's horrible anyway, speaking of people who have
difficulty communicating and communing and looking people in the eye
and the rest of it, Man COVIDU Deco declan. My
(08:08):
son said to me, he said, I know a lot
of people who are really damaged by it, and they're
not healing very quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Was it was it just the act of having to
go out and perform again, or was were there people
that weren't going to the shows?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What made it so much more difficult post COVID, Well,
because everything was so locked down. You just you had
like your roommate and you would interact with maybe somebody
at work if you were allowed to work a little bit.
It was like living in solitary confinement in a prison.
Obviously not that bad, but I know a.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Couple of people who talk about that dark period where
they they didn't have any communication and they would uh,
you know, struggle to have any opportunity just to like
wave to another car far away, like all right, I
didn't live that way, so I.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Guarantee they lived in a blue state. There's a prominent
musician who thinks a wonderful songwriter, but he tweeted at
one point that he felt bad for his kids because
his kids hadn't had a plate aid or hugged another
child or whatever for a year. And I wanted to
fly to Portlandia where he resides, and punch him in
the stomach and just to wake him up and say
(09:20):
what are you doing? And all the dad about children
and being fine was out there, all of it, but
you had to virtue signal how much you despise Trump
by torturing yourself and your loved ones. And Declann lived
in the midst of that, and anyway, sorry to get
started on that stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
No, it's a reality a lot of people are dealing
with still, and that's why his.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Company needs a personality hire to just things up a
little bit full circle. Well, I guess that's it.
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