October 2, 2024 • 12 mins
The Hump Day bonus edition of The Armstrong & Getty One More Thing Podcast features a fascinating conversation about autogynephilia!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You really like them and you'd really like to have one.
That's okay if it's like a bike, but not if
it's female body parts. It's one more thing, what one.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Katie made the same face as me. This sounds disgusting.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You really like them and you'd really like to have one.
Is this a Jeff Dahmer sort of thing? No, Jack,
it's a transgender thing. What we used to call sex
changes back in the day when people spoke plainly, specifically
the idea of auto gaynophilia, which I've that's when I'm oh, boy,
(00:43):
this will be distant, folks. I can just tell the
look in his eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Here we go, touching myself with a tie tight around
my neck. Is that what that is? I'm kind of
hanging myself from the closet.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
No, that's something very very different. That would be automous. Yeah. Anyway, So, yeah,
I'd read about this, but I got to admit I
had never dug into it very deeply. And we got
this fabulous email with a bunch of documentation from Alien Anonymous,
interesting theories on what's actually driving the boys to think
(01:15):
they need sex changes, the whole social contagion of girls
who are terrified by puberty and disgusting hardcore porn and
the rest of it just being afraid of womanhood and
wanting to become dudes. That's one phenomenon, but the boy
to girl transition is another thing.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I don't have any I don't have any sense of
how many like thirteen year old girl see porn internet porn.
But if you did, you could, I could easily see
how you'd come to the conclusion. I want no part
of that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, oh, absolutely true. Yeah, agreed. So this feels very
correct to me. Well, the girls are driven by social contagion,
the boys are not. They have a kink called auto
gynophilia in a lot of cases. I see this in
my sixteen year old. You don't know how to get
through to him that he doesn't actually have a woman's brain,
and operations won't fix him. Quote. So if you read through,
(02:09):
please don't demonize confused boys. Not all of them are
trying to knock down women's sports or overturn the system.
Many just don't understand what they're going through and they're
getting very bad advice from the internet. So this is
from an article from Substack entitled my AGP normalization Agenda.
If you're reading this, you know AGP auto gainophilia is
(02:30):
not a manifestation of girl brain that will drive the
host to suicide if not indulged. But it's also not
a dangerous perversion that leads to sexual abuse if ever
fully acknowledged, at least not in anyone with self control.
And it's not a cabal of sex perverts laughing as
they force governments to bend to their fetish of abusing
and erasing women. As long as these competing myths doke
(02:51):
it out, the house card stands ba ba ba, and
gender ideology continues to dominate and recruit anyone and everyone
vulnerable to it. But the truth is so much simpler.
It's an inconvenient self referential sexuality. It's essentially heterosexuality backfiring,
and it does not have to be enabled or glorified,
(03:12):
or feared or vilified. It's a fairly rare but well
known and identified sexual developmental kink that some males develop.
This is from what's going on with the boys. There
are males who are sexually and romantically drawn to the
idea of themselves as women. It is essentially inverted heterosexuality.
(03:34):
In the past, these men typically transitioned in middle age,
seemingly in accordance with the midlife crisis stage of life.
Until that point, they had mostly repressed their desire to
be women, living as typical straight men, often getting married
and having children, then ultimately giving into their deep dark
secret and transitioning. You've likely heard of autogidophilia, but it's
widely misunderstood. You don't to jump in or anything, or
(03:56):
should I plunge on? Okay? Fast forward to today in
the progressive we live in a culture that glorifies being
transgender or queer and asserts there is no greater villain
than the straight white men. Masculinity is ridiculed and gender
nonconformity is praised. You see what I'm getting at. There
is no incentive to repress anymore. Now. The incentive is
(04:17):
to embrace and to fuel those auto sexual impulses, even
for a young man who may be much closer to
just kind of straight in the normal way allo sexual
as opposed to auto sexual. It gets a little complicated
into psychology, but anyway more attracted to actual women than
(04:40):
the idea of the self as a woman, but who
feels socially awkward and intimidated by girls may lean into
auto gynophilic fantasies as an easier solution to meeting his
sexual needs. Remember, these boys are typically shy and autistic.
Unlike in the past, auto sexual impulses are no longer
an entirely solitary fantasy, but are fueled and ed by
(05:00):
larger cultural forces. Social media and porn are playing a
much greater role in enabling and sustaining their self directed
sexuality than would be possible without them. This is not
all a case for the social contagent theories is seen
in girls, because for the boys, social media and porn
did not create their auto gidophilia. It's merely another technology
that enables and encourages it. It does this in a
(05:23):
less obvious way as well, through the state of chronic
body dissociation of one who spends most of the life online.
How only are these teen boys and young men attached
to a fantasy of themselves in their head, but an
avatar of themselves they've created in the virtual world, neither
of which match their physical reality.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's also pretty well known as a guy who's read
a lot about internet porn because I got a couple
of teenage boys and the dangers that it is to
your brain and everything like that. The number of straight
men it turns into interested in being with dudes. It's
a very common thing.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Really, just yeah, watching it and getting interested or.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't exactly know, but there's something with the constant
stimulation in your brain that at some point apparently your
brain just mixes it all together. It's just all stimulating.
I'm as stimulated by that person as that person. It's
just all stimulating to me. And I've read a number
of guys talking about Oh yeah, I was fully convinced
(06:19):
I was into dudes, and then I got away from
internet port and I went back to be in the
heterosexual that I was, and like, I can't even believe
that even happened. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You got to be really careful about applying logical standards
or even moral standards sometimes to sexual response, because, for instance,
there are many women who have been raped and experienced
unmistakable signs of sexual arousal and it is and they're
ashamed of it, and they feel terrible about it because
(06:49):
it's a brutal, terrible crime. It's not a decision you make, no,
And I could see you know, if you're looking at
online porn and there's dudes.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Or both are or whatever hours a day and probably
for lots of young men.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right, and you'll find yourself aroused by that and think,
you know, maybe I am into that. I don't know,
but right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And then another thing on the whole, the masculine image,
and how we don't have that anymore. Who's the celebrity
that died yesterday. I don't remember his real name. He
was the dad in the TV show Good Times in
the seventies. He got a fair amount of attention John Amos,
John Amos. So you're too young for this, Katie. But
it was a big time hit sitcom in the seventies
with an all black family, and he was a man.
(07:31):
I mean, he was a man's man that ran that
family and was the breadwimmer, brett winner and the disciplinarian
and everything like that, the way men used to be
portrayed in TV when I was growing up. Now, any
dad in any sitcom is a week of feminine dumb
has no role in any decision making whatsoever. And I
(07:53):
mean there's some sort of.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Cartoonish, mocking version of masculinity.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So that has to play a role in what you
are comfortable with or not comfortable with, or preferred as to.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And I know I've said this on the radio show,
but I cannot tell you the amount of friends that
I've talked to are just randoms that have mentioned like
where did the men go?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah? I hear that from women all the time too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So on. One further note on this from Matt and Honolulu,
who recommended a book on the topic by Alice Dreger,
who is a real lefty but a scientist and an
actual scientist and despises militant queer theory in transgender activism
because it's none of it, None of it is data
(08:40):
driven or has any scientific backing. So and she writes
about he says, it's both hilarious and terrifying. The combination
of utterly crazy ideology combined with a militancy and zealousness
of its adherence that's so resolute it would make the
Imperial Japanese Army uncomfortable, which is pretty good sentence. Is
(09:00):
something to behold This topic, while difficult, is very important
in understanding while the typical transgender female to male person
went from either what we were describing earlier, an autogonophilia
case in middle age but typically it could also be
an extremely feminine gay man in the late twentieth century
(09:22):
to hulking heterosexual males who enjoy nothing more than slamming
a volleyball in a young girl's face in the present day.
These two groups need to be disambugated disambiguated. I knew
I was going to screw that up. Note to self
use the term disambiguated more often. In other words, seen
is two very different things. To stop the most egregious
(09:45):
excesses of radical queer theory.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, I hope this is like a phase something that's
going to phase out over time.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yes, it will, because it's utterly nuts. It's unsupportable by
anything scientific or logical.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Ye, it is.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It is a cult.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, the question is it will phase out. But will
we phase it out or will it be phased out
of us by a more aggressive society winning over because
we can't get our act together.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, it'll be over my cold dead cis gender heterosexual
body white? White? Oh yeah, yeah, very very white. But
the idea that look and this is so insidious. And
as we've said many times, these people wrote books. Their
names are on the cover. They describe precisely what they
wanted to do. Identify anybody who's the least bit uncomfortable
(10:42):
with their sexuality, their masculinity, their femininity, just anything, convince
them that they are part of the army to overcome
the oppression of Western society. Will recruit them. Meanwhile, we'll
get all the black folks, will convince them that the
system is against them. Blah blah blah. Meanwhile, we'll convince
everybody who's this, that or the other and convince them
(11:04):
that they need to overthrow Western society and will will
assemble an army of misfits that all are convinced that
Marxism is the brave new utopia. Again, this is not
some sort of fantasy I have. These people wrote.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Books women shouldn't have penises. You're here, it's decided, then.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm a hard yes on that principle you've expressed staunchly
in your camp. No, Pennis, you know, the father in
good times today would probably be looked at as toxic.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh yeah, absolutely toxic male.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And there he was raising JJ Walker and Michael Jackson's
little sister.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That's right. Worth pointing out that his wife, Florida or Flow,
was also very wise and sweet and played an important
role in the family in the way that a man
and a woman do. It was a really a beautiful show.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, it was closer to like what actual families are like. Yeah, well,
I guess that's it.
You really like them and you'd really like to have one.
That's okay if it's like a bike, but not if
it's female body parts. It's one more thing, what one.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Katie made the same face as me. This sounds disgusting.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You really like them and you'd really like to have one.
Is this a Jeff Dahmer sort of thing? No, Jack,
it's a transgender thing. What we used to call sex
changes back in the day when people spoke plainly, specifically
the idea of auto gaynophilia, which I've that's when I'm oh, boy,
(00:43):
this will be distant, folks. I can just tell the
look in his eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Here we go, touching myself with a tie tight around
my neck. Is that what that is? I'm kind of
hanging myself from the closet.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
No, that's something very very different. That would be automous. Yeah. Anyway, So, yeah,
I'd read about this, but I got to admit I
had never dug into it very deeply. And we got
this fabulous email with a bunch of documentation from Alien Anonymous,
interesting theories on what's actually driving the boys to think
(01:15):
they need sex changes, the whole social contagion of girls
who are terrified by puberty and disgusting hardcore porn and
the rest of it just being afraid of womanhood and
wanting to become dudes. That's one phenomenon, but the boy
to girl transition is another thing.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I don't have any I don't have any sense of
how many like thirteen year old girl see porn internet porn.
But if you did, you could, I could easily see
how you'd come to the conclusion. I want no part
of that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, oh, absolutely true. Yeah, agreed. So this feels very
correct to me. Well, the girls are driven by social contagion,
the boys are not. They have a kink called auto
gynophilia in a lot of cases. I see this in
my sixteen year old. You don't know how to get
through to him that he doesn't actually have a woman's brain,
and operations won't fix him. Quote. So if you read through,
(02:09):
please don't demonize confused boys. Not all of them are
trying to knock down women's sports or overturn the system.
Many just don't understand what they're going through and they're
getting very bad advice from the internet. So this is
from an article from Substack entitled my AGP normalization Agenda.
If you're reading this, you know AGP auto gainophilia is
(02:30):
not a manifestation of girl brain that will drive the
host to suicide if not indulged. But it's also not
a dangerous perversion that leads to sexual abuse if ever
fully acknowledged, at least not in anyone with self control.
And it's not a cabal of sex perverts laughing as
they force governments to bend to their fetish of abusing
and erasing women. As long as these competing myths doke
(02:51):
it out, the house card stands ba ba ba, and
gender ideology continues to dominate and recruit anyone and everyone
vulnerable to it. But the truth is so much simpler.
It's an inconvenient self referential sexuality. It's essentially heterosexuality backfiring,
and it does not have to be enabled or glorified,
(03:12):
or feared or vilified. It's a fairly rare but well
known and identified sexual developmental kink that some males develop.
This is from what's going on with the boys. There
are males who are sexually and romantically drawn to the
idea of themselves as women. It is essentially inverted heterosexuality.
(03:34):
In the past, these men typically transitioned in middle age,
seemingly in accordance with the midlife crisis stage of life.
Until that point, they had mostly repressed their desire to
be women, living as typical straight men, often getting married
and having children, then ultimately giving into their deep dark
secret and transitioning. You've likely heard of autogidophilia, but it's
widely misunderstood. You don't to jump in or anything, or
(03:56):
should I plunge on? Okay? Fast forward to today in
the progressive we live in a culture that glorifies being
transgender or queer and asserts there is no greater villain
than the straight white men. Masculinity is ridiculed and gender
nonconformity is praised. You see what I'm getting at. There
is no incentive to repress anymore. Now. The incentive is
(04:17):
to embrace and to fuel those auto sexual impulses, even
for a young man who may be much closer to
just kind of straight in the normal way allo sexual
as opposed to auto sexual. It gets a little complicated
into psychology, but anyway more attracted to actual women than
(04:40):
the idea of the self as a woman, but who
feels socially awkward and intimidated by girls may lean into
auto gynophilic fantasies as an easier solution to meeting his
sexual needs. Remember, these boys are typically shy and autistic.
Unlike in the past, auto sexual impulses are no longer
an entirely solitary fantasy, but are fueled and ed by
(05:00):
larger cultural forces. Social media and porn are playing a
much greater role in enabling and sustaining their self directed
sexuality than would be possible without them. This is not
all a case for the social contagent theories is seen
in girls, because for the boys, social media and porn
did not create their auto gidophilia. It's merely another technology
that enables and encourages it. It does this in a
(05:23):
less obvious way as well, through the state of chronic
body dissociation of one who spends most of the life online.
How only are these teen boys and young men attached
to a fantasy of themselves in their head, but an
avatar of themselves they've created in the virtual world, neither
of which match their physical reality.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's also pretty well known as a guy who's read
a lot about internet porn because I got a couple
of teenage boys and the dangers that it is to
your brain and everything like that. The number of straight
men it turns into interested in being with dudes. It's
a very common thing.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Really, just yeah, watching it and getting interested or.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't exactly know, but there's something with the constant
stimulation in your brain that at some point apparently your
brain just mixes it all together. It's just all stimulating.
I'm as stimulated by that person as that person. It's
just all stimulating to me. And I've read a number
of guys talking about Oh yeah, I was fully convinced
(06:19):
I was into dudes, and then I got away from
internet port and I went back to be in the
heterosexual that I was, and like, I can't even believe
that even happened. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You got to be really careful about applying logical standards
or even moral standards sometimes to sexual response, because, for instance,
there are many women who have been raped and experienced
unmistakable signs of sexual arousal and it is and they're
ashamed of it, and they feel terrible about it because
(06:49):
it's a brutal, terrible crime. It's not a decision you make, no,
And I could see you know, if you're looking at
online porn and there's dudes.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Or both are or whatever hours a day and probably
for lots of young men.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right, and you'll find yourself aroused by that and think,
you know, maybe I am into that. I don't know,
but right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And then another thing on the whole, the masculine image,
and how we don't have that anymore. Who's the celebrity
that died yesterday. I don't remember his real name. He
was the dad in the TV show Good Times in
the seventies. He got a fair amount of attention John Amos,
John Amos. So you're too young for this, Katie. But
it was a big time hit sitcom in the seventies
with an all black family, and he was a man.
(07:31):
I mean, he was a man's man that ran that
family and was the breadwimmer, brett winner and the disciplinarian
and everything like that, the way men used to be
portrayed in TV when I was growing up. Now, any
dad in any sitcom is a week of feminine dumb
has no role in any decision making whatsoever. And I
(07:53):
mean there's some sort of.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Cartoonish, mocking version of masculinity.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So that has to play a role in what you
are comfortable with or not comfortable with, or preferred as to.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And I know I've said this on the radio show,
but I cannot tell you the amount of friends that
I've talked to are just randoms that have mentioned like
where did the men go?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah? I hear that from women all the time too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So on. One further note on this from Matt and Honolulu,
who recommended a book on the topic by Alice Dreger,
who is a real lefty but a scientist and an
actual scientist and despises militant queer theory in transgender activism
because it's none of it, None of it is data
(08:40):
driven or has any scientific backing. So and she writes
about he says, it's both hilarious and terrifying. The combination
of utterly crazy ideology combined with a militancy and zealousness
of its adherence that's so resolute it would make the
Imperial Japanese Army uncomfortable, which is pretty good sentence. Is
(09:00):
something to behold This topic, while difficult, is very important
in understanding while the typical transgender female to male person
went from either what we were describing earlier, an autogonophilia
case in middle age but typically it could also be
an extremely feminine gay man in the late twentieth century
(09:22):
to hulking heterosexual males who enjoy nothing more than slamming
a volleyball in a young girl's face in the present day.
These two groups need to be disambugated disambiguated. I knew
I was going to screw that up. Note to self
use the term disambiguated more often. In other words, seen
is two very different things. To stop the most egregious
(09:45):
excesses of radical queer theory.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, I hope this is like a phase something that's
going to phase out over time.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yes, it will, because it's utterly nuts. It's unsupportable by
anything scientific or logical.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Ye, it is.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It is a cult.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, the question is it will phase out. But will
we phase it out or will it be phased out
of us by a more aggressive society winning over because
we can't get our act together.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, it'll be over my cold dead cis gender heterosexual
body white? White? Oh yeah, yeah, very very white. But
the idea that look and this is so insidious. And
as we've said many times, these people wrote books. Their
names are on the cover. They describe precisely what they
wanted to do. Identify anybody who's the least bit uncomfortable
(10:42):
with their sexuality, their masculinity, their femininity, just anything, convince
them that they are part of the army to overcome
the oppression of Western society. Will recruit them. Meanwhile, we'll
get all the black folks, will convince them that the
system is against them. Blah blah blah. Meanwhile, we'll convince
everybody who's this, that or the other and convince them
(11:04):
that they need to overthrow Western society and will will
assemble an army of misfits that all are convinced that
Marxism is the brave new utopia. Again, this is not
some sort of fantasy I have. These people wrote.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Books women shouldn't have penises. You're here, it's decided, then.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm a hard yes on that principle you've expressed staunchly
in your camp. No, Pennis, you know, the father in
good times today would probably be looked at as toxic.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh yeah, absolutely toxic male.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And there he was raising JJ Walker and Michael Jackson's
little sister.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That's right. Worth pointing out that his wife, Florida or Flow,
was also very wise and sweet and played an important
role in the family in the way that a man
and a woman do. It was a really a beautiful show.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, it was closer to like what actual families are like. Yeah, well,
I guess that's it.
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